From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Tue Jan 2 10:15:58 2001 Return-Path: Received: from kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.25]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id KAA10194 for ; Tue, 2 Jan 2001 10:15:58 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id KAA22593 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Tue, 2 Jan 2001 10:15:58 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id KAA22570 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Tue, 2 Jan 2001 10:15:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from ns1.clikka.com (ns1.clikka.com [147.123.42.42]) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with SMTP id KAA22481 for ; Tue, 2 Jan 2001 10:15:54 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 32297 invoked by uid 0); 2 Jan 2001 17:07:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO clikka) (192.168.0.199) by ns1.int.clikka.com with SMTP; 2 Jan 2001 17:07:06 -0000 Message-ID: <000501c074cf$9bf2b240$c700a8c0@com> From: "Miguel Beccari" To: References: <004101c074ca$b8cafb20$c700a8c0@com> <200101021441.JAA09580@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu> <004701c074cb$659635e0$c700a8c0@com> <200101021445.JAA09677@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu> Subject: Working over TCP Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2001 16:20:58 +0100 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 I have appletalk builded-in in my 2.2.18. I downloaded asun+netatalk, des.h and libdes.a. I compiled all with DES and PAM. No errors while compiling. I run /etc/rc.d script and voilą... netatalk is working fine...... but not over tcp! with ps ax I can see afpd running, I edited my afpd.conf in several ways.... but never with success :( Second question: Is it possible to force a user to a UID/GID ??? In samba I use force user = myUID force group = myGID umask = 0755 Best regards, MiGhi From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Tue Jan 2 10:58:13 2001 Return-Path: Received: from funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.27]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id KAA10762 for ; Tue, 2 Jan 2001 10:58:12 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id KAA27979 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Tue, 2 Jan 2001 10:58:06 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id KAA27941 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Tue, 2 Jan 2001 10:58:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from nh1.linuxchamps.com (h0000c550141c.ne.mediaone.net [24.91.122.146]) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id KAA27901 for ; Tue, 2 Jan 2001 10:58:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from 192.168.2.140 (d194.powervue.com [216.175.212.194]) by nh1.linuxchamps.com (8.11.0/8.11.0) with SMTP id f02Fw0026189 for ; Tue, 2 Jan 2001 10:58:00 -0500 Date: 02 Jan 2001 10:57:04 -0500 Message-ID: <-1233689475peter@linuxchamps.com> Sender: Peter Gutowski From: Peter Gutowski Subject: Re: Working over TCP To: X-Mailer: QuickMail Pro 2.0.4 (Mac) X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Reply-To: Peter Gutowski Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu id KAA10762 The problem is probably not afpd but rather, your nameserver. The name as it appears in the chooser must resolve to an IP address on the local network. But it's still a bit more complicated than that, and I believe that the hostname or domain name of the linux box has some influence here. (You can also use the "Server IP address..." button to enter either the hostname or I23.456.789.012) Netatalk builds file permissions from the directory as it is published. So (pre-) adjust those directories to your needs. Netatalk created files pickup the owner/group from the person logging in, so I guess if you need things to be different from what /etc/passwd says, then you should think of making the changes there. -- Peter Gutowski // tel.: (413) 587-3957 "When in company, put not your hands to any part of the body not usually discovered." --George Washington, _Rules for Civility and Decent Behavior_ On Tuesday, January 2, 2001, Miguel Beccari wrote: >I have appletalk builded-in in my 2.2.18. >I downloaded asun+netatalk, des.h and libdes.a. >I compiled all with DES and PAM. >No errors while compiling. >I run /etc/rc.d script and voilą... > >netatalk is working fine...... > >but not over tcp! > >with ps ax I can see afpd running, >I edited my afpd.conf in several ways.... but never with >success :( > >Second question: > >Is it possible to force a user to a UID/GID ??? > >In samba I use force user = myUID > force group = myGID > umask = 0755 From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Tue Jan 2 14:42:39 2001 Return-Path: Received: from easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.26]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id OAA15094 for ; Tue, 2 Jan 2001 14:42:38 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id OAA16983 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Tue, 2 Jan 2001 14:42:38 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id OAA16958 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Tue, 2 Jan 2001 14:42:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from jason04.u.washington.edu (jason04.u.washington.edu [140.142.8.53]) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id OAA16920 for ; Tue, 2 Jan 2001 14:42:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from homer03.u.washington.edu (cent@homer03.u.washington.edu [140.142.15.37]) by jason04.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW00.12) with ESMTP id LAA18198 for ; Tue, 2 Jan 2001 11:42:34 -0800 Received: from localhost (cent@localhost) by homer03.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW00.12) with ESMTP id LAA143036 for ; Tue, 2 Jan 2001 11:42:34 -0800 Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2001 11:42:34 -0800 (PST) From: R Cent To: netatalk mailing list Subject: Re: 100mbit Hub In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > When my server is connected to a 100mbit hub, I *can* login > to it from a Mac with Server IP from the Chooser, but > *cannot* login to it with AppleShare from the Chooser. > This problem occurs from several Macs running OS 8.6 or OS > 9.0. All is well when the server is connected to a 10mbit > hub. > > Our office will soon be upgraded from 10mbit to 100mbit > ethernet. In preparation for that day, I have bought an > Intel InBusiness 8-port 10/100 Fast Hub. My Linux server > has a 3Com 3C905B 10/100 NIC which lights up the 100mbit hub > LED. I have CAT-5 wiring. My server is running Mandrake > 7.0-2 Linux and netatalk from > netatalk-1.4.2+asun2.1.3-7.i386.rpm > > Any ideas? Good news: My 100mbit hub and server work with AppleTalk connections now. Restarting the Linux fileserver fixed whatever was the problem. _____________________________ Bob Cent University of Washington Box 357330 Seattle, WA 98195-7330 mailto: cent@u.washington.edu voice: 206.543.1433 fax: 206.685.0305 _____________________________ From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Tue Jan 2 22:27:25 2001 Return-Path: Received: from funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.27]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id WAA22819 for ; Tue, 2 Jan 2001 22:27:25 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id WAA11774 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Tue, 2 Jan 2001 22:27:18 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id WAA11767 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Tue, 2 Jan 2001 22:27:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from mailout2.nyroc.rr.com (mailout2-0.nyroc.rr.com [24.92.226.121]) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id WAA11748 for ; Tue, 2 Jan 2001 22:27:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from [24.25.140.169] (cm-24-25-140-169.nycap.rr.com [24.25.140.169]) by mailout2.nyroc.rr.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA08209; Tue, 2 Jan 2001 22:23:22 -0500 (EST) User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Tue, 02 Jan 2001 22:27:14 -0500 Subject: Re: Some Minor Troubles w/netatalk 1.5pre3 From: Tara Piorkowski To: andrew morgan CC: netatalk Admins Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit on 12/29/00 4:29 PM, andrew morgan at morgan@orst.edu wrote: > On Fri, 29 Dec 2000, Tara Piorkowski wrote: > >> 2. This is the one that's really bugging me -- it existed in >> netatalk-1.4b2+asun2.1.4pre39, too. Basically I cannot get anything to come >> up in the Chooser of my MacOS 8.6 client after the server started. I have >> left atalkd.conf empty. Upon starting atalkd, the following gets dumped to >> the logs... >> >> Dec 29 15:53:19 tarasrv atalkd: eth0: multicast may not work correctly. >> Dec 29 15:53:29 tarasrv atalkd[28812]: ready 0/0/0 >> Dec 29 15:53:29 tarasrv rc.atalk: atalkd startup succeeded >> Dec 29 15:53:29 tarasrv atalkd[28812]: zip_getnetinfo for eth0 >> Dec 29 15:53:39 tarasrv atalkd[28812]: zip_getnetinfo for eth0 >> Dec 29 15:53:49 tarasrv atalkd[28812]: zip_getnetinfo for eth0 >> Dec 29 15:53:59 tarasrv atalkd[28812]: config for no router >> >> As noted above, I'm using the TLAN driver, as detailed below... >> >> TLAN 1.3c: eth0 irq=15 io=2c20, Compaq Netelligent Integrated 10/100 TX UTP, >> Rev. 16 >> >> Assuming that the problem was related to multicast problems I checked Adrian >> Sun's README.ASUN, which talks about certain NICs having multicast problems, >> but didn't see a reference to this device. >> >> Question: Are there known problems between this device and netatalk? Are >> there workarounds? Am I doing something else wrong? >> >> I appreciate any help any of you can give me as I'd very much like to have >> this server finished and up and running. Thanks in advance. > > Does it work if you put the interface into promiscuous mode by running > '/sbin/ifconfig eth0 promisc'? > > Andy > Thanks for your response, Andy. Unfortunately, no, it didn't work for me. Here's the appropriate log snippets... Dec 8 00:26:15 tarasrv kernel: device eth0 entered promiscuous mode Dec 8 00:26:21 tarasrv atalkd[666]: restart (1.5) Dec 8 00:26:21 tarasrv atalkd: eth0: multicast may not work correctly. Dec 8 00:26:31 tarasrv atalkd[666]: ready 0/0/0 Dec 8 00:26:31 tarasrv rc.atalk: atalkd startup succeeded Dec 8 00:26:31 tarasrv atalkd[666]: zip_getnetinfo for eth0 Dec 8 00:26:41 tarasrv atalkd[666]: zip_getnetinfo for eth0 Dec 8 00:26:43 tarasrv rc.atalk: timelord startup succeeded Dec 8 00:26:43 tarasrv rc.atalk: afpd startup succeeded Dec 8 00:26:49 tarasrv timelord[677]: tarasrv:TimeLord started Dec 8 00:26:49 tarasrv afpd[686]: Okte Intranet Server:AFPServer@* started on 65280.132:130 (1.5) Dec 8 00:26:49 tarasrv afpd[686]: ASIP started on x.x.x.x:548(1) (1.5) Dec 8 00:26:49 tarasrv afpd[686]: uam: uams_randnum.so loaded Dec 8 00:26:49 tarasrv afpd[686]: uam: "2-Way Randnum exchange" available Dec 8 00:26:49 tarasrv afpd[686]: uam: "Randnum exchange" available Dec 8 00:26:51 tarasrv atalkd[666]: zip_getnetinfo for eth0 Dec 8 00:27:01 tarasrv atalkd[666]: config for no router Do you have any other thoughts that might help? - Tara -- Tara Piorkowski Network Administrator, vilaj.com From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Wed Jan 3 01:29:07 2001 Return-Path: Received: from funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.27]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id BAA25838 for ; Wed, 3 Jan 2001 01:29:07 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id BAA02056 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Wed, 3 Jan 2001 01:29:00 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id BAA02039 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Wed, 3 Jan 2001 01:28:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from bowman.scf.orst.edu (bowman.SCF.ORST.EDU [128.193.161.87]) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id BAA02019 for ; Wed, 3 Jan 2001 01:28:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (morgan@localhost) by bowman.scf.orst.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA03472; Tue, 2 Jan 2001 22:28:59 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: bowman.scf.orst.edu: morgan owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2001 22:28:59 -0800 (PST) From: andrew morgan X-Sender: To: Tara Piorkowski cc: netatalk Admins Subject: Re: Some Minor Troubles w/netatalk 1.5pre3 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 2 Jan 2001, Tara Piorkowski wrote: > on 12/29/00 4:29 PM, andrew morgan at morgan@orst.edu wrote: > > > On Fri, 29 Dec 2000, Tara Piorkowski wrote: > > > >> 2. This is the one that's really bugging me -- it existed in > >> netatalk-1.4b2+asun2.1.4pre39, too. Basically I cannot get anything to come > >> up in the Chooser of my MacOS 8.6 client after the server started. I have > >> left atalkd.conf empty. Upon starting atalkd, the following gets dumped to > >> the logs... > >> > >> Dec 29 15:53:19 tarasrv atalkd: eth0: multicast may not work correctly. > >> Dec 29 15:53:29 tarasrv atalkd[28812]: ready 0/0/0 > >> Dec 29 15:53:29 tarasrv rc.atalk: atalkd startup succeeded > >> Dec 29 15:53:29 tarasrv atalkd[28812]: zip_getnetinfo for eth0 > >> Dec 29 15:53:39 tarasrv atalkd[28812]: zip_getnetinfo for eth0 > >> Dec 29 15:53:49 tarasrv atalkd[28812]: zip_getnetinfo for eth0 > >> Dec 29 15:53:59 tarasrv atalkd[28812]: config for no router > >> > >> As noted above, I'm using the TLAN driver, as detailed below... > >> > >> TLAN 1.3c: eth0 irq=15 io=2c20, Compaq Netelligent Integrated 10/100 TX UTP, > >> Rev. 16 > >> > >> Assuming that the problem was related to multicast problems I checked Adrian > >> Sun's README.ASUN, which talks about certain NICs having multicast problems, > >> but didn't see a reference to this device. > >> > >> Question: Are there known problems between this device and netatalk? Are > >> there workarounds? Am I doing something else wrong? > >> > >> I appreciate any help any of you can give me as I'd very much like to have > >> this server finished and up and running. Thanks in advance. > > > > Does it work if you put the interface into promiscuous mode by running > > '/sbin/ifconfig eth0 promisc'? > > > > Andy > > > > Thanks for your response, Andy. Unfortunately, no, it didn't work for me. > Here's the appropriate log snippets... > > Dec 8 00:26:15 tarasrv kernel: device eth0 entered promiscuous mode > Dec 8 00:26:21 tarasrv atalkd[666]: restart (1.5) > Dec 8 00:26:21 tarasrv atalkd: eth0: multicast may not work correctly. > Dec 8 00:26:31 tarasrv atalkd[666]: ready 0/0/0 > Dec 8 00:26:31 tarasrv rc.atalk: atalkd startup succeeded > Dec 8 00:26:31 tarasrv atalkd[666]: zip_getnetinfo for eth0 > Dec 8 00:26:41 tarasrv atalkd[666]: zip_getnetinfo for eth0 > Dec 8 00:26:43 tarasrv rc.atalk: timelord startup succeeded > Dec 8 00:26:43 tarasrv rc.atalk: afpd startup succeeded > Dec 8 00:26:49 tarasrv timelord[677]: tarasrv:TimeLord started > Dec 8 00:26:49 tarasrv afpd[686]: Okte Intranet Server:AFPServer@* started > on 65280.132:130 (1.5) > Dec 8 00:26:49 tarasrv afpd[686]: ASIP started on x.x.x.x:548(1) (1.5) > Dec 8 00:26:49 tarasrv afpd[686]: uam: uams_randnum.so loaded > Dec 8 00:26:49 tarasrv afpd[686]: uam: "2-Way Randnum exchange" available > Dec 8 00:26:49 tarasrv afpd[686]: uam: "Randnum exchange" available > Dec 8 00:26:51 tarasrv atalkd[666]: zip_getnetinfo for eth0 > Dec 8 00:27:01 tarasrv atalkd[666]: config for no router > > Do you have any other thoughts that might help? Hmmm, I don't have any sure-fire ideas, but I have heard that appletalk is broken in some versions of the kernel. I haven't experienced this myself though. It is probably worth a try upgrading to the latest stable kernel (2.2.18). This may also give you an updated driver for your TLAN card. Andy From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Wed Jan 3 02:19:18 2001 Return-Path: Received: from kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.25]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id CAA26616 for ; Wed, 3 Jan 2001 02:19:18 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id CAA21328 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Wed, 3 Jan 2001 02:19:18 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id CAA21301 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Wed, 3 Jan 2001 02:19:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.nextra.at (at-vie-mail-02-2.nextra.at [195.170.70.100]) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id CAA21256 for ; Wed, 3 Jan 2001 02:19:16 -0500 (EST) From: johann.eisl@kfunigraz.ac.at Received: from pc-eisl (cust072-143.Salzburg.dyn-ip.nextra.at [195.170.72.143]) by mail.nextra.at (8.11.1/8.9.3/nextra) with ESMTP id f037JFR16932 for ; Wed, 3 Jan 2001 08:19:15 +0100 (MET) Message-Id: <200101030719.f037JFR16932@mail.nextra.at> X-nextra-mail02-rcpt: To: netatalk-admins@umich.edu Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2001 08:18:26 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: X-Confirm-Reading-To: johann.eisl@kfunigraz.ac.at X-pmrqc: 1 Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12a) subscribe From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Wed Jan 3 02:34:39 2001 Return-Path: Received: from kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.25]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id CAA26864 for ; Wed, 3 Jan 2001 02:34:39 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id CAA21270 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Wed, 3 Jan 2001 02:34:39 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id CAA21252 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Wed, 3 Jan 2001 02:34:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.nextra.at (at-vie-mail-02-2.nextra.at [195.170.70.100]) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id CAA21198 for ; Wed, 3 Jan 2001 02:34:37 -0500 (EST) From: johann.eisl@kfunigraz.ac.at Received: from pc-eisl (cust072-143.Salzburg.dyn-ip.nextra.at [195.170.72.143]) by mail.nextra.at (8.11.1/8.9.3/nextra) with ESMTP id f037YZR23382 for ; Wed, 3 Jan 2001 08:34:35 +0100 (MET) Message-Id: <200101030734.f037YZR23382@mail.nextra.at> X-nextra-mail02-rcpt: To: netatalk-admins@umich.edu Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2001 08:33:47 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: MacOS8.6 couldn't connect to Linux File-Server X-Confirm-Reading-To: johann.eisl@kfunigraz.ac.at X-pmrqc: 1 Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12a) Hi, I'm new with netatalk - so I have some problems to connect my two Macs to a Linux Fileserver. Linux: Distribution: SUSE 6.2, Kernel 2.2.10, netatalk: 1.4b2+asun2.1.3 Mac: 1 9600, 1 G3; MacOS 8.6 /etc/services ... rtmp 1/ddp nbp 2/ddp echo 4/ddp zip 6 ddp afpovertcp 548/tcp afpovertcp 548/udp With nbplkup I see a PC and a Fiery RIP which are connected via PCMACLAN in the Internet but no Mac. The same occurs with aecho. I can 'ping' the Macs from the Linux-Fileserver over TCP and 'ping' the Linux-Fileserver from the Macs. I can also login from the Macs to the Fileserver via 'telnet' without problems. When I try to connect the Macs to the Linux-Fileserver from the Chooser via TCP I get following message (in German): "Dieser File Server benutzt keine erkennbare Registrierung. Ueberpruefen Sie den Ordner "AppleShare" im Systemordner und versuchen Sie es erneut". In English I think this means: This File Server use no recognizeable registration. Check "AppleShare" in the system and try it again. (Please excuse the poor english). A tcpdump on the File Server at the time when I try to connect the Macs with the Linux File Server shows the following result: 13:36:52.864135 192.168.0.200.2051 > hei98.eisl.at.afpovertcp: S 1954860032:1954860032(0) win 60032 (DF) 13:36:52.864276 hei98.eisl.at.afpovertcp > 192.168.0.200.2051: S 2395527908:2395527908(0) ack 1954860033 win 32120 (DF) 13:36:52.865683 192.168.0.200.2051 > hei98.eisl.at.afpovertcp: P 1:17(16) ack 1 win 61320 (DF) 13:36:52.865828 hei98.eisl.at.afpovertcp > 192.168.0.200.2051: . ack 17 win 32120 (DF) 13:36:52.871276 hei98.eisl.at.afpovertcp > 192.168.0.200.2051: P 1:389(388) ack 17 win 32120 (DF) 13:36:52.872607 192.168.0.200.2051 > hei98.eisl.at.afpovertcp: F 17:17(0) ack 389 win 61320 (DF) 13:36:52.872683 hei98.eisl.at.afpovertcp > 192.168.0.200.2051: . ack 18 win 32120 (DF) 13:36:52.873918 hei98.eisl.at.afpovertcp > 192.168.0.200.2051: F 389:389(0) ack 18 win 32120 (DF) 13:36:52.874443 192.168.0.200.2051 > hei98.eisl.at.afpovertcp: . ack 390 win 61320 (DF) Thanks for help Hans Eisl From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Wed Jan 3 04:41:51 2001 Return-Path: Received: from kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.25]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id EAA28759 for ; Wed, 3 Jan 2001 04:41:51 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id EAA26414 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Wed, 3 Jan 2001 04:41:51 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id EAA26398 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Wed, 3 Jan 2001 04:41:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from yellow.csi.cam.ac.uk (yellow.csi.cam.ac.uk [131.111.8.67]) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id EAA26353 for ; Wed, 3 Jan 2001 04:41:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from ih207 (helo=localhost) by yellow.csi.cam.ac.uk with local-esmtp (Exim 3.16 #1) id 14DkQW-0002Vj-00 for netatalk-admins@umich.edu; Wed, 03 Jan 2001 09:41:48 +0000 Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2001 09:41:48 +0000 (GMT) From: Ian Hitchman X-Sender: ih207@yellow.csi.cam.ac.uk To: netatalk-admins@umich.edu Subject: DID conflict Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Happy new year to you all, Could anyone tell me if the "DID conflict" was ever resolved, or how I might fix this on my system. I am slowly going through the mail archive at the moment. RedHat 7.0 useing netatalk-1.4b2+asun2.1.4-0.i386.rpm and samba 2.0.7. Jan 2 15:55:15 ark afpd[18625]: WARNING: DID conflict for '[backup]' and 'images'. Are these the same file? All the best, Ian. From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Wed Jan 3 06:58:22 2001 Return-Path: Received: from funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.27]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id GAA00669 for ; Wed, 3 Jan 2001 06:58:21 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id GAA21627 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Wed, 3 Jan 2001 06:58:17 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id GAA21613 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Wed, 3 Jan 2001 06:58:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail0.dns-net.de (mail0.dns-net.de [212.91.230.131]) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id GAA21568 for ; Wed, 3 Jan 2001 06:58:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from vaio (really [62.224.212.125]) by mail0.dns-net.de via smail with smtp id (Debian Smail3.2.0.111) for ; Wed, 3 Jan 2001 12:56:10 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <009501c0757c$96b4ce00$4d01a8c0@lan.freitag.ch> Reply-To: "[sebastian]" From: "[sebastian]" To: Subject: messages Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2001 12:59:12 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 Disposition-Notification-To: "[sebastian]" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 is it possible to send messages via appletalk to a user on a mac like you can do it on a mac via filesharing? thnaks and a happy 2001, sebastian From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Wed Jan 3 08:02:55 2001 Return-Path: Received: from easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.26]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id IAA02277 for ; Wed, 3 Jan 2001 08:02:55 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id IAA25834 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Wed, 3 Jan 2001 08:02:54 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id IAA25813 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Wed, 3 Jan 2001 08:02:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from lx1.powervue.com (d195.powervue.com [216.175.212.195]) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id IAA25768 for ; Wed, 3 Jan 2001 08:02:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from 192.168.2.199 (host199.local.powervue.com [192.168.2.199]) by lx1.powervue.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id IAA32469 for ; Wed, 3 Jan 2001 08:01:03 -0500 Date: 03 Jan 2001 08:01:47 -0500 Message-ID: <> Sender: Peter Gutowski From: Peter Gutowski Subject: Display Notification: messages To: X-Mailer: QuickMail Pro 2.0.4 (Mac) X-Priority: 5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Disposition: Displayed Reply-To: Peter Gutowski Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-Ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu id IAA02277 This is a confirmation that the message has been displayed to the user. 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From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Wed Jan 3 17:43:59 2001 Return-Path: Received: from easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.26]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id RAA23453 for ; Wed, 3 Jan 2001 17:43:59 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id RAA17207 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Wed, 3 Jan 2001 17:43:58 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id RAA17187 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Wed, 3 Jan 2001 17:43:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from plato.arts.usyd.edu.au (plato.arts.usyd.edu.au [129.78.16.1]) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id RAA17014 for ; Wed, 3 Jan 2001 17:43:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from arts.usyd.edu.au (IDENT:matthew@whitestar.arts.usyd.edu.au [129.78.16.20]) by plato.arts.usyd.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA04192; Thu, 4 Jan 2001 09:43:34 +1100 (EST) Sender: matthew@plato.arts.usyd.edu.au Message-ID: <3A53AC00.4506E23F@arts.usyd.edu.au> Date: Thu, 04 Jan 2001 09:47:28 +1100 From: Matthew Geier Organization: Arts IT Unit, Sydney University X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.0-test7 i686) X-Accept-Language: en, pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Ian Hitchman CC: netatalk-admins@umich.edu Subject: Re: DID conflict References: Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/x-pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha1; boundary="------------ms795B56C44B5D6E8AE07B34B2" This is a cryptographically signed message in MIME format. --------------ms795B56C44B5D6E8AE07B34B2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Ian Hitchman wrote: > > Happy new year to you all, > > Could anyone tell me if the "DID conflict" was ever resolved, or how I > might fix this on my system. I am slowly going through the mail archive at > the moment. The fix is to turn off the DID Inode kludge and have broken directory aliases. I wonder if the Linux FS could be hacked so that it didn't reuse Inodes so fast, or even just cycled through the entire inode number space available and only re-used old ones when the number space filled. That would shunt the unique identifier back onto the FS layer, which appears to be what Apple did with OSX Server, it only supports file sharing on HFS volumes.... Of course hacking the VFS would only work on Linux or some other OpenSource OS you had the code to. Won't help on the other platforms. (PS I don't know this type of hack is possible let a lone desirable!) -- Matthew Geier matthew@arts.usyd.edu.au Arts IT Unit +61 2 9351 4713 Sydney University --------------ms795B56C44B5D6E8AE07B34B2 Content-Type: application/x-pkcs7-signature; name="smime.p7s" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="smime.p7s" Content-Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature MIIH4AYJKoZIhvcNAQcCoIIH0TCCB80CAQExCzAJBgUrDgMCGgUAMAsGCSqGSIb3DQEHAaCC BckwggKtMIICFqADAgECAgMC8UswDQYJKoZIhvcNAQEEBQAwgZQxCzAJBgNVBAYTAlpBMRUw EwYDVQQIEwxXZXN0ZXJuIENhcGUxFDASBgNVBAcTC0R1cmJhbnZpbGxlMQ8wDQYDVQQKEwZU aGF3dGUxHTAbBgNVBAsTFENlcnRpZmljYXRlIFNlcnZpY2VzMSgwJgYDVQQDEx9QZXJzb25h bCBGcmVlbWFpbCBSU0EgMTk5OS45LjE2MB4XDTAwMDcyMTAyNDAzNFoXDTAxMDcyMTAyNDAz NFowSjEfMB0GA1UEAxMWVGhhd3RlIEZyZWVtYWlsIE1lbWJlcjEnMCUGCSqGSIb3DQEJARYY bWF0dGhld0BhcnRzLnVzeWQuZWR1LmF1MIGfMA0GCSqGSIb3DQEBAQUAA4GNADCBiQKBgQDR gAKbBhCplgqyhkR0Ykn4XOW0Py1G40orbP+B2KkACTMx4GxhHNg2h3nPiNC/P/9BZETw6NA+ dp/mxtN7XHmvRounnCL+9pjG3yWpw/ONNEpObjRSfujGe/jJvUF2vrAfecI/J5DKQ0/5gZMv 5fqfl4spYSPl+9vc2hKG7uvjgQIDAQABo1YwVDAjBgNVHREEHDAagRhtYXR0aGV3QGFydHMu dXN5ZC5lZHUuYXUwDAYDVR0TAQH/BAIwADAfBgNVHSMEGDAWgBSIq/Fgg2ZV9ORYx0YdwGG9 I9fDjDANBgkqhkiG9w0BAQQFAAOBgQBjjvY9P9hSktFnCJrkQSTKjh9ZBG9a58a0Hi+GvmyD t9e29sRgxHN+Nwtsu2yUs8+xv1BemYzCnri+y91uJsfRTrm4+1oc/TV+lDGWqBud68wf4x29 /xaj1oQ2vWMy1Y64KZSWyxjt+vcU5/nyNF3DGz9XtXlxTI8dntzEWkyq/DCCAxQwggJ9oAMC AQICAQswDQYJKoZIhvcNAQEEBQAwgdExCzAJBgNVBAYTAlpBMRUwEwYDVQQIEwxXZXN0ZXJu IENhcGUxEjAQBgNVBAcTCUNhcGUgVG93bjEaMBgGA1UEChMRVGhhd3RlIENvbnN1bHRpbmcx KDAmBgNVBAsTH0NlcnRpZmljYXRpb24gU2VydmljZXMgRGl2aXNpb24xJDAiBgNVBAMTG1Ro YXd0ZSBQZXJzb25hbCBGcmVlbWFpbCBDQTErMCkGCSqGSIb3DQEJARYccGVyc29uYWwtZnJl ZW1haWxAdGhhd3RlLmNvbTAeFw05OTA5MTYxNDAxNDBaFw0wMTA5MTUxNDAxNDBaMIGUMQsw CQYDVQQGEwJaQTEVMBMGA1UECBMMV2VzdGVybiBDYXBlMRQwEgYDVQQHEwtEdXJiYW52aWxs ZTEPMA0GA1UEChMGVGhhd3RlMR0wGwYDVQQLExRDZXJ0aWZpY2F0ZSBTZXJ2aWNlczEoMCYG A1UEAxMfUGVyc29uYWwgRnJlZW1haWwgUlNBIDE5OTkuOS4xNjCBnzANBgkqhkiG9w0BAQEF AAOBjQAwgYkCgYEAs2lal9TQFgt6tcVd6SGcI3LNEkxL937Px/vKciT0QlKsV5Xje2F6F4Tn /XI5OJS06u1lp5IGXr3gZfYZu5R5dkw+uWhwdYQc9BF0ALwFLE8JAxcxzPRB1HLGpl3iiESw iy7ETfHw1oU+bPOVlHiRfkDpnNGNFVeOwnPlMN5G9U8CAwEAAaM3MDUwEgYDVR0TAQH/BAgw BgEB/wIBADAfBgNVHSMEGDAWgBRyScJzNMZV9At2coF+d/SH58ayDjANBgkqhkiG9w0BAQQF AAOBgQBrxlnpMfrptuyxA9jfcnL+kWBI6sZV3XvwZ47GYXDnbcKlN9idtxcoVgWL3Vx1b8aR kMZsZnET0BB8a5FvhuAhNi3B1+qyCa3PLW3Gg1Kb+7v+nIed/LfpdJLkXJeu/H6syg1vcnpn LGtz9Yb5nfUAbvQdB86dnoJjKe+TCX5V3jGCAd8wggHbAgEBMIGcMIGUMQswCQYDVQQGEwJa QTEVMBMGA1UECBMMV2VzdGVybiBDYXBlMRQwEgYDVQQHEwtEdXJiYW52aWxsZTEPMA0GA1UE ChMGVGhhd3RlMR0wGwYDVQQLExRDZXJ0aWZpY2F0ZSBTZXJ2aWNlczEoMCYGA1UEAxMfUGVy c29uYWwgRnJlZW1haWwgUlNBIDE5OTkuOS4xNgIDAvFLMAkGBSsOAwIaBQCggZkwGAYJKoZI hvcNAQkDMQsGCSqGSIb3DQEHATAcBgkqhkiG9w0BCQUxDxcNMDEwMTAzMjI0NzI5WjAjBgkq hkiG9w0BCQQxFgQUYsrj2djpNrBKmV1GqmjJQzKTdEEwOgYJKoZIhvcNAQkPMS0wKzAKBggq hkiG9w0DBzAOBggqhkiG9w0DAgICAIAwDQYIKoZIhvcNAwICAUAwDQYJKoZIhvcNAQEBBQAE gYBKK0KR+Bs7TlIlV4n2XBOmR3xDj+nsv7jpKDZaSibMcTbQ15zwF1adj8LcL2cYIKJtYm4K UQLmm/0rYTXADKqYO8GzE0wpHD+G29Kxectb5V4bNzYyU2S3D4A1xTaiblqsSayxM4evZG3S hzKpT4Fz9xl1FysO7veXss+Pulg7AQ== --------------ms795B56C44B5D6E8AE07B34B2-- From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Thu Jan 4 18:24:18 2001 Return-Path: Received: from funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.27]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id SAA22525 for ; Thu, 4 Jan 2001 18:24:18 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id SAA10323 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Thu, 4 Jan 2001 18:24:12 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id SAA10300 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Thu, 4 Jan 2001 18:24:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.iu13.k12.pa.us (mail.iu13.k12.pa.us [204.171.195.51]) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id SAA10263 for ; Thu, 4 Jan 2001 18:24:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from melange.iu13.k12.pa.us (melange.iu13.k12.pa.us [172.19.5.125]) by mail.iu13.k12.pa.us (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA02839 for ; Thu, 4 Jan 2001 13:24:00 -0500 Received: from myer (helo=localhost) by melange.iu13.k12.pa.us with local-esmtp (Exim 3.20 #1 (Debian)) id 14EJjk-0000Ew-00 for ; Thu, 04 Jan 2001 18:24:00 -0500 Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2001 18:24:00 -0500 (EST) From: "Kevin M. Myer" To: netatalk-admins@umich.edu Subject: Files not being locked when in use by more than one person Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: "Kevin M. Myer" Hi, Running netatalk-1.5pre3 on RedHat Linux 6.2, x86. We have encountered a problem that has already caused us some problems. User 1 opens an Excel spreadsheet and begins to work. User 2 opens the same Excel spreadsheet, does work, saves works and clobbers work done by User 1. With AppleShare IP, if the file was already open by User 1, then User 2 received an message that the file was in use and was read-only to them. Is this not implimented in someway in netatalk? If not, it seems there is a big potential for clobbering someone else's work and never knowing about it. Are there any known workarounds for this problem? Thanks, Kevin -- Kevin M. Myer Systems Administrator Lancaster-Lebanon Intermediate Unit 13 (717)-560-6140 From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Fri Jan 5 05:08:14 2001 Return-Path: Received: from funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.27]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id FAA06126 for ; Fri, 5 Jan 2001 05:08:09 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id FAA10743 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Fri, 5 Jan 2001 05:07:58 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id FAA10731 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Fri, 5 Jan 2001 05:07:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from ns1.ihonk.com ([216.237.145.12]) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id FAA10621 for ; Fri, 5 Jan 2001 05:07:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from [192.168.0.2] (cx428818-b.irvn1.occa.home.com [24.177.19.184]) by ns1.ihonk.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 0056B5F84D; Fri, 5 Jan 2001 02:07:56 -0800 (PST) Subject: Netatalk flubs data on text files, not others Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2001 02:08:08 -0800 x-sender: steve@mail.ihonk.com x-mailer: Claris Emailer 2.0v3, January 22, 1998 From: Steve Freitas To: "Netatalk" , "Netatalk-devel" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Message-Id: <20010105100757.0056B5F84D@ns1.ihonk.com> Sender: steve@mail.ihonk.com Hi, Sorry for the cross-post, but I don't know if this is an -admin or -devel question. I'm using 1.5pre3 on RH7. Here's the short version of a confusing situation. I have a file ("blah.iso") sitting on a Linux box running Netatalk with a Mac logged into it. I used the Linux box to download this file. 1. From the Linux box's CLI, it md5sums 'abcd'. 2. From the Mac, it md5sums 'wxyz'. 3. Uh oh. 4. 'mv blah.iso blah.tar.gz' 5. From the Linux box's CLI, it md5sums 'abcd'. 6. From the Mac, it md5sums 'abcd'. What the heck? First I wondered if crlf was enabled by default, but a few tests disproved this. I'm using very stock config files. AppleVolumes.default only contains ~. Here's another test. I took the same file, and made two copies: test1.txt and test2.tar.gz. On Linux they md5summed identically. I then copied both of them to the Mac. They md5summed differently, though test2.tar.gz's md5sum matched the Linux checksums. Any ideas? Steve Freitas From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Fri Jan 5 07:03:01 2001 Return-Path: Received: from easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.26]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id HAA08204 for ; Fri, 5 Jan 2001 07:03:01 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id HAA00589 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Fri, 5 Jan 2001 07:03:01 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id HAA00579 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Fri, 5 Jan 2001 07:03:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail0.dns-net.de (mail0.dns-net.de [212.91.230.131]) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id HAA00550 for ; Fri, 5 Jan 2001 07:02:59 -0500 (EST) From: seb@freitag.ch Received: from vaio (really [62.224.209.133]) by mail0.dns-net.de via smail with esmtp id (Debian Smail3.2.0.111) for ; Fri, 5 Jan 2001 13:00:31 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <002501c0770f$90aac7a0$4d01a8c0@lan.freitag.ch> Reply-To: To: Subject: shutting down at its own? Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2001 13:03:48 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 hi there again, happy new ywar to you all... something interesting again: running netatalk pre5 on mandrake for 5 days now and today the user are^nt able to see the server in chooser. task on the linux box is still active. restarting server and everything is fine... humm? bye, sebastian From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Fri Jan 5 10:18:51 2001 Return-Path: Received: from kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.25]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id KAA13063 for ; Fri, 5 Jan 2001 10:18:51 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id KAA12994 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Fri, 5 Jan 2001 10:18:51 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id KAA12953 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Fri, 5 Jan 2001 10:18:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from quartz.dis.strath.ac.uk (quartz.dis.strath.ac.uk [130.159.120.5]) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id KAA12911 for ; Fri, 5 Jan 2001 10:18:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from dis.strath.ac.uk (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by quartz.dis.strath.ac.uk (8.11.0/8.11.0/2.7) with ESMTP id f05FIhZ05552 for ; Fri, 5 Jan 2001 15:18:43 GMT To: netatalk-admins@umich.edu Subject: Re: Working over TCP References: <-1233689475peter@linuxchamps.com> Reply-To: sinclair@dis.strath.ac.uk Date: Fri, 05 Jan 2001 15:18:43 +0000 Message-ID: <5550.978707923@dis.strath.ac.uk> From: Duncan Sinclair Peter Gutowski writes: >On Tuesday, January 2, 2001, Miguel Beccari wrote: >>netatalk is working fine...... >> >>but not over tcp! >The problem is probably not afpd but rather, your nameserver. The name >as it appears in the chooser must resolve to an IP address on the local >network. But it's still a bit more complicated than that, and I believe >that the hostname or domain name of the linux box has some influence >here. (You can also use the "Server IP address..." button to enter >either the hostname or I23.456.789.012) This seems to be a new urban myth. My Sun appears as "Department Server" in my Chooser. I don't even think it would be possible to put this name in the DNS. But TCP connections work OK for me. I believe the Mac gets the IP number from the server either in the original NBP (Chooser) information, or through an initial appletalk-based meeting of minds. I think it's the second one... There may well be factors concerning what IP number your server thinks it has, compared with what the client thinks it is. For example, if you have more than one IP number, perhaps if the server uses the wrong one, the client will not be able to initialise a TCP connection and fall back to AppleTalk. (As afp over tcp always worked for me, I not an expert on the possible ways it can fail.) Cheers, Duncan Sinclair. PS> Anyone know how the latest netatalk-1.5 pre-release is on Solaris? Does it compile yet? From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Fri Jan 5 10:25:39 2001 Return-Path: Received: from kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.25]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id KAA13186 for ; Fri, 5 Jan 2001 10:25:39 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id KAA25781 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Fri, 5 Jan 2001 10:25:39 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id KAA25754 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Fri, 5 Jan 2001 10:25:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from rgrjr.dyndns.org (h0050da615e79.ne.mediaone.net [24.218.161.12]) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with SMTP id KAA25699 for ; Fri, 5 Jan 2001 10:25:37 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 23436 invoked by uid 500); 5 Jan 2001 15:25:35 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <14933.59247.93379.717611@h0050da615e79.ne.mediaone.net> Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2001 10:25:35 -0500 From: Bob Rogers To: Steve Freitas Cc: "Netatalk" , "Netatalk-devel" Subject: Netatalk flubs data on text files, not others In-Reply-To: <20010105100757.0056B5F84D@ns1.ihonk.com> References: <20010105100757.0056B5F84D@ns1.ihonk.com> X-Mailer: VM 6.89 under Emacs 20.7.1 From: Steve Freitas Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2001 02:08:08 -0800 Hi, Sorry for the cross-post, but I don't know if this is an -admin or -devel question. I'm using 1.5pre3 on RH7. Here's the short version of a confusing situation. I have a file ("blah.iso") sitting on a Linux box running Netatalk with a Mac logged into it. I used the Linux box to download this file. 1. From the Linux box's CLI, it md5sums 'abcd'. 2. From the Mac, it md5sums 'wxyz'. 3. Uh oh. Out of curiousity, does tr '\012' '\015' blah.iso | md5sum give you 'wxyz', or something different? -- Bob Rogers From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Fri Jan 5 10:37:35 2001 Return-Path: Received: from kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.25]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id KAA13487 for ; Fri, 5 Jan 2001 10:37:34 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id KAA17650 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Fri, 5 Jan 2001 10:37:34 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id KAA17636 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Fri, 5 Jan 2001 10:37:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from chalfont.mail.uk.easynet.net (chalfont.mail.uk.easynet.net [195.40.1.44]) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id KAA17569 for ; Fri, 5 Jan 2001 10:37:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from fe.nan.co.uk (mail.network-analysis.ltd.uk [212.135.212.98]) by chalfont.mail.uk.easynet.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B1C37F8F8F for ; Fri, 5 Jan 2001 15:37:28 +0000 (GMT) Received: by mailhost.nan.co.uk (sendmail 8.11.1) with ESMTP id f05FbsJ32002; Fri, 5 Jan 2001 15:37:54 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: sw@mailhost.int.nan.co.uk Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <5550.978707923@dis.strath.ac.uk> References: <-1233689475peter@linuxchamps.com> <5550.978707923@dis.strath.ac.uk> X-Mailer: Eudora Pro 4.3 Organization: Network Analysis Ltd Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2001 15:37:54 +0000 To: netatalk-admins@umich.edu From: Sak Wathanasin Subject: Re: Working over TCP Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" In reply to Duncan Sinclair's message of the 05/01/2001 at 15:18 +0000, >This seems to be a new urban myth. My Sun appears as "Department Server" >in my Chooser. I don't even think it would be possible to put this name >in the DNS. But TCP connections work OK for me. > >I believe the Mac gets the IP number from the server either in the original >NBP (Chooser) information, or through an initial appletalk-based meeting of >minds. I think it's the second one... > >There may well be factors concerning what IP number your server thinks >it has, compared with what the client thinks it is. For example, if >you have more than one IP number, perhaps if the server uses the wrong >one, the client will not be able to initialise a TCP connection and >fall back to AppleTalk. (As afp over tcp always worked for me, I not >an expert on the possible ways it can fail.) When you click on the server in the Chooser, the Mac sends an FPGetSrvrInfo request to the server. In the reply, the server sends its hostname, the versions of AFP that it supports, the UAMs that it supports, etc etc and right at the end, it sends the addresses it can be contacted on. You can get the details from .../etc/afpd/status.c; the routine status_netaddress has the following comment: /* format: Address count (byte) len (byte = sizeof(length + address type + address) address type (byte, ip address = 0x01, ip + port = 0x02, ddp address = 0x03, fqdn = 0x04) address (up to 254 bytes, ip = 4, ip + port = 6, ddp = 4) */ I.e., it sends a count of the different ways it can be contacted, and for each of them it sends the type (AppleTalk, IP addr or name) and then the respective address or name. It's up to the client what it does with this info: AppleShare tries the TCP connection(s?) first, then the AppleTalk ones. If the client is given an incorrect IP addr, the attempt to talk to ASIP will fail. netatalk obtains this addr using the std gethostbyname() call, and this will use DNS, NIS or /etc/hosts depending on your nsswitch.conf settings. It uses not the server name (which can be changed in the afpd.conf file) but the hostname of the server (as returned by the "hostname" or "uname -n" cmd) to obtain its IP addr. -- Sak Wathanasin Network Analysis Limited 178 Wainbody Ave South, Coventry CV3 6BX, UK Internet: sw@nan.co.uk Phone: (+44) 24 76 41 99 96 Mobile: (+44) 79 70 75 19 12 Fax: (+44) 24 76 69 06 90 From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Fri Jan 5 16:11:24 2001 Return-Path: Received: from kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.25]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id QAA03645 for ; Fri, 5 Jan 2001 16:11:18 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id QAA11865 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Fri, 5 Jan 2001 16:11:14 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id QAA11842 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Fri, 5 Jan 2001 16:11:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from ns1.ihonk.com ([216.237.145.12]) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id QAA11630 for ; Fri, 5 Jan 2001 16:11:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from [192.168.0.2] (cx428818-b.irvn1.occa.home.com [24.177.19.184]) by ns1.ihonk.com (Postfix) with SMTP id C206B5F84D; Fri, 5 Jan 2001 13:11:05 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: Netatalk flubs data on text files, not others Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2001 13:11:14 -0800 x-sender: steve@mail.ihonk.com x-mailer: Claris Emailer 2.0v3, January 22, 1998 From: Steve Freitas To: "Bob Rogers" Cc: "Netatalk" , "Netatalk-devel" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Message-Id: <20010105211105.C206B5F84D@ns1.ihonk.com> Sender: steve@mail.ihonk.com >Out of curiousity, does > > tr '\012' '\015' blah.iso | md5sum > >give you 'wxyz', or something different? I had to do: cat blah.iso | tr '\012' '\015' | md5sum The result was something different entirely from 'abcd' or 'wxyz'. But wait! I then did: cat blah.iso | tr '\015' '\012' | md5sum And I got 'wxyz'. So apparently Netatalk is changing my \015's to \012's by default. Any developer have some insight on this? Is this indeed crlf translation? I thought it was off -- I created a text file under Linux and opened it with Simpletext; I got the funny block characters instead of proper Mac linefeeds, so I thought crlf was off. Was I wrong? Also, does anybody know how to turn off all text handling on Netatalk? I looked in all the conf files but I couldn't see what to do. Having to rename my files to 'blah.tar.gz' just to copy them unmolested to the Mac, then renaming them after they've arrived seems a silly workaround. And what are the downsides of turning off all text handling? Are text files going to be become unreadable? Is my hair going to lose its natural curl? Steve From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Fri Jan 5 18:17:26 2001 Return-Path: Received: from kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.25]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id SAA07022 for ; Fri, 5 Jan 2001 18:17:26 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id SAA12488 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Fri, 5 Jan 2001 18:17:26 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id SAA12469 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Fri, 5 Jan 2001 18:17:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.rdc1.ct.home.com (ha1.rdc1.ct.home.com [24.2.0.66]) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id SAA12427 for ; Fri, 5 Jan 2001 18:17:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from [192.168.1.5] ([24.2.129.244]) by mail.rdc1.ct.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.00 201-229-121) with ESMTP id <20010105231724.HOVQ9746.mail.rdc1.ct.home.com@[192.168.1.5]> for ; Fri, 5 Jan 2001 15:17:24 -0800 User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Fri, 05 Jan 2001 18:17:30 -0500 Subject: unsubscribe From: Randy Gordon To: Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit -- Macintosh for productivity Linux for development Windows for solitaire From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Fri Jan 5 19:24:27 2001 Return-Path: Received: from easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.26]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id TAA10226 for ; Fri, 5 Jan 2001 19:24:27 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id TAA09696 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Fri, 5 Jan 2001 19:24:27 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id TAA09685 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Fri, 5 Jan 2001 19:24:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from fc.schdist57.bc.ca ([199.175.16.118]) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id TAA09657 for ; Fri, 5 Jan 2001 19:24:25 -0500 (EST) Message-id: Date: Fri, 05 Jan 2001 16:24:49 -0800 Subject: file permissions To: netatalk-admins@umich.edu From: "Mike Egglestone" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi.... I'm having some trouble with file permissions after the user logs into the appleshare....(through the chooser) I have a share from netatalk called "web" its real location is here /var/www/ I have given rwx permissions to the group of the folder "www" -R so basically I did this...... cd /var chgrp web www -R chmod g+rwx www -R when the user mounts the share "web"... all is good... However they can't write to (the root) of the share.... if they go into the share.... a directory or more... then the permissions work fine... basically from the mac computer... they can write to here /var/www/library/ but not here /var/www/ however.. if they log into the linux server directly (telnet in or something) and access the /var/www folder... they have their permissions with out problems.... Am I making sense? I wondering if netatalk is somehow blocking the permissions on the root of the mounted share.... Has anyone had this before? Any help would be great!!! thanks Mike From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Fri Jan 5 19:41:23 2001 Return-Path: Received: from kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.25]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id TAA10905 for ; Fri, 5 Jan 2001 19:41:23 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id TAA25813 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Fri, 5 Jan 2001 19:41:23 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id TAA25799 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Fri, 5 Jan 2001 19:41:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from sandman.ucdavis.edu (sandman.ucdavis.edu [169.237.105.36]) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id TAA25772 for ; Fri, 5 Jan 2001 19:41:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (itlm019@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by sandman.ucdavis.edu (8.11.1/8.11.0/IT4.4.8) with ESMTP id f060fAS18967; Fri, 5 Jan 2001 16:41:10 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2001 16:41:10 -0800 (PST) From: Marc Miller X-Sender: itlm019@sandman.ucdavis.edu To: Mike Egglestone cc: netatalk-admins@umich.edu Subject: Re: file permissions In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Are you using a netatalk 1.5 prerelease or is this 1.4b2+asun2.1.4 ? On Fri, 5 Jan 2001, Mike Egglestone wrote: > Hi.... > I'm having some trouble with file permissions after the user > logs into the appleshare....(through the chooser) > I have a share from netatalk called "web" > its real location is here > /var/www/ > I have given rwx permissions to the group of the folder "www" -R > so basically I did this...... > cd /var > chgrp web www -R > chmod g+rwx www -R > when the user mounts the share "web"... all is good... > However they can't write to (the root) of the share.... > if they go into the share.... a directory or more... then the permissions > work fine... > basically from the mac computer... they can write to here > /var/www/library/ > but not here /var/www/ > however.. if they log into the linux server directly (telnet in or > something) and access the /var/www folder... > they have their permissions with out problems.... > Am I making sense? > I wondering if netatalk is somehow blocking the permissions on the root of > the mounted share.... > Has anyone had this before? > Any help would be great!!! > thanks > Mike > ============================================================ /\/\arc ._|. /\/\iller (itlm019@mailbox.ucdavis.edu) Computer Room Consultant Information Technology/Lab Management ============================================================ I can be contacted through the Communication Center link from http://www.mother.com/~mjmiller/ From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Fri Jan 5 20:05:06 2001 Return-Path: Received: from kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.25]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id UAA11410 for ; Fri, 5 Jan 2001 20:05:06 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id UAA02074 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Fri, 5 Jan 2001 20:05:06 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id UAA02059 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Fri, 5 Jan 2001 20:05:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from mailout1-1.nyroc.rr.com (mailout1-0.nyroc.rr.com [24.92.226.81]) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id UAA02038 for ; Fri, 5 Jan 2001 20:05:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from [24.25.140.169] (cm-24-25-140-169.nycap.rr.com [24.25.140.169]) by mailout1-1.nyroc.rr.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA23968; Fri, 5 Jan 2001 20:01:03 -0500 (EST) User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Fri, 05 Jan 2001 20:04:54 -0500 Subject: Re: Some Minor Troubles w/netatalk 1.5pre3 From: Tara Piorkowski To: "Chris G. Sellers" , netatalk Admins Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200101031326.IAA23467@saturn5.acs.oakland.edu> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit on 1/3/01 8:26 AM, Chris G. Sellers at sellers@Oakland.edu wrote: Thanks, Chris, for the response. Here's the information you asked about... > When this is done, you check for afpd and atalkd and they are not > running?? No, they are both running, as shown in this ps. 423 ? S 0:00 /opt/atalk-1.5pre3/sbin/atalkd 443 ? S 0:00 /opt/atalk-1.5pre3/sbin/afpd -U uams_randnum.so -g nobody -c 30 -n Okte > The logs look somewhat normal. Is the message, "eth0: multicast may not work correctly." a standard message or is the daemon identifying a situation that is specific to a problemmatic environment? > The mulicast thing may be your culprit. That's what I think, too, though I haven't been able to definitively conclude this. Similarly, I haven't found a workaround. > I would post your network model > number, your OS (Linux Kernel 2.2.12, Solaris 8, FreeBSD, etc) and the > /var/log/dmesg (or equivalent) for your network card startup to the > netatalk list. I'm running Linux 2.2.18. Here are relevant lines from dmesg... NET4: AppleTalk 0.18 for Linux NET4.0 TLAN 1.3c: eth0 irq=10 io=2c20, Compaq Netelligent Integrated 10/100 TX UTP, Rev. 16 > That will get some people to notice what you are having > problems with. > > Good luck.... Thanks again, Chris, and thanks to anyone else who can provide any assistance. Tara -- Tara Piorkowski Network Administrator, vilaj.com From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Fri Jan 5 23:30:44 2001 Return-Path: Received: from funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.27]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id XAA15637 for ; Fri, 5 Jan 2001 23:30:44 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id XAA24091 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Fri, 5 Jan 2001 23:30:39 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id XAA24081 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Fri, 5 Jan 2001 23:30:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from femail2.sdc1.sfba.home.com (femail2.sdc1.sfba.home.com [24.0.95.82]) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id XAA24064 for ; Fri, 5 Jan 2001 23:30:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from yardley ([65.0.63.102]) by femail2.sdc1.sfba.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.00 201-229-121) with SMTP id <20010106043024.ZYYI17656.femail2.sdc1.sfba.home.com@yardley>; Fri, 5 Jan 2001 20:30:24 -0800 Message-ID: <001901c0779a$9e7c7780$1614140a@potlnd1.or.home.com> From: "yardley" To: Cc: References: <-1233689475peter@linuxchamps.com> <5550.978707923@dis.strath.ac.uk> Subject: Re: Working over TCP Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2001 20:39:13 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Actually, to get netatalk to connect over ip the netatalk machine has to be in the same domain as the mac. That is all I did and it worked fine. I then changed the domain and it would no longer mount over IP through the chooser. I don't know the technical reason why. All I know is that it worked. TimY ----- Original Message ----- From: "Duncan Sinclair" To: <> Sent: Friday, January 05, 2001 7:18 AM Subject: Re: Working over TCP > > Peter Gutowski writes: > > >On Tuesday, January 2, 2001, Miguel Beccari wrote: > >>netatalk is working fine...... > >> > >>but not over tcp! > > >The problem is probably not afpd but rather, your nameserver. The name > >as it appears in the chooser must resolve to an IP address on the local > >network. But it's still a bit more complicated than that, and I believe > >that the hostname or domain name of the linux box has some influence > >here. (You can also use the "Server IP address..." button to enter > >either the hostname or I23.456.789.012) > > This seems to be a new urban myth. My Sun appears as "Department Server" > in my Chooser. I don't even think it would be possible to put this name > in the DNS. But TCP connections work OK for me. > > I believe the Mac gets the IP number from the server either in the original > NBP (Chooser) information, or through an initial appletalk-based meeting of > minds. I think it's the second one... > > There may well be factors concerning what IP number your server thinks > it has, compared with what the client thinks it is. For example, if > you have more than one IP number, perhaps if the server uses the wrong > one, the client will not be able to initialise a TCP connection and > fall back to AppleTalk. (As afp over tcp always worked for me, I not > an expert on the possible ways it can fail.) > > Cheers, > > > > Duncan Sinclair. > > PS> Anyone know how the latest netatalk-1.5 pre-release is on Solaris? > Does it compile yet? > From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Sat Jan 6 07:00:24 2001 Return-Path: Received: from funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.27]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id HAA24093 for ; Sat, 6 Jan 2001 07:00:24 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id HAA21989 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Sat, 6 Jan 2001 07:00:18 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id HAA21968 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Sat, 6 Jan 2001 07:00:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from mailout06.sul.t-online.com (mailout06.sul.t-online.com [194.25.134.19]) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id HAA21932 for ; Sat, 6 Jan 2001 07:00:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from fwd07.sul.t-online.com by mailout06.sul.t-online.com with smtp id 14Es1F-0006vu-03; Sat, 06 Jan 2001 13:00:21 +0100 Received: from server.linau.de (320064501249-0002@[62.157.72.24]) by fmrl07.sul.t-online.com with esmtp id 14Es15-2EOH3YC; Sat, 6 Jan 2001 13:00:11 +0100 Received: from [192.168.2.2] (pulsar.linau.de [192.168.2.2]) by server.linau.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA05746 for ; Sat, 6 Jan 2001 11:56:58 +0100 Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailreader: Eudora 4.3.1 Macintosh Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2001 11:50:01 +0100 To: netatalk-admins@umich.edu From: Christian Schmidt Subject: Re: file permissions Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-Sender: 320064501249-0002@t-dialin.net Mike Egglestone schrieb am 05.01.2001: > I'm having some trouble with file permissions after the user > logs into the appleshare....(through the chooser) > I have a share from netatalk called "web" > its real location is here > /var/www/ > I have given rwx permissions to the group of the folder "www" -R > so basically I did this...... > cd /var > chgrp web www -R > chmod g+rwx www -R > when the user mounts the share "web"... all is good... > However they can't write to (the root) of the share.... > if they go into the share.... a directory or more... then the permissions > work fine... > basically from the mac computer... they can write to here > /var/www/library/ On my Linux server there is a directory shared by netatalk. I set the permissions as follows: drwsrwsr-- 10 root users And everything works fine. Every user can login via the chooser and create directories and files. hth, Christian -- Made with a Macintosh... ChriSchmi@t-online.de http://home.t-online.de/home/chrischmi/ From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Sat Jan 6 08:53:27 2001 Return-Path: Received: from easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.26]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id IAA26296 for ; Sat, 6 Jan 2001 08:53:27 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id IAA06636 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Sat, 6 Jan 2001 08:53:27 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id IAA06623 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Sat, 6 Jan 2001 08:53:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.rdc1.ct.home.com (ha1.rdc1.ct.home.com [24.2.0.66]) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id IAA06600 for ; Sat, 6 Jan 2001 08:53:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from [192.168.1.5] ([24.2.129.244]) by mail.rdc1.ct.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.00 201-229-121) with ESMTP id <20010106135325.RMFO9746.mail.rdc1.ct.home.com@[192.168.1.5]> for ; Sat, 6 Jan 2001 05:53:25 -0800 User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Sat, 06 Jan 2001 08:53:32 -0500 Subject: remove From: Randy Gordon To: Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit -- Macintosh for productivity Linux for development Windows for solitaire From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Sat Jan 6 08:53:44 2001 Return-Path: Received: from funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.27]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id IAA26312 for ; Sat, 6 Jan 2001 08:53:44 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id IAA27765 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Sat, 6 Jan 2001 08:53:38 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id IAA27745 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Sat, 6 Jan 2001 08:53:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.rdc1.ct.home.com (ha1.rdc1.ct.home.com [24.2.0.66]) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id IAA27717 for ; Sat, 6 Jan 2001 08:53:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from [192.168.1.5] ([24.2.129.244]) by mail.rdc1.ct.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.00 201-229-121) with ESMTP id <20010106135342.RMHI9746.mail.rdc1.ct.home.com@[192.168.1.5]> for ; Sat, 6 Jan 2001 05:53:42 -0800 User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Sat, 06 Jan 2001 08:53:49 -0500 Subject: unsubscribe From: Randy Gordon To: Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit -- Macintosh for productivity Linux for development Windows for solitaire From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Sat Jan 6 09:21:32 2001 Return-Path: Received: from funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.27]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id JAA26976 for ; Sat, 6 Jan 2001 09:21:31 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id JAA13312 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Sat, 6 Jan 2001 09:21:26 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id JAA13292 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Sat, 6 Jan 2001 09:21:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from winery.garlic.com (winery-en0b.garlic.com [216.139.31.163]) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id JAA13262 for ; Sat, 6 Jan 2001 09:21:24 -0500 (EST) Received: (from johana@localhost) by winery.garlic.com (8.11.1/8.11.1) id f06ELTt34394 for netatalk-admins@umich.edu; Sat, 6 Jan 2001 06:21:29 -0800 Received: by johana.com (UUPC/extended 1.12p); Sat, 06 Jan 2001 05:15:53 -0800 Message-ID: <3a571a89.johana@johana.com> Date: Sat, 06 Jan 2001 05:15:53 -0800 From: "Tom Watson" To: netatalk-admins@umich.edu Subject: Re: Some Minor Troubles w/netatalk 1.5pre3 On Fri, 5 Jan 2001 20:06:30 -0500 (EST), netatalk-admins@umich.edu wrote: > on 1/3/01 8:26 AM, Chris G. Sellers at sellers@Oakland.edu wrote: > <<>> > > Is the message, "eth0: multicast may not work correctly." a standard message > or is the daemon identifying a situation that is specific to a problemmatic > environment? > > > The mulicast thing may be your culprit. > > That's what I think, too, though I haven't been able to definitively > conclude this. Similarly, I haven't found a workaround. > Having hacked a EtherNet driver (the SEEQ8005 one to be exact), I noted a few things. Some drivers do not implement multicast (at the MAC - Machine Access, Level 2) correctly. Some do not implement it at all. AppleTalk uses multicast address (ethernet) of 09:00:07:FF:FF:FF. These addresses have a '1' in the LOW order bit of the first byte of the ethernet address. AppleTalk uses this multicast address to broadcast packets (name lookups are but just one) to all other AppleTalk nodes. This allows non-AppleTalk nodes to simply ignore the packets. In AppleTalk phase 1, the ethernet broadcast address of 'FF:FF:FF:FF:FF:FF' (all ones) was used. The logic in some chips allows addresses to be selectively received so that upper layers of software don't need to bother with packets that have no meaning. If the hardware multicast logic in the driver is not complete, some drivers will just put the receiver in "promiscous" (accept all packets) mode, which can unnecessarly burden the software in the lower levels. Some drivers just chose to ignore the need for multicast which is a BIG mistake, and can lead to AppleTalk NOT working. The other thing that happens is that there is ONE kernel variable that seems to control both hardware (ISO level 2) and IP (ISO level 3) multicasting. Portions of the code that do the IP multicasting are at the protocol level (using IP addresses above 224.0.0.0) have NOTHING to do with the hardware multicasting, but they seem to share a variable. Changing it (The variable is CONFIG_IP_MULTICAST) allows the code to ALSO do the hardware multicast, which is needed for AppleTalk. At least this is how MY kernel is setup (ymmv). I may have the group hardware address wrong for AppleTalk, but the idea is similar. Hopefully this assists someone. It may just be a simple matter of configuring the kernel. I just checked, the group address of '09:00:07:FF:FF:FF' is the proper address for AppleTalk phase 2 broadcast. Good luck!! References: /usr/src/linux/net/appletalk/aarp.c (location varies, but close enough). -- Tom Watson Generic short signature tsw@johana.com (I'm at home now) From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Sat Jan 6 14:14:53 2001 Return-Path: Received: from easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.26]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id OAA02017 for ; Sat, 6 Jan 2001 14:14:53 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id OAA07452 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Sat, 6 Jan 2001 14:14:53 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id OAA07435 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Sat, 6 Jan 2001 14:14:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from c000.snv.cp.net (c000-h007.c000.snv.cp.net [209.228.32.71]) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with SMTP id OAA07401 for ; Sat, 6 Jan 2001 14:14:51 -0500 (EST) Received: (cpmta 21822 invoked from network); 6 Jan 2001 11:14:50 -0800 Received: from adsl-63-195-135-197.dsl.scrm01.pacbell.net (HELO Server) (63.195.135.197) by smtp.gothard.com (209.228.32.71) with SMTP; 6 Jan 2001 11:14:50 -0800 X-Sent: 6 Jan 2001 19:14:50 GMT From: Adam Gothard To: netatalk-admins@umich.edu Subject: Fwd: Re: HELP!!! Need to undo file translation - I think Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2001 11:17:52 -0800 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <01010611175200.01084@Server> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit netatalk@umich.edu if for reporting bugs. Try sending your message to netatalk-admins@umich.edu. > From: Adam Gothard > To: netatalk@umich.edu > > Hello! I am hoping that you might be able to help me with a severe problem > I - > have come across with Netatalk for Linux. I have successfully installed > Netatalk on Linux (Slackware dist.) for our server at work. We recently > sent - > some files from some Mac G4s to the shared folder. Then I wrote those > files to a CD. However, now we have noticed that some of the files have > some problems... especially and most importantly, our PageMaker files can't > be read by PageMaker on the Macs. I know almost nothing about Netatalk, so > my guess was that when the files were transfered over to the server, a > CR-LF translation was done on the PageMaker file which messed the whole > thing up. I tried to use the fromdos command on the file, but had no > success. Is there - > anything we can do to restore these files? It is EXTREMELY important to be > able to read these PageMaker files, as the originals on the macs have > already - > been erased. (ooops). > > If you could help at all with this problem, or refer me to > someone/someplace that could help I would be very appreciative. > > Thank You, > Adam Gothard > Tag Team Productions ------------------------------------------------------- From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Sat Jan 6 14:22:21 2001 Return-Path: Received: from easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.26]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id OAA02300 for ; Sat, 6 Jan 2001 14:22:21 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id OAA16765 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Sat, 6 Jan 2001 14:22:21 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id OAA16749 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Sat, 6 Jan 2001 14:22:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail0.dns-net.de (mail0.dns-net.de [212.91.230.131]) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id OAA16712 for ; Sat, 6 Jan 2001 14:22:19 -0500 (EST) From: seb@freitag.ch Received: from vaio (really [62.158.10.130]) by mail0.dns-net.de via smail with esmtp id (Debian Smail3.2.0.111) for ; Sat, 6 Jan 2001 20:19:41 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <000d01c07816$18cee600$4d01a8c0@lan.freitag.ch> Reply-To: To: "Adam Gothard" Cc: References: <01010611175200.01084@Server> Subject: Re: Re: HELP!!! Need to undo file translation - I think Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2001 20:23:04 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 stay relaxed. go to downloads.com und search for res edit or super res edit. open the programm and select aboert (dont open a file). in resedit open "get info" and point to a pm-file and look at type/creator. now apply these settings to the files that dont work. seb ----- Original Message ----- From: "Adam Gothard" To: Sent: Saturday, January 06, 2001 8:17 PM Subject: Fwd: Re: HELP!!! Need to undo file translation - I think netatalk@umich.edu if for reporting bugs. Try sending your message to netatalk-admins@umich.edu. > From: Adam Gothard > To: netatalk@umich.edu > > Hello! I am hoping that you might be able to help me with a severe problem > I - > have come across with Netatalk for Linux. I have successfully installed > Netatalk on Linux (Slackware dist.) for our server at work. We recently > sent - > some files from some Mac G4s to the shared folder. Then I wrote those > files to a CD. However, now we have noticed that some of the files have > some problems... especially and most importantly, our PageMaker files can't > be read by PageMaker on the Macs. I know almost nothing about Netatalk, so > my guess was that when the files were transfered over to the server, a > CR-LF translation was done on the PageMaker file which messed the whole > thing up. I tried to use the fromdos command on the file, but had no > success. Is there - > anything we can do to restore these files? It is EXTREMELY important to be > able to read these PageMaker files, as the originals on the macs have > already - > been erased. (ooops). > > If you could help at all with this problem, or refer me to > someone/someplace that could help I would be very appreciative. > > Thank You, > Adam Gothard > Tag Team Productions ------------------------------------------------------- From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Sat Jan 6 17:07:20 2001 Return-Path: Received: from kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.25]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id RAA05694 for ; Sat, 6 Jan 2001 17:07:20 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id RAA24083 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Sat, 6 Jan 2001 17:07:20 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id RAA24060 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Sat, 6 Jan 2001 17:07:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from cmsu2.cmsu.edu (cmsu2.cmsu.edu [153.91.210.103]) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id RAA24022 for ; Sat, 6 Jan 2001 17:07:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from [153.91.210.74] ([153.91.210.74]) by cmsu2.cmsu.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA03703 for ; Sat, 6 Jan 2001 16:06:08 -0600 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: bjb8379@cmsu2.cmsu.edu (Unverified) Message-Id: Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2001 16:07:10 -0600 To: netatalk-admins@umich.edu From: Barry Brimer Subject: Netatalk / Split Horizon Routing Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Hello... does anyone know whether or not netatalk (particularly on Linux) has support for Split Horizon Routing .. and/or has anyone successfully used this? Thanks.. Barry From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Sat Jan 6 18:40:47 2001 Return-Path: Received: from funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.27]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id SAA07554 for ; Sat, 6 Jan 2001 18:40:47 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id SAA01458 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Sat, 6 Jan 2001 18:40:41 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id SAA01440 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Sat, 6 Jan 2001 18:40:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from dave-world.net (dave-world.net [204.189.73.19]) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id SAA01398 for ; Sat, 6 Jan 2001 18:40:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from heath [205.139.250.148] by dave-world.net (SMTPD32-6.03) id AC3B4C10011C; Sat, 06 Jan 2001 17:37:31 -0600 From: "Heath Henderson" To: Subject: Linux ? Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2001 17:41:45 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 This question is actually something of a system nature. I need to resize my swap partition. I cannot do it in RH 6.1 or 6.2 without the deleted space being incorporated back into the extended partition of say the /home parition. I got it to work on RH 6.0 just fine. What I want to know is how can I go about resizing this partition without messing the system up completely. Can I resize it on the fly or do I need to unmount it and go? Thanks to all in advance. Heath From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Sat Jan 6 21:30:52 2001 Return-Path: Received: from easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.26]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id VAA10510 for ; Sat, 6 Jan 2001 21:30:52 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id VAA25906 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Sat, 6 Jan 2001 21:30:52 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id VAA25890 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Sat, 6 Jan 2001 21:30:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from clever.visp-europe.psi.com (clever.visp-europe.psi.com [212.222.105.4]) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id VAA25841 for ; Sat, 6 Jan 2001 21:30:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from n245-27.berlin.snafu.de ([195.21.245.27] helo=athlet.deltaman.de) by clever.visp-europe.psi.com with esmtp (Exim 3.14 #1) id 14F5bb-00043h-00 for netatalk-admins@umich.edu; Sun, 07 Jan 2001 03:30:47 +0100 Received: from athlet (root@athlet.deltaman.de [192.168.1.1]) by athlet.deltaman.de (8.9.3/8.9.3/SuSE Linux 8.9.3-0.1) with SMTP id DAA25780 for ; Sun, 7 Jan 2001 03:23:41 +0100 From: Carsten Neumann Reply-To: deltor@snafu.de To: netatalk-admins@umich.edu Subject: Re: Fwd: Re: HELP!!! Need to undo file translation - I think Date: Sun, 7 Jan 2001 03:01:48 +0100 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.0.28] Content-Type: text/plain References: <01010611175200.01084@Server> In-Reply-To: <01010611175200.01084@Server> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <01010703234101.21116@athlet> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu id VAA10510 On Sat, 06 Jan 2001, Adam Gothard wrote: > netatalk@umich.edu if for reporting bugs. Try sending your message to > netatalk-admins@umich.edu. > > > From: Adam Gothard > > To: netatalk@umich.edu > > > > Hello! I am hoping that you might be able to help me with a severe problem > > I > > - > > > have come across with Netatalk for Linux. I have successfully installed > > Netatalk on Linux (Slackware dist.) for our server at work. We recently > > sent > > - > > > some files from some Mac G4s to the shared folder. Then I wrote those > > files to a CD. However, now we have noticed that some of the files have > > some problems... especially and most importantly, our PageMaker files can't > > be read by PageMaker on the Macs. I know almost nothing about Netatalk, so > > my guess was that when the files were transfered over to the server, a > > CR-LF translation was done on the PageMaker file which messed the whole > > thing up. I tried to use the fromdos command on the file, but had no > > success. Is there > > - > > > anything we can do to restore these files? It is EXTREMELY important to be > > able to read these PageMaker files, as the originals on the macs have > > already > > - > > > been erased. (ooops). > > > > If you could help at all with this problem, or refer me to > > someone/someplace that could help I would be very appreciative. > > > > Thank You, > > Adam Gothard > > Tag Team Productions > > ------------------------------------------------------- I don“t know if CR and LF are swapped by netatalk when translated. If so a tr '\n\r' '\r\n' < messed-up-file > temp-file ; mv -f temp-file messed-up-file for the data fork (not those in the .AppleDouble dirs) will do it. But if netatalk just either translates all CRs to LFs or LFs to CRs you will have no chance. It leaves an open question: why have these files been translated at all? Should be no TEXT files. Kind regards, good luck Carsten From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Sun Jan 7 00:20:07 2001 Return-Path: Received: from easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.26]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id AAA13833 for ; Sun, 7 Jan 2001 00:20:07 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id AAA10203 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Sun, 7 Jan 2001 00:20:07 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id AAA10176 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Sun, 7 Jan 2001 00:20:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from dave-world.net (dave-world.net [204.189.73.19]) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id AAA10131 for ; Sun, 7 Jan 2001 00:20:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from heath [205.139.250.148] by dave-world.net (SMTPD32-6.03) id ABBD7E400DA; Sat, 06 Jan 2001 23:16:45 -0600 From: "Heath Henderson" To: Cc: "Appletalk on Linux" Subject: PAM or Encrypted Password support ? Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2001 23:20:59 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <01010703234101.21116@athlet> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 I am installing some new netatalk systems. I have never before had a need for anything other than plain text support for my passwords, but now I am getting into some areas where I need more security. How do I turn on Two-way encrypted passwords or whatever to disable plain text support either by initial rpm install of netatalk-1.4b2+2.1.3-7.rpm or after it has already been installed? I want to be able to switch off plain text logins for the more secure logins. Thanks in advance. Heath Henderson From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Sun Jan 7 09:00:14 2001 Return-Path: Received: from easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.26]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id JAA24008 for ; Sun, 7 Jan 2001 09:00:14 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id JAA23938 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Sun, 7 Jan 2001 09:00:13 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id JAA23923 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Sun, 7 Jan 2001 09:00:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail0.dns-net.de (mail0.dns-net.de [212.91.230.131]) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id JAA23853 for ; Sun, 7 Jan 2001 09:00:11 -0500 (EST) From: seb@freitag.ch Received: from vaio (really [62.155.218.15]) by mail0.dns-net.de via smail with esmtp id (Debian Smail3.2.0.111) for ; Sun, 7 Jan 2001 14:57:32 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <001101c078b2$45adbe20$4d01a8c0@lan.freitag.ch> Reply-To: To: "Heath Henderson" Cc: References: Subject: Re: PAM or Encrypted Password support ? Date: Sun, 7 Jan 2001 15:00:30 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 http://netatalk.sourceforge.net/faq.php#2.6 sebastian ----- Original Message ----- From: "Heath Henderson" To: Cc: "Appletalk on Linux" Sent: Sunday, January 07, 2001 6:20 AM Subject: PAM or Encrypted Password support ? > I am installing some new netatalk systems. I have never before had a need > for anything other than plain text support for my passwords, but now I am > getting into some areas where I need more security. How do I turn on > Two-way encrypted passwords or whatever to disable plain text support either > by initial rpm install of netatalk-1.4b2+2.1.3-7.rpm or after it has already > been installed? I want to be able to switch off plain text logins for the > more secure logins. > > Thanks in advance. > > Heath Henderson > From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Sun Jan 7 11:37:35 2001 Return-Path: Received: from funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.27]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id LAA27166 for ; Sun, 7 Jan 2001 11:37:34 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id LAA16969 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Sun, 7 Jan 2001 11:37:28 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id LAA16955 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Sun, 7 Jan 2001 11:37:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from dave-world.net (dave-world.net [204.189.73.19]) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id LAA16919 for ; Sun, 7 Jan 2001 11:37:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from heath [205.139.250.148] by dave-world.net (SMTPD32-6.03) id AA8A151E0152; Sun, 07 Jan 2001 10:34:18 -0600 From: "Heath Henderson" To: "Netatalk Admins" Cc: "Appletalk Netatalk group" Subject: Kerberos Support Date: Sun, 7 Jan 2001 10:38:34 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <001101c078b2$45adbe20$4d01a8c0@lan.freitag.ch> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Kauthman Support How do I get this to work under OS 9. I have it installed, but it still seems like it is not authenticating correctly. Heath Henderson -----Original Message----- From: seb@freitag.ch [mailto:seb@freitag.ch] Sent: Sunday, January 07, 2001 8:01 AM To: Heath Henderson Cc: netatalk-admins@umich.edu Subject: Re: PAM or Encrypted Password support ? http://netatalk.sourceforge.net/faq.php#2.6 sebastian ----- Original Message ----- From: "Heath Henderson" To: Cc: "Appletalk on Linux" Sent: Sunday, January 07, 2001 6:20 AM Subject: PAM or Encrypted Password support ? > I am installing some new netatalk systems. I have never before had a need > for anything other than plain text support for my passwords, but now I am > getting into some areas where I need more security. How do I turn on > Two-way encrypted passwords or whatever to disable plain text support either > by initial rpm install of netatalk-1.4b2+2.1.3-7.rpm or after it has already > been installed? I want to be able to switch off plain text logins for the > more secure logins. > > Thanks in advance. > > Heath Henderson > From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Sun Jan 7 14:01:25 2001 Return-Path: Received: from kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.25]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id OAA00139 for ; Sun, 7 Jan 2001 14:01:25 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id OAA26644 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Sun, 7 Jan 2001 14:01:25 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id OAA26615 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Sun, 7 Jan 2001 14:01:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from potsdam.edu (potsdam.edu [137.143.110.101]) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with SMTP id OAA26573 for ; Sun, 7 Jan 2001 14:01:23 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 23847 invoked by alias); 7 Jan 2001 19:01:42 -0000 Received: (qmail 23836 invoked by uid 0); 7 Jan 2001 19:01:42 -0000 Received: from comp10574.potsdam.edu (HELO potsdam.edu) (137.143.111.133) by potsdam.edu with SMTP; 7 Jan 2001 19:01:42 -0000 Message-ID: <3A58BE22.B08527@potsdam.edu> Date: Sun, 07 Jan 2001 14:06:10 -0500 From: Matthew Keller X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Heath Henderson CC: netatalk-admins@umich.edu Subject: Re: Linux ? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Heath Henderson wrote: > > This question is actually something of a system nature. I need to resize my > swap partition. I cannot do it in RH 6.1 or 6.2 without the deleted space > being incorporated back into the extended partition of say the /home > parition. I got it to work on RH 6.0 just fine. What I want to know is how > can I go about resizing this partition without messing the system up > completely. Can I resize it on the fly or do I need to unmount it and go? Use LVM in the new 2.4.0 kernel. It's wonderful. -- Matthew Keller WebMaster, Interim Network Manager & Host Systems Analyst Computing & Technology Services Information Services Division State University of New York at Potsdam Website: http://mattwork.potsdam.edu/ PGP: http://mattwork.potsdam.edu/crypto/ From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Sun Jan 7 17:27:19 2001 Return-Path: Received: from kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.25]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id RAA05088 for ; Sun, 7 Jan 2001 17:27:19 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id RAA26048 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Sun, 7 Jan 2001 17:27:18 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id RAA26020 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Sun, 7 Jan 2001 17:27:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from ans.odi.ca (h24-71-207-132.cg.shawcable.net [24.71.207.132]) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id RAA25966 for ; Sun, 7 Jan 2001 17:27:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from [192.168.1.10] (buzzsaw.internal.froese.org [192.168.1.10]) by ans.odi.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id D95944DEE for ; Sun, 7 Jan 2001 15:27:13 -0700 (MST) User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Sun, 07 Jan 2001 15:27:13 -0700 Subject: Netatalk and NFS From: Darron Froese To: Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Does anyone share folders with Netatalk that are actually NFS mounts from another machine? Here's my setup: Linux 2.2.17 NFS ---> Linux 2.2.16 Netatalk ---> Mac OS Clients My Netatalk server (running 1.5pre3) only has a 4GB drive (and is only expandable using SCSI-2 drives that are mucho $$$ in price) while my NFS server has a 46GB IDE drive. I would like to use that 46GB drive transparently from the one netatalk server. I've mounted a few directories on my Netatalk server from the NFS server: [darron@computer darron]$ df -h Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on /dev/sda3 242M 146M 83M 64% / /dev/sda8 1.3G 387M 845M 31% /home /dev/sda5 145M 7.0k 138M 0% /tmp /dev/sda7 1.6G 1.3G 230M 85% /usr /dev/sda4 218M 104M 102M 50% /var /dev/sda6 290M 136M 139M 50% /web server:/home/darron/MP3 40G 7.1G 31G 19% /home/darron/mp3 server:/home/darron/archives 40G 7.1G 31G 19% /home/darron/archives server:/home/darron/backup 40G 7.1G 31G 19% /home/darron/backup I have no problems working with these files in the NFS mounted directories when I'm logged in to the shell or remotely via FTP and HTTP. I cannot copy/write to those NFS mounted directories via Netatalk - I get errors: "The item $Item cannot be read because it's in use." "The item $item cannot be written because it's in use." I can copy and write to directories that aren't NFS mounted just fine. Anyone have any ideas for me? Anyone already doing this? Would it be a workaround to smbmount those directories? -- Darron darron@froese.org From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Sun Jan 7 21:15:23 2001 Return-Path: Received: from kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.25]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id VAA09751 for ; Sun, 7 Jan 2001 21:15:23 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id VAA07654 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Sun, 7 Jan 2001 21:15:23 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id VAA07636 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Sun, 7 Jan 2001 21:15:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from moutvdom01.kundenserver.de (moutvdom01.kundenserver.de [195.20.224.200]) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id VAA07574 for ; Sun, 7 Jan 2001 21:15:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from [195.20.224.220] (helo=mrvdom04.kundenserver.de) by moutvdom01.kundenserver.de with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 14FRq2-000464-00 for netatalk-admins@umich.edu; Mon, 8 Jan 2001 03:15:10 +0100 Received: from p3e9ec6dc.dip0.t-ipconnect.de ([62.158.198.220]) by mrvdom04.kundenserver.de with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 14FRq1-0004MX-00 for netatalk-admins@umich.edu; Mon, 8 Jan 2001 03:15:10 +0100 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/9.0.2509 Date: Mon, 08 Jan 2001 03:13:51 +0100 Subject: Re: Linux ? From: Thomas Schierle To: Netatalk-Admins Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <3A58BE22.B08527@potsdam.edu> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit On 01-01-07 20:06 +0100, Matthew Keller wrote: > Use LVM in the new 2.4.0 kernel. It's wonderful. The manual to SuSE 7.0 (kernel already supporting LVM) just says, don't enable LVM unless you know exactly what you are doing ... Can you point to some related good readings at the internet? -- Thomas Schierle, Munich, Germany PGP key [DSS/DH] 0xA23CDA1D available at various public key servers From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Mon Jan 8 09:18:05 2001 Return-Path: Received: from easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.26]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id JAA25309 for ; Mon, 8 Jan 2001 09:18:05 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id JAA20121 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Mon, 8 Jan 2001 09:18:05 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id JAA20110 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Mon, 8 Jan 2001 09:18:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from sunflare.ccs.yorku.ca (sunflare.ccs.yorku.ca [130.63.236.128]) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id JAA20059 for ; Mon, 8 Jan 2001 09:18:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from sunlight.ccs.yorku.ca (sunlight.ccs.yorku.ca [130.63.236.85]) by sunflare.ccs.yorku.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA25670 for ; Mon, 8 Jan 2001 09:17:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (rickg@localhost) by sunlight.ccs.yorku.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA19871 for ; Mon, 8 Jan 2001 09:17:59 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: sunlight.ccs.yorku.ca: rickg owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2001 09:17:58 -0500 (EST) From: Richard Goldberg X-X-Sender: To: Subject: printer spooling... Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hi all, Our lab has lots of Macs with a sun server running netatalk for file sharing. We have 4 printers set up to accept print jobs directly from the macs over apple-talk. We would like to move the printers onto the net-atalk server to keep things centralized. We put them in the papd file and it generally works fine, with the exception of a few computers. One running OS 8.1 and one running OSX (current beta). We think the problem might have something to do with the print jobs needing extra fonts. Here's a question: How does the spooling process deal with downloading fonts to the printer? (I.e. the fonts are on the client computer, the printer finds out when it gets the document from the server that it needs a couple extra fonts from the client computer, but now its getting its info from a spool file on the server, rather than from the client computer. Any pointers would be appreciated. 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From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Mon Jan 8 10:20:30 2001 Return-Path: Received: from kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.25]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id KAA27337 for ; Mon, 8 Jan 2001 10:20:30 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id KAA17938 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Mon, 8 Jan 2001 10:20:29 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id KAA17913 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Mon, 8 Jan 2001 10:20:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from bowman.scf.orst.edu (bowman.SCF.ORST.EDU [128.193.161.87]) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id KAA17857 for ; Mon, 8 Jan 2001 10:20:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (morgan@localhost) by bowman.scf.orst.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA14928; Mon, 8 Jan 2001 07:20:22 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: bowman.scf.orst.edu: morgan owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2001 07:20:22 -0800 (PST) From: andrew morgan X-Sender: To: Richard Goldberg cc: Subject: Re: printer spooling... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 8 Jan 2001, Richard Goldberg wrote: > Hi all, > > Our lab has lots of Macs with a sun server running netatalk for file > sharing. We have 4 printers set up to accept print jobs directly from > the macs over apple-talk. We would like to move the printers onto the > net-atalk server to keep things centralized. > > We put them in the papd file and it generally works fine, with the > exception of a few computers. One running OS 8.1 and one running OSX > (current beta). We think the problem might have something to do with the > print jobs needing extra fonts. > > Here's a question: How does the spooling process deal with downloading > fonts to the printer? (I.e. the fonts are on the client computer, the > printer finds out when it gets the document from the server that it > needs a couple extra fonts from the client computer, but now its getting > its info from a spool file on the server, rather than from the client > computer. Unfortunately, the print spooler is not as smart as one would hope. :) It does not have any fonts stored on the server to download to the printer, and it isn't actually the program talking to the printer. Papd just hands the job off to the unix printing software (lpd, lprng, etc), and that software doesn't deal with fonts either. If your macs have been setup correctly with printer information, they should already know which fonts the printer needs and include them in the print job. There is also an option on the mac's print dialog box to set when the mac will download fonts to the printer. You should check this setting. You'll want the middle selection, something like "Downloaded Needed Fonts Only". Andy From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Mon Jan 8 10:24:25 2001 Return-Path: Received: from kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.25]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id KAA27429 for ; Mon, 8 Jan 2001 10:24:25 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id KAA23819 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Mon, 8 Jan 2001 10:24:25 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id KAA23813 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Mon, 8 Jan 2001 10:24:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from potsdam.edu (potsdam.edu [137.143.110.101]) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with SMTP id KAA23677 for ; Mon, 8 Jan 2001 10:24:18 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 19971 invoked by alias); 8 Jan 2001 15:24:36 -0000 Received: (qmail 19947 invoked by uid 0); 8 Jan 2001 15:24:35 -0000 Received: from comp10574.potsdam.edu (HELO potsdam.edu) (137.143.111.133) by potsdam.edu with SMTP; 8 Jan 2001 15:24:35 -0000 Message-ID: <3A59DCC2.F3980D91@potsdam.edu> Date: Mon, 08 Jan 2001 10:29:06 -0500 From: Matthew Keller X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Darron Froese CC: netatalk-admins@umich.edu Subject: Re: Netatalk and NFS References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Make sure your time on both NFS server and NFS client are the same- Down to the second. I use the following flags when I mount NFS volumes for share with Netatalk. You gotta turn off NFS locking because Apple is lame and is CONSTANTLY writing and reading resource forks while a file is open (even in the midst of a copy) nolock,nosuid,noexec,wsize=8192,bg,nodev,rsize=8192,intr Darron Froese wrote: > > Does anyone share folders with Netatalk that are actually NFS mounts from > another machine? > > Here's my setup: > > Linux 2.2.17 NFS ---> Linux 2.2.16 Netatalk ---> Mac OS Clients > > My Netatalk server (running 1.5pre3) only has a 4GB drive (and is only > expandable using SCSI-2 drives that are mucho $$$ in price) while my NFS > server has a 46GB IDE drive. I would like to use that 46GB drive > transparently from the one netatalk server. > > I've mounted a few directories on my Netatalk server from the NFS server: > > [darron@computer darron]$ df -h > Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on > /dev/sda3 242M 146M 83M 64% / > /dev/sda8 1.3G 387M 845M 31% /home > /dev/sda5 145M 7.0k 138M 0% /tmp > /dev/sda7 1.6G 1.3G 230M 85% /usr > /dev/sda4 218M 104M 102M 50% /var > /dev/sda6 290M 136M 139M 50% /web > server:/home/darron/MP3 > 40G 7.1G 31G 19% /home/darron/mp3 > server:/home/darron/archives > 40G 7.1G 31G 19% /home/darron/archives > server:/home/darron/backup > 40G 7.1G 31G 19% /home/darron/backup > > I have no problems working with these files in the NFS mounted directories > when I'm logged in to the shell or remotely via FTP and HTTP. > > I cannot copy/write to those NFS mounted directories via Netatalk - I get > errors: > > "The item $Item cannot be read because it's in use." > "The item $item cannot be written because it's in use." > > I can copy and write to directories that aren't NFS mounted just fine. > > Anyone have any ideas for me? Anyone already doing this? > > Would it be a workaround to smbmount those directories? > -- > Darron > darron@froese.org -- Matthew Keller WebMaster, Interim Network Manager & Host Systems Analyst Computing & Technology Services Information Services Division State University of New York at Potsdam Website: http://mattwork.potsdam.edu/ PGP: http://mattwork.potsdam.edu/crypto/ From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Mon Jan 8 10:25:21 2001 Return-Path: Received: from funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.27]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id KAA27466 for ; Mon, 8 Jan 2001 10:25:20 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id KAA17372 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Mon, 8 Jan 2001 10:25:15 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id KAA17332 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Mon, 8 Jan 2001 10:25:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from potsdam.edu (potsdam.edu [137.143.110.101]) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with SMTP id KAA17050 for ; Mon, 8 Jan 2001 10:25:11 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 20155 invoked by alias); 8 Jan 2001 15:25:25 -0000 Received: (qmail 20145 invoked by uid 0); 8 Jan 2001 15:25:24 -0000 Received: from comp10574.potsdam.edu (HELO potsdam.edu) (137.143.111.133) by potsdam.edu with SMTP; 8 Jan 2001 15:25:24 -0000 Message-ID: <3A59DCF4.C9C19203@potsdam.edu> Date: Mon, 08 Jan 2001 10:29:56 -0500 From: Matthew Keller X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Thomas Schierle CC: Netatalk-Admins Subject: Re: Linux ? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thomas Schierle wrote: > > On 01-01-07 20:06 +0100, Matthew Keller wrote: > > > Use LVM in the new 2.4.0 kernel. It's wonderful. > > The manual to SuSE 7.0 (kernel already supporting LVM) just says, don't > enable LVM unless you know exactly what you are doing ... SuSe 7.0 isn't running the 2.4.0 kernel, either. > Can you point to some related good readings at the internet? There isn't anything good out there yet AFAIK. 2.4.0 just went gold last week. -- Matthew Keller WebMaster, Interim Network Manager & Host Systems Analyst Computing & Technology Services Information Services Division State University of New York at Potsdam Website: http://mattwork.potsdam.edu/ PGP: http://mattwork.potsdam.edu/crypto/ From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Mon Jan 8 11:09:17 2001 Return-Path: Received: from easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.26]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id LAA28921 for ; Mon, 8 Jan 2001 11:09:17 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id LAA01301 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Mon, 8 Jan 2001 11:09:17 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id LAA01287 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Mon, 8 Jan 2001 11:09:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from pele.santafe.edu (pele.santafe.edu [192.12.12.119]) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id LAA01242 for ; Mon, 8 Jan 2001 11:09:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from pinon (pinon [192.12.12.104]) by pele.santafe.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA08286; Mon, 8 Jan 2001 09:06:25 -0700 (MST) Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2001 09:06:25 -0700 (MST) From: Tim Carlson To: Matthew Keller cc: Darron Froese , netatalk-admins@umich.edu Subject: Re: Netatalk and NFS In-Reply-To: <3A59DCC2.F3980D91@potsdam.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 8 Jan 2001, Matthew Keller wrote: > Make sure your time on both NFS server and NFS client are the same- > Down to the second. I use the following flags when I mount NFS volumes > for share with Netatalk. You gotta turn off NFS locking because Apple is > lame and is CONSTANTLY writing and reading resource forks while a file > is open (even in the midst of a copy) > > nolock,nosuid,noexec,wsize=8192,bg,nodev,rsize=8192,intr FYI, I have encountered no problems with pre-asun2.1.4-39_test on Solaris 7 and grabbing shares that are NFSed from another Solaris box. Of course this is all NFSv3 which you probably aren't using on your Linux boxes. As for the time syncing I would agree that it is important to keep time current among machines that are NFSing things around. Recent versions of GNU "make" really complain if the time is different. If you aren't using ntp or some such utility, you should be :) Tim Tim Carlson Voice: (505) 984-8800x255 Director of Computing: Santa Fe Institute Fax: (505) 982-0565 WWW: http://www.santafe.edu/~tim Email: tim@santafe.edu From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Mon Jan 8 11:12:24 2001 Return-Path: Received: from funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.27]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id LAA29147 for ; Mon, 8 Jan 2001 11:12:24 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id LAA01369 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Mon, 8 Jan 2001 11:12:18 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id LAA01354 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Mon, 8 Jan 2001 11:12:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from potsdam.edu (potsdam.edu [137.143.110.101]) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with SMTP id LAA01315 for ; Mon, 8 Jan 2001 11:12:16 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 2249 invoked by alias); 8 Jan 2001 16:12:40 -0000 Received: (qmail 2224 invoked by uid 0); 8 Jan 2001 16:12:38 -0000 Received: from comp10574.potsdam.edu (HELO potsdam.edu) (137.143.111.133) by potsdam.edu with SMTP; 8 Jan 2001 16:12:38 -0000 Message-ID: <3A59E805.2D3C8C41@potsdam.edu> Date: Mon, 08 Jan 2001 11:17:09 -0500 From: Matthew Keller X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Tim Carlson CC: Darron Froese , netatalk-admins@umich.edu Subject: Re: Netatalk and NFS References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Tim Carlson wrote: > FYI, I have encountered no problems with pre-asun2.1.4-39_test on Solaris > 7 and grabbing shares that are NFSed from another Solaris box. Of course > this is all NFSv3 which you probably aren't using on your Linux boxes. Yes, NFSv3 is way nice, and v3 support in Linux 2.2 kernel sucks. v3 in 2.4.0 kernel is alledgedly pretty cool, but I haven't played with it yet... Maybe this afternoon... > As for the time syncing I would agree that it is important to keep time > current among machines that are NFSing things around. Recent > versions of GNU "make" really complain if the time is different. If you > aren't using ntp or some such utility, you should be :) *nod* On an hourly CRON task, IMHO. -- Matthew Keller WebMaster, Interim Network Manager & Host Systems Analyst Computing & Technology Services Information Services Division State University of New York at Potsdam Website: http://mattwork.potsdam.edu/ PGP: http://mattwork.potsdam.edu/crypto/ From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Mon Jan 8 11:37:00 2001 Return-Path: Received: from kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.25]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id LAA00061 for ; Mon, 8 Jan 2001 11:37:00 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id LAA16711 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Mon, 8 Jan 2001 11:37:00 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id LAA16683 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Mon, 8 Jan 2001 11:36:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from pele.santafe.edu (pele.santafe.edu [192.12.12.119]) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id LAA16648 for ; Mon, 8 Jan 2001 11:36:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from pele (pele [192.12.12.119]) by pele.santafe.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA09964; Mon, 8 Jan 2001 09:36:48 -0700 (MST) Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2001 09:36:48 -0700 (MST) From: Tim Carlson To: Matthew Keller cc: Darron Froese , netatalk-admins@umich.edu Subject: Re: Netatalk and NFS In-Reply-To: <3A59E805.2D3C8C41@potsdam.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 8 Jan 2001, Matthew Keller wrote: > > As for the time syncing I would agree that it is important to keep time > > current among machines that are NFSing things around. Recent > > versions of GNU "make" really complain if the time is different. If you > > aren't using ntp or some such utility, you should be :) > > *nod* On an hourly CRON task, IMHO. Slightly off topic IMHO that is a horrible method Please please please look at using ntp. It will save you much pain esp if the machine you are syncing has bad clock skew. Even after you do your "rdate -s machinename" you are still out of sync. Tim From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Mon Jan 8 11:58:56 2001 Return-Path: Received: from easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.26]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id LAA00672 for ; Mon, 8 Jan 2001 11:58:56 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id LAA12588 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Mon, 8 Jan 2001 11:58:56 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id LAA12552 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Mon, 8 Jan 2001 11:58:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from potsdam.edu (potsdam.edu [137.143.110.101]) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with SMTP id LAA12438 for ; Mon, 8 Jan 2001 11:58:51 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 13629 invoked by alias); 8 Jan 2001 16:59:08 -0000 Received: (qmail 13613 invoked by uid 0); 8 Jan 2001 16:59:08 -0000 Received: from comp10574.potsdam.edu (HELO potsdam.edu) (137.143.111.133) by potsdam.edu with SMTP; 8 Jan 2001 16:59:08 -0000 Message-ID: <3A59F2EB.603381B1@potsdam.edu> Date: Mon, 08 Jan 2001 12:03:39 -0500 From: Matthew Keller X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Tim Carlson CC: Darron Froese , netatalk-admins@umich.edu Subject: Re: Netatalk and NFS References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Tim Carlson wrote: > > > IMHO that is a horrible method > Please please please look at using ntp. It will save you much pain esp if > the machine you are syncing has bad clock skew. Even after you do your > "rdate -s machinename" you are still out of sync. > > *lol* You're not the first person to get all bunched up about that. The problem with NTP is that it is a security hole. It's very easy for any random person to spoof NTP packets and REALLY mess things up. The precision needed for file-sharing over FTP only has to be down to the second (~3 seconds if you do the long math) which an hourly rdate will accomplish just fine, with only a trivial security risk. (and cuts down on network traffic too). -- Matthew Keller WebMaster, Interim Network Manager & Host Systems Analyst Computing & Technology Services Information Services Division State University of New York at Potsdam Website: http://mattwork.potsdam.edu/ PGP: http://mattwork.potsdam.edu/crypto/ From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Mon Jan 8 13:37:44 2001 Return-Path: Received: from kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.25]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id NAA03587 for ; Mon, 8 Jan 2001 13:37:44 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id NAA26398 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Mon, 8 Jan 2001 13:37:44 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id NAA26359 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Mon, 8 Jan 2001 13:37:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from pele.santafe.edu (pele.santafe.edu [192.12.12.119]) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id NAA26327 for ; Mon, 8 Jan 2001 13:37:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from pinon (pinon [192.12.12.104]) by pele.santafe.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA17826; Mon, 8 Jan 2001 11:37:24 -0700 (MST) Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2001 11:37:24 -0700 (MST) From: Tim Carlson To: Matthew Keller cc: Darron Froese , netatalk-admins@umich.edu Subject: Re: Netatalk and NFS In-Reply-To: <3A59F2EB.603381B1@potsdam.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 8 Jan 2001, Matthew Keller wrote: > *lol* You're not the first person to get all bunched up about that. The > problem with NTP is that it is a security hole. It's very easy for any > random person to spoof NTP packets and REALLY mess things up. People keep saying this yet I have never heard of a real life example. Reading through the NTP documentation it seems that in fact it is quite hard. I mean there such things as keys in an NTP configuration that people should use. Besides that.. all of the script kiddies are more interested in buffer overruns :) > second (~3 seconds if you do the long math) which an hourly rdate will > accomplish just fine, with only a trivial security risk. (and cuts down > on network traffic too). I will use more network traffic in sending this one email than NTP will use all day :-) Tim From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Mon Jan 8 14:14:53 2001 Return-Path: Received: from easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.26]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id OAA04550 for ; Mon, 8 Jan 2001 14:14:53 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id OAA01325 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Mon, 8 Jan 2001 14:14:53 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id OAA01308 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Mon, 8 Jan 2001 14:14:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from potsdam.edu (potsdam.edu [137.143.110.101]) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with SMTP id OAA01239 for ; Mon, 8 Jan 2001 14:14:51 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 17369 invoked by alias); 8 Jan 2001 19:15:03 -0000 Received: (qmail 17346 invoked by uid 0); 8 Jan 2001 19:15:02 -0000 Received: from comp10574.potsdam.edu (HELO potsdam.edu) (137.143.111.133) by potsdam.edu with SMTP; 8 Jan 2001 19:15:02 -0000 Message-ID: <3A5A12C5.F729F612@potsdam.edu> Date: Mon, 08 Jan 2001 14:19:33 -0500 From: Matthew Keller X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Tim Carlson CC: Darron Froese , netatalk-admins@umich.edu Subject: Re: Netatalk and NFS References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Tim Carlson wrote: > People keep saying this yet I have never heard of a real life example. What's your IP network address? ;) > I will use more network traffic in sending this one email than NTP will > use all day :-) Depends on your network. -- Matthew Keller WebMaster, Interim Network Manager & Host Systems Analyst Computing & Technology Services Information Services Division State University of New York at Potsdam Website: http://mattwork.potsdam.edu/ PGP: http://mattwork.potsdam.edu/crypto/ From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Mon Jan 8 16:37:56 2001 Return-Path: Received: from kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.25]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id QAA09553 for ; Mon, 8 Jan 2001 16:37:56 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id QAA01954 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Mon, 8 Jan 2001 16:37:56 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id QAA01928 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Mon, 8 Jan 2001 16:37:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from video1.avwashington.com (client-151-200-136-147.tag.com [151.200.136.147] (may be forged)) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id QAA01816 for ; Mon, 8 Jan 2001 16:37:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.avwashington.com (IDENT:root@crow.avwashington.com [192.168.0.6]) by video1.avwashington.com (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA25062; Mon, 8 Jan 2001 16:46:08 -0500 Sender: root@video1.avwashington.com Message-ID: <3A5A33CD.6FF1EA91@mail.avwashington.com> Date: Mon, 08 Jan 2001 16:40:29 -0500 From: Chip Mefford Reply-To: cpm@avwashington.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.16-22 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Tim Carlson CC: Matthew Keller , Darron Froese , netatalk-admins@umich.edu Subject: Re: Netatalk and NFS References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Tim Carlson wrote: Subscribe to the securityfocus list. > People keep saying this yet I have never heard of a real life example. > Reading through the NTP documentation it seems that in fact it is quite > hard. I mean there such things as keys in an NTP configuration that people > should use. > > Besides that.. all of the script kiddies are more interested in buffer > overruns :) > > > second (~3 seconds if you do the long math) which an hourly rdate will > > accomplish just fine, with only a trivial security risk. (and cuts down > > on network traffic too). > > I will use more network traffic in sending this one email than NTP will > use all day :-) > > Tim From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Mon Jan 8 17:44:11 2001 Return-Path: Received: from easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.26]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id RAA11103 for ; Mon, 8 Jan 2001 17:44:11 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id RAA05433 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Mon, 8 Jan 2001 17:44:11 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id RAA05410 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Mon, 8 Jan 2001 17:44:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from pele.santafe.edu (pele.santafe.edu [192.12.12.119]) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id RAA05373 for ; Mon, 8 Jan 2001 17:44:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from pinon (pinon [192.12.12.104]) by pele.santafe.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA01921 for ; Mon, 8 Jan 2001 15:44:04 -0700 (MST) Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2001 15:44:04 -0700 (MST) From: Tim Carlson To: netatalk-admins@umich.edu Subject: my last post on ntpd (really) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I really am sorry about going off topic, but I would like to clear this up. If someone wants to take this discussion off-line then that would be great. I have searched the securityfocus.com archives and found exactly zero incident reports, 4 reports about a buggy glibc in linux, zero reports in vulnerabilies, 1 report from a guy who said he found out the name of a remote machine through ntp, 1 report from a guy that says there should be a vulnerability but doesn't know how to go about the exploit, and a bunch of other crap unrelated to any problems in ntpd. If someone would like to point me to an exploit that actually *exists*, that would be nice. Tim Tim Carlson Voice: (505) 984-8800x255 Director of Computing: Santa Fe Institute Fax: (505) 982-0565 WWW: http://www.santafe.edu/~tim Email: tim@santafe.edu From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Mon Jan 8 23:10:48 2001 Return-Path: Received: from funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.27]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id XAA17924 for ; Mon, 8 Jan 2001 23:10:48 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id XAA14347 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Mon, 8 Jan 2001 23:10:42 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id XAA14323 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Mon, 8 Jan 2001 23:10:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from ans.odi.ca ([24.71.207.132]) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id XAA14262 for ; Mon, 8 Jan 2001 23:10:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from [192.168.1.50] (gateway.javelindigital.com [216.126.20.162]) (using SSLv3 with cipher RC4-MD5 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ans.odi.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D8C24DEE for ; Mon, 8 Jan 2001 21:10:42 -0700 (MST) User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/9.0.2509 Date: Mon, 08 Jan 2001 21:10:38 -0700 Subject: PAPD and LPR... From: Darron Froese To: Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit I'm trying to set up a print server for the growing number of PC's in our all Mac office. The printer is a Xerox Docuprint N32 - I'm running Mandrake 7.0 on the print server and cannot upgrade. After I get it printing from the command line in Linux, I'm going to set up Samba to share it for the PC's. I'm running into a few problems. /etc/printcap: laser|lp|Design Black and White:\ :sd=/var/spool/lpd/designbw:\ :lp=/dev/null:\ :lf=/var/log/lpd-errs:pw#80:hl:\ :of=/usr/sbin/ofpap:\ :if=/usr/sbin/ifpaprev:\ :tf=/usr/sbin/tfpaprev: When I print using this setup, all I get is a large page with: Username Filename Domainname Job: filename Date: Current date. All of this is in ASCII art - which is quite nice - but I really want to print. All I need to be able to print is Postscript (from Windows PC's) and possibly plain text from Linux. I can print with pap directly: [root@gateway /root]# pap -p "Design Black & White":LaserWriter shovel.eps Trying 65408.130:250 ... status: idle status: idle Connected to Design Black & White:LaserWriter@*. Connection closed. I have looked through all of the howto's that I could find. I also found a couple really good pages with info - but not the right info it seems: Anyone got a pointer or tip for me? Thanks. -- Darron darron@froese.org From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Mon Jan 8 23:31:34 2001 Return-Path: Received: from funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.27]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id XAA18413 for ; Mon, 8 Jan 2001 23:31:34 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id XAA19228 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Mon, 8 Jan 2001 23:31:28 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id XAA19207 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Mon, 8 Jan 2001 23:31:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from mailout4-0.nyroc.rr.com (mailout4-1.nyroc.rr.com [24.92.226.166]) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id XAA19173 for ; Mon, 8 Jan 2001 23:31:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from [24.25.140.169] (cm-24-25-140-169.nycap.rr.com [24.25.140.169]) by mailout4-0.nyroc.rr.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA24006; Mon, 8 Jan 2001 23:27:03 -0500 (EST) User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Mon, 08 Jan 2001 23:30:38 -0500 Subject: Re: Some Minor Troubles w/netatalk 1.5pre3 From: Tara Piorkowski To: Tom Watson , netatalk Admins Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <3a571a89.johana@johana.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit on 1/6/01 8:15 AM, Tom Watson at tsw@johana.com wrote: > On Fri, 5 Jan 2001 20:06:30 -0500 (EST), netatalk-admins@umich.edu wrote: >> on 1/3/01 8:26 AM, Chris G. Sellers at sellers@Oakland.edu wrote: >> > > <<>> > >> >> Is the message, "eth0: multicast may not work correctly." a standard message >> or is the daemon identifying a situation that is specific to a problemmatic >> environment? >> >>> The mulicast thing may be your culprit. >> >> That's what I think, too, though I haven't been able to definitively >> conclude this. Similarly, I haven't found a workaround. >> > > Having hacked a EtherNet driver (the SEEQ8005 one to be exact), I noted a > few things. Some drivers do not implement multicast (at the MAC - Machine > Access, Level 2) correctly. Some do not implement it at all. AppleTalk > uses multicast address (ethernet) of 09:00:07:FF:FF:FF. These addresses have > a '1' in the LOW order bit of the first byte of the ethernet address. > AppleTalk uses this multicast address to broadcast packets (name lookups > are but just one) to all other AppleTalk nodes. This allows non-AppleTalk > nodes to simply ignore the packets. In AppleTalk phase 1, the ethernet > broadcast address of 'FF:FF:FF:FF:FF:FF' (all ones) was used. > > The logic in some chips allows addresses to be selectively received so > that upper layers of software don't need to bother with packets that > have no meaning. If the hardware multicast logic in the driver is not > complete, some drivers will just put the receiver in "promiscous" (accept > all packets) mode, which can unnecessarly burden the software in the > lower levels. Some drivers just chose to ignore the need for multicast > which is a BIG mistake, and can lead to AppleTalk NOT working. > > The other thing that happens is that there is ONE kernel variable that > seems to control both hardware (ISO level 2) and IP (ISO level 3) > multicasting. Portions of the code that do the IP multicasting are at > the protocol level (using IP addresses above 224.0.0.0) have NOTHING to do > with the hardware multicasting, but they seem to share a variable. Changing > it (The variable is CONFIG_IP_MULTICAST) allows the code to ALSO do the > hardware multicast, which is needed for AppleTalk. At least this is > how MY kernel is setup (ymmv). > > I may have the group hardware address wrong for AppleTalk, but the idea > is similar. Hopefully this assists someone. It may just be a simple > matter of configuring the kernel. I just checked, the group address > of '09:00:07:FF:FF:FF' is the proper address for AppleTalk phase 2 > broadcast. Good luck!! > > References: > /usr/src/linux/net/appletalk/aarp.c (location varies, but close enough). Tom, Thanks for your informative response. I played around with the kernel configuration a bit, to no avail. Frustrated and needing to do other things, I slapped a 3Com 3c509 card I had lying around in the machine, recompiled an appropriate kernel, restarted and everything came up as I expected it to. So, either there's a problem in the TLAN driver not supporting multicast or there's a similar problem with the Proliant's Netelligent card. Regardless, the money saved in time will easily cover the cost of the 3Com card. Honestly, I'm a little surprised as I figured there are tons of Proliants out there and some of them have to be running netatalk. Nonetheless, I appreciate the help you and others provided. Thanks. Tara -- Tara Piorkowski Network Administrator, vilaj.com From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Tue Jan 9 02:04:53 2001 Return-Path: Received: from kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.25]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id CAA21387 for ; Tue, 9 Jan 2001 02:04:53 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id CAA10652 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Tue, 9 Jan 2001 02:04:53 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id CAA10615 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Tue, 9 Jan 2001 02:04:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from bowman.scf.orst.edu (bowman.SCF.ORST.EDU [128.193.161.87]) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id CAA10571 for ; Tue, 9 Jan 2001 02:04:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (morgan@localhost) by bowman.scf.orst.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA28351; Mon, 8 Jan 2001 23:03:42 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: bowman.scf.orst.edu: morgan owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2001 23:03:42 -0800 (PST) From: andrew morgan X-Sender: To: Darron Froese cc: Subject: Re: PAPD and LPR... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 8 Jan 2001, Darron Froese wrote: > I'm trying to set up a print server for the growing number of PC's in our > all Mac office. The printer is a Xerox Docuprint N32 - I'm running Mandrake > 7.0 on the print server and cannot upgrade. > > After I get it printing from the command line in Linux, I'm going to set up > Samba to share it for the PC's. > > I'm running into a few problems. > > /etc/printcap: > > laser|lp|Design Black and White:\ > :sd=/var/spool/lpd/designbw:\ > :lp=/dev/null:\ > :lf=/var/log/lpd-errs:pw#80:hl:\ > :of=/usr/sbin/ofpap:\ > :if=/usr/sbin/ifpaprev:\ > :tf=/usr/sbin/tfpaprev: Why not send your jobs to the Xerox using the LPD protocol? I'd be surprised if this printer only does appletalk printing. Just modify your printcap to: laser|lp|Design Black and White:\ :sd=/var/spool/lpd/designbw:\ :rm=hostname.of.printer.org:\ :rp=raw:\ :lf=/var/log/lpd-errs:pw#80:hl:\ :if=/var/spool/lpd/designbw/filter: The rm option is the IP address or hostname of the printer. The rp option specifies the name of a queue on the remote machine, which varies from printer to printer. On HP printers, the "raw" queue tells the printer that the job is already formatted for the printer. I'm not sure about my setting for the if option above. That is what I had in my printcap, but it may be different on Mandrake 7. You should probably use Mandrake's GUI tool to create the printer. Just tell it you want to print to a remote LPD printer. Andy From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Tue Jan 9 05:54:42 2001 Return-Path: Received: from kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.25]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id FAA25713 for ; Tue, 9 Jan 2001 05:54:42 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id FAA10257 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Tue, 9 Jan 2001 05:54:42 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id FAA10232 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Tue, 9 Jan 2001 05:54:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.hauptsache.net (www.hauptsache.net [195.88.44.25]) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id FAA10174 for ; Tue, 9 Jan 2001 05:54:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from lespaul (p3E9EAB60.dip.t-dialin.net [62.158.171.96]) by mail.hauptsache.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id LAA21648 for ; Tue, 9 Jan 2001 11:44:48 +0100 Message-ID: <003101c07a2a$cb0fcf80$4dc8a8c0@hauptsache.intra> From: "Nikolas Hagelstein" To: Subject: Dancing icons again.... Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2001 11:56:08 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Hi, never ending story: Linux server Kernel 2.2.17 (rh7) netatalk-1.4b2+asun2.1.4-37b.1flock only guest access... two folders are suffering on the well know "dancing icons"-problem i already checked permissions and filenamelenght without any success... All files have the following permissions : -rw-r--r- : and are owned by nobody and grouped by nobody (which is the netatalk guest UID in my case). the problem temporary disappears when the users moves around the files ... But after a while it appears again on another folder ...grrr.. i already spend nights in searching the internet for a solution but nothing really solves my problem... I really hope anyone of you can help.... bye, Niko From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Tue Jan 9 14:26:21 2001 Return-Path: Received: from funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.27]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id OAA09944 for ; Tue, 9 Jan 2001 14:26:20 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id OAA27803 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Tue, 9 Jan 2001 14:26:14 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id OAA27777 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Tue, 9 Jan 2001 14:26:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from kanarie.xilay.cxm (cc56962-a.ensch1.ov.nl.home.com [212.204.167.144]) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id OAA27702 for ; Tue, 9 Jan 2001 14:26:11 -0500 (EST) From: netatalk@enschede.dhs.org Received: (from lp@localhost) by kanarie.xilay.cxm (8.10.2/8.10.2/SuSE Linux 8.10.0-0.3) id f09JQTo20469 for netatalk-admins@umich.edu; Tue, 9 Jan 2001 20:26:29 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: kanarie.xilay.cxm: lp set sender to netatalk@enschede.dhs.org using -f To: netatalk-admins@umich.edu Subject: Need urgent help Message-ID: <979068389.3a5b65e59264e@Kanarie> Date: Tue, 09 Jan 2001 20:26:29 +0100 (CET) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: IMP/PHP IMAP webmail program 2.2.3 X-Originating-IP: 192.168.0.1 Follwing line appears a few times a day in the messages: afpd[29274]: setdirowner: chown - 1/0 .AppleDouble/.Parent: Operation not permitted The Mac user gets the message that a volume or file is not found, they have rwx rights as group user and rwx as user, it seems pretty (to open) to me! WorldWide acces is prohibited. I tried chmod g+s afpd but this doesn't seem to work. I'm running SuSE 7.0 with Netatalk with asun patches. With friendly regards, Vincent From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Tue Jan 9 19:28:12 2001 Return-Path: Received: from kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.25]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id TAA19398 for ; Tue, 9 Jan 2001 19:28:11 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id TAA00063 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Tue, 9 Jan 2001 19:28:11 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id TAA00049 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Tue, 9 Jan 2001 19:28:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from moutvdom00.kundenserver.de (moutvdom00.kundenserver.de [195.20.224.149]) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id TAA29983 for ; Tue, 9 Jan 2001 19:28:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from [195.20.224.219] (helo=mrvdom03.kundenserver.de) by moutvdom00.kundenserver.de with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 14G97S-0004Xw-00 for netatalk-admins@umich.edu; Wed, 10 Jan 2001 01:28:02 +0100 Received: from pc19eace2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de ([193.158.172.226]) by mrvdom03.kundenserver.de with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 14G97O-00041z-00 for netatalk-admins@umich.edu; Wed, 10 Jan 2001 01:27:58 +0100 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/9.0.2509 Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 01:26:35 +0100 Subject: Re: Linux ? From: Thomas Schierle To: Netatalk-Admins Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <3A59DCF4.C9C19203@potsdam.edu> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit On 01-01-08 16:29 +0100, Matthew Keller wrote: > Thomas Schierle wrote: >> >> The manual to SuSE 7.0 (kernel already supporting LVM) just says, don't >> enable LVM unless you know exactly what you are doing ... > > SuSe 7.0 isn't running the 2.4.0 kernel, either. The kernel that comes with SuSE 7.0 is feature enriched -- a couple of 2.4.0 kernel features are ported back to kernel 2.2.16. boot.msg contains a line "<6> LVM version 0.8e ..." for me. >> Can you point to some related good readings at the internet? > > There isn't anything good out there yet AFAIK. 2.4.0 just went gold > last week. Thanks, saves me from wasting my time with searches at Google. Looks like I should wait for the kernel upgrade appear at SuSEs web site and take a look at the accompanying docs first. -- Thomas Schierle, Munich, Germany PGP key [DSS/DH] 0xA23CDA1D available at various public key servers From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Tue Jan 9 22:34:46 2001 Return-Path: Received: from easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.26]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id WAA23064 for ; Tue, 9 Jan 2001 22:34:46 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id WAA23378 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Tue, 9 Jan 2001 22:34:46 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id WAA23355 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Tue, 9 Jan 2001 22:34:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from clever.visp-europe.psi.com (clever.visp-europe.psi.com [212.222.105.4]) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id WAA23314 for ; Tue, 9 Jan 2001 22:34:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from n246-36.berlin.snafu.de ([195.21.246.36] helo=athlet.deltaman.de) by clever.visp-europe.psi.com with esmtp (Exim 3.14 #1) id 14GC26-0001Ok-00; Wed, 10 Jan 2001 04:34:42 +0100 Received: from athlet (root@athlet.deltaman.de [192.168.1.1]) by athlet.deltaman.de (8.9.3/8.9.3/SuSE Linux 8.9.3-0.1) with SMTP id EAA26683; Wed, 10 Jan 2001 04:34:05 +0100 From: Carsten Neumann Reply-To: deltor@snafu.de To: linux-mac68k , netatalk-admins@umich.edu Subject: Probably OT: netatalk + printing Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 03:49:58 +0100 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.0.28] Content-Type: text/plain MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <01011004340401.17968@athlet> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu id WAA23064 Hi all, I'm using netatalk (papd) to print from my Mac to a lpd printer on my linux box. When I print from my Mac lpq shows: Warning: queue is not active (no server present). When I print locally everything is fine. If anyone can help please let me know. Thanks Carsten From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Wed Jan 10 00:17:24 2001 Return-Path: Received: from easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.26]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id AAA25510 for ; Wed, 10 Jan 2001 00:17:24 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id AAA29788 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Wed, 10 Jan 2001 00:17:24 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id AAA29770 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Wed, 10 Jan 2001 00:17:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from ans.odi.ca (h24-71-207-132.cg.shawcable.net [24.71.207.132]) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id AAA29731 for ; Wed, 10 Jan 2001 00:17:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from [192.168.1.10] (buzzsaw.internal.froese.org [192.168.1.10]) by ans.odi.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 214184DF3; Tue, 9 Jan 2001 22:17:20 -0700 (MST) User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Tue, 09 Jan 2001 22:17:21 -0700 Subject: Re: Netatalk and NFS From: Darron Froese To: Matthew Keller Cc: Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit on 1/8/01 8:29 AM, Matthew Keller at kellermg@potsdam.edu wrote: > Make sure your time on both NFS server and NFS client are the same- > Down to the second. Check. I just synched them with ntpdate to the same server. > I use the following flags when I mount NFS volumes > for share with Netatalk. You gotta turn off NFS locking because Apple is > lame and is CONSTANTLY writing and reading resource forks while a file > is open (even in the midst of a copy) > > nolock,nosuid,noexec,wsize=8192,bg,nodev,rsize=8192,intr I've got this: soft,intr,user,nolock,nosuid,noexec,nodev,wsize=8192,rsize=8192 I can now read just fine from those NFS shared directories, but I cannot write reliably. I am able to write a file once in a while - but not on command. Usually I get "The item $ITEM cannot be written because of an error of type -50. Would you like to continue?" Of course continuing does nothing. I have found a workaround for the time being - I can copy the file to a non-NFS mounted directory and then *move* it to the NFS mounted directory. The file is fine when I copy it off of the NFS server (via an additional test netatalk server). Any other ideas? -- Darron darron@froese.org From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Wed Jan 10 13:09:26 2001 Return-Path: Received: from funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.27]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id NAA13454 for ; Wed, 10 Jan 2001 13:09:26 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id NAA08692 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Wed, 10 Jan 2001 13:09:21 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id NAA08675 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Wed, 10 Jan 2001 13:09:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from igw1.edipresse.ch (igw1.edipresse.ch [194.209.141.131]) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id NAA08643 for ; Wed, 10 Jan 2001 13:09:18 -0500 (EST) Received: (from root@localhost) by igw1.edipresse.ch (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA22059; Wed, 10 Jan 2001 19:11:22 +0100 (MET) Received: from melob.edipresse.ch(172.16.11.23) by igw1.edipresse.ch via smap (V2.1+anti-relay+anti-spam) id xma022057; Wed, 10 Jan 01 19:11:19 +0100 Received: by melob.edipresse.ch with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Wed, 10 Jan 2001 19:07:17 +0100 Message-ID: <9F9FCF268C46D411B60600508B6F8726A275BD@meloe.edipresse.ch> From: Michalowski Thierry To: "'Darron Froese '" , "'Matthew Keller '" Cc: "'netatalk-admins@umich.edu '" Subject: RE: Netatalk and NFS Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 19:08:44 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C07B30.5EBDFD50" This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C07B30.5EBDFD50 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Hi, Usually, "soft" mounting something is a bad idea (man mount). Unless you exactly know what you're doing, I would recommend against such a thing. Don't know if this could help with netatalk, though... HTH Thierry -----Message d'origine----- De: Darron Froese A: Matthew Keller Cc: netatalk-admins@umich.edu Date: 10/01/01 06:17 Objet: Re: Netatalk and NFS on 1/8/01 8:29 AM, Matthew Keller at kellermg@potsdam.edu wrote: > Make sure your time on both NFS server and NFS client are the same- > Down to the second. Check. I just synched them with ntpdate to the same server. > I use the following flags when I mount NFS volumes > for share with Netatalk. You gotta turn off NFS locking because Apple is > lame and is CONSTANTLY writing and reading resource forks while a file > is open (even in the midst of a copy) > > nolock,nosuid,noexec,wsize=8192,bg,nodev,rsize=8192,intr I've got this: soft,intr,user,nolock,nosuid,noexec,nodev,wsize=8192,rsize=8192 I can now read just fine from those NFS shared directories, but I cannot write reliably. I am able to write a file once in a while - but not on command. Usually I get "The item $ITEM cannot be written because of an error of type -50. Would you like to continue?" Of course continuing does nothing. I have found a workaround for the time being - I can copy the file to a non-NFS mounted directory and then *move* it to the NFS mounted directory. The file is fine when I copy it off of the NFS server (via an additional test netatalk server). Any other ideas? -- Darron darron@froese.org ------_=_NextPart_001_01C07B30.5EBDFD50 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: Netatalk and NFS

Hi,
Usually, "soft" mounting something is a = bad idea (man mount). Unless you exactly know what you're doing, I = would recommend against such a thing.

Don't know if this could help with netatalk, = though...

HTH
Thierry

-----Message d'origine-----
De: Darron Froese
A: Matthew Keller
Cc: netatalk-admins@umich.edu
Date: 10/01/01 06:17
Objet: Re: Netatalk and NFS

on 1/8/01 8:29 AM, Matthew Keller at = kellermg@potsdam.edu wrote:

> Make sure your time on both NFS server and NFS = client are the same-
> Down to the second.

Check. I just synched them with ntpdate to the same = server.

> I use the following flags when I mount NFS = volumes
> for share with Netatalk. You gotta turn off NFS = locking because Apple
is
> lame and is CONSTANTLY writing and reading = resource forks while a file
> is open (even in the midst of a copy)
>
> = nolock,nosuid,noexec,wsize=3D8192,bg,nodev,rsize=3D8192,intr

I've got this:

soft,intr,user,nolock,nosuid,noexec,nodev,wsize=3D8192,rsize=3D= 8192

I can now read just fine from those NFS shared = directories, but I cannot
write reliably. I am able to write a file once in a = while - but not on
command.

Usually I get "The item $ITEM cannot be written = because of an error of
type
-50. Would you like to continue?" Of course = continuing does nothing.

I have found a workaround for the time being - I can = copy the file to a
non-NFS mounted directory and then *move* it to the = NFS mounted
directory.
The file is fine when I copy it off of the NFS = server (via an additional
test netatalk server).

Any other ideas?
--
Darron
darron@froese.org


------_=_NextPart_001_01C07B30.5EBDFD50-- From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Wed Jan 10 13:56:46 2001 Return-Path: Received: from funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.27]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id NAA14788 for ; Wed, 10 Jan 2001 13:56:46 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id NAA12831 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Wed, 10 Jan 2001 13:56:41 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id NAA12817 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Wed, 10 Jan 2001 13:56:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from leonids.lunar.com (leonids.lunar.com [207.33.114.14]) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id NAA12720 for ; Wed, 10 Jan 2001 13:56:35 -0500 (EST) Received: (from miketec@localhost) by leonids.lunar.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/SuSE Linux 8.9.3-0.1) id KAA00485; Wed, 10 Jan 2001 10:57:11 -0800 Message-Id: <200101101857.KAA00485@leonids.lunar.com> Subject: Re: Netatalk and NFS From: Mike Johnson To: Darron Froese Cc: Matthew Keller , netatalk-admins@umich.edu In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain X-Mailer: Evolution 0.8 (Developer Preview) Date: 10 Jan 2001 10:57:11 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Hello, Any time I've gotten a -50 error with a mac, it has been about the server's permissions. You will need to check to make sure you're using the appropriate settings on that. You might find it useful to use the "gid" option with the mount command. "gid=users" can be added to force the contents of your NFS mounts to appear as owned by group "users". You'll probably want the NFS mount to appear under the same group as who you'll be logging in to the netatalk server as. That's my guess at least. Mileage may vary. - Mike Johnson On 09 Jan 2001 22:17:21 -0700, Darron Froese wrote: > on 1/8/01 8:29 AM, Matthew Keller at kellermg@potsdam.edu wrote: > > > Make sure your time on both NFS server and NFS client are the same- > > Down to the second. > > Check. I just synched them with ntpdate to the same server. > > > I use the following flags when I mount NFS volumes > > for share with Netatalk. You gotta turn off NFS locking because Apple is > > lame and is CONSTANTLY writing and reading resource forks while a file > > is open (even in the midst of a copy) > > > > nolock,nosuid,noexec,wsize=8192,bg,nodev,rsize=8192,intr > > I've got this: > > soft,intr,user,nolock,nosuid,noexec,nodev,wsize=8192,rsize=8192 > > I can now read just fine from those NFS shared directories, but I cannot > write reliably. I am able to write a file once in a while - but not on > command. > > Usually I get "The item $ITEM cannot be written because of an error of type > -50. Would you like to continue?" Of course continuing does nothing. > > I have found a workaround for the time being - I can copy the file to a > non-NFS mounted directory and then *move* it to the NFS mounted directory. > The file is fine when I copy it off of the NFS server (via an additional > test netatalk server). > > Any other ideas? > -- > Darron > darron@froese.org > > From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Wed Jan 10 16:10:48 2001 Return-Path: Received: from easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.26]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id QAA19504 for ; Wed, 10 Jan 2001 16:10:48 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id QAA01775 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Wed, 10 Jan 2001 16:10:48 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id QAA01754 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Wed, 10 Jan 2001 16:10:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from opal.biophys.uni-duesseldorf.de (opal.biophys.uni-duesseldorf.de [134.99.176.7]) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id QAA01716 for ; Wed, 10 Jan 2001 16:10:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (schmitz@localhost) by opal.biophys.uni-duesseldorf.de (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f0ALAVU10767; Wed, 10 Jan 2001 22:10:31 +0100 Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 22:10:31 +0100 (CET) From: Michael Schmitz To: linux-mac68k cc: Subject: Re: Probably OT: netatalk + printing In-Reply-To: <01011004340401.17968@athlet> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 10 Jan 2001, Carsten Neumann wrote: > I'm using netatalk (papd) to print from my Mac to a lpd printer on my linux box. > When I print from my Mac lpq shows: > Warning: queue is not active (no server present). > When I print locally everything is fine. > > If anyone can help please let me know. Need more details - what version of Linux is running the netatalk package, is there anything in the syslog on that box either by papd or lpd? I had to adjust a few permissions on the lpd spool and the printer socket with RedHat 6.2. I still have the disks around to look it up - we just upgraded to RedHat 7.0 and papd stopped working altogether due to lpd being replaced by lprng ... Michael From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Wed Jan 10 19:46:18 2001 Return-Path: Received: from funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.27]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id TAA25032 for ; Wed, 10 Jan 2001 19:46:18 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id TAA06010 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Wed, 10 Jan 2001 19:46:12 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id TAA06000 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Wed, 10 Jan 2001 19:46:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from urban.iinet.net.au (urban.iinet.net.au [203.59.24.231]) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id TAA05955 for ; Wed, 10 Jan 2001 19:46:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from popserver-02.iinet.net.au (popserver-02.iinet.net.au [203.59.24.148]) by urban.iinet.net.au (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id IAA16080 for ; Thu, 11 Jan 2001 08:46:11 +0800 Received: from [203.59.191.61] (per-qv1-nas16-61.dlp.iinet.net.au [203.59.191.61]) by popserver-02.iinet.net.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA19291 for ; Thu, 11 Jan 2001 08:46:10 +0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: BLangoulant@203.103.99.141 (Unverified) Message-Id: Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 16:23:26 +0800 To: netatalk-admins@umich.edu From: Brendan Langoulant Subject: Unsubscribe Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Unsubscribe -- Brendan Langoulant Director of Software Engineering From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Wed Jan 10 23:34:35 2001 Return-Path: Received: from easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.26]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id XAA29857 for ; Wed, 10 Jan 2001 23:34:35 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id XAA19298 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Wed, 10 Jan 2001 23:34:35 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id XAA19262 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Wed, 10 Jan 2001 23:34:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from smart.visp-europe.psi.com (smart.visp-europe.psi.com [212.222.105.5]) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id XAA19204 for ; Wed, 10 Jan 2001 23:34:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from n241-25.berlin.snafu.de ([195.21.241.25] helo=athlet.deltaman.de) by smart.visp-europe.psi.com with esmtp (Exim 3.14 #1) id 14GZRX-0005YV-00 for netatalk-admins@umich.edu; Thu, 11 Jan 2001 05:34:31 +0100 Received: from athlet (root@athlet.deltaman.de [192.168.1.1]) by athlet.deltaman.de (8.9.3/8.9.3/SuSE Linux 8.9.3-0.1) with SMTP id FAA09133 for ; Thu, 11 Jan 2001 05:33:42 +0100 From: Carsten Neumann Reply-To: deltor@snafu.de To: netatalk-admins@umich.edu Subject: Re: Probably OT: netatalk + printing Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 04:53:16 +0100 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.0.28] Content-Type: text/plain References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <01011105334203.31083@athlet> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu id XAA29857 On Wed, 10 Jan 2001, Michael Schmitz wrote: > On Wed, 10 Jan 2001, Carsten Neumann wrote: > > > I'm using netatalk (papd) to print from my Mac to a lpd printer on my linux box. > > When I print from my Mac lpq shows: > > Warning: queue is not active (no server present). > > When I print locally everything is fine. > > > > If anyone can help please let me know. > > Need more details - what version of Linux is running the netatalk > package, is there anything in the syslog on that box either by papd or > lpd? > > I had to adjust a few permissions on the lpd spool and the printer socket > with RedHat 6.2. I still have the disks around to look it up - we just > upgraded to RedHat 7.0 and papd stopped working altogether due to lpd > being replaced by lprng ... > > Michael I'm running SuSE 6.3, kernel: 2.2.13, netatalk: 1.4b2+asun2.1.3-30, plp: 4.1.2-77. There are some strange messages in /var/log/messages: Jan 11 03:23:19 athlet papd[5733]: lp_conn_unix connect /dev/printer: Connection refused Jan 11 03:23:19 athlet papd[5733]: lp_print: lp_conn_unix: Connection refused None of my printers is configured with an entry containing "/dev/printer". There is no config file with this string. Seems to be a problem in papd: guesses it has to print to a /dev/printer device!? Could this lead to the problem that the daemon is not started? Seems that replacing lpd by LPRng will not solve my problem. (Thought of this try.) :-( Carsten From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Thu Jan 11 02:09:51 2001 Return-Path: Received: from funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.27]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id CAA03178 for ; Thu, 11 Jan 2001 02:09:51 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id CAA28131 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Thu, 11 Jan 2001 02:09:45 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id CAA28111 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Thu, 11 Jan 2001 02:09:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from bowman.scf.orst.edu (bowman.SCF.ORST.EDU [128.193.161.87]) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id CAA28074 for ; Thu, 11 Jan 2001 02:09:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (morgan@localhost) by bowman.scf.orst.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA10151; Wed, 10 Jan 2001 23:09:45 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: bowman.scf.orst.edu: morgan owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 23:09:45 -0800 (PST) From: andrew morgan X-Sender: To: Carsten Neumann cc: Subject: Re: Probably OT: netatalk + printing In-Reply-To: <01011105334203.31083@athlet> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 11 Jan 2001, Carsten Neumann wrote: > On Wed, 10 Jan 2001, Michael Schmitz wrote: > > On Wed, 10 Jan 2001, Carsten Neumann wrote: > > > > > I'm using netatalk (papd) to print from my Mac to a lpd printer on my linux box. > > > When I print from my Mac lpq shows: > > > Warning: queue is not active (no server present). > > > When I print locally everything is fine. > > > > > > If anyone can help please let me know. > > > > Need more details - what version of Linux is running the netatalk > > package, is there anything in the syslog on that box either by papd or > > lpd? > > > > I had to adjust a few permissions on the lpd spool and the printer socket > > with RedHat 6.2. I still have the disks around to look it up - we just > > upgraded to RedHat 7.0 and papd stopped working altogether due to lpd > > being replaced by lprng ... > > > > Michael > > I'm running SuSE 6.3, kernel: 2.2.13, netatalk: 1.4b2+asun2.1.3-30, plp: 4.1.2-77. > > There are some strange messages in /var/log/messages: > Jan 11 03:23:19 athlet papd[5733]: lp_conn_unix connect /dev/printer: Connection refused > Jan 11 03:23:19 athlet papd[5733]: lp_print: lp_conn_unix: Connection refused > > None of my printers is configured with an entry containing "/dev/printer". > There is no config file with this string. > > Seems to be a problem in papd: guesses it has to print to a /dev/printer device!? > > Could this lead to the problem that the daemon is not started? > > Seems that replacing lpd by LPRng will not solve my problem. (Thought of this try.) :-( Change your papd.conf file so that it doesn't try to place the job in the spool directory itself. You can pipe the print job from papd to your print software with (lpd in this example): my_printer:\ :pr=|/usr/bin/lpr -Plp1: Andy From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Thu Jan 11 03:41:38 2001 Return-Path: Received: from kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.25]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id DAA05040 for ; Thu, 11 Jan 2001 03:41:38 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id DAA19817 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Thu, 11 Jan 2001 03:41:37 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id DAA19794 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Thu, 11 Jan 2001 03:41:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from tsmtp4.mail.isp ([195.235.113.151]) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id DAA19747 for ; Thu, 11 Jan 2001 03:41:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from cubeship.borgspace.alpha ([213.97.106.73]) by tsmtp4.mail.isp (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with ESMTP id G6ZPDS00.J47 for ; Thu, 11 Jan 2001 09:39:28 +0100 Received: from tangy.borgspace.alpha ([10.0.0.3] helo=tangy) by cubeship.borgspace.alpha with smtp (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 14GdIX-00010J-00 for ; Thu, 11 Jan 2001 09:41:29 +0100 Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 09:41:25 +0100 Reply-To: jasonq@usa.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Jason Quigley To: Subject: OS X... Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu id DAA05040 Hi everybody! Now that we've got a firm release date for OSX (March 24th), I'd like to know if anybody has been able to make this OS play well with Netatalk? If so, which version. I would also be interested in compiling a list of OS's people are using to host Netatalk, hardware used and file systems, etc. I am toying with the idea of putting this into a database in order to find the most reliable/cost effective platform. Any comments? Thanks, Jason. From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Thu Jan 11 07:16:09 2001 Return-Path: Received: from funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.27]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id HAA11096 for ; Thu, 11 Jan 2001 07:16:09 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id HAA02168 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Thu, 11 Jan 2001 07:16:03 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id HAA02142 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Thu, 11 Jan 2001 07:16:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.mi-group.com (mail.mi-group.com [195.153.125.3]) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with SMTP id HAA02053 for ; Thu, 11 Jan 2001 07:16:00 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 1771 invoked from network); 11 Jan 2001 12:19:01 -0000 Received: from proxy.mi-group.com (HELO mail.intra.mi-group.com) (195.153.125.10) by mail.mi-group.com with SMTP; 11 Jan 2001 12:19:01 -0000 Received: by mail.com.mi-group.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Thu, 11 Jan 2001 12:16:20 -0000 Message-ID: From: Alexi Margo To: "'netatalk-admins@umich.edu'" Subject: AppleTalk only seems to be semi-functional. Everything works over TCP/IP Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 12:16:10 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Hi, I have seen similar posts in the archives, but no solution. If anyone can help it would be greatly appreciated - I'm sure I've overlooked something really simple, but I'm not sure where to go from here. I've installed the netatalk-1.4b2+asun2.1.4-0.i386 RPM on a RedHat 6.2 box. The machine is appearing in Chooser and if I choose to connect by entering the server's IP address there are no problems. However, if I just "OK" the server name directly from Chooser, I immediately get the response: > No response from server. Please try again. Outputs of the following files: /var/log/messages: Jan 11 10:51:46 miserver1 kernel: NET4: AppleTalk 0.18 for Linux NET4.0 Jan 11 10:51:46 miserver1 atalkd[2203]: restart (1.4b2+asun2.1.4) Jan 11 10:51:47 miserver1 atalkd[2203]: zip_getnetinfo for eth0 Jan 11 10:52:06 miserver1 last message repeated 2 times Jan 11 10:52:16 miserver1 atalkd[2203]: config for no router Jan 11 10:52:17 miserver1 atalkd[2203]: ready 0/0/0 Jan 11 10:52:17 miserver1 atalk: atalkd startup succeeded Jan 11 10:52:29 miserver1 papd[2221]: restart (1.4b2+asun2.1.4) Jan 11 10:52:29 miserver1 atalk: papd startup succeeded Jan 11 10:52:29 miserver1 atalk: afpd startup succeeded Jan 11 10:52:35 miserver1 afpd[2230]: miserver1:AFPServer@* started on 65280.44:128 (1.4b2+asun2.1.4) Jan 11 10:52:35 miserver1 afpd[2230]: ASIP started on 127.0.0.1:548(1) (1.4b2+asun2.1.4) Jan 11 10:52:35 miserver1 afpd[2230]: uam: uams_guest.so loaded Jan 11 10:52:35 miserver1 afpd[2230]: uam: uams_clrtxt.so loaded Jan 11 10:52:35 miserver1 afpd[2230]: uam: uams_dhx.so loaded Jan 11 10:52:35 miserver1 afpd[2230]: uam: "DHCAST128" available Jan 11 10:52:35 miserver1 afpd[2230]: uam: "Cleartxt Passwrd" available Jan 11 10:52:35 miserver1 afpd[2230]: uam: "No User Authent" available $ nbplkup miserver1 miserver1:AFPServer 65280.44:128 miserver1:netatalk 65280.44:4 miserver1:Workstation 65280.44:4 $ nbplkup :Workstation miserver1:Workstation 65280.44:4 Mac ISDN:Workstation 41201.173:4 Mac1:Workstation 41201.237:4 Mac2:Workstation 41201.18:4 Mac3:Workstation 65295.90:4 Mac4:Workstation 65280.198:4 Mac5:Workstation 41201.61:4 Mac6:Workstation 41201.124:4 afpd.conf and atalkd.conf contain only comments. Any ideas? Regards, ********************************************************** Alexi Margo Internet Systems Manager Wildwood Technology Ltd http://www.wwood.co.uk/ t +44-(0)20 8426 7777 f +44-(0)20 8426 5050 ********************************************************** This message is intended only for the use of the person(s) ("the Intended Recipient") to whom it is addressed. It may contain information which is privileged and confidential within the meaning of applicable law. Accordingly any dissemination, distribution, copying or other use of this message or any of its content by any person other than the Intended Recipient may constitute a breach of civil or criminal law and is strictly prohibited. If you are not the Intended Recipient please contact the sender as soon as possible. From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Thu Jan 11 10:40:26 2001 Return-Path: Received: from kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.25]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id KAA17656 for ; Thu, 11 Jan 2001 10:40:25 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id KAA21699 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Thu, 11 Jan 2001 10:40:25 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id KAA21674 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Thu, 11 Jan 2001 10:40:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from bowman.scf.orst.edu (bowman.SCF.ORST.EDU [128.193.161.87]) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id KAA21637 for ; Thu, 11 Jan 2001 10:40:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (morgan@localhost) by bowman.scf.orst.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA11621; Thu, 11 Jan 2001 07:40:14 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: bowman.scf.orst.edu: morgan owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 07:40:14 -0800 (PST) From: andrew morgan X-Sender: To: Alexi Margo cc: "'netatalk-admins@umich.edu'" Subject: Re: AppleTalk only seems to be semi-functional. Everything works over TCP/IP In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 11 Jan 2001, Alexi Margo wrote: > Hi, > > I have seen similar posts in the archives, but no solution. If anyone can > help it would be greatly appreciated - I'm sure I've overlooked something > really simple, but I'm not sure where to go from here. > > I've installed the netatalk-1.4b2+asun2.1.4-0.i386 RPM on a RedHat 6.2 box. > The machine is appearing in Chooser and if I choose to connect by entering > the server's IP address there are no problems. However, if I just "OK" the > server name directly from Chooser, I immediately get the response: > > > No response from server. Please try again. > > Outputs of the following files: > > /var/log/messages: > > Jan 11 10:51:46 miserver1 kernel: NET4: AppleTalk 0.18 for Linux NET4.0 > Jan 11 10:51:46 miserver1 atalkd[2203]: restart (1.4b2+asun2.1.4) > Jan 11 10:51:47 miserver1 atalkd[2203]: zip_getnetinfo for eth0 > Jan 11 10:52:06 miserver1 last message repeated 2 times > Jan 11 10:52:16 miserver1 atalkd[2203]: config for no router > Jan 11 10:52:17 miserver1 atalkd[2203]: ready 0/0/0 > Jan 11 10:52:17 miserver1 atalk: atalkd startup succeeded > Jan 11 10:52:29 miserver1 papd[2221]: restart (1.4b2+asun2.1.4) > Jan 11 10:52:29 miserver1 atalk: papd startup succeeded > Jan 11 10:52:29 miserver1 atalk: afpd startup succeeded > Jan 11 10:52:35 miserver1 afpd[2230]: miserver1:AFPServer@* started on > 65280.44:128 (1.4b2+asun2.1.4) > Jan 11 10:52:35 miserver1 afpd[2230]: ASIP started on 127.0.0.1:548(1) > (1.4b2+asun2.1.4) Look at the line directly above. Afpd is binding to 127.0.01, the loopback address, instead of your real IP address. So when the mac contacts the server over appletalk, your server says, "Contact me on 127.0.0.1", which fails. Have a look at your /etc/hosts file. It should look something like: 127.0.0.1 localhost localhost.localdomain 24.7.138.204 c9544580-a.potlnd1.or.home.com c9544580-a I think you'll find that it only has the 127.0.0.1 address in it, not your real IP address. Andy From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Thu Jan 11 11:37:03 2001 Return-Path: Received: from easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.26]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id LAA20177 for ; Thu, 11 Jan 2001 11:37:03 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id LAA13946 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Thu, 11 Jan 2001 11:37:03 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id LAA13911 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Thu, 11 Jan 2001 11:37:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from post.aecom.yu.edu (post.aecom.yu.edu [129.98.1.4]) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id LAA13845 for ; Thu, 11 Jan 2001 11:36:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from [129.98.91.150] (usseinstein.aecom.yu.edu [129.98.91.150]) by post.aecom.yu.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA01065; Thu, 11 Jan 2001 11:36:57 -0500 (EST) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: mvolaski@mailserver.aecom.yu.edu Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 11:36:57 -0500 To: netatalk-admins@umich.edu From: Maurice Volaski Subject: Re: OS X... Cc: jasonq@usa.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" >Hi everybody! > >Now that we've got a firm release date for OSX (March 24th), I'd >like to know if anybody has been able to make this OS play well with >Netatalk? If so, which version. > >I would also be interested in compiling a list of OS's people are >using to host Netatalk, hardware used and file systems, etc. I am >toying with the idea of putting this into a database in order to >find the most reliable/cost effective platform. Any comments? Check out the third paragraph below... I want to let people know there are two issues with Mac OS X Server 1.2. There is no good reason to believe that the Mac OS X Beta is not similarly affected. The first problem occurs when attempting to fsck a UFS volume. fsck will hang when executed. The problem occurs when using the Infortrend IFT-3102U2G RAID controller on a 400GB volume. This hang will occur even on a freshly-initialized disk in single-user mode. This problem may be related to the volume size and not the RAID controller (as I had previously believed). If you are using a relatively large disk or any type of hardware RAID, you should backup your data and then test whether a forced fsck works. The second problem concerns HFS+. It happens when using netatalk or samba to copy very large files (>> 100 MB) to the server, which will cause the server (and hence the client) to stall. The larger the file the longer the stall. For example, a 760MB file stalls for about 46 seconds. For files about 1 GB in size, the copy can fail and the connection to the server lost! Under Apple File Services, this stall occurs only when the file copy is cancelled during mid-copy. This issue appears to occur on all HFS+ formatted volumes. -- Maurice Volaski, mvolaski@aecom.yu.edu Computing Support, Rose F. Kennedy Center Albert Einstein College of Medicine of Yeshiva University From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Thu Jan 11 15:02:27 2001 Return-Path: Received: from funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.27]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id PAA27558 for ; Thu, 11 Jan 2001 15:02:27 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id PAA24875 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Thu, 11 Jan 2001 15:02:21 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id PAA24861 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Thu, 11 Jan 2001 15:02:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from smart.visp-europe.psi.com (smart.visp-europe.psi.com [212.222.105.5]) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id PAA24540 for ; Thu, 11 Jan 2001 15:02:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from n65-78.berlin.snafu.de ([194.42.65.78] helo=athlet.deltaman.de) by smart.visp-europe.psi.com with esmtp (Exim 3.14 #1) id 14GnvI-0000yq-00 for netatalk-admins@umich.edu; Thu, 11 Jan 2001 21:02:13 +0100 Received: from athlet (root@athlet.deltaman.de [192.168.1.1]) by athlet.deltaman.de (8.9.3/8.9.3/SuSE Linux 8.9.3-0.1) with SMTP id UAA11761 for ; Thu, 11 Jan 2001 20:53:40 +0100 From: Carsten Neumann Reply-To: deltor@snafu.de To: netatalk-admins@umich.edu Subject: Re: AppleTalk only seems to be semi-functional. Everything works over TCP/IP Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 20:48:32 +0100 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.0.28] Content-Type: text/plain References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <01011120533900.11723@athlet> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu id PAA27558 On Thu, 11 Jan 2001, Alexi Margo wrote: > Hi, > > I have seen similar posts in the archives, but no solution. If anyone can > help it would be greatly appreciated - I'm sure I've overlooked something > really simple, but I'm not sure where to go from here. > > I've installed the netatalk-1.4b2+asun2.1.4-0.i386 RPM on a RedHat 6.2 box. > The machine is appearing in Chooser and if I choose to connect by entering > the server's IP address there are no problems. However, if I just "OK" the > server name directly from Chooser, I immediately get the response: > > > No response from server. Please try again. Could be a DNS related problem? Have you configured your name server correctly? NBP seems not responsible since you're going IP. Carsten From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Thu Jan 11 17:38:11 2001 Return-Path: Received: from easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.26]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id RAA02317 for ; Thu, 11 Jan 2001 17:38:11 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id RAA27736 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Thu, 11 Jan 2001 17:38:11 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id RAA27715 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Thu, 11 Jan 2001 17:38:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from mailout02.sul.t-online.com (mailout02.sul.t-online.com [194.25.134.17]) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id RAA27655 for ; Thu, 11 Jan 2001 17:38:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from fwd02.sul.t-online.com by mailout02.sul.t-online.com with smtp id 14GqMA-0001at-07; Thu, 11 Jan 2001 23:38:06 +0100 Received: from server.linau.de (320064501249-0002@[193.159.26.84]) by fmrl02.sul.t-online.com with esmtp id 14GqM4-0DkAYyC; Thu, 11 Jan 2001 23:38:00 +0100 Received: from [192.168.2.2] (pulsar.linau.de [192.168.2.2]) by server.linau.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA07827 for ; Thu, 11 Jan 2001 23:37:17 +0100 Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailreader: Eudora 4.3.1 Macintosh Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 23:37:01 +0100 To: From: Christian Schmidt Subject: Re: AppleTalk only seems to be semi-functional. Everything works over TCP/IP Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-Sender: 320064501249-0002@t-dialin.net Alexi Margo schrieb am 11.01.2001: > Jan 11 10:52:35 miserver1 afpd[2230]: ASIP started on 127.0.0.1:548(1) Well - try editing your atalkd.conf and tell netatalk which network interface to use. 127.0.0.1 is the loopback interface... hth, Christian -- Made with a Macintosh... ChriSchmi@t-online.de http://home.t-online.de/home/chrischmi/ From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Thu Jan 11 21:22:44 2001 Return-Path: Received: from kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.25]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id VAA07289 for ; Thu, 11 Jan 2001 21:22:44 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id VAA20605 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Thu, 11 Jan 2001 21:22:44 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id VAA20600 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Thu, 11 Jan 2001 21:22:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from schilling.ucdavis.edu (schilling.ucdavis.edu [169.237.105.1]) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id VAA20589 for ; Thu, 11 Jan 2001 21:22:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from prometheus.mailbox.ucdavis.edu (iras-3-72.ucdavis.edu [169.237.17.72]) by schilling.ucdavis.edu (8.11.1/8.11.0/IT4.4.8) with ESMTP id f0C2MdF23749; Thu, 11 Jan 2001 18:22:39 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <5.0.2.1.0.20010111181618.009fbd80@127.0.0.1> X-Sender: itlm019/mailbox.ucdavis.edu@127.0.0.1 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0.2 Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 18:19:53 -0800 To: Maurice Volaski , netatalk-admins@umich.edu From: "Marc J. Miller" Subject: Re: OS X... Cc: jasonq@usa.net In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed I've noticed this when simply copying files from my Zip drive to a linux ext2 partition as well. I have a theory that it's buffering the read, stops when the buffer is full to write the data to the hard drive, and then continues. If that's what it is, an increase in RAM may speed things up (or at least delay the system stall). At 11:36 AM 1/11/01 -0500, Maurice Volaski wrote: >>Hi everybody! >> >>Now that we've got a firm release date for OSX (March 24th), I'd like to >>know if anybody has been able to make this OS play well with Netatalk? If >>so, which version. >> >>I would also be interested in compiling a list of OS's people are using >>to host Netatalk, hardware used and file systems, etc. I am toying with >>the idea of putting this into a database in order to find the most >>reliable/cost effective platform. Any comments? > >Check out the third paragraph below... > >I want to let people know there are two issues with Mac OS X Server 1.2. >There is no good reason to believe that the Mac OS X Beta is not similarly >affected. > >The first problem occurs when attempting to fsck a UFS volume. fsck will >hang when executed. The problem occurs when using the Infortrend >IFT-3102U2G RAID controller on a 400GB volume. This hang will occur even >on a freshly-initialized disk in single-user mode. This problem may be >related to the volume size and not the RAID controller (as I had >previously believed). If you are using a relatively large disk or any type >of hardware RAID, you should backup your data and then test whether a >forced fsck works. > >The second problem concerns HFS+. It happens when using netatalk or samba >to copy very large files (>> 100 MB) to the server, which will cause the >server (and hence the client) to stall. The larger the file the longer the >stall. For example, a 760MB file stalls for about 46 seconds. For files >about 1 GB in size, the copy can fail and the connection to the server lost! >Under Apple File Services, this stall occurs only when the file copy is >cancelled during mid-copy. This issue appears to occur on all HFS+ >formatted volumes. >-- > >Maurice Volaski, mvolaski@aecom.yu.edu >Computing Support, Rose F. Kennedy Center >Albert Einstein College of Medicine of Yeshiva University From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Fri Jan 12 06:22:24 2001 Return-Path: Received: from easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.26]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id GAA19495 for ; Fri, 12 Jan 2001 06:22:24 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id GAA23769 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Fri, 12 Jan 2001 06:22:24 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id GAA23753 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Fri, 12 Jan 2001 06:22:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp01.oce.nl (smtp01.oce.nl [134.188.1.25]) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id GAA23715 for ; Fri, 12 Jan 2001 06:22:22 -0500 (EST) Received: (from root@localhost) by smtp01.oce.nl (8.10.0/8.10.0) id f0CBMKo14732 for netatalk-admins@umich.edu.PROCMAIL; Fri, 12 Jan 2001 12:22:20 +0100 (MET) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by smtp01.oce.nl (8.10.0/8.10.0) id f0CBMIs14695; Fri, 12 Jan 2001 12:22:18 +0100 (MET) Received: from smtp05(134.188.1.26) by smtp01.oce.nl via smap (V2.1) id xma014535; Fri, 12 Jan 01 12:21:45 +0100 Received: (from uucp@localhost) by smtp05.oce.nl (8.9.0/8.9.0) id MAA15352; Fri, 12 Jan 2001 12:21:44 +0100 (MET) >Received: from oce.nl (pc3-spij.oce.nl [134.188.163.66]) by smtp02.oce.nl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA20274; Fri, 12 Jan 2001 12:13:00 +0100 (MET) Sender: spij@oce.nl Message-ID: <3A5EE08D.26EA608F@oce.nl> Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 11:46:37 +0100 From: Hans Spijkerbosch Organization: Oce Technologies B.V. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.14 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Richard Goldberg CC: netatalk-admins@umich.edu Subject: Re: printer spooling... References: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Richard Goldberg wrote: > > Hi all, > > Our lab has lots of Macs with a sun server running netatalk for file > sharing. We have 4 printers set up to accept print jobs directly from > the macs over apple-talk. We would like to move the printers onto the > net-atalk server to keep things centralized. > > We put them in the papd file and it generally works fine, with the > exception of a few computers. One running OS 8.1 and one running OSX > (current beta). We think the problem might have something to do with the > print jobs needing extra fonts. > > Here's a question: How does the spooling process deal with downloading > fonts to the printer? (I.e. the fonts are on the client computer, the > printer finds out when it gets the document from the server that it > needs a couple extra fonts from the client computer, but now its getting > its info from a spool file on the server, rather than from the client > computer. > Apple laserwriters performs a 'feature query', in which it ask the printer lots of questions about the printer itself and a list of the available fonts. Knowing this, The laserwriter can setup a desktop printer without asking what ppd file it must use, and more importantly in your case, it only download the fonts with each printjob that are not present on the printer. I have not digged into the netatalk source code (yet) so I am not sure about it, but I think this is not implemented. --Hans Spijkerbosch--- From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Fri Jan 12 08:10:48 2001 Return-Path: Received: from easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.26]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id IAA21652 for ; Fri, 12 Jan 2001 08:10:48 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id IAA25297 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Fri, 12 Jan 2001 08:10:48 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id IAA25265 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Fri, 12 Jan 2001 08:10:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from tsmtp1.mail.isp ([195.235.113.141]) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id IAA25207 for ; Fri, 12 Jan 2001 08:10:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from cubeship.borgspace.alpha ([213.97.106.73]) by tsmtp1.mail.isp (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with ESMTP id G71WIE00.VKA for ; Fri, 12 Jan 2001 14:08:38 +0100 Received: from tangy.borgspace.alpha ([10.0.0.3] helo=tangy) by cubeship.borgspace.alpha with smtp (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 14H3yX-0001NZ-00 for ; Fri, 12 Jan 2001 14:10:37 +0100 Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 14:10:34 +0100 Reply-To: jasonq@usa.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Jason Quigley To: netatalk-admins@umich.edu Subject: Re: OS X... Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu id IAA21652 Has anybody figured out yet why a lot of the files on the server show as 0KB? There is also the problem of copying to the server causing -36 errors. I don't think it's permissions as doing the same from OS9 gives no problems. Yet another problem is deleting items. I always get a dialog stating that the file will be deleted immediately. Maurice, where did the message that you posted come from? I'd like to read more. Cheers, Jason. On Friday, January 12, 2001, at 03:19 AM, Marc J. Miller wrote: > I've noticed this when simply copying files from my Zip drive to a linux > ext2 partition as well. I have a theory that it's buffering the read, > stops when the buffer is full to write the data to the hard drive, and then > continues. If that's what it is, an increase in RAM may speed things up > (or at least delay the system stall). > > At 11:36 AM 1/11/01 -0500, Maurice Volaski wrote: > >>Hi everybody! > >> > >>Now that we've got a firm release date for OSX (March 24th), I'd like to > >>know if anybody has been able to make this OS play well with Netatalk? If > >>so, which version. > >> > >>I would also be interested in compiling a list of OS's people are using > >>to host Netatalk, hardware used and file systems, etc. I am toying with > >>the idea of putting this into a database in order to find the most > >>reliable/cost effective platform. Any comments? > > > >Check out the third paragraph below... > > > >I want to let people know there are two issues with Mac OS X Server 1.2. > >There is no good reason to believe that the Mac OS X Beta is not similarly > >affected. > > > >The first problem occurs when attempting to fsck a UFS volume. fsck will > >hang when executed. The problem occurs when using the Infortrend > >IFT-3102U2G RAID controller on a 400GB volume. This hang will occur even > >on a freshly-initialized disk in single-user mode. This problem may be > >related to the volume size and not the RAID controller (as I had > >previously believed). If you are using a relatively large disk or any type > >of hardware RAID, you should backup your data and then test whether a > >forced fsck works. > > > >The second problem concerns HFS+. It happens when using netatalk or samba > >to copy very large files (>> 100 MB) to the server, which will cause the > >server (and hence the client) to stall. The larger the file the longer the > >stall. For example, a 760MB file stalls for about 46 seconds. For files > >about 1 GB in size, the copy can fail and the connection to the server lost! > >Under Apple File Services, this stall occurs only when the file copy is > >cancelled during mid-copy. This issue appears to occur on all HFS+ > >formatted volumes. > >-- > > > >Maurice Volaski, mvolaski@aecom.yu.edu > >Computing Support, Rose F. Kennedy Center > >Albert Einstein College of Medicine of Yeshiva University > > > > From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Fri Jan 12 10:01:22 2001 Return-Path: Received: from easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.26]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id KAA24841 for ; Fri, 12 Jan 2001 10:01:22 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id KAA03994 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Fri, 12 Jan 2001 10:01:21 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id KAA03963 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Fri, 12 Jan 2001 10:01:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from post.aecom.yu.edu (post.aecom.yu.edu [129.98.1.4]) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id KAA03730 for ; Fri, 12 Jan 2001 10:01:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from [129.98.91.150] (usseinstein.aecom.yu.edu [129.98.91.150]) by post.aecom.yu.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA10233; Fri, 12 Jan 2001 10:01:04 -0500 (EST) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: mvolaski@mailserver.aecom.yu.edu Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <5.0.2.1.0.20010111181618.009fbd80@127.0.0.1> References: <5.0.2.1.0.20010111181618.009fbd80@127.0.0.1> Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 10:00:57 -0500 To: "Marc J. Miller" From: Maurice Volaski Subject: Re: OS X... Cc: netatalk-admins@umich.edu Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" >I've noticed this when simply copying files from my Zip drive to a >linux ext2 partition as well. I have a theory that it's buffering >the read, stops when the buffer is full to write the data to the >hard drive, and then continues. If that's what it is, an increase >in RAM may speed things up (or at least delay the system stall). > The problem I am referring to is due to Mac OS X Server's misbehavior, not netatalk. -- Maurice Volaski, mvolaski@aecom.yu.edu Computing Support, Rose F. Kennedy Center Albert Einstein College of Medicine of Yeshiva University From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Fri Jan 12 10:02:30 2001 Return-Path: Received: from funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.27]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id KAA24882 for ; Fri, 12 Jan 2001 10:02:30 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id KAA03577 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Fri, 12 Jan 2001 10:02:25 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id KAA03542 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Fri, 12 Jan 2001 10:02:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from post.aecom.yu.edu (post.aecom.yu.edu [129.98.1.4]) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id KAA03432 for ; Fri, 12 Jan 2001 10:02:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from [129.98.91.150] (usseinstein.aecom.yu.edu [129.98.91.150]) by post.aecom.yu.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA10734; Fri, 12 Jan 2001 10:02:23 -0500 (EST) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: mvolaski@mailserver.aecom.yu.edu Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 10:02:18 -0500 To: jasonq@usa.net From: Maurice Volaski Subject: Re: OS X... Cc: netatalk-admins@umich.edu Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" >Maurice, where did the message that you posted come from? I'd like >to read more. Me :-) They have been officially recorded as bugs by Apple. -- Maurice Volaski, mvolaski@aecom.yu.edu Computing Support, Rose F. Kennedy Center Albert Einstein College of Medicine of Yeshiva University From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Fri Jan 12 14:49:54 2001 Return-Path: Received: from kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.25]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id OAA04219 for ; Fri, 12 Jan 2001 14:49:54 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id OAA05451 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Fri, 12 Jan 2001 14:49:54 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id OAA05429 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Fri, 12 Jan 2001 14:49:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.iu13.k12.pa.us (mail.iu13.k12.pa.us [204.171.195.51]) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id OAA05393 for ; Fri, 12 Jan 2001 14:49:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from melange.iu13.k12.pa.us (melange.iu13.k12.pa.us [172.19.5.125]) by mail.iu13.k12.pa.us (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA07210; Fri, 12 Jan 2001 14:49:40 -0500 Received: from myer (helo=localhost) by melange.iu13.k12.pa.us with local-esmtp (Exim 3.20 #1 (Debian)) id 14HACh-0000ha-00; Fri, 12 Jan 2001 14:49:39 -0500 Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 14:49:38 -0500 (EST) From: "Kevin M. Myer" To: netatalk-devel@lists.sourceforge.net cc: netatalk-admins@umich.edu Subject: Sourceforge 1.5pre3 (and earlier) RPMS have broken flock support on Linux Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: "Kevin M. Myer" Hello, I posted a message a few weeks ago about a problem I was seeing here relating to file locking. I was running a stock netatalk 1.5pre3 installation from the Sourceforge RPM and it was brought to my attention by our users that there could be multiple read/write instances for any file on the server. Upon investigation, I found that here was not a single lock being created. I received no responses from the lists so I'm not sure if I'm an isolated case or if no one cares that their netatalk servers aren't locking :) Anyway, after a lot of testing and trying to understand how the locking was working and a lot of recompiling, I figured out that the --enable-flock-locks option to configure was what was breaking the locking. When I just let if use fcntl to do the locking, everything works perfectly. What this means is that at the very least, the Sourceforge 1.5pre3 (and probably earlier releases) is broken with respect to x86 Linux architectures. I think I recall reading somewhere that flock was at one time broken under Linux so maybe its an operating system issue. In any case, I'd recommend against using --enable-flock-locks if you're using x86 Linux. So far, I've reproduced the problem on every x86 machine I've tried. I thought it might be related to the kernel on our SMP machine which has a large file system patch on it but a uniprocessor stock 2.2.16 kernel has the some locking problems. If anyone could enlighten me as to whether this is a kernel issue or if its netatalk specific, it would help with further isolating the bug. Thanks, Kevin -- Kevin M. Myer Systems Administrator Lancaster-Lebanon Intermediate Unit 13 (717)-560-6140 From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Fri Jan 12 17:28:44 2001 Return-Path: Received: from easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.26]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id RAA08742 for ; Fri, 12 Jan 2001 17:28:44 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id RAA01654 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Fri, 12 Jan 2001 17:28:44 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id RAA01605 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Fri, 12 Jan 2001 17:28:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from maverick.netonecom.net (nci.netonecom.net [209.172.26.3]) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id RAA01564 for ; Fri, 12 Jan 2001 17:28:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from srbadmin (cad-47.netonecom.net [207.142.163.47]) by maverick.netonecom.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id RAA29574 for ; Fri, 12 Jan 2001 17:28:39 -0500 Message-ID: <000001c07ce7$4919efa0$1d00a8c0@creativeinkcorp.com> Reply-To: "Scott Burnham" From: "Scott Burnham" To: Subject: Basic permissions questions Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 17:26:35 -0500 Organization: Creative Ink Corporation MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Hello, I have a LinuxPPC 2000 box running netatalk1.4b2+asun 2.1.3-7. The sole share is a RAID (/mnt/gsraid). I don't use individual .AppleVolumes files; this is just one big chunk of storage for a few graphics artists. Basically, all works fine, I sorted out user/group configurations & logins, but there are two things that bug me: 1. Is there a secret to getting each user a trash folder? 2. Is it normal for two users to be able to open the same document at the same time? This leads to a "last person to save wins" situation which could be sort of tragic. Thanks to all, Scott Burnham Creative Ink From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Fri Jan 12 18:13:58 2001 Return-Path: Received: from kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.25]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id SAA09852 for ; Fri, 12 Jan 2001 18:13:58 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id SAA00794 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Fri, 12 Jan 2001 18:13:58 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id SAA00752 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Fri, 12 Jan 2001 18:13:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from logan.ucdavis.edu (logan.ucdavis.edu [169.237.105.35]) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id SAA25035 for ; Fri, 12 Jan 2001 18:10:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (itlm019@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by logan.ucdavis.edu (8.11.1/8.11.0/IT4.4.8) with ESMTP id f0CNATk20534; Fri, 12 Jan 2001 15:10:29 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 15:10:29 -0800 (PST) From: Marc Miller X-Sender: itlm019@logan.ucdavis.edu To: Scott Burnham cc: netatalk-admins@umich.edu Subject: Re: Basic permissions questions In-Reply-To: <000001c07ce7$4919efa0$1d00a8c0@creativeinkcorp.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Fri, 12 Jan 2001, Scott Burnham wrote: > 1. Is there a secret to getting each user a trash folder? I've noticed that MacOS seems to handle that on its own. I've found no code in netatalk to specifically handle the trash, and it has worked fine in all of my tests, starting with 1.4b2+asun2.1.4 > 2. Is it normal for two users to be able to open the same document at the > same time? This leads to a "last person to save wins" situation which could > be sort of tragic. I saw another posting about file locking earlier today. I've never had a problem with it. If two users open up the same Word file on the server, for example, the second person to access it is asked if they want to open it read-only since the file is already in use by someone else. *shrug* ============================================================ /\/\arc ._|. /\/\iller (itlm019@mailbox.ucdavis.edu) Computer Room Consultant Information Technology/Lab Management ============================================================ I can be contacted through the Communication Center link from http://www.mother.com/~mjmiller/ From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Sat Jan 13 15:04:33 2001 Return-Path: Received: from kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.25]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id PAA03173 for ; Sat, 13 Jan 2001 15:04:33 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id PAA03894 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Sat, 13 Jan 2001 15:04:33 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id PAA03875 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Sat, 13 Jan 2001 15:04:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp8.xs4all.nl (smtp8.xs4all.nl [194.109.127.134]) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id PAA03784 for ; Sat, 13 Jan 2001 15:04:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from asterix.xs4all.nl (asterix.xs4all.nl [194.109.6.11]) by smtp8.xs4all.nl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA23821 for ; Sat, 13 Jan 2001 21:04:27 +0100 (CET) Received: from gildewg.xs4all.nl (uucp@localhost) by asterix.xs4all.nl (8.9.1/8.9.1) with UUCP id VAA04456 for netatalk-admins@umich.edu; Sat, 13 Jan 2001 21:04:24 +0100 (CET) Received: (from oorschot@localhost) by gildewg.xs4all.nl (8.10.2/8.10.2) id f0DJraJ09307; Sat, 13 Jan 2001 20:53:36 +0100 Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2001 20:53:36 +0100 Message-Id: <200101131953.f0DJraJ09307@gildewg.xs4all.nl> X-Authentication-Warning: gildewg.xs4all.nl: oorschot set sender to eric@gildewg.xs4all.nl using -f From: Eric van Oorschot To: netatalk-admins@umich.edu Subject: netatalk-1.4.99-0.20001108 and MAC OS 9.0.4 I've build netatalk using netatalk-1.4.99 and am using Linux 2.2.16 and MAC OS 9.0.4. I did "configure -with-passw" and still I only get guest access on my MAC. I my /var/adm/messages file is see uam-guest.so loaded, but when I want to load other libs, nothing gets printed in /var/adm/messages. Does anyone have an idea how i can use my 'normal' Linux accounts on the MAC ? -- Eric (H.M.G.) van Oorschot Rotterdam the Netherlands No HomePage http://www.xs4all.nl/~hmgvo ========================================================================= From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Sun Jan 14 11:09:14 2001 Return-Path: Received: from funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.27]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id LAA25899 for ; Sun, 14 Jan 2001 11:09:14 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id LAA00703 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Sun, 14 Jan 2001 11:09:07 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id LAA00695 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Sun, 14 Jan 2001 11:09:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from mailout04.sul.t-online.com (mailout04.sul.t-online.com [194.25.134.18]) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id LAA00674 for ; Sun, 14 Jan 2001 11:09:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from fwd02.sul.t-online.com by mailout04.sul.t-online.com with smtp id 14HpiQ-0007rJ-03; Sun, 14 Jan 2001 17:09:10 +0100 Received: from thor.germania.lan (320085926067-0001@[217.88.67.69]) by fmrl02.sul.t-online.com with esmtp id 14HpiD-2GNBuyC; Sun, 14 Jan 2001 17:08:57 +0100 Received: by thor.germania.lan (Postfix, from userid 501) id AC2F25F72; Sun, 14 Jan 2001 17:08:49 +0100 (CET) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by thor.germania.lan (Postfix) with ESMTP id E16A25F71 for ; Sun, 14 Jan 2001 17:08:48 +0100 (CET) Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2001 17:08:47 +0100 (CET) From: Claus Atzenbeck To: netatalk mailing list Subject: printer doesn't work anymore Message-ID: Organization: Atzenbeck. Data structures & design MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Sender: 320085926067-0001@t-dialin.net It used to work, but now I am not able to print anymore. I have netatalk-1.4.99-0.20001108mdk installed. My Mac is running MacOS 8.6 My papd.conf has several entries like this: HL-1250 (save 25%):\ :pr=|/usr/bin/lpr -Ps25:op=claus:\ :pd=file:/usr/share/cups/model/Brother/HL-1250-hl1250.ppd: My netatalk.conf has the line: AFPD_UAMLIST="-U uams_clrtxt.so" I used to have a secure connection, but after I changed my password on Linux, I didn't get a connection to my Linux box anymore, although I deleted afppasswd file and created a new one. Now, I can access my Linux box (but insecure), but the printer doesn't work anymore. The only thing what happens is that my Linux box gets an empty file to my printer. Please give me some help. What could be wrong? Thanks so much! From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Mon Jan 15 03:40:11 2001 Return-Path: Received: from easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.26]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id DAA20373 for ; Mon, 15 Jan 2001 03:40:11 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id DAA24566 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Mon, 15 Jan 2001 03:40:11 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id DAA24543 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Mon, 15 Jan 2001 03:40:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.imco.nl ([193.67.89.10]) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id DAA24494 for ; Mon, 15 Jan 2001 03:40:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from imco.nl (IDENT:centauri@menno.imco.nl [193.67.89.139]) by mail.imco.nl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA12180 for ; Mon, 15 Jan 2001 09:38:47 +0100 Sender: centauri@mail.imco.nl Message-ID: <3A630C2C.7FD42A6F@imco.nl> Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 09:41:48 -0500 From: Menno Bockweg X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.16-22 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: netatalk-admins@umich.edu Subject: file / directory permissions Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hey all, I've set up an netatalk server. The mac-users are organised in various groups. Each group has it's own netatalk-volume. Each user is also member of a "main" group. The main group (all users together) have access to another netatalk-volume. The permission of the directory of this "main"-volume should be ok, the groupbits are set to "rws" (chmod 2770..). Everything seems te be okay... The members can create directories in the directory-root of the volume, move / create files in their own created directories... but (!) they cannot create / move files to the root directory. When they try to do so, they get an error messages "You don't have the permissions to ... blah blah ...". What's happening here ?? They have the right permissions to create directories but not to create files ?!?!? Really hope anyone could help me out here, Thanx! Menno From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Mon Jan 15 03:56:47 2001 Return-Path: Received: from easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.26]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id DAA20707 for ; Mon, 15 Jan 2001 03:56:46 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id DAA02801 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Mon, 15 Jan 2001 03:56:46 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id DAA02771 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Mon, 15 Jan 2001 03:56:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from specialreserve.net (www3.reserve.co.uk [195.216.17.3]) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id DAA02710 for ; Mon, 15 Jan 2001 03:56:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from [192.168.1.57] (195.216.17.40) by specialreserve.net with ESMTP (Eudora Internet Mail Server 2.2.2); Mon, 15 Jan 2001 08:56:34 +0000 User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 08:56:35 +0000 Subject: Re: Basic permissions questions From: Basil Hussain To: Marc Miller , Scott Burnham CC: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Organization: Inter-Mediates Ltd. Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Hi, >> 2. Is it normal for two users to be able to open the same document at the >> same time? This leads to a "last person to save wins" situation which could >> be sort of tragic. Well, that's why people invented version control systems, like CVS and MS SourceSafe... :) > I saw another posting about file locking earlier today. I've never had a > problem with it. If two users open up the same Word file on the server, > for example, the second person to access it is asked if they want to open > it read-only since the file is already in use by someone else. *shrug* It sounds to me like that's maybe just MS Word doing that itself somehow. Through various versions of Netatalk installed on our servers I've never seen this happen using something like BBEdit or Photoshop on shared files. Regards, ------------------------------------------------ Basil Hussain (basil.hussain@specialreserve.net) From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Mon Jan 15 04:03:22 2001 Return-Path: Received: from kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.25]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id EAA20968 for ; Mon, 15 Jan 2001 04:03:22 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id EAA20320 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Mon, 15 Jan 2001 04:03:22 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id EAA20290 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Mon, 15 Jan 2001 04:03:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from postman2.zippel.de ([195.14.243.83]) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id EAA20209 for ; Mon, 15 Jan 2001 04:03:20 -0500 (EST) Received: by postman2.zippel.de with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Mon, 15 Jan 2001 10:02:34 +0100 Message-ID: <1D499C82F0D4E141BAF3A30B3B197ECF74D5DB@postman2.zippel.de> From: "Wahl, Thorsten" To: netatalk-devel@lists.sourceforge.net, netatalk-admins@umich.edu Subject: unsubscribe Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 10:02:32 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu id EAA20968 Dear anybody, please unsubscribe me from the newsletter and infoforum, my account is failure und loop the hole mails. Please, it is urgent! Thanks Thorsten > -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- > Von: Kevin M. Myer [SMTP:kevin_myer@iu13.k12.pa.us] > Gesendet am: Freitag, 12. Januar 2001 20:50 > An: netatalk-devel@lists.sourceforge.net > Cc: netatalk-admins@umich.edu > Betreff: Sourceforge 1.5pre3 (and earlier) RPMS have broken flock > support on Linux > > Hello, > > I posted a message a few weeks ago about a problem I was seeing here > relating to file locking. I was running a stock netatalk 1.5pre3 > installation from the Sourceforge RPM and it was brought to my attention > by our users that there could be multiple read/write instances for any > file on the server. Upon investigation, I found that here was not a > single lock being created. I received no responses from the lists so I'm > not sure if I'm an isolated case or if no one cares that their netatalk > servers aren't locking :) > > Anyway, after a lot of testing and trying to understand how the locking > was working and a lot of recompiling, I figured out that the > --enable-flock-locks option to configure was what was breaking the > locking. When I just let if use fcntl to do the locking, everything works > perfectly. > > What this means is that at the very least, the Sourceforge 1.5pre3 (and > probably earlier releases) is broken with respect to x86 Linux > architectures. I think I recall reading somewhere that flock was at one > time broken under Linux so maybe its an operating system issue. In any > case, I'd recommend against using --enable-flock-locks if you're using x86 > Linux. > > So far, I've reproduced the problem on every x86 machine I've tried. I > thought it might be related to the kernel on our SMP machine which has a > large file system patch on it but a uniprocessor stock 2.2.16 kernel has > the some locking problems. > > If anyone could enlighten me as to whether this is a kernel issue or if > its netatalk specific, it would help with further isolating the bug. > > Thanks, > > Kevin > > -- > Kevin M. Myer > Systems Administrator > Lancaster-Lebanon Intermediate Unit 13 > (717)-560-6140 From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Mon Jan 15 05:46:05 2001 Return-Path: Received: from kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.25]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id FAA23054 for ; Mon, 15 Jan 2001 05:46:05 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id FAA02047 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Mon, 15 Jan 2001 05:46:05 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id FAA02012 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Mon, 15 Jan 2001 05:46:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from trinity.magpage.com (trinity.magpage.com [216.155.0.8]) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id FAA01955 for ; Mon, 15 Jan 2001 05:46:03 -0500 (EST) Received: (from www@localhost) by trinity.magpage.com (8.11.1/8.11.1) id f0FAk2b08476 for netatalk-admins@umich.edu; Mon, 15 Jan 2001 05:46:02 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: trinity.magpage.com: www set sender to ryan@mobiusnm.com using -f To: netatalk-admins@umich.edu Subject: Re: file / directory permissions Message-ID: <979555562.3a62d4eaa76f2@webmail.magpage.com> Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 05:46:02 -0500 (EST) From: Ryan McBeth References: <3A630C2C.7FD42A6F@imco.nl> In-Reply-To: <3A630C2C.7FD42A6F@imco.nl> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: IMP/PHP IMAP webmail program 2.2.3 Menno, You might not really want them to create files in the / directory. If you take a look at the unix file system, there are some standard directories that will always be there, /etc, /usr, and so on. You really don't want that file system filling up with junk, or allowing a user to overwrite your /etc/hosts file. I would create a directory in / called "/opt". This is one way of telling users that "This is the place for everything else." If you want to get really creative, you could create "/opt/marketing" for marketing people, "/opt/devel" for developers and "/opt/general" for communication between the two. Let me know how it turns out. Ryan Quoting Menno Bockweg : > Hey all, > > I've set up an netatalk server. The mac-users are organised in various > groups. Each group has it's own netatalk-volume. Each user is also > member of a "main" group. The main group (all users together) have > access to another netatalk-volume. The permission of the directory of > this "main"-volume should be ok, the groupbits are set to "rws" (chmod > 2770..). Everything seems te be okay... The members can create > directories in the directory-root of the volume, move / create files in > their own created directories... but (!) they cannot create / move > files to the root directory. When they try to do so, they get an error > messages "You don't have the permissions to ... blah blah ...". What's > happening here ?? > They have the right permissions to create directories but not to create > files ?!?!? > > Really hope anyone could help me out here, > > Thanx! > > Menno > > > > Ryan McBeth Systems Administrator, Mobius New Media Voice: (302) 475-9880 x11 FAX: (302) 475-9894 www.mobiusnm.com If you want to achieve excellence, you can get there today. As of this second, quit doing less-than-excellent work. -Thomas Watson, founder of IBM From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Mon Jan 15 08:00:07 2001 Return-Path: Received: from funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.27]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id IAA25508 for ; Mon, 15 Jan 2001 08:00:07 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id IAA02862 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Mon, 15 Jan 2001 08:00:01 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id IAA02850 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Mon, 15 Jan 2001 08:00:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.imco.nl ([193.67.89.10]) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id HAA02821 for ; Mon, 15 Jan 2001 07:59:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from imco.nl (IDENT:centauri@menno.imco.nl [193.67.89.139]) by mail.imco.nl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA17297 for ; Mon, 15 Jan 2001 13:58:45 +0100 Message-ID: <3A63491C.9090404@imco.nl> Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 14:01:48 -0500 From: Menno Bockweg User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux 2.2.16-22 i686; en-US; m18) Gecko/20001107 Netscape6/6.0 X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: netatalk-admins@umich.edu Subject: Re: file / directory permissions References: <3A630C2C.7FD42A6F@imco.nl> <979555562.3a62d4eaa76f2@webmail.magpage.com> Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit 
What I actually meant with the "directory-root of the volume" is the path to the netatalk-volume. This volume is locate at /data/transfer. The permissions of the transfer-directory are set to :

 drwxrws---   16 transfer_user transfer_group     4096 Jan 15 14:50 transfer

Transfer_user is a user of the transfer_group. Every member of the transfer_group should be able to create / move files to this transfer directory... But this is where things go wrong. The users of the transfer_group can create / modify directories in the transfer directory, but they cannot create / move files into the transfer directory...

I'm puzzled.. ;-)


Ryan McBeth wrote:
Menno,

You might not really want them to create files in the / directory.

If you take a look at the unix file system, there are some standard directories 
that will always be there, /etc, /usr, and so on.  You really don't want that 
file system filling up with junk, or allowing a user to overwrite 
your /etc/hosts file.

I would create a directory in / called "/opt".  This is one way of telling 
users that "This is the place for everything else."  If you want to get really 
creative, you could create "/opt/marketing" for marketing people, "/opt/devel" 
for developers and "/opt/general" for communication between the two.

Let me know how it turns out.

Ryan

Quoting Menno Bockweg <menno@imco.nl>:

Hey all,

I've set up an netatalk server. The mac-users are organised in various
groups. Each group has it's own netatalk-volume.  Each user is also
member of a "main" group. The main group (all users together) have
access to another netatalk-volume. The permission of the directory of
this "main"-volume should be ok, the groupbits are set to "rws" (chmod
2770..). Everything seems te be okay... The members can create
directories in the directory-root of the volume, move / create files in
their own created directories...  but (!) they cannot create / move
files to the root directory. When they try to do so, they get an error
messages "You don't have the permissions to ... blah blah ...".  What's
happening here ??
They have the right permissions to create directories but not to create
files ?!?!?

Really hope anyone could help me out here,

Thanx!

Menno







Ryan McBeth
Systems Administrator, Mobius New Media
Voice: (302) 475-9880 x11
FAX: (302) 475-9894
www.mobiusnm.com
If you want to achieve excellence, you can get there today. As of
this second, quit doing less-than-excellent work.
-Thomas Watson, founder of IBM



From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Mon Jan 15 08:24:09 2001 Return-Path: Received: from kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.25]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id IAA26074 for ; Mon, 15 Jan 2001 08:24:09 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id IAA06211 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Mon, 15 Jan 2001 08:24:09 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id IAA06181 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Mon, 15 Jan 2001 08:24:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from w068.z064000114.bwi-md.dsl.cnc.net (w068.z064000114.bwi-md.dsl.cnc.net [64.0.114.68]) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with SMTP id IAA06098 for ; Mon, 15 Jan 2001 08:24:07 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 8705 invoked from network); 15 Jan 2001 14:33:31 -0000 Received: from w070.z064000114.bwi-md.dsl.cnc.net (HELO rick2000) (64.0.114.70) by w068.z064000114.bwi-md.dsl.cnc.net with SMTP; 15 Jan 2001 14:33:31 -0000 From: "Rick Bestany" To: Subject: RE: file / directory permissions Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 08:23:31 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_007F_01C07ECC.71D2EA50" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 In-Reply-To: <3A63491C.9090404@imco.nl> Importance: Normal This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_007F_01C07ECC.71D2EA50 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I am having the same problem. If you figure it out, please post it to the list. -----Original Message----- From: Menno Bockweg [mailto:menno@imco.nl] Sent: Monday, January 15, 2001 2:02 PM To: netatalk-admins@umich.edu Cc: netatalk-admins@umich.edu Subject: Re: file / directory permissions What I actually meant with the "directory-root of the volume" is the path to the netatalk-volume. This volume is locate at /data/transfer. The permissions of the transfer-directory are set to : drwxrws--- 16 transfer_user transfer_group 4096 Jan 15 14:50 transferTransfer_user is a user of the transfer_group. Every member of the transfer_group should be able to create / move files to this transfer directory... But this is where things go wrong. The users of the transfer_group can create / modify directories in the transfer directory, but they cannot create / move files into the transfer directory...I'm puzzled.. ;-) Ryan McBeth wrote: Menno,You might not really want them to create files in the / directory.If you take a look at the unix file system, there are some standard directories that will always be there, /etc, /usr, and so on. You really don't want that file system filling up with junk, or allowing a user to overwrite your /etc/hosts file.I would create a directory in / called "/opt". This is one way of telling users that "This is the place for everything else." If you want to get really creative, you could create "/opt/marketing" for marketing people, "/opt/devel" for developers and "/opt/general" for communication between the two.Let me know how it turns out.RyanQuoting Menno Bockweg : Hey all,I've set up an netatalk server. The mac-users are organised in variousgroups. Each group has it's own netatalk-volume. Each user is alsomember of a "main" group. The main group (all users together) haveaccess to another netatalk-volume. The permission of the directory ofthis "main"-volume should be ok, the groupbits are set to "rws" (chmod2770..). Everything seems te be okay... The members can createdirectories in the directory-root of the volume, move / create files intheir own created directories... but (!) they cannot create / movefiles to the root directory. When they try to do so, they get an errormessages "You don't have the permissions to ... blah blah ...". What'shappening here ??They have the right permissions to create directories but not to createfiles ?!?!?Really hope anyone could help me out here,Thanx!Menno Ryan McBethSystems Administrator, Mobius New MediaVoice: (302) 475-9880 x11FAX: (302) 475-9894www.mobiusnm.comIf you want to achieve excellence, you can get there today. As ofthis second, quit doing less-than-excellent work.-Thomas Watson, founder of IBM ------=_NextPart_000_007F_01C07ECC.71D2EA50 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I am=20 having the same problem.
 
If you=20 figure it out, please post it to the list.
-----Original Message-----
From: Menno Bockweg=20 [mailto:menno@imco.nl]
Sent: Monday, January 15, 2001 2:02=20 PM
To: netatalk-admins@umich.edu
Cc:=20 netatalk-admins@umich.edu
Subject: Re: file / directory=20 permissions

What I actually meant =
with the "directory-root of the volume" is the path to the =
netatalk-volume. This volume is locate at /data/transfer. The =
permissions of the transfer-directory are set to :

 drwxrws---   =
16 transfer_user transfer_group     4096 Jan 15 14:50 =
transfer

Transfer_user is a user of the transfer_group. Every =
member of the transfer_group should be able to create / move files to =
this transfer directory... But this is where things go wrong. The users =
of the transfer_group can create / modify directories in the transfer =
directory, but they cannot create / move files into the transfer =
directory...

I'm puzzled.. ;-)


Ryan=20 McBeth wrote:
Menno,

You might not really want =
them to create files in the / directory.

If you take a look at =
the unix file system, there are some standard directories 
that will =
always be there, /etc, /usr, and so on.  You really don't want that =

file system filling up with junk, or allowing a user to overwrite =

your /etc/hosts file.

I would create a directory in / called =
"/opt".  This is one way of telling 
users that "This is the place =
for everything else."  If you want to get really 
creative, you could =
create "/opt/marketing" for marketing people, "/opt/devel" 
for =
developers and "/opt/general" for communication between the =
two.

Let me know how it turns out.

Ryan

Quoting =
Menno Bockweg <menno@imco.nl>:

Hey all,

I've set up =
an netatalk server. The mac-users are organised in various
groups. =
Each group has it's own netatalk-volume.  Each user is also
member of =
a "main" group. The main group (all users together) have
access to =
another netatalk-volume. The permission of the directory of
this =
"main"-volume should be ok, the groupbits are set to "rws" =
(chmod
2770..). Everything seems te be okay... The members can =
create
directories in the directory-root of the volume, move / create =
files in
their own created directories...  but (!) they cannot create =
/ move
files to the root directory. When they try to do so, they get =
an error
messages "You don't have the permissions to ... blah blah =
...".  What's
happening here ??
They have the right permissions to =
create directories but not to create
files ?!?!?

Really hope =
anyone could help me out =
here,

Thanx!

Menno







Ryan =
McBeth
Systems Administrator, Mobius New Media
Voice: (302) =
475-9880 x11
FAX: (302) 475-9894
www.mobiusnm.com
If you want to =
achieve excellence, you can get there today. As of
this second, quit =
doing less-than-excellent work.
-Thomas Watson, founder of =
IBM



------=_NextPart_000_007F_01C07ECC.71D2EA50-- From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Mon Jan 15 08:33:29 2001 Return-Path: Received: from kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.25]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id IAA26345 for ; Mon, 15 Jan 2001 08:33:29 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id IAA27539 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Mon, 15 Jan 2001 08:33:29 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id IAA27521 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Mon, 15 Jan 2001 08:33:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp8.dti.ne.jp (smtp8.dti.ne.jp [202.216.228.43]) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id IAA27226 for ; Mon, 15 Jan 2001 08:33:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp1.irori.org (PPP245.tokyo-ip.dti.ne.jp [210.170.192.245]) by smtp8.dti.ne.jp (8.9.3/3.7W) with ESMTP id WAA29238; Mon, 15 Jan 2001 22:33:14 +0900 (JST) Received: by smtp1.irori.org (1.12) with ESMTP id f0FDXDZ08549; Mon, 15 Jan 2001 22:33:14 +0900 Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 22:33:13 +0900 Message-ID: From: "HIROSE, Masaaki" To: Basil Hussain Cc: Marc Miller , Scott Burnham , netatalk-admins@umich.edu Subject: Re: Basic permissions questions In-Reply-To: References: User-Agent: Wanderlust/2.5.4 (Smooth) SEMI/1.14.1 (=?ISO-2022-JP?B?GyRCMkMybDI5QHQbKEI=?=) FLIM/1.14.1 (=?ISO-2022-JP?B?GyRCSCxMWhsoQg==?=) APEL/10.3 Emacs/21.0.94 (i686-pc-linux-gnu) MULE/5.0 (=?ISO-2022-JP?B?GyRCOC1MWhsoQg==?=) X-Prom-WL: Prom-WL 1.1.2 (procmail reader for Wanderlust) X-PGP-Fingerprint: A136 57B5 E2FD 97CD C945 DAA0 C2E5 6C19 4FD9 38AA X-PGP-Pubkey: X-Cite: MU-CITE 8.1 (yet another citation tool for GNU Emacs) MIME-Version: 1.0 (generated by SEMI 1.14.1 - =?ISO-2022-JP?B?IhskQjJDGyhC?= =?ISO-2022-JP?B?GyRCMmwyOUB0GyhCIg==?=) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Hello, on "Re: Basic permissions questions" at Mon, 15 Jan 2001 08:56:35 +0000 Basil Hussain wrote: > > I saw another posting about file locking earlier today. I've never had a > > problem with it. If two users open up the same Word file on the server, > > for example, the second person to access it is asked if they want to open > > it read-only since the file is already in use by someone else. *shrug* > It sounds to me like that's maybe just MS Word doing that itself somehow. > Through various versions of Netatalk installed on our servers I've never > seen this happen using something like BBEdit or Photoshop on shared files. Simple Text does. Netatalk locks (flock() or fcntl()) resource fork file. On the other hand, Samba locks (fcntl()) actual file (data fork). I think, if Netatalk locks data fork file (or Samba locks resource fork file), users of Netatalk and Samba can open file exclusively with application which supported lock system. # I don't know why Netatalk locks resource fork not data fork. How about this idea? -- HIROSE, Masaaki From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Mon Jan 15 09:46:25 2001 Return-Path: Received: from kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.25]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id JAA28832 for ; Mon, 15 Jan 2001 09:46:24 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id JAA22819 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Mon, 15 Jan 2001 09:46:24 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id JAA22793 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Mon, 15 Jan 2001 09:46:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from kanarie.xilay.cxm (cc56962-a.ensch1.ov.nl.home.com [212.204.167.144]) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id JAA22703 for ; Mon, 15 Jan 2001 09:46:21 -0500 (EST) From: vgb@enschede.dhs.org Received: (from lp@localhost) by kanarie.xilay.cxm (8.10.2/8.10.2/SuSE Linux 8.10.0-0.3) id f0FEkTn09009 for netatalk-admins@umich.edu; Mon, 15 Jan 2001 15:46:29 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: kanarie.xilay.cxm: lp set sender to vgb@enschede.dhs.org using -f To: Netatalk vragen Subject: Very slow login and multiple logins Message-ID: <979569989.3a630d4570111@kanarie.xilay.cxm> Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 15:46:29 +0100 (CET) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: IMP/PHP IMAP webmail program 2.2.3 X-Originating-IP: 213.51.84.34 I am using Mac OS 9 and Netatalk-1.42b2+asun2.1.4-0 and are experiencing the follwing problem. I replaced a NT-server by a SuSE 7.0 box, some Mac's (with Mac os 8.x) can login quick and without a problem, other Mac's (with Mac OS 9) seem to freeze a few minutes and they request multiple logins by different loginnames. Even after canceling all logins and auto-logins they request a login, at last, after the Mac has started (after several minutes), I can login very quickly! and it requests only one loginname. I tried this with and without -notcp but this doesn't seem to help. Anyone? With friendly regards, Vincent From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Mon Jan 15 14:15:34 2001 Return-Path: Received: from easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.26]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id OAA05969 for ; Mon, 15 Jan 2001 14:15:33 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id OAA05976 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Mon, 15 Jan 2001 14:15:33 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id OAA05942 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Mon, 15 Jan 2001 14:15:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from inside.trenza.com ([209.58.181.227]) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id OAA05885 for ; Mon, 15 Jan 2001 14:15:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from Mumia (mumia.trenza.com [10.0.0.192]) by inside.trenza.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id OAA10197 for ; Mon, 15 Jan 2001 14:12:11 -0500 Message-ID: <012801c07f28$4cee02e0$8000000a@Mumia> From: "Keith Baker" To: Subject: Compiling with DES etc... Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 14:21:03 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 What do I need to do to get encrypted Appletalk connections. I am using Redhat 6.2 on an Alpha. I got the stock 1.3.3 version running but its butt slow and I have no encryption. RH 6.2 comes with Kerberos V (I think its 5 anyhow)... libdes seems to be included in a wierd form (/usr/kerberos/include/kerberosIV/des.h exists for example)... my question is... can I get appletalk to do DES or Kerberos for authentication? I hate plaintext! Thanks for you time, Keith From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Mon Jan 15 15:26:40 2001 Return-Path: Received: from funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.27]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id PAA08377 for ; Mon, 15 Jan 2001 15:26:40 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id PAA01872 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Mon, 15 Jan 2001 15:26:34 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id PAA01848 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Mon, 15 Jan 2001 15:26:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from bowman.scf.orst.edu (bowman.SCF.ORST.EDU [128.193.161.87]) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id PAA01805 for ; Mon, 15 Jan 2001 15:26:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (morgan@localhost) by bowman.scf.orst.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA06601; Mon, 15 Jan 2001 12:26:36 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: bowman.scf.orst.edu: morgan owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 12:26:36 -0800 (PST) From: andrew morgan X-Sender: To: Keith Baker cc: Subject: Re: Compiling with DES etc... In-Reply-To: <012801c07f28$4cee02e0$8000000a@Mumia> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 15 Jan 2001, Keith Baker wrote: > What do I need to do to get encrypted Appletalk connections. I am using > Redhat 6.2 on an Alpha. I got the stock 1.3.3 version running but its butt > slow and I have no encryption. RH 6.2 comes with Kerberos V (I think its 5 > anyhow)... libdes seems to be included in a wierd form > (/usr/kerberos/include/kerberosIV/des.h exists for example)... my question > is... can I get appletalk to do DES or Kerberos for authentication? I hate > plaintext! You'll need to install the OpenSSL libraries first. Then grab the latest tar.gz file from http://netatalk.sourceforge.net. I've never used the Kerberos support in Netatalk, but there are a couple other methods of doing encrypted logins. One type is randnum and rand2num, in which the client and server exchange random numbers to authenticate (I'm ignorant of the details). The downside of randnum/rand2num is that you have to store paswords in cleartext on the server, which may be a problem. The other encrypted login method is DHX. This builds an SSL-like connection to send the password to the server. It does not require any changes to your backend password storage method. It can use PAM as well. Hope this helps, Andy From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Tue Jan 16 07:30:23 2001 Return-Path: Received: from easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.26]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id HAA00061 for ; Tue, 16 Jan 2001 07:30:23 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id HAA23031 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Tue, 16 Jan 2001 07:30:23 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id HAA22953 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Tue, 16 Jan 2001 07:30:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from dave-world.net (dave-world.net [204.189.73.19]) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id HAA22910 for ; Tue, 16 Jan 2001 07:30:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from heath [205.139.250.148] by dave-world.net (SMTPD32-6.03) id AE0D19920052; Tue, 16 Jan 2001 06:26:53 -0600 From: "Heath Henderson" To: Subject: Dropbox Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 06:33:53 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 In-Reply-To: <012801c07f28$4cee02e0$8000000a@Mumia> I need to make a dropbox that is writeable only by students and R/W possible by staff. I was going to group the student login, but make the owner the staff member. What do I need to enter into the .AppleVolumes for the students to mount it as write only? and for the Staff member to have R/W access to it? Thanks in advance. Heath Henderson From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Tue Jan 16 08:04:31 2001 Return-Path: Received: from easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.26]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id IAA00825 for ; Tue, 16 Jan 2001 08:04:31 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id IAA05770 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Tue, 16 Jan 2001 08:04:30 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id IAA05719 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Tue, 16 Jan 2001 08:04:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from specialreserve.net (www3.reserve.co.uk [195.216.17.3]) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id IAA05658 for ; Tue, 16 Jan 2001 08:04:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from [192.168.1.57] (195.216.17.40) by specialreserve.net with ESMTP (Eudora Internet Mail Server 2.2.2); Tue, 16 Jan 2001 13:04:12 +0000 User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 13:04:11 +0000 Subject: Hidden Files Not Being Copied From: Basil Hussain To: Netatalk List Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Organization: Inter-Mediates Ltd. Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Hi all, I just noticed something the other day when I was doing some organisation of files on a Netatalk-hosted share. I duplicated (i.e. Apple-D, not a copy) a whole folder, but discovered that hidden files (i.e. anything starting with a dot) were not copied! For example, this folder contained two hidden files, .htaccess and .htpasswd - they hadn't been copied in the duplication! Would this be a problem at the MacOS client end (MacOS 9.0.4), or something to-do with Netatalk (netatalk 1.4.99-20001108)? Regards, ------------------------------------------------ Basil Hussain (basil.hussain@specialreserve.net) From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Tue Jan 16 09:23:51 2001 Return-Path: Received: from funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.27]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id JAA02995 for ; Tue, 16 Jan 2001 09:23:51 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id JAA05932 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Tue, 16 Jan 2001 09:23:45 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id JAA05911 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Tue, 16 Jan 2001 09:23:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from univrel.pr.uconn.edu (univrel.pr.uconn.edu [137.99.59.30]) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id JAA05881 for ; Tue, 16 Jan 2001 09:23:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from univrel.pr.uconn.edu (test.pr.uconn.edu [137.99.59.90]) by univrel.pr.uconn.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id JAA19237; Tue, 16 Jan 2001 09:23:47 -0500 Sender: root@univrel.pr.uconn.edu Message-ID: <3A64593C.8AC53DE0@univrel.pr.uconn.edu> Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 09:22:52 -0500 From: jeff X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.0-0.14mdk i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Heath Henderson CC: netatalk-admins@umich.edu Subject: Re: Dropbox References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Heath Henderson wrote: > I need to make a dropbox that is writeable only by students and R/W possible > by staff. I was going to group the student login, but make the owner the > staff member. What do I need to enter into the .AppleVolumes for the > students to mount it as write only? and for the Staff member to have R/W > access to it? In your AppleVolumes.default file, set the rolist and rwlist options with the list of users and groups that you want to have access. Example: /here "My Share" rolist:read,@readgroup rwlist:write,@writegroup That should do it. jeff From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Tue Jan 16 10:59:23 2001 Return-Path: Received: from funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.27]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id KAA05927 for ; Tue, 16 Jan 2001 10:59:23 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id KAA26364 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Tue, 16 Jan 2001 10:59:16 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id KAA26343 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Tue, 16 Jan 2001 10:59:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from hemi.metrotv.com ([209.98.153.188]) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with SMTP id KAA26266 for ; Tue, 16 Jan 2001 10:59:13 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 10592 invoked by uid 1009); 16 Jan 2001 16:02:53 -0000 Received: from excursion.metrotv.com (HELO ?209.98.153.38?) (209.98.153.38) by mail.metrotv.com with SMTP; 16 Jan 2001 16:02:53 -0000 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/9.0.2509 Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 09:59:51 -0600 Subject: TCP/IP not working From: Eric Long To: Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit I'm running FreeBSD 3.4-RELEASE, recompiled the kernel with netatalk support, and installed netatalk 1.4b2 from the ports collection. AppleTalk works, AppleTalk via TCP/IP does not. When clicking the "Server IP Address..." button in the chooser on any mac, it cannot connect via TCP/IP when entering any one of the ip's the FreeBSD box uses. Any suggestions as to where the problem is? -Eric From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Tue Jan 16 11:20:25 2001 Return-Path: Received: from funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.27]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id LAA06616 for ; Tue, 16 Jan 2001 11:20:25 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id LAA04910 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Tue, 16 Jan 2001 11:20:18 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id LAA04832 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Tue, 16 Jan 2001 11:20:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from inside.trenza.com ([209.58.181.227]) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id LAA04780 for ; Tue, 16 Jan 2001 11:20:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from Mumia (mumia.trenza.com [10.0.0.192]) by inside.trenza.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id LAA30859 for ; Tue, 16 Jan 2001 11:16:59 -0500 Message-ID: <002c01c07fd8$fe316f50$c000000a@Mumia> From: "Keith Baker" To: Subject: uams failing Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 11:25:51 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Thanks to this list I got the sourceforge source to compile.1.4.99... It was erroring with -lcrypto... I noticed that there was also -lcrypt and figured they might be an attempt to get libraries of the same veriety... > ld -shared -o uams_dhx_passwd.so > ams_dhx_passwd.o -lcrypto -lrpcsvc -lresolv -lnsl -ldl -ldb -lcrypt -lpam > -lwrap > ld: cannot find -lcrypto I noticed durring the compile that other things were using -lcrypto and were compiling correctly so I think I may have been wrong. But... things compiled happily after this. When I went to try and use the authentication modules my Mac was yelling about unsuported UAM. I hunted around and found the DHX UAM from apple. This didn't help. Oh yeah... I was trying to use DHX only (uams_dhx_pam.so)... Also note that it works fine with uams_clrtxt.so... So I poked through my logs and noticed that low and behold uams_dhx_pam.so was failing! doh! papd[25717]: uam_load(uams_dhx_pam.so): failed to load. papd[25717]: /etc/atalk/uams/uams_dhx_pam.so: undefined symbol: BN_bin2bn afpd was getting similar errors I am guessing that having ssl in /usr/local/ssl has something to do with it (the shared libs aren't available?) Any help? From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Tue Jan 16 11:27:53 2001 Return-Path: Received: from funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.27]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id LAA06740 for ; Tue, 16 Jan 2001 11:27:53 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id LAA18713 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Tue, 16 Jan 2001 11:27:46 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id LAA18670 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Tue, 16 Jan 2001 11:27:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from bowman.scf.orst.edu (bowman.SCF.ORST.EDU [128.193.161.87]) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id LAA18534 for ; Tue, 16 Jan 2001 11:27:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (morgan@localhost) by bowman.scf.orst.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA10355; Tue, 16 Jan 2001 08:27:45 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: bowman.scf.orst.edu: morgan owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 08:27:45 -0800 (PST) From: andrew morgan X-Sender: To: Eric Long cc: Subject: Re: TCP/IP not working In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 16 Jan 2001, Eric Long wrote: > I'm running FreeBSD 3.4-RELEASE, recompiled the kernel with netatalk > support, and installed netatalk 1.4b2 from the ports collection. > > AppleTalk works, AppleTalk via TCP/IP does not. When clicking the "Server > IP Address..." button in the chooser on any mac, it cannot connect via > TCP/IP when entering any one of the ip's the FreeBSD box uses. > > Any suggestions as to where the problem is? What do you see in your syslogs when netatalk starts up? Is afpd binding to an IP address? Andy From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Tue Jan 16 11:45:13 2001 Return-Path: Received: from easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.26]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id LAA07163 for ; Tue, 16 Jan 2001 11:45:13 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id LAA29504 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Tue, 16 Jan 2001 11:45:13 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id LAA29466 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Tue, 16 Jan 2001 11:45:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from home.offwhite.net (home.offwhite.net [156.46.35.30]) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id LAA29324 for ; Tue, 16 Jan 2001 11:45:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (brennan@localhost) by home.offwhite.net (8.9.1/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA27023; Tue, 16 Jan 2001 10:45:04 -0600 (CST) Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 10:45:04 -0600 (CST) From: Brennan Stehling To: Eric Long cc: netatalk-admins@umich.edu Subject: Re: TCP/IP not working In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Do you have the asun version? What exact version are you running? Brennan Stehling - software developer and system administrator my projects: home.offwhite.net (free personal hosting) www.greasydaemon.com (bsd search) beta.mymilwaukee.com (initial mockup) beta.sncalumni.com (initial mockup) On Tue, 16 Jan 2001, Eric Long wrote: > I'm running FreeBSD 3.4-RELEASE, recompiled the kernel with netatalk > support, and installed netatalk 1.4b2 from the ports collection. > > AppleTalk works, AppleTalk via TCP/IP does not. When clicking the "Server > IP Address..." button in the chooser on any mac, it cannot connect via > TCP/IP when entering any one of the ip's the FreeBSD box uses. > > Any suggestions as to where the problem is? > > -Eric > > From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Tue Jan 16 11:46:00 2001 Return-Path: Received: from funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.27]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id LAA07192 for ; Tue, 16 Jan 2001 11:46:00 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id LAA20961 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Tue, 16 Jan 2001 11:45:53 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id LAA20935 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Tue, 16 Jan 2001 11:45:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from inside.trenza.com ([209.58.181.227]) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id LAA20850 for ; Tue, 16 Jan 2001 11:45:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from Mumia (mumia.trenza.com [10.0.0.192]) by inside.trenza.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id LAA31144 for ; Tue, 16 Jan 2001 11:42:35 -0500 Message-ID: <003401c07fdc$917b1830$c000000a@Mumia> From: "Keith Baker" To: Subject: Guest Only Server Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 11:51:27 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 A guest only server seemed like a good idea for security. I have two servers on one box. Guest is one of them. Guest is defined as such: "Guest" -transall -uamlist uams_guest.so -systemvol /etc/atalkd/AppleVolumes.guest \ the AppleVolumes.guest file has all of the standard mappings and then at the bottom has the line /mnt/world World The lines describing the AppleVolumes file says that the systemvol one defines the mappings and the shares available to guest... so I figured this should make just the share "World" available to guest. It did... however in the list (greyed out mind you) was another share from Applevolumes.default. Why would this exist as I am guest? I figrued the fact that it was greyed out was ok... but not the best of all worlds... So I created a new AppleVolumes.default file (as AppleVolumes.empty added it with -defaultvol option) and removed everything except the "World" share from the .empty file. Now I get nothing for guest! Argh!... It seems from reading that the only thing I should have to do for a guest volume is add it to the AppleVolumes.system! This is really screwy! Keith P.S. Anyone else get an occasional Hickup in their transfers. about every meg or so I see a considerable well... not slowdown... it really stops... and then it continues... ideas? From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Tue Jan 16 12:12:05 2001 Return-Path: Received: from easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.26]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id MAA08241 for ; Tue, 16 Jan 2001 12:12:04 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id MAA17714 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Tue, 16 Jan 2001 12:12:04 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id MAA17706 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Tue, 16 Jan 2001 12:12:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from hemi.metrotv.com ([209.98.153.188]) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with SMTP id MAA17647 for ; Tue, 16 Jan 2001 12:12:01 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 14074 invoked by uid 1009); 16 Jan 2001 17:15:35 -0000 Received: from excursion.metrotv.com (HELO ?209.98.153.38?) (209.98.153.38) by mail.metrotv.com with SMTP; 16 Jan 2001 17:15:35 -0000 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/9.0.2509 Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 11:12:34 -0600 Subject: Compiling error: parse error before `size_t' From: Eric Long To: Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Originally, I had a TCP/IP issue, but I have managed to further screw things up. After realizing I applied the free space calculation patch twice, I decided to just start over. I now get the following compile error: ===> Building for netatalk-1.4b2 Making all for freebsd... cd ../../libatalk; make CC="gcc" ADDLIBS="-lcrypt" DEFS="-DBSD4_4" OPTOPTS="- O2" SBINDIR="/usr/local/atalk/etc" BINDIR="/usr/local/atalk/bin" RESDIR="/usr/l ocal/atalk/etc" ETCDIR="/usr/local/atalk/etc" LIBDIR="/usr/local/atalk/lib" INC DIR="/usr/local/atalk/include" DESTDIR="/usr/local/atalk" AFSDIR="" KRBDIR="" a ll cd asp; make CC="gcc" DEFS="-DBSD4_4" OPTOPTS="-O2" gcc -p -DBSD4_4 -O2 -I../../include -c asp_getsess.c In file included from asp_getsess.c:7: /usr/include/sys/signal.h:163: parse error before `size_t' /usr/include/sys/signal.h:163: warning: no semicolon at end of struct or union /usr/include/sys/signal.h:165: parse error before `}' *** Error code 1 Stop. This worked for me yesterday, I'm not sure what has happened between then and now. Any suggestions? -Eric From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Tue Jan 16 14:50:16 2001 Return-Path: Received: from easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.26]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id OAA13692 for ; Tue, 16 Jan 2001 14:50:16 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id OAA13023 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Tue, 16 Jan 2001 14:50:15 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id OAA12991 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Tue, 16 Jan 2001 14:50:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from milton.itspace (202-154-142-111-tollfree.connections.net.nz [202.154.142.111]) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id OAA12882 for ; Tue, 16 Jan 2001 14:50:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from alex by milton.itspace with local (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 14Ic75-0003Ji-00 for ; Wed, 17 Jan 2001 08:49:51 +1300 Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 08:49:51 +1300 To: netatalk-admins@umich.edu Subject: FAQ Message-ID: <20010117084950.A12737@milton.king.net.nz> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i From: Alex King Is there a reasonably up to date FAQ around? I am thinking of questions I have seen on the list lately re. Compiling, Permissions problems, file locking, availability etc. If not would anyone be interested if I compiled one and posted it to the list periodically? I don't have a lot of time to do basic research, but I could have a list of unanswered questions and grab usefull answers off the list. I certainly am not a netatalk expert, but I admin a few systems running netatalk. My users would benefit from me having a bit more knowledge abut netatalk, and I imagine compiling a FAQ will help me learn :-) This is just a toe in the water to test reactions. PS. If there is already someone maintaining a FAQ, please accept my apologies (and point me in the right direction) From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Tue Jan 16 15:14:09 2001 Return-Path: Received: from easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.26]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id PAA14429 for ; Tue, 16 Jan 2001 15:14:09 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id PAA24206 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Tue, 16 Jan 2001 15:14:09 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id PAA24132 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Tue, 16 Jan 2001 15:14:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from coho.saw.net (coho.saw.net [204.119.0.3]) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with SMTP id PAA24050 for ; Tue, 16 Jan 2001 15:14:04 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 25449 invoked by uid 1009); 16 Jan 2001 20:13:58 -0000 Received: from localhost (sendmail-bs@127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 16 Jan 2001 20:13:58 -0000 Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 12:13:58 -0800 (PST) From: Angelko Krstanovic To: Keith Baker cc: netatalk-admins@umich.edu Subject: Re: uams failing In-Reply-To: <002c01c07fd8$fe316f50$c000000a@Mumia> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII for failing uams, try compiling afpd with -rdynamic. i did it on freebsd4.2 and uams started loading fine. -angelko On Tue, 16 Jan 2001, Keith Baker wrote: > Thanks to this list I got the sourceforge source to compile.1.4.99... It > was erroring with -lcrypto... I noticed that there was also -lcrypt and > figured they might be an attempt to get libraries of the same veriety... > > > ld -shared -o uams_dhx_passwd.so > > > ams_dhx_passwd.o -lcrypto -lrpcsvc -lresolv -lnsl -ldl -ldb -lcrypt -lpam > > -lwrap > > ld: cannot find -lcrypto > > > I noticed durring the compile that other things were using -lcrypto and were > compiling correctly so I think I may have been wrong. But... things > compiled happily after this. When I went to try and use the authentication > modules my Mac was yelling about unsuported UAM. I hunted around and found > the DHX UAM from apple. This didn't help. Oh yeah... I was trying to use > DHX only (uams_dhx_pam.so)... Also note that it works fine with > uams_clrtxt.so... So I poked through my logs and noticed that low and > behold uams_dhx_pam.so was failing! doh! > > papd[25717]: uam_load(uams_dhx_pam.so): failed to load. > papd[25717]: /etc/atalk/uams/uams_dhx_pam.so: undefined symbol: BN_bin2bn > > afpd was getting similar errors > > I am guessing that having ssl in /usr/local/ssl has something to do with it > (the shared libs aren't available?) > Any help? > From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Tue Jan 16 15:33:23 2001 Return-Path: Received: from funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.27]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id PAA15249 for ; Tue, 16 Jan 2001 15:33:23 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id PAA09920 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Tue, 16 Jan 2001 15:33:16 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id PAA09909 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Tue, 16 Jan 2001 15:33:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from coho.saw.net (coho.saw.net [204.119.0.3]) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with SMTP id PAA09874 for ; Tue, 16 Jan 2001 15:33:14 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 27483 invoked by uid 1009); 16 Jan 2001 20:33:15 -0000 Received: from localhost (sendmail-bs@127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 16 Jan 2001 20:33:15 -0000 Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 12:33:15 -0800 (PST) From: Angelko Krstanovic To: netatalk-admins@umich.edu Subject: openfork fails Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII in order to get netatalk-1.4b2+asun2.1.4 (pre-asun2.1.4-37b.tar.gz) to run on a fresh install of freebsd 4.2, i removed -lnsl from etc/afpd/Makefile (TCPWRAPLIBS="-lwrap -lnsl";), and added -rdynamic to the same file (at end of CFLAGS) in order to alleviate the 'failed to load' uam_load() error. netatalk volume contains lage golive projecs. when golive (v5) starts opening a project, at some point during the process syslog reports: afpd[4230]: afp_openfork: ad_open: Input/output error golive usually crashes after this. the same behavior exibited netatalk-1.4b2+asun2.1.3. any suggestions? -angelko From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Tue Jan 16 17:48:45 2001 Return-Path: Received: from easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.26]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id RAA19569 for ; Tue, 16 Jan 2001 17:48:45 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id RAA05019 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Tue, 16 Jan 2001 17:48:45 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id RAA05003 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Tue, 16 Jan 2001 17:48:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from inside.trenza.com ([209.58.181.227]) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id RAA04954 for ; Tue, 16 Jan 2001 17:48:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from Mumia (mumia.trenza.com [10.0.0.192]) by inside.trenza.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id RAA17428 for ; Tue, 16 Jan 2001 17:45:20 -0500 Message-ID: <00fb01c0800f$3e6adf30$c000000a@Mumia> From: "Keith Baker" To: Subject: UAMs failing cont. Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 17:54:12 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Ok... so... I used 1.4.99 and it compiled and worked fine... No -lcrypto error and DHX says it is loaded (no time to test yet -- have to get to a mac console) the only problem I have now is this: Jan 16 15:56:18 gatekeeper papd[7742]: Authentication disabled: HP LaserJet III Jan 16 15:56:18 gatekeeper papd[7742]: register HP LaserJet III:LaserWriter@Printers current config papd.conf HP LaserJet III@Printers:\ :pr=lp:op=@wheel:\ :au:am=uams_dhx_pam.so:\ :pd=/usr/local/share/hp_3p522.ppd: Why no dice? From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Tue Jan 16 17:52:45 2001 Return-Path: Received: from easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.26]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id RAA19727 for ; Tue, 16 Jan 2001 17:52:45 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id RAA11484 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Tue, 16 Jan 2001 17:52:45 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id RAA11429 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Tue, 16 Jan 2001 17:52:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from clmboh1-smtp3.columbus.rr.com (dhcp065-024-000-112.columbus.rr.com [65.24.0.112] (may be forged)) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id RAA11351 for ; Tue, 16 Jan 2001 17:52:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.iowna.com (dhcp065-024-023-038.columbus.rr.com [65.24.23.38]) by clmboh1-smtp3.columbus.rr.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id f0GMoQ729332 for ; Tue, 16 Jan 2001 17:50:26 -0500 (EST) Sender: wmoran@clmboh1-smtp3.columbus.rr.com Message-ID: <3A64CFFF.15DE4D9A@mail.iowna.com> Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 17:49:35 -0500 From: Bill Moran X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (X11; U; FreeBSD 4.2-STABLE i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: netatalk-admins@umich.edu Subject: Macs unable to delete directories created by other systems Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Is this a know problem? Here are the particulars: netatalk-1.4b2+asun2.1.3_1 as installed from the FreeBSD packages system onto a FreeBSD-4.2-STABLE server. No config changes were made other than to add 1 volume to the config file. This server is also running Samba-2.0.7 and NFS to share filesystems in conjunction with Macs. No printers configured. One volume, called public is available. The computer is a AMD 1100mhz, with 128M RAM, dual SCSI drives mirrored with vinum (using Adeptec 29160N adapters and IBM drives) ASUS motherboard, Intel 10/100 Ethernet adapter. Clients are Mac G4s (mostly) and some other Macs as well. This is what happens: When a directory tree is created from NT via Samba, or from SGI-UN*X via NFS, the Macintosh can not delete the directory. It reports that the directory is in use, asks if you would like to remove it anyway, but doesn't remove it -even if you try to force it. The directory can be removed without error via Samba from NT, via NFS from SGI or locally at the server. I took special care when testing/isolating this problem to insure that no systems were "using" this directory, yet this message appeared. Samba, NFS and Netatalk all work as user "nobody". Directories created by SGI & NT have perms rwxrwxr-x and belong to nobody:wheel. Directories created by Netatalk have perms rwxrwxrwx and belong to nobody:wheel. When trying to delete a directory tree several levels deep from the Mac (under these conditions) all files will be deleted but no directories will. When viewing the directories on another system (SGI, FreeBSD or NT), the .AppleDouble directories remain. These trees can be successfully deleted from SGI, NT or FreeBSD. Please note that directories created on the server by the Mac never cause this problem. The question is: is this something I can configure around, or have I uncovered a bug. If it's a bug, how can I help to get it fixed? -Bill From <> Tue Jan 16 17:59:03 2001 Return-Path: <<>> Received: from kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.25]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id RAA20158 for ; Tue, 16 Jan 2001 17:59:03 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id RAA07976 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Tue, 16 Jan 2001 17:59:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from hobbiton.shire.net (frogmorton.shire.net [204.228.145.136]) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id RAA07907 for ; Tue, 16 Jan 2001 17:59:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from [216.64.45.172] (helo=[192.168.99.123]) by hobbiton.shire.net with esmtp (Exim 2.04 #5) id 14If48-000EVP-00; Tue, 16 Jan 2001 15:59:00 -0700 Received: from [216.64.45.172] (helo=[192.168.99.123]) by hobbiton.shire.net with esmtp (Exim 2.04 #5) id 14If3K-000EVH-00; Tue, 16 Jan 2001 15:58:10 -0700 Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 17:50:42 -0500 From: "Chad Leigh, Objectwerks, Inc." Reply-To: chad@objectwerks.com To: netatalk-admins@umich.deu cc: chad@objectwerks.com Message-ID: <414898715.979667442@[192.168.99.123]> X-Mailer: Mulberry/2.0.5 (Win32) Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 17:51:31 -0500 Resent-From: "Chad Leigh, Objectwerks, Inc." Resent-Reply-To: chad@objectwerks.com Resent-To: netatalk-admins@umich.edu Resent-cc: chad@objectwerks.com Subject: "don't have enough privileges to create folder" error Resent-Message-ID: <414948230.979667491@[192.168.99.123]> X-Resent-Mailer: Mulberry/2.0.5 (Win32) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; FORMAT=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Hi This appears more complicated than the title suggests. I looked at the FAQ on sourceforge.net and the question that appears to be the same as mine but the solution did not solve it. I try and create a folder anywhere in my share and it says I can't because I don't have enouhg privileges but idoes it anyway. The user I am logging in as has complete rights to the files and folders listed in the share, including user and group r+w+x privilege. I try and copy in a folder from the Mac and it creates the folder but then says that it has no rights to create the first file contained in that folder and quits. I have 1.42+asun version on FreeBSD 4.2. I have a share that is owned by user "chad" group "staff". Here is the configuration in the AppleVolumes.default file in /usr/local/etc /mirror1/companies "Company Data" options=crlf megumi# cd /mirror1/companies/ megumi# ls -al total 14 drwxrwx--- 14 chad staff 512 Jan 16 15:41 . drwxrwx--- 8 root wheel 512 Jan 8 20:39 .. drwxrwx--- 6 chad staff 512 Jan 6 18:38 .AppleDesktop drwxrwx--- 2 chad staff 512 Jan 6 18:30 .AppleDouble drwxrwx--- 4 chad staff 512 Jan 16 14:05 Applications drwxrwx--- 5 chad staff 512 Jan 6 18:39 Leigh America Company drwxrwx--- 3 chad staff 512 Jan 16 15:28 Network Trash Folder drwxrwx--- 4 chad staff 512 Jan 6 18:22 Shire.Net LLC drwxrwx--- 3 chad staff 512 Jan 6 18:19 TheFindByContentFolder drwxrwx--- 3 chad staff 512 Jan 6 18:20 TheVolumeSettingsFolder drwxrwx--- 3 chad staff 512 Jan 16 15:24 untitled folder drwxrwx--- 3 chad staff 512 Jan 16 15:28 untitled folder 1 drwxrwx--- 3 chad staff 512 Jan 16 15:28 untitled folder 2 drwxrwx--- 3 chad staff 512 Jan 16 15:41 untitled folder 3 I am logging in as user "chad" which has a default group "staff" in the passwd file on the FreeBSD box. Using ps -aux I list 3 afpd, two running as user "chad" (from 2 macs" and one as root which I assume is the one listed as "LISTEN" when I do a netstat -a. When all the files were listed as drwxr-xr-x it didn't work either. The console is giving me the message: afpd[blah]: setdirmode: chmod .AppleDouble"Operation not permitted I check all the .AppleDouble folders and they are all owned by the same user / group chad:staff as is the user logging in and they are all rwxrwx--- (also tried rwxr-xr-x) so I don't know what operation is not permitted on which .AppleDouble since the user is all correct as far as I can tell. I am stuck and don't know what I can do and cannot find any documentation or anything that gives me more enlightenment. Anyone care to give me a hand? Thanks Chad From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Tue Jan 16 18:41:04 2001 Return-Path: Received: from funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.27]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id SAA21379 for ; Tue, 16 Jan 2001 18:41:04 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id SAA23182 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Tue, 16 Jan 2001 18:40:57 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id SAA23165 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Tue, 16 Jan 2001 18:40:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from bowman.scf.orst.edu (bowman.SCF.ORST.EDU [128.193.161.87]) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id SAA23093 for ; Tue, 16 Jan 2001 18:40:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (morgan@localhost) by bowman.scf.orst.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA14569; Tue, 16 Jan 2001 15:40:59 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: bowman.scf.orst.edu: morgan owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 15:40:59 -0800 (PST) From: andrew morgan X-Sender: To: Keith Baker cc: Subject: Re: UAMs failing cont. In-Reply-To: <00fb01c0800f$3e6adf30$c000000a@Mumia> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 16 Jan 2001, Keith Baker wrote: > Ok... so... > I used 1.4.99 and it compiled and worked fine... No -lcrypto error and DHX > says it is loaded (no time to test yet -- have to get to a mac console) > > the only problem I have now is this: > Jan 16 15:56:18 gatekeeper papd[7742]: Authentication disabled: HP LaserJet > III > Jan 16 15:56:18 gatekeeper papd[7742]: register HP LaserJet > III:LaserWriter@Printers > > current config papd.conf > > HP LaserJet III@Printers:\ > :pr=lp:op=@wheel:\ > :au:am=uams_dhx_pam.so:\ > :pd=/usr/local/share/hp_3p522.ppd: > Why no dice? Okay, this is my fault for not updating the documentation on authenticated printing. The flags you need to set in papd.conf have changed because we also support CAP-style authenticated printing. Here's the quick rundown: CAP-style auth :ca: PSSP style auth :sp: List of UAMS :am=uams_clrtxt.so: (etc) So you should use the :sp: flag instead of :au: above. However, it does not support the DHX uam for PSSP style authenticated printing. There was no Apple documentation on the proper printing handshake for DHX, and I don't have a "real" Appleshare server to find out if DHX is actually supported. If it is, then I could sniff the session and find out what the handshake is. So unfortunately, there is no encrypted login for printing right now. Of course, you could always use the CAP style authenticated printing, where the login really just depends on the file server login (which could be encrypted). Andy From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Tue Jan 16 23:22:11 2001 Return-Path: Received: from kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.25]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id XAA28555 for ; Tue, 16 Jan 2001 23:22:11 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id XAA26081 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Tue, 16 Jan 2001 23:22:11 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id XAA26060 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Tue, 16 Jan 2001 23:22:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from milquetoast.cs.mcgill.ca (milquetoast.CS.McGill.CA [132.206.2.5]) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id XAA26019 for ; Tue, 16 Jan 2001 23:22:09 -0500 (EST) Received: (from andrewb@localhost) by milquetoast.cs.mcgill.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA28584 for netatalk-admins@umich.edu; Tue, 16 Jan 2001 23:22:04 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 23:22:04 -0500 From: Andrew BOGECHO To: netatalk-admins@umich.edu Subject: Thank you Message-ID: <20010116232204.C28138@cs.mcgill.ca> Mail-Followup-To: Andrew BOGECHO , netatalk-admins@umich.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i Organization: SOCS, McGill University, Montreal, CANADA Tue Jan 16 23:17:53 EST 2001 Running FreeBSD 4.2 RELEASE and netatalk-1.4b2+asun2.1.3_1. It all works beautifully, even printing to a Lexmark E312 printer that is attached to the BSD machine. Just wanted to say thank you to you all. I have never been happier. Andrew. From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Wed Jan 17 07:45:09 2001 Return-Path: Received: from kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.25]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id HAA07578 for ; Wed, 17 Jan 2001 07:45:08 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id HAA07346 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Wed, 17 Jan 2001 07:45:08 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id HAA07322 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Wed, 17 Jan 2001 07:45:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from mailout1-1.nyroc.rr.com (mailout1-0.nyroc.rr.com [24.92.226.81]) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id HAA07217 for ; Wed, 17 Jan 2001 07:45:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from yua (cm-24-169-14-151.nycap.rr.com [24.169.14.151]) by mailout1-1.nyroc.rr.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id HAA08553; Wed, 17 Jan 2001 07:41:21 -0500 (EST) From: "Alex Yu" To: "Bill Moran" , Subject: RE: Macs unable to delete directories created by other systems Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 07:46:44 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 In-Reply-To: <3A64CFFF.15DE4D9A@mail.iowna.com> > This is what happens: When a directory tree is created from NT via > NFS, the Macintosh can not delete the directory. It reports that the How many characters did you use on files/dirs? Mac will have problems for seeing and accessing files/dirs with more than 32 characters. Alex From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Wed Jan 17 08:42:05 2001 Return-Path: Received: from easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.26]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id IAA08768 for ; Wed, 17 Jan 2001 08:42:05 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id IAA22833 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Wed, 17 Jan 2001 08:42:05 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id IAA22811 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Wed, 17 Jan 2001 08:42:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.iglobal.net (mail.iglobal.net [209.164.193.7]) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id IAA22779 for ; Wed, 17 Jan 2001 08:42:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from [172.18.202.129] (209-164-195-242.iglobal.net [209.164.195.242]) by mail.iglobal.net (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f0HDg1P09534 for ; Wed, 17 Jan 2001 07:42:01 -0600 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: tazzjoe@mail.earthlink.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <003401c07fdc$917b1830$c000000a@Mumia> References: <003401c07fdc$917b1830$c000000a@Mumia> Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 07:41:52 -0600 To: netatalk-admins@umich.edu From: Joe McGovern Subject: Re: Guest Only Server Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I am having network "slowdown" problem with two Macintosh G4s (OS 9.0.4) and a FreeBSD (4.1 release) server with Netatalk-1.4b2+asun2.1.3. For the first month or so the transfer speed between the Macs and FreeBSD were good. Now they are horribly slow. About 45min - 1hour to copy a 60M directory either way. However, an older mac (PM7500 OS 8.6) is having no slowdown connecting to the same server. A new system was installed on one of the G4s and the speed problem seemed to disappear. This is a possible solution but without knowing what the cause of the slowdown was I am afraid that it may arise again. Any ideas or insight would be greatly appreciated. -- ==================== Joe McGovern tazzjoe@earthlink.net ==================== From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Wed Jan 17 09:18:06 2001 Return-Path: Received: from funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.27]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id JAA09712 for ; Wed, 17 Jan 2001 09:18:06 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id JAA12898 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Wed, 17 Jan 2001 09:18:01 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id JAA12869 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Wed, 17 Jan 2001 09:18:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from cpa27.ups-tlse.fr (cpa27.ups-tlse.fr [130.120.96.27]) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id JAA12783 for ; Wed, 17 Jan 2001 09:17:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from cpa227.ups-tlse.fr (IDENT:deepak@cpa227.ups-tlse.fr [130.120.96.227]) by cpa27.ups-tlse.fr (8.9.0/8.9.0) with ESMTP id PAA12892 for ; Wed, 17 Jan 2001 15:05:42 +0100 (MET) Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 15:21:16 +0100 (CET) From: Deepak Gupta X-Sender: deepak@cpa227.ups-tlse.fr To: netatalk-admins@umich.edu Subject: Is it a Zone problem ? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=X-UNKNOWN Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from QUOTED-PRINTABLE to 8bit by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu id JAA09712 I have ibook (blue) with MacOS and Apple Personal Laser NTR. But I'm love of Linux, so I have SuSe Linux on ibook with netetalk running. ibook do not have any apple/parellel/serial port so to use the printer I have Farallon EtherMac Printer adapter, which connect to Ethernet port on ibook, and Appletalk port on Printer. Everything works fine with ibook running MacOS, and I use printer without any problem. But my favourite linux has problem. After setting Netatalk, by following the various hints from Web etc. Running nbplkup gives [root@linux /root]# nbplkup linux:AFPServer 65280.200:128 linux:netatalk 65280.200:4 linux:Workstation 65280.200:4 But do not shows any Printer entry. And getzone gives [root@linux /root]# getzones atp_rresp: Connection timed out Many people seems to get this getzone response on Single Zone network, but some are not (As I get to know by browsing mailing list). I will also don't bother about it, if my printer works. I am Guessing following problems (but don't know solutions). 1) Printer is on a zone differnet from that of default, and hence nbplkup do not shows it. As getzones fails, I can't even find out that if there exist a zone other than default (and what's its name). But if this is the problem, why things work with MacOS ? And how to confirm it and correct it, finaly, on linux? 2) Do I need to do something `special' to see the printer across Farallon Adapter ? (But as I remember I never did anything special to make it run under MacOS. It just worked!) If yes, What ? 3) Rare possibility, but I need to define the printer's Name/Zone somewhere. But where and how ? 4) Something else ...... Please HELP. Your help will prevent me to reboot the machine in MacOS to just take the printouts. =>dpk -- Deepak K Gupta C.P.A.T. Emails: deepak@cpa27.ups-tlse.fr Université Paul Sabatier dpk011@yahoo.com 118 rte de Narbonne Fax: (33) 561 556 332 31062 Toulouse, Cedex 4, FRANCE Phones: [Office] (33) 561 556 864, [Residence] (33) 561 251 095 From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Wed Jan 17 09:19:03 2001 Return-Path: Received: from easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.26]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id JAA09771 for ; Wed, 17 Jan 2001 09:19:03 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id JAA04857 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Wed, 17 Jan 2001 09:19:03 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id JAA04822 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Wed, 17 Jan 2001 09:19:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from cpa27.ups-tlse.fr (cpa27.ups-tlse.fr [130.120.96.27]) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id JAA04730 for ; Wed, 17 Jan 2001 09:18:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from cpa227.ups-tlse.fr (IDENT:deepak@cpa227.ups-tlse.fr [130.120.96.227]) by cpa27.ups-tlse.fr (8.9.0/8.9.0) with ESMTP id PAA12898 for ; Wed, 17 Jan 2001 15:06:38 +0100 (MET) Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 15:22:12 +0100 (CET) From: Deepak Gupta X-Sender: deepak@cpa227.ups-tlse.fr To: netatalk-admins@umich.edu Subject: subscribe Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=X-UNKNOWN Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from QUOTED-PRINTABLE to 8bit by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu id JAA09771 -- Deepak K Gupta C.P.A.T. Emails: deepak@cpa27.ups-tlse.fr Université Paul Sabatier dpk011@yahoo.com 118 rte de Narbonne Fax: (33) 561 556 332 31062 Toulouse, Cedex 4, FRANCE Phones: [Office] (33) 561 556 864, [Residence] (33) 561 251 095 From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Wed Jan 17 09:55:40 2001 Return-Path: Received: from easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.26]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id JAA10655 for ; Wed, 17 Jan 2001 09:55:40 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id JAA11165 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Wed, 17 Jan 2001 09:55:40 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id JAA11140 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Wed, 17 Jan 2001 09:55:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from clmboh1-smtp3.columbus.rr.com (dhcp065-024-000-112.columbus.rr.com [65.24.0.112] (may be forged)) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id JAA11103 for ; Wed, 17 Jan 2001 09:55:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.iowna.com (dhcp065-024-023-038.columbus.rr.com [65.24.23.38]) by clmboh1-smtp3.columbus.rr.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id f0HEpv721640; Wed, 17 Jan 2001 09:51:57 -0500 (EST) Sender: wmoran@clmboh1-smtp3.columbus.rr.com Message-ID: <3A65B160.2427660E@mail.iowna.com> Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 09:51:12 -0500 From: Bill Moran X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (X11; U; FreeBSD 4.2-STABLE i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Alex Yu CC: netatalk-admins@umich.edu Subject: Re: Macs unable to delete directories created by other systems References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Alex Yu wrote: > > > This is what happens: When a directory tree is created from NT via > > NFS, the Macintosh can not delete the directory. It reports that the > > How many characters did you use on files/dirs? Mac will have problems for > seeing and accessing files/dirs with more than 32 characters. Thanks for the reply. I don't think that's it. When I started diagnosing the problem I was using directories called "temp" and "test" and got the exact same results. -Bill From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Wed Jan 17 10:19:20 2001 Return-Path: Received: from funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.27]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id KAA11352 for ; Wed, 17 Jan 2001 10:19:20 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id KAA05046 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Wed, 17 Jan 2001 10:19:14 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id KAA04975 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Wed, 17 Jan 2001 10:19:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from kanarie.xilay.cxm (cc56962-a.ensch1.ov.nl.home.com [212.204.167.144]) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id KAA04895 for ; Wed, 17 Jan 2001 10:19:10 -0500 (EST) From: vgb@enschede.dhs.org Received: (from lp@localhost) by kanarie.xilay.cxm (8.10.2/8.10.2/SuSE Linux 8.10.0-0.3) id f0HFJOq14250 for netatalk-admins@umich.edu; Wed, 17 Jan 2001 16:19:24 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: kanarie.xilay.cxm: lp set sender to vgb@enschede.dhs.org using -f To: netatalk-admins@umich.edu Subject: Several problems concerning Mac-Quark-Linux-Printing Message-ID: <979744764.3a65b7fc9ec9d@kanarie.xilay.cxm> Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 16:19:24 +0100 (CET) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: IMP/PHP IMAP webmail program 2.2.3 X-Originating-IP: 213.51.84.34 I am using: Netatalk-1.4b2+asun2.1.3 on SuSE 7.0 I am having several problems with Macs copying files to/from the Linux box. The message is: ..bla.. and ..bla.. are the same file altough the file does not exists at the Mac or the Linux-box, creating the folder seperately and then copying the files beneath works! Next, I am trying to print by lpr from the Mac to the Linux-box, the Mac responds that the printer is not accepting printjobs. I can print from another Linux-box to the same printer by lpr, what to do? With friendly regards, Vincent From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Wed Jan 17 10:52:39 2001 Return-Path: Received: from easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.26]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id KAA12575 for ; Wed, 17 Jan 2001 10:52:39 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id KAA27399 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Wed, 17 Jan 2001 10:52:39 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id KAA27380 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Wed, 17 Jan 2001 10:52:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from inside.trenza.com ([209.58.181.227]) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id KAA27314 for ; Wed, 17 Jan 2001 10:52:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from Mumia (mumia.trenza.com [10.0.0.192]) by inside.trenza.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id KAA29978 for ; Wed, 17 Jan 2001 10:49:11 -0500 Message-ID: <013d01c0809e$46c99ce0$c000000a@Mumia> From: "Keith Baker" To: Subject: ASIP issues... Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 10:58:03 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 For those of you with appleshareIP issues... Soem people have been reporting that ASIP is not working but vanila DDP is working. I haven't tried it myself (I am having these problems) but I think I have a fix... I thought I would be snazzy and compile in every option under the sun... --with-ssl-dir --with-pam --with-everything-else-on-this-earth... I compiled in TCP Wrappers and my default policy is ALL : DENY... DOH! I should be able to allow ASIP through and all should be happy (I hope) From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Wed Jan 17 11:02:12 2001 Return-Path: Received: from easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.26]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id LAA12811 for ; Wed, 17 Jan 2001 11:02:12 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id LAA14954 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Wed, 17 Jan 2001 11:02:12 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id LAA14927 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Wed, 17 Jan 2001 11:02:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from cpa27.ups-tlse.fr (cpa27.ups-tlse.fr [130.120.96.27]) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id LAA14855 for ; Wed, 17 Jan 2001 11:02:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from cpa227.ups-tlse.fr (IDENT:deepak@cpa227.ups-tlse.fr [130.120.96.227]) by cpa27.ups-tlse.fr (8.9.0/8.9.0) with ESMTP id QAA13214; Wed, 17 Jan 2001 16:49:46 +0100 (MET) Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 17:05:20 +0100 (CET) From: Deepak Gupta X-Sender: deepak@cpa227.ups-tlse.fr To: vgb@enschede.dhs.org cc: netatalk-admins@umich.edu Subject: Re: Is it a Zone problem ? In-Reply-To: <979743926.3a65b4b61886b@kanarie.xilay.cxm> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=X-UNKNOWN Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from QUOTED-PRINTABLE to 8bit by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu id LAA12811 On Wed, 17 Jan 2001 vgb@enschede.dhs.org wrote: > Dear Deepak, > > did you set the -router option in the atalkd.conf, > something like: > > eth0 -router -phase 2 -net 2005-2200 -addr 2005.25 - > zone "XILAY" I'm not clear, Is a Question or Answer ? Means should I try doing it or you need this information to provide further help. By the way, my atalkd.conf is eth0 -phase 2 -net 0-65534 -addr 65280.157 which is set by netetalk itself. =>dpk -- Deepak K Gupta C.P.A.T. Emails: deepak@cpa27.ups-tlse.fr Université Paul Sabatier dpk011@yahoo.com 118 rte de Narbonne Fax: (33) 561 556 332 31062 Toulouse, Cedex 4, FRANCE Phones: [Office] (33) 561 556 864, [Residence] (33) 561 251 095 From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Wed Jan 17 11:13:49 2001 Return-Path: Received: from kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.25]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id LAA13157 for ; Wed, 17 Jan 2001 11:13:49 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id LAA10254 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Wed, 17 Jan 2001 11:13:49 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id LAA10229 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Wed, 17 Jan 2001 11:13:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from bowman.scf.orst.edu (bowman.SCF.ORST.EDU [128.193.161.87]) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id LAA10133 for ; Wed, 17 Jan 2001 11:13:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (morgan@localhost) by bowman.scf.orst.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA22531; Wed, 17 Jan 2001 08:13:41 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: bowman.scf.orst.edu: morgan owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 08:13:40 -0800 (PST) From: andrew morgan X-Sender: To: Deepak Gupta cc: Subject: Re: Is it a Zone problem ? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 17 Jan 2001, Deepak Gupta wrote: > 1) Printer is on a zone differnet from that of default, and hence > nbplkup do not shows it. As getzones fails, I can't even find out > that if there exist a zone other than default (and what's its name). > But if this is the problem, why things work with MacOS ? And how > to confirm it and correct it, finaly, on linux? You could confirm this by booting up MacOS and seeing what it tells you in the chooser with respect to the zone and the printer's name. Andy From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Wed Jan 17 11:24:25 2001 Return-Path: Received: from funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.27]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id LAA13845 for ; Wed, 17 Jan 2001 11:24:25 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id LAA28341 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Wed, 17 Jan 2001 11:24:19 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id LAA28327 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Wed, 17 Jan 2001 11:24:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from ee.cornell.edu (anise.ee.cornell.edu [128.84.239.14]) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id LAA28277 for ; Wed, 17 Jan 2001 11:24:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from [128.84.239.190] (harrier.ee.cornell.edu [128.84.239.190]) by ee.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA28461; Wed, 17 Jan 2001 11:24:15 -0500 (EST) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: rz10@postoffice.mail.cornell.edu Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20010117084950.A12737@milton.king.net.nz> References: <20010117084950.A12737@milton.king.net.nz> Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 11:23:04 -0500 To: Alex King , netatalk-admins@umich.edu From: Ray Zimmerman Subject: Re: FAQ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" At 8:49 AM +1300 1/17/01, Alex King wrote: >Is there a reasonably up to date FAQ around? I am thinking of >questions I have seen on the list lately re. Compiling, Permissions >problems, file locking, availability etc. > >If not would anyone be interested if I compiled one and posted it to >the list periodically? There's a FAQ at ... http://netatalk.sourceforge.net/faq.php ... but I don't know how up-to-date it is. I for one would certainly appreciate any work done to keep it current. I'm about to take a crack at installing the latest version on RedHat 6.2 and good docs are always a plus. Ray From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Wed Jan 17 13:12:59 2001 Return-Path: Received: from funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.27]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id NAA17758 for ; Wed, 17 Jan 2001 13:12:59 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id NAA10061 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Wed, 17 Jan 2001 13:12:53 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id NAA10035 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Wed, 17 Jan 2001 13:12:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from jax.cl.msu.edu (jax.cl.msu.edu [35.8.1.151]) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id NAA09954 for ; Wed, 17 Jan 2001 13:12:51 -0500 (EST) Received: (from sdevine@localhost) by jax.cl.msu.edu (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.1) id NAA07410 for netatalk-admins@umich.edu; Wed, 17 Jan 2001 13:12:50 -0500 (EST) From: Steve Devine Reply-To: sdevine@msu.edu Organization: Michigan State University To: netatalk-admins@umich.edu Subject: tcpwrappers & inetd.conf Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 13:03:29 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.0.28] Content-Type: text/plain MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <01011713124909.06936@jax> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hello all, I have been trying to implement tcpwrappers and netatalk in order to limit connections via hosts.allow and hosts.deny. I have seen statements in archives stating that the inetd.conf file is to be left alone. All seem to advocate an entry in the services file as such: afpovertcp 548/tcp afpovertcp 548/udp I wonder if netatalk is not called via inetd.conf how is it run? A rc script maybe and if so is a reference to tcpd required? Please if anyone is successfully using tcpwrappers / netatalk I would greatly hearing how you did it. I am using tcpwrappers 7.6 netatalk 1.4b2+asun2.1.3 on a Sun Ultra5 / Solaris 2.6 Thanks /////////////////////////////////// Steve Devine Information Technology Professional MSU Computer Laboratory phone: (517) 355-4500 x242 fax: (517) 353-9847 ///////////////// From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Wed Jan 17 13:16:19 2001 Return-Path: Received: from funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.27]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id NAA18061 for ; Wed, 17 Jan 2001 13:16:19 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id NAA16056 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Wed, 17 Jan 2001 13:16:13 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id NAA16028 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Wed, 17 Jan 2001 13:16:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from inside.trenza.com ([209.58.181.227]) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id NAA15973 for ; Wed, 17 Jan 2001 13:16:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from Mumia (mumia.trenza.com [10.0.0.192]) by inside.trenza.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id NAA19627 for ; Wed, 17 Jan 2001 13:12:52 -0500 Message-ID: <017101c080b2$58f1a7a0$c000000a@Mumia> From: "Keith Baker" To: Subject: FAQ Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 13:21:45 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Who would be the person in charge of this faq... it is a little lacking at the moment... I would be willing to add stuff if I had access... I've gotten a fair bit of knowledge over the past few weeks fighting with it... Keith > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ray Zimmerman" > To: "Alex King" ; > Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2001 11:23 AM > Subject: Re: FAQ > > > > At 8:49 AM +1300 1/17/01, Alex King wrote: > > >Is there a reasonably up to date FAQ around? I am thinking of > > >questions I have seen on the list lately re. Compiling, Permissions > > >problems, file locking, availability etc. > > > > > >If not would anyone be interested if I compiled one and posted it to > > >the list periodically? > > > > There's a FAQ at ... > > > > http://netatalk.sourceforge.net/faq.php > > > > ... but I don't know how up-to-date it is. I for one would certainly > > appreciate any work done to keep it current. I'm about to take a > > crack at installing the latest version on RedHat 6.2 and good docs > > are always a plus. > > > > Ray > From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Wed Jan 17 13:32:51 2001 Return-Path: Received: from easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.26]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id NAA18534 for ; Wed, 17 Jan 2001 13:32:51 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id NAA08650 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Wed, 17 Jan 2001 13:32:51 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id NAA08618 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Wed, 17 Jan 2001 13:32:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from bowman.scf.orst.edu (bowman.SCF.ORST.EDU [128.193.161.87]) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id NAA08562 for ; Wed, 17 Jan 2001 13:32:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (morgan@localhost) by bowman.scf.orst.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA31046; Wed, 17 Jan 2001 10:32:46 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: bowman.scf.orst.edu: morgan owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 10:32:46 -0800 (PST) From: andrew morgan X-Sender: To: Steve Devine cc: Subject: Re: tcpwrappers & inetd.conf In-Reply-To: <01011713124909.06936@jax> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 17 Jan 2001, Steve Devine wrote: > Hello all, > I have been trying to implement tcpwrappers and netatalk in order to limit > connections via hosts.allow and hosts.deny. I have seen statements in archives > stating that the inetd.conf file is to be left alone. All seem to advocate an > entry in the services file as such: > afpovertcp 548/tcp > afpovertcp 548/udp > I wonder if netatalk is not called via inetd.conf how is it run? > A rc script maybe and if so is a reference to tcpd required? > Please if anyone is successfully using tcpwrappers / netatalk I would greatly > hearing how you did it. > I am using tcpwrappers 7.6 netatalk 1.4b2+asun2.1.3 on a Sun Ultra5 / Solaris > 2.6 You can compile afpd with tcp-wrappers support in it, so it will honor any directories itself. You don't need to call it within inetd or tcpd for this to work. The service name in your allow/deny files is "afpd". On most installations, there is an rc script which starts atalkd, afpd, and papd. Andy From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Wed Jan 17 14:19:14 2001 Return-Path: Received: from kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.25]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id OAA19695 for ; Wed, 17 Jan 2001 14:19:14 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id OAA22111 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Wed, 17 Jan 2001 14:19:14 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id OAA22094 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Wed, 17 Jan 2001 14:19:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from jax.cl.msu.edu (jax.cl.msu.edu [35.8.1.151]) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id OAA22008 for ; Wed, 17 Jan 2001 14:19:11 -0500 (EST) Received: (from sdevine@localhost) by jax.cl.msu.edu (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.1) id OAA07488; Wed, 17 Jan 2001 14:18:59 -0500 (EST) From: Steve Devine Reply-To: sdevine@msu.edu Organization: Michigan State University To: andrew morgan Subject: Re: tcpwrappers & inetd.conf Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 14:10:42 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.0.28] Content-Type: text/plain Cc: References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <0101171418590A.06936@jax> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On Wed, 17 Jan 2001, andrew morgan wrote: > On Wed, 17 Jan 2001, Steve Devine wrote: > > > Hello all, > > I have been trying to implement tcpwrappers and netatalk in order to limit > > connections via hosts.allow and hosts.deny. I have seen statements in archives > > stating that the inetd.conf file is to be left alone. All seem to advocate an > > entry in the services file as such: > > afpovertcp 548/tcp > > afpovertcp 548/udp > > I wonder if netatalk is not called via inetd.conf how is it run? > > A rc script maybe and if so is a reference to tcpd required? > > Please if anyone is successfully using tcpwrappers / netatalk I would greatly > > hearing how you did it. > > I am using tcpwrappers 7.6 netatalk 1.4b2+asun2.1.3 on a Sun Ultra5 / Solaris > > 2.6 > > You can compile afpd with tcp-wrappers support in it, so it will honor any > directories itself. You don't need to call it within inetd or tcpd for > this to work. The service name in your allow/deny files is "afpd". > Thanks for your quick response. Am I to leave the entry in services file? This seems less than usefull without inetd calling afpd. I have compiled netatalk with tcp wrappers support .. in the Makefile there is this reference to tcpwrappers : # Location of the tcp wrapper library and include files. Comment this out # if you don't want tcp wrapper support. having tcp wrapper support is # highly recommended. TCPWRAPDIR=/usr/local/tcp_wrappers I assume this to mean the directory that contains the source code. I have tried this sixteen ways to sunday an I have yet to be able to control access via hosts.allow BTW: netatalk seems happy to compile regardless of what I put under the tcpwrapdir= > On most installations, there is an rc script which starts atalkd, afpd, > and papd. > > Andy -- /////////////////////////////////// Steve Devine Information Technology Professional MSU Computer Laboratory phone: (517) 355-4500 x242 fax: (517) 353-9847 ///////////////// From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Wed Jan 17 15:46:51 2001 Return-Path: Received: from kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.25]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id PAA22611 for ; Wed, 17 Jan 2001 15:46:51 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id PAA18859 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Wed, 17 Jan 2001 15:46:51 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id PAA18840 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Wed, 17 Jan 2001 15:46:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from bowman.scf.orst.edu (bowman.SCF.ORST.EDU [128.193.161.87]) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id PAA18771 for ; Wed, 17 Jan 2001 15:46:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (morgan@localhost) by bowman.scf.orst.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA14235; Wed, 17 Jan 2001 12:46:44 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: bowman.scf.orst.edu: morgan owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 12:46:44 -0800 (PST) From: andrew morgan X-Sender: To: Steve Devine cc: Subject: Re: tcpwrappers & inetd.conf In-Reply-To: <0101171418590A.06936@jax> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 17 Jan 2001, Steve Devine wrote: > Thanks for your quick response. Am I to leave the entry in services file? This > seems less than usefull without inetd calling afpd. I have compiled netatalk > with tcp wrappers support .. in the Makefile there is this reference to > tcpwrappers : > # Location of the tcp wrapper library and include files. Comment this out > # if you don't want tcp wrapper support. having tcp wrapper support is > # highly recommended. > TCPWRAPDIR=/usr/local/tcp_wrappers > I assume this to mean the directory that contains the source code. I have > tried this sixteen ways to sunday an I have yet to be able to control access > via hosts.allow > BTW: > netatalk seems happy to compile regardless of what I put under the tcpwrapdir= You should leave the entries in /etc/services, although I'm not sure what they are used for. You can check to see if afpd is linked against the tcp-wrappers libraries by typing "ldd afpd". Check that it says "libwrap" in the list. Andy From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Wed Jan 17 15:47:41 2001 Return-Path: Received: from funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.27]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id PAA22700 for ; Wed, 17 Jan 2001 15:47:41 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id PAA24943 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Wed, 17 Jan 2001 15:47:35 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id PAA24914 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Wed, 17 Jan 2001 15:47:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from smart.visp-europe.psi.com (smart.visp-europe.psi.com [212.222.105.5]) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id PAA24852 for ; Wed, 17 Jan 2001 15:47:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from n164-38.berlin.snafu.de ([195.21.164.38] helo=athlet.deltaman.de) by smart.visp-europe.psi.com with esmtp (Exim 3.14 #1) id 14IzUV-0002uq-00 for netatalk-admins@umich.edu; Wed, 17 Jan 2001 21:47:35 +0100 Received: from athlet (root@athlet.deltaman.de [192.168.1.1]) by athlet.deltaman.de (8.9.3/8.9.3/SuSE Linux 8.9.3-0.1) with SMTP id VAA25021 for ; Wed, 17 Jan 2001 21:46:33 +0100 From: Carsten Neumann Reply-To: deltor@snafu.de To: netatalk-admins@umich.edu Subject: Re: Is it a Zone problem ? Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 21:34:22 +0100 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.0.28] Content-Type: text/plain References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <01011721463300.24709@athlet> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu id PAA22700 On Wed, 17 Jan 2001, Deepak Gupta wrote: > I have ibook (blue) with MacOS and Apple Personal Laser NTR. > But I'm love of Linux, so I have SuSe Linux on ibook with > netetalk running. ibook do not have any apple/parellel/serial port so to > use the printer I have Farallon EtherMac Printer adapter, which connect > to Ethernet port on ibook, and Appletalk port on Printer. > Everything works fine with ibook running MacOS, and I use printer > without any problem. > > But my favourite linux has problem. After setting Netatalk, by > following the various hints from Web etc. > Running nbplkup gives > [root@linux /root]# nbplkup > linux:AFPServer 65280.200:128 > linux:netatalk 65280.200:4 > linux:Workstation 65280.200:4 > > But do not shows any Printer entry. > > And getzone gives > [root@linux /root]# getzones > atp_rresp: Connection timed out > > Many people seems to get this getzone response on Single Zone > network, but some are not (As I get to know by browsing mailing list). > I will also don't bother about it, if my printer works. > > I am Guessing following problems (but don't know solutions). > > 1) Printer is on a zone differnet from that of default, and hence > nbplkup do not shows it. As getzones fails, I can't even find out > that if there exist a zone other than default (and what's its name). > But if this is the problem, why things work with MacOS ? And how > to confirm it and correct it, finaly, on linux? > > 2) Do I need to do something `special' to see the printer across > Farallon Adapter ? (But as I remember I never did anything special > to make it run under MacOS. It just worked!) If yes, What ? > > 3) Rare possibility, but I need to define the printer's Name/Zone > somewhere. But where and how ? > > 4) Something else ...... > > Please HELP. Your help will prevent me to reboot the machine in MacOS to > just take the printouts. Seems I had exactly the same problem. Bringing the Ethernet interface of my linux box into promiscous mode solved my problem. Typing /sbin/ifconfig eth0 promisc will do this. Regards Carsten From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Wed Jan 17 16:37:18 2001 Return-Path: Received: from kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.25]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id QAA24421 for ; Wed, 17 Jan 2001 16:37:18 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id QAA15400 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Wed, 17 Jan 2001 16:37:18 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id QAA15376 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Wed, 17 Jan 2001 16:37:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from schilling.ucdavis.edu (schilling.ucdavis.edu [169.237.105.1]) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id QAA15293 for ; Wed, 17 Jan 2001 16:37:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from prometheus.mailbox.ucdavis.edu (iras-2-54.ucdavis.edu [169.237.16.182]) by schilling.ucdavis.edu (8.11.1/8.11.0/IT4.4.8) with ESMTP id f0HLb9C17479; Wed, 17 Jan 2001 13:37:10 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <5.0.2.1.0.20010117133339.03752c60@127.0.0.1> X-Sender: itlm019/mailbox.ucdavis.edu@127.0.0.1 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0.2 Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 13:35:09 -0800 To: Alex King , netatalk-admins@umich.edu From: "Marc J. Miller" Subject: Re: FAQ In-Reply-To: <20010117084950.A12737@milton.king.net.nz> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed There is one in progress which you may add to, though I don't think it includes all the topics you mentioned here. It's a link off of http://www.sourceforge.net/projects/netatalk. At 08:49 AM 1/17/01 +1300, Alex King wrote: >Is there a reasonably up to date FAQ around? I am thinking of >questions I have seen on the list lately re. Compiling, Permissions >problems, file locking, availability etc. > >If not would anyone be interested if I compiled one and posted it to >the list periodically? > >I don't have a lot of time to do basic research, but I could have a >list of unanswered questions and grab usefull answers off the list. I >certainly am not a netatalk expert, but I admin a few systems running >netatalk. My users would benefit from me having a bit more knowledge >abut netatalk, and I imagine compiling a FAQ will help me learn :-) > >This is just a toe in the water to test reactions. > >PS. If there is already someone maintaining a FAQ, please accept my >apologies (and point me in the right direction) From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Wed Jan 17 16:45:01 2001 Return-Path: Received: from funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.27]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id QAA24814 for ; Wed, 17 Jan 2001 16:45:00 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id QAA27189 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Wed, 17 Jan 2001 16:44:55 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id QAA27149 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Wed, 17 Jan 2001 16:44:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from franc.ucdavis.edu (franc.ucdavis.edu [169.237.105.2]) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id QAA27093 for ; Wed, 17 Jan 2001 16:44:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from prometheus.mailbox.ucdavis.edu (iras-2-54.ucdavis.edu [169.237.16.182]) by franc.ucdavis.edu (8.11.1/8.11.0/IT4.4.8) with ESMTP id f0HLit019291 for ; Wed, 17 Jan 2001 13:44:55 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <5.0.2.1.0.20010117134024.00a58610@127.0.0.1> X-Sender: itlm019/mailbox.ucdavis.edu@127.0.0.1 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0.2 Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 13:42:29 -0800 To: netatalk-admins@umich.edu From: "Marc J. Miller" Subject: Re: "don't have enough privileges to create folder" error (attn: mailing list admin!!) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed I'm not sure if this was caused by a typo from the mailing list or from some individual. Nevertheless, this is what I tried to post a moment ago... >X-POP3-Rcpt: itlm019@ike >Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 13:37:10 -0800 (PST) >From: Mail Delivery Subsystem >To: >Subject: Returned mail: see transcript for details >Auto-Submitted: auto-generated (failure) > >The original message was received at Wed, 17 Jan 2001 13:37:06 -0800 (PST) >from iras-2-54.ucdavis.edu [169.237.16.182] > > ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors ----- > > (reason: 550 Host unknown) > > ----- Transcript of session follows ----- >550 5.1.2 ... Host unknown (Name server: >umich.deu: host not found) >Reporting-MTA: dns; schilling.ucdavis.edu >Received-From-MTA: DNS; iras-2-54.ucdavis.edu >Arrival-Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 13:37:06 -0800 (PST) > >Final-Recipient: RFC822; netatalk-admins@umich.deu >Action: failed >Status: 5.1.2 >Remote-MTA: DNS; umich.deu >Diagnostic-Code: SMTP; 550 Host unknown >Last-Attempt-Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 13:37:10 -0800 (PST) >Return-Path: >Received: from prometheus.mailbox.ucdavis.edu (iras-2-54.ucdavis.edu >[169.237.16.182]) > by schilling.ucdavis.edu (8.11.1/8.11.0/IT4.4.8) with ESMTP id > f0HLb5C17451; > Wed, 17 Jan 2001 13:37:06 -0800 (PST) >Message-Id: <5.0.2.1.0.20010117133043.0377ac10@127.0.0.1> >X-Sender: itlm019/mailbox.ucdavis.edu@127.0.0.1 >X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0.2 >Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 13:33:17 -0800 >To: chad@objectwerks.com, netatalk-admins@umich.deu >From: "Marc J. Miller" >Subject: Re: "don't have enough privileges to create folder" error >Cc: chad@objectwerks.com >In-Reply-To: <414898715.979667442@[192.168.99.123]> >Mime-Version: 1.0 >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed > >Usually directories designated for use with AppleShare have the setgid >(g+s) bit set. It forces inheritance of permissions. Without it, the >.AppleDouble subdirectory can't be created since the new folder doesn't >necessarily have the same write privileges. > >At 05:50 PM 1/16/01 -0500, Chad Leigh, Objectwerks, Inc. wrote: >>Hi >> >>This appears more complicated than the title suggests. I looked at the >>FAQ on sourceforge.net and the question that appears to be the same as >>mine but the solution did not solve it. >> >>I try and create a folder anywhere in my share and it says I can't >>because I don't have enouhg privileges but idoes it anyway. The user I >>am logging in as has complete rights to the files and folders listed in >>the share, including user and group r+w+x privilege. >> >>I try and copy in a folder from the Mac and it creates the folder but >>then says that it has no rights to create the first file contained in >>that folder and quits. >> >>I have 1.42+asun version on FreeBSD 4.2. >> >>I have a share that is owned by user "chad" group "staff". Here is the >>configuration in the AppleVolumes.default file in /usr/local/etc >> >>/mirror1/companies "Company Data" options=crlf >> >>megumi# cd /mirror1/companies/ >>megumi# ls -al >>total 14 >>drwxrwx--- 14 chad staff 512 Jan 16 15:41 . >>drwxrwx--- 8 root wheel 512 Jan 8 20:39 .. >>drwxrwx--- 6 chad staff 512 Jan 6 18:38 .AppleDesktop >>drwxrwx--- 2 chad staff 512 Jan 6 18:30 .AppleDouble >>drwxrwx--- 4 chad staff 512 Jan 16 14:05 Applications >>drwxrwx--- 5 chad staff 512 Jan 6 18:39 Leigh America Company >>drwxrwx--- 3 chad staff 512 Jan 16 15:28 Network Trash Folder >>drwxrwx--- 4 chad staff 512 Jan 6 18:22 Shire.Net LLC >>drwxrwx--- 3 chad staff 512 Jan 6 18:19 TheFindByContentFolder >>drwxrwx--- 3 chad staff 512 Jan 6 18:20 TheVolumeSettingsFolder >>drwxrwx--- 3 chad staff 512 Jan 16 15:24 untitled folder >>drwxrwx--- 3 chad staff 512 Jan 16 15:28 untitled folder 1 >>drwxrwx--- 3 chad staff 512 Jan 16 15:28 untitled folder 2 >>drwxrwx--- 3 chad staff 512 Jan 16 15:41 untitled folder 3 >> >>I am logging in as user "chad" which has a default group "staff" in the >>passwd file on the FreeBSD box. >> >>Using ps -aux I list 3 afpd, two running as user "chad" (from 2 macs" and >>one as root which I assume is the one listed as "LISTEN" when I do a >>netstat -a. >> >>When all the files were listed as >> >>drwxr-xr-x it didn't work either. >> >>The console is giving me the message: afpd[blah]: setdirmode: chmod >>.AppleDouble"Operation not permitted >> >>I check all the .AppleDouble folders and they are all owned by the same >>user / group chad:staff as is the user logging in and they are all >>rwxrwx--- (also tried rwxr-xr-x) so I don't know what operation is not >>permitted on which .AppleDouble since the user is all correct as far as I >>can tell. >> >>I am stuck and don't know what I can do and cannot find any documentation >>or anything that gives me more enlightenment. Anyone care to give me a hand? >> >>Thanks >>Chad > From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Wed Jan 17 16:46:48 2001 Return-Path: Received: from kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.25]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id QAA24942 for ; Wed, 17 Jan 2001 16:46:48 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id QAA03271 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Wed, 17 Jan 2001 16:46:48 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id QAA03242 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Wed, 17 Jan 2001 16:46:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from rgrjr.dyndns.org (h0050da615e79.ne.mediaone.net [24.218.161.12]) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with SMTP id QAA03179 for ; Wed, 17 Jan 2001 16:46:46 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 1876 invoked by uid 500); 17 Jan 2001 21:46:43 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <14950.4802.985600.180758@h0050da615e79.ne.mediaone.net> Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 16:46:42 -0500 From: Bob Rogers To: Basil Hussain Cc: Netatalk List Subject: Hidden Files Not Being Copied In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: VM 6.89 under Emacs 20.7.1 From: Basil Hussain Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 13:04:11 +0000 I duplicated (i.e. Apple-D, not a copy) a whole folder, but discovered that hidden files (i.e. anything starting with a dot) were not copied! For example, this folder contained two hidden files, .htaccess and .htpasswd - they hadn't been copied in the duplication! Would this be a problem at the MacOS client end (MacOS 9.0.4), or something to-do with Netatalk (netatalk 1.4.99-20001108)? This is more or less a feature of netatalk, in that it keeps the hidden files hidden from the Macs. Otherwise, ".", "..", and ".AppleDouble" would be problematic; you might get .AppleDouble directories in your .AppleDouble directories . . . -- Bob Rogers From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Thu Jan 18 03:40:35 2001 Return-Path: Received: from funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.27]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id DAA10687 for ; Thu, 18 Jan 2001 03:40:35 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id DAA22935 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Thu, 18 Jan 2001 03:40:29 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id DAA22902 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Thu, 18 Jan 2001 03:40:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from specialreserve.net (www3.reserve.co.uk [195.216.17.3]) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id DAA22867 for ; Thu, 18 Jan 2001 03:40:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from [192.168.1.57] (195.216.17.40) by specialreserve.net with ESMTP (Eudora Internet Mail Server 2.2.2); Thu, 18 Jan 2001 08:40:23 +0000 User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 08:40:22 +0000 Subject: Re: Hidden Files Not Being Copied From: Basil Hussain To: Bob Rogers CC: Netatalk List Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <14950.4802.985600.180758@h0050da615e79.ne.mediaone.net> Mime-version: 1.0 Organization: Inter-Mediates Ltd. Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Hi, > This is more or less a feature of netatalk, in that it keeps the hidden > files hidden from the Macs. Otherwise, ".", "..", and ".AppleDouble" > would be problematic; you might get .AppleDouble directories in your > .AppleDouble directories . . . Yes, I agree - if it's hidden, it should be hidden and the .AppleDouble directories need to be handled transparently and not copied - to do so would mess things up a fair bit, I would imagine. But, still, if it is Netatalk choosing not to copy *other* 'dot' files or directories upon a duplication of the containing directory, then this is plainly not correct! Anyway, I was thinking about this and (unless anyone who knows Netatalk can tell me the real answer) I've come to the conclusion that it's probably not Netatalk's fault. In my experience, MacOS is quite dumb when it comes to some things, and thinking about the way it probably works leads me to imagine that when you initiate a duplication of a directory (or just a straight copy) MacOS recursively traverses the directory structure and tells the underlying filesystem - in this case, Netatalk - to individually copy each file. But, as at the MacOS end it doesn't even *know* about any hidden files, it won't tell the filesystem to copy them. So basically, if you can't see it, you can't copy it. But, as I said, I might be wrong. Really, the base of this problem really stems from the clash between MacOS having no notion of hidden files and UNIX systems making prolific use of them. Ah, well... Regards, ------------------------------------------------ Basil Hussain (basil.hussain@specialreserve.net) P.S. By the way, what is the difference between a duplication and a copy? All I know is that you can duplicate the folder of something like WebSTAR whilst it's running, but not copy it) From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Thu Jan 18 06:39:50 2001 Return-Path: Received: from funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.27]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id GAA14058 for ; Thu, 18 Jan 2001 06:39:49 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id GAA25501 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Thu, 18 Jan 2001 06:39:43 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id GAA25472 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Thu, 18 Jan 2001 06:39:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from tsmtp3.ldap.isp ([195.235.113.141]) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id GAA25408 for ; Thu, 18 Jan 2001 06:39:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from cubeship.borgspace.alpha ([213.97.106.73]) by tsmtp3.ldap.isp (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with ESMTP id G7CW8H07.QMO; Thu, 18 Jan 2001 12:36:17 +0100 Received: from tangy.borgspace.alpha ([10.0.0.3] helo=tangy) by cubeship.borgspace.alpha with smtp (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 14JDPY-00027R-00; Thu, 18 Jan 2001 12:39:24 +0100 Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 12:39:12 +0100 From: Jason Quigley Reply-To: jasonq@usa.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Hidden Files Not Being Copied Cc: Netatalk List To: Basil Hussain Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu id GAA14058 On Thursday, January 18, 2001, at 09:40 AM, Basil Hussain wrote: > > In my experience, MacOS is quite dumb when it comes to some things, and > thinking about the way it probably works leads me to imagine that when you > initiate a duplication of a directory (or just a straight copy) MacOS > recursively traverses the directory structure and tells the underlying > filesystem - in this case, Netatalk - to individually copy each file. But, > as at the MacOS end it doesn't even *know* about any hidden files, it won't > tell the filesystem to copy them. So basically, if you can't see it, you > can't copy it. > MacOS is not dumb at all about this. What it's doing makes perfect sense! Files beginning with a dot on MacOS are normally considered to be disk driver files. You can't see these files and copying them to your hard drive could cause problems later. > > But, as I said, I might be wrong. Really, the base of this problem really > stems from the clash between MacOS having no notion of hidden files and UNIX > systems making prolific use of them. Ah, well... > MacOS does have a notion of hidden files. They are simply called invisible files. Based on what you're saying, it could be said that the problem stems from UNIX systems having no notion of forked files. If they did, then a Mac file server on UNIX would be much easier to implement. Cheers, Jason. From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Thu Jan 18 08:42:08 2001 Return-Path: Received: from easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.26]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id IAA16752 for ; Thu, 18 Jan 2001 08:42:08 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id IAA18692 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Thu, 18 Jan 2001 08:42:08 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id IAA18670 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Thu, 18 Jan 2001 08:42:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from specialreserve.net (www3.reserve.co.uk [195.216.17.3]) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id IAA18521 for ; Thu, 18 Jan 2001 08:42:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from [192.168.1.57] (195.216.17.40) by specialreserve.net with ESMTP (Eudora Internet Mail Server 2.2.2); Thu, 18 Jan 2001 13:41:58 +0000 User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 13:41:56 +0000 Subject: Re: Hidden Files Not Being Copied From: Basil Hussain To: CC: Netatalk List Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Organization: Inter-Mediates Ltd. Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Hi, > MacOS is not dumb at all about this. What it's doing makes perfect sense! > Files beginning with a dot on MacOS are normally considered to be disk driver > files. You can't see these files and copying them to your hard drive could > cause problems later. Ah, I see. I didn't know about 'disk driver' files. So what you're saying is that MacOS knows 'dot' are there, but it doesn't copy them because it thinks they're something else. > MacOS does have a notion of hidden files. They are simply called invisible > files. Based on what you're saying, it could be said that the problem stems > from UNIX systems having no notion of forked files. If they did, then a Mac > file server on UNIX would be much easier to implement. Yes, you could put it that way as well... :) I suppose an implementation of forked files is why Windows NT4/2000 has always had AppleTalk file sharing, as the NTFS filesystem also has 'streams', as MS call them. So anyway, I'll just have to continue to copy my .htaccess and .htpasswd files in a command prompt on the Netatalk server, as this is really neither a Netatalk or MacOS problem. Regards, ------------------------------------------------ Basil Hussain (basil.hussain@specialreserve.net) From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Thu Jan 18 09:46:58 2001 Return-Path: Received: from funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.27]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id JAA18624 for ; Thu, 18 Jan 2001 09:46:58 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id JAA29051 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Thu, 18 Jan 2001 09:46:51 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id JAA29026 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Thu, 18 Jan 2001 09:46:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from clmboh1-smtp3.columbus.rr.com (dhcp065-024-000-112.columbus.rr.com [65.24.0.112] (may be forged)) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id JAA28984 for ; Thu, 18 Jan 2001 09:46:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.iowna.com (dhcp065-024-023-038.columbus.rr.com [65.24.23.38]) by clmboh1-smtp3.columbus.rr.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id f0IEia722601; Thu, 18 Jan 2001 09:44:36 -0500 (EST) Sender: wmoran@clmboh1-smtp3.columbus.rr.com Message-ID: <3A67012F.CA73CB91@mail.iowna.com> Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 09:43:59 -0500 From: Bill Moran X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (X11; U; FreeBSD 4.2-STABLE i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Basil Hussain CC: jasonq@usa.net, Netatalk List Subject: Re: Hidden Files Not Being Copied References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Basil Hussain wrote: > > MacOS does have a notion of hidden files. They are simply called invisible > > files. Based on what you're saying, it could be said that the problem stems > > from UNIX systems having no notion of forked files. If they did, then a Mac > > file server on UNIX would be much easier to implement. > > Yes, you could put it that way as well... :) I suppose an implementation of > forked files is why Windows NT4/2000 has always had AppleTalk file sharing, > as the NTFS filesystem also has 'streams', as MS call them. > > So anyway, I'll just have to continue to copy my .htaccess and .htpasswd > files in a command prompt on the Netatalk server, as this is really neither > a Netatalk or MacOS problem. Really, when you think about it, shouldn't Netatalk translate dotfiles to "invisible" files on the Mac? Mangle the filename with an underscore or something. Just a thought/suggestion. -Bill From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Thu Jan 18 10:04:20 2001 Return-Path: Received: from kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.25]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id KAA19138 for ; Thu, 18 Jan 2001 10:04:20 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id KAA21259 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Thu, 18 Jan 2001 10:04:20 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id KAA21246 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Thu, 18 Jan 2001 10:04:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from specialreserve.net (www3.reserve.co.uk [195.216.17.3]) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id KAA21232 for ; Thu, 18 Jan 2001 10:04:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from [192.168.1.57] (195.216.17.40) by specialreserve.net with ESMTP (Eudora Internet Mail Server 2.2.2); Thu, 18 Jan 2001 15:04:10 +0000 User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 15:04:08 +0000 Subject: Re: Hidden Files Not Being Copied From: Basil Hussain To: Netatalk List Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <3A67012F.CA73CB91@mail.iowna.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Organization: Inter-Mediates Ltd. Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Hi all, > Really, when you think about it, shouldn't Netatalk translate dotfiles > to "invisible" files on the Mac? Mangle the filename with an underscore > or something. Just a thought/suggestion. This has got me thinking. The above suggestion wouldn't really hold water with any kind of out-of-the-norm usage, because what if you actually have non-hidden files who's names start with underscores? The same applies to almost any character you might think of as well. However, I just remembered seeing somewhere someone mention something about sending 'popup' messages to Mac clients using Netatalk - like in a similar manner to Winpopup on Windows. Could it not be implemented so, that when a folder duplication or copy action is perfomed, Netatalk recognises this somehow and checks the contents of the folder for hidden 'dot' files/directories (other than .AppleDouble, obviously) and sends a message to the client Mac saying if there are? Something along the lines of: "The folder you just copied contained hidden files and hidden directories. If you wanted to copy these too, you must do it manually.". Although (as pondered in my previous message), if the file copy actions are initiated client-side, then this couldn't happen, could it? Or could it? Anyway, this is just an idea. Any comments? Regards, ------------------------------------------------ Basil Hussain (basil.hussain@specialreserve.net) From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Thu Jan 18 10:12:11 2001 Return-Path: Received: from funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.27]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id KAA19389 for ; Thu, 18 Jan 2001 10:12:11 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id KAA16282 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Thu, 18 Jan 2001 10:12:05 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id KAA16246 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Thu, 18 Jan 2001 10:12:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from sherman.che.utexas.edu (che.utexas.edu [128.83.162.80]) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id KAA16196 for ; Thu, 18 Jan 2001 10:12:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from [128.83.162.148] (foggy.che.utexas.edu [128.83.162.148]) by sherman.che.utexas.edu (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id f0IFC8e15456 for ; Thu, 18 Jan 2001 09:12:08 -0600 (CST) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: james@mail.che.utexas.edu Message-Id: X-My-Dog: Sugar (Boxer/Chow Mix) Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 09:12:14 -0600 To: Netatalk List From: James Hammett Subject: Netatalk and Undefined Zones Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Originally our ethernet network was segmented into 2 ethertalk zones (plus several localtalk). This was done using Shiva Fastpaths. Currently the netatalk server sits on 2 of the ethertalk zones, though the machine has no configuration information for eth0 or eth1. We are considering getting rid of the equpment which routes (and defines) the 2 ethertalk zones. (The really old fastpath(s)). For various reasons the networking group is unwilling to route Appletalk between the 2 remaining network subnets. When we do this, what will the Netatalk box do? Will it simply bridge the trafic between the ethernet segments? Will it just sit between the 2 networks and not do anything? Will it create zones called 'eth0' and 'eth1' and route between them? or will it do something completely unpredicatable? thanks, James ps: If you have any questions, please drop me a note. -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- James Hammett ACITS (Academic Computing) CPE 4.468 Chemical Engineering Unix Support 471-9701 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- An injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere - MLK jr. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Thu Jan 18 10:33:58 2001 Return-Path: Received: from kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.25]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id KAA20264 for ; Thu, 18 Jan 2001 10:33:58 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id KAA22151 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Thu, 18 Jan 2001 10:33:58 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id KAA21919 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Thu, 18 Jan 2001 10:33:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from clmboh1-smtp3.columbus.rr.com (dhcp065-024-000-112.columbus.rr.com [65.24.0.112] (may be forged)) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id KAA21860 for ; Thu, 18 Jan 2001 10:33:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.iowna.com (dhcp065-024-023-038.columbus.rr.com [65.24.23.38]) by clmboh1-smtp3.columbus.rr.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id f0IFVN702108; Thu, 18 Jan 2001 10:31:23 -0500 (EST) Sender: wmoran@clmboh1-smtp3.columbus.rr.com Message-ID: <3A670C27.D85FD46B@mail.iowna.com> Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 10:30:47 -0500 From: Bill Moran X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (X11; U; FreeBSD 4.2-STABLE i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Basil Hussain CC: Netatalk List Subject: Re: Hidden Files Not Being Copied References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Basil Hussain wrote: > > Hi all, > > > Really, when you think about it, shouldn't Netatalk translate dotfiles > > to "invisible" files on the Mac? Mangle the filename with an underscore > > or something. Just a thought/suggestion. > > The above suggestion wouldn't really hold water with any kind of > out-of-the-norm usage, because what if you actually have non-hidden files > who's names start with underscores? The same applies to almost any character > you might think of as well. I can't see how that would cause a problem. The underscore (or whatever character) is not there to indicate that the file is "invisible", there would be some sort of flag for that at the filesystem level, like the hidden/system/readonly attributes on the old DOS fs. The Mac must have some sort of attributes to indicate that the file is "invisible" (OK, I admit, I don't KNOW, but how else would it be done) The mangle character (underscore in this example) would simply make the filename valid for the Mac. The Mac wouldn't reverse the translation (If you created a file from the Mac that started with an underscore it wouldn't necessarily be invisible) However, on the UNIX box, the file would be created starting with a dot so that it retained its invisible status if it were created invisible from the Mac. Somewhat the same way long filenames are mangled to fit old 8.3 notation. It's a translation scheme really, actually you could do away with the _ altogether, just send the name minus the dot. You could get filename contention problems, but this to could be dealt with somehow. > Could it not be implemented so, that when a folder duplication or copy > action is perfomed, Netatalk recognises this somehow and checks the contents > of the folder for hidden 'dot' files/directories (other than .AppleDouble, > obviously) and sends a message to the client Mac saying if there are? > Something along the lines of: "The folder you just copied contained > hidden files and hidden directories. If you wanted to copy these too, > you must do it manually.". > > Although (as pondered in my previous message), if the file copy actions are > initiated client-side, then this couldn't happen, could it? Or could it? I'm not terribly familiar with Macs, how do you set a file to be invisible? The popup option would be a nice feature, but it seems to me that this could be implemented in a better manner ... something to ponder on. My problem is that I'm simply not that familiar with Macs. -Bill From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Thu Jan 18 10:48:14 2001 Return-Path: Received: from funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.27]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id KAA20758 for ; Thu, 18 Jan 2001 10:48:14 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id KAA15436 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Thu, 18 Jan 2001 10:48:08 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id KAA15392 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Thu, 18 Jan 2001 10:48:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from specialreserve.net (www3.reserve.co.uk [195.216.17.3]) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id KAA15285 for ; Thu, 18 Jan 2001 10:48:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from [192.168.1.57] (195.216.17.40) by specialreserve.net with ESMTP (Eudora Internet Mail Server 2.2.2); Thu, 18 Jan 2001 15:48:08 +0000 User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 15:48:07 +0000 Subject: Re: tcpwrappers & inetd.conf From: Basil Hussain To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Organization: Inter-Mediates Ltd. Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit > You should leave the entries in /etc/services, although I'm not sure what > they are used for. You can check to see if afpd is linked against the > tcp-wrappers libraries by typing "ldd afpd". Check that it says "libwrap" > in the list. I like to make a request to whoever maintains the RPM versions of Netatalk on Sourceforge (sorry, forgot who you are). The RPM version of Netatalk I'm running (netatalk-1.4.99-0.20001108mdk) isn't linked against tcp-wrappers: # ldd /usr/sbin/afpd libcrypto.so.0 => /usr/lib/libcrypto.so.0 (0x40018000) libresolv.so.2 => /lib/libresolv.so.2 (0x400d6000) libnsl.so.1 => /lib/libnsl.so.1 (0x400e5000) libdl.so.2 => /lib/libdl.so.2 (0x400fb000) libdb.so.3 => /lib/libdb.so.3 (0x40100000) libcrypt.so.1 => /lib/libcrypt.so.1 (0x4013a000) libcrack.so.2 => /usr/lib/libcrack.so.2 (0x40168000) libpam.so.0 => /lib/libpam.so.0 (0x40173000) libc.so.6 => /lib/libc.so.6 (0x4017b000) /lib/ld-linux.so.2 => /lib/ld-linux.so.2 (0x40000000) It would be really nice if it was the case, as it would add extra piece-of-mind to people like me who have internet-facing Netatalk servers, so that we can restrict access by IP, etc. BTW, if the new 1.5pre version is linked against tcp-wrappers, then my apologies... :) Regards, ------------------------------------------------ Basil Hussain (basil.hussain@specialreserve.net) From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Thu Jan 18 11:42:48 2001 Return-Path: Received: from funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.27]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id LAA22716 for ; Thu, 18 Jan 2001 11:42:48 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id LAA13009 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Thu, 18 Jan 2001 11:42:41 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id LAA12990 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Thu, 18 Jan 2001 11:42:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from franc.ucdavis.edu (franc.ucdavis.edu [169.237.105.2]) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id LAA12929 for ; Thu, 18 Jan 2001 11:42:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from prometheus.mailbox.ucdavis.edu (iras-3-29.ucdavis.edu [169.237.17.29]) by franc.ucdavis.edu (8.11.1/8.11.0/IT4.4.8) with ESMTP id f0IGga007519; Thu, 18 Jan 2001 08:42:36 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <5.0.2.1.0.20010118083313.00a69070@127.0.0.1> X-Sender: itlm019/mailbox.ucdavis.edu@127.0.0.1 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0.2 Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 08:42:04 -0800 To: "Keith Baker" From: "Marc J. Miller" Subject: Re: FAQ Cc: netatalk-admins@umich.edu In-Reply-To: <003d01c0816c$d748afd0$c000000a@Mumia> References: <5.0.2.1.0.20010117133339.03752c60@127.0.0.1> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=====================_1698122==_.ALT" --=====================_1698122==_.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Go to the DocManager link off of http://www.sourceforge.net/projects/netatalk and read the FAQ on "How to contribute to the FAQ." Steve Freitas (whose e-mail address is at the bottom of the FAQ) is the documentation guy. Any questions you have about writing or submitting a FAQ file can be directed at him. It's also worthy of note that if you have a question which you think is a FAQ but don't know the answer, the above-mentioned document includes how to submit such a question. Right now there's an unanswered FAQ for how to install netatalk. Even if you don't know how to install netatalk 1.5 prerelease (the installation procedure changed since 1.4b2 to make it simpler process), I'm sure there are a lot of people who would love to read that to find out how to install an older version. So if you feel up to answering it, do it!! At 11:36 AM 1/18/01 -0500, you wrote: >I'd like to add to it... how do I? I think I have a lot of usefull insite >now that I have been using it... >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Marc J. Miller" >To: "Alex King" ; >Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2001 4:35 PM >Subject: Re: FAQ > > > > There is one in progress which you may add to, though I don't think it > > includes all the topics you mentioned here. It's a link off of > > http://www.sourceforge.net/projects/netatalk. > > > > At 08:49 AM 1/17/01 +1300, Alex King wrote: > > >Is there a reasonably up to date FAQ around? I am thinking of > > >questions I have seen on the list lately re. Compiling, Permissions > > >problems, file locking, availability etc. > > > > > >If not would anyone be interested if I compiled one and posted it to > > >the list periodically? > > > > > >I don't have a lot of time to do basic research, but I could have a > > >list of unanswered questions and grab usefull answers off the list. I > > >certainly am not a netatalk expert, but I admin a few systems running > > >netatalk. My users would benefit from me having a bit more knowledge > > >abut netatalk, and I imagine compiling a FAQ will help me learn :-) > > > > > >This is just a toe in the water to test reactions. > > > > > >PS. If there is already someone maintaining a FAQ, please accept my > > >apologies (and point me in the right direction) --=====================_1698122==_.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Go to the DocManager link off of http://www.sourceforge.net/projects/netatalk and read the FAQ on "How to contribute to the FAQ."  Steve Freitas (whose e-mail address is at the bottom of the FAQ) is the documentation guy.  Any questions you have about writing or submitting a FAQ file can be directed at him.

It's also worthy of note that if you have a question which you think is a FAQ but don't know the answer, the above-mentioned document includes how to submit such a question.

Right now there's an unanswered FAQ for how to install netatalk.  Even if you don't know how to install netatalk 1.5 prerelease (the installation procedure changed since 1.4b2 to make it simpler process), I'm sure there are a lot of people who would love to read that to find out how to install an older version.  So if you feel up to answering it, do it!!

At 11:36 AM 1/18/01 -0500, you wrote:
I'd like to add to it...  how do I?  I think I have a lot of usefull insite
now that I have been using it...
----- Original Message -----
From: "Marc J. Miller" <itlm019@mailbox.ucdavis.edu>
To: "Alex King" <alex@milton.king.net.nz>; <netatalk-admins@umich.edu>
Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2001 4:35 PM
Subject: Re: FAQ


> There is one in progress which you may add to, though I don't think it
> includes all the topics you mentioned here.  It's a link off of
> http://www.sourceforge.net/projects/netatalk.
>
> At 08:49 AM 1/17/01 +1300, Alex King wrote:
> >Is there a reasonably up to date FAQ around?  I am thinking of
> >questions I have seen on the list lately re. Compiling, Permissions
> >problems, file locking, availability etc.
> >
> >If not would anyone be interested if I compiled one and posted it to
> >the list periodically?
> >
> >I don't have a lot of time to do basic research, but I could have a
> >list of unanswered questions and grab usefull answers off the list.  I
> >certainly am not a netatalk expert, but I admin a few systems running
> >netatalk. My users would benefit from me having a bit more knowledge
> >abut netatalk, and I imagine compiling a FAQ will help me learn :-)
> >
> >This is just a toe in the water to test reactions.
> >
> >PS. If there is already someone maintaining a FAQ, please accept my
> >apologies (and point me in the right direction)
--=====================_1698122==_.ALT-- From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Thu Jan 18 11:59:45 2001 Return-Path: Received: from kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.25]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id LAA23223 for ; Thu, 18 Jan 2001 11:59:45 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id LAA27428 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Thu, 18 Jan 2001 11:59:45 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id LAA27404 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Thu, 18 Jan 2001 11:59:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from univrel.pr.uconn.edu (univrel.pr.uconn.edu [137.99.59.30]) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id LAA27390 for ; Thu, 18 Jan 2001 11:59:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from univrel.pr.uconn.edu (test.pr.uconn.edu [137.99.59.90]) by univrel.pr.uconn.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id LAA03029; Thu, 18 Jan 2001 11:59:40 -0500 Sender: root@univrel.pr.uconn.edu Message-ID: <3A6720C0.2421D744@univrel.pr.uconn.edu> Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 11:58:40 -0500 From: jeff X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.0-0.14mdk i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Basil Hussain CC: netatalk-admins@umich.edu Subject: Re: tcpwrappers & inetd.conf References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Basil Hussain wrote: > > > You should leave the entries in /etc/services, although I'm not sure what > > they are used for. You can check to see if afpd is linked against the > > tcp-wrappers libraries by typing "ldd afpd". Check that it says "libwrap" > > in the list. > > I like to make a request to whoever maintains the RPM versions of Netatalk > on Sourceforge (sorry, forgot who you are). The RPM version of Netatalk I'm > running (netatalk-1.4.99-0.20001108mdk) isn't linked against tcp-wrappers: > > # ldd /usr/sbin/afpd > libcrypto.so.0 => /usr/lib/libcrypto.so.0 (0x40018000) > libresolv.so.2 => /lib/libresolv.so.2 (0x400d6000) > libnsl.so.1 => /lib/libnsl.so.1 (0x400e5000) > libdl.so.2 => /lib/libdl.so.2 (0x400fb000) > libdb.so.3 => /lib/libdb.so.3 (0x40100000) > libcrypt.so.1 => /lib/libcrypt.so.1 (0x4013a000) > libcrack.so.2 => /usr/lib/libcrack.so.2 (0x40168000) > libpam.so.0 => /lib/libpam.so.0 (0x40173000) > libc.so.6 => /lib/libc.so.6 (0x4017b000) > /lib/ld-linux.so.2 => /lib/ld-linux.so.2 (0x40000000) > > It would be really nice if it was the case, as it would add extra > piece-of-mind to people like me who have internet-facing Netatalk servers, > so that we can restrict access by IP, etc. It is linked against tcp_wrappers ... statically. I don't have a libwrap.so to link it against, so I have been sticking to the static library. jeff From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Thu Jan 18 12:08:12 2001 Return-Path: Received: from easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.26]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id MAA23427 for ; Thu, 18 Jan 2001 12:08:11 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id MAA29155 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Thu, 18 Jan 2001 12:08:11 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id MAA29118 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Thu, 18 Jan 2001 12:08:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from s1.vsamarketing.com (host-64-65-196-84.choiceone.net [64.65.196.84]) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id MAA29053 for ; Thu, 18 Jan 2001 12:08:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from jimzarvis (host129.local.vsamarketing.com [192.168.1.129]) by s1.vsamarketing.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id NAA08036 for ; Thu, 18 Jan 2001 13:19:12 -0500 Reply-To: From: "Jim Zarvis" To: Subject: What does DID stand for? Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 12:07:24 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0019_01C08147.3815FC80" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0019_01C08147.3815FC80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Where can I find an online resource that details some of the basic concepts of drive storage that I would need to understand to better grasp the non-persistent DID issue? What does DID stand for? ------=_NextPart_000_0019_01C08147.3815FC80 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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------=_NextPart_000_0019_01C08147.3815FC80-- From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Thu Jan 18 12:10:59 2001 Return-Path: Received: from funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.27]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id MAA23529 for ; Thu, 18 Jan 2001 12:10:59 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id MAA26776 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Thu, 18 Jan 2001 12:10:52 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id MAA26739 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Thu, 18 Jan 2001 12:10:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from inside.trenza.com ([209.58.181.227]) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id MAA26629 for ; Thu, 18 Jan 2001 12:10:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from Mumia (mumia.trenza.com [10.0.0.192]) by inside.trenza.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id MAA07377 for ; Thu, 18 Jan 2001 12:07:27 -0500 Message-ID: <007801c08172$6e353710$c000000a@Mumia> From: "Keith Baker" To: Subject: Who do I write... Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 12:16:44 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Ok... so I got some problems with 1.5b3... namely it won't compile for me RH6.2 Alpha ./configure --with-ssl-dir=/usr/local/ssl --with-tcp-wrappers --with-pam --s ysconfdir=/etc/atalk so... it breaks on a -lcrypto error (I can't remeber were in the code (sorry)) so I remove the -lcrypto and it compiles (I know I know I know I'm bound to break things this way!) after this none of the crypto login UAMs will load (all missing symbols (suprised... I thought not)) Note: 1.4.99 compiles perfectly this way (thanks guys! -- it rules!) Keith P.S. When apple added authentication to printers... Why oh why didn't they keep the authenitcation scheme the same as appleshare!!! I want to use DHX to Authenticate my print shares! From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Thu Jan 18 12:12:56 2001 Return-Path: Received: from funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.27]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id MAA23612 for ; Thu, 18 Jan 2001 12:12:56 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id MAA29760 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Thu, 18 Jan 2001 12:12:49 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id MAA29741 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Thu, 18 Jan 2001 12:12:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from keam1 (keam1.vcc.bc.ca [142.30.247.21]) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with SMTP id MAA29697 for ; Thu, 18 Jan 2001 12:12:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from VCC-Message_Server by keam1 with Novell_GroupWise; Thu, 18 Jan 2001 09:12:55 -0800 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 5.5.3.1 Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 09:12:26 -0800 From: "Bryn Hughes" Cc: Subject: Re: Hidden Files Not Being Copied Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu id MAA23612 It really doesn't sound like it would be impossible to impliment... something along the lines of: if starts with '.' then if is not '.AppleDouble' then copy file, stripping leading period set invisible to true I know that the MacOS by default WILL copy any hidden files/folders in a directory. If you want to see nice evidence of this copy the root level of a Mac's disk to a netatalk share. All the invisible files get copied too. In fact you'll even get messages about copying the desktop printers, as they reside inside the invisible 'Desktop Folder' at the root level of the disk. So in theory files comming FROM a UNIX share that start with a period should be made invisible. I really don't see any reason to keep anything whatsoever like a period in the beginning of the name once it's on the Mac. It's there in Unix as a flag, it just needs to be paired with the invisible flag on the Mac side. Actually, that would probably solve a few of the stranger things that happen with invisible folders/files being visible. Is it possible to have netatalk perform this translataion both ways? I.E. files from a Mac with the invisible flag get a period added to their name on the Unix side, and files beginning with a period get an invisible flag when copied to the Mac side. The ideal solution would be to have netatalk seamlessly doing this conversion even with something as simple as a directory listing. That way it would be completely transparent to everyone. -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ Bryn Hughes Macintosh Tech Support Information and Computing Services Vancouver Community College email:bhughes@vcc.bc.ca ph: (604) 443-8702 fax: (604) 443-8353 -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ >>> Bill Moran - 1/18/01 7:33 AM >>> Basil Hussain wrote: > > Hi all, > > > Really, when you think about it, shouldn't Netatalk translate dotfiles > > to "invisible" files on the Mac? Mangle the filename with an underscore > > or something. Just a thought/suggestion. > > The above suggestion wouldn't really hold water with any kind of > out-of-the-norm usage, because what if you actually have non-hidden files > who's names start with underscores? The same applies to almost any character > you might think of as well. I can't see how that would cause a problem. The underscore (or whatever character) is not there to indicate that the file is "invisible", there would be some sort of flag for that at the filesystem level, like the hidden/system/readonly attributes on the old DOS fs. The Mac must have some sort of attributes to indicate that the file is "invisible" (OK, I admit, I don't KNOW, but how else would it be done) The mangle character (underscore in this example) would simply make the filename valid for the Mac. The Mac wouldn't reverse the translation (If you created a file from the Mac that started with an underscore it wouldn't necessarily be invisible) However, on the UNIX box, the file would be created starting with a dot so that it retained its invisible status if it were created invisible from the Mac. Somewhat the same way long filenames are mangled to fit old 8.3 notation. It's a translation scheme really, actually you could do away with the _ altogether, just send the name minus the dot. You could get filename contention problems, but this to could be dealt with somehow. > Could it not be implemented so, that when a folder duplication or copy > action is perfomed, Netatalk recognises this somehow and checks the contents > of the folder for hidden 'dot' files/directories (other than .AppleDouble, > obviously) and sends a message to the client Mac saying if there are? > Something along the lines of: "The folder you just copied contained > hidden files and hidden directories. If you wanted to copy these too, > you must do it manually.". > > Although (as pondered in my previous message), if the file copy actions are > initiated client-side, then this couldn't happen, could it? Or could it? I'm not terribly familiar with Macs, how do you set a file to be invisible? The popup option would be a nice feature, but it seems to me that this could be implemented in a better manner ... something to ponder on. My problem is that I'm simply not that familiar with Macs. -Bill From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Thu Jan 18 12:27:15 2001 Return-Path: Received: from kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.25]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id MAA24263 for ; Thu, 18 Jan 2001 12:27:15 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id MAA27514 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Thu, 18 Jan 2001 12:27:15 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id MAA27501 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Thu, 18 Jan 2001 12:27:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from ee.cornell.edu (anise.ee.cornell.edu [128.84.239.14]) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id MAA27474 for ; Thu, 18 Jan 2001 12:27:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from [128.84.239.190] (harrier.ee.cornell.edu [128.84.239.190]) by ee.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA23789; Thu, 18 Jan 2001 12:27:09 -0500 (EST) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: rz10@postoffice.mail.cornell.edu Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 12:26:01 -0500 To: Basil Hussain , Netatalk List From: Ray Zimmerman Subject: Re: Hidden Files Not Being Copied Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" At 2:49 PM +0000 1/18/01, Basil Hussain wrote: >Hi, > >> I have no problems creating a folder on my local Mac disk with a file >> named .htaccess in it. I can duplicate that folder with no trouble >> and I can even copy it to my netatalk volume and back with no trouble. > >My problem wan't that I couldn't copy. On the contrary, there are no >problems there. It was just that when copying/duplicating a folder >*containing* a .htaccess file, the .htaccess file itself wasn't being copied >(in fact, no 'dot' hidden files at all). > >Thanks for the reply anyway. But that's exactly what I'm saying I can do just fine. I create a folder on the Mac and save a file called .htaccess in that folder. I copy the folder to my netatalk volume (the file goes with it). I duplicate the folder on the netatalk volume (the file is in the duplicated folder). I copy the new folder somewhere else on the netatalk volume (the .htaccess file gets copied with it). It all behaves just fine as far as I can see. ... ah ... just tried something else. It seems that if I create the .htaccess on the Unix side I run into the trouble you see. But if the file is created from the Mac (either via Save As to the netatalk volume or via copy from a Mac disk to the netatalk volume) it works fine because it encodes the '.' in the file name as ':2e'). Hope this helps ... Ray From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Thu Jan 18 12:36:01 2001 Return-Path: Received: from easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.26]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id MAA24796 for ; Thu, 18 Jan 2001 12:36:01 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id MAA17192 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Thu, 18 Jan 2001 12:36:01 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id MAA17173 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Thu, 18 Jan 2001 12:36:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from ee.cornell.edu (anise.ee.cornell.edu [128.84.239.14]) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id MAA17081 for ; Thu, 18 Jan 2001 12:35:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from [128.84.239.190] (harrier.ee.cornell.edu [128.84.239.190]) by ee.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA23983 for ; Thu, 18 Jan 2001 12:35:56 -0500 (EST) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: rz10@postoffice.mail.cornell.edu Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3A670C27.D85FD46B@mail.iowna.com> References: <3A670C27.D85FD46B@mail.iowna.com> Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 12:35:50 -0500 To: Netatalk List From: Ray Zimmerman Subject: Re: Hidden Files Not Being Copied Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" At 10:30 AM -0500 1/18/01, Bill Moran wrote: >I'm not terribly familiar with Macs, how do you set a file to be >invisible? Each file has a set of attributes stored with it indicating whether it is visible, the file type, creator app, whether it is locked, etc. I should also mention that on MacOS a filename starting with a . is NOT an illegal name. Or to get rid of the double negative ... it's JUST FINE. I have .htaccess files on my Mac and they've never behaved any differently than files with other names. The problem is that in *nix the . means it's invisible, whereas on the Mac it just means that you wanted to call your file . ... netatalk has to try to do what you want and I think it seems to be doing pretty close to the right thing, though it does seem that it could take .files (with the exception of .AppleDouble) and treat them as .files with the invisible bit set (I see no need to change the name). This way they would be "seen" by the MacOS (but not by the Mac user) and hence copied along with the enclosing folder. Thoughts? Ray From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Thu Jan 18 12:48:52 2001 Return-Path: Received: from easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.26]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id MAA25302 for ; Thu, 18 Jan 2001 12:48:52 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id MAA09169 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Thu, 18 Jan 2001 12:48:51 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id MAA09139 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Thu, 18 Jan 2001 12:48:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from quartz.dis.strath.ac.uk (quartz.dis.strath.ac.uk [130.159.120.5]) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id MAA09090 for ; Thu, 18 Jan 2001 12:48:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from dis.strath.ac.uk (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by quartz.dis.strath.ac.uk (8.11.0/8.11.0/2.7) with ESMTP id f0IHmhZ19794 for ; Thu, 18 Jan 2001 17:48:47 GMT To: Netatalk List Subject: Re: Hidden Files Not Being Copied References: Reply-To: sinclair@dis.strath.ac.uk Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 17:48:43 +0000 Message-ID: <19791.979840123@dis.strath.ac.uk> From: Duncan Sinclair Talk about the blind leading the blind!!! Mac files can start with a "." - try it! That restriction was removed years ago. Mac files can be marked hidden (e.g. the Desktop file, the Trash folder...) Netatalk doesn't show dot files to the Mac. Because the Mac doesn't see dot files, it doesn't know to copy them. It should be possible to get netatalk to tell the mac about dot files, but mark them hidden. "Just a Simple Matter of Programming." (TM) Naturally, special care would have to be taken for the .AppleDouble directory. Go on, tell me I'm wrong - I've not verified any of this. Cheers, Duncan. From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Thu Jan 18 12:49:05 2001 Return-Path: Received: from funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.27]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id MAA25330 for ; Thu, 18 Jan 2001 12:49:05 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id MAA29448 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Thu, 18 Jan 2001 12:48:59 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id MAA29390 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Thu, 18 Jan 2001 12:48:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from rakete.joerdens.de (rakete.joerdens.de [62.104.116.200]) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id MAA29313 for ; Thu, 18 Jan 2001 12:48:55 -0500 (EST) Received: (from frank@localhost) by rakete.joerdens.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA08960 for netatalk-admins@umich.edu; Thu, 18 Jan 2001 18:48:46 +0100 Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 18:48:46 +0100 From: Frank Joerdens To: netatalk-admins@umich.edu Subject: too many connections Message-ID: <20010118184846.A8867@rakete.joerdens.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii User-Agent: Mutt/1.1.2i X-Subliminal-Message: Use Linux! Use Linux! I get the following error: Jan 18 15:46:16 limedes afpd[14394]: dsi_getsess: too many connections and clients not being able to connect although I've set the parameter AFPD_MAX_CLIENTS=100 in the file /etc/atalk/netatalk.conf, and I've got less than 15 Macs which connect to the server all in all. The version I am running is 1.4b2+asun2.1.3. Any ideas? Ta, Frank From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Thu Jan 18 12:57:58 2001 Return-Path: Received: from easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.26]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id MAA25730 for ; Thu, 18 Jan 2001 12:57:58 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id MAA25572 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Thu, 18 Jan 2001 12:57:58 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id MAA25540 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Thu, 18 Jan 2001 12:57:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from ee.cornell.edu (anise.ee.cornell.edu [128.84.239.14]) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id MAA25491 for ; Thu, 18 Jan 2001 12:57:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from [128.84.239.190] (harrier.ee.cornell.edu [128.84.239.190]) by ee.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA24481; Thu, 18 Jan 2001 12:57:46 -0500 (EST) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: rz10@postoffice.mail.cornell.edu Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 12:57:37 -0500 To: "Bryn Hughes" , netatalk-admins@umich.edu From: Ray Zimmerman Subject: Re: Hidden Files Not Being Copied Cc: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" I think this is an excellent idea ... probably the best we can do ... unfortunately changing the invisible flag from MacOS of my .htaccess file, for example, would change the name on the *nix side (and now my web server would no longer see it). As a Mac user, changing the state of the invisible flag should not have any effects beyond changing the visibility of the file, but I guess you pretty much have to throw out those kind of expectations when you start working in a mixed OS environment. So, I think it's a good idea. Ray At 9:12 AM -0800 1/18/01, Bryn Hughes wrote: >It really doesn't sound like it would be impossible to impliment... >something along the lines of: > >if starts with '.' then > if is not '.AppleDouble' then > copy file, stripping leading period > set invisible to true > > >I know that the MacOS by default WILL copy any hidden files/folders >in a directory. If you want to see nice evidence of this copy the >root level of a Mac's disk to a netatalk share. All the invisible >files get copied too. In fact you'll even get messages about >copying the desktop printers, as they reside inside the invisible >'Desktop Folder' at the root level of the disk. So in theory files >comming FROM a UNIX share that start with a period should be made >invisible. > >I really don't see any reason to keep anything whatsoever like a >period in the beginning of the name once it's on the Mac. It's >there in Unix as a flag, it just needs to be paired with the >invisible flag on the Mac side. > >Actually, that would probably solve a few of the stranger things >that happen with invisible folders/files being visible. Is it >possible to have netatalk perform this translataion both ways? I.E. >files from a Mac with the invisible flag get a period added to their >name on the Unix side, and files beginning with a period get an >invisible flag when copied to the Mac side. The ideal solution >would be to have netatalk seamlessly doing this conversion even with >something as simple as a directory listing. That way it would be >completely transparent to everyone. From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Thu Jan 18 12:58:20 2001 Return-Path: Received: from funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.27]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id MAA25757 for ; Thu, 18 Jan 2001 12:58:20 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id MAA14648 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Thu, 18 Jan 2001 12:58:14 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id MAA14633 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Thu, 18 Jan 2001 12:58:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from clmboh1-smtp3.columbus.rr.com (dhcp065-024-000-112.columbus.rr.com [65.24.0.112] (may be forged)) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id MAA14531 for ; Thu, 18 Jan 2001 12:58:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.iowna.com (dhcp065-024-023-038.columbus.rr.com [65.24.23.38]) by clmboh1-smtp3.columbus.rr.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id f0IHtt701145; Thu, 18 Jan 2001 12:55:56 -0500 (EST) Sender: wmoran@clmboh1-smtp3.columbus.rr.com Message-ID: <3A672E07.729F1B14@mail.iowna.com> Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 12:55:19 -0500 From: Bill Moran X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (X11; U; FreeBSD 4.2-STABLE i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Ray Zimmerman CC: Basil Hussain , Netatalk List Subject: Re: Hidden Files Not Being Copied References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Ray Zimmerman wrote: > But that's exactly what I'm saying I can do just fine. I create a > folder on the Mac and save a file called .htaccess in that folder. I > copy the folder to my netatalk volume (the file goes with it). I > duplicate the folder on the netatalk volume (the file is in the > duplicated folder). I copy the new folder somewhere else on the > netatalk volume (the .htaccess file gets copied with it). > > It all behaves just fine as far as I can see. Interesting. I wonder if the .AppleDouble &/| .AppleDesktop files keep this information so it displays properly? This is an interesting quandry. No matter how you handle the translation there will be problem occasionally. Since you can create dotfiles on the Mac that have no special significance, then what happens when you copy them to the Netatalk volume (you describe this below) This behaviour would look odd from someone working at a bash prompt, or someone accessing the same files from Samba. There will always be some quirks in the translation as long as there are differences in the filesystems, the trick is to make the quirks as unobtrusive as possible. Try this one: sit down at the UN*X server and change to the volume accessible by the Macs, do "mkdir temp temp/temp temp/temp/temp" Make sure all those directories has ownership/perms such that they should be deletable from the Mac, then walk over to the Mac and try to delete them. On my FreeBSD based Netatalk server this will present the user with an error (something like "can't delete because they're in use") with no particular explanation. You can walk back to the FreeBSD box and delete them just fine, and even delete them via Samba from NT. I've guessed that this is a similar problem, since Netatalk creates the .AppleDouble files after the fact, but I haven't traced it down yet. > ... ah ... just tried something else. It seems that if I create the > .htaccess on the Unix side I run into the trouble you see. But if the > file is created from the Mac (either via Save As to the netatalk > volume or via copy from a Mac disk to the netatalk volume) it works > fine because it encodes the '.' in the file name as ':2e'). Are you saying that if you create ".htaccess" from the Mac, a ls command on the UN*X box shows ":2ehtaccess" ? -Bill From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Thu Jan 18 13:01:21 2001 Return-Path: Received: from easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.26]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id NAA25916 for ; Thu, 18 Jan 2001 13:01:21 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id NAA02357 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Thu, 18 Jan 2001 13:01:21 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id NAA02341 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Thu, 18 Jan 2001 13:01:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from clmboh1-smtp3.columbus.rr.com (dhcp065-024-000-112.columbus.rr.com [65.24.0.112] (may be forged)) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id NAA02295 for ; Thu, 18 Jan 2001 13:01:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.iowna.com (dhcp065-024-023-038.columbus.rr.com [65.24.23.38]) by clmboh1-smtp3.columbus.rr.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id f0IHwr701712; Thu, 18 Jan 2001 12:58:53 -0500 (EST) Sender: wmoran@clmboh1-smtp3.columbus.rr.com Message-ID: <3A672EB9.D8C2527C@mail.iowna.com> Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 12:58:17 -0500 From: Bill Moran X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (X11; U; FreeBSD 4.2-STABLE i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Ray Zimmerman CC: Netatalk List Subject: Re: Hidden Files Not Being Copied References: <3A670C27.D85FD46B@mail.iowna.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Ray Zimmerman wrote: > > At 10:30 AM -0500 1/18/01, Bill Moran wrote: > >I'm not terribly familiar with Macs, how do you set a file to be > >invisible? > > Each file has a set of attributes stored with it indicating whether > it is visible, the file type, creator app, whether it is locked, etc. Is this part of the resource fork? If so, how is this resource fork represented through Netatalk? The invisible attribute could be stored there as well. Another thought: Why are dotfiles ignored to begin with? Why not just hide the .AppleDouble and .AppleDesktop files but show other dotfiles? Getting philosophical, Bill From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Thu Jan 18 13:01:29 2001 Return-Path: Received: from kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.25]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id NAA25945 for ; Thu, 18 Jan 2001 13:01:28 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id NAA04978 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Thu, 18 Jan 2001 13:01:28 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id NAA04961 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Thu, 18 Jan 2001 13:01:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from ee.cornell.edu (anise.ee.cornell.edu [128.84.239.14]) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id NAA04915 for ; Thu, 18 Jan 2001 13:01:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from [128.84.239.190] (harrier.ee.cornell.edu [128.84.239.190]) by ee.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA24574 for ; Thu, 18 Jan 2001 13:01:25 -0500 (EST) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: rz10@postoffice.mail.cornell.edu Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <3A670C27.D85FD46B@mail.iowna.com> Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 13:01:15 -0500 To: Netatalk List From: Ray Zimmerman Subject: Re: Hidden Files Not Being Copied Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" At 12:35 PM -0500 1/18/01, Ray Zimmerman (yes, I know that's me) wrote: >The problem is that in *nix the . means it's invisible, whereas on >the Mac it just means that you wanted to call your file . >... netatalk has to try to do what you want and I think it seems to >be doing pretty close to the right thing, though it does seem that >it could take .files (with the exception of .AppleDouble) and treat >them as .files with the invisible bit set (I see no need to change >the name). After thinking through it a bit more I think you would need to strip the '.' for the Mac side as suggested by Bryn Hughes in order to make it 2-way transparent. Ray From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Thu Jan 18 13:03:26 2001 Return-Path: Received: from funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.27]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id NAA26018 for ; Thu, 18 Jan 2001 13:03:26 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id NAA23460 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Thu, 18 Jan 2001 13:03:19 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id NAA23444 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Thu, 18 Jan 2001 13:03:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from ee.cornell.edu (anise.ee.cornell.edu [128.84.239.14]) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id NAA23401 for ; Thu, 18 Jan 2001 13:03:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from [128.84.239.190] (harrier.ee.cornell.edu [128.84.239.190]) by ee.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA24611; Thu, 18 Jan 2001 13:03:17 -0500 (EST) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: rz10@postoffice.mail.cornell.edu Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3A672E07.729F1B14@mail.iowna.com> References: <3A672E07.729F1B14@mail.iowna.com> Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 13:03:00 -0500 To: Bill Moran From: Ray Zimmerman Subject: Re: Hidden Files Not Being Copied Cc: Basil Hussain , Netatalk List Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" At 12:55 PM -0500 1/18/01, Bill Moran wrote: >Are you saying that if you create ".htaccess" from the Mac, a ls command >on the UN*X box shows ":2ehtaccess" ? Exactly. Ray From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Thu Jan 18 13:14:57 2001 Return-Path: Received: from funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.27]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id NAA26483 for ; Thu, 18 Jan 2001 13:14:57 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id NAA13232 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Thu, 18 Jan 2001 13:14:50 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id NAA13211 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Thu, 18 Jan 2001 13:14:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from ee.cornell.edu (anise.ee.cornell.edu [128.84.239.14]) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id NAA13160 for ; Thu, 18 Jan 2001 13:14:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from [128.84.239.190] (harrier.ee.cornell.edu [128.84.239.190]) by ee.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA24910; Thu, 18 Jan 2001 13:14:53 -0500 (EST) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: rz10@postoffice.mail.cornell.edu Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3A672EB9.D8C2527C@mail.iowna.com> References: <3A670C27.D85FD46B@mail.iowna.com> <3A672EB9.D8C2527C@mail.iowna.com> Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 13:13:59 -0500 To: Bill Moran From: Ray Zimmerman Subject: Re: Hidden Files Not Being Copied Cc: Netatalk List Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" At 12:58 PM -0500 1/18/01, Bill Moran wrote: > > Each file has a set of attributes stored with it indicating whether >> it is visible, the file type, creator app, whether it is locked, etc. > >Is this part of the resource fork? I'm not 100% sure where it is stored, but I think it's part of the file system definition (wherever file create and mod dates are stored). It's definitely not in the resource fork though, because files with no resource fork have this info. >If so, how is this resource fork represented through Netatalk? The >invisible attribute could be stored there as well. I believe it is. IIRC the AppleDouble format stores the resource fork as well as these extra file attributes not included in other files systems. If you create files on the Mac and copy them to netatalk all of these attributes stay intact. If the file starts with a . that gets encoded when copied to a netatalk volume. >Another thought: Why are dotfiles ignored to begin with? Why not just >hide the .AppleDouble and .AppleDesktop files but show other dotfiles? The only way to get a dotfile is to create it on the *nix side I believe, in which case it is intended to be invisible. So I still think it should be made available to the Mac side, but as a file with the invisible bit set. Next best would be just to make them available as visible files. Ray From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Thu Jan 18 13:17:33 2001 Return-Path: Received: from easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.26]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id NAA26746 for ; Thu, 18 Jan 2001 13:17:33 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id NAA02916 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Thu, 18 Jan 2001 13:17:32 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id NAA02890 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Thu, 18 Jan 2001 13:17:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from lynxgen.com (loki.lynxgen.com [205.226.124.2]) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id NAA02823 for ; Thu, 18 Jan 2001 13:17:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from emgate.lynxgen.com (emgate [205.226.124.8]) by lynxgen.com (8.8.8+Sun/8.8.8(mir-03/29/00)) with ESMTP id KAA25808 for ; Thu, 18 Jan 2001 10:18:39 -0800 (PST) Received: by emgate.lynxgen.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Thu, 18 Jan 2001 10:18:41 -0800 Message-ID: <9BA899228F1FD3119E5D00105A9FBDCA2D41CA@emgate.lynxgen.com> From: Joseph Silva To: "'netatalk-admins'" Subject: Test, ignore this message Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 10:18:40 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain Yada Yada, sorry for the mess. From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Thu Jan 18 13:19:52 2001 Return-Path: Received: from kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.25]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id NAA26840 for ; Thu, 18 Jan 2001 13:19:52 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id NAA23914 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Thu, 18 Jan 2001 13:19:52 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id NAA23896 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Thu, 18 Jan 2001 13:19:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from ee.cornell.edu (anise.ee.cornell.edu [128.84.239.14]) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id NAA23845 for ; Thu, 18 Jan 2001 13:19:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from [128.84.239.190] (harrier.ee.cornell.edu [128.84.239.190]) by ee.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA25080; Thu, 18 Jan 2001 13:19:41 -0500 (EST) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: rz10@postoffice.mail.cornell.edu Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <19791.979840123@dis.strath.ac.uk> References: <19791.979840123@dis.strath.ac.uk> Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 13:19:31 -0500 To: sinclair@dis.strath.ac.uk, Netatalk List From: Ray Zimmerman Subject: Re: Hidden Files Not Being Copied Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" At 5:48 PM +0000 1/18/01, Duncan Sinclair wrote: >It should be possible to get netatalk to tell the mac about dot files, >but mark them hidden. "Just a Simple Matter of Programming." (TM) > >Naturally, special care would have to be taken for the .AppleDouble >directory. OK, that's makes three of us ... does anyone see any problems with this? I think ideally netatalk should have a config option to allow it choose between the following 3 behaviors: 1. Don't make dotfiles available to the Mac (current behavior). 2. Make dotfiles available as visible files with no name change. 3. Make dotfiles available as invisible files with the '.' stripped off. Ray From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Thu Jan 18 13:21:50 2001 Return-Path: Received: from easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.26]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id NAA26935 for ; Thu, 18 Jan 2001 13:21:50 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id NAA10845 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Thu, 18 Jan 2001 13:21:50 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id NAA10789 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Thu, 18 Jan 2001 13:21:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from cerberus.picdar.co.uk ([193.115.138.155]) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id NAA10742 for ; Thu, 18 Jan 2001 13:21:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from [141.89.179.49] (legalip.picdar.co.uk [193.115.138.137]) by cerberus.picdar.co.uk (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA21554 for ; Thu, 18 Jan 2001 18:40:32 GMT Message-Id: <200101181840.SAA21554@cerberus.picdar.co.uk> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 4.5 (0410) Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 18:21:38 +0000 Subject: Re: Hidden Files Not Being Copied From: "Philip J Spence" To: netatalk-admins@umich.edu Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit The AppleVolumes.default shipped with netatalk-1.4.99-0.20001108 contains these lines. # nohex -> don't do :hex translations for anything # except dot files. specify usedots as well if # you want that turned off. note: this option # makes the / character illegal. # usedots -> don't do :hex translation for dot files. note: when # this option gets set, certain file names # become illegal. these are .Parent and # anything that starts with .Apple. also, dot # files created on the unix side are marked # invisible. Useful? > > It should be possible to get netatalk to tell the mac about dot files, > but mark them hidden. "Just a Simple Matter of Programming." (TM) > > Naturally, special care would have to be taken for the .AppleDouble > directory. > > Go on, tell me I'm wrong - I've not verified any of this. > > Cheers, > > > > Duncan. > > From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Thu Jan 18 13:22:14 2001 Return-Path: Received: from funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.27]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id NAA26962 for ; Thu, 18 Jan 2001 13:22:14 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id NAA25640 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Thu, 18 Jan 2001 13:22:07 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id NAA25593 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Thu, 18 Jan 2001 13:22:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from server-33.tower-1.london-2.starlabs.net (mail.london-2.starlabs.net [212.125.75.4]) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with SMTP id NAA25493 for ; Thu, 18 Jan 2001 13:22:03 -0500 (EST) X-VirusChecked: Checked Received: (qmail 20462 invoked from network); 18 Jan 2001 18:01:35 -0000 Received: from holly.cam.harlequin.co.uk (193.128.4.58) by server-33.tower-1.london-2.starlabs.net with SMTP; 18 Jan 2001 18:01:35 -0000 Received: from gpo.cam.harlequin.co.uk (gpo.cam.harlequin.co.uk [192.88.238.241]) by holly.cam.harlequin.co.uk (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id SAA12892 for ; Thu, 18 Jan 2001 18:21:29 GMT Received: from swigbert (swigbert.cam.harlequin.co.uk [172.16.16.21]) by gpo.cam.harlequin.co.uk (8.8.4/8.8.4) with SMTP id SAA05674; Thu, 18 Jan 2001 18:21:28 GMT Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.20010118182046.031f39a0@mailhost.cam.harlequin.co.uk> X-Sender: peter@mailhost.cam.harlequin.co.uk X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 18:20:46 +0000 To: netatalk-admins@umich.edu From: Peter Westlake Subject: Re: Hidden Files Not Being Copied Cc: In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 09:12 2001-01-18 -0800, Bryn Hughes wrote: >It really doesn't sound like it would be impossible to impliment... something along the lines of: > >if starts with '.' then > if is not '.AppleDouble' then > copy file, stripping leading period > set invisible to true > > >I know that the MacOS by default WILL copy any hidden files/folders in a directory. If you want to see nice evidence of this copy the root level of a Mac's disk to a netatalk share. All the invisible files get copied too. In fact you'll even get messages about copying the desktop printers, as they reside inside the invisible 'Desktop Folder' at the root level of the disk. So in theory files comming FROM a UNIX share that start with a period should be made invisible. I think changing the name is a really bad idea. If you try to duplicate a folder, you should get a duplicate. There's no reason not to have the dot on a Mac. If you really are duplicating, or if you are copying to another Unix directory, then you should get a true copy when you look at it from the Unix side. The dot prefix is only treated specially by "ls" and a few other programs - it doesn't really mean "invisible". To most programs, it is just part of the file's name. I suggest that if you are doing an actual Duplicate operation (command-D), then the dotted files should be copied. If you are copying the files to the Mac, it should be optional whether they are ignored, copied, or copied and made invisible. Peter. From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Thu Jan 18 13:36:45 2001 Return-Path: Received: from easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.26]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id NAA27638 for ; Thu, 18 Jan 2001 13:36:45 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id NAA07492 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Thu, 18 Jan 2001 13:36:45 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id NAA07448 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Thu, 18 Jan 2001 13:36:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from kth.se (kth.se [130.237.72.201]) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id NAA07373 for ; Thu, 18 Jan 2001 13:36:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from [130.237.10.36] (asynk36.modempool.kth.se [130.237.10.36]) by kth.se (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id TAA22194 for ; Thu, 18 Jan 2001 19:36:39 +0100 (MET) Message-Id: <200101181836.TAA22194@kth.se> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 4.5 (0410) Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 19:32:56 +0100 Subject: unsubscribe From: "Lars Eng" To: netatalk-admins@umich.edu Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu id NAA27638 -- Lars Eng Tjädervägen 3 175 64 Järfälla Telefon hem: 08 795 8919; mobil: 070 586 5641 From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Thu Jan 18 13:48:52 2001 Return-Path: Received: from kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.25]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id NAA28027 for ; Thu, 18 Jan 2001 13:48:52 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id NAA01174 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Thu, 18 Jan 2001 13:48:52 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id NAA01146 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Thu, 18 Jan 2001 13:48:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from ibfmail1.irwinbf.com (mail.irwinbf.com [209.101.186.51]) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id NAA01111 for ; Thu, 18 Jan 2001 13:48:49 -0500 (EST) Received: by IBFMAIL1 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Thu, 18 Jan 2001 10:47:20 -0800 Message-ID: <0169B15043B8D3119E6C00508B2CA90C2BD534@IBFMAIL1> From: "Vaughn, George" To: netatalk-admins@umich.edu Subject: RE: Hidden Files Not Being Copied Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 10:47:19 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Macs don't create files without resource forks. If a file exists on a MacOS filesystem (FS), it has a resource fork. If a file is copied to a MacOS FS without a resource fork, one is created as soon as MacOS looks in the directory (this is why MacOS takes a while for DOS-formatted disk contents to appear, it's creating resource forks for the contents of the viewed directory). Netatalk appears to translate the resource forks to the Linux attributes (probably via the .AppleDouble file) and vice versa, but the resource forks *definitely* exist on the MacOS FS, and that *is* where the permissions, date created, date modified, etc. info exists, as well as the visibility flag and custom icons (years of resource fork editing via resEdit experience talking here). Macs can create files with anything in the filename except ":" or "/" on any local system, as far as I know. The MacOS hasn't had a problem with leading periods since at least 1996. The problem that's being seen with the ":e2" replacing the "." is something occuring in Netatalk (at a guess, to prevent the files from becoming invisible). There's my $.02 George Vaughn gvaughn@irwinbf.com -----Original Message----- From: Ray Zimmerman [mailto:rz10@cornell.edu] Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2001 10:14 AM To: Bill Moran Cc: Netatalk List Subject: Re: Hidden Files Not Being Copied At 12:58 PM -0500 1/18/01, Bill Moran wrote: > > Each file has a set of attributes stored with it indicating whether >> it is visible, the file type, creator app, whether it is locked, etc. > >Is this part of the resource fork? I'm not 100% sure where it is stored, but I think it's part of the file system definition (wherever file create and mod dates are stored). It's definitely not in the resource fork though, because files with no resource fork have this info. >If so, how is this resource fork represented through Netatalk? The >invisible attribute could be stored there as well. I believe it is. IIRC the AppleDouble format stores the resource fork as well as these extra file attributes not included in other files systems. If you create files on the Mac and copy them to netatalk all of these attributes stay intact. If the file starts with a . that gets encoded when copied to a netatalk volume. >Another thought: Why are dotfiles ignored to begin with? Why not just >hide the .AppleDouble and .AppleDesktop files but show other dotfiles? The only way to get a dotfile is to create it on the *nix side I believe, in which case it is intended to be invisible. So I still think it should be made available to the Mac side, but as a file with the invisible bit set. Next best would be just to make them available as visible files. Ray From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Thu Jan 18 13:56:50 2001 Return-Path: Received: from easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.26]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id NAA28415 for ; Thu, 18 Jan 2001 13:56:49 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id NAA12218 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Thu, 18 Jan 2001 13:56:49 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id NAA12186 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Thu, 18 Jan 2001 13:56:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from ee.cornell.edu (anise.ee.cornell.edu [128.84.239.14]) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id NAA12112 for ; Thu, 18 Jan 2001 13:56:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from [128.84.239.190] (harrier.ee.cornell.edu [128.84.239.190]) by ee.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA26000; Thu, 18 Jan 2001 13:56:45 -0500 (EST) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: rz10@postoffice.mail.cornell.edu Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.20010118182046.031f39a0@mailhost.cam.harlequin.co.uk> References: <3.0.3.32.20010118182046.031f39a0@mailhost.cam.harlequin.co.uk> Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 13:56:08 -0500 To: netatalk-admins@umich.edu From: Ray Zimmerman Subject: Re: Hidden Files Not Being Copied Cc: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" At 6:20 PM +0000 1/18/01, Peter Westlake wrote: >I think changing the name is a really bad idea. If you try to duplicate >a folder, you should get a duplicate. There's no reason not to have the >dot on a Mac. If you really are duplicating, or if you are copying to >another Unix directory, then you should get a true copy when you look >at it from the Unix side. The dot prefix is only treated specially by >"ls" and a few other programs - it doesn't really mean "invisible". To >most programs, it is just part of the file's name. I suggest that if >you are doing an actual Duplicate operation (command-D), then the dotted >files should be copied. If you are copying the files to the Mac, it should >be optional whether they are ignored, copied, or copied and made invisible. I think that if a dotfile on Unix is going to translate to an invisible on the Mac side, then it has to strip the dot and the translation has to go both ways, otherwise you run into trouble. In the scenarios you mentioned, it wouldn't be a problem. If you duplicate or copy a Unix directory with dotfiles, the Mac would see them as invisible non-dotfiles which netatalk would translate back to dotfiles when writing the copy. An example of a problem if it doesn't strip the dot would go something like this. You copy an invisible file called 'foo' from Mac to a netatalk volume. On the *nix side you would have a file called '.foo'. Copy that back to the Mac and you have an invisible file called '.foo'. Copy that back to your netatalk volume and now you have a file called '..foo'. Ray From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Thu Jan 18 13:58:36 2001 Return-Path: Received: from easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.26]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id NAA28509 for ; Thu, 18 Jan 2001 13:58:36 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id NAA15556 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Thu, 18 Jan 2001 13:58:36 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id NAA15517 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Thu, 18 Jan 2001 13:58:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from ee.cornell.edu (anise.ee.cornell.edu [128.84.239.14]) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id NAA15437 for ; Thu, 18 Jan 2001 13:58:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from [128.84.239.190] (harrier.ee.cornell.edu [128.84.239.190]) by ee.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA26107 for ; Thu, 18 Jan 2001 13:58:31 -0500 (EST) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: rz10@postoffice.mail.cornell.edu Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <200101181840.SAA21554@cerberus.picdar.co.uk> References: <200101181840.SAA21554@cerberus.picdar.co.uk> Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 13:58:16 -0500 To: netatalk-admins@umich.edu From: Ray Zimmerman Subject: Re: Hidden Files Not Being Copied Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" At 6:21 PM +0000 1/18/01, Philip J Spence wrote: >The AppleVolumes.default shipped with netatalk-1.4.99-0.20001108 contains >these lines. > ># nohex -> don't do :hex translations for anything ># except dot files. specify usedots as well if ># you want that turned off. note: this option ># makes the / character illegal. ># usedots -> don't do :hex translation for dot files. note: when ># this option gets set, certain file names ># become illegal. these are .Parent and ># anything that starts with .Apple. also, dot ># files created on the unix side are marked ># invisible. > >Useful? Anyone played with this? Sounds like 'usedots' may only do the dot->invisible translation but not the other way. I'll have to check this out if I get some time. Ray From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Thu Jan 18 14:16:58 2001 Return-Path: Received: from easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.26]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id OAA29160 for ; Thu, 18 Jan 2001 14:16:58 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id OAA17451 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Thu, 18 Jan 2001 14:16:58 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id OAA17393 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Thu, 18 Jan 2001 14:16:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from ee.cornell.edu (anise.ee.cornell.edu [128.84.239.14]) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id OAA17149 for ; Thu, 18 Jan 2001 14:16:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from [128.84.239.190] (harrier.ee.cornell.edu [128.84.239.190]) by ee.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA26656; Thu, 18 Jan 2001 14:16:40 -0500 (EST) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: rz10@postoffice.mail.cornell.edu Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <0169B15043B8D3119E6C00508B2CA90C2BD534@IBFMAIL1> References: <0169B15043B8D3119E6C00508B2CA90C2BD534@IBFMAIL1> Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 14:14:37 -0500 To: "Vaughn, George" , netatalk-admins@umich.edu From: Ray Zimmerman Subject: RE: Hidden Files Not Being Copied Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sorry, I'm going to have to respectfully disagree with you on a few things here George ... Not all Mac files have resource forks. I can send you one without if you like and you can verify it by trying to open it in ResEdit and having it tell you that it doesn't have a resource fork and would you like to create one. Again, I believe the Finder attributes (dates, invisible flag, etc) are actually part of the HFS and HFS+ definitions. The DOS-formatted disk phenomenon you mention has to do with creating the Finder.dat files which contain these attributes, but resource forks are not created. Also, a '/' is legal in a Mac file name. I think it's only the ':' (the MacOS directory separator) that's illegal. Ray At 10:47 AM -0800 1/18/01, Vaughn, George wrote: >Macs don't create files without resource forks. If a file exists on a MacOS >filesystem (FS), it has a resource fork. If a file is copied to a MacOS FS >without a resource fork, one is created as soon as MacOS looks in the >directory (this is why MacOS takes a while for DOS-formatted disk contents >to appear, it's creating resource forks for the contents of the viewed >directory). > >Netatalk appears to translate the resource forks to the Linux attributes >(probably via the .AppleDouble file) and vice versa, but the resource forks >*definitely* exist on the MacOS FS, and that *is* where the permissions, >date created, date modified, etc. info exists, as well as the visibility >flag and custom icons (years of resource fork editing via resEdit experience >talking here). > >Macs can create files with anything in the filename except ":" or "/" on any >local system, as far as I know. The MacOS hasn't had a problem with leading >periods since at least 1996. The problem that's being seen with the ":e2" >replacing the "." is something occuring in Netatalk (at a guess, to prevent >the files from becoming invisible). > >There's my $.02 > > >George Vaughn >gvaughn@irwinbf.com From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Thu Jan 18 14:18:06 2001 Return-Path: Received: from funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.27]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id OAA29198 for ; Thu, 18 Jan 2001 14:18:06 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id OAA20110 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Thu, 18 Jan 2001 14:17:59 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id OAA20088 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Thu, 18 Jan 2001 14:17:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.teleologic.net (17eos170.eosinc.com [12.39.14.170]) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id OAA19845 for ; Thu, 18 Jan 2001 14:17:56 -0500 (EST) Received: by mail.teleologic.net (Postfix, from userid 1049) id 794B82B90C6; Thu, 18 Jan 2001 13:17:52 -0600 (CST) Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 13:17:52 -0600 From: Danny Sauer To: netatalk-admins@umich.edu Subject: Re: Hidden Files Not Being Copied Message-ID: <20010118131752.J4458@teleologic.net> References: <3.0.3.32.20010118182046.031f39a0@mailhost.cam.harlequin.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: ; from rz10@cornell.edu on Thu, Jan 18, 2001 at 01:56:08PM -0500 X-Operating-System: Linux 2.2.16 i686 X-Dont-Spam-Me: I might come after you Ray wrote regarding 'Re: Hidden Files Not Being Copied' on Thu, Jan 18 at 13:12: > At 6:20 PM +0000 1/18/01, Peter Westlake wrote: > >I think changing the name is a really bad idea. If you try to duplicate > >a folder, you should get a duplicate. There's no reason not to have the > >dot on a Mac. If you really are duplicating, or if you are copying to > >another Unix directory, then you should get a true copy when you look > >at it from the Unix side. The dot prefix is only treated specially by > >"ls" and a few other programs - it doesn't really mean "invisible". To > >most programs, it is just part of the file's name. I suggest that if > >you are doing an actual Duplicate operation (command-D), then the dotted > >files should be copied. If you are copying the files to the Mac, it should > >be optional whether they are ignored, copied, or copied and made invisible. > > I think that if a dotfile on Unix is going to translate to an > invisible on the Mac side, then it has to strip the dot and the > translation has to go both ways, otherwise you run into trouble. > > In the scenarios you mentioned, it wouldn't be a problem. If you > duplicate or copy a Unix directory with dotfiles, the Mac would see > them as invisible non-dotfiles which netatalk would translate back to > dotfiles when writing the copy. > > An example of a problem if it doesn't strip the dot would go > something like this. You copy an invisible file called 'foo' from Mac > to a netatalk volume. On the *nix side you would have a file called > '.foo'. Copy that back to the Mac and you have an invisible file > called '.foo'. Copy that back to your netatalk volume and now you > have a file called '..foo'. What's wrong with "if it has a dot and is MacInvisible, leave alone, else, add a dot" combined with "leave the filename alone otherwise"? That's *my* preference... I don't like filenames being screwed with in any but the most absolutely neccesary cases. --Danny, not following this thread closely enough to know if that's already been suggested From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Thu Jan 18 14:19:26 2001 Return-Path: Received: from kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.25]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id OAA29240 for ; Thu, 18 Jan 2001 14:19:25 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id OAA10025 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Thu, 18 Jan 2001 14:19:25 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id OAA09993 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Thu, 18 Jan 2001 14:19:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from ltsc.ucsb.edu (ltsc.ucsb.edu [128.111.224.224]) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id OAA09951 for ; Thu, 18 Jan 2001 14:19:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from bossland.ltsc.ucsb.edu (bossland.ltsc.ucsb.edu [128.111.224.239]) by ltsc.ucsb.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA01496 for ; Thu, 18 Jan 2001 11:19:21 -0800 Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 11:19:21 -0800 From: David R Bosso To: netatalk-admins@umich.edu Subject: RE: Hidden Files Not Being Copied Message-ID: <753919.3188805561@bossland.ltsc.ucsb.edu> In-Reply-To: <0169B15043B8D3119E6C00508B2CA90C2BD534@IBFMAIL1> X-Mailer: Mulberry/2.0.5 (MacOS) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline --On Thursday, January 18, 2001 10:47 AM -0800 "Vaughn, George" wrote: > Macs don't create files without resource forks. If a file exists on a > MacOS filesystem (FS), it has a resource fork. If a file is copied to a > MacOS FS without a resource fork, one is created as soon as MacOS looks > in the directory (this is why MacOS takes a while for DOS-formatted disk > contents to appear, it's creating resource forks for the contents of the > viewed directory). Woah, I think you're confusing resource forks with Finder information. Resource forks are _not_ ubiquitous. Maybe you've never tried opening a file with Resedit that does not have a resouce fork and recieved the following dialog: "The file 'filename' has no resource fork. Opening it will add one. Do you wish to open it? -David From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Thu Jan 18 14:31:18 2001 Return-Path: Received: from kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.25]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id OAA29553 for ; Thu, 18 Jan 2001 14:31:18 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id OAA25249 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Thu, 18 Jan 2001 14:31:18 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id OAA25230 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Thu, 18 Jan 2001 14:31:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from ibfmail1.irwinbf.com (mail.irwinbf.com [209.101.186.51]) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id OAA24915 for ; Thu, 18 Jan 2001 14:31:15 -0500 (EST) Received: by IBFMAIL1 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Thu, 18 Jan 2001 11:29:32 -0800 Message-ID: <0169B15043B8D3119E6C00508B2CA90C2BD539@IBFMAIL1> From: "Vaughn, George" To: netatalk-admins@umich.edu Cc: "'David R Bosso'" , "'Ray Zimmerman'" Subject: RE: Hidden Files Not Being Copied Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 11:29:21 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" You're both right. Ignore my earlier post as erroneous and full of many bad things. Apparently, my brain decided to shut off, but my hands kept talking. Feel free to ignore my posts from now on, as obviously undernourished by brainpower ;-) I'm going to bed. G -----Original Message----- From: David R Bosso [mailto:dbosso@ltsc.ucsb.edu] Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2001 11:19 AM To: netatalk-admins@umich.edu Subject: RE: Hidden Files Not Being Copied --On Thursday, January 18, 2001 10:47 AM -0800 "Vaughn, George" wrote: > Macs don't create files without resource forks. If a file exists on a > MacOS filesystem (FS), it has a resource fork. If a file is copied to a > MacOS FS without a resource fork, one is created as soon as MacOS looks > in the directory (this is why MacOS takes a while for DOS-formatted disk > contents to appear, it's creating resource forks for the contents of the > viewed directory). Woah, I think you're confusing resource forks with Finder information. Resource forks are _not_ ubiquitous. Maybe you've never tried opening a file with Resedit that does not have a resouce fork and recieved the following dialog: "The file 'filename' has no resource fork. Opening it will add one. Do you wish to open it? -David From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Thu Jan 18 14:34:01 2001 Return-Path: Received: from easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.26]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id OAA29628 for ; Thu, 18 Jan 2001 14:34:00 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id OAA15537 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Thu, 18 Jan 2001 14:34:00 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id OAA15512 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Thu, 18 Jan 2001 14:33:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from quartz.dis.strath.ac.uk (quartz.dis.strath.ac.uk [130.159.120.5]) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id OAA15438 for ; Thu, 18 Jan 2001 14:33:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from dis.strath.ac.uk (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by quartz.dis.strath.ac.uk (8.11.0/8.11.0/2.7) with ESMTP id f0IJXrZ20539; Thu, 18 Jan 2001 19:33:53 GMT To: Ray Zimmerman cc: Netatalk List Subject: Re: Hidden Files Not Being Copied In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 18 Jan 2001 13:19:31 EST." Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 19:33:52 +0000 Message-ID: <20537.979846432@dis.strath.ac.uk> From: Duncan Sinclair Ray Zimmerman writes: >OK, that's makes three of us ... does anyone see any problems with this? > >I think ideally netatalk should have a config option to allow it >choose between the following 3 behaviors: > >1. Don't make dotfiles available to the Mac (current behavior). >2. Make dotfiles available as visible files with no name change. >3. Make dotfiles available as invisible files with the '.' stripped off. Option 3 wouldn't work. It's possible you could have two files: 1) .foo - not marked hidden in the AppleDouble info. 2) foo - marked hidden in AppleDouble info. These files whould end up the same when served to the Mac. Likewise most other "file munging" that you could imagine. Instead it should be: 3. Make dotfiles available as invisible files with no name change. Cheers, Duncan. From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Thu Jan 18 14:54:22 2001 Return-Path: Received: from easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.26]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id OAA00118 for ; Thu, 18 Jan 2001 14:54:22 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id OAA21429 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Thu, 18 Jan 2001 14:54:22 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id OAA21386 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Thu, 18 Jan 2001 14:54:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from ee.cornell.edu (anise.ee.cornell.edu [128.84.239.14]) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id OAA21326 for ; Thu, 18 Jan 2001 14:54:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from [128.84.239.190] (harrier.ee.cornell.edu [128.84.239.190]) by ee.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA27561; Thu, 18 Jan 2001 14:54:16 -0500 (EST) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: rz10@postoffice.mail.cornell.edu Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20537.979846432@dis.strath.ac.uk> References: <20537.979846432@dis.strath.ac.uk> Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 14:53:59 -0500 To: Duncan Sinclair From: Ray Zimmerman Subject: Re: Hidden Files Not Being Copied Cc: Netatalk List Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" At 7:33 PM +0000 1/18/01, Duncan Sinclair wrote: >Ray Zimmerman writes: > >OK, that's makes three of us ... does anyone see any problems with this? > > >>I think ideally netatalk should have a config option to allow it >>choose between the following 3 behaviors: >> >>1. Don't make dotfiles available to the Mac (current behavior). >>2. Make dotfiles available as visible files with no name change. >>3. Make dotfiles available as invisible files with the '.' stripped off. > >Option 3 wouldn't work. It's possible you could have two files: > 1) .foo - not marked hidden in the AppleDouble info. > 2) foo - marked hidden in AppleDouble info. >These files whould end up the same when served to the Mac. Likewise >most other "file munging" that you could imagine. OK. I see that would cause problems. >Instead it should be: >3. Make dotfiles available as invisible files with no name change. Yeah ... and forget trying to convert invisible Mac files to dotfiles, we have AppleDouble to preserve those bits for us ... what was I thinking. It looks like 1 and this new version of 3 may already be implemented via the 'usedots' option in the (at least recent) AppleVolumes.default files. What about number 2, which is what I'd probably prefer? Ray From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Thu Jan 18 15:05:57 2001 Return-Path: Received: from funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.27]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id PAA00358 for ; Thu, 18 Jan 2001 15:05:56 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id PAA03051 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Thu, 18 Jan 2001 15:05:50 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id PAA03022 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Thu, 18 Jan 2001 15:05:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from lynxgen.com (loki.lynxgen.com [205.226.124.2]) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id PAA02954 for ; Thu, 18 Jan 2001 15:05:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from emgate.lynxgen.com (emgate [205.226.124.8]) by lynxgen.com (8.8.8+Sun/8.8.8(mir-03/29/00)) with ESMTP id MAA07320 for ; Thu, 18 Jan 2001 12:07:03 -0800 (PST) Received: by emgate.lynxgen.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Thu, 18 Jan 2001 12:07:05 -0800 Message-ID: <9BA899228F1FD3119E5D00105A9FBDCA2D41CB@emgate.lynxgen.com> From: Joseph Silva To: "'netatalk-admins@umich.edu'" Subject: Converting K-AShare files to NetTalk AppleDouble files. Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 12:07:04 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain We recently replaced one of our SunOS servers with a Linux server, and in the process went from using K-AShare to using NetATalk. Unfortunatly, we copied our Macintosh files using NFS instead of AppleShare, and now we are looking for a way to convert the Mac files without having to re-copy them. I've tried converting the files using the K-AShare program 'karc', with the -D option, but the converted files do not look right when viewed under NetATalk. Anyone have a solution? From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Thu Jan 18 17:05:43 2001 Return-Path: Received: from easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.26]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id RAA03458 for ; Thu, 18 Jan 2001 17:05:43 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id RAA03811 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Thu, 18 Jan 2001 17:05:43 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id RAA03794 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Thu, 18 Jan 2001 17:05:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from clmboh1-smtp3.columbus.rr.com (dhcp065-024-000-112.columbus.rr.com [65.24.0.112] (may be forged)) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id RAA03720 for ; Thu, 18 Jan 2001 17:05:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.iowna.com (dhcp065-024-023-038.columbus.rr.com [65.24.23.38]) by clmboh1-smtp3.columbus.rr.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id f0IM3N721546 for ; Thu, 18 Jan 2001 17:03:24 -0500 (EST) Sender: wmoran@clmboh1-smtp3.columbus.rr.com Message-ID: <3A676809.F97BC22E@mail.iowna.com> Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 17:02:49 -0500 From: Bill Moran X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (X11; U; FreeBSD 4.2-STABLE i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: netatalk-admins@umich.edu Subject: Re: Hidden Files Not Being Copied References: <3.0.3.32.20010118182046.031f39a0@mailhost.cam.harlequin.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Well, it seems to me after much discussoin, that the basic config that we wanted already exists. In the long run, there may be ways to refine it, but I'm pretty sure that the options are manageable as they currently stand (my opinion anyway) (As a side note, I feel really stupid discussing this as I was: once the config options were pointed out to me I remembered reading about them ...) I still want to know why there are directories that can't be deleted: and I still suspect it has something to do with the .Apple* files. Has anyone else witnessed this behaviour? Is it something to do with FreeBSD only? -Bill From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Fri Jan 19 00:26:02 2001 Return-Path: Received: from kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.25]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id AAA14391 for ; Fri, 19 Jan 2001 00:26:02 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id AAA01127 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Fri, 19 Jan 2001 00:26:02 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id AAA01124 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Fri, 19 Jan 2001 00:26:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from clever.visp-europe.psi.com (clever.visp-europe.psi.com [212.222.105.4]) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id AAA01117 for ; Fri, 19 Jan 2001 00:26:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from n37-5.berlin.snafu.de ([195.21.37.5] helo=athlet.deltaman.de) by clever.visp-europe.psi.com with esmtp (Exim 3.14 #1) id 14JU3j-0002Ni-00 for netatalk-admins@umich.edu; Fri, 19 Jan 2001 06:25:59 +0100 Received: from athlet (root@athlet.deltaman.de [192.168.1.1]) by athlet.deltaman.de (8.9.3/8.9.3/SuSE Linux 8.9.3-0.1) with SMTP id GAA29637 for ; Fri, 19 Jan 2001 06:25:38 +0100 From: Carsten Neumann Reply-To: deltor@snafu.de To: netatalk-admins@umich.edu Subject: Re: Hidden Files Not Being Copied Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 06:03:24 +0100 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.0.28] Content-Type: text/plain References: <3.0.3.32.20010118182046.031f39a0@mailhost.cam.harlequin.co.uk> <3A676809.F97BC22E@mail.iowna.com> In-Reply-To: <3A676809.F97BC22E@mail.iowna.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <01011906253702.00573@athlet> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu id AAA14391 On Thu, 18 Jan 2001, Bill Moran wrote: [snip] > I still want to know why there are directories that can't be deleted: > and I still suspect it has something to do with the .Apple* files. Has > anyone else witnessed this behaviour? Is it something to do with FreeBSD > only? Do you mean directories which contain dotfiles? This also applies linux. Netatalk doesn't see them but can tell that this directory is not empty. But I tried just that scenario: 1. created an empty folder (mac) 2. created (touched) a dotfile within that (u*x) 3. dropped it into the trash (mac) 4. tried to empty the trash (mac) error: ...contains items that are in use... 5. put away (cmd-y) (mac) error: The folder could not be put away, because it was created on the desktop. The last looks strange! Regards Carsten From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Fri Jan 19 00:56:06 2001 Return-Path: Received: from kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.25]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id AAA14988 for ; Fri, 19 Jan 2001 00:56:06 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id AAA17425 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Fri, 19 Jan 2001 00:56:06 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id AAA17415 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Fri, 19 Jan 2001 00:56:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from clmboh1-smtp3.columbus.rr.com (dhcp065-024-000-112.columbus.rr.com [65.24.0.112] (may be forged)) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id AAA17409 for ; Fri, 19 Jan 2001 00:56:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.iowna.com (dhcp065-024-023-038.columbus.rr.com [65.24.23.38]) by clmboh1-smtp3.columbus.rr.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id f0J5re705537; Fri, 19 Jan 2001 00:53:41 -0500 (EST) Sender: wmoran@clmboh1-smtp3.columbus.rr.com Message-ID: <3A67D645.6E114681@mail.iowna.com> Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 00:53:09 -0500 From: Bill Moran X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (X11; U; FreeBSD 4.2-STABLE i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: deltor@snafu.de CC: netatalk-admins@umich.edu Subject: Re: Hidden Files Not Being Copied References: <3.0.3.32.20010118182046.031f39a0@mailhost.cam.harlequin.co.uk> <3A676809.F97BC22E@mail.iowna.com> <01011906253702.00573@athlet> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Carsten Neumann wrote: > > On Thu, 18 Jan 2001, Bill Moran wrote: > [snip] > > I still want to know why there are directories that can't be deleted: > > and I still suspect it has something to do with the .Apple* files. Has > > anyone else witnessed this behaviour? Is it something to do with FreeBSD > > only? > > Do you mean directories which contain dotfiles? No, no dotfiles (except for the .Apple* files that Netatalk creates) The sequence may be slightly different than I described. Here was exactly what I was doing ... 1. Use WinNT to copy a folder tree full of stuff onto the FreeBSD server via Samba 2. Sit down at the FreeBSD box and verify that the files/directories had ownership/perms that it should be deletable by Netatalk users. 3. Attempt to delete the folder tree from a Mac Result: all files are deleted, directories are not. Mac give a "can not delete because in use" error. On the server, the .AppleDouble files remain (these were created by Netatalk when the Mac browsed the tree) but no other files exist ... "rm -r *" deletes the tree without error. It can also be deleted from the WinNT station. I also duplicated the test with Irix/NFS with the same results (I.E. create tree with Irix, Mac deletes files but not folders) Here is the behaviour in a nutshell: NT/Samba created, Irix/NFS deletes without error Irix/NFS created, NT/Samba deletes without error FreeBSD created, NT/Samba deletes without error FreeBSD created, Irix/NFS deletes without error Mac/Netatalk created, NT/Samba deletes without error Mac/Netatalk created, Irix/NFS deletes without error NT/Samba created, Mac/Netatalk cannot delete Irix/NFS created, Mac/Netatalk cannot delete FreeBSD created, Mac/Netatalk cannot delete Mac/Netatalk created, Mac/Netatalk deletes without error > Netatalk doesn't see them but can tell that this directory is not empty. I understand, but considering Netatalk CREATED the .AppleDouble files, should it delete them? I even dug into the source code, and as far as I can tell, it should ALWAYS delete .AppleDouble files before removing a directory. > But I tried just that scenario: > 1. created an empty folder (mac) > 2. created (touched) a dotfile within that (u*x) An .AppleDouble dotfile, or another dotfile? When I run this scenerio, there are no dotfiles in the directories other than the .AppleDouble files. > 3. dropped it into the trash (mac) > 4. tried to empty the trash (mac) > error: ...contains items that are in use... > 5. put away (cmd-y) (mac) > error: The folder could not be put away, because it was created on the desktop. The sequence you used here is different from what I described. If I create a folder tree from the Macintosh, moving it to the trash succeeds without error. I only have problems if the tree was NOT originally created by the Mac. The search continues ... -Bill From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Fri Jan 19 07:04:21 2001 Return-Path: Received: from easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.26]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id HAA21736 for ; Fri, 19 Jan 2001 07:04:21 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id HAA14838 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Fri, 19 Jan 2001 07:04:21 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id HAA14806 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Fri, 19 Jan 2001 07:04:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from dave-world.net (dave-world.net [204.189.73.19]) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id HAA14748 for ; Fri, 19 Jan 2001 07:04:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from heath [205.139.250.148] by dave-world.net (SMTPD32-6.03) id AC74D9950096; Fri, 19 Jan 2001 06:00:52 -0600 From: "Heath Henderson" To: "Appletalk on Linux" Cc: Subject: Off Topic DNS problem Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 06:06:26 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <3A67D645.6E114681@mail.iowna.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Importance: Normal Hello all, I am writing this in hopes that someone knows of my problem. It isn't really a problem but more of an irritation. I just upgraded our DNS server RH 6.2 from Kernel 2.2.12 to 2.2.16. All went well but now After a reboot I get Reverse Lookup failure errors. They hit our Proxy server and die, but I am not sure why they are being displayed. They look like the following IP_MasQ:Reverse ICMP:failed checksum from xxx.xxx.xxx.xx (Where xxx.xxx.xxx.xx is our Proxy server) I am not sure how it was set up before, but I am sure that it is possible to turn this display off so as I do not see this when I am in the middle of working on things on this box. I am not sure why it does this, but I need to turn off the constant display of this. Any help would be great. Thanks Heath Henderson From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Fri Jan 19 07:33:22 2001 Return-Path: Received: from funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.27]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id HAA22342 for ; Fri, 19 Jan 2001 07:33:22 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id HAA00991 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Fri, 19 Jan 2001 07:33:17 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id HAA00975 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Fri, 19 Jan 2001 07:33:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from igw1.edipresse.ch (igw1.edipresse.ch [194.209.141.131]) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id HAA00909 for ; Fri, 19 Jan 2001 07:33:15 -0500 (EST) Received: (from root@localhost) by igw1.edipresse.ch (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA13697; Fri, 19 Jan 2001 13:35:14 +0100 (MET) Received: from unknown(172.16.11.46) by igw1.edipresse.ch via smap (V2.1+anti-relay+anti-spam) id xma013691; Fri, 19 Jan 01 13:35:11 +0100 Received: by meloe.edipresse.ch with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Fri, 19 Jan 2001 13:32:42 +0100 Message-ID: <9F9FCF268C46D411B60600508B6F8726A275D4@meloe.edipresse.ch> From: Michalowski Thierry To: "'Ray Zimmerman'" , Netatalk List Subject: RE: Hidden Files Not Being Copied Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 13:32:40 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C08213.EA161880" This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C08213.EA161880 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" OK folks, let's clarify something on the U*X side. A file beginning with a . is definitely NOT MEANT to be "invisible". It is only that the default "ls" command behaviour is to filter out these files, for readability purposes. And the default shell wildcard, "*", too. Any other thingy (command, API) in the U*X world "sees" everything in a directory. Proof program in Perl: ----cut there---- #!/usr/local/bin/perl exit unless @ARGV; $dir = shift @ARGV; opendir(DIR,$dir); print "Dir entries are: ", join("\n",readdir(DIR)), "\n"; closedir(DIR); ----cut there---- Run this with any directory as the first argument and you will get a listing of all files in it. You see, no filter, just a plain readdir() which is the exact equivalent of the native C-language one. Moreover, as some people already pointed out, a dot-file is a valid name on a Mac. Given that, I wonder HOW anyone is supposed to justify that netatalk would by any mean translate a dot-file into an invisible file. My personal point of view would be to be horrified by such a beast! Of course, implementing whatever the community want is possible, such as "Veto" files as in SaMBa . But please: don't make it the default, for the sake of my rest! :-) HTH Thierry -----Original Message----- From: Ray Zimmerman [mailto:rz10@cornell.edu] Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2001 6:36 PM To: Netatalk List Subject: Re: Hidden Files Not Being Copied At 10:30 AM -0500 1/18/01, Bill Moran wrote: >I'm not terribly familiar with Macs, how do you set a file to be >invisible? Each file has a set of attributes stored with it indicating whether it is visible, the file type, creator app, whether it is locked, etc. I should also mention that on MacOS a filename starting with a . is NOT an illegal name. Or to get rid of the double negative ... it's JUST FINE. I have .htaccess files on my Mac and they've never behaved any differently than files with other names. The problem is that in *nix the . means it's invisible, whereas on the Mac it just means that you wanted to call your file . ... netatalk has to try to do what you want and I think it seems to be doing pretty close to the right thing, though it does seem that it could take .files (with the exception of .AppleDouble) and treat them as .files with the invisible bit set (I see no need to change the name). This way they would be "seen" by the MacOS (but not by the Mac user) and hence copied along with the enclosing folder. Thoughts? Ray ------_=_NextPart_001_01C08213.EA161880 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: Hidden Files Not Being Copied

OK folks, let's clarify something on the U*X = side.

A file beginning with a . is definitely NOT MEANT to = be "invisible".
It is only that the default "ls" command = behaviour is to filter out these files, for readability = purposes.
And the default shell wildcard, "*", = too.

Any other thingy (command, API) in the U*X world = "sees" everything in a directory.

<Proof>
Proof program in Perl:
----cut there----
#!/usr/local/bin/perl
exit unless @ARGV;
$dir =3D shift @ARGV;
opendir(DIR,$dir);
print "Dir entries are: ", = join("\n",readdir(DIR)), "\n";
closedir(DIR);
----cut there----

Run this with any directory as the first argument and = you will get a listing of all files in it.
You see, no filter, just a plain readdir() which is = the exact equivalent of the native C-language one.
</Proof>

Moreover, as some people already pointed out, a = dot-file is a valid name on a Mac.

Given that, I wonder HOW anyone is supposed to = justify that netatalk would by any mean translate a dot-file into an = invisible file.

My personal point of view would be to be horrified by = such a beast!
Of course, implementing whatever the community want = is possible, such as "Veto" files as in SaMBa . But please: = don't make it the default, for the sake of my rest! :-)

HTH
Thierry

-----Original Message-----
From: Ray Zimmerman [mailto:rz10@cornell.edu]
Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2001 6:36 PM
To: Netatalk List
Subject: Re: Hidden Files Not Being Copied


At 10:30 AM -0500 1/18/01, Bill Moran wrote:
>I'm not terribly familiar with Macs, how do you = set a file to be
>invisible?

Each file has a set of attributes stored with it = indicating whether
it is visible, the file type, creator app, whether = it is locked, etc.

I should also mention that on MacOS a filename = starting with a . is
NOT an illegal name. Or to get rid of the double = negative ... it's
JUST FINE. I have .htaccess files on my Mac and = they've never behaved
any differently than files with other names.

The problem is that in *nix the . means it's = invisible, whereas on
the Mac it just means that you wanted to call your = file .<something>
... netatalk has to try to do what you want and I = think it seems to
be doing pretty close to the right thing, though it = does seem that it
could take .files (with the exception of = .AppleDouble) and treat them
as .files with the invisible bit set (I see no need = to change the
name). This way they would be "seen" by = the MacOS (but not by the Mac
user) and hence copied along with the enclosing = folder.

Thoughts?

        Ray

------_=_NextPart_001_01C08213.EA161880-- From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Fri Jan 19 08:39:12 2001 Return-Path: Received: from kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.25]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id IAA23610 for ; Fri, 19 Jan 2001 08:39:12 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id IAA03473 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Fri, 19 Jan 2001 08:39:12 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id IAA03463 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Fri, 19 Jan 2001 08:39:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from tsmtp4.mail.isp ([195.235.113.151]) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id IAA03410 for ; Fri, 19 Jan 2001 08:39:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from cubeship.borgspace.alpha ([213.97.106.73]) by tsmtp4.mail.isp (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with ESMTP id G7EWHF00.53I for ; Fri, 19 Jan 2001 14:36:51 +0100 Received: from tangy.borgspace.alpha ([10.0.0.3] helo=tangy) by cubeship.borgspace.alpha with smtp (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 14JbkR-0002uc-00 for ; Fri, 19 Jan 2001 14:38:35 +0100 Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 14:38:06 +0100 Reply-To: jasonq@usa.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Jason Quigley To: Netatalk List Subject: RE: Hidden Files Not Being Copied Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu id IAA23610 I think that one thing has been proven by this thread: the documentation is inadequate. I know that the config files and source have some documentation in them but it's a long way to go to try and get things running smoothly. I'd offer to do the docs myself, but I'm already working 28 hours a day! Cheers, Jason. On Friday, January 19, 2001, at 01:32 PM, Michalowski Thierry wrote: > OK folks, let's clarify something on the U*X side. > > A file beginning with a . is definitely NOT MEANT to be "invisible". > It is only that the default "ls" command behaviour is to filter out these > files, for readability purposes. > And the default shell wildcard, "*", too. > > Any other thingy (command, API) in the U*X world "sees" everything in a > directory. > From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Fri Jan 19 09:35:10 2001 Return-Path: Received: from easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.26]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id JAA24922 for ; Fri, 19 Jan 2001 09:35:10 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id JAA11972 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Fri, 19 Jan 2001 09:35:10 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id JAA11941 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Fri, 19 Jan 2001 09:35:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from quartz.dis.strath.ac.uk (quartz.dis.strath.ac.uk [130.159.120.5]) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id JAA11890 for ; Fri, 19 Jan 2001 09:35:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from dis.strath.ac.uk (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by quartz.dis.strath.ac.uk (8.11.0/8.11.0/2.7) with ESMTP id f0JEYtZ27107 for ; Fri, 19 Jan 2001 14:35:03 GMT To: netatalk-admins@umich.edu Subject: Re: Hidden Files Not Being Copied References: <3.0.3.32.20010118182046.031f39a0@mailhost.cam.harlequin.co.uk> <3A676809.F97BC22E@mail.iowna.com> <01011906253702.00573@athlet> Reply-To: sinclair@dis.strath.ac.uk Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 14:34:55 +0000 Message-ID: <27104.979914895@dis.strath.ac.uk> From: Duncan Sinclair >The sequence may be slightly different than I described. Here was >exactly what I was doing ... >1. Use WinNT to copy a folder tree full of stuff onto the FreeBSD server >via Samba >2. Sit down at the FreeBSD box and verify that the files/directories had >ownership/perms that it should be deletable by Netatalk users. >3. Attempt to delete the folder tree from a Mac >Result: all files are deleted, directories are not. Mac give a "can not >delete because in use" error. >On the server, the .AppleDouble files remain (these were created by >Netatalk when the Mac browsed the tree) but no other files exist ... "rm >-r *" deletes the tree without error. It can also be deleted from the >WinNT station. Do any of the files have a name longer than 32 characters??? These files also are never seem by a Mac, and so cannot be deleted, and a directory containing them will not be deleteable. Duncan. From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Fri Jan 19 09:55:43 2001 Return-Path: Received: from funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.27]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id JAA25487 for ; Fri, 19 Jan 2001 09:55:43 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id JAA02254 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Fri, 19 Jan 2001 09:55:37 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id JAA02233 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Fri, 19 Jan 2001 09:55:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from quartz.dis.strath.ac.uk (quartz.dis.strath.ac.uk [130.159.120.5]) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id JAA02178 for ; Fri, 19 Jan 2001 09:55:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from dis.strath.ac.uk (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by quartz.dis.strath.ac.uk (8.11.0/8.11.0/2.7) with ESMTP id f0JEtcZ27318 for ; Fri, 19 Jan 2001 14:55:39 GMT To: Netatalk List Subject: Re: Hidden Files Not Being Copied References: <9F9FCF268C46D411B60600508B6F8726A275D4@meloe.edipresse.ch> Reply-To: sinclair@dis.strath.ac.uk Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 14:55:38 +0000 Message-ID: <27316.979916138@dis.strath.ac.uk> From: Duncan Sinclair Hi, >OK folks, let's clarify something on the U*X side. Let's do a similar clarification on the Mac side then... >A file beginning with a . is definitely NOT MEANT to be "invisible". >It is only that the default "ls" command behaviour is to filter out these >files, for readability purposes. >And the default shell wildcard, "*", too. A file marked "hidden" on the Mac is NOT "invisible". It is only that the behaviour of the Finder is to filter out these files, for simplicity. >Any other thingy (command, API) in the U*X world "sees" everything in a >directory. Any other thing (e.g. standard file open dialogue) in the Mac world "sees" everything in the folder. (Unless it has been filtered for not being the right type.) >Given that, I wonder HOW anyone is supposed to justify that netatalk would >by any mean translate a dot-file into an invisible file. Because people on the Mac don't want to see dot files for the same reasons as people on Unix don't want to see them. >My personal point of view would be to be horrified by such a beast! >Of course, implementing whatever the community want is possible, such as >"Veto" files as in SaMBa . But please: don't make it the default, for the >sake of my rest! :-) Well the current, default behaviour is as you describe - dotfiles cannot be seen at all on the Mac - are you horrified? Are you still sleeping? :-) The fact is that dot files on Unix and hidden files on Mac exist is really for the same reason - to keep important-to-the-system, but un-important-to-the-user, files away from the user so that they can get on with their tasks without extra hassle. (e.g. Typical "Joe MacUser" would try to trash "Desktop" files found lying around. Typical (niave) unix user might not like seeing ~100 odd dot files in his/her home directory (e.g. .Xauthority) and might try "rm -rf .*" - don't try this at home folks!) Same objective, different methodology, same result. Cheers, Duncan. PS> If you've read this far, thanks... Now does anyone know if the latest version of Netatalk compiles and works on Solaris (7)? From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Fri Jan 19 09:59:20 2001 Return-Path: Received: from funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.27]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id JAA25573 for ; Fri, 19 Jan 2001 09:59:20 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id JAA08563 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Fri, 19 Jan 2001 09:59:15 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id JAA08535 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Fri, 19 Jan 2001 09:59:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from clmboh1-smtp3.columbus.rr.com (dhcp065-024-000-112.columbus.rr.com [65.24.0.112] (may be forged)) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id JAA08484 for ; Fri, 19 Jan 2001 09:59:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.iowna.com (dhcp065-024-023-038.columbus.rr.com [65.24.23.38]) by clmboh1-smtp3.columbus.rr.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id f0JEuv715368; Fri, 19 Jan 2001 09:56:57 -0500 (EST) Sender: wmoran@clmboh1-smtp3.columbus.rr.com Message-ID: <3A68559C.8395F695@mail.iowna.com> Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 09:56:28 -0500 From: Bill Moran X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (X11; U; FreeBSD 4.2-STABLE i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sinclair@dis.strath.ac.uk CC: netatalk-admins@umich.edu Subject: Re: Hidden Files Not Being Copied References: <3.0.3.32.20010118182046.031f39a0@mailhost.cam.harlequin.co.uk> <3A676809.F97BC22E@mail.iowna.com> <01011906253702.00573@athlet> <27104.979914895@dis.strath.ac.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Duncan Sinclair wrote: > > >The sequence may be slightly different than I described. Here was > >exactly what I was doing ... > >1. Use WinNT to copy a folder tree full of stuff onto the FreeBSD server > >via Samba > >2. Sit down at the FreeBSD box and verify that the files/directories had > >ownership/perms that it should be deletable by Netatalk users. > >3. Attempt to delete the folder tree from a Mac > >Result: all files are deleted, directories are not. Mac give a "can not > >delete because in use" error. > >On the server, the .AppleDouble files remain (these were created by > >Netatalk when the Mac browsed the tree) but no other files exist ... "rm > >-r *" deletes the tree without error. It can also be deleted from the > >WinNT station. > > Do any of the files have a name longer than 32 characters??? > > These files also are never seem by a Mac, and so cannot be deleted, > and a directory containing them will not be deleteable. Nope, already been checked. In my tests I created directory trees /test/test/test with files called test.txt in them. Same behaviour though. Thanks for the reply. My original question still stands: Can anyone duplicate this behaviour? Has anyone tried and got different results than me? -Bill From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Fri Jan 19 12:02:09 2001 Return-Path: Received: from funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.27]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id MAA28855 for ; Fri, 19 Jan 2001 12:02:08 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id MAA22756 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Fri, 19 Jan 2001 12:02:03 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id MAA22737 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Fri, 19 Jan 2001 12:02:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from leonids.lunar.com (c06-045.006.popsite.net [64.24.38.45]) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id MAA22679 for ; Fri, 19 Jan 2001 12:01:59 -0500 (EST) Received: (from miketec@localhost) by leonids.lunar.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/SuSE Linux 8.9.3-0.1) id JAA01768; Fri, 19 Jan 2001 09:02:13 -0800 Message-Id: <200101191702.JAA01768@leonids.lunar.com> Subject: Re: Off Topic DNS problem From: Mike Johnson To: Heath Henderson Cc: Appletalk on Linux , netatalk-admins@umich.edu In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain X-Mailer: Evolution 0.8 (Developer Preview) Date: 19 Jan 2001 09:02:13 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Hello, I can't say that I've seen that problem before, but you can modify what messages are sent to the console. Save a backup copy of /etc/syslog.conf and open syslog.conf. Look for (probably) the first line that's something like this: kern.* /dev/console change it to something like kern.* /var/log/kernel or wherever you store your log files. If there is anything else in that file that says /dev/console, you might want to send that info to a text file, too. If you still want to get kernel error messages, then add this line. kern.err /dev/console I can't say what priority of error the one you are describing is, but hopefully the .err will filter the less important info. Check out 'man syslog.conf', too. - Mike Johnson On 19 Jan 2001 06:06:26 -0600, Heath Henderson wrote: > Hello all, I am writing this in hopes that someone knows of my problem. It > isn't really a problem but more of an irritation. I just upgraded our DNS > server RH 6.2 from Kernel 2.2.12 to 2.2.16. All went well but now After a > reboot I get Reverse Lookup failure errors. They hit our Proxy server and > die, but I am not sure why they are being displayed. They look like the > following > > IP_MasQ:Reverse ICMP:failed checksum from xxx.xxx.xxx.xx > > (Where xxx.xxx.xxx.xx is our Proxy server) > > I am not sure how it was set up before, but I am sure that it is possible to > turn this display off so as I do not see this when I am in the middle of > working on things on this box. I am not sure why it does this, but I need > to turn off the constant display of this. > > Any help would be great. > > Thanks > > Heath Henderson From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Fri Jan 19 12:13:13 2001 Return-Path: Received: from kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.25]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id MAA29050 for ; Fri, 19 Jan 2001 12:13:13 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id MAA20018 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Fri, 19 Jan 2001 12:13:13 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id MAA19995 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Fri, 19 Jan 2001 12:13:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from rgrjr.dyndns.org (h0050da615e79.ne.mediaone.net [24.218.161.12]) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with SMTP id MAA19960 for ; Fri, 19 Jan 2001 12:13:11 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 3857 invoked by uid 500); 19 Jan 2001 17:13:09 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <14952.30117.576631.147907@h0050da615e79.ne.mediaone.net> Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 12:13:09 -0500 From: Bob Rogers To: sinclair@dis.strath.ac.uk Cc: Netatalk List Subject: Re: Hidden Files Not Being Copied In-Reply-To: <27316.979916138@dis.strath.ac.uk> References: <9F9FCF268C46D411B60600508B6F8726A275D4@meloe.edipresse.ch> <27316.979916138@dis.strath.ac.uk> X-Mailer: VM 6.89 under Emacs 20.7.1 From: Duncan Sinclair Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 14:55:38 +0000 The fact is that dot files on Unix and hidden files on Mac exist is really for the same reason - to keep important-to-the-system, but un-important-to-the-user, files away from the user so that they can get on with their tasks without extra hassle. I would go further. Dot-files on Unix generally exist for Unix-specific purposes, and hidden files on the Mac exist for Mac-specific purposes, so it is pointless at best, and possibly counterproductive, to move them from Unix to Mac or vice versa. That is why I think netatalk's default behavior with respect to dot-files is optimal. -- Bob Rogers From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Fri Jan 19 12:39:48 2001 Return-Path: Received: from easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.26]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id MAA29742 for ; Fri, 19 Jan 2001 12:39:48 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id MAA12382 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Fri, 19 Jan 2001 12:39:48 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id MAA12358 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Fri, 19 Jan 2001 12:39:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from quartz.dis.strath.ac.uk (quartz.dis.strath.ac.uk [130.159.120.5]) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id MAA12317 for ; Fri, 19 Jan 2001 12:39:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from dis.strath.ac.uk (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by quartz.dis.strath.ac.uk (8.11.0/8.11.0/2.7) with ESMTP id f0JHdgZ29052; Fri, 19 Jan 2001 17:39:42 GMT To: Bob Rogers , netatalk-admins@umich.edu Subject: Re: Hidden Files Not Being Copied In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 19 Jan 2001 12:13:09 EST." Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 17:39:42 +0000 Message-ID: <29050.979925982@dis.strath.ac.uk> From: Duncan Sinclair Hi, Bob Rogers writes: > From: Duncan Sinclair > Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 14:55:38 +0000 > > The fact is that dot files on Unix and hidden files on Mac exist > is really for the same reason - to keep important-to-the-system, > but un-important-to-the-user, files away from the user so that > they can get on with their tasks without extra hassle. > >I would go further. Dot-files on Unix generally exist for Unix-specific >purposes, and hidden files on the Mac exist for Mac-specific purposes, >so it is pointless at best, and possibly counterproductive, to move them >from Unix to Mac or vice versa. That is why I think netatalk's default >behavior with respect to dot-files is optimal. And how about files like ".htaccess"? If you're developing a web site on your Mac for delivery on Apache running on Unix, you've got every right and reason to be wanting to edit dot files. Cheers, Duncan. From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Fri Jan 19 12:50:30 2001 Return-Path: Received: from funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.27]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id MAA00006 for ; Fri, 19 Jan 2001 12:50:30 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id MAA14883 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Fri, 19 Jan 2001 12:50:25 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id MAA14865 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Fri, 19 Jan 2001 12:50:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from specialreserve.net (www3.reserve.co.uk [195.216.17.3]) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id MAA14828 for ; Fri, 19 Jan 2001 12:50:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from [192.168.1.57] (195.216.17.40) by specialreserve.net with ESMTP (Eudora Internet Mail Server 2.2.2); Fri, 19 Jan 2001 17:50:28 +0000 User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 17:50:26 +0000 Subject: Re: Off Topic DNS problem From: Basil Hussain To: Mike Johnson CC: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200101191702.JAA01768@leonids.lunar.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Organization: Inter-Mediates Ltd. Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Hi, > I can't say that I've seen that problem before, but you can modify what > messages are sent to the console. > > Save a backup copy of /etc/syslog.conf and open syslog.conf. Look for > (probably) the first line that's something like this: > > kern.* /dev/console > > change it to something like > > kern.* /var/log/kernel Wow, thanks! I've been wanting to find out what settings to modify to do exactly this for ages! And now your advice to someone else turns up out of the blue... This is gonna be a real boon. I've been trying to keep track of kernel-level networking errors ("Suspect short first fragment" errors, if anyone can tell me what they mean) on a couple of my servers that I suspect are being generated by some evil port-scanning technique, but as they only got logged to the console I miss most of them. Anyway, thanks again! Regards, ------------------------------------------------ Basil Hussain (basil.hussain@specialreserve.net) From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Fri Jan 19 13:00:19 2001 Return-Path: Received: from easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.26]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id NAA00246 for ; Fri, 19 Jan 2001 13:00:18 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id NAA20766 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Fri, 19 Jan 2001 13:00:18 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id NAA20746 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Fri, 19 Jan 2001 13:00:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from ee.cornell.edu (anise.ee.cornell.edu [128.84.239.14]) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id NAA20695 for ; Fri, 19 Jan 2001 13:00:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from [128.84.239.190] (harrier.ee.cornell.edu [128.84.239.190]) by ee.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA19672; Fri, 19 Jan 2001 13:00:12 -0500 (EST) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: rz10@postoffice.mail.cornell.edu Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <29050.979925982@dis.strath.ac.uk> References: <29050.979925982@dis.strath.ac.uk> Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 12:59:21 -0500 To: Duncan Sinclair , Bob Rogers , netatalk-admins@umich.edu From: Ray Zimmerman Subject: Re: Hidden Files Not Being Copied Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" >And how about files like ".htaccess"? > >If you're developing a web site on your Mac for delivery on Apache >running on Unix, you've got every right and reason to be wanting >to edit dot files. So, does anyone know if it is possible with the current netatalk config options to set it up so that the Mac can see dotfiles as VISIBLE files? Ray From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Fri Jan 19 13:07:21 2001 Return-Path: Received: from funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.27]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id NAA00439 for ; Fri, 19 Jan 2001 13:07:21 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id NAA14050 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Fri, 19 Jan 2001 13:07:15 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id NAA14023 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Fri, 19 Jan 2001 13:07:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from specialreserve.net (www3.reserve.co.uk [195.216.17.3]) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id NAA13951 for ; Fri, 19 Jan 2001 13:07:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from [192.168.1.57] (195.216.17.40) by specialreserve.net with ESMTP (Eudora Internet Mail Server 2.2.2); Fri, 19 Jan 2001 18:07:17 +0000 User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 18:07:15 +0000 Subject: Re: Hidden Files Not Being Copied From: Basil Hussain To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <29050.979925982@dis.strath.ac.uk> Mime-version: 1.0 Organization: Inter-Mediates Ltd. Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit > And how about files like ".htaccess"? > > If you're developing a web site on your Mac for delivery on Apache > running on Unix, you've got every right and reason to be wanting > to edit dot files. Or at least have them copied when you duplicate/copy a directory containing them... Having them visible to edit too would be even better. This was my original gripe that started this whole discussion! Regards, ------------------------------------------------ Basil Hussain (basil.hussain@specialreserve.net) From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Fri Jan 19 13:07:41 2001 Return-Path: Received: from funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.27]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id NAA00462 for ; Fri, 19 Jan 2001 13:07:41 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id NAA14584 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Fri, 19 Jan 2001 13:07:36 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id NAA14536 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Fri, 19 Jan 2001 13:07:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from rgrjr.dyndns.org (h0050da615e79.ne.mediaone.net [24.218.161.12]) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with SMTP id NAA14490 for ; Fri, 19 Jan 2001 13:07:32 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 3972 invoked by uid 500); 19 Jan 2001 18:07:35 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <14952.33383.78986.574357@h0050da615e79.ne.mediaone.net> Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 13:07:35 -0500 From: Bob Rogers To: Duncan Sinclair Cc: Bob Rogers , netatalk-admins@umich.edu Subject: Re: Hidden Files Not Being Copied In-Reply-To: <29050.979925982@dis.strath.ac.uk> References: <29050.979925982@dis.strath.ac.uk> X-Mailer: VM 6.89 under Emacs 20.7.1 From: Duncan Sinclair Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 17:39:42 +0000 Hi, Bob Rogers writes: > . . . >I would go further. Dot-files on Unix generally exist for Unix-specific >purposes, and hidden files on the Mac exist for Mac-specific purposes, >so it is pointless at best, and possibly counterproductive, to move them >from Unix to Mac or vice versa. That is why I think netatalk's default >behavior with respect to dot-files is optimal. And how about files like ".htaccess"? If you're developing a web site on your Mac for delivery on Apache running on Unix, you've got every right and reason to be wanting to edit dot files. Cheers, Duncan. Granted; I assume that's why there's apparently a "usedots" switch that changes the default. I'm just arguing that the current default is the sanest thing to do for most installations. (Which, of course, mirrors my prejudices about who is using netatalk, and for what.) -- Bob From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Fri Jan 19 14:08:28 2001 Return-Path: Received: from funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.27]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id OAA01849 for ; Fri, 19 Jan 2001 14:08:27 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id OAA01228 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Fri, 19 Jan 2001 14:08:22 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id OAA01214 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Fri, 19 Jan 2001 14:08:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from europa.lunar.com (europa.lunar.com [207.33.114.135]) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id OAA01169 for ; Fri, 19 Jan 2001 14:08:20 -0500 (EST) Received: by europa.lunar.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Fri, 19 Jan 2001 11:07:03 -0800 Message-ID: From: Mike Johnson To: "'Basil Hussain'" Cc: "'netatalk-admins@umich.edu'" Subject: RE: Off Topic DNS problem Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 11:07:02 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" Hey, I'm glad that helped. constant messages to the console can be quite a pain.... About the error messages themselves, though. I would check to see if you enabled verbose logging in your kernel compilation. There is a choice there -- I believe I saw it when I did mine so many ages ago -- to turn on or off verbose logging. You might consider compiling again if it has been turned on. You might also check the howto and the /etc/rc.d/rc.firewall script they had you make to see if there are any logging options. I'm just going off what I remember. Your mileage may vary. :-) - Mike > ---------- > From: Basil Hussain > Sent: Friday, January 19, 2001 9:50 AM > To: Mike Johnson > Cc: netatalk-admins@umich.edu > Subject: Re: Off Topic DNS problem > > > Wow, thanks! I've been wanting to find out what settings to modify to do > exactly this for ages! And now your advice to someone else turns up out of > the blue... > > This is gonna be a real boon. I've been trying to keep track of > kernel-level > networking errors ("Suspect short first fragment" errors, if anyone can > tell > me what they mean) on a couple of my servers that I suspect are being > generated by some evil port-scanning technique, but as they only got > logged > to the console I miss most of them. > > Anyway, thanks again! > > Regards, > > ------------------------------------------------ > Basil Hussain (basil.hussain@specialreserve.net) > > From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Fri Jan 19 17:51:58 2001 Return-Path: Received: from easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.26]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id RAA08093 for ; Fri, 19 Jan 2001 17:51:57 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id RAA03405 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Fri, 19 Jan 2001 17:51:57 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id RAA03374 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Fri, 19 Jan 2001 17:51:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from tsmtp3.ldap.isp ([195.235.113.141]) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id RAA02283 for ; Fri, 19 Jan 2001 17:51:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from cubeship.borgspace.alpha ([213.97.106.73]) by tsmtp3.ldap.isp (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with ESMTP id G7FLZP04.KAT for ; Fri, 19 Jan 2001 23:47:49 +0100 Received: from tangy.borgspace.alpha ([10.0.0.3] helo=tangy) by cubeship.borgspace.alpha with smtp (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 14JkMr-0006xO-00 for ; Fri, 19 Jan 2001 23:50:49 +0100 Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 23:50:34 +0100 Reply-To: jasonq@usa.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Jason Quigley To: Subject: Re: Hidden Files Not Being Copied Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu id RAA08093 Perhaps a solution would be something like an AppleVolumes.visible file where one could put things like .htaccess, etc. Cheers, Jason. On Friday, January 19, 2001, at 07:07 PM, Basil Hussain wrote: > > And how about files like ".htaccess"? > > > > If you're developing a web site on your Mac for delivery on Apache > > running on Unix, you've got every right and reason to be wanting > > to edit dot files. > > Or at least have them copied when you duplicate/copy a directory containing > them... Having them visible to edit too would be even better. > > This was my original gripe that started this whole discussion! > > Regards, > > ------------------------------------------------ > Basil Hussain (basil.hussain@specialreserve.net) > > > > From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Fri Jan 19 18:05:18 2001 Return-Path: Received: from funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.27]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id SAA08280 for ; Fri, 19 Jan 2001 18:05:18 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id SAA18515 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Fri, 19 Jan 2001 18:05:13 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id SAA18476 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Fri, 19 Jan 2001 18:05:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from clmboh1-smtp3.columbus.rr.com (dhcp065-024-000-112.columbus.rr.com [65.24.0.112] (may be forged)) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id SAA18437 for ; Fri, 19 Jan 2001 18:05:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.iowna.com (dhcp065-024-023-038.columbus.rr.com [65.24.23.38]) by clmboh1-smtp3.columbus.rr.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id f0JN2v727031; Fri, 19 Jan 2001 18:02:57 -0500 (EST) Sender: wmoran@clmboh1-smtp3.columbus.rr.com Message-ID: <3A68C787.851CE504@mail.iowna.com> Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 18:02:31 -0500 From: Bill Moran X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (X11; U; FreeBSD 4.2-STABLE i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: jasonq@usa.net CC: netatalk-admins@umich.edu Subject: Re: Hidden Files Not Being Copied References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Jason Quigley wrote: > > Perhaps a solution would be something like an AppleVolumes.visible file where one could put things like .htaccess, etc. How about configuring Netatalk to show these file if you have need to edit them? -Bill From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Fri Jan 19 18:10:54 2001 Return-Path: Received: from kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.25]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id SAA08389 for ; Fri, 19 Jan 2001 18:10:53 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id SAA10383 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Fri, 19 Jan 2001 18:10:53 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id SAA10361 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Fri, 19 Jan 2001 18:10:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from tsmtp1.mail.isp ([195.235.113.141]) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id SAA10149 for ; Fri, 19 Jan 2001 18:10:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from cubeship.borgspace.alpha ([213.97.106.73]) by tsmtp1.mail.isp (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with ESMTP id G7FMY104.L6S; Sat, 20 Jan 2001 00:08:25 +0100 Received: from tangy.borgspace.alpha ([10.0.0.3] helo=tangy) by cubeship.borgspace.alpha with smtp (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 14Jkfi-0006y7-00; Sat, 20 Jan 2001 00:10:18 +0100 Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2001 00:10:00 +0100 From: Jason Quigley Reply-To: jasonq@usa.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Hidden Files Not Being Copied Cc: jasonq@usa.net, netatalk-admins@umich.edu To: Bill Moran Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 On Saturday, January 20, 2001, at 12:02 AM, Bill Moran wrote: > How about configuring Netatalk to show these file if you have need to > edit them? > Are there some configuration parameters that I'm unaware of? Thanks, Jason. From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Fri Jan 19 19:01:33 2001 Return-Path: Received: from kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.25]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id TAA09679 for ; Fri, 19 Jan 2001 19:01:33 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id TAA28248 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Fri, 19 Jan 2001 19:01:33 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id TAA28222 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Fri, 19 Jan 2001 19:01:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from clmboh1-smtp3.columbus.rr.com (dhcp065-024-000-112.columbus.rr.com [65.24.0.112] (may be forged)) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id TAA27968 for ; Fri, 19 Jan 2001 19:01:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.iowna.com (dhcp065-024-023-038.columbus.rr.com [65.24.23.38]) by clmboh1-smtp3.columbus.rr.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id f0JNx0707653; Fri, 19 Jan 2001 18:59:00 -0500 (EST) Sender: wmoran@clmboh1-smtp3.columbus.rr.com Message-ID: <3A68D4AA.AC1A340E@mail.iowna.com> Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 18:58:34 -0500 From: Bill Moran X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (X11; U; FreeBSD 4.2-STABLE i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: jasonq@usa.net CC: netatalk-admins@umich.edu Subject: Re: Hidden Files Not Being Copied References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Jason Quigley wrote: > > On Saturday, January 20, 2001, at 12:02 AM, Bill Moran wrote: > > > How about configuring Netatalk to show these file if you have need to > > edit them? > > > > Are there some configuration parameters that I'm unaware of? Yes, there are two config options in the config file that control the way dotfiles are treated by Netatalk. It's possible to have them show up simply as regular files. -Bill From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Fri Jan 19 20:06:45 2001 Return-Path: Received: from kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.25]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id UAA11108 for ; Fri, 19 Jan 2001 20:06:45 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id UAA23177 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Fri, 19 Jan 2001 20:06:45 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id UAA23161 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Fri, 19 Jan 2001 20:06:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from tsmtp6.mail.isp ([195.235.113.141]) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id UAA22894 for ; Fri, 19 Jan 2001 20:06:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from cubeship.borgspace.alpha ([213.97.106.73]) by tsmtp6.mail.isp (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with ESMTP id G7FSB901.ZBX; Sat, 20 Jan 2001 02:04:21 +0100 Received: from tangy.borgspace.alpha ([10.0.0.3] helo=tangy) by cubeship.borgspace.alpha with smtp (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 14JmTz-00071e-00; Sat, 20 Jan 2001 02:06:20 +0100 Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2001 02:06:08 +0100 From: Jason Quigley Reply-To: jasonq@usa.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Hidden Files Not Being Copied Cc: jasonq@usa.net, netatalk-admins@umich.edu To: Bill Moran Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu id UAA11108 Ah yes, I know about "options:usedots". I was leaning more towards the idea of having a separate configuration file which would contain filenames or globs so that exactly which files are seen can be tightly controlled, much the way files can be marked as hidden in Samba. Cheers, Jason. On Saturday, January 20, 2001, at 12:58 AM, Bill Moran wrote: > Jason Quigley wrote: > > > > Are there some configuration parameters that I'm unaware of? > > Yes, there are two config options in the config file that control the > way dotfiles are treated by Netatalk. It's possible to have them show up > simply as regular files. > > -Bill > > > From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Tue Jan 23 06:04:01 2001 Return-Path: Received: from easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.26]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id GAA26005 for ; Tue, 23 Jan 2001 06:04:01 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id GAA01647 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Tue, 23 Jan 2001 06:04:01 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id GAA01636 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Tue, 23 Jan 2001 06:04:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from monterosa.urbanet.ch (monterosa.urbanet.ch [195.202.193.104]) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with SMTP id GAA01617 for ; Tue, 23 Jan 2001 06:03:59 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 15541 invoked from network); 23 Jan 2001 11:03:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mi-note.media-aera.ch) (195.202.208.116) by monterosa.urbanet.ch with SMTP; 23 Jan 2001 11:03:43 -0000 Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20010123120108.04445800@mail2.mediaprofil.ch> X-Sender: mi@mail2.mediaprofil.ch X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 12:03:22 +0100 To: vgb@enschede.dhs.org, Netatalk vragen From: Milivoj Ivkovic Subject: Re: Very slow login and multiple logins In-Reply-To: <979569989.3a630d4570111@kanarie.xilay.cxm> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Same problem here, with MacOS 8.6! Did you find the solution? Where does the Mac store this login information for remounts at reboot anyway? Hope someone has ideas... Milivoj >I am using Mac OS 9 and Netatalk-1.42b2+asun2.1.4-0 and >are experiencing the follwing problem. > >I replaced a NT-server by a SuSE 7.0 box, some Mac's >(with Mac os 8.x) can login quick and without a >problem, other Mac's (with Mac OS 9) seem to freeze a >few minutes and they request multiple logins by >different loginnames. > >Even after canceling all logins and auto-logins they >request a login, at last, after the Mac has started >(after several minutes), I can login very quickly! and >it requests only one loginname. > >I tried this with and without -notcp but this doesn't >seem to help. Anyone? > >With friendly regards, > >Vincent From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Tue Jan 23 10:03:55 2001 Return-Path: Received: from kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.25]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id KAA01522 for ; Tue, 23 Jan 2001 10:03:55 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id KAA21092 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Tue, 23 Jan 2001 10:03:55 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id KAA21076 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Tue, 23 Jan 2001 10:03:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from dante.kinkaid.org (dante.kinkaid.org [207.80.142.250]) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id KAA21044 for ; Tue, 23 Jan 2001 10:03:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from [172.16.16.62] ([172.16.16.62]) by dante.kinkaid.org (8.10.2/8.10.2) with ESMTP id f0NFlWN18465; Tue, 23 Jan 2001 09:47:32 -0600 User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.01 (1630) Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 09:03:45 -0600 Subject: Re: Very slow login and multiple logins From: Crystal To: Milivoj Ivkovic , , Netatalk vragen Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.2.20010123120108.04445800@mail2.mediaprofil.ch> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit on 1/23/01 5:03 AM, Milivoj Ivkovic at mi@alma.ch wrote: > Same problem here, with MacOS 8.6! > > Did you find the solution? > > Where does the Mac store this login information for remounts at reboot anyway? > > Hope someone has ideas... > > Milivoj For MacOS 9+, check in the Mac's System folder in a folder called "Servers". You may see aliases of the servers the Mac has previously logged onto. This generally happens when the user checks the box next to the share name, instead of just selecting the sharename and clicking "ok". Checking the box prompts the Mac to try to log on to that server again. Alot of my users do that.... For MacOS 8.6 and lower, trash the AppleSharePrep file in System Folder - Preferences. This is the file that contains info on previous servers and whether they are marked for auto-logon. Hope that helps. -- Crystal Morillo cmorillo@kinkaid.org The Kinkaid School - www.kinkaid.org From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Wed Jan 24 10:10:03 2001 Return-Path: Received: from kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.25]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id KAA08021 for ; Wed, 24 Jan 2001 10:10:03 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id KAA18950 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Wed, 24 Jan 2001 10:10:03 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id KAA18934 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Wed, 24 Jan 2001 10:10:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from monterosa.urbanet.ch (monterosa.urbanet.ch [195.202.193.104]) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with SMTP id KAA18907 for ; Wed, 24 Jan 2001 10:10:01 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 6333 invoked from network); 24 Jan 2001 15:09:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mi-note.media-aera.ch) (195.202.208.116) by monterosa.urbanet.ch with SMTP; 24 Jan 2001 15:09:55 -0000 Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20010124160125.00b1f870@mail2.mediaprofil.ch> X-Sender: mi@mail2.mediaprofil.ch X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 16:08:24 +0100 To: From: Milivoj Ivkovic Subject: Re: Very slow login and multiple logins In-Reply-To: References: <4.3.2.7.2.20010123120108.04445800@mail2.mediaprofil.ch> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Thanks a lot to all who answered. >Don't know if this will help but on the Macintosh, in the System Folder, >there is a directory named Servers. Look inside and if there are any >files, usually aliases or links, remove them. Did that. >You may see aliases of the servers the Mac has previously logged onto. This >generally happens when the user checks the box next to the share name, >instead of just selecting the sharename and clicking "ok". Checking the box >prompts the Mac to try to log on to that server again. Alot of my users do >that.... > >For MacOS 8.6 and lower, trash the AppleSharePrep file in System Folder - >Preferences. This is the file that contains info on previous servers and >whether they are marked for auto-logon. Also did that. >Hope that helps. It did! Problem apparently solved. I applied both suggestions (on 8.6), so I'm not sure which solved what, but anyway it's OK. I'll try on 9.0 later today. >Haben Sie die "Schlüsselbund-Funktion" von OS 9 schon probiert? I have yet to experiment with this. Thank you all, Milivoj From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Thu Jan 25 05:59:58 2001 Return-Path: Received: from funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.27]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id FAA06500 for ; Thu, 25 Jan 2001 05:59:58 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id FAA29394 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Thu, 25 Jan 2001 05:59:52 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id FAA29377 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Thu, 25 Jan 2001 05:59:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from mailgate3.cinetic.de (mailgate3.cinetic.de [212.227.116.80]) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id FAA29337 for ; Thu, 25 Jan 2001 05:59:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from cinetic.de (popeye.cinetic.de [194.122.194.100]) by mailgate3.cinetic.de (8.11.2/8.11.0/SuSE Linux 8.11.0-0.4) with SMTP id f0PAxtg15719 for ; Thu, 25 Jan 2001 11:59:55 +0100 Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 11:59:55 +0100 Message-Id: <200101251059.f0PAxtg15719@mailgate3.cinetic.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Organization: http://freemail.web.de/ From: "Joachim Nestler" To: netatalk-admins@umich.edu Subject: printing to netatalk with samba Precedence: fm-user Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu id FAA06500 Hallo, Im trying ( for 4 weeks) to print to my Apple Laserwriter form my PC over the Linux-Server. Now I can print from the Linux-Server directly print with the command lpr -P lp4 On my Windows PC is win Mill.-Edt. installt and the Linux-Syxstem is Suse Linux 7.0 professional Edt. My Problem is that I cannot find the Printer in my network-enviroment but the filesharing with Macintosh <-> Linux <-> Windows is working fine. Does anybody know, how can I prepare my config-files for the prining? Any advice would be appreciated! -smb.conf- [global] workgroup = MYGROUP netbios name = SERVER2S encrypt passwords = Yes max log size = 500 keepalive = 30 kernel oplocks = No hosts allow = 192.168.1.0/24 localhost printcap name = /etc/printcap printing = bsd [lp4] path = /var/spool/lpd/alwp630 guest ok = Yes printable = Yes print command = lpr -P lp4 %P printer = lp4 [printers] comment = all Printers path = /var/spool/lpd create mask = 0700 guest ok = Yes printable = Yes -printcap- lp4|daten LaserWriter|LaserWriterPro630:\ :lp=/var/spool/lpd/alwp630/null:\ :of=/usr/lib/atalk/filters/ofpap:\ :sd=/var/spool/lpd/alwp630:\ :lf=/var/spool/lpd/alwp630/log:\ :af=/var/spool/lpd/alwp630/acct:\ :ar:bk:mx#0:\ :tr=:cl:sh: ______________________________________________________________________________ Die Fachpresse ist sich einig: WEB.DE 17mal Testsieger! Kostenlos E-Mail, Fax, SMS, Verschlüsselung, POP3, WAP....testen Sie uns! http://freemail.web.de From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Thu Jan 25 07:07:31 2001 Return-Path: Received: from funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.27]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id HAA07823 for ; Thu, 25 Jan 2001 07:07:31 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id HAA24822 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Thu, 25 Jan 2001 07:07:25 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id HAA24806 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Thu, 25 Jan 2001 07:07:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from specialreserve.net (www3.reserve.co.uk [195.216.17.3]) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id HAA24765 for ; Thu, 25 Jan 2001 07:07:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from [192.168.1.57] (195.216.17.40) by specialreserve.net with ESMTP (Eudora Internet Mail Server 2.2.2); Thu, 25 Jan 2001 12:07:29 +0000 User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 12:07:26 +0000 Subject: Is Netatalk causing these kernel errors? From: Basil Hussain To: Netatalk List Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Organization: Inter-Mediates Ltd. Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Hi all, Upon rebooting a new server I'm testing, I noticed some strange error/warning messages from the kernel when Netatalk started up. The error was: kmem_grow: Called nonatomically from int - size-32 This was repeated 3 times in succession. Is anything wrong here? Everything seems to work fine, as Netatalk started up okay and I'm able to connect fine to all shares. Restarting Netatalk subsequently didn't yield the same errors. I'm running netatalk-1.4.99-0.20001108mdk (from Sourceforge RPM). The server is running RedHat 6.2, but I have just retrofitted the newer kernel distributed with RedHat 7 (2.2.16-22) - could this be what's playing up? It seems to be okay otherwise... (In case you're wondering, I'm playing with the CIPE VPN system, who's kernel module is only available with RH7.) Anyway, firstly, can anyone tell me if this actually could have been caused by Netatalk, or is it just a coincidence? Secondly, if to-do with Netatalk, is it anything to worry about? Regards, ------------------------------------------------ Basil Hussain (basil.hussain@specialreserve.net) From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Thu Jan 25 14:58:59 2001 Return-Path: Received: from changeofhabit.mr.itd.umich.edu (changeofhabit.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.144.17]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id OAA00865 for ; Thu, 25 Jan 2001 14:58:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.26] (may be forged)) by changeofhabit.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.2r) with ESMTP id OAA01712 for ; Thu, 25 Jan 2001 14:58:59 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id OAA12267 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Thu, 25 Jan 2001 14:55:37 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id OAA12255 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Thu, 25 Jan 2001 14:55:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from web216.mail.yahoo.com (web216.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.116]) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with SMTP id OAA12237 for ; Thu, 25 Jan 2001 14:55:35 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 21956 invoked by uid 60001); 25 Jan 2001 19:55:34 -0000 Message-ID: <20010125195534.21955.qmail@web216.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.7.6.35] by web216.mail.yahoo.com; Thu, 25 Jan 2001 11:55:34 PST Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 11:55:34 -0800 (PST) From: Edward Plese Subject: Large Volumes To: netatalk-admins@umich.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii How well does netatalk handle large volumes, many files, and many clients? Would netatalk have any problems with 40GB of data in 350,000 files on a single volume with simultaneous connectinos from 300 client Macintosh computers? I am new to netatalk and have only done testing on a small scale, so any info would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, Ed Plese eplese@yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices. http://auctions.yahoo.com/ From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Thu Jan 25 15:24:00 2001 Return-Path: Received: from kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.25]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id PAA01674 for ; Thu, 25 Jan 2001 15:24:00 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id PAA19916 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Thu, 25 Jan 2001 15:24:00 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id PAA19897 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Thu, 25 Jan 2001 15:23:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from potsdam.edu (potsdam.edu [137.143.110.101]) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with SMTP id PAA19819 for ; Thu, 25 Jan 2001 15:23:57 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 19607 invoked by alias); 25 Jan 2001 20:24:03 -0000 Received: (qmail 19479 invoked by uid 0); 25 Jan 2001 20:23:54 -0000 Received: from comp10574.potsdam.edu (HELO potsdam.edu) (137.143.111.133) by potsdam.edu with SMTP; 25 Jan 2001 20:23:54 -0000 Message-ID: <3A708B9D.D36A002D@potsdam.edu> Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 15:25:01 -0500 From: Matthew Keller X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Edward Plese CC: netatalk-admins@umich.edu Subject: Re: Large Volumes References: <20010125195534.21955.qmail@web216.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The main issues with Netatalk under these situations aren't Netatalk's problem, rather it's the client's problem. Mac's, in general, have issues displaying folders that contain a large number of files/folders. If you organize the file structure properly, the below requirements are trivial- I have environments that are much more demanding. However if you throw those 350,000 files in the root of that volume, your clients will choke... Miserably. Tip: RAID0/1 RAID0/1 RAID0/1 Edward Plese wrote: > > How well does netatalk handle large volumes, many > files, and many clients? Would netatalk have any > problems with 40GB of data in 350,000 files on a > single volume with simultaneous connectinos from 300 > client Macintosh computers? I am new to netatalk and > have only done testing on a small scale, so any info > would be greatly appreciated. -- Matthew Keller WebMaster, Interim Network Manager & Host Systems Analyst Computing & Technology Services Information Services Division State University of New York at Potsdam Website: http://mattwork.potsdam.edu/ PGP: http://mattwork.potsdam.edu/crypto/ From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Thu Jan 25 17:06:06 2001 Return-Path: Received: from kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.25]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id RAA03496 for ; Thu, 25 Jan 2001 17:06:06 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id RAA18680 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Thu, 25 Jan 2001 17:06:06 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id RAA18669 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Thu, 25 Jan 2001 17:06:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.the-i-pa.com (client-151-201-71-132.the-i-pa.com [151.201.71.132] (may be forged)) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with SMTP id RAA18645 for ; Thu, 25 Jan 2001 17:06:04 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 30295 invoked from network); 25 Jan 2001 22:15:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ws1) (151.201.71.138) by mail.the-i-pa.com with SMTP; 25 Jan 2001 22:15:45 -0000 Message-ID: <000e01c0871c$4c94d430$8a47c997@ws1> From: "All-Ireland Racing/Guinness Cycling Team" To: "Edward Plese" , Subject: Re: Large Volumes Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 17:15:17 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Large volumes seem to work just fine (just use the latest version) I've got a 30G volume available and the Macs see it just fine. 350,000 is a lot of files, but as someone else said, you'll be fine as long as there's some sort of directory structure. I don't think you want to put more than about 10,000 files in a directory (as an absolute max), no matter what OS you're talking about. I don't see why it couldn't handle 300 connections, but I would have plenty of RAM in the machine. The server I'm looking at right now has 10 active Netatalk connections, 1 active Microsoft connection and 2 active NFS connections. It's using about 10M of RAM to maintain this. I would figure 256M RAM absolute minimum to handle 300 connections. Of course, the more RAM you have the more file caching the system can do and performance will improve. The system is an Athlon 1100, running FreeBSD 4.2 and the file performance is excellent. There're about 10,000 files on the shared volume comprising 4.5G. The drives, by the way, are SCSI-160m/s IBM HDDS - very fast! -Bill -----Original Message----- From: Edward Plese To: netatalk-admins@umich.edu Date: Thursday, January 25, 2001 3:14 PM Subject: Large Volumes >How well does netatalk handle large volumes, many >files, and many clients? Would netatalk have any >problems with 40GB of data in 350,000 files on a >single volume with simultaneous connectinos from 300 >client Macintosh computers? I am new to netatalk and >have only done testing on a small scale, so any info >would be greatly appreciated. From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Thu Jan 25 17:53:26 2001 Return-Path: Received: from funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.27]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id RAA05969 for ; Thu, 25 Jan 2001 17:53:26 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id RAA29205 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Thu, 25 Jan 2001 17:53:19 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id RAA29186 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Thu, 25 Jan 2001 17:53:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.arcor-ip.de (mail-ffm-p.arcor-ip.de [145.253.2.10]) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id RAA29069 for ; Thu, 25 Jan 2001 17:53:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from [192.168.1.20] (213.23.36.208) by mail.arcor-ip.de; 25 Jan 2001 23:53:20 +0100 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: jgrantha@mail.hannover.sgh-net.de Message-Id: Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 23:50:48 +0100 To: netatalk-admins@umich.edu From: John L Grantham Subject: Printing problems (long) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Hi all, I'm having a great deal of trouble trying to print using a Personal LaserWriter NTR from Apple, connected via serial cable to /dev/ttyS1. I am using a PowerMac G3 MT/266 with LinuxPPC 2000 Q4; the kernel does have AppleTalk support built-in. Netatalk works fine on the file server end. First I used stty to throttle the port: stty 9600 raw -echo -crtscts ixon ixoff cstopb < /dev/ttyS1 For reference, here are the settings Apple says for the printer: http://til.info.apple.com/tilarchive.nsf/artnum/n15070 I have the printer set on 5 (9600 baud serial, XON/XOFF). If I type in "cat test.ps > /dev/ttyS1", it prints fine. However, if I try to print with netatalk or lpd, it doesn't. Here is my /etc/printcap: lp|SerialShakespeare:\ :sd=/var/spool/lpd/lp:\ :mx#0:sh:rw:sf:\ :lp=/dev/ttyS1:\ :ms=-parity,onlcr,ixon,ixoff:\ :fc#0000374:fs#0000003:xc#0:xs#0040040:\ :br#9600: :if=/usr/sbin/psf:\ :lf=/var/spool/lpd/lp/lpd-errs:\ :of=/usr/sbin/psf: lp0|AppleTalkShakespeare:\ :sd=/var/spool/lpd/lp0:\ :mx#0:sh:rw:sf:\ :lp=/dev/null:\ :if=/usr/lib/atalk/filters/ifpap:\ :of=/usr/lib/atalk/filters/ofpap: Here are the permissions on the relevant files: [root@hobbithole lp0]# ls -al /dev/ttyS* /dev/lp* lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 10 Jan 21 18:26 /dev/lp -> /dev/ttyS1 crw-rw---- 1 root daemon 6, 0 May 5 1998 /dev/lp0 crw-rw---- 1 root daemon 6, 1 May 5 1998 /dev/lp1 crw-rw---- 1 root daemon 6, 2 May 5 1998 /dev/lp2 crw-rw-rw- 1 root tty 4, 64 May 5 1998 /dev/ttyS0 crw-rw-rw- 1 root tty 4, 65 Jan 25 21:35 /dev/ttyS1 crw-rw-rw- 1 root tty 4, 66 May 5 1998 /dev/ttyS2 crw-rw-rw- 1 root tty 4, 67 May 5 1998 /dev/ttyS3 [root@hobbithole lpd]# ls -al /var/spool/lpd total 28 drwxrwxr-x 4 root daemon 4096 Jan 25 22:31 . drwxr-xr-x 10 root root 4096 Jan 23 22:29 .. -rw-rw-r-- 1 root daemon 5 Jan 25 22:40 lock drwxrwxrwx 2 root daemon 4096 Jan 25 21:35 lp drwxrwxr-x 2 root daemon 4096 Jan 25 22:41 lp5 -rw-rw-r-- 1 root daemon 5 Jan 25 22:40 lpd.lock [root@hobbithole lpd]# ll /usr/sbin/ps* -rwxr-sr-x 1 root daemon 4568 Dec 21 1999 /usr/sbin/psa -rwxr-sr-x 1 root daemon 11232 Dec 21 1999 /usr/sbin/psf Finally, lpc status says: [root@hobbithole lpd]# lpc status lp: queuing is enabled printing is enabled no entries no daemon present : queuing is enabled printing is enabled no entries no daemon present lp5: queuing is enabled printing is enabled no entries no daemon present One strange thing is that, when I try to print (either with netatalk or locally with lpr), something resets ttyS1 to 110 baud. When I try printing with lpr, it seems the file is sent, but it just sits in the queue forever and then finally times out. If I try printing via netatalk over the network or pap locally, the job gets queued repeatedly (the queue keeps filling up) until I kill the queue with lprm -. In the meantime, I also get the messages: Didn't get initial page count! status: Permission denied status: Permission denied Unknown Unknown repeated over and over until I kill the queue. Finally, in /var/log/messages, I get the following when trying to print via netatalk: Jan 25 22:44:50 localhost papd[7833]: lp_print queued Jan 25 22:44:50 localhost papd[5028]: child 7833 done Jan 25 22:44:50 localhost ifpap[7830]: 7832 done Jan 25 22:44:50 localhost ifpap[7830]: wait3: No child processes Jan 25 22:44:50 localhost ofpap[7827]: restarting Jan 25 22:44:50 localhost lpd[7369]: restarting lp5 Jan 25 22:44:50 localhost ofpap[7827]: done Jan 25 22:44:50 localhost ofpap[7835]: starting for ? Jan 25 22:44:50 localhost ofpap[7835]: sending to pap[7836] Jan 25 22:44:50 localhost papd[5028]: child 7837 for "Shakespeare" from 65280.107 Jan 25 22:44:50 localhost ofpap[7835]: straight text Jan 25 22:44:50 localhost papd[5028]: child 7837 done Jan 25 22:44:50 localhost ofpap[7835]: 7836 done Jan 25 22:44:50 localhost ofpap[7835]: pausing Jan 25 22:44:50 localhost ifpap[7838]: starting for daemon Jan 25 22:44:50 localhost ifpap[7838]: accounting with psa[7839] Jan 25 22:44:50 localhost ifpap[7838]: sending to pap[7840] Jan 25 22:44:50 localhost ifpap[7838]: PostScript Jan 25 22:44:50 localhost papd[5028]: child 7841 for "Shakespeare" from 65280.107 Jan 25 22:44:50 localhost papd[7841]: lp_print queued Jan 25 22:44:50 localhost ifpap[7838]: 7840 done Jan 25 22:44:50 localhost ifpap[7838]: 7839 died with 2 Jan 25 22:44:50 localhost lpd[7369]: lp5: job could not be printed (cfA830hobbithole) Jan 25 22:44:50 localhost ofpap[7835]: restarting Jan 25 22:44:50 localhost papd[5028]: child 7841 done Jan 25 22:44:50 localhost ofpap[7835]: sending to pap[7843] Jan 25 22:44:50 localhost ofpap[7835]: straight text Jan 25 22:44:50 localhost papd[5028]: child 7844 for "Shakespeare" from 65280.107 Jan 25 22:44:50 localhost ofpap[7835]: 7843 done Jan 25 22:44:50 localhost ofpap[7835]: pausing Jan 25 22:44:50 localhost ifpap[7845]: starting for daemon Jan 25 22:44:50 localhost ifpap[7845]: accounting with psa[7846] Jan 25 22:44:50 localhost papd[5028]: child 7844 done Jan 25 22:44:50 localhost ifpap[7845]: sending to pap[7847] Jan 25 22:44:50 localhost ifpap[7845]: PostScript Jan 25 22:44:50 localhost papd[5028]: child 7848 for "Shakespeare" from 65280.107 This also gets repeated over and over again until the queue is killed. Can someone help me out? Thanks, John -- John Grantham | Dipl.-Designer (FH) | Homepage http://design.macnews.de/ | Linux for PPC http://www.maclinux.de/ Web Designer | AGD Member http://www.agd.de/ From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Thu Jan 25 18:19:32 2001 Return-Path: Received: from easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.26]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id SAA06956 for ; Thu, 25 Jan 2001 18:19:32 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id SAA07841 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Thu, 25 Jan 2001 18:19:31 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id SAA07829 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Thu, 25 Jan 2001 18:19:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from web206.mail.yahoo.com (web206.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.106]) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with SMTP id SAA07808 for ; Thu, 25 Jan 2001 18:19:30 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 3274 invoked by uid 60001); 25 Jan 2001 23:19:29 -0000 Message-ID: <20010125231929.3273.qmail@web206.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [216.233.168.148] by web206.mail.yahoo.com; Thu, 25 Jan 2001 15:19:29 PST Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 15:19:29 -0800 (PST) From: Edward Plese Subject: Using netatalk to share mounted volume To: netatalk-admins@umich.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii In our current environment we were attempting to have a Windows 2000 file server host files for both Macs and PCs. Apparently however, Mac file sharing for Win2k has a serious bug that causes it to crash the server a few times every day. What I am considering would be to setup a Linux box and mount the Windows 2000 file share on the Linux box and then share this mounted volume out to Macs using netatalk. I have tested this and it works fine on a small scale. One thing that I am still wondering is as follows.. Win2k Mac file services will build a file and directory index of the entire volume which becomes very large with hundreds of thousands of files. Over a network this would be horrible. Does netatalk build a file index such as this? Is there any reason this would not work well on a larger scale? Thanks again, -Ed __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices. http://auctions.yahoo.com/ From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Fri Jan 26 07:01:36 2001 Return-Path: Received: from kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.25]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id HAA19890 for ; Fri, 26 Jan 2001 07:01:36 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id HAA11712 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Fri, 26 Jan 2001 07:01:36 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id HAA11701 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Fri, 26 Jan 2001 07:01:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from trinity.magpage.com (trinity.magpage.com [216.155.0.8]) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id HAA11687 for ; Fri, 26 Jan 2001 07:01:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from [216.155.36.73] ([216.155.36.73]) by trinity.magpage.com (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id f0QC1YZ04941 for ; Fri, 26 Jan 2001 07:01:34 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: ryannm@mail.magpage.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20010125231929.3273.qmail@web206.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20010125231929.3273.qmail@web206.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 07:04:21 -0500 To: netatalk-admins@umich.edu From: Ryan McBeth Subject: Re: Using netatalk to share mounted volume Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Edward, this is way off-topic, but how did you do this? You mounted Windows through Samba? Or some kind of wacky Windows NFS client? Ryan >In our current environment we were attempting to have >a Windows 2000 file server host files for both Macs >and PCs. Apparently however, Mac file sharing for >Win2k has a serious bug that causes it to crash the >server a few times every day. What I am considering >would be to setup a Linux box and mount the Windows >2000 file share on the Linux box and then share this >mounted volume out to Macs using netatalk. I have >tested this and it works fine on a small scale. One >thing that I am still wondering is as follows.. Win2k >Mac file services will build a file and directory >index of the entire volume which becomes very large >with hundreds of thousands of files. Over a network >this would be horrible. Does netatalk build a file >index such as this? >Is there any reason this would not work well on a >larger scale? > >Thanks again, >-Ed > > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices. >http://auctions.yahoo.com/ __________________________________ Ryan McBeth Systems Administrator, Mobius New Media Voice: (302) 475-9880 x11 FAX: (302) 475-9894 www.mobiusnm.com __________________________________ If you want to achieve excellence, you can get there today. As of this second, quit doing less-than-excellent work. Thomas Watson, founder of IBM From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Fri Jan 26 11:19:23 2001 Return-Path: Received: from easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.26]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id LAA24773 for ; Fri, 26 Jan 2001 11:19:23 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id LAA02417 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Fri, 26 Jan 2001 11:19:23 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id LAA02386 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Fri, 26 Jan 2001 11:19:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from dallas.jhuapl.edu (dallas.jhuapl.edu [128.244.197.22]) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id LAA02081 for ; Fri, 26 Jan 2001 11:19:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON by dallas.jhuapl.edu (PMDF V5.2-32 #40039) id <0G7S00K012NMEP@dallas.jhuapl.edu> for netatalk-admins@umich.edu; Fri, 26 Jan 2001 11:18:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from TenClient (tenclient.jhuapl.edu [128.244.128.48]) by dallas.jhuapl.edu (PMDF V5.2-32 #40039) with SMTP id <0G7S00HBF2NHSD@dallas.jhuapl.edu> for netatalk-admins@umich.edu; Fri, 26 Jan 2001 11:18:58 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 11:18:53 -0500 From: Chris Stone Subject: atalkd: can't get interfaces, exitin To: netatalk-admins@umich.edu Reply-to: Chris.Stone@jhuapl.edu Message-id: <0G7S00HBH2NMSD@dallas.jhuapl.edu> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.343) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Hello, I, like a few others on the list, have gotten the following error when invoking netatalk. --snip root>./atalkd socket: Invalid argument socket: Invalid argument atalkd: can't get interfaces, exiting. --end snip I have checked the list and found comments regarding the /etc/conf.modules file. I believe I have the proper entry. Here is a snippet from my file. --snip alias net-pf-5 appletalk # alias net-pf-5 off --end snip My interface does multicasting. root>ifconfig eth0 eth0 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 00:50:E4:B0:55:3A inet addr:128.244.xxx.yy Bcast:128.244.xxx.255 Mask:255.255.255.0 UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST MTU:1500 Metric:1 RX packets:5540 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0 TX packets:351 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0 collisions:0 txqueuelen:100 Interrupt:42 Base address:0xf000 The only entry in my /etc/atalk/atalkd.conf file is. --snip eth0 --end snip I am running suse linux v6.4 for PPC on a blue and white g3. Can any one point me in the right direction? Thank You, Chris From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Fri Jan 26 11:53:28 2001 Return-Path: Received: from funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.27]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id LAA25301 for ; Fri, 26 Jan 2001 11:53:27 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id LAA28757 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Fri, 26 Jan 2001 11:53:22 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id LAA28725 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Fri, 26 Jan 2001 11:53:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from sunflare.ccs.yorku.ca (sunflare.ccs.yorku.ca [130.63.236.128]) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id LAA28630 for ; Fri, 26 Jan 2001 11:53:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from sunlight.ccs.yorku.ca (sunlight.ccs.yorku.ca [130.63.236.85]) by sunflare.ccs.yorku.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA27391 for ; Fri, 26 Jan 2001 11:53:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (rickg@localhost) by sunlight.ccs.yorku.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA01919 for ; Fri, 26 Jan 2001 11:53:20 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: sunlight.ccs.yorku.ca: rickg owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 11:53:20 -0500 (EST) From: Richard Goldberg X-X-Sender: To: Subject: print accounting Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hi all, We have just centeralized our print services to one sun machine, handeling unix mac and PC printing with LPRng, samba, and atalk. We would like to be able to do some form of print accouting on our colout laser. LPRng has this feature, so accounting unix is simple. Samba requires a log on to print, so we can account windows. But all mac printing gets piped to lprng as user root (or whatever we set the "op" flag to in the papd.conf file). If we are going to do accounting we need something better than this. We don't even need a username, the name of the mac that sent the print job would be fine. Is there anyway to do this? Thanks. ***************************** ************************************** *Rick Goldberg * * * *Graduate Student * * "I never wanted to be average, * *Computer Science Dept * * because when you are average you * *York University * * are just as far from the top as * *Toronto, Canada * * you are from the bottom." * *rickg@yorku.ca * * -Stan Cottrell- * *www.cs.yorku.ca/~rickg * * * ***************************** ************************************** "If you don't invest very much, the defeat doesn't hurt, But winning isn't very exciting." From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Fri Jan 26 12:16:29 2001 Return-Path: Received: from funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.27]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id MAA25869 for ; Fri, 26 Jan 2001 12:16:29 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id MAA21374 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Fri, 26 Jan 2001 12:16:24 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id MAA21354 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Fri, 26 Jan 2001 12:16:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from potsdam.edu (potsdam.edu [137.143.110.101]) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with SMTP id MAA21331 for ; Fri, 26 Jan 2001 12:16:22 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 6142 invoked by alias); 26 Jan 2001 17:16:39 -0000 Received: (qmail 6113 invoked by uid 0); 26 Jan 2001 17:16:36 -0000 Received: from comp10574.potsdam.edu (HELO potsdam.edu) (137.143.111.133) by potsdam.edu with SMTP; 26 Jan 2001 17:16:36 -0000 Message-ID: <3A71B139.D431AFF4@potsdam.edu> Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 12:17:45 -0500 From: Matthew Keller X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Richard Goldberg CC: netatalk-admins@umich.edu, Romeyn Prescott Subject: Re: print accounting References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit We use a program called MacAdministrator (I'll be damned if I know the URL for it, though... Romeyn, can you forward it too the list sometime? Thanks) to authenticate all of our Macs at startup. This has the added benefit of passing along the username to the print server when the job is sent. It's proprietary, but very decent. Richard Goldberg wrote: > > Hi all, > > We have just centeralized our print services to one sun machine, > handeling unix mac and PC printing with LPRng, samba, and atalk. > > We would like to be able to do some form of print accouting on our > colout laser. LPRng has this feature, so accounting unix is simple. > Samba requires a log on to print, so we can account windows. But all mac > printing gets piped to lprng as user root (or whatever we set the "op" > flag to in the papd.conf file). > > If we are going to do accounting we need something better than this. We > don't even need a username, the name of the mac that sent the print job > would be fine. > > Is there anyway to do this? > > Thanks. > > ***************************** ************************************** > *Rick Goldberg * * * > *Graduate Student * * "I never wanted to be average, * > *Computer Science Dept * * because when you are average you * > *York University * * are just as far from the top as * > *Toronto, Canada * * you are from the bottom." * > *rickg@yorku.ca * * -Stan Cottrell- * > *www.cs.yorku.ca/~rickg * * * > ***************************** ************************************** > "If you don't invest very much, the defeat doesn't hurt, > But winning isn't very exciting." -- Matthew Keller WebMaster, Interim Network Manager & Host Systems Analyst Computing & Technology Services Information Services Division State University of New York at Potsdam Website: http://mattwork.potsdam.edu/ PGP: http://mattwork.potsdam.edu/crypto/ From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Fri Jan 26 13:00:12 2001 Return-Path: Received: from easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.26]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id NAA26533 for ; Fri, 26 Jan 2001 13:00:12 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id NAA19500 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Fri, 26 Jan 2001 13:00:12 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id NAA19483 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Fri, 26 Jan 2001 13:00:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from mcfeely.interaccess.com (from.interaccess.com [207.208.131.20]) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id NAA19445 for ; Fri, 26 Jan 2001 13:00:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from [192.168.1.118] (a10.240.208.207.ded25.interaccess.com [207.208.240.10]) by mcfeely.interaccess.com (8.10.2/8.10.2) with ESMTP id f0QI08t04482 for ; Fri, 26 Jan 2001 12:00:08 -0600 (CST) User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 12:00:09 -0600 Subject: Re: print accounting From: "Bruce A. Burdick, Jr." To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <3A71B139.D431AFF4@potsdam.edu> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit MacAdministrator 2.0: http://www.hi-resolution.com/MacAdministrator2/MA2Home.html To look up any Mac software: http://www.versiontracker.com/ To look up any Linux software: http://freshmeat.net/ -B... > From: Matthew Keller > Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 12:17:45 -0500 > To: Richard Goldberg > Cc: netatalk-admins@umich.edu, Romeyn Prescott > Subject: Re: print accounting > Resent-From: netatalk-admins@umich.edu > Resent-Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 12:23:40 -0500 (EST) > > > We use a program called MacAdministrator (I'll be damned if I know the > URL for it, though... Romeyn, can you forward it too the list sometime? > Thanks) to authenticate all of our Macs at startup. This has the added > benefit of passing along the username to the print server when the job > is sent. It's proprietary, but very decent. > > Richard Goldberg wrote: >> >> Hi all, >> >> We have just centeralized our print services to one sun machine, >> handeling unix mac and PC printing with LPRng, samba, and atalk. >> >> We would like to be able to do some form of print accouting on our >> colout laser. LPRng has this feature, so accounting unix is simple. >> Samba requires a log on to print, so we can account windows. But all mac >> printing gets piped to lprng as user root (or whatever we set the "op" >> flag to in the papd.conf file). >> >> If we are going to do accounting we need something better than this. We >> don't even need a username, the name of the mac that sent the print job >> would be fine. >> >> Is there anyway to do this? >> >> Thanks. >> >> ***************************** ************************************** >> *Rick Goldberg * * * >> *Graduate Student * * "I never wanted to be average, * >> *Computer Science Dept * * because when you are average you * >> *York University * * are just as far from the top as * >> *Toronto, Canada * * you are from the bottom." * >> *rickg@yorku.ca * * -Stan Cottrell- * >> *www.cs.yorku.ca/~rickg * * * >> ***************************** ************************************** >> "If you don't invest very much, the defeat doesn't hurt, >> But winning isn't very exciting." > > > -- > > Matthew Keller > WebMaster, Interim Network Manager & > Host Systems Analyst > Computing & Technology Services > Information Services Division > State University of New York at Potsdam > > Website: http://mattwork.potsdam.edu/ > PGP: http://mattwork.potsdam.edu/crypto/ > From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Fri Jan 26 13:55:32 2001 Return-Path: Received: from funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.27]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id NAA28132 for ; Fri, 26 Jan 2001 13:55:31 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id NAA00194 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Fri, 26 Jan 2001 13:55:26 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id NAA00185 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Fri, 26 Jan 2001 13:55:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from sungod.ccs.yorku.ca (sungod.ccs.yorku.ca [130.63.236.104]) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id NAA00160 for ; Fri, 26 Jan 2001 13:55:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from sunlight.ccs.yorku.ca (sunlight.ccs.yorku.ca [130.63.236.85]) by sungod.ccs.yorku.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA26701 for ; Fri, 26 Jan 2001 13:55:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (rickg@localhost) by sunlight.ccs.yorku.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA08007 for ; Fri, 26 Jan 2001 13:55:27 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: sunlight.ccs.yorku.ca: rickg owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 13:55:27 -0500 (EST) From: Richard Goldberg X-X-Sender: To: Subject: printing problem Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hi all, My papd.conf file is set up as follows: Colour Test:\ :pr=test:\ :op=lp:\ :pd=/etc/atalk/ppd/lexmark_optrac710.ppd: When I try to print someting, I get an error on the mac saying "Document could not be printed on printer "Printername" because of a PostScript error". In the log file on my atalkd server I get: Jan 26 13:31:27 papd[9128]: getppdent: line too long Jan 26 13:31:27 papd[9128]: lp_init: lock: No such file or directory Jan 26 13:31:27 papd[9128]: lp_open failed I thought the "line too long "error was due to the lf/cr issue between mac and unix but I ran tr "\015" "\012" < orig.ppd > temp.ppd and the error still comes up. I know I can fix the other error (lp_init/lp_open) by changing the conf file to :pr=|/usr/bin/lpr -Ptest:\ are there any disadvantages to this? Are there any other ways to fix this problem? Why does this problem happen? Thanks ***************************** ************************************** *Rick Goldberg * * * *Graduate Student * * "I never wanted to be average, * *Computer Science Dept * * because when you are average you * *York University * * are just as far from the top as * *Toronto, Canada * * you are from the bottom." * *rickg@yorku.ca * * -Stan Cottrell- * *www.cs.yorku.ca/~rickg * * * ***************************** ************************************** "If you don't invest very much, the defeat doesn't hurt, But winning isn't very exciting." From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Fri Jan 26 15:32:43 2001 Return-Path: Received: from easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.26]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id PAA00871 for ; Fri, 26 Jan 2001 15:32:43 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id PAA07383 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Fri, 26 Jan 2001 15:32:43 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id PAA07312 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Fri, 26 Jan 2001 15:32:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from hatestheinternet.com (w1440524onmn.ttg.internet.look.ca [216.154.102.243]) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id PAA06919 for ; Fri, 26 Jan 2001 15:32:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from anya (jay@johanna.in.hatestheinternet.com [192.168.2.1]) by hatestheinternet.com (8.10.2/8.10.2) with SMTP id f0QKKRA26926; Fri, 26 Jan 2001 15:20:31 -0500 Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 15:18:15 -0500 From: Jason Powell To: Chris.Stone@jhuapl.edu Cc: netatalk-admins@umich.edu Subject: Re: atalkd: can't get interfaces, exitin Message-ID: <20010126151815.A21557@johanna> References: <0G7S00HBH2NMSD@dallas.jhuapl.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <0G7S00HBH2NMSD@dallas.jhuapl.edu>; from Chris.Stone@jhuapl.edu on Fri, Jan 26, 2001 at 11:18:53 -0500 X-Mailer: Balsa 1.0.0 Lines: 12 On 2001.01.26 11:18:53 -0500 Chris Stone wrote: > I am running suse linux v6.4 for PPC on a blue and white g3. Can any one > point me in the right direction? Last I heard it would only work properly on a red or green G3. Sorry, somebody had to say it :) Jason ps. Do you have the appletalk module installed? (modprobe appletalk)? I seem to recall getting that error when the module got unloaded. From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Fri Jan 26 17:55:18 2001 Return-Path: Received: from funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.27]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id RAA04164 for ; Fri, 26 Jan 2001 17:55:18 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id RAA21859 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Fri, 26 Jan 2001 17:55:12 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id RAA21844 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Fri, 26 Jan 2001 17:55:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from clever.visp-europe.psi.com (clever.visp-europe.psi.com [212.222.105.4]) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id RAA21832 for ; Fri, 26 Jan 2001 17:55:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from n34-13.berlin.snafu.de ([195.21.34.13] helo=athlet.deltaman.de) by clever.visp-europe.psi.com with esmtp (Exim 3.14 #1) id 14MHly-0006Xy-00 for netatalk-admins@umich.edu; Fri, 26 Jan 2001 23:55:14 +0100 Received: from athlet (root@athlet.deltaman.de [192.168.1.1]) by athlet.deltaman.de (8.9.3/8.9.3/SuSE Linux 8.9.3-0.1) with SMTP id XAA22526 for ; Fri, 26 Jan 2001 23:51:39 +0100 From: Carsten Neumann Reply-To: deltor@snafu.de To: netatalk-admins@umich.edu Subject: Re: printing problem Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 23:18:11 +0100 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.0.28] Content-Type: text/plain References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <01012623513902.04694@athlet> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu id RAA04164 On Fri, 26 Jan 2001, Richard Goldberg wrote: > Hi all, > > My papd.conf file is set up as follows: > Colour Test:\ > :pr=test:\ > :op=lp:\ > :pd=/etc/atalk/ppd/lexmark_optrac710.ppd: > > When I try to print someting, I get an error on the mac saying > "Document could not be printed on printer "Printername" because of a > PostScript error". In the log file on my atalkd server I get: > > Jan 26 13:31:27 papd[9128]: getppdent: line too long > Jan 26 13:31:27 papd[9128]: lp_init: lock: No such file or directory > Jan 26 13:31:27 papd[9128]: lp_open failed > > I thought the "line too long "error was due to the lf/cr issue between mac > and unix but I ran tr "\015" "\012" < orig.ppd > temp.ppd and the > error still comes up. Have you tried to setup the printer on your Mac after tr-ing your PPD file? (and renaming the temp file? ;-)) Just to re-read the ppd file. > > I know I can fix the other error (lp_init/lp_open) by changing the conf > file to > :pr=|/usr/bin/lpr -Ptest:\ > are there any disadvantages to this? I had similar problems: job was queued but no daemon started. The error messages were others: Jan 11 03:23:19 athlet papd[5733]: lp_conn_unix connect /dev/printer: Connection refused Jan 11 03:23:19 athlet papd[5733]: lp_print: lp_conn_unix: Connection refused Just piping to lpr solved this. Had no problems until now. > > Are there any other ways to fix this problem? > > Why does this problem happen? Are the spool directory and its files owned by lp? What is your printcap entry for test? > > Thanks Regards Carsten From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Fri Jan 26 18:11:14 2001 Return-Path: Received: from funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.27]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id SAA04509 for ; Fri, 26 Jan 2001 18:11:13 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id SAA02198 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Fri, 26 Jan 2001 18:11:08 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id SAA02188 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Fri, 26 Jan 2001 18:11:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from kuku.excite.com (kuku-rwcmta.excite.com [198.3.99.63]) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id SAA02176 for ; Fri, 26 Jan 2001 18:11:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from blizzard.excite.com ([199.172.148.158]) by kuku.excite.com (InterMail vM.4.01.02.39 201-229-119-122) with ESMTP id <20010126231111.KPAR12117.kuku.excite.com@blizzard.excite.com>; Fri, 26 Jan 2001 15:11:11 -0800 Message-ID: <10520349.980550671326.JavaMail.imail@blizzard.excite.com> Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 15:11:11 -0800 (PST) From: Joe Rhodes To: Milivoj Ivkovic , vgb@enschede.dhs.org, Netatalk vragen Subject: Re: Very slow login and multiple logins Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Excite Inbox X-Sender-Ip: 156.46.248.162 I've also run into this with OS 9 and an ASIP server. When the ASIP server got moved to a new IP, most of the OS 9 macs had some big problems on start up. Besides removing everything from the "servers" folder in the system folder, also make sure that you do not have the "Rember recently used servers" item checked in the Apple Menu Items Options control panel. It doesn't hurt to also throuw away your AppleShare and File Sharing prefs. One other thing I saw, some Macs were running Extensis Suitcase. The person who had set it up, had it auto load fonts that were not local, so when Extensis would load, it would try and grab these fonts off the server and therefore throw up a log in screen. The way to find out if this is the case: Try dragging the server to the trash can once it does load and see if you get an error message about it being in use. If you've opened no other apps, than it may be a font in use and it shold say so. The good new is these three things have always fixed the problem of long log in times. Cheers! -Joe Rhodes On Tue, 23 Jan 2001 12:03:22 +0100, Milivoj Ivkovic wrote: > Same problem here, with MacOS 8.6! > > Did you find the solution? > > Where does the Mac store this login information for remounts at reboot anyway? > > Hope someone has ideas... > > Milivoj > > >I am using Mac OS 9 and Netatalk-1.42b2+asun2.1.4-0 and > >are experiencing the follwing problem. > > > >I replaced a NT-server by a SuSE 7.0 box, some Mac's > >(with Mac os 8.x) can login quick and without a > >problem, other Mac's (with Mac OS 9) seem to freeze a > >few minutes and they request multiple logins by > >different loginnames. > > > >Even after canceling all logins and auto-logins they > >request a login, at last, after the Mac has started > >(after several minutes), I can login very quickly! and > >it requests only one loginname. > > > >I tried this with and without -notcp but this doesn't > >seem to help. Anyone? > > > >With friendly regards, > > > >Vincent > _______________________________________________________ Send a cool gift with your E-Card http://www.bluemountain.com/giftcenter/ From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Sat Jan 27 11:00:39 2001 Return-Path: Received: from funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.27]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id LAA18816 for ; Sat, 27 Jan 2001 11:00:38 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id LAA23549 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Sat, 27 Jan 2001 11:00:32 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id LAA23545 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Sat, 27 Jan 2001 11:00:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from mailout02.sul.t-online.com (mailout02.sul.t-online.com [194.25.134.17]) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id LAA23534 for ; Sat, 27 Jan 2001 11:00:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from fwd06.sul.t-online.com by mailout02.sul.t-online.com with smtp id 14MXmE-00064O-09; Sat, 27 Jan 2001 17:00:35 +0100 Received: from server.linau.de (320064501249-0002@[62.157.71.69]) by fmrl06.sul.t-online.com with esmtp id 14MXm2-225TOAC; Sat, 27 Jan 2001 17:00:22 +0100 Received: from [192.168.2.2] (pulsar.linau.de [192.168.2.2]) by server.linau.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA16867 for ; Sat, 27 Jan 2001 16:00:08 +0100 Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailreader: Eudora 4.3.1 Macintosh Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2001 15:19:33 +0100 To: From: Christian Schmidt Subject: Re: printing problem Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-Sender: 320064501249-0002@t-dialin.net Richard Goldberg wrote: > When I try to print someting, I get an error on the mac saying > "Document could not be printed on printer "Printername" because of a > PostScript error". In the log file on my atalkd server I get: > > Jan 26 13:31:27 papd[9128]: getppdent: line too long > Jan 26 13:31:27 papd[9128]: lp_init: lock: No such file or directory > Jan 26 13:31:27 papd[9128]: lp_open failed I always got the same message although my printer worked fine. I got rid of it by transferring the PPD file via ftp as ASCII Text onto the server. => It was a problem resulting from the different LF/CR handling. > I thought the "line too long "error was due to the lf/cr issue between mac > and unix but I ran tr "\015" "\012" < orig.ppd > temp.ppd and the > error still comes up. Try ftp-ing it from the mac to the server and choose "ASCII Text" transfer mode. > I know I can fix the other error (lp_init/lp_open) by changing the conf > file to > :pr=|/usr/bin/lpr -Ptest:\ > are there any disadvantages to this? No, I don't think so. hth, Christian -- Made with a Macintosh... ChriSchmi@t-online.de http://home.t-online.de/home/chrischmi/ From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Mon Jan 29 01:23:09 2001 Return-Path: Received: from kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.25]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id BAA04623 for ; Mon, 29 Jan 2001 01:23:09 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id BAA21365 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Mon, 29 Jan 2001 01:23:09 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id BAA21343 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Mon, 29 Jan 2001 01:23:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from SouthFayette.org (SouthFayette.org [192.204.53.100]) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id BAA21311 for ; Mon, 29 Jan 2001 01:23:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from [130.49.74.105] (dhcp74-105.pittsburgh.resnet.pitt.edu [130.49.74.105]) by SouthFayette.org (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id f0T6N5u03292 for ; Sun, 28 Jan 2001 22:23:06 -0800 User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 01:23:49 -0500 Subject: unsubscribe brooks-list@causenfx.org From: Brooks Roy To: Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit unsubscribe brooks-list@causenfx.org /* Brooks M. Roy - brooks@causenfx.org, stream@mindless.com http://brooks.causenfx.org (http://brooks.causenfx.org/resume) Phone 412.445.4644 | Pager 412.686.1764 (http://page.causenfx.org) AOL Instant Messanger: streamFX | ICQ #: 18459792 */ From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Mon Jan 29 01:28:44 2001 Return-Path: Received: from kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.25]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id BAA04709 for ; Mon, 29 Jan 2001 01:28:44 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id BAA00418 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Mon, 29 Jan 2001 01:28:44 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id BAA00397 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Mon, 29 Jan 2001 01:28:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from prusa.dkm.cz (ms2.dkm.cz [62.24.64.6]) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id BAA00346 for ; Mon, 29 Jan 2001 01:28:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from server (b36.dkm.cz [62.24.66.36]) by prusa.dkm.cz (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id HAA31995 for ; Mon, 29 Jan 2001 07:36:01 +0100 Message-ID: <001501c089bd$7c918630$0100a8c0@server> From: "AREA - Tomķček" To: Subject: please of help Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 07:34:05 +0100 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Dear, > > could you help me, how can I configure SUSE Linux 7.0 with NETATALK as > printserver for Macintoshes, please? > > p.s. I have Linux already configured as fileserver and it's work fine > > thank a lot > > Tomicek, Czech Republic From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Mon Jan 29 12:53:08 2001 Return-Path: Received: from easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.26]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id MAA18472 for ; Mon, 29 Jan 2001 12:53:08 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id MAA19436 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Mon, 29 Jan 2001 12:53:07 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id MAA19419 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Mon, 29 Jan 2001 12:53:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from ic3.ithaca.edu (ic3.ithaca.edu [147.129.1.11]) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id MAA19332 for ; Mon, 29 Jan 2001 12:53:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from meteor (meteor.ithaca.edu [147.129.30.3]) by ic3.ithaca.edu (PMDF V5.2-31 #38007) with ESMTP id <01JZHAM3GCC2004Q3S@ic3.ithaca.edu> for netatalk-admins@umich.edu; Mon, 29 Jan 2001 12:50:15 EDT Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 12:48:05 -0500 From: kbaker3 Subject: Wireless Appletalk Sender: kbaker3 To: netatalk-admins@umich.edu Message-id: <3A6A02F5@meteor> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: WebMail (Hydra) SMTP v3.61.07 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-WebMail-UserID: kbaker3 X-EXP32-SerialNo: 00002348 Anyone gotten netatalk running on a wireless network? I am using the lucent cards Wavelan/IEEE in ad-hoc mode... I want my router to act as the head end appletalk router defining networks and zones... I am guessing the broadcast is what is screwing it up... I don't even get zones... I took a working atalkd config and just changed interfaces... now it doesn't work on the wireless... here is my config eth2 -router -net 50-55 -address 50.1 -zone "Stuff" -zone "Other Stuff" (note the options might not be the exact terms I am not at the box...) Any help? From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Mon Jan 29 15:03:42 2001 Return-Path: Received: from changeofhabit.mr.itd.umich.edu (changeofhabit.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.144.17]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id PAA01591 for ; Mon, 29 Jan 2001 15:03:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.25] (may be forged)) by changeofhabit.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.2r) with ESMTP id NAA04677 for ; Mon, 29 Jan 2001 13:58:00 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id NAA11718 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Mon, 29 Jan 2001 13:54:38 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id NAA11608 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Mon, 29 Jan 2001 13:54:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from jax.cl.msu.edu (jax.cl.msu.edu [35.8.1.151]) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id NAA11235 for ; Mon, 29 Jan 2001 13:54:28 -0500 (EST) Received: by jax.cl.msu.edu (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.1) id NAA03238; Mon, 29 Jan 2001 13:53:46 -0500 (EST) From: Steve Devine Reply-To: sdevine@msu.edu Organization: Michigan State University To: kbaker3 Subject: Re: Wireless Appletalk Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 13:50:53 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.0.28] Content-Type: text/plain References: <3A6A02F5@meteor> In-Reply-To: <3A6A02F5@meteor> Cc: netatalk-admins@umich.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <01012913534607.02768@jax> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit We are using netatalk (afpd only) w / tcpwrappers on a Sun Ultra-5. The base station points at the Sun and the other machines connect via the base station On Mon, 29 Jan 2001, kbaker3 wrote: > Anyone gotten netatalk running on a wireless network? I am using the lucent > cards Wavelan/IEEE in ad-hoc mode... I want my router to act as the head end > appletalk router defining networks and zones... I am guessing the broadcast > is what is screwing it up... I don't even get zones... I took a working > atalkd config and just changed interfaces... now it doesn't work on the > wireless... here is my config > eth2 -router -net 50-55 -address 50.1 -zone "Stuff" -zone "Other Stuff" > > (note the options might not be the exact terms I am not at the box...) > > Any help? -- /////////////////////////////////// Steve Devine Information Technology Professional MSU Computer Laboratory phone: (517) 355-4500 x242 fax: (517) 353-9847 ///////////////// From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Mon Jan 29 21:09:15 2001 Return-Path: Received: from kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.25]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id VAA10076 for ; Mon, 29 Jan 2001 21:09:15 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id VAA27425 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Mon, 29 Jan 2001 21:09:15 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id VAA27405 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Mon, 29 Jan 2001 21:09:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from mailout2-0.nyroc.rr.com (mailout2-1.nyroc.rr.com [24.92.226.165]) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id VAA27334 for ; Mon, 29 Jan 2001 21:09:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail1.twcny.rr.com (mail1-1 [24.92.226.139]) by mailout2-0.nyroc.rr.com (8.11.2/RoadRunner 1.03) with ESMTP id f0U25em03179 for ; Mon, 29 Jan 2001 21:05:40 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <200101300205.f0U25em03179@mailout2-0.nyroc.rr.com> Received: from reaper.apt.null ([66.24.54.41]) by mail1.twcny.rr.com (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-59787U250000L250000S0V35) with ESMTP id com for ; Mon, 29 Jan 2001 20:59:11 -0500 Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 20:34:45 EST From: Keith Baker To: netatalk-admins@umich.edu Subject: More: Wireless... Reply-To: kbaker3@ic3.ithaca.edu X-Mailer: Spruce 0.6.5 for X11 w/smtpio 0.7.9 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit oops! forgot to specify... My server is the head end router for netatalk and it has multiple devices... My ultimate goal is a head end appletalk router defining two zones on two networks, one wired and the other wireless (Lucent cards in Ad-Hoc network mode) with -router on a single interface it works fine... assumeing that interface is wired. how would I make my box head end router (so it creates zones and what not) and have multiple interfaces... all goes to hell when I put two router lines... I understand the access points use a managed mode which is quite different... From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Tue Jan 30 07:44:16 2001 Return-Path: Received: from easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.26]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id HAA20128 for ; Tue, 30 Jan 2001 07:44:16 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id HAA21880 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Tue, 30 Jan 2001 07:44:16 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id HAA21861 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Tue, 30 Jan 2001 07:44:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from jbressm.vr.net (jbressm.vr.net [205.133.13.20]) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id HAA21825 for ; Tue, 30 Jan 2001 07:44:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (jbressm@localhost) by jbressm.vr.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA30713 for ; Tue, 30 Jan 2001 07:44:09 -0500 Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 07:44:09 -0500 (EST) From: "Joel M. Bressman" X-Sender: jbressm@jbressm.vr.net To: netatalk-admins@umich.edu Subject: subcribe Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII subcribe From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Tue Jan 30 07:54:10 2001 Return-Path: Received: from funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.27]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id HAA20257 for ; Tue, 30 Jan 2001 07:54:10 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id HAA29852 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Tue, 30 Jan 2001 07:54:03 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id HAA29846 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Tue, 30 Jan 2001 07:54:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from jbressm.vr.net (jbressm.vr.net [205.133.13.20]) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id HAA29839 for ; Tue, 30 Jan 2001 07:54:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (jbressm@localhost) by jbressm.vr.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA30769 for ; Tue, 30 Jan 2001 07:54:05 -0500 Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 07:54:05 -0500 (EST) From: "Joel M. Bressman" X-Sender: jbressm@jbressm.vr.net To: netatalk-admins@umich.edu Subject: subscribe Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII subcribe From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Tue Jan 30 09:55:46 2001 Return-Path: Received: from kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.25]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id JAA22627 for ; Tue, 30 Jan 2001 09:55:46 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id JAA25872 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Tue, 30 Jan 2001 09:55:46 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id JAA25855 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Tue, 30 Jan 2001 09:55:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from sunflare.ccs.yorku.ca (sunflare.ccs.yorku.ca [130.63.236.128]) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id JAA25818 for ; Tue, 30 Jan 2001 09:55:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from sunlight.ccs.yorku.ca (sunlight.ccs.yorku.ca [130.63.236.85]) by sunflare.ccs.yorku.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA13416; Tue, 30 Jan 2001 09:55:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (rickg@localhost) by sunlight.ccs.yorku.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA03723; Tue, 30 Jan 2001 09:55:37 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: sunlight.ccs.yorku.ca: rickg owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 09:55:36 -0500 (EST) From: Richard Goldberg X-X-Sender: To: Carsten Neumann cc: Subject: Re: printing problem In-Reply-To: <01012623513902.04694@athlet> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Fri, 26 Jan 2001, Carsten Neumann wrote: > On Fri, 26 Jan 2001, Richard Goldberg wrote: > > Hi all, > > > > My papd.conf file is set up as follows: > > Colour Test:\ > > :pr=test:\ > > :op=lp:\ > > :pd=/etc/atalk/ppd/lexmark_optrac710.ppd: > > > > When I try to print someting, I get an error on the mac saying > > "Document could not be printed on printer "Printername" because of a > > PostScript error". In the log file on my atalkd server I get: > > > > Jan 26 13:31:27 papd[9128]: getppdent: line too long > > Jan 26 13:31:27 papd[9128]: lp_init: lock: No such file or directory > > Jan 26 13:31:27 papd[9128]: lp_open failed > > > > I thought the "line too long "error was due to the lf/cr issue between mac > > and unix but I ran tr "\015" "\012" < orig.ppd > temp.ppd and the > > error still comes up. > > Have you tried to setup the printer on your Mac after tr-ing your PPD file? > (and renaming the temp file? ;-)) > Just to re-read the ppd file. Yup tried that with the same result. > > > > > I know I can fix the other error (lp_init/lp_open) by changing the conf > > file to > > :pr=|/usr/bin/lpr -Ptest:\ > > are there any disadvantages to this? > > I had similar problems: job was queued but no daemon started. > The error messages were others: > Jan 11 03:23:19 athlet papd[5733]: lp_conn_unix connect /dev/printer: Connection refused > Jan 11 03:23:19 athlet papd[5733]: lp_print: lp_conn_unix: Connection refused > Just piping to lpr solved this. > Had no problems until now. > > > > > Are there any other ways to fix this problem? > > > > Why does this problem happen? > > Are the spool directory and its files owned by lp? > What is your printcap entry for test? > Thats a good point. The dirs were owned by daemon not lp, but I changed the papd.conf file to op=daemon and restarted atalk and I still get the same errors. The printcap entry for this printer is: test|colourlp\ :server\ :rw:sh:sf\ :lp=colorlp.irus.rri.on.ca%9100\ :mx#0\ :lf=/var/spool/lpd/colour/colour-errs\ :sd=/var/spool/lpd/colour\ :af=/var/spool/lpd/colour/test-account\ :la\ :ifhp=model=colour,config=/etc/ifhp.conf\ :if=/usr/local/lib/filters/ifhp\ :of=/usr/local/lib/filters/ofhp this is actually /etc/printcap.papd (and I give the -p /etc/printcap.papd to papd when I start it). I need to do it this way since my main printcap file is in lprng format. This should still work though. If I change the pr line to pipe to lpr I don't get the lp_conn_unix and lp_print errors, but I still get the line too long error. -Rick Goldberg From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Tue Jan 30 10:05:20 2001 Return-Path: Received: from easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.26]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id KAA22773 for ; Tue, 30 Jan 2001 10:05:20 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id KAA14128 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Tue, 30 Jan 2001 10:05:20 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id KAA14104 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Tue, 30 Jan 2001 10:05:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from sunflare.ccs.yorku.ca (sunflare.ccs.yorku.ca [130.63.236.128]) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id KAA13988 for ; Tue, 30 Jan 2001 10:05:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from sunlight.ccs.yorku.ca (sunlight.ccs.yorku.ca [130.63.236.85]) by sunflare.ccs.yorku.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA14721; Tue, 30 Jan 2001 10:05:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (rickg@localhost) by sunlight.ccs.yorku.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA04133; Tue, 30 Jan 2001 10:05:09 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: sunlight.ccs.yorku.ca: rickg owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 10:05:09 -0500 (EST) From: Richard Goldberg X-X-Sender: To: Christian Schmidt cc: Subject: Re: printing problem In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Sat, 27 Jan 2001, Christian Schmidt wrote: > Richard Goldberg wrote: > > > When I try to print someting, I get an error on the mac saying > > "Document could not be printed on printer "Printername" because of a > > PostScript error". In the log file on my atalkd server I get: > > > > Jan 26 13:31:27 papd[9128]: getppdent: line too long > > Jan 26 13:31:27 papd[9128]: lp_init: lock: No such file or directory > > Jan 26 13:31:27 papd[9128]: lp_open failed > > I always got the same message although my printer worked fine. > I got rid of it by transferring the PPD file via ftp as ASCII Text > onto the server. > => It was a problem resulting from the different LF/CR handling. > > > I thought the "line too long "error was due to the lf/cr issue between mac > > and unix but I ran tr "\015" "\012" < orig.ppd > temp.ppd and the > > error still comes up. > > Try ftp-ing it from the mac to the server and choose "ASCII Text" > transfer mode. > > > I know I can fix the other error (lp_init/lp_open) by changing the conf > > file to > > :pr=|/usr/bin/lpr -Ptest:\ > > are there any disadvantages to this? > > No, I don't think so. > I tried to ftp it in ascii mode with the same result. -Rick Goldberg From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Tue Jan 30 11:48:50 2001 Return-Path: Received: from kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.25]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id LAA26436 for ; Tue, 30 Jan 2001 11:48:50 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id LAA29802 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Tue, 30 Jan 2001 11:48:50 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id LAA29784 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Tue, 30 Jan 2001 11:48:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from henry.newn.cam.ac.uk (henry.newn.cam.ac.uk [131.111.204.130]) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id LAA29698; Tue, 30 Jan 2001 11:48:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from [131.111.204.180] (helo=quartz.newn.cam.ac.uk) by henry.newn.cam.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.13 #1) id 14NWol-0004X5-00; Tue, 30 Jan 2001 09:11:15 +0000 Received: from prlw1 by quartz.newn.cam.ac.uk with local (Exim 3.13 #1) id 14NdxU-0007RQ-00; Tue, 30 Jan 2001 16:48:44 +0000 Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 16:48:44 +0000 From: Patrick Welche To: Bill Brehm Cc: netatalk-admins@umich.edu, netatalk@umich.edu Subject: Re: install probs Message-ID: <20010130164844.L12837@quartz.newn.cam.ac.uk> Reply-To: prlw1@cam.ac.uk References: <20010129201713.I5358@quartz.newn.cam.ac.uk> <200101292039.PAA03075@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2i In-Reply-To: <200101292039.PAA03075@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu>; from wwb@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu on Mon, Jan 29, 2001 at 03:39:52PM -0500 So, I must add to the bug report below: please change the address in the file "BUGS": Please use this format when reporting bugs to netatalk@umich.edu. Oh - I see: this isn't a problem, it is a bug: the distro is assuming things about whether or not I have autoconf/libtool and co installed, and where I have it installed. I believe you should be including the relevant files in the distro, not tarring up symbolic links to them... Cheers, Patrick On Mon, Jan 29, 2001 at 03:39:52PM -0500, Bill Brehm wrote: > The netatalk list is just for bug reports and version annoucements. Problems > should be sent to netatalk-admins@umich.edu. > > > From: Patrick Welche > > To: netatalk@umich.edu > > > Environment: > > netatalk-1.5pre3.tar.bz2 > > NetBSD-1.5Q/i386 > > > > Description: > > Should these be links, real files, not be there at all? > > COPYING -> /usr/share/automake/COPYING > > config.guess -> /usr/share/libtool/config.guess > > config.sub -> /usr/share/libtool/config.sub > > ltconfig -> /usr/share/libtool/ltconfig > > ltmain.sh -> /usr/share/libtool/ltmain.sh > > missing -> /usr/share/automake/missing > > mkinstalldirs -> /usr/share/automake/mkinstalldirs > > > > Leads to configure not running as it wants config.sub.. > > > > README refers to files in INSTALL/, but said directory is empty. > > > > (minor point, README mentions 5 OSes yet there are rather more > > mentioned in sys/ ) > > Repeat-By: > > Fix: > > Can't really guess... Check the distrib? From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Tue Jan 30 12:31:38 2001 Return-Path: Received: from kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.25]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id MAA27301 for ; Tue, 30 Jan 2001 12:31:38 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id MAA07224 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Tue, 30 Jan 2001 12:31:38 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id MAA07200 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Tue, 30 Jan 2001 12:31:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp.Stanford.EDU (smtp.Stanford.EDU [171.64.14.23]) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id MAA07158 for ; Tue, 30 Jan 2001 12:31:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from [171.64.20.156] (mac-kent.Stanford.EDU [171.64.20.156]) by smtp.Stanford.EDU (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id f0UHVXW10984 for ; Tue, 30 Jan 2001 09:31:34 -0800 (PST) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: reuber@reuber.pobox.stanford.edu Message-Id: Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 09:31:26 -0800 To: netatalk-admins@umich.edu From: Kent Reuber Subject: AppleTalk net size Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Without a router, what's the limit on AppleTalk nodes. 253? Kent =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Kent Reuber (reuber@stanford.edu) Phone (650)725-8092 Senior Networking Specialist Fax (650) 723-0908 Networking Systems 241 Panama St., Pine Hall Stanford University Stanford, CA 94305-4122 =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Tue Jan 30 17:20:28 2001 Return-Path: Received: from funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.27]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id RAA04830 for ; Tue, 30 Jan 2001 17:20:28 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id RAA21862 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Tue, 30 Jan 2001 17:20:23 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id RAA21847 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Tue, 30 Jan 2001 17:20:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from smart.visp-europe.psi.com (smart.visp-europe.psi.com [212.222.105.5]) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id RAA21816 for ; Tue, 30 Jan 2001 17:20:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from n241-20.berlin.snafu.de ([195.21.241.20] helo=athlet.deltaman.de) by smart.visp-europe.psi.com with esmtp (Exim 3.22 #1) id 14Nj8S-0001qb-00 for netatalk-admins@umich.edu; Tue, 30 Jan 2001 23:20:24 +0100 Received: from athlet (root@athlet.deltaman.de [192.168.1.1]) by athlet.deltaman.de (8.9.3/8.9.3/SuSE Linux 8.9.3-0.1) with SMTP id XAA28953 for ; Tue, 30 Jan 2001 23:19:52 +0100 From: Carsten Neumann Reply-To: deltor@snafu.de To: netatalk-admins@umich.edu Subject: Re: printing problem Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 23:18:01 +0100 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.0.28] Content-Type: text/plain References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <01013022464500.26981@athlet> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu id RAA04830 On Tue, 30 Jan 2001, Richard Goldberg wrote: [snip] > The printcap entry for this printer is: > test|colourlp\ > :server\ > :rw:sh:sf\ > :lp=colorlp.irus.rri.on.ca%9100\ > :mx#0\ > :lf=/var/spool/lpd/colour/colour-errs\ > :sd=/var/spool/lpd/colour\ > :af=/var/spool/lpd/colour/test-account\ > :la\ > :ifhp=model=colour,config=/etc/ifhp.conf\ > :if=/usr/local/lib/filters/ifhp\ > :of=/usr/local/lib/filters/ofhp Oops, you omitted tho colons ':' just before each backslash, and after the last entry: test|colourlp:\ :server:\ :rw:sh:sf:\ :lp=colorlp.irus.rri.on.ca%9100:\ :mx#0:\ :lf=/var/spool/lpd/colour/colour-errs:\ :sd=/var/spool/lpd/colour:\ :af=/var/spool/lpd/colour/test-account:\ :la:\ :ifhp=model=colour,config=/etc/ifhp.conf:\ :if=/usr/local/lib/filters/ifhp:\ :of=/usr/local/lib/filters/ofhp: OK, if you don't indent your printcap entry lines the colons before the escape chars (backslash) might not be necessary, but that at the end is. > > this is actually /etc/printcap.papd (and I give the -p /etc/printcap.papd > to papd when I start it). I need to do it this way since my main > printcap file is in lprng format. This should still work though. Probably lprng is more relax regarding the format of the printcap entries, but I just can guess. I'm using BSD spooling. > > If I change the pr line to pipe to lpr I don't get the lp_conn_unix and > lp_print errors, but I still get the line too long error. Does your PPD file look sane? Tr-ing my PPD file and "Auto Setup" the printer (on Mac) solved my problem. BTW: piping through lpr was the only way to get non-postscript data sent to my printer. This is a NEC Silentwriter LC 890 and has only PS level 1, laserjet, and diablo emulation. If I want to print postscript level 2, I need put the printer into laserjet modus use ghostscript, and send its output via pap directly to my printer. I didn't manage to use psf somehow to send the data. > > -Rick Goldberg Regards Carsten From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Tue Jan 30 19:04:43 2001 Return-Path: Received: from funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.27]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id TAA07515 for ; Tue, 30 Jan 2001 19:04:42 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id TAA26793 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Tue, 30 Jan 2001 19:04:37 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id TAA26780 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Tue, 30 Jan 2001 19:04:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.tiscalinet.it (mail-5.tiscalinet.it [195.130.225.151]) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id TAA26764 for ; Tue, 30 Jan 2001 19:04:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from tiscalinet.it (62.11.53.11) by mail.tiscalinet.it (5.5.015.5) id 3A51E96C005E1655 for netatalk-admins@umich.edu; Wed, 31 Jan 2001 01:03:56 +0100 Sender: stk@tiscalinet.it Message-ID: <3A7757A4.4984F97D@tiscalinet.it> Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 01:09:08 +0100 From: STK X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.18 i586) X-Accept-Language: it, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: netatalk Subject: netatalk printing problems via samba Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit hi all i'm new in netatalk and need some help. i've a linux server (redhat6.2) with samba, with some win9x client, few macos and a laserwriter printer. i've success configuring samba with win9x and macos by dave client (v2.x). the problem is to share the laserwriter trough all the net. i've installed the netatalk-1.5pre rpm (i've tried also with 1.4-asun) and follow the instruction of www.andersen.com guide for impatient and the appleprint-howt to configure the printer. all seems to work but: from the macos chooser i cant see anything: the appleshare and laserwriter icons show nothing: i mean i need to serch the server trough ip number. if i type getzones i get nothing, but with nbplkup i get the list of the machines. also aecho works. i've modified the /etc/printcap using different filters: i can see the printer in win network, but the printer is paused and don't print anything. from the macos client i can't print because an error #810, if i remember right. modifing the papd.conf i get a new printer in nbplkup but i cant see it in the chooser tab. i 've success in printing from the linux box someone can help me, please???? bye From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Wed Jan 31 01:11:35 2001 Return-Path: Received: from easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.26]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id BAA14484 for ; Wed, 31 Jan 2001 01:11:35 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id BAA11057 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Wed, 31 Jan 2001 01:11:35 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id BAA11047 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Wed, 31 Jan 2001 01:11:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from winery.garlic.com (winery-en0b.garlic.com [216.139.31.163]) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id BAA11008 for ; Wed, 31 Jan 2001 01:11:32 -0500 (EST) Received: (from johana@localhost) by winery.garlic.com (8.11.1/8.11.1) id f0V6BTF98842 for netatalk-admins@umich.edu; Tue, 30 Jan 2001 22:11:29 -0800 Received: by johana.com (UUPC/extended 1.12p); Tue, 30 Jan 2001 20:32:42 -0800 Message-ID: <3a77956a.johana@johana.com> Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 20:32:42 -0800 From: "Tom Watson" To: netatalk-admins@umich.edu Subject: Re: AppleTalk net size On the "LocalTalk" side that is the case. On the "EtherTalk" side it is a couple of groups worth (I don't have the exact number). The practical limitation (limited by physical constraints) is probably a bit less. As always... Your milage may vary... On Tue, 30 Jan 2001 12:33:25 -0500 (EST), netatalk-admins@umich.edu wrote: > Without a router, what's the limit on AppleTalk nodes. 253? > > Kent > =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= > Kent Reuber (reuber@stanford.edu) Phone (650)725-8092 > Senior Networking Specialist Fax (650) 723-0908 > Networking Systems 241 Panama St., Pine Hall > Stanford University Stanford, CA 94305-4122 > =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= > -- Tom Watson Generic short signature tsw@johana.com (I'm at home now) From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Wed Jan 31 03:05:15 2001 Return-Path: Received: from easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.26]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id DAA16171 for ; Wed, 31 Jan 2001 03:05:15 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id DAA06571 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Wed, 31 Jan 2001 03:05:15 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id DAA06555 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Wed, 31 Jan 2001 03:05:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from cmsu2.cmsu.edu (cmsu2.cmsu.edu [153.91.210.103]) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id DAA06539 for ; Wed, 31 Jan 2001 03:05:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from [153.91.210.74] ([153.91.210.74]) by cmsu2.cmsu.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA21602 for ; Wed, 31 Jan 2001 02:04:13 -0600 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: bjb8379@cmsu2.cmsu.edu (Unverified) Message-Id: Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 02:05:12 -0600 To: netatalk-admins@umich.edu From: Barry Brimer Subject: Split Horizon Routing Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Does anyone know whether or not netatalk can handle split horizon routing? Thanks, Barry Brimer From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Wed Jan 31 05:10:51 2001 Return-Path: Received: from funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.27]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id FAA18054 for ; Wed, 31 Jan 2001 05:10:51 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id FAA16270 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Wed, 31 Jan 2001 05:10:45 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id FAA16240 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Wed, 31 Jan 2001 05:10:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from green.csi.cam.ac.uk (green.csi.cam.ac.uk [131.111.8.57]) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id FAA16220 for ; Wed, 31 Jan 2001 05:10:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from ih207 (helo=localhost) by green.csi.cam.ac.uk with local-esmtp (Exim 3.16 #1) id 14NuDw-0006C5-00 for netatalk-admins@umich.edu; Wed, 31 Jan 2001 10:10:48 +0000 Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 10:10:48 +0000 (GMT) From: Ian Hitchman X-Sender: ih207@green.csi.cam.ac.uk To: netatalk-admins@umich.edu Subject: Things to export to world Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Dear Netatalk, Can I still export a read only directory to the world via a path set in AppleVolumes.system or has this moved? netatalk-1.4b2+asun2.1.4-0.i386.rpm RedHat7 # Last Updated July 8, 1999 # Use at your own risk. No guarantees express #or implied. /mnt/cdrom "CD" # Try to use MacPerl script'ICDumpSuffixMap' included in /usr/doc # to download file mapping list from your Internet Config Preference. All the best, Ian. From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Wed Jan 31 05:48:39 2001 Return-Path: Received: from funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.27]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id FAA18586 for ; Wed, 31 Jan 2001 05:48:39 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id FAA26567 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Wed, 31 Jan 2001 05:48:33 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id FAA26556 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Wed, 31 Jan 2001 05:48:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from specialreserve.net (www3.reserve.co.uk [195.216.17.3]) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id FAA26539 for ; Wed, 31 Jan 2001 05:48:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from [192.168.1.57] (195.216.17.40) by specialreserve.net with ESMTP (Eudora Internet Mail Server 2.2.2); Wed, 31 Jan 2001 10:48:35 +0000 User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 10:48:30 +0000 Subject: Re: Is Netatalk causing these kernel errors? From: Basil Hussain To: Netatalk List Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Organization: Inter-Mediates Ltd. Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Hi all, > Upon rebooting a new server I'm testing, I noticed some strange > error/warning messages from the kernel when Netatalk started up. The error > was: > > kmem_grow: Called nonatomically from int - size-32 Okay, I found this small snippet of information in a 2.4 kernel hacking guide by Paul Russell : "If you see a kmem_grow: Called nonatomically from int warning message you called a memory allocation function from interrupt context without GFP_ATOMIC. You should really fix that. Run, don't walk." (http://www.linuxhq.com/kernel/v2.4/doc/DocBook/kernel-hacking.tmpl.html) I'm not a C or a kernel hacker, so I have no idea what that means specifically. But, it sounds like it's saying that if you're seeing the error, whatever's causing it has been programmed incorrectly. I've observed that I only see this error when Netatalk is started on bootup and I don't get any errors restarting just Netatalk after bootup. So, I have a theory about who's the culprit here. Bear in mind that I know very little about how the Linux kernel works, so this may all be crazy talk... :) I suspect that the Appletalk kernel module is what's giving these errors. It makes sense to me that the module is only loaded when Netatalk is first started up. The fact that I've only seen these errors since I upgraded from a 2.2.14 to a 2.2.16 kernel also makes sense, because that will probably have given me a newer Appletalk module. So, I did the following experiment: # /etc/rc.d/init.d/atalk stop Shutting down AppleTalk services: [ OK ] # /sbin/rmmod appletalk # /sbin/insmod appletalk Using /lib/modules/2.2.16-22/misc/appletalk.o # /etc/rc.d/init.d/atalk start Starting AppleTalk services: [ OK ] I stopped Netatalk, removed and re-inserted the Appletalk kernel module and re-started Netatalk. Lo-and-behold, I got the following in my system logs: Jan 31 10:28:24 secure kernel: kmem_grow: Called nonatomically from int - size-32 Jan 31 10:28:24 secure last message repeated 2 times So, it appears it is the kernel Appletalk module! I also grepped for the version of the module, which turned out to be: Jan 31 10:28:08 secure kernel: NET4: AppleTalk 0.18 for Linux NET4.0 Does anybody know whether there are any known problems with this version of the AppleTalk module? Or perhaps where I could look or who I could contact to find out? I realise the Appletalk kernel module isn't part of Netatalk, but I don't know where to proceed to try and get this problem sorted out. I'm hoping some of you might be able to help. Regards, ------------------------------------------------ Basil Hussain (basil.hussain@specialreserve.net) From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Wed Jan 31 07:40:19 2001 Return-Path: Received: from funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.27]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id HAA20734 for ; Wed, 31 Jan 2001 07:40:19 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id HAA02310 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Wed, 31 Jan 2001 07:40:13 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id HAA02275 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Wed, 31 Jan 2001 07:40:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from trinity.magpage.com (trinity.magpage.com [216.155.0.8]) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id HAA02233 for ; Wed, 31 Jan 2001 07:40:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from [216.155.36.73] ([216.155.36.73]) by trinity.magpage.com (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id f0VCeFg07517; Wed, 31 Jan 2001 07:40:15 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: ryannm@mail.magpage.com Message-Id: Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 07:43:12 -0500 To: netatalk-admins@umich.edu From: Ryan McBeth Subject: File server quits during long transfers Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" I have a user who is running OS 8.6 on a G4. He's connecting to a machine running Red Hat Linux 6.0 and Netatalk version 1.4b2+asun2.1.1 . When he is doing large file transfers (as in 2000 or so files), the computer occasionally closes down the connection to the netatalk server. Does anyone have a fix or a reason for this? Maybe increasing a buffer size somewhere and restarting? I do recall a few weeks ago, a machine that does backups through the netatalk server occasionally went down in the middle of a long backup. Ryan __________________________________ Ryan McBeth Systems Administrator, Mobius New Media Voice: (302) 475-9880 x11 FAX: (302) 475-9894 www.mobiusnm.com __________________________________ If you want to achieve excellence, you can get there today. As of this second, quit doing less-than-excellent work. Thomas Watson, founder of IBM From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Wed Jan 31 09:28:27 2001 Return-Path: Received: from funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.27]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id JAA23218 for ; Wed, 31 Jan 2001 09:28:27 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id JAA28347 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Wed, 31 Jan 2001 09:28:21 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id JAA28330 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Wed, 31 Jan 2001 09:28:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from sunflare.ccs.yorku.ca (sunflare.ccs.yorku.ca [130.63.236.128]) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id JAA28277 for ; Wed, 31 Jan 2001 09:28:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from sunlight.ccs.yorku.ca (sunlight.ccs.yorku.ca [130.63.236.85]) by sunflare.ccs.yorku.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA19857; Wed, 31 Jan 2001 09:28:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (rickg@localhost) by sunlight.ccs.yorku.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA21080; Wed, 31 Jan 2001 09:28:22 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: sunlight.ccs.yorku.ca: rickg owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 09:28:22 -0500 (EST) From: Richard Goldberg X-X-Sender: To: Carsten Neumann cc: Subject: Re: printing problem In-Reply-To: <01013022464500.26981@athlet> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 30 Jan 2001, Carsten Neumann wrote: > On Tue, 30 Jan 2001, Richard Goldberg wrote: > [snip] > > The printcap entry for this printer is: > > test|colourlp\ > > :server\ > > :rw:sh:sf\ > > :lp=colorlp.irus.rri.on.ca%9100\ > > :mx#0\ > > :lf=/var/spool/lpd/colour/colour-errs\ > > :sd=/var/spool/lpd/colour\ > > :af=/var/spool/lpd/colour/test-account\ > > :la\ > > :ifhp=model=colour,config=/etc/ifhp.conf\ > > :if=/usr/local/lib/filters/ifhp\ > > :of=/usr/local/lib/filters/ofhp > > Oops, you omitted tho colons ':' just before each backslash, and after the last entry: > > test|colourlp:\ > :server:\ > :rw:sh:sf:\ > :lp=colorlp.irus.rri.on.ca%9100:\ > :mx#0:\ > :lf=/var/spool/lpd/colour/colour-errs:\ > :sd=/var/spool/lpd/colour:\ > :af=/var/spool/lpd/colour/test-account:\ > :la:\ > :ifhp=model=colour,config=/etc/ifhp.conf:\ > :if=/usr/local/lib/filters/ifhp:\ > :of=/usr/local/lib/filters/ofhp: > > OK, if you don't indent your printcap entry lines the colons before the escape chars (backslash) > might not be necessary, but that at the end is. I caught that about 5 minutes after I sent the message. However, I fix the printcap and still get the same problem. > > > > If I change the pr line to pipe to lpr I don't get the lp_conn_unix and > > lp_print errors, but I still get the line too long error. > > Does your PPD file look sane? > Tr-ing my PPD file and "Auto Setup" the printer (on Mac) solved my problem. The ppd files look fine. What is the max line length that you can have in a ppd file before atalk starts to complain? There are a few long line (maybe 125 chars). Thanks -Rick From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Wed Jan 31 16:22:26 2001 Return-Path: Received: from kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.25]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id QAA04044 for ; Wed, 31 Jan 2001 16:22:26 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id QAA19886 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Wed, 31 Jan 2001 16:22:26 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id QAA19861 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Wed, 31 Jan 2001 16:22:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.beckman.uiuc.edu (mail.beckman.uiuc.edu [130.126.116.197]) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id QAA19813 for ; Wed, 31 Jan 2001 16:22:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from bi-mdtaylor1 (bissdhcp-02.beckman.uiuc.edu [130.126.116.172]) by mail.beckman.uiuc.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA20921 for ; Wed, 31 Jan 2001 15:22:22 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <4.2.2.20010131151819.03a1ae40@beckman.uiuc.edu> X-Sender: mdtaylor@beckman.uiuc.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.2 Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 15:20:52 -0600 To: netatalk-admins@umich.edu From: "Marc D. Taylor" Subject: Printer Authentication Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Hello All, We were wondering if Netatalk is capable of supporting authenticated printing. Can one restrict netatalk from printing to a spooling device unless the user has mounted their personal drive or some sort of public drive? We found this feature in CAP to be very useful since we charge for printing here. Thanks in advance. Marc Taylor =============================== Marc D. Taylor Research Programmer Beckman Institute Systems Services Room 1714 Office: 217-244-7373, Fax: 217-333-8206 mdtaylor@uiuc.edu www.beckman.uiuc.edu/groups/biss From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Wed Jan 31 19:36:50 2001 Return-Path: Received: from kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.25]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id TAA08883 for ; Wed, 31 Jan 2001 19:36:50 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id TAA22903 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Wed, 31 Jan 2001 19:36:49 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id TAA22883 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Wed, 31 Jan 2001 19:36:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from maths.otago.ac.nz (emmy.otago.ac.nz [139.80.48.12]) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id TAA22640 for ; Wed, 31 Jan 2001 19:36:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from maths.otago.ac.nz (pyro.otago.ac.nz [139.80.48.2]) by maths.otago.ac.nz (8.11.0/8.9.3) with ESMTP id f110aX126739 for ; Thu, 1 Feb 2001 13:36:33 +1300 Message-ID: <3A78B11A.6147DC64@maths.otago.ac.nz> Date: Thu, 01 Feb 2001 13:43:06 +1300 From: Greg Trounson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: netatalk-admins@umich.edu Subject: Zone names with spaces Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Greetings, We are trying to set up a series of print servers that will service (among other protocols) Appletalk. The problem is that we are in a zone called Mathstat DN (notice the space character). We have not been able to find a way to tell netatalk the name of our zone. Simply having the text Mathstat DN in the configuration file doesn't work, and including it in "quote marks" also doesn't work. Is there a proper way to configure netatalk to recognise zone names that include spaces? Unfortunately we cannot simply change our zone name as we are part of a much larger institution. thank you, Greg -- -------------------------------------------------------------- Greg Trounson Programmer / Analyst Dept. of Maths and Stats, Otago University PO. Box 56, Dunedin tel:64-3-4797739 New Zealand ------------------=[ gregt@maths.otago.ac.nz ]=--------------- From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Wed Jan 31 21:00:06 2001 Return-Path: Received: from kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.25]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id VAA10453 for ; Wed, 31 Jan 2001 21:00:06 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id VAA00789 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Wed, 31 Jan 2001 21:00:05 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id VAA00775 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Wed, 31 Jan 2001 21:00:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from smart.visp-europe.psi.com (smart.visp-europe.psi.com [212.222.105.5]) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id VAA00743 for ; Wed, 31 Jan 2001 21:00:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from n163-64.berlin.snafu.de ([195.21.163.64] helo=athlet.deltaman.de) by smart.visp-europe.psi.com with esmtp (Exim 3.22 #1) id 14O92V-0005ZX-00 for netatalk-admins@umich.edu; Thu, 01 Feb 2001 02:59:59 +0100 Received: from athlet (root@athlet.deltaman.de [192.168.1.1]) by athlet.deltaman.de (8.9.3/8.9.3/SuSE Linux 8.9.3-0.1) with SMTP id CAA00980 for ; Thu, 1 Feb 2001 02:53:28 +0100 From: Carsten Neumann Reply-To: deltor@snafu.de To: netatalk-admins@umich.edu Subject: Re: printing problem Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2001 02:40:09 +0100 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.0.28] Content-Type: Multipart/Mixed; boundary="Boundary-=_nWlrBbmQBhCDarzOwKkYHIDdqSCD" References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <01020102532701.00497@athlet> --Boundary-=_nWlrBbmQBhCDarzOwKkYHIDdqSCD Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, 31 Jan 2001, Richard Goldberg wrote: [snip] >=20 > The ppd files look fine. What is the max line length that you can have > in a ppd file before atalk starts to complain? There are a few long lin= e > (maybe 125 chars). The PPD file for my NEC Silentwriter has max. 84 chars line length. What does happen if you use another PPD with shorter lines? Have you tried to break the long lines into shorter ones? >=20 > Thanks >=20 > -Rick I attached the PPD for my printer to this mail. This one doesn't lead to an error on my system. Regards =09Carsten --Boundary-=_nWlrBbmQBhCDarzOwKkYHIDdqSCD Content-Type: text/english; name="LC890.ppd" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="LC890.ppd" *PPD-Adobe: "4.0" *% Adobe Systems PostScript(R) Printer Description File *% Copyright 1987-1992 Adobe Systems Incorporated. *% All Rights Reserved. *% Permission is granted for redistribution of this file as *% long as this copyright notice is intact and the contents *% of the file is not altered in any way from its original form. *% End of Copyright statement *FormatVersion: "4.0" *FileVersion: "4.1" *PCFileName: "N890_470.PPD" *LanguageVersion: English *Product: "(Silentwriter)" *PSVersion: "(47.0) 2" *ModelName: "Silentwriter LC 890" *NickName: "Silentwriter LC 890 v47.0" *% General Information and Defaults =============== *FreeVM: "1189538" *LanguageLevel: "1" *ColorDevice: False *DefaultColorSpace: Gray *VariablePaperSize: False *FileSystem: False *Throughput: "8" *Password: "0" *ExitServer: " count 0 eq { % is the password on the stack? true }{ dup % potential password statusdict /checkpassword get exec not } ifelse { % if no password or not valid (WARNING : Cannot perform the exitserver command.) = (Password supplied is not valid.) = (Please contact the author of this software.) = flush quit } if serverdict /exitserver get exec " *End *Reset: " count 0 eq { % is the password on the stack? true }{ dup % potential password statusdict /checkpassword get exec not } ifelse { % if no password or not valid (WARNING : Cannot reset printer.) = (Password supplied is not valid.) = (Please contact the author of this software.) = flush quit } if serverdict /exitserver get exec systemdict /quit get exec (WARNING : Printer Reset Failed.) = flush " *End *DefaultResolution: 300dpi *?Resolution: " save initgraphics 0 0 moveto currentpoint matrix defaultmatrix transform 0 72 lineto currentpoint matrix defaultmatrix transform 3 -1 roll sub dup mul 3 1 roll exch sub dup mul add sqrt round cvi ( ) cvs print (dpi) = flush restore " *End *% Halftone Information =============== *ScreenFreq: "60.0" *ScreenAngle: "45.0" *DefaultScreenProc: Dot *ScreenProc Dot: " {abs exch abs 2 copy add 1 gt {1 sub dup mul exch 1 sub dup mul add 1 sub }{dup mul exch dup mul add 1 exch sub }ifelse } " *End *ScreenProc Line: "{ pop }" *ScreenProc Ellipse: "{ dup 5 mul 8 div mul exch dup mul exch add sqrt 1 exch sub }" *DefaultTransfer: Null *Transfer Null: "{ }" *Transfer Null.Inverse: "{ 1 exch sub }" *% Paper Handling =================== *% Use these entries to set paper size most of the time, unless there is *% specific reason to use PageRegion. *OpenUI *PageSize: PickOne *OrderDependency: 30 AnySetup *PageSize *DefaultPageSize: Letter *PageSize Letter: "statusdict /lettertray get exec" *PageSize Legal: "statusdict /legaltray get exec" *PageSize A4: "statusdict /a4tray get exec" *PageSize B5: "statusdict /b5tray get exec" *?PageSize: " save 4 dict dup /letter (Letter) put dup /legal (Legal) put dup /a4 (A4) put dup /b5 (B5) put statusdict /papersize get exec 3 1 roll {get} stopped {(Unknown)}if exch not { print (.Transverse) }if = flush restore " *End *CloseUI: *PageSize *% These entries will set up the frame buffer. Usually used with manual feed. *OpenUI *PageRegion: PickOne *OrderDependency: 40 AnySetup *PageRegion *DefaultPageRegion: Letter *PageRegion Letter: "letter" *PageRegion Legal: "legal" *PageRegion A4: "a4" *PageRegion B5: "b5" *CloseUI: *PageRegion *% The following entries provide information about specific paper keywords. *DefaultImageableArea: Letter *ImageableArea Letter: "18 15 593 777 " *ImageableArea Legal: "18 15 593 993 " *ImageableArea A4: "18 15 578 827 " *ImageableArea B5: "18 15 497 712 " *?ImageableArea: " save /cvp {( ) cvs print ( ) print } bind def /upperright {10000 mul floor 10000 div} bind def /lowerleft {10000 mul ceiling 10000 div} bind def newpath clippath pathbbox 4 -2 roll exch 2 {lowerleft cvp} repeat exch 2 {upperright cvp} repeat flush restore " *End *% These provide the physical dimensions of the paper (by keyword) *DefaultPaperDimension: Letter *PaperDimension Letter: "612 792" *PaperDimension Legal: "612 1008" *PaperDimension A4: "595 842" *PaperDimension B5: "516 729" *RequiresPageRegion All: True *OpenUI *InputSlot: PickOne *OrderDependency: 20 AnySetup *InputSlot *DefaultInputSlot: Lower *InputSlot Lower: "1 statusdict /setpapertray get exec" *InputSlot Upper: "2 statusdict /setpapertray get exec" *?InputSlot: " save [ (Unknown) (Lower) (Upper) ] statusdict /papertray get exec {get exec} stopped { pop pop (Unknown)} if = flush restore " *End *CloseUI: *InputSlot *OpenUI *ManualFeed: Boolean *OrderDependency: 20 AnySetup *ManualFeed *DefaultManualFeed: False *ManualFeed True: "statusdict /manualfeed true put" *ManualFeed False: "statusdict /manualfeed false put" *?ManualFeed: " save statusdict /manualfeed get {(True)}{(False)}ifelse = flush restore " *End *CloseUI: *ManualFeed *DefaultOutputOrder: Normal *% Font Information ===================== *DefaultFont: Courier *Font AvantGarde-Book: Standard "(001.002)" Standard ROM *Font AvantGarde-BookOblique: Standard "(001.001)" Standard ROM *Font AvantGarde-Demi: Standard "(001.001)" Standard ROM *Font AvantGarde-DemiOblique: Standard "(001.001)" Standard ROM *Font Bookman-Demi: Standard "(001.001)" Standard ROM *Font Bookman-DemiItalic: Standard "(001.001)" Standard ROM *Font Bookman-Light: Standard "(001.001)" Standard ROM *Font Bookman-LightItalic: Standard "(001.001)" Standard ROM *Font Courier: Standard "(001.004)" Standard ROM *Font Courier-Bold: Standard "(001.004)" Standard ROM *Font Courier-BoldOblique: Standard "(001.004)" Standard ROM *Font Courier-Oblique: Standard "(001.004)" Standard ROM *Font Helvetica: Standard "(001.001)" Standard ROM *Font Helvetica-Bold: Standard "(001.001)" Standard ROM *Font Helvetica-BoldOblique: Standard "(001.001)" Standard ROM *Font Helvetica-Narrow: Standard "(001.000)" Standard ROM *Font Helvetica-Narrow-Bold: Standard "(001.000)" Standard ROM *Font Helvetica-Narrow-BoldOblique: Standard "(001.000)" Standard ROM *Font Helvetica-Narrow-Oblique: Standard "(001.000)" Standard ROM *Font Helvetica-Oblique: Standard "(001.001)" Standard ROM *Font NewCenturySchlbk-Bold: Standard "(001.002)" Standard ROM *Font NewCenturySchlbk-BoldItalic: Standard "(001.001)" Standard ROM *Font NewCenturySchlbk-Italic: Standard "(001.001)" Standard ROM *Font NewCenturySchlbk-Roman: Standard "(001.002)" Standard ROM *Font Palatino-Bold: Standard "(001.001)" Standard ROM *Font Palatino-BoldItalic: Standard "(001.001)" Standard ROM *Font Palatino-Italic: Standard "(001.002)" Standard ROM *Font Palatino-Roman: Standard "(001.001)" Standard ROM *Font Symbol: Special "(001.001)" Special ROM *Font Times-Bold: Standard "(001.001)" Standard ROM *Font Times-BoldItalic: Standard "(001.004)" Standard ROM *Font Times-Italic: Standard "(001.001)" Standard ROM *Font Times-Roman: Standard "(001.001)" Standard ROM *Font ZapfChancery-MediumItalic: Standard "(001.002)" Standard ROM *Font ZapfDingbats: Special "(001.000)" Special ROM *?FontQuery: " save /str 100 string dup 0 (fonts/) putinterval def { count 1 gt { exch dup str 6 94 getinterval cvs (/) print print (:) print FontDirectory exch known {(Yes)}{(No)} ifelse = } {exit} ifelse }bind loop (*) = flush restore " *End *?FontList: " save FontDirectory { pop == } bind forall flush (*) = flush restore " *End *% Printer Messages (verbatim from printer): *Message: "%%[ exitserver: permanent state may be changed ]%%" *Message: "%%[ Flushing: rest of job (to end-of-file) will be ignored ]%%" *Message: "\FontName\ not found, using Courier" *% Status (format: %%[ status: ]%% ) *Status: "idle" *Status: "busy" *Status: "waiting" *Status: "printing" *Status: "initializing" *Status: "printing test page" *Status: "PrinterError: timeout, clearing printer" *Status: "PrinterError: pc life" *Status: "PrinterError: problem with LED array" *Status: "PrinterError: problem with fuser temp" *Status: "PrinterError: cover open" *Status: "PrinterError: out of toner" *Status: "PrinterError: out of paper" *Status: "PrinterError: no cartridge" *Status: "PrinterError: wrong paper size" *Status: "PrinterError: initializing" *Status: "PrinterError: printing test page" *Status: "PrinterError: paper jam" *% Input Sources (format: %%[ status: ; source: ]%% ) *Source: "serial25" *Source: "AppleTalk" *Source: "Centronics" *% Printer Error (format: %%[ PrinterError: ]%%) *PrinterError: "timeout, clearing printer" *PrinterError: "pc life" *PrinterError: "problem with LED array" *PrinterError: "problem with fuser temp" *PrinterError: "cover open" *PrinterError: "out of toner" *PrinterError: "out of paper" *PrinterError: "no cartridge" *PrinterError: "wrong paper size" *PrinterError: "initializing" *PrinterError: "printing test page" *PrinterError: "paper jam" *%DeviceAdjustMatrix: "[1 0 0 1 0 0]" *% Color Separation Information ===================== *DefaultColorSep: ProcessBlack.60lpi.300dpi/60 lpi / 300 dpi *InkName: ProcessBlack/Process Black *InkName: CustomColor/Custom Color *InkName: ProcessCyan/Process Cyan *InkName: ProcessMagenta/Process Magenta *InkName: ProcessYellow/Process Yellow *% For 60 lpi / 300 dpi =============================== *ColorSepScreenAngle ProcessBlack.60lpi.300dpi/60 lpi / 300 dpi: "45" *ColorSepScreenAngle CustomColor.60lpi.300dpi/60 lpi / 300 dpi: "45" *ColorSepScreenAngle ProcessCyan.60lpi.300dpi/60 lpi / 300 dpi: "15" *ColorSepScreenAngle ProcessMagenta.60lpi.300dpi/60 lpi / 300 dpi: "75" *ColorSepScreenAngle ProcessYellow.60lpi.300dpi/60 lpi / 300 dpi: "0" *ColorSepScreenFreq ProcessBlack.60lpi.300dpi/60 lpi / 300 dpi: "60" *ColorSepScreenFreq CustomColor.60lpi.300dpi/60 lpi / 300 dpi: "60" *ColorSepScreenFreq ProcessCyan.60lpi.300dpi/60 lpi / 300 dpi: "60" *ColorSepScreenFreq ProcessMagenta.60lpi.300dpi/60 lpi / 300 dpi: "60" *ColorSepScreenFreq ProcessYellow.60lpi.300dpi/60 lpi / 300 dpi: "60" *% For 53 lpi / 300 dpi =============================== *ColorSepScreenAngle ProcessBlack.53lpi.300dpi/53 lpi / 300 dpi: "45.0" *ColorSepScreenAngle CustomColor.53lpi.300dpi/53 lpi / 300 dpi: "45.0" *ColorSepScreenAngle ProcessCyan.53lpi.300dpi/53 lpi / 300 dpi: "71.5651" *ColorSepScreenAngle ProcessMagenta.53lpi.300dpi/53 lpi / 300 dpi: "18.4349" *ColorSepScreenAngle ProcessYellow.53lpi.300dpi/53 lpi / 300 dpi: "0.0" *ColorSepScreenFreq ProcessBlack.53lpi.300dpi/53 lpi / 300 dpi: "53.033" *ColorSepScreenFreq CustomColor.53lpi.300dpi/53 lpi / 300 dpi: "53.033" *ColorSepScreenFreq ProcessCyan.53lpi.300dpi/53 lpi / 300 dpi: "47.4342" *ColorSepScreenFreq ProcessMagenta.53lpi.300dpi/53 lpi / 300 dpi: "47.4342" *ColorSepScreenFreq ProcessYellow.53lpi.300dpi/53 lpi / 300 dpi: "50.0" *% For "Silentwriter" version 47.0 revision 2 *% Produced by "BuildPPD.ps" version 3.0 edit 58 *% Converted to meet 4.0 specification *% Last Edit Date: Sep 15 1992 *% The byte count of this file should be exactly 011185 or 011522 *% depending on the filesystem it resides in. *% end of PPD file for Silentwriter --Boundary-=_nWlrBbmQBhCDarzOwKkYHIDdqSCD-- From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Wed Jan 31 22:45:24 2001 Return-Path: Received: from kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.25]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id WAA21251 for ; Wed, 31 Jan 2001 22:45:24 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id WAA20339 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Wed, 31 Jan 2001 22:45:24 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id WAA20320 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Wed, 31 Jan 2001 22:45:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from maths.otago.ac.nz (emmy.otago.ac.nz [139.80.48.12]) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id WAA20278 for ; Wed, 31 Jan 2001 22:45:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from maths.otago.ac.nz (pyro.otago.ac.nz [139.80.48.2]) by maths.otago.ac.nz (8.11.0/8.9.3) with ESMTP id f113jK127799 for ; Thu, 1 Feb 2001 16:45:20 +1300 Message-ID: <3A78DD5B.4885426A@maths.otago.ac.nz> Date: Thu, 01 Feb 2001 16:51:55 +1300 From: Greg Trounson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: netatalk-admins@umich.edu Subject: Re: Zone names with spaces References: <3A78B11A.6147DC64@maths.otago.ac.nz> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I discovered what the problem was. Since we are using old PCs as print servers, we had Red Hat 5.2 installed on them, with a version of Netatalk that does not include the @${ATALK_ZONE} directives in the /etc/rc.d/init.d/atalk [start] section. So it wasn't the fact that there were spaces in the zone names after all. All I did was manually insert the zone information onto the end of the register scripts, and away it went! thank you, Greg Greg Trounson wrote: > > Greetings, > > We are trying to set up a series of print servers that will service > (among other protocols) Appletalk. The problem is that we are in a zone > called Mathstat DN (notice the space character). > > We have not been able to find a way to tell netatalk the name of our > zone. Simply having the text Mathstat DN in the configuration file > doesn't work, and including it in "quote marks" also doesn't work. > Is there a proper way to configure netatalk to recognise zone names that > include spaces? Unfortunately we cannot simply change our zone name as > we are part of a much larger institution. > > thank you, > Greg > > -- > -------------------------------------------------------------- > Greg Trounson Programmer / Analyst > Dept. of Maths and Stats, Otago University > PO. Box 56, Dunedin tel:64-3-4797739 > New Zealand > ------------------=[ gregt@maths.otago.ac.nz ]=--------------- -- -------------------------------------------------------------- Greg Trounson Programmer / Analyst Dept. of Maths and Stats, Otago University PO. Box 56, Dunedin tel:64-3-4797739 New Zealand ------------------=[ gregt@maths.otago.ac.nz ]=--------------- From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Wed Jan 31 22:52:42 2001 Return-Path: Received: from easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.26]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id WAA21379 for ; Wed, 31 Jan 2001 22:52:41 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id WAA06817 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Wed, 31 Jan 2001 22:52:41 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id WAA06795 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Wed, 31 Jan 2001 22:52:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from gate.tellurian.net (gate.tellurian.net [216.182.1.1]) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id WAA06759 for ; Wed, 31 Jan 2001 22:52:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from calvin.fantasia.net (unverified [216.182.24.21]) by gate.tellurian.net (Rockliffe SMTPRA 4.5.4) with ESMTP id for ; Wed, 31 Jan 2001 22:53:02 -0500 Message-Id: <5.0.2.1.2.20010131224426.00a2d370@192.168.1.1> X-Sender: eric@192.168.1.1 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0.2 Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 22:49:20 -0500 To: netatalk-admins@umich.edu From: Eric Yung Subject: Netatalk help? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed I've browsed the mailing lists and I think I've come across something not discussed before. I'm using netatalk+asun on a Linux Redhat 6.2 system under a 2.2.18 kernel. I'm trying to use netatalk as a router. When I leave atalkd.conf as nothing more than 'eth0', everything works fine - no problems what so ever. When I change it to use a second interface (so that atalkd.conf contains the following): eth0 eth1 -seed -phase 2 -net 65180-65181 -zone "something" I get something odd - the linux router can no longer see any machine not in zone 'something' - I can see all machines in the local zone 'something' but no machines on any other zones. Since this doesn't occur with only one interface defined, I presume it's simply a netatalk software problem? ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Eric Yung Obviously I've made a serious vocational error. eric@fantasia.net From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Thu Feb 1 09:30:08 2001 Return-Path: Received: from easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.26]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id JAA05445 for ; Thu, 1 Feb 2001 09:30:08 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id JAA11183 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Thu, 1 Feb 2001 09:30:08 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id JAA11163 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Thu, 1 Feb 2001 09:30:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from univrel.pr.uconn.edu (univrel.pr.uconn.edu [137.99.59.30]) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id JAA11117 for ; Thu, 1 Feb 2001 09:30:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from univrel.pr.uconn.edu (root@test.pr.uconn.edu [137.99.59.90]) by univrel.pr.uconn.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id JAA03563; Thu, 1 Feb 2001 09:30:04 -0500 Sender: root@univrel.pr.uconn.edu Message-ID: <3A797293.3DA51D14@univrel.pr.uconn.edu> Date: Thu, 01 Feb 2001 09:28:35 -0500 From: jeff X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.0-0.14mdk i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Marc D. Taylor" CC: netatalk-admins@umich.edu Subject: Re: Printer Authentication References: <4.2.2.20010131151819.03a1ae40@beckman.uiuc.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit "Marc D. Taylor" wrote: > We were wondering if Netatalk is capable of supporting authenticated > printing. Can one restrict netatalk from printing to a spooling device > unless the user has mounted their personal drive or some sort of public > drive? We found this feature in CAP to be very useful since we charge for > printing here. Yes, the current prerelease of netatalk (1.5pre3) supports authenticated printing through the UAMs (User Authentication Modules). There is a fair amount of documentation now available on this in the distribution, and there should be some in the mailing list archives as well. To get the newest release from sourceforge, go to: http://sourceforge.net/projects/netatalk/ jeff From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Thu Feb 1 18:33:35 2001 Return-Path: Received: from funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.27]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id SAA21059 for ; Thu, 1 Feb 2001 18:33:35 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id SAA17588 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Thu, 1 Feb 2001 18:33:28 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id SAA17572 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Thu, 1 Feb 2001 18:33:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.greatbasin.net (mail.greatbasin.net [207.228.35.39]) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id SAA17518 for ; Thu, 1 Feb 2001 18:33:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from [172.16.1.6] (rno-dsl0b-131.gbis.net [216.82.145.131]) by mail.greatbasin.net (8.9.3-MySQL-0.2.3b/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA20206 for ; Thu, 1 Feb 2001 15:33:31 -0800 (PST) User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Thu, 01 Feb 2001 15:33:32 -0800 Subject: CRLF fun stuff again... From: Jeremy Buchmann To: Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Hello, I have just installed netatalk 1.4b2 and cannot get it to do the CRLF->LF translation when copying files from a Mac to my Linux machine. I didn't make any changes to the makefile other than specifying the DESTDIR. Here is my AppleVolumes.default: /somewhere/import "Import" options=crlf,noadouble and here is my AppleVolumes.system: .txt TEXT UNIX .txt TEXT FOXX . TEXT UNIX (I have tried all sorts of variations of the above lines, none work) And here is my afpd.conf: "Import" -nouservol The files I copy over are text files with the .txt extension generated by Visual FoxPro (FOXX). Any ideas? --Jeremy From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Fri Feb 2 07:26:29 2001 Return-Path: Received: from funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.27]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id HAA08608 for ; Fri, 2 Feb 2001 07:26:29 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id HAA13474 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Fri, 2 Feb 2001 07:26:23 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id HAA13466 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Fri, 2 Feb 2001 07:26:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from dave-world.net (dave-world.net [204.189.73.19]) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id HAA13456 for ; Fri, 2 Feb 2001 07:26:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from heath [205.139.250.148] by dave-world.net (SMTPD32-6.05) id A693E5ED00F6; Fri, 02 Feb 2001 06:22:43 -0600 From: "Heath Henderson" To: "Netatalk Admins" , "Appletalk Netatalk group" , Subject: Mac Manager and Linux box as Group storage. Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2001 06:30:07 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Importance: Normal Has anyone set up a Linux box as the Location of Home directories/Groupstorage yet on Macintosh Manager (using OSX or even ASIP 6)? I am wanting to implement this next year, but am not really sure how to go about it yet. If anyone has suggestions/ideas/or experience, please drop me a line. Thanks Heath Henderson From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Fri Feb 2 08:23:47 2001 Return-Path: Received: from easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.26]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id IAA09629 for ; Fri, 2 Feb 2001 08:23:47 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id IAA02224 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Fri, 2 Feb 2001 08:23:47 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id IAA02204 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Fri, 2 Feb 2001 08:23:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from quartz.dis.strath.ac.uk (quartz.dis.strath.ac.uk [130.159.120.5]) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id IAA02154 for ; Fri, 2 Feb 2001 08:23:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from dis.strath.ac.uk (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by quartz.dis.strath.ac.uk (8.11.0/8.11.0/2.7) with ESMTP id f12DNgZ06427; Fri, 2 Feb 2001 13:23:43 GMT To: netatalk-admins@umich.edu cc: jeremy@wellsgaming.com Subject: Re: CRLF fun stuff again... References: Reply-To: sinclair@dis.strath.ac.uk Date: Fri, 02 Feb 2001 13:23:42 +0000 Message-ID: <6425.981120222@dis.strath.ac.uk> From: Duncan Sinclair Hi, Jeremy writes: >Hello, > I have just installed netatalk 1.4b2 and cannot get it to do the >CRLF->LF translation when copying files from a Mac to my Linux machine. > ... >The files I copy over are text files with the .txt extension generated by >Visual FoxPro (FOXX). Any ideas? This is (as far as I'm concerned) the single biggest bug in netatalk. The problem is that the cr/lf translation only happens when netatalk sees that the file is text before it is written. Unfortunately, since MacOS 8, the Finder doesn't set the file type to TEXT until after the copy is finished. Thus no cr/lf conversion. The only way to make this work properly is to re-process files when their type is changed to "TEXT". There are, of course, big gotchas over this, like the Mac might expect a simple attribute change to happen in an instant, rather than having to wait for as long as it takes to re-write the text file. Here's my proposed solution: * A second "helper" process would run along side the main afpd process, tied to it with pipes. * tasks would be handed to it like "do a cr/lf translation of this file". * it would have to take care to lock files. * tasks are done serially - to make sure nothing gets screwed. * there may be other types of thing it could be used for. This would not be a trivial amount of code. Every time I have had a few spare hours to look at this I'm been scared away by the complexity of the afpd code. I don't think I'll have sufficient time to actually write any code to do this in the forseeable future. Until now, every time I mention this problem, people tell me that I shouldn't want to do cr/lf translation, and it's an ugly hack. My reply is that it is necessary for cross platform file manipulation, and I really, actually, want it, thank you very much. I now hope that someone will email me back saying that this is fixed in the latest beta version. (please!) Cheers, Duncan. From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Fri Feb 2 19:10:17 2001 Return-Path: Received: from funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.27]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id TAA08495 for ; Fri, 2 Feb 2001 19:10:17 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id TAA02669 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Fri, 2 Feb 2001 19:10:11 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id TAA02659 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Fri, 2 Feb 2001 19:10:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from servo.sjmarketing.com (adsl-64-161-35-162.dsl.renocs.nvbell.net [64.161.35.162]) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id TAA02618 for ; Fri, 2 Feb 2001 19:10:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from [192.168.1.103] (bean [192.168.1.103]) by servo.sjmarketing.com (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id f130AIn30735 for ; Fri, 2 Feb 2001 16:10:18 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from rvisger@sjmarketing.com) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: rvisger_sjmarketing@pop2.sierraweb.com Message-Id: Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2001 16:10:03 -0800 To: netatalk-admins@umich.edu From: Bean Visger Subject: Chooser Problems... Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" howdy, trying to get the server name to show up in Chooser, webmonkeys are lazy and don't like typing in IP address... here are the specs: FreeBSD 4.1-RELEASE netatalk-1.4b2+asun2.1.3_1 content of atalkd.conf: fxp0 -phase 2 -net 0-65534 -addr 65280.103 content of afpd.conf: servo "Tom Servo" -transall when I try & restart netatalk, I get these syslog messages: Feb 2 15:51:14 servo papd[30656]: restart (1.4b2+asun2.1.3) Feb 2 15:51:14 servo papd[30656]: atp_open: Protocol not supported Feb 2 15:51:14 servo afpd[30658]: main: atp_open: Protocol not supported any ideas? it almost sounds like netatalk isn't shutting down / starting up properly... I'd really rather not reboot the box, I'm an uptime whore :) thanks, -Rebecca 'Bean' Visger System Administrator / Smith & Jones From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Fri Feb 2 19:20:03 2001 Return-Path: Received: from funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.27]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id TAA08778 for ; Fri, 2 Feb 2001 19:20:03 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id TAA12108 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Fri, 2 Feb 2001 19:19:57 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id TAA12101 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Fri, 2 Feb 2001 19:19:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from clmboh1-smtp3.columbus.rr.com (dhcp065-024-000-112.columbus.rr.com [65.24.0.112] (may be forged)) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id TAA12078 for ; Fri, 2 Feb 2001 19:19:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.iowna.com (dhcp065-024-023-038.columbus.rr.com [65.24.23.38]) by clmboh1-smtp3.columbus.rr.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id f130HJr04218; Fri, 2 Feb 2001 19:17:20 -0500 (EST) Sender: wmoran@clmboh1-smtp3.columbus.rr.com Message-ID: <3A7B4DEC.3EDAF0FF@mail.iowna.com> Date: Fri, 02 Feb 2001 19:16:44 -0500 From: Bill Moran X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (X11; U; FreeBSD 4.2-STABLE i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Bean Visger CC: netatalk-admins@umich.edu Subject: Re: Chooser Problems... References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I could be wrong, but it seems like you don't have appletalk support in your kernel. Are you sure Netatalk is running at all? Can you connect at all (with an IP addy?) A default kernel won't have appletalk support. You'll have to add: options NETATALK and recompile your kernel, then (sorry) reboot. -Bill Bean Visger wrote: > > howdy, trying to get the server name to show up in Chooser, > webmonkeys are lazy and don't like typing in IP address... > > here are the specs: > > FreeBSD 4.1-RELEASE > netatalk-1.4b2+asun2.1.3_1 > > content of atalkd.conf: > fxp0 -phase 2 -net 0-65534 -addr 65280.103 > content of afpd.conf: > servo "Tom Servo" -transall > > when I try & restart netatalk, I get these syslog messages: > > Feb 2 15:51:14 servo papd[30656]: restart (1.4b2+asun2.1.3) > Feb 2 15:51:14 servo papd[30656]: atp_open: Protocol not supported > Feb 2 15:51:14 servo afpd[30658]: main: atp_open: Protocol not supported > > any ideas? it almost sounds like netatalk isn't shutting down / > starting up properly... I'd really rather not reboot the box, I'm an > uptime whore :) > > thanks, > -Rebecca 'Bean' Visger > System Administrator / Smith & Jones From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Fri Feb 2 19:25:34 2001 Return-Path: Received: from kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.25]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id TAA08887 for ; Fri, 2 Feb 2001 19:25:33 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id TAA11993 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Fri, 2 Feb 2001 19:25:33 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id TAA11974 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Fri, 2 Feb 2001 19:25:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from servo.sjmarketing.com (adsl-64-161-35-162.dsl.renocs.nvbell.net [64.161.35.162]) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id TAA11917 for ; Fri, 2 Feb 2001 19:25:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from [192.168.1.103] (bean [192.168.1.103]) by servo.sjmarketing.com (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id f130PXn30780; Fri, 2 Feb 2001 16:25:34 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from rvisger@sjmarketing.com) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: rvisger_sjmarketing@pop2.sierraweb.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3A7B4DEC.3EDAF0FF@mail.iowna.com> References: <3A7B4DEC.3EDAF0FF@mail.iowna.com> Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2001 16:25:22 -0800 To: Bill Moran From: Bean Visger Subject: Re: Chooser Problems... Cc: netatalk-admins@umich.edu Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" ah yes, sorry I didn't include that as well, it is running, and I am able to connect via IP address from the chooser, it just won't show in the list. thx :) -Bean >I could be wrong, but it seems like you don't have appletalk support in >your kernel. Are you sure Netatalk is running at all? Can you connect at >all (with an IP addy?) >A default kernel won't have appletalk support. You'll have to add: >options NETATALK >and recompile your kernel, then (sorry) reboot. > >-Bill > >Bean Visger wrote: >> >> howdy, trying to get the server name to show up in Chooser, >> webmonkeys are lazy and don't like typing in IP address... >> >> here are the specs: >> >> FreeBSD 4.1-RELEASE >> netatalk-1.4b2+asun2.1.3_1 >> >> content of atalkd.conf: >> fxp0 -phase 2 -net 0-65534 -addr 65280.103 >> content of afpd.conf: >> servo "Tom Servo" -transall >> >> when I try & restart netatalk, I get these syslog messages: >> >> Feb 2 15:51:14 servo papd[30656]: restart (1.4b2+asun2.1.3) >> Feb 2 15:51:14 servo papd[30656]: atp_open: Protocol not supported >> Feb 2 15:51:14 servo afpd[30658]: main: atp_open: Protocol not supported >> >> any ideas? it almost sounds like netatalk isn't shutting down / >> starting up properly... I'd really rather not reboot the box, I'm an >> uptime whore :) >> > > thanks, > > -Rebecca 'Bean' Visger > > System Administrator / Smith & Jones From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Fri Feb 2 23:36:36 2001 Return-Path: Received: from funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.27]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id XAA13904 for ; Fri, 2 Feb 2001 23:36:36 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id XAA28359 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Fri, 2 Feb 2001 23:36:30 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id XAA28348 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Fri, 2 Feb 2001 23:36:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from smart.visp-europe.psi.com (smart.visp-europe.psi.com [212.222.105.5]) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id XAA28328 for ; Fri, 2 Feb 2001 23:36:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from n243-25.berlin.snafu.de ([195.21.243.25] helo=athlet.deltaman.de) by smart.visp-europe.psi.com with esmtp (Exim 3.22 #1) id 14OuR7-0003Fv-00 for netatalk-admins@umich.edu; Sat, 03 Feb 2001 05:36:33 +0100 Received: from athlet (root@athlet.deltaman.de [192.168.1.1]) by athlet.deltaman.de (8.9.3/8.9.3/SuSE Linux 8.9.3-0.1) with SMTP id FAA07496 for ; Sat, 3 Feb 2001 05:35:12 +0100 From: Carsten Neumann Reply-To: deltor@snafu.de To: netatalk-admins@umich.edu Subject: Re: Chooser Problems... Date: Sat, 3 Feb 2001 05:22:27 +0100 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.0.28] Content-Type: text/plain References: <3A7B4DEC.3EDAF0FF@mail.iowna.com> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <01020305335501.29407@athlet> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu id XAA13904 On Sat, 03 Feb 2001, Bean Visger wrote: > ah yes, sorry I didn't include that as well, it is running, and I am > able to connect via IP address from the chooser, it just won't show > in the list. thx :) > > -Bean > > >I could be wrong, but it seems like you don't have appletalk support in > >your kernel. Are you sure Netatalk is running at all? Can you connect at > >all (with an IP addy?) > >A default kernel won't have appletalk support. You'll have to add: > >options NETATALK > >and recompile your kernel, then (sorry) reboot. > > > >-Bill > > > >Bean Visger wrote: > >> > >> howdy, trying to get the server name to show up in Chooser, > >> webmonkeys are lazy and don't like typing in IP address... > >> > >> here are the specs: > >> > >> FreeBSD 4.1-RELEASE > >> netatalk-1.4b2+asun2.1.3_1 > >> > >> content of atalkd.conf: > >> fxp0 -phase 2 -net 0-65534 -addr 65280.103 > >> content of afpd.conf: > >> servo "Tom Servo" -transall > >> > >> when I try & restart netatalk, I get these syslog messages: > >> > >> Feb 2 15:51:14 servo papd[30656]: restart (1.4b2+asun2.1.3) > >> Feb 2 15:51:14 servo papd[30656]: atp_open: Protocol not supported > >> Feb 2 15:51:14 servo afpd[30658]: main: atp_open: Protocol not supported > >> > >> any ideas? it almost sounds like netatalk isn't shutting down / > >> starting up properly... I'd really rather not reboot the box, I'm an > >> uptime whore :) > >> > > > thanks, > > > -Rebecca 'Bean' Visger > > > System Administrator / Smith & Jones I thought they would be necessary in any case to make appletalk work, but do you have the appletalk entries in your /etc/services: # # make apple talk more friendly # rtmp 1/ddp # Routing Table Maintenance Protocol nbp 2/ddp # Name Binding Protocol echo 4/ddp # AppleTalk Echo Protocol zip 6/ddp # Zone Information Protocol # # Appletalk # afpovertcp 548/tcp # AFP over TCP afpovertcp 548/udp # AFP over UCP ? Just an idea, since your server doesn't show up in the chooser list. Regards Carsten From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Sat Feb 3 01:21:55 2001 Return-Path: Received: from kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.25]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id BAA16060 for ; Sat, 3 Feb 2001 01:21:55 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id BAA01266 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Sat, 3 Feb 2001 01:21:54 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id BAA01228 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Sat, 3 Feb 2001 01:21:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from icompute.com ([209.46.8.66]) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id BAA01139 for ; Sat, 3 Feb 2001 01:21:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from [209.46.8.69] (209.46.8.69) by icompute.com with ESMTP (Eudora Internet Mail Server 2.2.2); Sat, 3 Feb 2001 00:21:49 -0600 X-Sender: donlee_in@icompute.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <6425.981120222@dis.strath.ac.uk> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 3 Feb 2001 00:16:26 -0600 To: netatalk-admins@umich.edu From: Donald Lee Subject: Re: CRLF fun stuff again... Cc: jeremy@wellsgaming.com, sinclair@dis.strath.ac.uk At 7:23 AM -0600 2/2/01, Duncan Sinclair wrote: >Hi, > >Jeremy writes: >>Hello, >> I have just installed netatalk 1.4b2 and cannot get it to do the >>CRLF->LF translation when copying files from a Mac to my Linux machine. > >> ... > >>The files I copy over are text files with the .txt extension generated by >>Visual FoxPro (FOXX). Any ideas? > >This is (as far as I'm concerned) the single biggest bug in netatalk. > >The problem is that the cr/lf translation only happens when netatalk >sees that the file is text before it is written. Unfortunately, since >MacOS 8, the Finder doesn't set the file type to TEXT until after the >copy is finished. Thus no cr/lf conversion. > > etc... There has been a lot of discussion of the CR/LF translations on this list. If I may add my two cents, I think it's a bad idea for the filesystem to effectively blindly fondle and convert the data. There are plenty of tools out there, like bbedit, that handle text files regardless of how their line endings are done. The downside of a problem with the CR/LF "feature" is irretrievably corrupted data. What you get for this is arguably a minor "convenience". I think it's a bad trade. I keep it turned off, and recommend this to all who ask. -dgl- From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Sat Feb 3 01:44:36 2001 Return-Path: Received: from kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.25]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id BAA16353 for ; Sat, 3 Feb 2001 01:44:36 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id BAA29380 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Sat, 3 Feb 2001 01:44:35 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id BAA29356 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Sat, 3 Feb 2001 01:44:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from chatlink.com (chatlink.com [63.172.78.61]) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id BAA29305 for ; Sat, 3 Feb 2001 01:44:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from swordblayde (modem-01-143.gp-dialup.net [63.172.50.143]) by chatlink.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id WAA18662; Fri, 2 Feb 2001 22:44:24 -0800 Message-ID: <005001c08dac$5a7544e0$0202a8c0@swordblayde> From: "Daniel Baker" To: "Heath Henderson" Cc: References: Subject: Re: Mac Manager and Linux box as Group storage. Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2001 22:41:33 -0800 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 I set up something that sounds kinda like what you are decribing at work. We have an internal FTP server that clients transfer files to via a DSL line. Once the files are there, the CSR's are set up on the same group and can read all the clients individual jailed ftp accounts. Another instance on the same host is a share called public which only admin has access too for sharing driver installers and updaters amoungst the Engineers. Sound like what you were referring too? --- Sincerly: Daniel Baker. Any Science or Profession that ceases to question itself becomes Religion. (C-DB) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Heath Henderson" To: "Netatalk Admins" ; "Appletalk Netatalk group" ; Sent: Friday, February 02, 2001 4:30 AM Subject: Mac Manager and Linux box as Group storage. > Has anyone set up a Linux box as the Location of Home > directories/Groupstorage yet on Macintosh Manager (using OSX or even ASIP > 6)? I am wanting to implement this next year, but am not really sure how to > go about it yet. > > If anyone has suggestions/ideas/or experience, please drop me a line. > > Thanks > > Heath Henderson From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Sat Feb 3 07:08:33 2001 Return-Path: Received: from funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.27]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id HAA21809 for ; Sat, 3 Feb 2001 07:08:33 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id HAA24735 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Sat, 3 Feb 2001 07:08:26 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id HAA24724 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Sat, 3 Feb 2001 07:08:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from quartz.dis.strath.ac.uk (quartz.dis.strath.ac.uk [130.159.120.5]) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id HAA24698 for ; Sat, 3 Feb 2001 07:08:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from dis.strath.ac.uk (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by quartz.dis.strath.ac.uk (8.11.0/8.11.0/2.7) with ESMTP id f13C8SZ12812; Sat, 3 Feb 2001 12:08:29 GMT To: netatalk-admins@umich.edu cc: Donald Lee Subject: Re: CRLF fun stuff again... In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 03 Feb 2001 00:16:26 CST." Date: Sat, 03 Feb 2001 12:08:28 +0000 Message-ID: <12810.981202108@dis.strath.ac.uk> From: Duncan Sinclair Hi Folks, I wrote: >Until now, every time I mention this problem, people tell me that I >shouldn't want to do cr/lf translation, and it's an ugly hack. My reply >is that it is necessary for cross platform file manipulation, and I >really, actually, want it, thank you very much. Donald Lee writes: >If I may add my two cents, I think it's a bad idea for the filesystem to >effectively blindly fondle and convert the data. There are plenty of tools >out there, like bbedit, that handle text files regardless of how their >line endings are done. > >The downside of a problem with the CR/LF "feature" is irretrievably corrupted >data. What you get for this is arguably a minor "convenience". > >I think it's a bad trade. > >I keep it turned off, and recommend this to all who ask. This is the sort of thing I mean. I know that BBEdit handles Unix files transparently. That's not what I'm interested in. I want to edit Mac-produced files on the Unix end. Vi doesn't "do" Mac-style line endings. Nor does any other unix utility. Nor should they. Typical example... I have users that edit HTML pages using their favourite HTML editor and then copy their pages to my server. I later may want to edit their pages from my Sun. I first have to do the cr/lf conversion myself. I wouldn't have to do this if the cr/lf translation worked properly. If the cr/lf translation is done right there is _no_ corruption of data, unless you try to do silly thing like edit binary files with a text editor - a guarenteed way of corrupting data without any help from the filesystem. [ A correctly configured netatalk setup only does cr/lf translation on Mac-produced TEXT files, and Unix-created files that by their extension are recognised as text by netatalk. You should not configure netatalk to assume that unix files are text when it doesn't have a recognised extension. ] If you don't want to use the cr/lf translation, then don't, but while the feature exists in netatalk, it would be nice if it actually worked. Cheers, Duncan. From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Sat Feb 3 07:50:37 2001 Return-Path: Received: from kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.25]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id HAA22351 for ; Sat, 3 Feb 2001 07:50:36 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id HAA19853 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Sat, 3 Feb 2001 07:50:36 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id HAA19826 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Sat, 3 Feb 2001 07:50:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from c22234-e.scllg1.pa.home.com (c22234-e.scllg1.pa.home.com [24.7.220.49]) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with SMTP id HAA19773 for ; Sat, 3 Feb 2001 07:50:35 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 11646 invoked from network); 3 Feb 2001 12:50:33 -0000 Received: from c22234-d.scllg1.pa.home.com (HELO ?10.0.1.51?) (24.7.220.47) by c22234-e.scllg1.pa.home.com with SMTP; 3 Feb 2001 12:50:33 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: schinder@mors.gsfc.nasa.gov (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <12810.981202108@dis.strath.ac.uk> References: <12810.981202108@dis.strath.ac.uk> Date: Sat, 3 Feb 2001 07:50:27 -0500 To: Duncan Sinclair , netatalk-admins@umich.edu From: Paul Schinder Subject: Re: CRLF fun stuff again... Cc: Donald Lee Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" At 12:08 PM +0000 2/3/01, Duncan Sinclair wrote: >This is the sort of thing I mean. I know that BBEdit handles Unix >files transparently. That's not what I'm interested in. I want to >edit Mac-produced files on the Unix end. Vi doesn't "do" Mac-style >line endings. Nor does any other unix utility. Nor should they. GNU emacs has no problems reading files with Mac end-of-line. 20.7 even tells you what the line endings are (like Alpha, for example) and as I just verified, uses Mac EOL if you add lines to a Mac file. xemacs, on the other hand, can't read Mac files. -- -- Paul J. Schinder NASA Goddard Space Flight Center Code 693 schinder@leprss.gsfc.nasa.gov From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Sat Feb 3 12:14:16 2001 Return-Path: Received: from kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.25]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id MAA26368 for ; Sat, 3 Feb 2001 12:14:16 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id MAA25657 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Sat, 3 Feb 2001 12:14:16 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id MAA25632 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Sat, 3 Feb 2001 12:14:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from barney.azapple.com (cpe-24-221-62-42.az.sprintbbd.net [24.221.62.42]) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id MAA25492 for ; Sat, 3 Feb 2001 12:14:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from fred (fred.azapple.com [192.168.2.1]) by barney.azapple.com (8.11.0/8.11.0) with SMTP id f13HL4727410 for ; Sat, 3 Feb 2001 10:21:06 -0700 From: "Craig White" To: Subject: printer sharing Date: Sat, 3 Feb 2001 10:14:07 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <12810.981202108@dis.strath.ac.uk> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Perhaps someone can give me a quick fix on this. When I print from a Macintosh on the network, the jobs don't print and I get the following in my syslog... Feb 2 22:29:03 barney papd[857]: child 22961 for "felix2" from 65499.251 Feb 2 22:29:13 barney papd[22961]: lp_conn_unix connect /dev/printer: Connection refused Feb 2 22:29:13 barney papd[22961]: lp_print: lp_conn_unix: Connection refused Feb 2 22:29:13 barney papd[857]: child 22961 done if I restart the lpd daemon, I get the message on screen permissions of XXXXXXXbarney.azapple.com are 640 not 600 owner/group of XXXXXXXbarney.azapple.com are 0/0 not 4/7 changing ownership of XXXXXXXbarney.azapple.com to 4/7 and then the job will print. my papd.conf... felix2:\ :pr=lp:\ :op=lp:\ :pd=/usr/lib/atalk/HPLJ_4M.PPD: my /etc/printcap... # # This printcap is being created with printtool v.3.41 # Any changes made here manually will be lost if printtool # is run later on. # The presence of this header means that no printcap # existed when printtool was run. # ##PRINTTOOL3## LOCAL POSTSCRIPT 600x600 letter {} PostScript Default {} lp|Felix2:sd=/var/spool/lpd/lp:sh:mx#0:if=/var/spool/lpd/lp/filter:lp=/dev/l p0: I've tried different op= and even without the op statement at all but it doesn't seem to matter. How do I get print jobs to user.group 4.7 and permissions to 600 and not 640 or simply, how can I print jobs that are acceptable to lpd? ----:----|----:----|----:----|----:----|----:----|----:----| - Craig White - PO Box 8634 - Scottsdale, Arizona - 85252 - e-mail address ................ - CraigWhite@AzApple.com - world wide web address ........ - http://www.AzApple.com - e-mail my pager address ....... - 6023779752@airtouch.net - cellular phone ................ - (602) 377-9752 - voice/facsimile ............... - (480) 945-8445 ----:----|----:----|----:----|----:----|----:----|----:----| From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Sat Feb 3 14:53:13 2001 Return-Path: Received: from funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.27]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id OAA29955 for ; Sat, 3 Feb 2001 14:53:12 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id OAA27956 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Sat, 3 Feb 2001 14:53:06 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id OAA27953 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Sat, 3 Feb 2001 14:53:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from quartz.dis.strath.ac.uk (quartz.dis.strath.ac.uk [130.159.120.5]) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id OAA27931 for ; Sat, 3 Feb 2001 14:53:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from dis.strath.ac.uk (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by quartz.dis.strath.ac.uk (8.11.0/8.11.0/2.7) with ESMTP id f13Jr7Z14294; Sat, 3 Feb 2001 19:53:08 GMT To: netatalk-admins@umich.edu Cc: Marc Miller Subject: Re: CRLF fun stuff again... In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 03 Feb 2001 11:38:56 PST." Date: Sat, 03 Feb 2001 19:53:07 +0000 Message-ID: <14292.981229987@dis.strath.ac.uk> From: Duncan Sinclair Marc Miller writes: >Then perhaps that needs to be added to the other Unix text >editors. That's a more comprehensive solution than editing netatalk >anyway. It would allow people to take files produced by *any* *version* >of netatalk regardless of what the cr/lf setting was set to on that >machine. My $0.02. > OK, so emacs, the Great Satan of Text Editors, (cf. www.theregister.co.uk) can do mac line-ends. That's because it has too many features, including the ability to run on Unix and Mac and Windows, so it has to be able to figure out different line endings. But how easy would it be to get, say, Sun to change thier version of vi to do Mac line-endings? And grep, more, less, wc, awk, sed, and all the other standard unix utilities? Rather than change all these programs, wouldn't fixing netatalk be a good idea? Cheers, Duncan. From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Sat Feb 3 16:23:32 2001 Return-Path: Received: from kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.25]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id QAA01551 for ; Sat, 3 Feb 2001 16:23:32 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id QAA28004 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Sat, 3 Feb 2001 16:23:32 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id QAA27987 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Sat, 3 Feb 2001 16:23:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from smart.visp-europe.psi.com (smart.visp-europe.psi.com [212.222.105.5]) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id QAA27944 for ; Sat, 3 Feb 2001 16:23:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from n241-18.berlin.snafu.de ([195.21.241.18] helo=athlet.deltaman.de) by smart.visp-europe.psi.com with esmtp (Exim 3.22 #1) id 14PA9Y-0007io-00 for netatalk-admins@umich.edu; Sat, 03 Feb 2001 22:23:29 +0100 Received: from athlet (root@athlet.deltaman.de [192.168.1.1]) by athlet.deltaman.de (8.9.3/8.9.3/SuSE Linux 8.9.3-0.1) with SMTP id WAA09743 for ; Sat, 3 Feb 2001 22:20:33 +0100 From: Carsten Neumann Reply-To: deltor@snafu.de To: netatalk-admins@umich.edu Subject: Re: printer sharing Date: Sat, 3 Feb 2001 22:10:09 +0100 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.0.28] Content-Type: text/plain References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <01020322203200.09529@athlet> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu id QAA01551 On Sat, 03 Feb 2001, Craig White wrote: > Perhaps someone can give me a quick fix on this. > > When I print from a Macintosh on the network, the jobs don't print and I get > the following in my syslog... > > Feb 2 22:29:03 barney papd[857]: child 22961 for "felix2" from 65499.251 > Feb 2 22:29:13 barney papd[22961]: lp_conn_unix connect /dev/printer: > Connection refused > Feb 2 22:29:13 barney papd[22961]: lp_print: lp_conn_unix: Connection > refused > Feb 2 22:29:13 barney papd[857]: child 22961 done > > if I restart the lpd daemon, I get the message on screen > > permissions of XXXXXXXbarney.azapple.com are 640 not 600 > owner/group of XXXXXXXbarney.azapple.com are 0/0 not 4/7 > changing ownership of XXXXXXXbarney.azapple.com to 4/7 > > and then the job will print. > > my papd.conf... > > felix2:\ > :pr=lp:\ > :op=lp:\ > :pd=/usr/lib/atalk/HPLJ_4M.PPD: > > my /etc/printcap... > # > # This printcap is being created with printtool v.3.41 > # Any changes made here manually will be lost if printtool > # is run later on. > # The presence of this header means that no printcap > # existed when printtool was run. > # > ##PRINTTOOL3## LOCAL POSTSCRIPT 600x600 letter {} PostScript Default {} > lp|Felix2:sd=/var/spool/lpd/lp:sh:mx#0:if=/var/spool/lpd/lp/filter:lp=/dev/l > p0: > > I've tried different op= and even without the op statement at all but it > doesn't seem to matter. How do I get print jobs to user.group 4.7 and > permissions to 600 and not 640 or simply, how can I print jobs that are > acceptable to lpd? Change the entry in your papd.conf as follows: felix2:\ :pr=|/usr/bin/lpr -Plp:\ :op=lp:\ :pd=/usr/lib/atalk/HPLJ_4M.PPD: That did it for me - I had very similar problems. Regards Carsten From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Sat Feb 3 20:17:06 2001 Return-Path: Received: from easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.26]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id UAA05471 for ; Sat, 3 Feb 2001 20:17:06 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id UAA05417 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Sat, 3 Feb 2001 20:17:06 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id UAA05402 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Sat, 3 Feb 2001 20:17:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from icompute.com ([209.46.8.66]) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id UAA05373 for ; Sat, 3 Feb 2001 20:17:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from [209.46.8.69] (209.46.8.69) by icompute.com with ESMTP (Eudora Internet Mail Server 2.2.2); Sat, 3 Feb 2001 19:17:02 -0600 X-Sender: donlee_in@icompute.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <14292.981229987@dis.strath.ac.uk> References: Your message of "Sat, 03 Feb 2001 11:38:56 PST." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 3 Feb 2001 19:17:00 -0600 To: Duncan Sinclair , netatalk-admins@umich.edu From: Donald Lee Subject: Re: CRLF fun stuff again... Cc: Marc Miller I'm the first to admit that it is really nice for the filesystem to come to you, rather than to make the users cope with the varying format of text files. I also am not saying that efforts to "fix" netatalk are not worthwhile. I'm saying that given the varying behavior of the MacOS, utilities, applications, etc. It turns out to be a hard problem, and there are cases where you end up thinking files are TEXT when they're not (like Quark). For my money, it's not worth the risk. I don't want people to think that the feature has a simple solution that will be complete and reliable because they will likely get bitten. The archives of this list have a *lot* of discussion on this topic. -dgl- At 1:53 PM -0600 2/3/01, Duncan Sinclair wrote: >Marc Miller writes: >>Then perhaps that needs to be added to the other Unix text >>editors. That's a more comprehensive solution than editing netatalk >>anyway. It would allow people to take files produced by *any* *version* >>of netatalk regardless of what the cr/lf setting was set to on that >>machine. My $0.02. >> > >OK, so emacs, the Great Satan of Text Editors, (cf. www.theregister.co.uk) >can do mac line-ends. That's because it has too many features, including >the ability to run on Unix and Mac and Windows, so it has to be able to >figure out different line endings. > >But how easy would it be to get, say, Sun to change thier version of >vi to do Mac line-endings? And grep, more, less, wc, awk, sed, and >all the other standard unix utilities? > >Rather than change all these programs, wouldn't fixing netatalk be >a good idea? > >Cheers, > > >Duncan. From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Sun Feb 4 01:13:11 2001 Return-Path: Received: from funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.27]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id BAA09918 for ; Sun, 4 Feb 2001 01:13:11 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id BAA20083 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Sun, 4 Feb 2001 01:13:04 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id BAA20074 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Sun, 4 Feb 2001 01:13:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from wheelo.gsfc.nasa.gov (wheelo.gsfc.nasa.gov [128.183.254.141]) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id BAA20053 for ; Sun, 4 Feb 2001 01:13:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from leebert.gsfc.nasa.gov (leebert.gsfc.nasa.gov [128.183.33.38]) by wheelo.gsfc.nasa.gov (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA21559 for ; Sun, 4 Feb 2001 01:13:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by leebert.gsfc.nasa.gov (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA28318 for ; Sun, 4 Feb 2001 01:12:29 -0500 (EST) Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2001 01:12:29 -0500 (EST) From: Lee Sheridan Sender: lsherida@leebert.gsfc.nasa.gov To: netatalk-admins@umich.edu Subject: Re: CRLF fun stuff again... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Sat, 3 Feb 2001, Paul Schinder wrote: > GNU emacs has no problems reading files with Mac end-of-line. 20.7 > even tells you what the line endings are (like Alpha, for example) > and as I just verified, uses Mac EOL if you add lines to a Mac file. And *EVERYBODY* uses GNU emacs, right? :) -- __________________________________________________________________________ Lee Sheridan 301.286.5898 voice NASA / Goddard Space Flight Center lsherida@nccs.gsfc.nasa.gov Computer Sciences Corporation Building 28, Room S241 Code 931 From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Sun Feb 4 05:12:33 2001 Return-Path: Received: from funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.27]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id FAA13179 for ; Sun, 4 Feb 2001 05:12:33 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id FAA12908 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Sun, 4 Feb 2001 05:12:27 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id FAA12898 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Sun, 4 Feb 2001 05:12:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from winery.garlic.com (winery-en0b.garlic.com [216.139.31.163]) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id FAA12875 for ; Sun, 4 Feb 2001 05:12:25 -0500 (EST) Received: (from johana@localhost) by winery.garlic.com (8.11.1/8.11.1) id f14ACUN57794 for netatalk-admins@umich.edu; Sun, 4 Feb 2001 02:12:30 -0800 Received: by johana.com (UUPC/extended 1.12p); Sun, 04 Feb 2001 00:57:54 -0800 Message-ID: <3a7d1992.johana@johana.com> Date: Sun, 04 Feb 2001 00:57:54 -0800 From: "Tom Watson" To: netatalk-admins@umich.edu Subject: Re: CRLF fun stuff again... On Sat, 3 Feb 2001 14:54:13 -0500 (EST), Duncan Sinclair writes: > > Marc Miller writes: <<>> > <<>> > > > Duncan. > Geez folks, how about making a "simple" script like: #!/bin/sh tr "\015\012" "\012\015" $1 $$converted rm $1 mv $$converted $1 And put it somewhere nice (/usr/local/bin) and give it a nice name. It will convert to & from mac endings (, \015) to Unix/Linux/HP-UX endings (, \012). If your favorite editor doesn't see the line endings, convert it, and then use it, then convert it back. This isn't rocket science. Anyway, HTML could care less about line endings anyway. Be thankful you don't have Windoze, they use TWO characters as line endings. Further rant deleted by author. It has been said all before. No use wasting bandwidth. (*SIGH*) -- Tom Watson Generic short signature tsw@johana.com (I'm at home now) From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Sun Feb 4 05:12:33 2001 Return-Path: Received: from funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.27]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id FAA13181 for ; Sun, 4 Feb 2001 05:12:33 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id FAA12910 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Sun, 4 Feb 2001 05:12:27 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id FAA12900 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Sun, 4 Feb 2001 05:12:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from winery.garlic.com (winery-en0b.garlic.com [216.139.31.163]) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id FAA12877 for ; Sun, 4 Feb 2001 05:12:25 -0500 (EST) Received: (from johana@localhost) by winery.garlic.com (8.11.1/8.11.1) id f14ACUi57796 for netatalk-admins@umich.edu; Sun, 4 Feb 2001 02:12:30 -0800 Received: by johana.com (UUPC/extended 1.12p); Sun, 04 Feb 2001 01:36:26 -0800 Message-ID: <3a7d229a.johana@johana.com> Date: Sun, 04 Feb 2001 01:36:26 -0800 From: "Tom Watson" To: netatalk-admins@umich.edu Subject: Re: Wireless Appletalk Check the driver for the LAN intrfaces. AppleTalk REQUIRES that MAC level interfaces provide a hardware multicast capability. Some drivers (I worked on one) don't provide it, or do it in a very marginal way (like only in promiscous mode). I just took a brief look at the code (file "wavelan.c" in .../drivers/net) and saw some code relating to hardware multicast mode. Some code in OTHER parts of the networking are need to have the configuration paramater for "IP: multicasting" (which is quite another thing, really) turned on to enable MAC level (ISO level 2) multicast things. You might want to check there. If you have some way of "sniffing" at packets, you might look there to see that when things such as AppleTalk name lookups happen (use the program 'nbplkup'), the multicast address (09:00:07:FF:FF:FF) gets out. Then look for a response back. Good luck in your work. Sorry about the delay in a response. I've been busy. On Mon, 29 Jan 2001 12:55:37 -0500 (EST), netatalk-admins@umich.edu wrote: > Anyone gotten netatalk running on a wireless network? I am using the lucent > cards Wavelan/IEEE in ad-hoc mode... I want my router to act as the head end > appletalk router defining networks and zones... I am guessing the broadcast > is what is screwing it up... I don't even get zones... I took a working > atalkd config and just changed interfaces... now it doesn't work on the > wireless... here is my config > eth2 -router -net 50-55 -address 50.1 -zone "Stuff" -zone "Other Stuff" > > (note the options might not be the exact terms I am not at the box...) > > Any help? > -- Tom Watson Generic short signature tsw@johana.com (I'm at home now) From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Sun Feb 4 18:03:42 2001 Return-Path: Received: from kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.25]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id SAA24866 for ; Sun, 4 Feb 2001 18:03:42 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id SAA02634 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Sun, 4 Feb 2001 18:03:42 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id SAA02609 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Sun, 4 Feb 2001 18:03:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from priv-edtnes10-hme0.telusplanet.net (mtaout.telus.net [199.185.220.235]) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id SAA02525 for ; Sun, 4 Feb 2001 18:03:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from telusplanet.net ([161.184.167.160]) by priv-edtnes10-hme0.telusplanet.net (InterMail vM.4.01.03.10 201-229-121-110) with ESMTP id <20010204230337.NVBB3566.priv-edtnes10-hme0.telusplanet.net@telusplanet.net> for ; Sun, 4 Feb 2001 16:03:37 -0700 Sender: stef@telusplanet.net Message-ID: <3A7D7DC3.95192108@telusplanet.net> Date: Sun, 04 Feb 2001 09:05:23 -0700 From: Stefan Srdic X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.0 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: netatalk-admins@umich.edu Subject: Sharing CD-ROM's and Floppy's via NetaTalk Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I've recently configured an old Pentium to serve as a Apple file server on a simple peer-peer network. I have been requested by my client to configure the Linux box so that he would be able to mount floppies and CD-ROM drives over the network. How do you accomplish this? So far, the user is able to log into the Linux box and mount his home diretory over the network. How do I give permissions to this user and configure NetaTalk so that he can mount floppies and CD-ROM's? Thanks Stef From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Sun Feb 4 19:03:50 2001 Return-Path: Received: from easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.26]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id TAA25751 for ; Sun, 4 Feb 2001 19:03:49 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id TAA02246 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Sun, 4 Feb 2001 19:03:49 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id TAA02230 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Sun, 4 Feb 2001 19:03:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from plato.arts.usyd.edu.au (plato.arts.usyd.edu.au [129.78.16.1]) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id TAA02159 for ; Sun, 4 Feb 2001 19:03:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from arts.usyd.edu.au (IDENT:matthew@whitestar.arts.usyd.edu.au [129.78.16.20]) by plato.arts.usyd.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA01845; Mon, 5 Feb 2001 11:03:17 +1100 (EST) Sender: matthew@plato.arts.usyd.edu.au Message-ID: <3A7DEECE.60069353@arts.usyd.edu.au> Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2001 11:07:42 +1100 From: Matthew Geier Organization: Arts IT Unit, Sydney University X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.0-XFS i686) X-Accept-Language: en, pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Duncan Sinclair , netatalk-admins@umich.edu Subject: Re: CRLF fun stuff again... References: <12810.981202108@dis.strath.ac.uk> Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/x-pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha1; boundary="------------ms3B143497557693B09E6550F2" This is a cryptographically signed message in MIME format. --------------ms3B143497557693B09E6550F2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Duncan Sinclair wrote: > > Hi Folks, > > I wrote: > >Until now, every time I mention this problem, people tell me that I > >shouldn't want to do cr/lf translation, and it's an ugly hack. My reply > >is that it is necessary for cross platform file manipulation, and I > >really, actually, want it, thank you very much. > > Donald Lee writes: > >If I may add my two cents, I think it's a bad idea for the filesystem to > >effectively blindly fondle and convert the data. There are plenty of tools > >out there, like bbedit, that handle text files regardless of how their > >line endings are done. > > > >The downside of a problem with the CR/LF "feature" is irretrievably corrupted > >data. What you get for this is arguably a minor "convenience". > > > >I think it's a bad trade. > > > >I keep it turned off, and recommend this to all who ask. > > This is the sort of thing I mean. I know that BBEdit handles Unix > files transparently. That's not what I'm interested in. I want to > edit Mac-produced files on the Unix end. Vi doesn't "do" Mac-style > line endings. Nor does any other unix utility. Nor should they. > > Typical example... I have users that edit HTML pages using their > favourite HTML editor and then copy their pages to my server. I later > may want to edit their pages from my Sun. I first have to do the cr/lf > conversion myself. I wouldn't have to do this if the cr/lf translation > worked properly. 'vim' does Mac and PC style eol conventions and can auto detect. VIM is often shipped as the 'vi' on Linux distributions. It is worth noting that the Samba team have point blank refused to add any form of 'translation' to Samba. It serves files exactly 'as is'. 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Bechtel" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.17-21mdk i586) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: netatalk-admins@umich.edu Subject: Re: Sharing CD-ROM's and Floppy's via NetaTalk References: <3A7D7DC3.95192108@telusplanet.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Stefan, I used Supermount to allow the CDs to be mounted. It worked ok for most files, but never was satisfactory for Mac executables. The reason was that the date/time information that Linux offered to the Mac clients, was almost always out-of-order, and the software would refuse to work. Good Luck, and let me know if it works. It was a long time ago, that I used netatalk to serve CDs to Macs, I hope the date/time information has been corrected, kernel 1.3. Phil Stefan Srdic wrote: > I've recently configured an old Pentium to serve as a Apple file server > on a simple peer-peer network. I have been requested by my client to > configure the Linux box so that he would be able to mount floppies and > CD-ROM drives over the network. How do you accomplish this? > > So far, the user is able to log into the Linux box and mount his home > diretory over the network. How do I give permissions to this user and > configure NetaTalk so that he can mount floppies and CD-ROM's? > > Thanks > > Stef -- - Philip B, Bechtel - - AARDSYS,LLC "The earth is but one country - - (716) 778-5271 and mankind it's citizens." - - PBechtel@concentric.net -- Baha'u'llah - From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Sun Feb 4 19:46:37 2001 Return-Path: Received: from funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.27]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id TAA26618 for ; Sun, 4 Feb 2001 19:46:36 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id TAA12455 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Sun, 4 Feb 2001 19:46:31 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id TAA12453 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Sun, 4 Feb 2001 19:46:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from clever.visp-europe.psi.com (clever.visp-europe.psi.com [212.222.105.4]) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id TAA12449 for ; Sun, 4 Feb 2001 19:46:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from n247-27.berlin.snafu.de ([195.21.247.27] helo=athlet.deltaman.de) by clever.visp-europe.psi.com with esmtp (Exim 3.22 #1) id 14PZnY-0005H4-00 for netatalk-admins@umich.edu; Mon, 05 Feb 2001 01:46:29 +0100 Received: from athlet (root@athlet.deltaman.de [192.168.1.1]) by athlet.deltaman.de (8.9.3/8.9.3/SuSE Linux 8.9.3-0.1) with SMTP id BAA28326 for ; Mon, 5 Feb 2001 01:45:28 +0100 From: Carsten Neumann Reply-To: deltor@snafu.de To: netatalk-admins@umich.edu Subject: Re: CRLF fun stuff again... Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2001 01:44:32 +0100 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.0.28] Content-Type: text/plain References: <3a7d1992.johana@johana.com> In-Reply-To: <3a7d1992.johana@johana.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <01020422534000.26432@athlet> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu id TAA26618 On Sun, 04 Feb 2001, Tom Watson wrote: > On Sat, 3 Feb 2001 14:54:13 -0500 (EST), > Duncan Sinclair writes: > > > > Marc Miller writes: > <<>> > > > <<>> > > > > > > Duncan. > > > > Geez folks, how about making a "simple" script like: > > #!/bin/sh > tr "\015\012" "\012\015" $1 $$converted > rm $1 > mv $$converted $1 This one has some disadvantages: 1. My (gnu-)tr only reads from stdin and writes to stdout. 2. The file-name must not contain spaces - but Mac-files often do. 3. The permissions and dates are changed. A better one: #!/bin/sh tr '\r\n' '\n\r' < "$1" > $$converted touch --reference "$1" $$converted chmod --reference "$1" $$converted mv -f $$converted "$1" > > > And put it somewhere nice (/usr/local/bin) and give it a nice name. It will > convert to & from mac endings (, \015) to Unix/Linux/HP-UX endings (, > \012). > > If your favorite editor doesn't see the line endings, convert it, and then > use it, then convert it back. This isn't rocket science. Anyway, HTML > could care less about line endings anyway. Be thankful you don't have > Windoze, they use TWO characters as line endings. > > Further rant deleted by author. It has been said all before. No use > wasting bandwidth. (*SIGH*) > -- > Tom Watson Generic short signature > tsw@johana.com (I'm at home now) Regards Carsten From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Sun Feb 4 21:35:39 2001 Return-Path: Received: from funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.27]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id VAA29022 for ; Sun, 4 Feb 2001 21:35:38 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id VAA03467 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Sun, 4 Feb 2001 21:35:32 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id VAA03458 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Sun, 4 Feb 2001 21:35:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from clever.visp-europe.psi.com (clever.visp-europe.psi.com [212.222.105.4]) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id VAA03429 for ; Sun, 4 Feb 2001 21:35:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from n163-43.berlin.snafu.de ([195.21.163.43] helo=athlet.deltaman.de) by clever.visp-europe.psi.com with esmtp (Exim 3.22 #1) id 14PbV9-0001su-00 for netatalk-admins@umich.edu; Mon, 05 Feb 2001 03:35:35 +0100 Received: from athlet (root@athlet.deltaman.de [192.168.1.1]) by athlet.deltaman.de (8.9.3/8.9.3/SuSE Linux 8.9.3-0.1) with SMTP id DAA28761 for ; Mon, 5 Feb 2001 03:17:53 +0100 From: Carsten Neumann Reply-To: deltor@snafu.de To: netatalk-admins@umich.edu Subject: Re: Sharing CD-ROM's and Floppy's via NetaTalk Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2001 02:11:26 +0100 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.0.28] Content-Type: text/plain References: <3A7D7DC3.95192108@telusplanet.net> <3A7DF752.71C6BE41@concentric.net> In-Reply-To: <3A7DF752.71C6BE41@concentric.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <01020503175204.26432@athlet> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu id VAA29022 On Mon, 05 Feb 2001, Philip B. Bechtel wrote: > Stefan, > > I used Supermount to allow the CDs to be mounted. It worked ok for > most files, but never was satisfactory for Mac executables. > The reason was that the date/time information that Linux offered to the > Mac clients, was almost always out-of-order, and the software > would refuse to work. > > Good Luck, and let me know if it works. It was a long time ago, that I > used netatalk to serve CDs to Macs, I hope the date/time > information has been corrected, kernel 1.3. > > Phil I think the bigger problem is that your resource fork and finder info will get dropped. Afpd uses the .AppleDouble dir to store these things, i.e. one extra file per mac file. An HFS volume (or ISO9660 w/HFS extension) stores these in two separate directories .finderinfo and .resource, i.e. two extra files per mac file. They aren't seen by afpd. So you only have access to the data fork, which is sometimes not enough. ;-) Or is there an option to mount HFS volumes that they can properly be used via afpd? Or an option for afpd? > > Stefan Srdic wrote: > > > I've recently configured an old Pentium to serve as a Apple file server > > on a simple peer-peer network. I have been requested by my client to > > configure the Linux box so that he would be able to mount floppies and > > CD-ROM drives over the network. How do you accomplish this? > > > > So far, the user is able to log into the Linux box and mount his home > > diretory over the network. How do I give permissions to this user and > > configure NetaTalk so that he can mount floppies and CD-ROM's? > > > > Thanks > > > > Stef Regards Carsten From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Sun Feb 4 21:52:06 2001 Return-Path: Received: from easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.26]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id VAA29266 for ; Sun, 4 Feb 2001 21:52:06 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id VAA08593 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Sun, 4 Feb 2001 21:52:06 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id VAA08587 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Sun, 4 Feb 2001 21:52:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from leaf.lumiere.net (leaf.lumiere.net [208.44.192.100]) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id VAA08555 for ; Sun, 4 Feb 2001 21:52:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from [10.11.12.51] (adsl-209-233-23-200.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [209.233.23.200]) by leaf.lumiere.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5364DD13B for ; Sun, 4 Feb 2001 18:52:03 -0800 (PST) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: kevin@pop.lumiere.net Message-Id: Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2001 18:51:32 -0800 To: netatalk-admins@umich.edu From: Kevin Shrieve Subject: my Mac sees much less hard drive space Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" We've installed netatalk-1.4b2 on a FreeBSD 4.2-20001121-BETA system. A 20G shared partition displays as 1.6G from a Mac OS 9.04 machine. All 20G are available from a Win 98 machine. I see a mention of this in the archives from August. Has this problem been resolved? If not, are there workaround strategies? Surely this is not what most netatalk users encounter, eh? Thanks for any help. kevin at lumiere.net > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Steve Freitas [mailto:sflist@ihonk.com] > > Sent: Monday, August 07, 2000 11:59 AM > > To: Mike Johnson; Netatalk > > Subject: Re: Problem with displayed hard drive space > > > > > When a > > >mac logs in, they see only the miserable little amount of free space left > > on > > >linux, not the wide-open space available on the mounted directories. > > > > What MacOS version(s) are the clients running? Older versions of the OS > > (someone else will have to join in with specific version numbers) > > couldn't see past some ludicrously low number of gigs, I think 2 gigs, > > and that would foul up the free space display. > > > > Steve From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Sun Feb 4 23:10:25 2001 Return-Path: Received: from funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.27]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id XAA00753 for ; Sun, 4 Feb 2001 23:10:24 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id XAA19811 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Sun, 4 Feb 2001 23:10:18 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id XAA19809 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Sun, 4 Feb 2001 23:10:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from clmboh1-smtp3.columbus.rr.com (dhcp065-024-000-112.columbus.rr.com [65.24.0.112] (may be forged)) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id XAA19801 for ; Sun, 4 Feb 2001 23:10:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.iowna.com (dhcp065-024-023-038.columbus.rr.com [65.24.23.38]) by clmboh1-smtp3.columbus.rr.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id f1547tr20490; Sun, 4 Feb 2001 23:07:56 -0500 (EST) Sender: wmoran@clmboh1-smtp3.columbus.rr.com Message-ID: <3A7E270C.44004163@mail.iowna.com> Date: Sun, 04 Feb 2001 23:07:40 -0500 From: Bill Moran X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (X11; U; FreeBSD 4.2-STABLE i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: deltor@snafu.de CC: netatalk-admins@umich.edu Subject: Re: Sharing CD-ROM's and Floppy's via NetaTalk References: <3A7D7DC3.95192108@telusplanet.net> <3A7DF752.71C6BE41@concentric.net> <01020503175204.26432@athlet> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Carsten Neumann wrote: > > On Mon, 05 Feb 2001, Philip B. Bechtel wrote: > > Stefan, > > > > I used Supermount to allow the CDs to be mounted. It worked ok for > > most files, but never was satisfactory for Mac executables. > > The reason was that the date/time information that Linux offered to the > > Mac clients, was almost always out-of-order, and the software > > would refuse to work. > > > > Good Luck, and let me know if it works. It was a long time ago, that I > > used netatalk to serve CDs to Macs, I hope the date/time > > information has been corrected, kernel 1.3. > > > > Phil > > I think the bigger problem is that your resource fork and finder info will get dropped. > Afpd uses the .AppleDouble dir to store these things, i.e. one extra file per mac file. > An HFS volume (or ISO9660 w/HFS extension) stores these in two separate directories .finderinfo and > .resource, i.e. two extra files per mac file. > They aren't seen by afpd. > So you only have access to the data fork, which is sometimes not enough. ;-) > Or is there an option to mount HFS volumes that they can properly be used via afpd? > Or an option for afpd? There is a suite of HFS tools for FreeBSD that allow mounting of HFS volumes (including CD-ROMs, etc) I'd assume that they're available under Linux, but I don't know. I also don't know the extent of their capability. It's something to look into, though. -Bill From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Sun Feb 4 23:11:58 2001 Return-Path: Received: from kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.25]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id XAA00793 for ; Sun, 4 Feb 2001 23:11:58 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id XAA04380 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Sun, 4 Feb 2001 23:11:58 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id XAA04348 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Sun, 4 Feb 2001 23:11:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from clmboh1-smtp3.columbus.rr.com (dhcp065-024-000-112.columbus.rr.com [65.24.0.112] (may be forged)) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id XAA04294 for ; Sun, 4 Feb 2001 23:11:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.iowna.com (dhcp065-024-023-038.columbus.rr.com [65.24.23.38]) by clmboh1-smtp3.columbus.rr.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id f1549Ur21016; Sun, 4 Feb 2001 23:09:30 -0500 (EST) Sender: wmoran@clmboh1-smtp3.columbus.rr.com Message-ID: <3A7E276B.5E2243AB@mail.iowna.com> Date: Sun, 04 Feb 2001 23:09:15 -0500 From: Bill Moran X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (X11; U; FreeBSD 4.2-STABLE i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Kevin Shrieve CC: netatalk-admins@umich.edu Subject: Re: my Mac sees much less hard drive space References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kevin Shrieve wrote: > > We've installed netatalk-1.4b2 on a FreeBSD 4.2-20001121-BETA system. > > A 20G shared partition displays as 1.6G from a Mac OS 9.04 machine. > All 20G are available from a Win 98 machine. > > I see a mention of this in the archives from August. Has this > problem been resolved? If not, are there workaround strategies? > Surely this is not what most netatalk users encounter, eh? Install the version of Netatalk with the asun patches (available as a package). It fixes that problem as well as others. -Bill From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Sun Feb 4 23:27:36 2001 Return-Path: Received: from kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.25]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id XAA01132 for ; Sun, 4 Feb 2001 23:27:36 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id XAA14203 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Sun, 4 Feb 2001 23:27:36 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id XAA14176 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Sun, 4 Feb 2001 23:27:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from schilling.ucdavis.edu (schilling.ucdavis.edu [169.237.105.1]) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id XAA14121 for ; Sun, 4 Feb 2001 23:27:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from prometheus.mailbox.ucdavis.edu (iras-6-97.ucdavis.edu [169.237.13.97]) by schilling.ucdavis.edu (8.11.1/8.11.0/IT4.4.8) with ESMTP id f154RQZ02960; Sun, 4 Feb 2001 20:27:27 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <5.0.2.1.0.20010204200618.00a53c00@127.0.0.1> X-Sender: itlm019/mailbox.ucdavis.edu@127.0.0.1 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0.2 Date: Sun, 04 Feb 2001 20:11:50 -0800 To: Kevin Shrieve , netatalk-admins@umich.edu From: "Marc J. Miller" Subject: Re: my Mac sees much less hard drive space In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Netatalk 1.5 was patched to recognize larger partitions. You could probably apply the same patches to the version you're using, but it's easiest just to download one of the recent packaged releases from http://www.sourceforge.net/projects/netatalk. At 06:51 PM 2/4/01 -0800, Kevin Shrieve wrote: >We've installed netatalk-1.4b2 on a FreeBSD 4.2-20001121-BETA system. > >A 20G shared partition displays as 1.6G from a Mac OS 9.04 machine. All >20G are available from a Win 98 machine. > >I see a mention of this in the archives from August. Has this problem >been resolved? If not, are there workaround strategies? Surely this is >not what most netatalk users encounter, eh? > >Thanks for any help. > >kevin at lumiere.net > > >> > -----Original Message----- >> > From: Steve Freitas [mailto:sflist@ihonk.com] >> > Sent: Monday, August 07, 2000 11:59 AM >> > To: Mike Johnson; Netatalk >> > Subject: Re: Problem with displayed hard drive space >> > >> > > When a >> > >mac logs in, they see only the miserable little amount of free >> space left >> > on >> > >linux, not the wide-open space available on the mounted directories. >> > >> > What MacOS version(s) are the clients running? Older versions of the OS >> > (someone else will have to join in with specific version numbers) >> > couldn't see past some ludicrously low number of gigs, I think 2 gigs, >> > and that would foul up the free space display. >> > >> > Steve From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Mon Feb 5 00:16:36 2001 Return-Path: Received: from easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.26]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id AAA02192 for ; Mon, 5 Feb 2001 00:16:36 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id AAA15287 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Mon, 5 Feb 2001 00:16:36 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id AAA15276 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Mon, 5 Feb 2001 00:16:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtprelay3.adelphia.net (smtprelay3.adelphia.net [64.8.25.8]) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id AAA15251 for ; Mon, 5 Feb 2001 00:16:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from concentric.net ([24.48.84.198]) by smtprelay3.adelphia.net (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with ESMTP id G89QM500.H98 for ; Mon, 5 Feb 2001 00:15:41 -0500 Sender: pbechtel@concentric.net Message-ID: <3A7E373B.32AEB490@concentric.net> Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2001 00:16:44 -0500 From: "Philip B. Bechtel" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.17-21mdk i586) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: netatalk-admins@umich.edu Subject: Re: Sharing CD-ROM's and Floppy's via NetaTalk References: <3A7D7DC3.95192108@telusplanet.net> <3A7DF752.71C6BE41@concentric.net> <01020503175204.26432@athlet> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------3B7766D0C2C83AFFB065157F" --------------3B7766D0C2C83AFFB065157F Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The hfs module was available back when I tried it. It certainly did provide the forked files that were on the Mac CDs. I believe I copied executables from a Mac CD on a Mac to a Netatalk share and it would then be executable if the software didn't check the date/time for some kind of weak copy protection. Some programs worked fine, others didn't. It was a few years back, so trying it again, by copying a complete executable from the Mac to a netatalk share, testing execution, then mount the CD with HFS module loaded, and try execution again to see any difference, would be useful. Phil Carsten Neumann wrote: > On Mon, 05 Feb 2001, Philip B. Bechtel wrote: > > Stefan, > > > > I used Supermount to allow the CDs to be mounted. It worked ok for > > most files, but never was satisfactory for Mac executables. > > The reason was that the date/time information that Linux offered to the > > Mac clients, was almost always out-of-order, and the software > > would refuse to work. > > > > Good Luck, and let me know if it works. It was a long time ago, that I > > used netatalk to serve CDs to Macs, I hope the date/time > > information has been corrected, kernel 1.3. > > > > Phil > > I think the bigger problem is that your resource fork and finder info will get dropped. > Afpd uses the .AppleDouble dir to store these things, i.e. one extra file per mac file. > An HFS volume (or ISO9660 w/HFS extension) stores these in two separate directories .finderinfo and > .resource, i.e. two extra files per mac file. > They aren't seen by afpd. > So you only have access to the data fork, which is sometimes not enough. ;-) > Or is there an option to mount HFS volumes that they can properly be used via afpd? > Or an option for afpd? > > > > > Stefan Srdic wrote: > > > > > I've recently configured an old Pentium to serve as a Apple file server > > > on a simple peer-peer network. I have been requested by my client to > > > configure the Linux box so that he would be able to mount floppies and > > > CD-ROM drives over the network. How do you accomplish this? > > > > > > So far, the user is able to log into the Linux box and mount his home > > > diretory over the network. How do I give permissions to this user and > > > configure NetaTalk so that he can mount floppies and CD-ROM's? > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > Stef > > Regards > > Carsten -- - Philip B, Bechtel - - AARDSYS,LLC "The earth is but one country - - (716) 778-5271 and mankind it's citizens." - - PBechtel@concentric.net -- Baha'u'llah - --------------3B7766D0C2C83AFFB065157F Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The hfs module was available back when I tried it.  It certainly did provide the forked files that were on the Mac CDs. I believe I
copied executables from a Mac CD on a Mac to a Netatalk share and it would then be executable if the software didn't check the
date/time for some kind of weak copy protection.  Some programs worked fine, others didn't.  It was a few years back, so trying it again,
by copying a complete executable from the Mac to a netatalk share, testing execution, then mount the CD with HFS module loaded, and try execution again to see any difference, would be useful.

Phil

Carsten Neumann wrote:

On Mon, 05 Feb 2001, Philip B. Bechtel wrote:
> Stefan,
>
>     I used Supermount to allow the CDs to be mounted.  It worked ok for
> most files, but never was satisfactory for Mac executables.
> The reason was that the date/time information that Linux offered to the
> Mac clients, was almost always out-of-order, and the software
> would refuse to work.
>
> Good Luck, and let me know if it works.  It was a long time ago, that I
> used netatalk to serve CDs to Macs, I hope the date/time
> information has been corrected, kernel 1.3.
>
> Phil

I think the bigger problem is that your resource fork and finder info will get dropped.
Afpd uses the .AppleDouble dir to store these things, i.e. one extra file per mac file.
An HFS volume (or ISO9660 w/HFS extension) stores these in two separate directories .finderinfo and
.resource, i.e. two extra files per mac file.
They aren't seen by afpd.
So you only have access to the data fork, which is sometimes not enough. ;-)
Or is there an option to mount HFS volumes that they can properly be used via afpd?
Or an option for afpd?

>
> Stefan Srdic wrote:
>
> > I've recently configured an old Pentium to serve as a Apple file server
> > on a simple peer-peer network. I have been requested by my client to
> > configure the Linux box so that he would be able to mount floppies and
> > CD-ROM drives over the network. How do you accomplish this?
> >
> > So far, the user is able to log into the Linux box and mount his home
> > diretory over the network. How do I give permissions to this user and
> > configure NetaTalk so that he can mount floppies and CD-ROM's?
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> > Stef

Regards

        Carsten

-- 
- Philip B, Bechtel                                                    -
- AARDSYS,LLC                         "The earth is but one country    -
- (716) 778-5271                       and mankind it's citizens."     - 
- PBechtel@concentric.net                -- Baha'u'llah                -
  --------------3B7766D0C2C83AFFB065157F-- From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Mon Feb 5 01:12:22 2001 Return-Path: Received: from easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.26]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id BAA02964 for ; Mon, 5 Feb 2001 01:12:21 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id BAA27022 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Mon, 5 Feb 2001 01:12:21 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id BAA27011 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Mon, 5 Feb 2001 01:12:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from schilling.ucdavis.edu (schilling.ucdavis.edu [169.237.105.1]) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id BAA26983 for ; Mon, 5 Feb 2001 01:12:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from prometheus.mailbox.ucdavis.edu (iras-3-43.ucdavis.edu [169.237.17.43]) by schilling.ucdavis.edu (8.11.1/8.11.0/IT4.4.8) with ESMTP id f1556CZ07159; Sun, 4 Feb 2001 21:06:17 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <5.0.2.1.0.20010204210127.00a504e0@127.0.0.1> X-Sender: itlm019/mailbox.ucdavis.edu@127.0.0.1 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0.2 Date: Sun, 04 Feb 2001 21:02:31 -0800 To: Bill Moran , Kevin Shrieve From: "Marc J. Miller" Subject: Re: my Mac sees much less hard drive space Cc: netatalk-admins@umich.edu In-Reply-To: <3A7E276B.5E2243AB@mail.iowna.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed The asun patches do something with the 2GB barrier, but version 1.5 of netatalk/etc/afpd/unix.c also claims to be a fix for that. I'm not sure the asun patches will be enough. At 11:09 PM 2/4/01 -0500, Bill Moran wrote: >Kevin Shrieve wrote: > > > > We've installed netatalk-1.4b2 on a FreeBSD 4.2-20001121-BETA system. > > > > A 20G shared partition displays as 1.6G from a Mac OS 9.04 machine. > > All 20G are available from a Win 98 machine. > > > > I see a mention of this in the archives from August. Has this > > problem been resolved? If not, are there workaround strategies? > > Surely this is not what most netatalk users encounter, eh? > >Install the version of Netatalk with the asun patches (available as a >package). It fixes that problem as well as others. > >-Bill From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Mon Feb 5 01:26:55 2001 Return-Path: Received: from funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.27]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id BAA03329 for ; Mon, 5 Feb 2001 01:26:55 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id BAA23016 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Mon, 5 Feb 2001 01:26:49 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id BAA23010 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Mon, 5 Feb 2001 01:26:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from server.deanox.com (ns1.deanox.com [209.197.23.235]) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id BAA22966 for ; Mon, 5 Feb 2001 01:26:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from rygar.deanox.com (rygar.deanox.com [209.197.23.237]) by server.deanox.com (8.9.3/8.8.7) with SMTP id AAA13757; Mon, 5 Feb 2001 00:25:14 -0700 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20010204232650.008ffcd0@server.deanox.com> X-Sender: faxguy@server.deanox.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Sun, 04 Feb 2001 23:26:50 -0700 To: "Marc J. Miller" , Bill Moran , Kevin Shrieve From: Lee Howard Subject: Re: my Mac sees much less hard drive space Cc: netatalk-admins@umich.edu In-Reply-To: <5.0.2.1.0.20010204210127.00a504e0@127.0.0.1> References: <3A7E276B.5E2243AB@mail.iowna.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 09:02 PM 2/4/01 -0800, Marc J. Miller wrote: >The asun patches do something with the 2GB barrier, but version 1.5 of >netatalk/etc/afpd/unix.c also claims to be a fix for that. I'm not sure >the asun patches will be enough. I recently did a netatalk-1.5 installation and didn't notice a problem with a 2GB barrier and haven't heard any problems from the client, either. Lee Howard. From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Mon Feb 5 02:32:57 2001 Return-Path: Received: from easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.26]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id CAA04447 for ; Mon, 5 Feb 2001 02:32:56 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id CAA10820 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Mon, 5 Feb 2001 02:32:56 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id CAA10803 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Mon, 5 Feb 2001 02:32:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from clever.visp-europe.psi.com (clever.visp-europe.psi.com [212.222.105.4]) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id CAA10767 for ; Mon, 5 Feb 2001 02:32:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from n245-64.berlin.snafu.de ([195.21.245.64] helo=athlet.deltaman.de) by clever.visp-europe.psi.com with esmtp (Exim 3.22 #1) id 14Pg8q-0007Hz-00; Mon, 05 Feb 2001 08:32:53 +0100 Received: from athlet (root@athlet.deltaman.de [192.168.1.1]) by athlet.deltaman.de (8.9.3/8.9.3/SuSE Linux 8.9.3-0.1) with SMTP id IAA29668; Mon, 5 Feb 2001 08:30:50 +0100 From: Carsten Neumann Reply-To: deltor@snafu.de To: Stefan Srdic , netatalk-admins@umich.edu Subject: Re: Sharing CD-ROM's and Floppy's via NetaTalk Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2001 06:23:22 +0100 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.0.28] Content-Type: text/plain References: <3A7D7DC3.95192108@telusplanet.net> <01020503175204.26432@athlet> <3A7DC379.1B8767B5@telusplanet.net> In-Reply-To: <3A7DC379.1B8767B5@telusplanet.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <01020508305006.26432@athlet> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu id CAA04447 On Sun, 04 Feb 2001, Stefan Srdic wrote: > Carsten Neumann wrote: > > > I think the bigger problem is that your resource fork and finder info will get dropped. > > Afpd uses the .AppleDouble dir to store these things, i.e. one extra file per mac file. > > An HFS volume (or ISO9660 w/HFS extension) stores these in two separate directories .finderinfo and > > .resource, i.e. two extra files per mac file. > > They aren't seen by afpd. > > So you only have access to the data fork, which is sometimes not enough. ;-) > > Or is there an option to mount HFS volumes that they can properly be used via afpd? > > Or an option for afpd? > > > > > > Regards > > > > Carsten > > Would compiling Apple FileSystem support in the new 2.4 kernel solve this problem? If so, would it be > recomended to partition a seperate directory under the Apple File System for use with NetaTalk? > > Stef I have HFS support as module, think there is no difference between kernel-integration and module. I also think there is no change from 2.2.x to 2.4 regarding HFS. If you haven't already, compile Apple filesystem support into your kernel or as a module. So you will be able to mount HFS images. But that wouldn't solve our problems. If you mount an HFS image like: mount -t hfs -o loop disk.img mount-point there will always be the .finderinfo and .resource directories instead of the .AppleDouble dir. So afpd doesn't see it -> no resource fork, file type, creator, etc. Could be a challenge to have afpd work on Mac HFS. :-) I sometimes dreamed of mounting my jukeboxes CDROMs remotely via AppleTalk. :-)) If someone has knowledge and time to make afpd mess around with the .resource and .finderinfo files this would be a great advance. Regards Carsten From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Mon Feb 5 02:32:58 2001 Return-Path: Received: from funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.27]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id CAA04463 for ; Mon, 5 Feb 2001 02:32:58 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id CAA21660 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Mon, 5 Feb 2001 02:32:51 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id CAA21652 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Mon, 5 Feb 2001 02:32:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from clever.visp-europe.psi.com (clever.visp-europe.psi.com [212.222.105.4]) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id CAA21636 for ; Mon, 5 Feb 2001 02:32:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from n245-64.berlin.snafu.de ([195.21.245.64] helo=athlet.deltaman.de) by clever.visp-europe.psi.com with esmtp (Exim 3.22 #1) id 14Pg8s-0007Hz-00; Mon, 05 Feb 2001 08:32:54 +0100 Received: from athlet (root@athlet.deltaman.de [192.168.1.1]) by athlet.deltaman.de (8.9.3/8.9.3/SuSE Linux 8.9.3-0.1) with SMTP id GAA29326; Mon, 5 Feb 2001 06:21:29 +0100 From: Carsten Neumann Reply-To: deltor@snafu.de To: Bill Moran , netatalk-admins@umich.edu Subject: Re: Sharing CD-ROM's and Floppy's via NetaTalk Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2001 05:54:22 +0100 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.0.28] Content-Type: text/plain References: <3A7D7DC3.95192108@telusplanet.net> <01020503175204.26432@athlet> <3A7E270C.44004163@mail.iowna.com> In-Reply-To: <3A7E270C.44004163@mail.iowna.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <01020506212905.26432@athlet> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu id CAA04463 On Mon, 05 Feb 2001, Bill Moran wrote: > Carsten Neumann wrote: > > > > On Mon, 05 Feb 2001, Philip B. Bechtel wrote: > > > Stefan, > > > > > > I used Supermount to allow the CDs to be mounted. It worked ok for > > > most files, but never was satisfactory for Mac executables. > > > The reason was that the date/time information that Linux offered to the > > > Mac clients, was almost always out-of-order, and the software > > > would refuse to work. > > > > > > Good Luck, and let me know if it works. It was a long time ago, that I > > > used netatalk to serve CDs to Macs, I hope the date/time > > > information has been corrected, kernel 1.3. > > > > > > Phil > > > > I think the bigger problem is that your resource fork and finder info will get dropped. > > Afpd uses the .AppleDouble dir to store these things, i.e. one extra file per mac file. > > An HFS volume (or ISO9660 w/HFS extension) stores these in two separate directories .finderinfo and > > .resource, i.e. two extra files per mac file. > > They aren't seen by afpd. > > So you only have access to the data fork, which is sometimes not enough. ;-) > > Or is there an option to mount HFS volumes that they can properly be used via afpd? > > Or an option for afpd? > > There is a suite of HFS tools for FreeBSD that allow mounting of HFS > volumes (including CD-ROMs, etc) I'd assume that they're available under > Linux, but I don't know. I also don't know the extent of their > capability. It's something to look into, though. > > -Bill There is a program suite which is called hfsutils, it contains programs as: hattrib - change HFS file or directory attributes hcd - change working HFS directory hcopy - copy files from or to an HFS volume hdel - delete both forks of an HFS file hdir - display an HFS directory in long format hformat - create a new HFS filesystem and make it current hls - list files in an HFS directory hmkdir - create a new HFS directory hmount - introduce a new HFS volume and make it current hpwd - print the full path to the current HFS working directory hrename - rename or move an HFS file or directory hrmdir - remove an empty HFS directory humount - remove an HFS volume from the list of known volumes hvol - display or change the current HFS volume hfssh - Tcl interpreter with HFS extensions hfs - shell for manipulating HFS volumes xhfs - graphical interface for manipulating HFS volumes This is also available for linux. But with that you cannot really mount a HFS volume into your filesystem. "hmount" rather means: remember in a text file that on device (partition) /dev/ there is a volume called . "hcd" means: remember, you last visit on last volume (you have separate working dirs on each of the "mounted" volumes). Etc. You ALWAYS access the HFS volumes DIRECTLY via the hfsutils (raw i/o on the device). Since the Mac volume isn't really mounted at some mount point, afpd will never see it. These utils are solely designed to access Mac HFS volumes via commandline (or wrappers). I just remember: The utils mdir, mcopy, etc are the mess-dos pendants for that. I never had to deal with them. :-) Regards Carsten From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Mon Feb 5 04:04:14 2001 Return-Path: Received: from funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.27]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id EAA05725 for ; Mon, 5 Feb 2001 04:04:14 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id EAA15459 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Mon, 5 Feb 2001 04:04:05 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id EAA15455 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Mon, 5 Feb 2001 04:04:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from cn5.basingstoke.net ([62.172.32.15]) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id EAA15448 for ; Mon, 5 Feb 2001 04:04:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from webtechniques.co.uk (PROXY.basingstoke.net [62.172.35.140]) by cn5.basingstoke.net (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 635-66099U2000L200S0V35) with SMTP id net for ; Mon, 5 Feb 2001 09:07:14 +0000 Received: from webpc1 ([192.168.1.2]) by webtechniques.co.uk with SMTP (Mailtraq/1.1.4.1073) id WBTC6257397C2 for netatalk-admins@umich.edu; Mon, 05 Feb 2001 09:16:05 -0000 Reply-To: From: "Mike Gibbs" To: Subject: unsubscribe Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2001 09:10:52 -0000 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-Hops: 1 From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Mon Feb 5 05:31:20 2001 Return-Path: Received: from easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.26]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id FAA07214 for ; Mon, 5 Feb 2001 05:31:20 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id FAA13052 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Mon, 5 Feb 2001 05:31:20 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id FAA13041 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Mon, 5 Feb 2001 05:31:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from www21.gmx.net (www21.gmx.net [213.165.64.71]) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with SMTP id FAA13017 for ; Mon, 5 Feb 2001 05:31:18 -0500 (EST) From: grobe@gmx.net Received: (qmail 23604 invoked by uid 0); 5 Feb 2001 10:31:17 -0000 Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2001 11:31:17 +0100 (MET) To: netatalk-admins@umich.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: 1-gigabit-router for netatalk? X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-Authenticated-Sender: #0000290134@gmx.net X-Authenticated-IP: [130.83.244.129] Message-ID: <23567.981369077@www21.gmx.net> X-Mailer: WWW-Mail 1.5 (Global Message Exchange) X-Flags: 0001 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi there, I have a question concerning networking in general and in this special case netatalk. We will split our network (about 100 clients, 80 are macs, and all are getting data from a linux server) into 2 parts: one secure (for "service" and backup) which isn't reachable from the internet, one open (the pool for the students), which can be seen from the outside and takes the fileserver, which can be accessed via ftp, smb and netatalk from the outside. These two parts are linked by a machine which has two 1-GB-nics (to get full speed between the switches of the two parts) and also acts as a firewall to the internet as well as between the two network parts (as we don't want our users to access large format printers in the closed network). So, I would like to hear your opinion if this configuration will be ok in general (does the firewall, which is only filtering, not masquerading, take a lot of cpu-power? will a 200mhz-pentiumpro be ok?) and with netatalk, which isn't very tolerant in bad network configurations, as far as I know. We need stable connections from our clients to the server, as we have a lot of very big files in use. So, is any body using something like this router/firewall with 1Gigabit and netatalk, or should we better take something prebuilt? BTW: we think 3com-Gigabits are ok, any experiences with them and netatalk? Thank you for your help, CU, Lars. -- Sent through GMX FreeMail - http://www.gmx.net From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Mon Feb 5 05:35:31 2001 Return-Path: Received: from easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.26]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id FAA07265 for ; Mon, 5 Feb 2001 05:35:31 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id FAA17885 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Mon, 5 Feb 2001 05:35:31 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id FAA17870 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Mon, 5 Feb 2001 05:35:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from www21.gmx.net (www21.gmx.net [213.165.64.71]) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with SMTP id FAA17839 for ; Mon, 5 Feb 2001 05:35:29 -0500 (EST) From: grobe@gmx.net Received: (qmail 3453 invoked by uid 0); 5 Feb 2001 10:35:11 -0000 Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2001 11:35:11 +0100 (MET) To: netatalk-admins@umich.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: which version (with codepages)? X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-Authenticated-Sender: #0000290134@gmx.net X-Authenticated-IP: [130.83.244.129] Message-ID: <3437.981369311@www21.gmx.net> X-Mailer: WWW-Mail 1.5 (Global Message Exchange) X-Flags: 0001 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi, as I want to recompile my netatalk to support encrypted passwords, I would like to ask which version is good for use (not for testing). I remember that tere was one version not supporting codepages (I think asun's pre39), so should I use pre38 or pre37? Yes, we are using Quark, and many users still work over the net ;-) BTW: I dind't install the 1.5pres because of reports that files have been disappearing, codepages not working etc. So, these versions are still not stable? Thank you, CU, Lars. -- Sent through GMX FreeMail - http://www.gmx.net From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Mon Feb 5 08:34:25 2001 Return-Path: Received: from funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.27]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id IAA09717 for ; Mon, 5 Feb 2001 08:34:25 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id IAA16615 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Mon, 5 Feb 2001 08:34:18 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id IAA16612 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Mon, 5 Feb 2001 08:34:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from clmboh1-smtp3.columbus.rr.com (dhcp065-024-000-112.columbus.rr.com [65.24.0.112] (may be forged)) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id IAA16600 for ; Mon, 5 Feb 2001 08:34:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.iowna.com (dhcp065-024-023-038.columbus.rr.com [65.24.23.38]) by clmboh1-smtp3.columbus.rr.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id f15DVtr29150; Mon, 5 Feb 2001 08:31:56 -0500 (EST) Sender: wmoran@clmboh1-smtp3.columbus.rr.com Message-ID: <3A7EAB3F.44EF429C@mail.iowna.com> Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2001 08:31:44 -0500 From: Bill Moran X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (X11; U; FreeBSD 4.2-STABLE i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Marc J. Miller" CC: Kevin Shrieve , netatalk-admins@umich.edu Subject: Re: my Mac sees much less hard drive space References: <5.0.2.1.0.20010204210127.00a504e0@127.0.0.1> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I've got a client running with the asun patches and we've had no problems. I believe that the asun patches were the basis of version 1.5. Of course, more has been added since then, but the 1.5 tree is still "prerelease". If you've got time to play, try both. -Bill "Marc J. Miller" wrote: > > The asun patches do something with the 2GB barrier, but version 1.5 of > netatalk/etc/afpd/unix.c also claims to be a fix for that. I'm not sure > the asun patches will be enough. > > At 11:09 PM 2/4/01 -0500, Bill Moran wrote: > >Kevin Shrieve wrote: > > > > > > We've installed netatalk-1.4b2 on a FreeBSD 4.2-20001121-BETA system. > > > > > > A 20G shared partition displays as 1.6G from a Mac OS 9.04 machine. > > > All 20G are available from a Win 98 machine. > > > > > > I see a mention of this in the archives from August. Has this > > > problem been resolved? If not, are there workaround strategies? > > > Surely this is not what most netatalk users encounter, eh? > > > >Install the version of Netatalk with the asun patches (available as a > >package). It fixes that problem as well as others. > > > >-Bill From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Mon Feb 5 12:04:07 2001 Return-Path: Received: from easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.26]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id MAA15319 for ; Mon, 5 Feb 2001 12:04:07 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id MAA05139 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Mon, 5 Feb 2001 12:04:07 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id MAA05083 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Mon, 5 Feb 2001 12:04:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from enschede.dhs.org (cc56962-a.ensch1.ov.nl.home.com [212.204.167.144]) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id MAA05021 for ; Mon, 5 Feb 2001 12:04:02 -0500 (EST) From: vgb@enschede.dhs.org Received: (from lp@localhost) by enschede.dhs.org (8.10.2/8.10.2/SuSE Linux 8.10.0-0.3) id f15H42l09327; Mon, 5 Feb 2001 18:04:02 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: enschede.dhs.org: lp set sender to vgb@enschede.dhs.org using -f To: grobe@gmx.net, Netatalk Admins Subject: Re: 1-gigabit-router for netatalk? Message-ID: <981392605.3a7edcdd14b1a@Kanarie> Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2001 18:03:25 +0100 (CET) References: <23567.981369077@www21.gmx.net> In-Reply-To: <23567.981369077@www21.gmx.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: IMP/PHP IMAP webmail program 2.2.3 X-Originating-IP: 192.168.0.1 > Hi there, > > I have a question concerning networking in > general and in this special case > netatalk. > > We will split our network (about 100 clients, 80 > are macs, and all are > getting data from a linux server) into 2 parts: > one secure (for "service" and > backup) which isn't reachable from the internet, > one open (the pool for the > students), which can be seen from the outside > and takes the fileserver, which can > be accessed via ftp, smb and netatalk from the > outside. These two parts are > linked by a machine which has two 1-GB-nics (to > get full speed between the > switches of the two parts) and also acts as a > firewall to the internet as well > as between the two network parts (as we don't > want our users to access large > format printers in the closed network). > > So, I would like to hear your opinion if this > configuration will be ok in > general (does the firewall, which is only > filtering, not masquerading, take a > lot of cpu-power? will a 200mhz-pentiumpro be > ok?) and with netatalk, which > isn't very tolerant in bad network > configurations, as far as I know. We need > stable connections from our clients to the > server, as we have a lot of very big > files in use. So, is any body using something > like this router/firewall with > 1Gigabit and netatalk, or should we better take > something prebuilt? > > BTW: we think 3com-Gigabits are ok, any > experiences with them and netatalk? > > Thank you for your help, CU, Lars. After a lot af testing I would not recommend the 3Com 3C985 Gigabit Nic because it is a expensive and not a very fast Nic, after a reboot (as is needed to test a machine before selling it :)) almost every second time the card failed with seg-faults. We now are using Level-One or Intel Gigabit ethernics and are satisfied with these but this is only one opinion. I would like to know if there are other people who engaged the same problems, Vincent From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Mon Feb 5 12:17:31 2001 Return-Path: Received: from easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.26]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id MAA15649 for ; Mon, 5 Feb 2001 12:17:31 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id MAA25833 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Mon, 5 Feb 2001 12:17:31 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id MAA25818 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Mon, 5 Feb 2001 12:17:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from kanguruh.ebios.de (kanguruh.ebios.de [195.126.148.2]) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id MAA25716 for ; Mon, 5 Feb 2001 12:17:26 -0500 (EST) Received: (from vb@localhost) by kanguruh.ebios.de (8.11.0/8.8.8) id f15HHKx23405 for netatalk-admins@umich.edu; Mon, 5 Feb 2001 18:17:20 +0100 From: Volker Birk Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2001 18:17:19 +0100 To: netatalk-admins@umich.edu Subject: OPI Server ready Message-ID: <20010205181719.A22795@ebios.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.13i Hello, some two years ago I announced that we will develop an OPI server which then will be offered under the GPL. Now it's ready. And it's an Open Project. If someone is interested in, she/he can read something about it on http://opi3.ebios.de Yours, Volker Birk -- *** ebios Informationssysteme, Germany *** vb@kangu:~ $ cd /pub/ *** Gut-Betha-Platz 1, 88339 Bad Waldsee *** vb@kangu:/pub $ more beer *** Phone +49-7524-93421 Fax +49-7524-93423 *** Aaahhhh! That was good! *** mailto:vb@ebios.de *** vb@kangu:/pub $ _ From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Mon Feb 5 12:27:57 2001 Return-Path: Received: from funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.27]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id MAA15880 for ; Mon, 5 Feb 2001 12:27:57 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id MAA29358 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Mon, 5 Feb 2001 12:27:50 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id MAA29342 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Mon, 5 Feb 2001 12:27:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.greatbasin.net (mail.greatbasin.net [207.228.35.39]) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id MAA29325 for ; Mon, 5 Feb 2001 12:27:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from [172.16.1.6] (rno-dsl0b-131.gbis.net [216.82.145.131]) by mail.greatbasin.net (8.9.3-MySQL-0.2.3b/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA06163 for ; Mon, 5 Feb 2001 09:27:54 -0800 (PST) User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2001 09:27:57 -0800 Subject: Re: CRLF fun stuff again... From: Jeremy Buchmann To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit >> Jeremy writes: >>> Hello, >>> I have just installed netatalk 1.4b2 and cannot get it to do the >>> CRLF->LF translation when copying files from a Mac to my Linux machine. >> >>> ... >> >>> The files I copy over are text files with the .txt extension generated by >>> Visual FoxPro (FOXX). Any ideas? >> >> This is (as far as I'm concerned) the single biggest bug in netatalk. >> >> The problem is that the cr/lf translation only happens when netatalk >> sees that the file is text before it is written. Unfortunately, since >> MacOS 8, the Finder doesn't set the file type to TEXT until after the >> copy is finished. Thus no cr/lf conversion. >> >> etc... > > There has been a lot of discussion of the CR/LF translations on this list. > > If I may add my two cents, I think it's a bad idea for the filesystem to > effectively blindly fondle and convert the data. There are plenty of tools > out there, like bbedit, that handle text files regardless of how their > line endings are done. > > The downside of a problem with the CR/LF "feature" is irretrievably corrupted > data. What you get for this is arguably a minor "convenience". > > I think it's a bad trade. Not for me. Here, we would only be copying text files, so I would like the option to blindly convert all files whether netatalk thinks they are text or not. After all, who knows better, netatalk or me? If we can't blindly convert, we'll just have to stick to fetch. Oh well. --Jeremy From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Mon Feb 5 12:38:05 2001 Return-Path: Received: from kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.25]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id MAA16607 for ; Mon, 5 Feb 2001 12:38:05 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id MAA05640 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Mon, 5 Feb 2001 12:38:05 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id MAA05611 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Mon, 5 Feb 2001 12:38:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from www.molbio.wisc.edu (www.molbio.wisc.edu [144.92.19.124]) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with SMTP id MAA05564 for ; Mon, 5 Feb 2001 12:38:04 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 17100 invoked by uid 500); 5 Feb 2001 17:38:15 -0000 Received: from localhost (sendmail-bs@127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 5 Feb 2001 17:38:15 -0000 Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2001 11:38:15 -0600 (CST) From: "Daniel E. Lautenschleger" To: Volker Birk cc: Subject: Re: OPI Server ready In-Reply-To: <20010205181719.A22795@ebios.de> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII What is OPI? -Dan On Mon, 5 Feb 2001, Volker Birk wrote: > Hello, > > some two years ago I announced that we will develop an OPI server which > then will be offered under the GPL. > > Now it's ready. And it's an Open Project. > > If someone is interested in, she/he can read something about it on > > http://opi3.ebios.de > > Yours, > Volker Birk > -- Daniel E. Lautenschleger University of Wisconsin R.M. Bock Laboratories Network Administrator and Computer Support dan@www.molbio.wisc.edu From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Mon Feb 5 13:14:59 2001 Return-Path: Received: from funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.27]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id NAA17816 for ; Mon, 5 Feb 2001 13:14:59 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id NAA25106 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Mon, 5 Feb 2001 13:14:49 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id NAA25088 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Mon, 5 Feb 2001 13:14:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from femail9.sdc1.sfba.home.com (femail9.sdc1.sfba.home.com [24.0.95.89]) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id NAA24928 for ; Mon, 5 Feb 2001 13:14:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from [192.168.0.27] ([24.7.223.67]) by femail9.sdc1.sfba.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.00 201-229-121) with ESMTP id <20010205181447.CZSE20293.femail9.sdc1.sfba.home.com@[192.168.0.27]> for ; Mon, 5 Feb 2001 10:14:47 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: ralph99@mail.voicenet.com Message-Id: Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2001 13:14:53 -0500 To: netatalk-admins@umich.edu From: Ralph Dratman Subject: Building 1.5pre3 for FreeBSD Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Hello. I am using FreeBSD 3.3 and have Netatalk 4.2 working. Mostly it seems fine. However, there is a problem with certain directories when brought up on a Mac. At first there are many items, then the items "flicker" and mostly disappear, leaving only a few folders and a file called "[". I mentioned this on a FreeBSD list and someone said he'd seen a similar problem and suggested I install the latest version of Netatalk. I downloaded 1.5pre3 and tried to follow the build instructions from the README, which go like this: 1. Set DESTDIR in the root Makefile. DESTDIR is the directory below which all binaries will be installed. Setting it causes all installation-relative pathnames to be set correctly... 2. When you've completed the configuration, type "make" at the root of the source. This will make all binaries. ... I looked for Makefile and found instead Makefile.am and Makefile.in. Makefile.am contained a line DESTDIR = which I changed to DESTDIR = /usr/local/ (Was this correct? Or should I have omitted the trailing slash?). Then I typed "make" and got back make: no target to make. Question: What did I do wrong and what should I do now? Thank you. Regards, Ralph Dratman From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Mon Feb 5 13:17:43 2001 Return-Path: Received: from kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.25]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id NAA18009 for ; Mon, 5 Feb 2001 13:17:43 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id NAA12614 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Mon, 5 Feb 2001 13:17:43 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id NAA12596 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Mon, 5 Feb 2001 13:17:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp.sfinteractive.com (smtp.sfinteractive.com [63.110.230.16]) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id NAA12577 for ; Mon, 5 Feb 2001 13:17:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (matisse@localhost) by smtp.sfinteractive.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA30577 for ; Mon, 5 Feb 2001 10:17:34 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: smtp.sfinteractive.com: matisse owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2001 10:17:34 -0800 (PST) From: Matisse Enzer X-Sender: matisse@smtp.sfinteractive.com To: netatalk-admins@umich.edu Subject: Guest users OK, real users can't get in Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hi folks, I've just installed netatalk v1.5 OS: RedHat linux 6.1 system (kernal: 2.2.12-20smp) Compiler: egcs-2.91.66 openssl: 0.9.6 I enabled shadow passwords by adding -DSHADOWPW to the CFLAGS in etc/afpd/Makefile I can connect fine as a guest, and read and write to the one default volume as a Guest (try it yourself: 64.2.37.200 ) Please Help ..... ;-) When I try and login from a Mac as a real user th Mac dialog box says the password is incorrect. /var/log/messages on the linux box shows: Feb 5 09:40:21 localhost afpd[16302]: ASIP session:548(1) from 64.161.158.2:52687(2) Feb 5 09:40:21 localhost afpd[16302]: dhx login: matisse Feb 5 09:40:22 localhost afpd[16302]: 0.18KB read, 0.13KB written Feb 5 09:40:22 localhost afpd[16244]: server_child[1] 16302 done Here's a chucnk of the log file, from afpd start up through trying to conect as a "real" user, and then as a guest: Feb 5 08:27:07 localhost papd[16222]: restart (1.5) Feb 5 08:27:07 localhost atalk: papd startup succeeded Feb 5 08:27:07 localhost atalk: timelord startup succeeded Feb 5 08:27:08 localhost atalk: afpd startup succeeded Feb 5 08:27:13 localhost timelord[16233]: playroom:TimeLord started Feb 5 08:27:14 localhost afpd[16244]: playroom:AFPServer@* started on 65280.153:130 (1.5) Feb 5 08:27:14 localhost afpd[16244]: ASIP started on 127.0.0.1:548(1) (1.5) Feb 5 08:27:14 localhost afpd[16244]: uam: uams_guest.so loaded Feb 5 08:27:14 localhost afpd[16244]: uam: uams_clrtxt.so loaded Feb 5 08:27:14 localhost afpd[16244]: uam: uams_dhx.so loaded Feb 5 08:27:14 localhost afpd[16244]: uam: "DHCAST128" available Feb 5 08:27:14 localhost afpd[16244]: uam: "Cleartxt Passwrd" available Feb 5 08:27:14 localhost afpd[16244]: uam: "No User Authent" available Feb 5 08:28:08 localhost PAM_pwdb[5773]: (su) session closed for user root # attempt as a real user: Feb 5 09:40:15 localhost afpd[16301]: ASIP session:548(1) from 64.161.158.2:52619(2) Feb 5 09:40:15 localhost afpd[16244]: server_child[1] 16301 done Feb 5 09:40:21 localhost afpd[16302]: ASIP session:548(1) from 64.161.158.2:52687(2) Feb 5 09:40:21 localhost afpd[16302]: dhx login: matisse Feb 5 09:40:22 localhost afpd[16302]: 0.18KB read, 0.13KB written Feb 5 09:40:22 localhost afpd[16244]: server_child[1] 16302 done # attempt as a guest: Feb 5 10:18:54 localhost afpd[16481]: ASIP session:548(1) from 64.161.158.2:42497(2) Feb 5 10:18:54 localhost afpd[16471]: server_child[1] 16481 done Feb 5 10:18:57 localhost afpd[16482]: ASIP session:548(1) from 64.161.158.2:42523(2) Feb 5 10:18:57 localhost afpd[16482]: login noauth Feb 5 10:18:57 localhost afpd[16482]: login nobody (uid 99, gid 99) From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Mon Feb 5 13:31:18 2001 Return-Path: Received: from kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.25]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id NAA18336 for ; Mon, 5 Feb 2001 13:31:18 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id NAA05953 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Mon, 5 Feb 2001 13:31:18 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id NAA05925 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Mon, 5 Feb 2001 13:31:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from clmboh1-smtp3.columbus.rr.com (dhcp065-024-000-112.columbus.rr.com [65.24.0.112] (may be forged)) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id NAA05831 for ; Mon, 5 Feb 2001 13:31:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.iowna.com (dhcp065-024-023-038.columbus.rr.com [65.24.23.38]) by clmboh1-smtp3.columbus.rr.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id f15ISkr27809; Mon, 5 Feb 2001 13:28:47 -0500 (EST) Sender: wmoran@clmboh1-smtp3.columbus.rr.com Message-ID: <3A7EF0D3.6B1C2FCE@mail.iowna.com> Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2001 13:28:35 -0500 From: Bill Moran X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (X11; U; FreeBSD 4.2-STABLE i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Ralph Dratman CC: netatalk-admins@umich.edu Subject: Re: Building 1.5pre3 for FreeBSD References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Ralph Dratman wrote: > > Hello. > > I am using FreeBSD 3.3 and have Netatalk 4.2 working. > Mostly it seems fine. However, there is a problem with certain > directories when brought up on a Mac. At first there are many items, > then the items "flicker" and mostly disappear, leaving only a few > folders and a file called "[". You can also install the Netatalk version with asun patches to fix this. Although I've heard that the 1.5pre is even better. (advantage to the version with the asun patches is there's a FreeBSD port/package available, so installation is a snap) > I looked for Makefile and found instead Makefile.am and Makefile.in. > Makefile.am contained a line > > DESTDIR = > > which I changed to > > DESTDIR = /usr/local/ > > (Was this correct? Or should I have omitted the trailing slash?). > > Then I typed "make" and got back > > make: no target to make. > > Question: What did I do wrong and what should I do now? Seems like there should be a configure step in there. Try changing Makefile.am back the way it was, then enter "./configure" in the base directory of the Netatalk source. There should then be an actual "Makefile" that you can edit per the above instructions, and make should work after that. -Bill From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Mon Feb 5 13:43:05 2001 Return-Path: Received: from easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.26]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id NAA18663 for ; Mon, 5 Feb 2001 13:43:05 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id NAA10324 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Mon, 5 Feb 2001 13:43:05 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id NAA10294 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Mon, 5 Feb 2001 13:43:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from www.base2inc.com (www.base2inc.com [204.117.190.140]) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id NAA10254 for ; Mon, 5 Feb 2001 13:43:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from edison (edison.base2inc.com [206.229.85.132]) by www.base2inc.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id NAA16184; Mon, 5 Feb 2001 13:41:50 -0500 Message-ID: <014101c08fa3$8a818880$8455e5ce@edison> From: "Frank Morton" To: "Volker Birk" , References: <20010205181719.A22795@ebios.de> Subject: Re: OPI Server ready Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2001 13:43:32 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Good! Does it include utilities to make fpo images? > Hello, > > some two years ago I announced that we will develop an OPI server which > then will be offered under the GPL. > > Now it's ready. And it's an Open Project. > > If someone is interested in, she/he can read something about it on > > http://opi3.ebios.de > > Yours, > Volker Birk > -- > *** ebios Informationssysteme, Germany *** vb@kangu:~ $ cd /pub/ > *** Gut-Betha-Platz 1, 88339 Bad Waldsee *** vb@kangu:/pub $ more beer > *** Phone +49-7524-93421 Fax +49-7524-93423 *** Aaahhhh! That was good! > *** mailto:vb@ebios.de *** vb@kangu:/pub $ _ From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Mon Feb 5 13:52:19 2001 Return-Path: Received: from kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.25]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id NAA18844 for ; Mon, 5 Feb 2001 13:52:19 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id NAA10923 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Mon, 5 Feb 2001 13:52:19 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id NAA10876 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Mon, 5 Feb 2001 13:52:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from server.deanox.com (ns1.deanox.com [209.197.23.235]) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id NAA10837 for ; Mon, 5 Feb 2001 13:52:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from rygar.deanox.com (rygar.deanox.com [209.197.23.237]) by server.deanox.com (8.9.3/8.8.7) with SMTP id MAA19908; Mon, 5 Feb 2001 12:50:28 -0700 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20010205115200.0090a8d0@server.deanox.com> X-Sender: faxguy@server.deanox.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2001 11:52:00 -0700 To: Matisse Enzer , netatalk-admins@umich.edu From: Lee Howard Subject: Re: Guest users OK, real users can't get in In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 10:17 AM 2/5/01 -0800, Matisse Enzer wrote: >Hi folks, > >I've just installed netatalk v1.5 > >OS: RedHat linux 6.1 system (kernal: 2.2.12-20smp) >Compiler: egcs-2.91.66 >openssl: 0.9.6 > >I enabled shadow passwords by adding -DSHADOWPW to the CFLAGS in >etc/afpd/Makefile This doesn't work with v1.5. You need to "./configure --with-shadow" Lee. From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Mon Feb 5 16:08:20 2001 Return-Path: Received: from funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.27]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id QAA24438 for ; Mon, 5 Feb 2001 16:08:20 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id QAA01450 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Mon, 5 Feb 2001 16:08:13 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id QAA01429 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Mon, 5 Feb 2001 16:08:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from femail8.sdc1.sfba.home.com (femail8.sdc1.sfba.home.com [24.0.95.88]) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id QAA01404 for ; Mon, 5 Feb 2001 16:08:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from [192.168.0.27] ([24.7.223.67]) by femail8.sdc1.sfba.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.00 201-229-121) with ESMTP id <20010205210818.PDMD26894.femail8.sdc1.sfba.home.com@[192.168.0.27]>; Mon, 5 Feb 2001 13:08:18 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: ralph99@mail.voicenet.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3A7EF0D3.6B1C2FCE@mail.iowna.com> References: <3A7EF0D3.6B1C2FCE@mail.iowna.com> Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2001 16:08:15 -0500 To: netatalk-admins@umich.edu From: Ralph Dratman Subject: Re: Building 1.5pre3 for FreeBSD Cc: Bill Moran Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Bill, Thanks much for your reply. At 1:28 PM -0500 2/5/01, Bill Moran wrote: >You can also install the Netatalk version with asun patches to fix this. >Although I've heard that the 1.5pre is even better. (advantage to the >version with the asun patches is there's a FreeBSD port/package >available, so installation is a snap) Where would I get the "version with asun patches" as a FreeBSD package? And what version number or other identifier would I want to look for? Regards, Ralph Dratman From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Mon Feb 5 16:53:44 2001 Return-Path: Received: from kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.25]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id QAA26361 for ; Mon, 5 Feb 2001 16:53:44 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id QAA10933 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Mon, 5 Feb 2001 16:53:44 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id QAA10898 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Mon, 5 Feb 2001 16:53:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from clmboh1-smtp3.columbus.rr.com (dhcp065-024-000-112.columbus.rr.com [65.24.0.112] (may be forged)) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id QAA10850 for ; Mon, 5 Feb 2001 16:53:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.iowna.com (dhcp065-024-023-038.columbus.rr.com [65.24.23.38]) by clmboh1-smtp3.columbus.rr.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id f15LpCr11015; Mon, 5 Feb 2001 16:51:12 -0500 (EST) Sender: wmoran@clmboh1-smtp3.columbus.rr.com Message-ID: <3A7F2045.FCFC1F9C@mail.iowna.com> Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2001 16:51:01 -0500 From: Bill Moran X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (X11; U; FreeBSD 4.2-STABLE i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Ralph Dratman CC: netatalk-admins@umich.edu Subject: Re: Building 1.5pre3 for FreeBSD References: <3A7EF0D3.6B1C2FCE@mail.iowna.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Ralph Dratman wrote: > At 1:28 PM -0500 2/5/01, Bill Moran wrote: > >You can also install the Netatalk version with asun patches to fix this. > >Although I've heard that the 1.5pre is even better. (advantage to the > >version with the asun patches is there's a FreeBSD port/package > >available, so installation is a snap) > > Where would I get the "version with asun patches" as a FreeBSD > package? And what version number or other identifier would I want to > look for? netatalk-1.4b2+asun2.1.3_1 is the version you're looking for. If you want the package find it on this page: http://www.freebsd.org/ports/net.html There's a link straight to the binary tarball on that page. Once downloaded you can installed it with pkg_add(1) You can also go to the /usr/ports/net/netatalk-asun/ directory and do "make install" if you have the ports tree. I want to reiterate that others on this list have commented that 1.5pre is more reliable than 1.4+asun. Personally, I have no experience with 1.5pre so I can't compare the two, but you may want to look at both. -Bill From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Mon Feb 5 17:00:31 2001 Return-Path: Received: from funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.27]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id RAA26634 for ; Mon, 5 Feb 2001 17:00:31 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id RAA03131 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Mon, 5 Feb 2001 17:00:24 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id RAA03066 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Mon, 5 Feb 2001 17:00:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from clmboh1-smtp3.columbus.rr.com (dhcp065-024-000-112.columbus.rr.com [65.24.0.112] (may be forged)) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id RAA03010 for ; Mon, 5 Feb 2001 17:00:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.iowna.com (dhcp065-024-023-038.columbus.rr.com [65.24.23.38]) by clmboh1-smtp3.columbus.rr.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id f15Lvxr14382; Mon, 5 Feb 2001 16:58:00 -0500 (EST) Sender: wmoran@clmboh1-smtp3.columbus.rr.com Message-ID: <3A7F21DF.B58C59CB@mail.iowna.com> Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2001 16:57:51 -0500 From: Bill Moran X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (X11; U; FreeBSD 4.2-STABLE i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Ralph Dratman CC: netatalk-admins@umich.edu Subject: Almost forgot (was Re: Building 1.5pre3 for FreeBSD) References: <3A7EF0D3.6B1C2FCE@mail.iowna.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Ralph Dratman wrote: > At 1:28 PM -0500 2/5/01, Bill Moran wrote: > >You can also install the Netatalk version with asun patches to fix this. > >Although I've heard that the 1.5pre is even better. (advantage to the > >version with the asun patches is there's a FreeBSD port/package > >available, so installation is a snap) > > Where would I get the "version with asun patches" as a FreeBSD > package? And what version number or other identifier would I want to > look for? As a side note ... I noticed that the startup script that gets installed in /usr/local/etc/rc.d is broken. It's basically missing the "#!/bin/sh" at the beginning of the file and therefore it doesn't execute (and therefore Netatalk doesn't start up at system boot) Now that I've been reminded of this I'll notify the port maintainer as well so he/she/it can fix it. -Bill From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Mon Feb 5 18:21:37 2001 Return-Path: Received: from funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.27]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id SAA29538 for ; Mon, 5 Feb 2001 18:21:37 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id SAA16263 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Mon, 5 Feb 2001 18:21:30 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id SAA16260 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Mon, 5 Feb 2001 18:21:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp.sfinteractive.com (smtp.sfinteractive.com [63.110.230.16]) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id SAA16244 for ; Mon, 5 Feb 2001 18:21:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (matisse@localhost) by smtp.sfinteractive.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA15513; Mon, 5 Feb 2001 15:21:29 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: smtp.sfinteractive.com: matisse owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2001 15:21:29 -0800 (PST) From: Matisse Enzer X-Sender: matisse@smtp.sfinteractive.com To: Lee Howard cc: netatalk-admins@umich.edu Subject: Re: Guest users OK, real users can't get in In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.20010205115200.0090a8d0@server.deanox.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Thanks. That did it. By the way, I also had to add: -L/usr/local/ssl/lib to {sourcedir}/etc/uams/Makefile So I have: ---------------------------------------cut here------------------------ .c.so: $(COMPILE) -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -fPIC -DPIC \ -I$(top_srcdir) -fomit-frame-pointer -c $< ; \ $(LD) -shared $(LDSHAREDFLAGS) -o $@ $*.o $(LIBS) \ -L/usr/local/ssl/lib ---------------------------------------cut here------------------------ On Mon, 5 Feb 2001, Lee Howard wrote: > At 10:17 AM 2/5/01 -0800, Matisse Enzer wrote: > >Hi folks, > > > >I've just installed netatalk v1.5 > > > >OS: RedHat linux 6.1 system (kernal: 2.2.12-20smp) > >Compiler: egcs-2.91.66 > >openssl: 0.9.6 > > > >I enabled shadow passwords by adding -DSHADOWPW to the CFLAGS in > >etc/afpd/Makefile > > This doesn't work with v1.5. You need to "./configure --with-shadow" > > Lee. > From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Mon Feb 5 19:29:06 2001 Return-Path: Received: from easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.26]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id TAA00853 for ; Mon, 5 Feb 2001 19:29:06 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id TAA00819 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Mon, 5 Feb 2001 19:29:06 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id TAA00798 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Mon, 5 Feb 2001 19:29:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from sss.pgh.pa.us (sss.pgh.pa.us [209.114.132.154]) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id TAA00766 for ; Mon, 5 Feb 2001 19:29:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from sss2.sss.pgh.pa.us (tgl@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by sss.pgh.pa.us (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id f160T3918824 for ; Mon, 5 Feb 2001 19:29:03 -0500 (EST) To: netatalk-admins@umich.edu Subject: atalkd fails to communicate with existing router Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2001 19:29:03 -0500 Message-ID: <18821.981419343@sss.pgh.pa.us> From: Tom Lane Hi folks, I'm sure this has come up before, but I couldn't find anything about it after some digging in the archives. I'm trying to bring up netatalk on LinuxPPC 2000-Q4 (kernel 2.2.18, netatalk-1.4b2+asun2.1.3-7 RPM). It's running on a Powerbook G3 (Pismo) which is connected via an Apple AirPort card to a local Ethernet LAN (the AirPort base station is running AirPort 1.2 if that matters). Also attached to the LAN is a Netopia 435 ISDN router, which has both LAN and PhoneNet ports; the Netopia acts as a seeding router for the AppleTalk network. Or it's supposed to, anyway. This all works great when I boot MacOS on the Powerbook, but atalkd does not seem to manage to communicate with the Netopia. Here are the relevant /var/log/messages entries: Feb 5 18:57:41 g3 kernel: NET4: AppleTalk 0.18 for Linux NET4.0 Feb 5 18:57:41 g3 atalkd[652]: restart (1.4b2+asun2.1.3) Feb 5 18:57:42 g3 atalkd[652]: zip_getnetinfo for airport Feb 5 18:57:48 g3 atalkd[652]: zip_getnetinfo for airport Feb 5 18:58:08 g3 last message repeated 4 times Feb 5 18:58:11 g3 atalkd[652]: config for no router Feb 5 18:58:12 g3 atalkd[652]: ready 0/0/0 Feb 5 18:58:12 g3 atalk: atalkd startup succeeded Feb 5 18:58:18 g3 atalkd[652]: rtmp_packet router has become available Feb 5 18:58:18 g3 atalkd[652]: zip_getnetinfo for airport Feb 5 18:58:21 g3 atalkd[652]: zip_getnetinfo for airport Feb 5 18:58:26 g3 atalk: afpd startup succeeded Feb 5 18:58:28 g3 atalkd[652]: zip_getnetinfo for airport Feb 5 18:58:31 g3 atalkd[652]: zip_getnetinfo for airport Feb 5 18:58:36 g3 afpd[794]: Can't register g3:AFPServer@* Feb 5 18:58:36 g3 afpd[794]: ASIP started on 192.168.168.12:548(0) (1.4b2+asun2.1.3) [ yes, 192.168.168.12 is the IP address assigned to the Powerbook ] Feb 5 18:58:38 g3 atalkd[652]: zip_getnetinfo for airport Feb 5 18:58:41 g3 atalkd[652]: zip_getnetinfo for airport Feb 5 18:58:48 g3 atalkd[652]: zip_getnetinfo for airport Feb 5 18:58:51 g3 atalkd[652]: config for no router Feb 5 18:58:58 g3 atalkd[652]: rtmp_packet router has become available Feb 5 18:58:58 g3 atalkd[652]: zip_getnetinfo for airport Feb 5 18:59:28 g3 last message repeated 6 times Feb 5 18:59:31 g3 atalkd[652]: config for no router Feb 5 18:59:38 g3 atalkd[652]: rtmp_packet router has become available Feb 5 18:59:38 g3 atalkd[652]: zip_getnetinfo for airport Feb 5 18:59:51 g3 last message repeated 3 times Feb 5 18:59:58 g3 atalkd[652]: zip_getnetinfo for airport Feb 5 19:00:08 g3 last message repeated 2 times Feb 5 19:00:11 g3 atalkd[652]: config for no router Feb 5 19:00:18 g3 atalkd[652]: rtmp_packet router has become available Feb 5 19:00:18 g3 atalkd[652]: zip_getnetinfo for airport Feb 5 19:00:48 g3 last message repeated 6 times Feb 5 19:00:51 g3 atalkd[652]: config for no router Feb 5 19:00:58 g3 atalkd[652]: rtmp_packet router has become available Feb 5 19:00:58 g3 atalkd[652]: zip_getnetinfo for airport ... etc etc in an endless loop ... It looks to me like atalkd may be hearing the RTMP packets that the Netopia broadcasts (what else would cause it to repeat the configuration cycle like that?) but it doesn't manage to acquire the correct network numbers. The actual configuration of the Appletalk network, as shown by CheckNet when the Powerbook is booted into MacOS, is: CheckNET 6:55 PM 2/5/01 Device List Number of entries = 8 Name Type Zone Net Node Skt Enum 192.168.168.2 IPGATEWAY AppleTalk 36332 149 72 1 AccelaWriter 8100 LaserWriter AppleTalk 36332 130 128 0 G3 ARA - Personal Server AppleTalk 257 132 2 0 G3 Workstation AppleTalk 257 132 4 0 G3 Multi-User Client AppleTalk 257 132 48 0 G3 EPSON IJ Notification AppleTalk 257 132 250 0 G3 Power Macintosh AppleTalk 257 132 252 0 Netopia 455-U #26358 Netopia Router AppleTalk 257 150 100 1 but atalkd doesn't see these network numbers; what it selects and writes into atalkd.conf is airport -phase 2 -net 0-65534 -addr 65280.15 None of the basic lookup/troubleshooting tools seem to work; for example getzones just sits for about ten seconds and says atp_rresp: Connection timed out And, as you can see from the log messages, registering NBP names doesn't work, nor does looking them up. BTW, regular TCP across the airport card works fine. I can even 'ping' the Netopia from the Powerbook. It's just Appletalk over IP that's busted. It's probably some stupid configuration error on my part, but I'm stuck. Any ideas? regards, tom lane From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Tue Feb 6 01:28:01 2001 Return-Path: Received: from kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.25]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id BAA11477 for ; Tue, 6 Feb 2001 01:28:01 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id BAA09752 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Tue, 6 Feb 2001 01:28:01 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id BAA09732 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Tue, 6 Feb 2001 01:28:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from sss.pgh.pa.us (sss.pgh.pa.us [209.114.132.154]) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id BAA09688 for ; Tue, 6 Feb 2001 01:27:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from sss2.sss.pgh.pa.us (tgl@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by sss.pgh.pa.us (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id f166Rw923823 for ; Tue, 6 Feb 2001 01:27:58 -0500 (EST) To: netatalk-admins@umich.edu Subject: Re: atalkd fails to communicate with existing router In-reply-to: <18821.981419343@sss.pgh.pa.us> References: <18821.981419343@sss.pgh.pa.us> Comments: In-reply-to Tom Lane message dated "Mon, 05 Feb 2001 19:29:03 -0500" Date: Tue, 06 Feb 2001 01:27:58 -0500 Message-ID: <23820.981440878@sss.pgh.pa.us> From: Tom Lane I wrote: > Feb 5 19:00:11 g3 atalkd[652]: config for no router > Feb 5 19:00:18 g3 atalkd[652]: rtmp_packet router has become available > Feb 5 19:00:18 g3 atalkd[652]: zip_getnetinfo for airport > Feb 5 19:00:48 g3 last message repeated 6 times > Feb 5 19:00:51 g3 atalkd[652]: config for no router > Feb 5 19:00:58 g3 atalkd[652]: rtmp_packet router has become available > Feb 5 19:00:58 g3 atalkd[652]: zip_getnetinfo for airport > ... etc etc in an endless loop ... Further experimentation shows that atalkd works fine if I use a hardwired connection to the LAN and configure atalkd to the eth0 interface. It just doesn't like the airport card. I suspect a compatibility problem with the airport driver (which is v0.9.3 of Ben Herrenschmidt's Airport WaveLAN/IEEE driver). The above-quoted symptoms seem to indicate a problem in sending broadcast Appletalk packets. Looking at the airport module source code, I note a history of endianness bugs; I wonder if there is one more that affects only appletalk packets and not IP packets? regards, tom lane From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Tue Feb 6 02:13:30 2001 Return-Path: Received: from kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.25]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id CAA12143 for ; Tue, 6 Feb 2001 02:13:30 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id CAA00669 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Tue, 6 Feb 2001 02:13:30 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id CAA00641 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Tue, 6 Feb 2001 02:13:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from kanguruh.ebios.de (kanguruh.ebios.de [195.126.148.2]) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id CAA00573 for ; Tue, 6 Feb 2001 02:13:28 -0500 (EST) Received: (from vb@localhost) by kanguruh.ebios.de (8.11.0/8.8.8) id f167DNq24768; Tue, 6 Feb 2001 08:13:23 +0100 From: Volker Birk Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2001 08:13:23 +0100 To: "Daniel E. Lautenschleger" Cc: Volker Birk , Subject: Re: OPI Server ready Message-ID: <20010206081323.A24665@ebios.de> References: <20010205181719.A22795@ebios.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.13i In-Reply-To: ; from dan@www.molbio.wisc.edu on Mon, Feb 05, 2001 at 11:38:15AM -0600 On Mon, Feb 05, 2001 at 11:38:15AM -0600, Daniel E. Lautenschleger wrote: > What is OPI? Read this page? VB. -- *** ebios Informationssysteme, Germany *** vb@kangu:~ $ cd /pub/ *** Gut-Betha-Platz 1, 88339 Bad Waldsee *** vb@kangu:/pub $ more beer *** Phone +49-7524-93421 Fax +49-7524-93423 *** Aaahhhh! That was good! *** mailto:vb@ebios.de *** vb@kangu:/pub $ _ From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Tue Feb 6 02:14:28 2001 Return-Path: Received: from funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.27]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id CAA12165 for ; Tue, 6 Feb 2001 02:14:28 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id CAA22859 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Tue, 6 Feb 2001 02:14:21 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id CAA22846 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Tue, 6 Feb 2001 02:14:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from kanguruh.ebios.de (kanguruh.ebios.de [195.126.148.2]) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id CAA22828 for ; Tue, 6 Feb 2001 02:14:18 -0500 (EST) Received: (from vb@localhost) by kanguruh.ebios.de (8.11.0/8.8.8) id f167ELX25006; Tue, 6 Feb 2001 08:14:21 +0100 From: Volker Birk Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2001 08:14:21 +0100 To: "Frank Morton" Cc: "Volker Birk" , Subject: Re: OPI Server ready Message-ID: <20010206081421.B24665@ebios.de> References: <20010205181719.A22795@ebios.de> <014101c08fa3$8a818880$8455e5ce@edison> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.13i In-Reply-To: <014101c08fa3$8a818880$8455e5ce@edison>; from fmorton@base2inc.com on Mon, Feb 05, 2001 at 01:43:32PM -0500 On Mon, Feb 05, 2001 at 01:43:32PM -0500, Frank Morton wrote: > Good! Does it include utilities to make fpo images? What are fpo images? VB. -- *** ebios Informationssysteme, Germany *** vb@kangu:~ $ cd /pub/ *** Gut-Betha-Platz 1, 88339 Bad Waldsee *** vb@kangu:/pub $ more beer *** Phone +49-7524-93421 Fax +49-7524-93423 *** Aaahhhh! That was good! *** mailto:vb@ebios.de *** vb@kangu:/pub $ _ From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Tue Feb 6 02:48:46 2001 Return-Path: Received: from kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.25]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id CAA12736 for ; Tue, 6 Feb 2001 02:48:46 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id CAA27533 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Tue, 6 Feb 2001 02:48:45 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id CAA27504 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Tue, 6 Feb 2001 02:48:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from c017.sfo.cp.net (c017-h020.c017.sfo.cp.net [209.228.12.234]) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with SMTP id CAA27442 for ; Tue, 6 Feb 2001 02:48:43 -0500 (EST) Received: (cpmta 5335 invoked from network); 5 Feb 2001 23:48:42 -0800 Received: from www.waaaow.com (HELO ?192.168.0.50?) (207.171.221.217) by smtp.terrascope.com (209.228.12.234) with SMTP; 5 Feb 2001 23:48:42 -0800 X-Sent: 6 Feb 2001 07:48:42 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20010206081323.A24665@ebios.de> References: <20010205181719.A22795@ebios.de> <20010206081323.A24665@ebios.de> Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2001 23:51:15 -0800 To: netatalk-admins@umich.edu From: Walt Reed Subject: Re: OPI Server ready Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" >On Mon, Feb 05, 2001 at 11:38:15AM -0600, Daniel E. Lautenschleger wrote: >> What is OPI? > >Read this page? obstructing potential integrators, maybe? -w > >VB. >-- >*** ebios Informationssysteme, Germany *** vb@kangu:~ $ cd /pub/ >*** Gut-Betha-Platz 1, 88339 Bad Waldsee *** vb@kangu:/pub $ more beer >*** Phone +49-7524-93421 Fax +49-7524-93423 *** Aaahhhh! That was good! >*** mailto:vb@ebios.de *** vb@kangu:/pub $ _ From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Tue Feb 6 03:06:30 2001 Return-Path: Received: from funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.27]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id DAA12937 for ; Tue, 6 Feb 2001 03:06:30 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id DAA09223 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Tue, 6 Feb 2001 03:06:23 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id DAA09207 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Tue, 6 Feb 2001 03:06:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from mcfeely.interaccess.com (from.interaccess.com [207.208.131.20]) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id DAA09203 for ; Tue, 6 Feb 2001 03:06:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from [192.168.1.118] (a10.240.208.207.ded25.interaccess.com [207.208.240.10]) by mcfeely.interaccess.com (8.10.2/8.10.2) with ESMTP id f1686Rf07302 for ; Tue, 6 Feb 2001 02:06:28 -0600 (CST) User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Tue, 06 Feb 2001 02:06:28 -0600 Subject: Re: OPI Server ready From: "Bruce A. Burdick, Jr." To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20010206081421.B24665@ebios.de> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit If I recall correctly, in the publishing industry an OPI server is one that swaps high resolution images for low resolution images (often called "FPO"s for "For Placement Only"). I guess the connection to netatalk is that Macs have been big in publishing and a cheap Linux box with netatalk and a good open source OPI server would make for an interesting bargain. I don't remember what OPI stands for (Open Press Interface?). -B... > From: Volker Birk > Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2001 08:14:21 +0100 > To: "Frank Morton" > Cc: "Volker Birk" , > Subject: Re: OPI Server ready > Resent-From: netatalk-admins@umich.edu > Resent-Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2001 02:19:07 -0500 (EST) > > On Mon, Feb 05, 2001 at 01:43:32PM -0500, Frank Morton wrote: >> Good! Does it include utilities to make fpo images? > > What are fpo images? > > VB. > -- > *** ebios Informationssysteme, Germany *** vb@kangu:~ $ cd /pub/ > *** Gut-Betha-Platz 1, 88339 Bad Waldsee *** vb@kangu:/pub $ more beer > *** Phone +49-7524-93421 Fax +49-7524-93423 *** Aaahhhh! That was good! > *** mailto:vb@ebios.de *** vb@kangu:/pub $ _ > From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Tue Feb 6 03:47:10 2001 Return-Path: Received: from funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.27]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id DAA13858 for ; Tue, 6 Feb 2001 03:47:10 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id DAA29214 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Tue, 6 Feb 2001 03:47:03 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id DAA29203 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Tue, 6 Feb 2001 03:47:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from postal.interaccess.com (from.interaccess.com [207.208.131.20]) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id DAA29193 for ; Tue, 6 Feb 2001 03:47:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from [192.168.1.118] (a10.240.208.207.ded25.interaccess.com [207.208.240.10]) by postal.interaccess.com (8.10.2/8.10.2) with ESMTP id f168l4119971 for ; Tue, 6 Feb 2001 02:47:04 -0600 (CST) User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Tue, 06 Feb 2001 02:47:05 -0600 Subject: Encrypted logins, configuration, The Chooser, etc. From: "Bruce A. Burdick, Jr." To: Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit I've perused the archives, but have mostly seen quick jots and morsels, all assuming quite a bit of pre-existing context. Let's assemble the full story on encrypted logins and netatalk. I'd like to see a robust how-to that leaves nothing unsaid. How about you? What are the various methods for encrypted logins supported by netatalk? In which versions? What are the advantages/disadvantages of these? Which of them are older/newer technologies? Which are weak/fading? Which are robust? What are the various methods for encrypted logins supported by The Chooser? In which versions? How does netatalk need to be compiled to support the various methods? How does this differ among the versions? How does netatalk need to be configured to support the various methods? How does this differ among the versions? Do any end-to-end secure solutions exist? (i.e. no clear text passwords stored or transmitted) What are they? How (in detail) are they installed and configured? What is netatalk 1.5 promising in this regard? What remains to be implemented or fixed? What is not slated for development before the next version? (1.6?) Any other questions I missed? I know some of the answers to these. But perhaps you know and can explain them better. Or perhaps you have additional insights. My reason for asking all this: I want to be able to login (with full encryption, of course) from a Macintosh to a netatalk server over TCP/IP. I'm running netatalk-1.4b2+asun2.1.3-8 on LinuxPPC 2000 (2.2.15pre3) and netatalk-1.4b2+asun2.1.3-7 on LinuxPPC 2000 Q4 (2.2.18), and the shipping version on OpenBSD 2.8 i386 (netatalk-990130.tgz). I've tried a few times to get encrypted logins working, all to no avail. I'm not looking for a quick fix. I'd really like to get a solid picture of the options and issues in my head. I think a set of the best answers to the above questions will make my life a lot easier, and probably many of yours as well. Anyone want to take a crack at these? Lastly, to you fellas who've picked up the netatalk ball and put it back into development: thank you! -B... From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Tue Feb 6 14:25:40 2001 Return-Path: Received: from kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.25]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id OAA27540 for ; Tue, 6 Feb 2001 14:25:40 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id OAA24887 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Tue, 6 Feb 2001 14:25:40 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id OAA24863 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Tue, 6 Feb 2001 14:25:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from smart.visp-europe.psi.com (smart.visp-europe.psi.com [212.222.105.5]) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id OAA24812 for ; Tue, 6 Feb 2001 14:25:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from n243-44.berlin.snafu.de ([195.21.243.44] helo=athlet.deltaman.de) by smart.visp-europe.psi.com with esmtp (Exim 3.22 #1) id 14QDk6-0001wV-00 for netatalk-admins@umich.edu; Tue, 06 Feb 2001 20:25:34 +0100 Received: from athlet (root@athlet.deltaman.de [192.168.1.1]) by athlet.deltaman.de (8.9.3/8.9.3/SuSE Linux 8.9.3-0.1) with SMTP id UAA10058 for ; Tue, 6 Feb 2001 20:24:45 +0100 From: Carsten Neumann Reply-To: deltor@snafu.de To: netatalk-admins@umich.edu Subject: Re: OPI Server ready Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2001 20:24:16 +0100 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.0.28] Content-Type: text/plain References: <20010205181719.A22795@ebios.de> <20010206081323.A24665@ebios.de> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <01020620231402.09678@athlet> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu id OAA27540 On Tue, 06 Feb 2001, Walt Reed wrote: > >On Mon, Feb 05, 2001 at 11:38:15AM -0600, Daniel E. Lautenschleger wrote: > >> What is OPI? > > > >Read this page? What page? > > obstructing potential integrators, maybe? > > -w > > > > >VB. Obscene Pornographic Intercourse? ;-) No: Open Prepress Interface! You have to dig a little harder to find it. Also http://opi3.ebios.de gives no hint. I found these docs: http://partners.adobe.com/asn/developer/PDFS/TN/5660.OPI_2.0.pdf http://partners.adobe.com/asn/developer/PDFS/TN/OPI_13.pdf Regards Carsten From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Tue Feb 6 14:54:35 2001 Return-Path: Received: from easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.26]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id OAA28599 for ; Tue, 6 Feb 2001 14:54:35 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id OAA22397 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Tue, 6 Feb 2001 14:54:35 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id OAA22372 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Tue, 6 Feb 2001 14:54:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from video1.avwashington.com (client-151-200-136-147.tag.com [151.200.136.147] (may be forged)) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id OAA22339 for ; Tue, 6 Feb 2001 14:54:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.avwashington.com (IDENT:root@crow.avwashington.com [192.168.0.6]) by video1.avwashington.com (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA22397; Tue, 6 Feb 2001 15:05:24 -0500 Sender: root@video1.avwashington.com Message-ID: <3A805612.B8650B14@mail.avwashington.com> Date: Tue, 06 Feb 2001 14:52:50 -0500 From: Chip Mefford Reply-To: cpm@avwashington.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.16-22 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: deltor@snafu.de CC: netatalk-admins@umich.edu Subject: Re: OPI Server ready References: <20010205181719.A22795@ebios.de> <20010206081323.A24665@ebios.de> <01020620231402.09678@athlet> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Carsten Neumann wrote: > > On Tue, 06 Feb 2001, Walt Reed wrote: > > >On Mon, Feb 05, 2001 at 11:38:15AM -0600, Daniel E. Lautenschleger wrote: > > >> What is OPI? > > > > > >Read this page? > > What page? > > > > obstructing potential integrators, maybe? > > > > > > > >VB. > Obscene Pornographic Intercourse? ;-) > > No: > Open Prepress Interface! No no no, Obtuse Pencilnecked Interlocutor From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Tue Feb 6 15:16:32 2001 Return-Path: Received: from easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.26]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id PAA29379 for ; Tue, 6 Feb 2001 15:16:32 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id PAA28362 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Tue, 6 Feb 2001 15:16:32 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id PAA28327 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Tue, 6 Feb 2001 15:16:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from neuman.interaccess.com (from.interaccess.com [207.208.131.20]) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id PAA28271 for ; Tue, 6 Feb 2001 15:16:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from [192.168.1.118] (a10.240.208.207.ded25.interaccess.com [207.208.240.10]) by neuman.interaccess.com (8.10.2/8.10.2) with ESMTP id f16KGS200204 for ; Tue, 6 Feb 2001 14:16:28 -0600 (CST) User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Tue, 06 Feb 2001 14:16:30 -0600 Subject: Re: OPI Server ready From: "Bruce A. Burdick, Jr." To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <01020620231402.09678@athlet> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit > From: Carsten Neumann > Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2001 20:24:16 +0100 > [...] > Open Prepress Interface! > > You have to dig a little harder to find it. > Also http://opi3.ebios.de gives no hint. > > I found these docs: > http://partners.adobe.com/asn/developer/PDFS/TN/5660.OPI_2.0.pdf > http://partners.adobe.com/asn/developer/PDFS/TN/OPI_13.pdf Here's a quote from the second PDF: "The Open Prepress Interface (OPI) is a collection of PostScript-language comment conventions that allows a page-layout program to use low or medium resolution TIFF images for layout and proofing, and have a prepress system or OPI server automatically substitute a high resolution TIFF or other image when the final film plates are generated. Both desktop prepress software and high-end prepress systems can use OPI comments to minimize network traffic and image storage requirements." -B... From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Tue Feb 6 15:44:21 2001 Return-Path: Received: from kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.25]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id PAA00061 for ; Tue, 6 Feb 2001 15:44:21 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id PAA28531 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Tue, 6 Feb 2001 15:44:20 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id PAA28506 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Tue, 6 Feb 2001 15:44:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from www.base2inc.com (www.base2inc.com [204.117.190.140]) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id PAA28463 for ; Tue, 6 Feb 2001 15:44:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from edison (edison.base2inc.com [206.229.85.132]) by www.base2inc.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id PAA30808; Tue, 6 Feb 2001 15:43:07 -0500 Message-ID: <006601c0907d$86366f40$8455e5ce@edison> From: "Frank Morton" To: "Volker Birk" Cc: References: <20010205181719.A22795@ebios.de> <014101c08fa3$8a818880$8455e5ce@edison> <20010206081421.B24665@ebios.de> Subject: Re: OPI Server ready Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2001 15:43:55 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 > On Mon, Feb 05, 2001 at 01:43:32PM -0500, Frank Morton wrote: > > Good! Does it include utilities to make fpo images? > > What are fpo images? Sorry for not explaining. "fpo" stands for "for position only" and on traditional opi systems it is a lower resolution version of the original image. The fpo image can be used for placement on screen and is sometimes able to be printed at the lower resolution. The opi server removes the fpo and substitutes the full resolution image. For those interested, here are some docs on adobe's site: http://partners.adobe.com/asn/developer/pdfs/tn/5660.OPI_2.0.pdf http://partners.adobe.com/asn/developer/pdfs/tn/OPI_13.pdf Frank Morton fmorton@base2inc.com From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Tue Feb 6 16:29:19 2001 Return-Path: Received: from funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.27]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id QAA01097 for ; Tue, 6 Feb 2001 16:29:19 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id QAA23672 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Tue, 6 Feb 2001 16:29:13 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id QAA23652 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Tue, 6 Feb 2001 16:29:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.martinwilliams.com ([209.46.88.88]) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id QAA23625 for ; Tue, 6 Feb 2001 16:29:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from mw2.martinwilliams.com (mw2.martinwilliams.com [206.147.200.104]) by mail.martinwilliams.com (8.11.0/8.11.0) with SMTP id f16LPZV16874 for ; Tue, 6 Feb 2001 15:25:36 -0600 (CST) Received: from mpls-Message_Server by mw2.martinwilliams.com with Novell_GroupWise; Tue, 06 Feb 2001 15:30:14 -0600 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.5 Date: Tue, 06 Feb 2001 15:29:58 -0600 From: "Matthew Foust" To: , Cc: Subject: Re: OPI Server ready Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu id QAA01097 http://www.xinet.com Xinet is founded by Scott Seabass who you might recognize as one of the authors of the Unix System Administration Hanbook, aka that red Unix book, now that purple Unix book. At any rate, they have, in my humble opinion, the best OPI package out there. They have great information on OPI and other prepress-related technologies on their website. Matthew Foust Technology Manager Martin/Williams Advertising 60 South Sixth Street, 28th Floor Minneapolis, MN 55402 TEL (612) 340-0800 FAX (612) 342-9700 mfoust@martinwilliams.com >>> "Frank Morton" 02/06/01 02:50PM >>> > On Mon, Feb 05, 2001 at 01:43:32PM -0500, Frank Morton wrote: > > Good! Does it include utilities to make fpo images? > > What are fpo images? Sorry for not explaining. "fpo" stands for "for position only" and on traditional opi systems it is a lower resolution version of the original image. The fpo image can be used for placement on screen and is sometimes able to be printed at the lower resolution. The opi server removes the fpo and substitutes the full resolution image. For those interested, here are some docs on adobe's site: http://partners.adobe.com/asn/developer/pdfs/tn/5660.OPI_2.0.pdf http://partners.adobe.com/asn/developer/pdfs/tn/OPI_13.pdf Frank Morton fmorton@base2inc.com From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Tue Feb 6 16:42:42 2001 Return-Path: Received: from funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.27]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id QAA01366 for ; Tue, 6 Feb 2001 16:42:42 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id QAA08104 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Tue, 6 Feb 2001 16:42:36 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id QAA08071 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Tue, 6 Feb 2001 16:42:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from kanguruh.ebios.de (kanguruh.ebios.de [195.126.148.2]) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id QAA08001 for ; Tue, 6 Feb 2001 16:42:33 -0500 (EST) Received: (from vb@localhost) by kanguruh.ebios.de (8.11.0/8.8.8) id f16LgUg30993; Tue, 6 Feb 2001 22:42:30 +0100 From: Volker Birk Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2001 22:42:29 +0100 To: "Matthew Foust" Cc: , , Subject: Re: OPI Server ready Message-ID: <20010206224228.A28425@ebios.de> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.13i In-Reply-To: ; from mfoust@martinwilliams.com on Tue, Feb 06, 2001 at 03:29:58PM -0600 On Tue, Feb 06, 2001 at 03:29:58PM -0600, Matthew Foust wrote: > http://www.xinet.com > Xinet is founded by Scott Seabass who you might recognize as one of the authors of the Unix System Administration Hanbook, aka that red Unix book, now that purple Unix book. At any rate, they have, in my humble opinion, the best OPI package out there. They have great information on OPI and other prepress-related technologies on their website. May be. But: netatalk is free. And: samba is free. And: lpr, plp and cups are free. And: ghostscript is free. And of course: opi3 is free. We created it to have this missing link. So you can have a prepress server system only with free software. VB. -- *** ebios Informationssysteme, Germany *** vb@kangu:~ $ cd /pub/ *** Gut-Betha-Platz 1, 88339 Bad Waldsee *** vb@kangu:/pub $ more beer *** Phone +49-7524-93421 Fax +49-7524-93423 *** Aaahhhh! That was good! *** mailto:vb@ebios.de *** vb@kangu:/pub $ _ From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Wed Feb 7 05:41:55 2001 Return-Path: Received: from changeofhabit.mr.itd.umich.edu (changeofhabit.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.144.17]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id FAA18806 for ; Wed, 7 Feb 2001 05:41:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.26] (may be forged)) by changeofhabit.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.2r) with ESMTP id CAA11876 for ; Wed, 7 Feb 2001 02:34:53 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id CAA21864 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Wed, 7 Feb 2001 02:31:31 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id CAA21853 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Wed, 7 Feb 2001 02:31:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from web3403.mail.yahoo.com (web3403.mail.yahoo.com [204.71.203.57]) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with SMTP id CAA21822 for ; Wed, 7 Feb 2001 02:31:29 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20010207073128.3909.qmail@web3403.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [24.176.79.249] by web3403.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 06 Feb 2001 23:31:28 PST Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2001 23:31:28 -0800 (PST) From: paul beard Subject: Old topic: no server in chooser, plus dual NIC issues To: netatalk-admins@umich.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I just crawled thru all the messages on this and can't find an answer yet. I have some related questions on how exactly you configure this beast. Problem #1: Here's what I have: 1.4b2+asun2.1.3, on redhat 7.0. Like many others, I see no resources in my chooser, though I can log in via IP address. In afpd.conf: blue -notcp -ddp -guest -loginmesg "Welcome, friend" This serves to disable TCP/IP just fine, but appletalk doesn't work either. So it's not too happy. setting the notcp to tcp or transall allows me to login. Problem #2: I have 2 NICs, with the one I don't bound to appletalk invariably so. since atalk.conf gets overwritten with each restart -- not mentioned in the docs -- I can't simply put "eth1" in that file. Here's some syslog droppings. Feb 6 23:25:02 gateway atalkd[11295]: config for no router Feb 6 23:25:03 gateway atalkd[11295]: ready 0/0/0 Feb 6 23:25:03 gateway atalk: atalkd startup succeeded Feb 6 23:25:16 gateway papd[11315]: restart (1.4b2+asun2.1.3) Feb 6 23:25:16 gateway atalk: papd startup succeeded Feb 6 23:25:16 gateway atalk: afpd startup succeeded Feb 6 23:25:22 gateway afpd[11325]: blue:AFPServer@* started on 65280.241:254 (1.4b2+asun2.1.3) Feb 6 23:25:22 gateway afpd[11325]: ASIP started on 192.168.2.1:548(2) (1.4b2+asun2.1.3) Feb 6 23:25:25 gateway afpd[11327]: ASIP session:548(2) from 192.168.2.4:28730(0) Feb 6 23:25:25 gateway afpd[11325]: server_child[1] 11327 done Feb 6 23:25:30 gateway afpd[11328]: ASIP session:548(2) from 192.168.2.4:28731(0) Feb 6 23:25:30 gateway PAM_unix[11328]: (system-auth) session opened for user paul by (uid=0) Feb 6 23:25:31 gateway afpd[11328]: 0.18KB read, 0.14KB written Feb 6 23:25:31 gateway afpd[11325]: server_child[1] 11328 done I am loading appletalk: [root@blue atalk]# lsmod | grep apple appletalk 18016 11 (autoclean) [root@blue atalk]# dmesg | grep Talk NET4: AppleTalk 0.18 for Linux NET4.0 nbplkup works. blue:AFPServer 65280.241:254 blue:netatalk 65280.241:4 blue:Workstation 65280.241:4 pink:Darwin 65365.60:128 [root@blue atalk]# getzones (doesn't) atp_rresp: Connection timed out Help? ===== -- Paul Beard 8040 27th Ave NE / Seattle WA 98115 206 529 8400 / 713 5671 (cell) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 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Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices. http://auctions.yahoo.com/ From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Wed Feb 7 09:27:28 2001 Return-Path: Received: from easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.26]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id JAA23011 for ; Wed, 7 Feb 2001 09:27:28 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id JAA00381 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Wed, 7 Feb 2001 09:27:28 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id JAA00361 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Wed, 7 Feb 2001 09:27:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from univrel.pr.uconn.edu (univrel.pr.uconn.edu [137.99.59.30]) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id JAA00332 for ; Wed, 7 Feb 2001 09:27:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from univrel.pr.uconn.edu (root@test.pr.uconn.edu [137.99.59.90]) by univrel.pr.uconn.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id JAA13267; Wed, 7 Feb 2001 09:27:24 -0500 Sender: root@univrel.pr.uconn.edu Message-ID: <3A815AE7.6CB14EC6@univrel.pr.uconn.edu> Date: Wed, 07 Feb 2001 09:25:43 -0500 From: jeff X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.0-0.14mdk i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Bill Moran CC: Ralph Dratman , netatalk-admins@umich.edu Subject: Re: Almost forgot (was Re: Building 1.5pre3 for FreeBSD) References: <3A7EF0D3.6B1C2FCE@mail.iowna.com> <3A7F21DF.B58C59CB@mail.iowna.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Bill Moran wrote: > > Ralph Dratman wrote: > > > At 1:28 PM -0500 2/5/01, Bill Moran wrote: > > >You can also install the Netatalk version with asun patches to fix this. > > >Although I've heard that the 1.5pre is even better. (advantage to the > > >version with the asun patches is there's a FreeBSD port/package > > >available, so installation is a snap) > > > > Where would I get the "version with asun patches" as a FreeBSD > > package? And what version number or other identifier would I want to > > look for? > > As a side note ... I noticed that the startup script that gets installed > in /usr/local/etc/rc.d is broken. It's basically missing the "#!/bin/sh" > at the beginning of the file and therefore it doesn't execute (and > therefore Netatalk doesn't start up at system boot) > Now that I've been reminded of this I'll notify the port maintainer as > well so he/she/it can fix it. Just committed your fix to the tree. Sorry about the wait. jeff From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Wed Feb 7 09:43:54 2001 Return-Path: Received: from kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.25]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id JAA23348 for ; Wed, 7 Feb 2001 09:43:54 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id JAA25136 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Wed, 7 Feb 2001 09:43:54 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id JAA25120 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Wed, 7 Feb 2001 09:43:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from univrel.pr.uconn.edu (univrel.pr.uconn.edu [137.99.59.30]) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id JAA25066 for ; Wed, 7 Feb 2001 09:43:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from univrel.pr.uconn.edu (root@test.pr.uconn.edu [137.99.59.90]) by univrel.pr.uconn.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id JAA13475; Wed, 7 Feb 2001 09:43:49 -0500 Sender: root@univrel.pr.uconn.edu Message-ID: <3A815EC0.C1C28F40@univrel.pr.uconn.edu> Date: Wed, 07 Feb 2001 09:42:08 -0500 From: jeff X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.0-0.14mdk i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Ralph Dratman CC: netatalk-admins@umich.edu Subject: Re: Building 1.5pre3 for FreeBSD References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Ralph Dratman wrote: > I am using FreeBSD 3.3 and have Netatalk 4.2 working. > Mostly it seems fine. However, there is a problem with certain > directories when brought up on a Mac. At first there are many items, > then the items "flicker" and mostly disappear, leaving only a few > folders and a file called "[". > > I mentioned this on a FreeBSD list and someone said he'd seen a > similar problem and suggested I install the latest version of > Netatalk. I downloaded 1.5pre3 and tried to follow the build > instructions from the README, which go like this: > > 1. Set DESTDIR in the root Makefile. DESTDIR is the directory below > which all binaries will be installed. Setting it causes all > installation-relative pathnames to be set correctly... > > 2. When you've completed the configuration, type "make" at the root of > the source. This will make all binaries. > > ... To avoid further confusion, I have updated the README in the netatalk distribution to include instructions on building with the ./configure system. jeff From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Wed Feb 7 18:02:51 2001 Return-Path: Received: from easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.26]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id SAA15625 for ; Wed, 7 Feb 2001 18:02:51 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id SAA21983 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Wed, 7 Feb 2001 18:02:51 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id SAA21968 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Wed, 7 Feb 2001 18:02:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from austin-jump.vircio.com ([216.30.106.234]) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with SMTP id SAA21932 for ; Wed, 7 Feb 2001 18:02:48 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 23619 invoked by uid 104); 7 Feb 2001 23:02:48 -0000 Received: from cwg-dated-1d02d580dd65c6e6@deepeddy.com by austin-jump.vircio.com with qmail-scanner-0.90 (uvscan: v4.0.50/v4115. . Clean. Processed in 0.305087 secs); 07/02/2001 17:02:47 Received: from deepeddy-austin.deepeddy.com (HELO deepeddy.vircio.com) ([10.254.254.253]) (envelope-sender ) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 7 Feb 2001 23:02:47 -0000 Received: (qmail 26822 invoked by alias); 7 Feb 2001 23:02:47 -0000 From: "Chris Garrigues" Received: (qmail 26806 invoked from network); 7 Feb 2001 23:02:46 -0000 Received: from deepeddy.vircio.com (HELO deepeddy.com) ([10.1.2.1]) (envelope-sender ) by deepeddy.vircio.com (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 7 Feb 2001 23:02:46 -0000 X-Mailer: exmh version 2.2_20000822 06/23/2000 with nmh-1.0.4 To: netatalk-admins@umich.edu Subject: "Another process changed the volume during the search..." X-Url: http://www.DeepEddy.Com/~cwg X-Image-Url: http://www.DeepEddy.Com/~cwg/chris.gif Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="==_Exmh_-2129532888P"; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Wed, 07 Feb 2001 17:02:46 -0600 Message-ID: <26803.981586966@deepeddy.com> Mail-Reply-To: cwg-dated-1d02d580dd65c6e6@DeepEddy.Com --==_Exmh_-2129532888P Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii One of the clients I've set up using netatalk is having a problem where when he attempts to use Sherlock to search a netatalk volume, he gets an alert with this message: Unable to search the volume "WCFileServer" Another process changed the volume during the search. Please wait for the process to finish and try again. He's running 9.0. I assume that another user updated something during his search. Am I right in this assumption? Is there anything I can do about this? Chris -- Chris Garrigues http://www.DeepEddy.Com/~cwg/ virCIO http://www.virCIO.Com 4314 Avenue C Austin, TX 78751-3709 +1 512 374 0500 My email address is an experiment in SPAM elimination. For an explanation of what we're doing, see http://www.DeepEddy.Com/tms.html Nobody ever got fired for buying Microsoft, but they could get fired for relying on Microsoft. --==_Exmh_-2129532888P Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.4 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Exmh version 2.2_20000822 06/23/2000 iD8DBQE6gdQWK9b4h5R0IUIRAoYeAJ9U5Q99TemGkpovO4ozrZdQiNn6RQCgikjX MywoN2vnCzlmO640KQBSDC0= =HTVt -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --==_Exmh_-2129532888P-- From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Wed Feb 7 18:44:51 2001 Return-Path: Received: from kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.25]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id SAA16672 for ; Wed, 7 Feb 2001 18:44:51 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id SAA04747 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Wed, 7 Feb 2001 18:44:50 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id SAA04741 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Wed, 7 Feb 2001 18:44:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from web3406.mail.yahoo.com (web3406.mail.yahoo.com [204.71.203.60]) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with SMTP id SAA04726 for ; Wed, 7 Feb 2001 18:44:49 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20010207234448.11514.qmail@web3406.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [24.176.79.249] by web3406.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 07 Feb 2001 15:44:48 PST Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2001 15:44:48 -0800 (PST) From: paul beard Subject: What if 'add "alias net-pf-5 appletalk" ' doesn't work? To: netatalk-admins MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii If anyone has any insight on this problem, I'd like to hear it, but please only if you've actually read my earlier post and understand that I am running Redhat 7 (ie, the conf.modules file has been renamed to modules.conf and I'm not sure the syntax is right anymore), that I want to know how to make pure DDP appletalk work, ie. non-tcp and with servers appearing in the Chooser. yes, I have now read Harry Zink's .sig, and no, it doesn't work anymore. If this is such an oft-repeated piece of information, why hasn't it been added to the post-install script in the RPMs, as the changes to /etc/services are? To steal a page from Harry Zink ("self-evangelization does not serve anyone"), if you're going to fill my mailbox with ranting, spare yourself the keystrokes. ===== -- Paul Beard 8040 27th Ave NE / Seattle WA 98115 206 529 8400 / 713 5671 (cell) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices. http://auctions.yahoo.com/ From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Wed Feb 7 19:00:33 2001 Return-Path: Received: from easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.26]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id TAA17249 for ; Wed, 7 Feb 2001 19:00:33 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id TAA10054 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Wed, 7 Feb 2001 19:00:33 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id TAA10040 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Wed, 7 Feb 2001 19:00:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from dionysus.terrascope.com (www.terrascope.com [63.140.215.162]) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id TAA10011 for ; Wed, 7 Feb 2001 19:00:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from terrascope.com (IDENT:walt@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dionysus.terrascope.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA04843 for ; Wed, 7 Feb 2001 16:06:54 -0800 Sender: walt@dionysus.terrascope.com Message-ID: <3A81E31D.5C4FB8B@terrascope.com> Date: Wed, 07 Feb 2001 16:06:54 -0800 From: Walt Reed X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.14-5.0 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: netatalk-admins@umich.edu Subject: Re: "Another process changed the volume during the search..." References: <26803.981586966@deepeddy.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Chris Garrigues wrote: > One of the clients I've set up using netatalk is having a problem where when > he attempts to use Sherlock to search a netatalk volume, he gets an alert with > this message: > > Unable to search the volume "WCFileServer" > Another process changed the volume during the search. > Please wait for the process to finish and try again. > > He's running 9.0. I assume that another user updated something during his > search. Am I right in this assumption? Is there anything I can do about this? > you neglect to mention what processes might be using the volume: apache, samba, wuftp, nfs, backup software? are users connecting through ftp via bbedit? do users telnet to the machine? how many users? do any of the other users @ the location experience similar problems? is the user a "perpetual problem" user? how many other programs is the user running @ the same time? i'm just trying to get an idea of how many variables you are dealing with. also, i'd update this person to 9.0.4, i've noticed better network performance. if, in fact, you are right and another user is changing the files and interfering w/ the search, i think i'd try writing an applescript that mounts the volume and then indexes it @ night when no one could bother it, then shuts down the machine. once sherlock has it indexed, it should be able to search easier. hope that helps, walt reed systems administrator terrascope From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Wed Feb 7 19:36:19 2001 Return-Path: Received: from easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.26]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id TAA18528 for ; Wed, 7 Feb 2001 19:36:19 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id TAA28327 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Wed, 7 Feb 2001 19:36:19 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id TAA28311 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Wed, 7 Feb 2001 19:36:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from austin-jump.vircio.com ([216.30.106.234]) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with SMTP id TAA28292 for ; Wed, 7 Feb 2001 19:36:18 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 25016 invoked by uid 104); 8 Feb 2001 00:36:17 -0000 Received: from cwg-dated-b7963c3321a51b26@deepeddy.com by austin-jump.vircio.com with qmail-scanner-0.90 (uvscan: v4.0.50/v4115. . Clean. Processed in 0.297619 secs); 07/02/2001 18:36:17 Received: from deepeddy-austin.deepeddy.com (HELO deepeddy.vircio.com) ([10.254.254.253]) (envelope-sender ) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 8 Feb 2001 00:36:16 -0000 Received: (qmail 16398 invoked by alias); 8 Feb 2001 00:36:11 -0000 From: "Chris Garrigues" Received: (qmail 16358 invoked from network); 8 Feb 2001 00:36:10 -0000 Received: from deepeddy.vircio.com (HELO deepeddy.com) ([10.1.2.1]) (envelope-sender ) by deepeddy.vircio.com (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 8 Feb 2001 00:36:10 -0000 X-Mailer: exmh version 2.2_20000822 06/23/2000 with nmh-1.0.4 To: Walt Reed Cc: netatalk-admins@umich.edu Subject: Re: "Another process changed the volume during the search..." In-Reply-To: <3A81E31D.5C4FB8B@terrascope.com> References: <26803.981586966@deepeddy.com> <3A81E31D.5C4FB8B@terrascope.com> X-Url: http://www.DeepEddy.Com/~cwg X-Image-Url: http://www.DeepEddy.Com/~cwg/chris.gif Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="==_Exmh_-1096762116P"; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Wed, 07 Feb 2001 18:36:10 -0600 Message-ID: <16355.981592570@deepeddy.com> Mail-Reply-To: cwg-dated-b7963c3321a51b26@DeepEddy.Com --==_Exmh_-1096762116P Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > From: Walt Reed > Date: Wed, 07 Feb 2001 16:06:54 -0800 > > Chris Garrigues wrote: > > > One of the clients I've set up using netatalk is having a problem where w > hen > > he attempts to use Sherlock to search a netatalk volume, he gets an alert > with > > this message: > > > > Unable to search the volume "WCFileServer" > > Another process changed the volume during the search. > > Please wait for the process to finish and try again. > > > > He's running 9.0. I assume that another user updated something during hi > s > > search. Am I right in this assumption? Is there anything I can do about > this? > > > > you neglect to mention what processes might be using the volume: apache, samba, > wuftp, nfs, backup software? > are users connecting through ftp via bbedit? do users telnet to the machine? how > many users? None of the above. This particular machine is only used by atalk users. Backup software wasn't running at the time. apache is on the system, but it's home is in a different part of the filesystem. Samba is also running, but there are no PCs on that particular site. telnet is disabled and the only people who have ssh are myself and my partner, neither of whom were logged in. > do any of the other users @ the location experience similar problems? is the user > a "perpetual problem" user? how many other programs is the user running @ the > same time? He's the most cluefull user at that particular client. The other users all pass their issues through him. I'll check with him and see if anyone else is having the problem. > i'm just trying to get an idea of how many variables you are dealing with. also, > i'd update this person to 9.0.4, i've noticed better network performance. I think he's actually using 9.0.4, but I'll make sure about that as well. > if, in fact, you are right and another user is changing the files and interfering > w/ the search, i think i'd try writing an applescript that mounts the volume and > then indexes it @ night when no one could bother it, then shuts down the machine. > once sherlock has it indexed, it should be able to search easier. How do you do that? Sherlock/Find/Index Volumes doesn't list the server and I read in the archive that Apple disabled the ability to build indexes over the network. (For some context, I'm primarily a Unix guy but i know my way around a Mac fairly well. I don't do windows.) Chris -- Chris Garrigues http://www.DeepEddy.Com/~cwg/ virCIO http://www.virCIO.Com 4314 Avenue C Austin, TX 78751-3709 +1 512 374 0500 My email address is an experiment in SPAM elimination. For an explanation of what we're doing, see http://www.DeepEddy.Com/tms.html Nobody ever got fired for buying Microsoft, but they could get fired for relying on Microsoft. --==_Exmh_-1096762116P Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.4 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Exmh version 2.2_20000822 06/23/2000 iD4DBQE6gen5K9b4h5R0IUIRAn4EAJ94aYGIS5kCPJ+ic2z+gFa2aGZREwCYl/ZB 94OVpFrGkO3HfCZ74ekUHQ== =M/S2 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --==_Exmh_-1096762116P-- From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Wed Feb 7 20:47:18 2001 Return-Path: Received: from easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.26]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id UAA20285 for ; Wed, 7 Feb 2001 20:47:18 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id UAA04306 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Wed, 7 Feb 2001 20:47:17 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id UAA04289 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Wed, 7 Feb 2001 20:47:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from dionysus.terrascope.com (www.terrascope.com [63.140.215.162]) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id UAA04214 for ; Wed, 7 Feb 2001 20:47:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from terrascope.com (IDENT:walt@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dionysus.terrascope.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA04996 for ; Wed, 7 Feb 2001 17:53:38 -0800 Sender: walt@dionysus.terrascope.com Message-ID: <3A81FC20.CCFAC0D1@terrascope.com> Date: Wed, 07 Feb 2001 17:53:36 -0800 From: Walt Reed X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.14-5.0 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: netatalk-admins@umich.edu Subject: Re: "Another process changed the volume during the search..." References: <26803.981586966@deepeddy.com> <3A81E31D.5C4FB8B@terrascope.com> <16355.981592570@deepeddy.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Chris Garrigues wrote: > > From: Walt Reed > > Date: Wed, 07 Feb 2001 16:06:54 -0800 > > > > Chris Garrigues wrote: > > > > > One of the clients I've set up using netatalk is having a problem where w > > hen > > > he attempts to use Sherlock to search a netatalk volume, he gets an alert > > with > > > this message: > > > > > > Unable to search the volume "WCFileServer" > > > Another process changed the volume during the search. > > > Please wait for the process to finish and try again. > > > > > > He's running 9.0. I assume that another user updated something during hi > > s > > > search. Am I right in this assumption? Is there anything I can do about > > this? > > > > > > > you neglect to mention what processes might be using the volume: apache, samba, > > wuftp, nfs, backup software? > > are users connecting through ftp via bbedit? do users telnet to the machine? how > > many users? > > None of the above. This particular machine is only used by atalk users. > Backup software wasn't running at the time. apache is on the system, but it's > home is in a different part of the filesystem. Samba is also running, but > there are no PCs on that particular site. telnet is disabled and the only > people who have ssh are myself and my partner, neither of whom were logged in. > > > do any of the other users @ the location experience similar problems? is the user > > a "perpetual problem" user? how many other programs is the user running @ the > > same time? > > He's the most cluefull user at that particular client. The other users all pass > their issues through him. I'll check with him and see if anyone else is having > the problem. > > > i'm just trying to get an idea of how many variables you are dealing with. also, > > i'd update this person to 9.0.4, i've noticed better network performance. > > I think he's actually using 9.0.4, but I'll make sure about that as well. > > > if, in fact, you are right and another user is changing the files and interfering > > w/ the search, i think i'd try writing an applescript that mounts the volume and > > then indexes it @ night when no one could bother it, then shuts down the machine. > > once sherlock has it indexed, it should be able to search easier. > > How do you do that? Sherlock/Find/Index Volumes doesn't list the server and I > read in the archive that Apple disabled the ability to build indexes over the > network. > > (For some context, I'm primarily a Unix guy but i know my way around a Mac > fairly well. I don't do windows.) > hmm.. i thought you could do an index like that, but it seems you can't anymore, that's too bad. found this in the help menu: "Mounted servers, CD-ROM discs, and read-only disks...do not appear in the Index Volumes window." it goes on to say that you can index it "directly on the shared volume", which i assume means only if it's a mac, and directly from it's console. you can get the contextual menu to give you the option (hold down the "ctrl" and click on the volume from the finder) to index, but it doesn't work. sorry about that. i'd still check his system & make sure he's running 9.0.4. turn off samba if you aren't using it, or at least turn it off for now, to eliminate it from the equation. is the problem intermitant? i tried to do a sherlock search here (i did 2 @ the same time from different machines) and found it slow, but it worked, and my users telnet, ftp, samba, etc. do your users open files directly from the server, or do they use local copies and update the server (or is there a version control software running)? i'm wondering if a file could be getting locked or updated as you said. one of the most insidious problems i've had to deal w/ is users trying to include fonts off the server in adobe type manager rather than copying them to the local drive, resulting in weird startup problems, but that's a whole 'nother issue... other than that, all i can think of is to make sure nfs isn't somehow on. i know it can lock files that are in use. will keep looking into it. walt reed From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Thu Feb 8 02:00:21 2001 Return-Path: Received: from funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.27]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id CAA27219 for ; Thu, 8 Feb 2001 02:00:21 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id CAA06467 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Thu, 8 Feb 2001 02:00:14 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id CAA06461 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Thu, 8 Feb 2001 02:00:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.scoregroup.com (mail.scoregroup.com [207.88.200.3]) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id CAA06443 for ; Thu, 8 Feb 2001 02:00:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from admin (unknown [207.88.200.31]) by mail.scoregroup.com (Postfix) with SMTP id AF9833F54 for ; Thu, 8 Feb 2001 02:01:25 -0500 (EST) From: "Jerry Thomas" To: Subject: Netatalk for a publishing house Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2001 01:58:59 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Hello, We are currently using a Mac File Server to store all our data. I am considering reccomending Netatalk. I know about the alias problem and don't think it is really an issue for us. We mainly use quark and photoshop to publish the magazines. Are there any other issues with the Netatalk that may get me fired? Thanks, Jerry -- Jerry Thomas thomasj@scoregroup.com From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Thu Feb 8 08:05:42 2001 Return-Path: Received: from funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.27]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id IAA02526 for ; Thu, 8 Feb 2001 08:05:42 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id IAA13482 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Thu, 8 Feb 2001 08:05:35 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id IAA13469 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Thu, 8 Feb 2001 08:05:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from pantheon-po04.its.yale.edu (pantheon-po04.its.yale.edu [130.132.143.35]) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id IAA13451 for ; Thu, 8 Feb 2001 08:05:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from morpheus.cis.yale.edu (morpheus.cis.yale.edu [130.132.143.248]) by pantheon-po04.its.yale.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA11835 for ; Thu, 8 Feb 2001 08:05:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (nlw4@localhost) by morpheus.cis.yale.edu (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA15682 for ; Thu, 8 Feb 2001 08:05:09 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: morpheus.cis.yale.edu: nlw4 owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2001 08:05:09 -0500 (EST) From: "Radar O'Reilly" X-X-Sender: To: Subject: Re: Netatalk for a publishing house In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 8 Feb 2001, Jerry Thomas wrote: > think it is really an issue for us. We mainly use quark and photoshop to > publish the magazines. Are there any other issues with the Netatalk that > may get me fired? Traditionally, netatalk hasn't played nicely with quark files (especially large ones). Extensive testing is recommended in a situation like yours. __________/| Nathan "Radar" Willard MC '00 | "A Sucking Chest Wound is (_|__|_____\|________ PO Box 203927 | nature's way of telling |_|_____________)- New Haven, CT 06520 | you to slow down." From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Thu Feb 8 10:17:41 2001 Return-Path: Received: from easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.26]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id KAA05169 for ; Thu, 8 Feb 2001 10:17:41 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id KAA03623 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Thu, 8 Feb 2001 10:17:41 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id KAA03601 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Thu, 8 Feb 2001 10:17:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from mailout04.sul.t-online.com (mailout04.sul.t-online.com [194.25.134.18]) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id KAA03557 for ; Thu, 8 Feb 2001 10:17:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from fwd04.sul.t-online.com by mailout04.sul.t-online.com with smtp id 14QspG-0004fo-01; Thu, 08 Feb 2001 16:17:38 +0100 Received: from [192.168.0.33] (07031811601-0001@[217.2.89.220]) by fmrl04.sul.t-online.com with esmtp id 14QspD-0dYI9gC; Thu, 8 Feb 2001 16:17:35 +0100 Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2001 15:23:42 +0100 To: netatalk-admins@umich.edu From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?J=FCrgen?= Weltzer Subject: Re: Netatalk for a publishing house Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" ; format="flowed" X-Sender: 07031811601-0001@t-dialin.net Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu id KAA05169 >On Thu, 8 Feb 2001, Jerry Thomas wrote: > >> think it is really an issue for us. We mainly use quark and photoshop to >> publish the magazines. Are there any other issues with the Netatalk that >> may get me fired? > >Traditionally, netatalk hasn't played nicely with quark files >(especially large >ones). Extensive testing is recommended in a situation like yours. since I'm using the -pre 39 I've no problems using Quark, PageMaker, Freehand, Photoshop ... We've handled files with some 100 MBs without problems. The only thing is, that changing a file or foldername in the finder can occur some ID-Problems - changing them with "save as" works fine. -- Viele Grüße Jürgen Weltzer - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Werbeagentur Weltzer Max-Eyth-Straße 8 71065 Sindelfingen Tel. +49 (0) 70.31.81.32.31 Fax +49 (0) 70.31.81.16.01 http://www.w-ww.de/ - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Windows95/98/NT: 32 bit extension and a graphical shell for a 16 bit patch to an 8 bit operating system originally coded for a 4 bit microprocessor, written by a 2 bit company, that can't stand 1 bit of competition From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Thu Feb 8 10:21:04 2001 Return-Path: Received: from easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.26]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id KAA05258 for ; Thu, 8 Feb 2001 10:21:04 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id KAA08904 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Thu, 8 Feb 2001 10:21:04 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id KAA08895 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Thu, 8 Feb 2001 10:21:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from austin-jump.vircio.com ([216.30.106.234]) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with SMTP id KAA08419 for ; Thu, 8 Feb 2001 10:21:01 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 13385 invoked by uid 104); 8 Feb 2001 15:20:46 -0000 Received: from cwg-dated-1c3d47bb1fd82104@deepeddy.com by austin-jump.vircio.com with qmail-scanner-0.90 (uvscan: v4.0.50/v4115. . Clean. Processed in 0.296911 secs); 08/02/2001 09:20:45 Received: from deepeddy-austin.deepeddy.com (HELO deepeddy.vircio.com) ([10.254.254.253]) (envelope-sender ) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 8 Feb 2001 15:20:45 -0000 Received: (qmail 5359 invoked by alias); 8 Feb 2001 15:20:44 -0000 From: "Chris Garrigues" Received: (qmail 5333 invoked from network); 8 Feb 2001 15:20:44 -0000 Received: from deepeddy.vircio.com (HELO deepeddy.com) (cwg@[10.1.2.1]) (envelope-sender ) by deepeddy.vircio.com (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 8 Feb 2001 15:20:44 -0000 X-Mailer: exmh version 2.2_20000822 06/23/2000 with nmh-1.0.4 To: Walt Reed Cc: netatalk-admins@umich.edu Subject: Re: "Another process changed the volume during the search..." In-Reply-To: <3A81FC20.CCFAC0D1@terrascope.com> References: <26803.981586966@deepeddy.com> <3A81E31D.5C4FB8B@terrascope.com> <16355.981592570@deepeddy.com> <3A81FC20.CCFAC0D1@terrascope.com> X-Url: http://www.DeepEddy.Com/~cwg X-Image-Url: http://www.DeepEddy.Com/~cwg/chris.gif Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="==_Exmh_-2020923342P"; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Thu, 08 Feb 2001 09:20:43 -0600 Message-ID: <5329.981645643@deepeddy.com> Mail-Reply-To: cwg-dated-1c3d47bb1fd82104@DeepEddy.Com --==_Exmh_-2020923342P Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > From: Walt Reed > Date: Wed, 07 Feb 2001 17:53:36 -0800 > > hmm.. i thought you could do an index like that, but it seems you can't anymore, that's > too bad. > found this in the help menu: > "Mounted servers, CD-ROM discs, and read-only disks...do not appear in the Index > Volumes window." it goes on to say that you can index it "directly on the shared > volume", which i assume means only if it's a mac, and directly from it's console. you > can get the contextual menu to give you the option (hold down the "ctrl" and click on > the volume from the finder) to index, but it doesn't work. sorry about that. > > i'd still check his system & make sure he's running 9.0.4. turn off samba if you > aren't using it, or at least turn it off for now, to eliminate it from the equation. > is the problem intermitant? i tried to do a sherlock search here (i did 2 @ the same > time from different machines) and found it slow, but it worked, and my users telnet, > ftp, samba, etc. do your users open files directly from the server, or do they use > local copies and update the server (or is there a version control software running)? > i'm wondering if a file could be getting locked or updated as you said. one of the > most insidious problems i've had to deal w/ is users trying to include fonts off the > server in adobe type manager rather than copying them to the local drive, resulting in > weird startup problems, but that's a whole 'nother issue... > > other than that, all i can think of is to make sure nfs isn't somehow on. i know it > can lock files that are in use. > > will keep looking into it. Thanks. More data: Everybody there is having this problem. About half of the machines are running 9.1 and the other half will be doing so as well soon. I've just stopped samba and nfs and have asked him to let me know if it helps. They do open files directly on the server. I'm not sure exactly what applications they use, but they're an advertising firm if that gives a clue. This problem didn't occur when they were using a Mac server. I'll post again when I know if turning off samba and nfs helped. Chris -- Chris Garrigues http://www.DeepEddy.Com/~cwg/ virCIO http://www.virCIO.Com 4314 Avenue C Austin, TX 78751-3709 +1 512 374 0500 My email address is an experiment in SPAM elimination. For an explanation of what we're doing, see http://www.DeepEddy.Com/tms.html Nobody ever got fired for buying Microsoft, but they could get fired for relying on Microsoft. --==_Exmh_-2020923342P Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.4 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Exmh version 2.2_20000822 06/23/2000 iD8DBQE6grlLK9b4h5R0IUIRApTxAKCFLyWqfrV3pr1RRZh/tcNicUqi7ACdEH9q yfNdFNeKF1sBT8SaK8dU/Z8= =UULd -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --==_Exmh_-2020923342P-- From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Thu Feb 8 11:11:04 2001 Return-Path: Received: from kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.25]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id LAA06239 for ; Thu, 8 Feb 2001 11:11:04 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id LAA19843 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Thu, 8 Feb 2001 11:11:04 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id LAA19831 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Thu, 8 Feb 2001 11:11:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from cage.whatazoo.com (whatazoo.com [208.23.179.242]) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id LAA19782 for ; Thu, 8 Feb 2001 11:11:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (murley@localhost) by cage.whatazoo.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA23587 for ; Thu, 8 Feb 2001 10:12:47 -0600 Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2001 10:12:47 -0600 (CST) From: Chris Murley X-Sender: murley@cage.whatazoo.com To: netatalk-admins@umich.edu Subject: Help Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I am running redhat 6.2 and magically for soem reason when i start netatalk i get this error from /usr/sbin/atalkd: socket: Invalid argument socket: Invalid argument atalkd: can't get interfaces, exiting. I have tried the new tar file and the old rpm... Why is it dieing?? It worked like a week ago? -Chris ----------------------- Christopher Murley Application Index http://www.appindex.net http://www.appindex.org ----------------------- From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Thu Feb 8 11:34:16 2001 Return-Path: Received: from kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.25]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id LAA07080 for ; Thu, 8 Feb 2001 11:34:16 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id LAA19879 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Thu, 8 Feb 2001 11:34:16 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id LAA19856 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Thu, 8 Feb 2001 11:34:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from server.deanox.com (ns1.deanox.com [209.197.23.235]) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id LAA19801 for ; Thu, 8 Feb 2001 11:34:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from rygar.deanox.com (rygar.deanox.com [209.197.23.237]) by server.deanox.com (8.9.3/8.8.7) with SMTP id JAA23557; Thu, 8 Feb 2001 09:34:07 -0700 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20010208093417.0091a800@server.deanox.com> X-Sender: faxguy@server.deanox.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Thu, 08 Feb 2001 09:34:17 -0700 To: Chris Murley , netatalk-admins@umich.edu From: Lee Howard Subject: Re: Help In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 10:12 AM 2/8/01 -0600, Chris Murley wrote: > > >I am running redhat 6.2 and magically for soem reason when i start >netatalk i get this error from /usr/sbin/atalkd: > >socket: Invalid argument >socket: Invalid argument >atalkd: can't get interfaces, exiting. > > >I have tried the new tar file and the old rpm... > > >Why is it dieing?? It worked like a week ago? I'd bet that either the Appletalk module isn't loading or it's not built-into the kernel. Lee Howard From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Thu Feb 8 11:39:50 2001 Return-Path: Received: from easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.26]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id LAA07297 for ; Thu, 8 Feb 2001 11:39:49 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id LAA09125 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Thu, 8 Feb 2001 11:39:49 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id LAA09094 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Thu, 8 Feb 2001 11:39:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from cage.whatazoo.com (whatazoo.com [208.23.179.242]) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id LAA09028 for ; Thu, 8 Feb 2001 11:39:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (murley@localhost) by cage.whatazoo.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA23709; Thu, 8 Feb 2001 10:41:31 -0600 Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2001 10:41:31 -0600 (CST) From: Chris Murley X-Sender: murley@cage.whatazoo.com To: Lee Howard cc: netatalk-admins@umich.edu Subject: Re: Help In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.20010208093417.0091a800@server.deanox.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII But i have done a modprobe appletalk, and is does load.... This exact setup was working 2 days ago. -Chris ----------------------- Christopher Murley Application Index http://www.appindex.net http://www.appindex.org ----------------------- On Thu, 8 Feb 2001, Lee Howard wrote: > At 10:12 AM 2/8/01 -0600, Chris Murley wrote: > > > > > >I am running redhat 6.2 and magically for soem reason when i start > >netatalk i get this error from /usr/sbin/atalkd: > > > >socket: Invalid argument > >socket: Invalid argument > >atalkd: can't get interfaces, exiting. > > > > > >I have tried the new tar file and the old rpm... > > > > > >Why is it dieing?? It worked like a week ago? > > I'd bet that either the Appletalk module isn't loading or it's not > built-into the kernel. > > Lee Howard > From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Thu Feb 8 11:40:18 2001 Return-Path: Received: from easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.26]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id LAA07331 for ; Thu, 8 Feb 2001 11:40:18 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id LAA09883 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Thu, 8 Feb 2001 11:40:18 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id LAA09857 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Thu, 8 Feb 2001 11:40:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from paperboy.sixforty.co.uk (paperboy.sixforty.co.uk [195.10.242.11]) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id LAA09786 for ; Thu, 8 Feb 2001 11:40:14 -0500 (EST) Received: (from root@localhost) by paperboy.sixforty.co.uk (8.11.1/8.11.1) id f18Ge3071457 for netatalk-admins@umich.edu; Thu, 8 Feb 2001 16:40:03 GMT (envelope-from lawrence@epcdirect.co.uk) Delivered-To: Received: from lfarr (daisy.int.epcdirect.co.uk [192.168.6.200]) by paperboy.sixforty.co.uk (8.11.1/8.11.1av) with SMTP id f18Ge0b71446 for ; Thu, 8 Feb 2001 16:40:00 GMT (envelope-from lawrence@epcdirect.co.uk) From: "Lawrence Farr" To: "Netatalk-Admins" Subject: RE: Netatalk for a publishing house Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2001 16:39:57 -0000 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 In-Reply-To: X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS perl-10 Can you be more specific as to the problems caused? Lawrence Farr EPC Direct Limited mailto:lawrence@epcdirect.co.uk T:01179666123 F:01179666111 M:07970780901 > -----Original Message----- > From: Jürgen Weltzer [mailto:weltzer@werbeagentur-weltzer.de] > Sent: 08 February 2001 14:24 > To: netatalk-admins@umich.edu > Subject: Re: Netatalk for a publishing house > > > >On Thu, 8 Feb 2001, Jerry Thomas wrote: > > > >> think it is really an issue for us. We mainly use quark and > photoshop to > >> publish the magazines. Are there any other issues with the > Netatalk that > >> may get me fired? > > > >Traditionally, netatalk hasn't played nicely with quark files > >(especially large > >ones). Extensive testing is recommended in a situation like yours. > > since I'm using the -pre 39 I've no problems using Quark, PageMaker, > Freehand, Photoshop ... We've handled files with some 100 MBs without > problems. The only thing is, that changing a file or foldername in > the finder can occur some ID-Problems - changing them with "save as" > works fine. > -- > Viele Grüße > Jürgen Weltzer > > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > Werbeagentur Weltzer > Max-Eyth-Straße 8 > 71065 Sindelfingen > Tel. +49 (0) 70.31.81.32.31 > Fax +49 (0) 70.31.81.16.01 > http://www.w-ww.de/ > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > > Windows95/98/NT: 32 bit extension and a graphical shell for a 16 bit > patch to an 8 bit operating system originally coded for a 4 bit > microprocessor, written by a 2 bit company, that can't stand 1 bit of > competition > > From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Thu Feb 8 11:56:03 2001 Return-Path: Received: from easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.26]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id LAA07729 for ; Thu, 8 Feb 2001 11:56:03 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id LAA05062 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Thu, 8 Feb 2001 11:56:03 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id LAA05036 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Thu, 8 Feb 2001 11:56:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from dante.kinkaid.org (dante.kinkaid.org [207.80.142.250]) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id LAA04993 for ; Thu, 8 Feb 2001 11:56:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from [172.16.70.70] (cmorillo.kinkaid.org [172.16.70.70]) by dante.kinkaid.org (8.10.2/8.10.2) with ESMTP id f18HdiM04700 for ; Thu, 8 Feb 2001 11:39:44 -0600 User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.01 (1630) Date: Thu, 08 Feb 2001 10:56:00 -0600 Subject: Re: Help From: Crystal To: Netatalk Admins List Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit on 2/8/01 10:41 AM, Chris Murley at murley@appindex.net wrote: > But i have done a modprobe appletalk, and is does load.... > > This exact setup was working 2 days ago. > > > -Chris Type ifconfig and see what information comes up on the interface(s). Does it already have an EtherTalk address assigned to it? C. From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Thu Feb 8 12:11:45 2001 Return-Path: Received: from kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.25]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id MAA08048 for ; Thu, 8 Feb 2001 12:11:45 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id MAA10676 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Thu, 8 Feb 2001 12:11:45 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id MAA10648 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Thu, 8 Feb 2001 12:11:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from cage.whatazoo.com (whatazoo.com [208.23.179.242]) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id MAA10613 for ; Thu, 8 Feb 2001 12:11:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (murley@localhost) by cage.whatazoo.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA23889; Thu, 8 Feb 2001 11:13:21 -0600 Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2001 11:13:21 -0600 (CST) From: Chris Murley X-Sender: murley@cage.whatazoo.com To: Crystal cc: Netatalk Admins List Subject: Re: Help In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I have it working, thanks to jeff, i hade to run: modprobe ipddp so i added that to my init scripts... now i get a wierd erroer int he messages file: Feb 8 11:06:50 rhfsrv1 afpd[24871]: refused connect from 209.247.231.69 Feb 8 11:06:50 rhfsrv1 afpd[24871]: dsi_getsess: No such file ordirectory Why would the connection be refused? and what is dsi_getsess? -Chris ----------------------- Christopher Murley Application Index http://www.appindex.net http://www.appindex.org ----------------------- On Thu, 8 Feb 2001, Crystal wrote: > on 2/8/01 10:41 AM, Chris Murley at murley@appindex.net wrote: > > > But i have done a modprobe appletalk, and is does load.... > > > > This exact setup was working 2 days ago. > > > > > > -Chris > > Type ifconfig and see what information comes up on the interface(s). Does it > already have an EtherTalk address assigned to it? > > C. > From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Thu Feb 8 12:19:06 2001 Return-Path: Received: from easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.26]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id MAA08517 for ; Thu, 8 Feb 2001 12:19:06 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id MAA10092 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Thu, 8 Feb 2001 12:19:06 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id MAA10080 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Thu, 8 Feb 2001 12:19:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from univrel.pr.uconn.edu (univrel.pr.uconn.edu [137.99.59.30]) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id MAA10065 for ; Thu, 8 Feb 2001 12:19:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from univrel.pr.uconn.edu (root@test.pr.uconn.edu [137.99.59.90]) by univrel.pr.uconn.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id MAA23156; Thu, 8 Feb 2001 12:19:03 -0500 Sender: root@univrel.pr.uconn.edu Message-ID: <3A82D49F.64EB6742@univrel.pr.uconn.edu> Date: Thu, 08 Feb 2001 12:17:19 -0500 From: jeff X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.0-0.14mdk i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: netatalk-admins@umich.edu CC: Chris Murley Subject: [Fwd: Re: netatalk problem] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: netatalk problem Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2001 11:09:27 -0600 (CST) From: Chris Murley To: jeff Great thanks your gith, that did it... i had to specifically load modprobe ipddp so i added that to the init script. Thanks for the fast help. It was odd because this was all working 2 days ago... somethign must have changed on my system. Nowwhen i try to connect i get this in the messages log: Feb 8 11:06:50 rhfsrv1 afpd[24871]: refused connect from 209.247.231.69 Feb 8 11:06:50 rhfsrv1 afpd[24871]: dsi_getsess: No such file ordirectory Why would the connection be refused? and what is dsi_getsess? -Chris ----------------------- Christopher Murley Application Index http://www.appindex.net http://www.appindex.org ----------------------- On Thu, 8 Feb 2001, jeff wrote: > Chris Murley wrote: > > > > Hello, I was hoping you could help me. > > > > I am using the lastest tar ball of netatalk, i was using the 1.4b2 version > > of the rpm. Eveythign has been working great but suddeny; today i noticred > > that whaen i run /usr/sbin/atalkd i get this error: > > > > socket: Invalid argument > > socket: Invalid argument > > atalkd: can't get interfaces, exiting. > > > > The same error occurs with both versions. I've looked in the faq and found > > nothing, can you tellme why this would happen? > > You need to make sure the appletalk kernel module is installed. You can > check the list archives for netatalk-admins@umich.edu for the exact > command to make the appletalk module load automatically, but "modprobe > appletalk" should do it. ("modprobe ipddp" allows Appleshare-over-IP to > be enabled, if run after the first command.) > > jeff > From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Thu Feb 8 13:27:15 2001 Return-Path: Received: from kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.25]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id NAA12135 for ; Thu, 8 Feb 2001 13:27:15 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id NAA20485 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Thu, 8 Feb 2001 13:27:15 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id NAA20445 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Thu, 8 Feb 2001 13:27:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from mailout04.sul.t-online.com (mailout04.sul.t-online.com [194.25.134.18]) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id NAA20241 for ; Thu, 8 Feb 2001 13:27:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from fwd00.sul.t-online.com by mailout04.sul.t-online.com with smtp id 14QvmY-00061z-04; Thu, 08 Feb 2001 19:27:02 +0100 Received: from [192.168.0.33] (07031811601-0001@[217.2.89.179]) by fmrl00.sul.t-online.com with esmtp id 14QvmJ-2IkJ5EC; Thu, 8 Feb 2001 19:26:47 +0100 Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2001 19:28:03 +0100 To: netatalk-admins@umich.edu From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?J=FCrgen?= Weltzer Subject: RE: Netatalk for a publishing house Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" ; format="flowed" X-Sender: 07031811601-0001@t-dialin.net Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu id NAA12135 >Can you be more specific as to the problems caused? Yes. Aliases are normaly working. > > since I'm using the -pre 39 I've no problems using Quark, PageMaker, >> Freehand, Photoshop ... We've handled files with some 100 MBs without >> problems. The only thing is, that changing a file or foldername in >> the finder can occur some ID-Problems - changing them with "save as" > > works fine. With older versions of netatalk I got damaged files (Quark, Freehand), now all is fine The ID problem was discussed in this list: It means: you change a file or folder name - but other usesrs don't see your change - they see the file with its old name - unless they restart their mac. Therefore the danger is great, that someone trashes a file that you need (or a folder!!!) - Take a look in the archive. -- Mit freundlichen Grüßen Jürgen Weltzer - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Werbeagentur Weltzer Max-Eyth-Straße 8 71065 Sindelfingen Tel. +49 (0) 70.31.81.32.31 Fax +49 (0) 70.31.81.16.01 http://www.w-ww.de/ - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Die stumpfsinnigsten Leute, die ich kenne, sind die, die schon alles wissen. 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From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Thu Feb 8 13:45:08 2001 Return-Path: Received: from kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.25]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id NAA13203 for ; Thu, 8 Feb 2001 13:45:08 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id NAA14675 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Thu, 8 Feb 2001 13:45:08 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id NAA14583 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Thu, 8 Feb 2001 13:45:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from www38.gmx.net (www38.gmx.net [213.165.64.88]) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with SMTP id NAA14455 for ; Thu, 8 Feb 2001 13:44:59 -0500 (EST) From: grobe@gmx.net Received: (qmail 16721 invoked by uid 0); 8 Feb 2001 18:44:55 -0000 Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2001 19:44:55 +0100 (MET) To: Matthew Keller Cc: netatalk-admins@umich.edu Cc: netatalk-admins@umich.edu Subject: Re: 1-gigabit-router for netatalk? References: <3A7EC4C1.609EF1E1@potsdam.edu> Message-ID: <16677.981657895@www38.gmx.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-Authenticated-Sender: #0000290134@gmx.net X-Mailer: WWW-Mail 1.5 (Global Message Exchange) X-Authenticated-IP: [130.83.244.129] X-Flags: 0001 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Matthew! > I *HIGHLY* recommend keeping file-serving operations off of your > firewall. Of course, it is seperate machine. The question is (as I know that netatalk is VERY sensible on network stability) which configuration will provide enough power to do firewalling and routing with two Gigabit and one FastEthernet nics in a network of linux-, windows- and mac-clients (including appletalk to have the servers visible in the chooser). I don't want to see the message "The server closed the connection" too often. ;-) I was told that a PentiumPro has a too slow bus. So what would you recommend? We are getting our new switches and servers soon, and I must decide which machine to configure for doing the routing. So, PentiumPro, old Suns, PentiumII or III...? Thank you for ANY hints and help... CU Lars. -- Sent through GMX FreeMail - http://www.gmx.net From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Thu Feb 8 16:34:02 2001 Return-Path: Received: from easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.26]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id QAA19941 for ; Thu, 8 Feb 2001 16:34:01 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id QAA26501 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Thu, 8 Feb 2001 16:34:01 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id QAA26482 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Thu, 8 Feb 2001 16:34:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from femail9.sdc1.sfba.home.com (femail9.sdc1.sfba.home.com [24.0.95.89]) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id QAA26440 for ; Thu, 8 Feb 2001 16:33:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from [192.168.0.27] ([24.7.223.67]) by femail9.sdc1.sfba.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.00 201-229-121) with ESMTP id <20010208213358.NBSW20293.femail9.sdc1.sfba.home.com@[192.168.0.27]> for ; Thu, 8 Feb 2001 13:33:58 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: ralph99@mail.voicenet.com Message-Id: Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2001 16:34:02 -0500 To: netatalk-admins@umich.edu From: Ralph Dratman Subject: Error messge: libc.so.4 not found Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Hello. I am running FreeBSD 3.3 and trying to upgrade my installation of netatalk using the package at ftp://ftp.FreeBSD.org/pub/FreeBSD/ports/i386/packages-4-stable/All/net atalk-1.4b2_1.tgz The package seems to install okay, but when it runs at startup it displays the following messages: /usr/libexec/ld-elf.so.1: Shared object "libc.so.4" not found /usr/libexec/ld-elf.so.1: Shared object "libcrypto.so.1" not found Does this mean I need a more recent version of FreeBSD? Or do I need to install something else first? Thanks. Ralph Dratman From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Thu Feb 8 23:54:48 2001 Return-Path: Received: from kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.25]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id XAA00288 for ; Thu, 8 Feb 2001 23:54:48 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id XAA02663 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Thu, 8 Feb 2001 23:54:48 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id XAA02650 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Thu, 8 Feb 2001 23:54:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from mta4.snfc21.pbi.net (mta4.snfc21.pbi.net [206.13.28.142]) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id XAA02627 for ; Thu, 8 Feb 2001 23:54:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from 192.168.1.201 ([63.194.20.108]) by mta4.snfc21.pbi.net (Sun Internet Mail Server sims.3.5.2000.01.05.12.18.p9) with SMTP id <0G8H00JZI4B502@mta4.snfc21.pbi.net> for netatalk-admins@umich.edu; Thu, 8 Feb 2001 20:54:43 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 08 Feb 2001 20:47:39 -0800 From: Alex Alegado Subject: Re: OPI Server ready In-reply-to: To: netatalk-admins@umich.edu Message-id: <0G8H00JZJ4B602@mta4.snfc21.pbi.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mailsmith 1.1.4 (Bluto) Content-type: text/plain; Charset=US-ASCII X-Priority: 3 OPI is **THE** Holy Grail the print industry is looking for. The trade mags mention Linux as a curiosity and of the few sites that use Linux, the stumbling block to full deployment is the lack of a good OPI solution. Unless the site was using it solely for file- and non-OPI print services, there's always the OPI caveat mentioned in the articles. SIGH. The leading solutions are either NT-based (ScenicSoft's "Color Central" or IPTech's "CanOPI") or commercial Unix-based (Xinet's "FullPress" or Helios' "EtherShare"). In principle, all it needs to be is a filter for a printer queue. The filter would grep the PostScript stream and every time it sees an OPI "Comment" it grabs the filename listed in the comment and substitutes the file for the comment. Naturally, all kinds of intelligence needs to be built in to the filter for validating the OPI comment and dealing with the potential for super-hairy filenames which are, unfortunately, common on Macintosh volumes. CanOPI from the list above does the file substitution on the fly while most of the others (I'm not sure about FullPress) write a new (larger) file as the input job is processed. CanOPI's method is slick since it minimizes diskspace requirements on the OPI server and the read/write penalty. On 2/6/01 at 2:06 AM, Bruce A. Burdick, Jr. wrote some or all of the following... > If I recall correctly, in the publishing industry an OPI server is one that > swaps high resolution images for low resolution images (often called "FPO"s > for "For Placement Only"). I guess the connection to netatalk is that Macs > have been big in publishing and a cheap Linux box with netatalk and a good > open source OPI server would make for an interesting bargain. I don't > remember what OPI stands for (Open Press Interface?). > > -B... > > > From: Volker Birk > > Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2001 08:14:21 +0100 > > To: "Frank Morton" > > Cc: "Volker Birk" , > > Subject: Re: OPI Server ready > > Resent-From: netatalk-admins@umich.edu > > Resent-Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2001 02:19:07 -0500 (EST) > > > > On Mon, Feb 05, 2001 at 01:43:32PM -0500, Frank Morton wrote: > >> Good! Does it include utilities to make fpo images? > > > > What are fpo images? > > > > VB. > > -- > > *** ebios Informationssysteme, Germany *** vb@kangu:~ $ cd /pub/ > > *** Gut-Betha-Platz 1, 88339 Bad Waldsee *** vb@kangu:/pub $ more beer > > *** Phone +49-7524-93421 Fax +49-7524-93423 *** Aaahhhh! That was good! > > *** mailto:vb@ebios.de *** vb@kangu:/pub $ _ > > -- ========================================================================== Alex Alegado, alex@alegado.com, 626.524.0624 Cel w/VMail Prepress Supervisor, California Plasticard 213.742.9852 Voice, 213.742.0086 FAX, http://www.cpicardgroup.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------- the.ThoughtShop.net -- Low-cost web-hosting and design... Apache-based Miva, CGI, PHP, MySQL support info@thoughtshop.net, http://the.ThoughtShop.net ========================================================================== From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Fri Feb 9 03:55:02 2001 Return-Path: Received: from funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.27]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id DAA04263 for ; Fri, 9 Feb 2001 03:55:02 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id DAA02345 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Fri, 9 Feb 2001 03:54:56 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id DAA02340 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Fri, 9 Feb 2001 03:54:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from igw1.edipresse.ch (igw1.edipresse.ch [194.209.141.131]) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id DAA02320 for ; Fri, 9 Feb 2001 03:54:54 -0500 (EST) Received: (from root@localhost) by igw1.edipresse.ch (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA12606; Fri, 9 Feb 2001 09:55:04 +0100 (MET) Received: from unknown(172.16.11.46) by igw1.edipresse.ch via smap (V2.1+anti-relay+anti-spam) id xma012601; Fri, 9 Feb 01 09:54:57 +0100 Received: by meloe.edipresse.ch with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Fri, 9 Feb 2001 09:54:12 +0100 Message-ID: <9F9FCF268C46D411B60600508B6F8726A2764A@meloe.edipresse.ch> From: Michalowski Thierry To: "'Alex Alegado'" , netatalk-admins@umich.edu Subject: RE: OPI Server ready Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2001 09:54:11 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C09275.DF2B7510" This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C09275.DF2B7510 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Hi, OPI needs to be far more intelligent that you mention. Just replacing an OPI comment with a file is no OPI: it has to process other comments, especially when the high-resolution file is a TIFF file. Just have a look at the original Adobe OPI 1.3 specs for it. As a side note, OPI **was** the holy grail for the printing industry, but since most products fail miserably to be up-to-date with the latest tricks in image processing, most of the publishing houses I know are trying to bypass the OPI. Reliability vs performances tradeoff... Next thing is: you need another tool to build FPO files, for placing them into your pagination program (such as Quark XPRess). It is true that you could, in principle, place the high-resolution files, and then print with OPI enabled. But in such a case you will lose half of the OPI benefits. There comes again the question for this opi3 product: does it include any tool for automatic creation of theses FPO files? I've never seen the answer, and don't want to dig into a bug source tarfile to figure out that kind of things...thanks to the author for answering, please! Last thing is also that you fail to mention two things concerning the Helios solution (but hey, that's not a big deal!). It runs on Linux (RedHat),and even ships with a ready-to-install Linux RedHat system on the CD. Helios seems to have been pushing the Linux version for a year now. Helios OPI does on-the-fly job processing, provided that the queues are AppleTalk(PAP)-based only. It is still true that it will locally spool everything if you are using another printing method (such as pure LPR). (There is also a proprietary TCP/IP printing method, but I don't know many RIPs that can do it, Fuji seem to do.) Sorry if all of this sounds too pedantic, it really shouldn't! But I felt like I should share my knowledge with others ;-) HTH Thierry Michalowski -----Original Message----- From: Alex Alegado [mailto:alex@alegado.com] Sent: Friday, February 09, 2001 5:48 AM To: netatalk-admins@umich.edu Subject: Re: OPI Server ready OPI is **THE** Holy Grail the print industry is looking for. The trade mags mention Linux as a curiosity and of the few sites that use Linux, the stumbling block to full deployment is the lack of a good OPI solution. Unless the site was using it solely for file- and non-OPI print services, there's always the OPI caveat mentioned in the articles. SIGH. The leading solutions are either NT-based (ScenicSoft's "Color Central" or IPTech's "CanOPI") or commercial Unix-based (Xinet's "FullPress" or Helios' "EtherShare"). In principle, all it needs to be is a filter for a printer queue. The filter would grep the PostScript stream and every time it sees an OPI "Comment" it grabs the filename listed in the comment and substitutes the file for the comment. Naturally, all kinds of intelligence needs to be built in to the filter for validating the OPI comment and dealing with the potential for super-hairy filenames which are, unfortunately, common on Macintosh volumes. CanOPI from the list above does the file substitution on the fly while most of the others (I'm not sure about FullPress) write a new (larger) file as the input job is processed. CanOPI's method is slick since it minimizes diskspace requirements on the OPI server and the read/write penalty. On 2/6/01 at 2:06 AM, Bruce A. Burdick, Jr. wrote some or all of the following... > If I recall correctly, in the publishing industry an OPI server is one that > swaps high resolution images for low resolution images (often called "FPO"s > for "For Placement Only"). I guess the connection to netatalk is that Macs > have been big in publishing and a cheap Linux box with netatalk and a good > open source OPI server would make for an interesting bargain. I don't > remember what OPI stands for (Open Press Interface?). > > -B... > > > From: Volker Birk > > Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2001 08:14:21 +0100 > > To: "Frank Morton" > > Cc: "Volker Birk" , > > Subject: Re: OPI Server ready > > Resent-From: netatalk-admins@umich.edu > > Resent-Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2001 02:19:07 -0500 (EST) > > > > On Mon, Feb 05, 2001 at 01:43:32PM -0500, Frank Morton wrote: > >> Good! Does it include utilities to make fpo images? > > > > What are fpo images? > > > > VB. > > -- > > *** ebios Informationssysteme, Germany *** vb@kangu:~ $ cd /pub/ > > *** Gut-Betha-Platz 1, 88339 Bad Waldsee *** vb@kangu:/pub $ more beer > > *** Phone +49-7524-93421 Fax +49-7524-93423 *** Aaahhhh! That was good! > > *** mailto:vb@ebios.de *** vb@kangu:/pub $ _ > > -- ========================================================================== Alex Alegado, alex@alegado.com, 626.524.0624 Cel w/VMail Prepress Supervisor, California Plasticard 213.742.9852 Voice, 213.742.0086 FAX, http://www.cpicardgroup.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------- the.ThoughtShop.net -- Low-cost web-hosting and design... Apache-based Miva, CGI, PHP, MySQL support info@thoughtshop.net, http://the.ThoughtShop.net ========================================================================== ------_=_NextPart_001_01C09275.DF2B7510 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: OPI Server ready

Hi,

OPI needs to be far more intelligent that you = mention. Just replacing an OPI comment with a file is no OPI: it has to = process other comments, especially when the high-resolution file is a = TIFF file. Just have a look at the original Adobe OPI 1.3 specs for = it.

As a side note, OPI **was** the holy grail for the = printing industry, but since most products fail miserably to be = up-to-date with the latest tricks in image processing, most of the = publishing houses I know are trying to bypass the OPI. Reliability vs = performances tradeoff...

Next thing is: you need another tool to build FPO = files, for placing them into your pagination program (such as Quark = XPRess). It is true that you could, in principle, place the = high-resolution files, and then print with OPI enabled. But in such a = case you will lose half of the OPI benefits.

There comes again the question for this opi3 product: = does it include any tool for automatic creation of theses FPO files? = I've never seen the answer, and don't want to dig into a bug source = tarfile to figure out that kind of things...thanks to the author for = answering, please!

Last thing is also that you fail to mention two = things concerning the Helios solution (but hey, that's not a big = deal!).

It runs on Linux (RedHat),and even ships with a = ready-to-install Linux RedHat system on the CD. Helios seems to have = been pushing the Linux version for a year now.

Helios OPI does on-the-fly job processing, provided = that the queues are AppleTalk(PAP)-based only. It is still true that it = will locally spool everything if you are using another printing method = (such as pure LPR). (There is also a proprietary TCP/IP printing = method, but I don't know many RIPs that can do it, Fuji seem to = do.)

Sorry if all of this sounds too pedantic, it really = shouldn't! But I felt like I should share my knowledge with others = ;-)

HTH
Thierry Michalowski



-----Original Message-----
From: Alex Alegado [mailto:alex@alegado.com]
Sent: Friday, February 09, 2001 5:48 AM
To: netatalk-admins@umich.edu
Subject: Re: OPI Server ready


OPI is **THE** Holy Grail the print industry is = looking for. The trade mags
mention Linux as a curiosity and of the few sites = that use Linux, the stumbling
block to full deployment is the lack of a good OPI = solution. Unless the site was
using it solely for file- and non-OPI print = services, there's always the OPI
caveat mentioned in the articles. SIGH.

The leading solutions are either NT-based = (ScenicSoft's "Color Central" or
IPTech's "CanOPI") or commercial = Unix-based (Xinet's "FullPress" or Helios'
"EtherShare").

In principle, all it needs to be is a filter for a = printer queue. The filter
would grep the PostScript stream and every time it = sees an OPI "Comment" it
grabs the filename listed in the comment and = substitutes the file for the
comment. Naturally, all kinds of intelligence needs = to be built in to the filter
for validating the OPI comment and dealing with the = potential for super-hairy
filenames which are, unfortunately, common on = Macintosh volumes.

CanOPI from the list above does the file substitution = on the fly while most of
the others (I'm not sure about FullPress) write a = new (larger) file as the input
job is processed. CanOPI's method is slick since it = minimizes diskspace
requirements on the OPI server and the read/write = penalty.



On 2/6/01 at 2:06 AM, Bruce A. Burdick, Jr. = <bucky@interaccess.com> wrote some
or all of the following...

> If I recall correctly, in the publishing = industry an OPI server is one that
> swaps high resolution images for low resolution = images (often called "FPO"s
> for "For Placement Only"). I guess = the connection to netatalk is that Macs
> have been big in publishing and a cheap Linux = box with netatalk and a good
> open source OPI server would make for an = interesting bargain. I don't
> remember what OPI stands for (Open Press = Interface?).
>
> -B...
>
> > From: Volker Birk = <vb@kanguruh.ebios.de>
> > Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2001 08:14:21 = +0100
> > To: "Frank Morton" = <fmorton@base2inc.com>
> > Cc: "Volker Birk" = <vb@kanguruh.ebios.de>, <netatalk-admins@umich.edu>
> > Subject: Re: OPI Server ready
> > Resent-From: = netatalk-admins@umich.edu
> > Resent-Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2001 02:19:07 = -0500 (EST)
> >
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------_=_NextPart_001_01C09275.DF2B7510-- From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Fri Feb 9 07:03:22 2001 Return-Path: Received: from kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.25]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id HAA07222 for ; Fri, 9 Feb 2001 07:03:21 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id HAA02104 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Fri, 9 Feb 2001 07:03:21 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id HAA02075 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Fri, 9 Feb 2001 07:03:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from linear.dsi.uniroma1.it ([151.100.17.89]) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id HAA02016 for ; Fri, 9 Feb 2001 07:03:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from linear.dsi.uniroma1.it (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by linear.dsi.uniroma1.it (Postfix) with SMTP id 0390566623; Fri, 9 Feb 2001 13:02:22 +0100 (CET) From: Stefano Guerrini To: netatalk-admins@umich.edu Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2001 13:02:22 +0100 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Organization: DSI Roma La Sapienza MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <01020913020500.01513@linear.dsi.uniroma1.it> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: Problem in configuring netatalk Hello, I have dowloaded the netatalk rpm (t1.5pre3 for Mandrake, I am running Mandrake 7.2). But, I have the following problem when I try to start the daemon Starting AppleTalk services: socket: Invalid argument socket: Invalid argument atalkd: can't get interfaces, exiting. I just tried adding eth0 to atalk.conf. But it does not work. I would be very happy if you can give me some help. Best wishes -- Stefano Guerrini - Dipartimento di Scienze dell'Informazione Via Salaria, 113 - 00198 Roma - Italy phone: +39 06.4991.8434 fax: +39 06.854.1842 mailto:guerrini@dsi.uniroma1.it http://www.dsi.uniroma1.it/~guerrini From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Fri Feb 9 07:48:35 2001 Return-Path: Received: from easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.26]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id HAA07936 for ; Fri, 9 Feb 2001 07:48:35 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id HAA18957 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Fri, 9 Feb 2001 07:48:35 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id HAA18948 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Fri, 9 Feb 2001 07:48:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from phynp6.phy-astr.gsu.edu (phynp6.Phy-Astr.Gsu.EDU [131.96.4.60]) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with SMTP id HAA18924 for ; Fri, 9 Feb 2001 07:48:33 -0500 (EST) From: stephen@phynp6.phy-astr.gsu.edu Received: (qmail 31204 invoked by uid 508); 9 Feb 2001 12:56:49 -0000 Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2001 07:56:49 -0500 To: Stefano Guerrini , netatalk-admins@umich.edu Subject: Re: Problem in configuring netatalk Message-ID: <20010209075649.A31196@phynp6.phy-astr.gsu.edu> References: <01020913020500.01513@linear.dsi.uniroma1.it> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i In-Reply-To: <01020913020500.01513@linear.dsi.uniroma1.it>; from guerrini@dsi.uniroma1.it on Fri, Feb 09, 2001 at 01:02:22PM +0100 On Fri, Feb 09, 2001 at 01:02:22PM +0100, Stefano Guerrini wrote: > Hello, > > I have dowloaded the netatalk rpm (t1.5pre3 for Mandrake, I am running > Mandrake 7.2). > > But, I have the following problem when I try to start the daemon > > Starting AppleTalk services: socket: Invalid argument > socket: Invalid argument > atalkd: can't get interfaces, exiting. You either don't have appletalk compiled into your kernel or the appletalk module is not loaded. Try dmesg | grep -i appletalk to see if it's compiled into your kernel. Then try modprobe appletalk to load the module. Also make sure you have alias net-pf-5 appletalk in /etc/conf.modules Stephen > > I just tried adding > > eth0 > > to atalk.conf. But it does not work. > > I would be very happy if you can give me some help. > > Best wishes > > -- > Stefano Guerrini - Dipartimento di Scienze dell'Informazione > Via Salaria, 113 - 00198 Roma - Italy > phone: +39 06.4991.8434 fax: +39 06.854.1842 > mailto:guerrini@dsi.uniroma1.it http://www.dsi.uniroma1.it/~guerrini > From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Fri Feb 9 09:24:42 2001 Return-Path: Received: from funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.27]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id JAA09958 for ; Fri, 9 Feb 2001 09:24:42 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id JAA11067 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Fri, 9 Feb 2001 09:24:36 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id JAA11060 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Fri, 9 Feb 2001 09:24:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from cage.whatazoo.com (whatazoo.com [208.23.179.242]) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id JAA11047 for ; Fri, 9 Feb 2001 09:24:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (murley@localhost) by cage.whatazoo.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA28383; Fri, 9 Feb 2001 08:25:48 -0600 Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2001 08:25:48 -0600 (CST) From: Chris Murley X-Sender: murley@cage.whatazoo.com To: Stefano Guerrini cc: netatalk-admins@umich.edu Subject: Re: Problem in configuring netatalk In-Reply-To: <01020913020500.01513@linear.dsi.uniroma1.it> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Ahh see i just had this problem yesterday , you have to modprobe iddp -Chris ----------------------- Christopher Murley Application Index http://www.appindex.net http://www.appindex.org ----------------------- On Fri, 9 Feb 2001, Stefano Guerrini wrote: > Hello, > > I have dowloaded the netatalk rpm (t1.5pre3 for Mandrake, I am running > Mandrake 7.2). > > But, I have the following problem when I try to start the daemon > > Starting AppleTalk services: socket: Invalid argument > socket: Invalid argument > atalkd: can't get interfaces, exiting. > > I just tried adding > > eth0 > > to atalk.conf. But it does not work. > > I would be very happy if you can give me some help. > > Best wishes > > -- > Stefano Guerrini - Dipartimento di Scienze dell'Informazione > Via Salaria, 113 - 00198 Roma - Italy > phone: +39 06.4991.8434 fax: +39 06.854.1842 > mailto:guerrini@dsi.uniroma1.it http://www.dsi.uniroma1.it/~guerrini > From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Fri Feb 9 09:25:04 2001 Return-Path: Received: from funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.27]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id JAA09976 for ; Fri, 9 Feb 2001 09:25:03 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id JAA11402 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Fri, 9 Feb 2001 09:24:57 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id JAA11397 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Fri, 9 Feb 2001 09:24:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from cage.whatazoo.com (whatazoo.com [208.23.179.242]) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id JAA11382 for ; Fri, 9 Feb 2001 09:24:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (murley@localhost) by cage.whatazoo.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA28403 for ; Fri, 9 Feb 2001 08:26:42 -0600 Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2001 08:26:42 -0600 (CST) From: Chris Murley X-Sender: murley@cage.whatazoo.com To: Netatalk Admins List Subject: Re: Help In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > I have it working, thanks to jeff, i hade to run: > > modprobe ipddp so i added that to my init scripts... now i get a wierd > erroer int he messages file: > > Feb 8 11:06:50 rhfsrv1 afpd[24871]: refused connect from 209.247.231.69 > Feb 8 11:06:50 rhfsrv1 afpd[24871]: dsi_getsess: No such file ordirectory > > Why would the connection be refused? > > and what is dsi_getsess? > > Does anyone konw why this would happen? > > -Chris > > ----------------------- > Christopher Murley > Application Index > http://www.appindex.net > http://www.appindex.org > ----------------------- > > On Thu, 8 Feb 2001, Crystal wrote: > > > on 2/8/01 10:41 AM, Chris Murley at murley@appindex.net wrote: > > > > > But i have done a modprobe appletalk, and is does load.... > > > > > > This exact setup was working 2 days ago. > > > > > > > > > -Chris > > > > Type ifconfig and see what information comes up on the interface(s). Does it > > already have an EtherTalk address assigned to it? > > > > C. > > > > > From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Fri Feb 9 10:49:05 2001 Return-Path: Received: from easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.26]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id KAA11742 for ; Fri, 9 Feb 2001 10:49:05 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id KAA00986 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Fri, 9 Feb 2001 10:49:05 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id KAA00970 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Fri, 9 Feb 2001 10:49:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from linear.dsi.uniroma1.it ([151.100.17.89]) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id KAA00914 for ; Fri, 9 Feb 2001 10:49:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from linear.dsi.uniroma1.it (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by linear.dsi.uniroma1.it (Postfix) with SMTP id 09E9C66622; Fri, 9 Feb 2001 16:48:38 +0100 (CET) From: Stefano Guerrini Organization: DSI Roma La Sapienza To: stephen@phynp6.phy-astr.gsu.edu, netatalk-admins@umich.edu Subject: Re: Problem in configuring netatalk Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2001 16:48:37 +0100 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" References: <01020913020500.01513@linear.dsi.uniroma1.it> <20010209075649.A31196@phynp6.phy-astr.gsu.edu> In-Reply-To: <20010209075649.A31196@phynp6.phy-astr.gsu.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <01020916483701.01928@linear.dsi.uniroma1.it> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Great. It worked. Adding alias net-pf-5 appletalk the appletalk module is loaded and everything works fine. Thank you everybody. Cheers --s On Friday 09 February 2001 13:56, stephen@phynp6.phy-astr.gsu.edu wrote: > On Fri, Feb 09, 2001 at 01:02:22PM +0100, Stefano Guerrini wrote: > > Hello, > > > > I have dowloaded the netatalk rpm (t1.5pre3 for Mandrake, I am running > > Mandrake 7.2). > > > > But, I have the following problem when I try to start the daemon > > > > Starting AppleTalk services: socket: Invalid argument > > socket: Invalid argument > > atalkd: can't get interfaces, exiting. > > You either don't have appletalk compiled into your kernel > or the appletalk module is not loaded. Try > > dmesg | grep -i appletalk > > to see if it's compiled into your kernel. Then try > > modprobe appletalk > > to load the module. Also make sure you have > > alias net-pf-5 appletalk > > in /etc/conf.modules > > Stephen > > > I just tried adding > > > > eth0 > > > > to atalk.conf. But it does not work. > > > > I would be very happy if you can give me some help. > > > > Best wishes > > -- Stefano Guerrini - Dipartimento di Scienze dell'Informazione Via Salaria, 113 - 00198 Roma - Italy phone: +39 06.4991.8434 fax: +39 06.854.1842 mailto:guerrini@dsi.uniroma1.it http://www.dsi.uniroma1.it/~guerrini From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Fri Feb 9 13:48:45 2001 Return-Path: Received: from funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.27]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id NAA15795 for ; Fri, 9 Feb 2001 13:48:45 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id NAA13853 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Fri, 9 Feb 2001 13:48:38 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id NAA13842 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Fri, 9 Feb 2001 13:48:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from clever.visp-europe.psi.com (clever.visp-europe.psi.com [212.222.105.4]) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id NAA13826 for ; Fri, 9 Feb 2001 13:48:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from n247-6.berlin.snafu.de ([195.21.247.6] helo=athlet.deltaman.de) by clever.visp-europe.psi.com with esmtp (Exim 3.22 #1) id 14RIb3-0004l7-00 for netatalk-admins@umich.edu; Fri, 09 Feb 2001 19:48:41 +0100 Received: from athlet (root@athlet.deltaman.de [192.168.1.1]) by athlet.deltaman.de (8.9.3/8.9.3/SuSE Linux 8.9.3-0.1) with SMTP id KAA16469 for ; Fri, 9 Feb 2001 10:49:34 +0100 From: Carsten Neumann Reply-To: deltor@snafu.de To: netatalk-admins@umich.edu Subject: RE: OPI Server ready Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2001 10:35:13 +0100 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.0.28] Content-Type: text/plain References: <9F9FCF268C46D411B60600508B6F8726A2764A@meloe.edipresse.ch> In-Reply-To: <9F9FCF268C46D411B60600508B6F8726A2764A@meloe.edipresse.ch> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <01020910493400.16167@athlet> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu id NAA15795 On Fri, 09 Feb 2001, Michalowski Thierry wrote: > > Hi, > [snip] PLEASE, PLEASE, NO MORE HTML!!! Carsten From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Fri Feb 9 14:27:34 2001 Return-Path: Received: from funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.27]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id OAA17137 for ; Fri, 9 Feb 2001 14:27:34 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id OAA02684 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Fri, 9 Feb 2001 14:27:28 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id OAA02659 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Fri, 9 Feb 2001 14:27:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from clever.visp-europe.psi.com (clever.visp-europe.psi.com [212.222.105.4]) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id OAA02627 for ; Fri, 9 Feb 2001 14:27:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from n246-59.berlin.snafu.de ([195.21.246.59] helo=athlet.deltaman.de) by clever.visp-europe.psi.com with esmtp (Exim 3.22 #1) id 14RJCc-0000Xz-00 for netatalk-admins@umich.edu; Fri, 09 Feb 2001 20:27:30 +0100 Received: from athlet (root@athlet.deltaman.de [192.168.1.1]) by athlet.deltaman.de (8.9.3/8.9.3/SuSE Linux 8.9.3-0.1) with SMTP id UAA17772 for ; Fri, 9 Feb 2001 20:26:52 +0100 From: Carsten Neumann Reply-To: deltor@snafu.de To: netatalk-admins@umich.edu Subject: Re: Problem in configuring netatalk Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2001 20:12:13 +0100 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.0.28] Content-Type: text/plain References: <01020913020500.01513@linear.dsi.uniroma1.it> <20010209075649.A31196@phynp6.phy-astr.gsu.edu> In-Reply-To: <20010209075649.A31196@phynp6.phy-astr.gsu.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <01020920225200.17499@athlet> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu id OAA17137 On Fri, 09 Feb 2001, stephen@phynp6.phy-astr.gsu.edu wrote: [snip] > to load the module. Also make sure you have > > alias net-pf-5 appletalk > > in /etc/conf.modules > > Stephen You have to look if conf.modules isn't a symlink to modules.conf. The symlink is due to historical reasons. some editors might remove it and replace it by a regular file if you edit the symlink, so the module loader will just see the old modules.conf file. I once had such an encounter. Regards Carsten From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Fri Feb 9 16:34:10 2001 Return-Path: Received: from funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.27]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id QAA22116 for ; Fri, 9 Feb 2001 16:34:09 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id QAA07861 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Fri, 9 Feb 2001 16:34:03 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id QAA07852 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Fri, 9 Feb 2001 16:34:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from ns1.ihonk.com ([216.237.145.12]) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id QAA07826 for ; Fri, 9 Feb 2001 16:34:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from [192.168.0.2] (2lane.com [216.102.224.138]) by ns1.ihonk.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB74B5F83C; Fri, 9 Feb 2001 13:34:05 -0800 (PST) User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Fri, 09 Feb 2001 13:34:14 -0800 Subject: Re: CRLF fun stuff again... From: Steve Freitas To: Matthew Geier , Duncan Sinclair , , jeff Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <3A7DEECE.60069353@arts.usyd.edu.au> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit > It is worth noting that the Samba team have point blank refused to add > any form of 'translation' to Samba. It serves files exactly 'as is'. > They argue that EOL conventions are an Application problem and its not > the file servers job to try and guess what the user is up to and mess > around with the contents of the files. I think that is absolutely the right thing to do. I've had this CR/LF thing munge up whole ISOs for me, even when it's turned off. Sure, the option should be left in, but I don't want my fileserver to, by default, play guessing games with my linefeeds, which is what it seems to be doing, as least as far as my inexperienced eyes can tell (referencing my much earlier thread on this topic). When you've got to remember to add a line to AppleVolumes.system just to keep a file with a new suffix from being corrupted, that's just bad. Jeff, what do you think? :-) Steve From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Fri Feb 9 16:45:49 2001 Return-Path: Received: from funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.27]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id QAA22316 for ; Fri, 9 Feb 2001 16:45:49 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id QAA21936 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Fri, 9 Feb 2001 16:45:43 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id QAA21922 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Fri, 9 Feb 2001 16:45:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from univrel.pr.uconn.edu (univrel.pr.uconn.edu [137.99.59.30]) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id QAA21890 for ; Fri, 9 Feb 2001 16:45:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from univrel.pr.uconn.edu (root@test.pr.uconn.edu [137.99.59.90]) by univrel.pr.uconn.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id QAA00705; Fri, 9 Feb 2001 16:44:38 -0500 Sender: root@univrel.pr.uconn.edu Message-ID: <3A84645B.54969AAD@univrel.pr.uconn.edu> Date: Fri, 09 Feb 2001 16:42:51 -0500 From: jeff X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.0-0.14mdk i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Steve Freitas CC: Matthew Geier , Duncan Sinclair , netatalk-admins@umich.edu Subject: Re: CRLF fun stuff again... References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Steve Freitas wrote: > > It is worth noting that the Samba team have point blank refused to add > > any form of 'translation' to Samba. It serves files exactly 'as is'. > > They argue that EOL conventions are an Application problem and its not > > the file servers job to try and guess what the user is up to and mess > > around with the contents of the files. > > I think that is absolutely the right thing to do. I've had this CR/LF thing > munge up whole ISOs for me, even when it's turned off. Sure, the option > should be left in, but I don't want my fileserver to, by default, play > guessing games with my linefeeds, which is what it seems to be doing, as > least as far as my inexperienced eyes can tell (referencing my much earlier > thread on this topic). > > When you've got to remember to add a line to AppleVolumes.system just to > keep a file with a new suffix from being corrupted, that's just bad. > > Jeff, what do you think? :-) Munging files is bad. If we want to move CRLF translation to a compile-time option, that's a fine solution; those who want to compile it in, can. If an Apple (tm) AppleShareIP server doesn't do the translation, we probably shouldn't do it by default, either. Reliability, then neat features. jeff (We might want to nudge the Samba people gently about the --with-netatalk support in Samba, and de-stub-ing it sometime.) From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Fri Feb 9 18:39:14 2001 Return-Path: Received: from easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.26]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id SAA25491 for ; Fri, 9 Feb 2001 18:39:14 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id SAA00324 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Fri, 9 Feb 2001 18:39:14 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id SAA00310 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Fri, 9 Feb 2001 18:39:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from quartz.dis.strath.ac.uk (quartz.dis.strath.ac.uk [130.159.120.5]) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id SAA00262 for ; Fri, 9 Feb 2001 18:39:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from dis.strath.ac.uk (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by quartz.dis.strath.ac.uk (8.11.0/8.11.0/2.7) with ESMTP id f19Nc3Z22334; Fri, 9 Feb 2001 23:38:03 GMT To: Steve Freitas cc: Matthew Geier , netatalk-admins@umich.edu, jeff Subject: Re: CRLF fun stuff again... In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 09 Feb 2001 13:34:14 PST." Date: Fri, 09 Feb 2001 23:38:03 +0000 Message-ID: <22332.981761883@dis.strath.ac.uk> From: Duncan Sinclair Hi, >Someone (sorry, can't remember who) wrote: >> It is worth noting that the Samba team have point blank refused to add >> any form of 'translation' to Samba. It serves files exactly 'as is'. What Samba does is of no great consequence to me. But I will say that Windows' CR&LF at least allows files to be manipulated fairly easy on the Unix side. Steve Freitas writes: >I think that is absolutely the right thing to do. I've had this CR/LF thing >munge up whole ISOs for me, even when it's turned off. How???? >When you've got to remember to add a line to AppleVolumes.system just to >keep a file with a new suffix from being corrupted, that's just bad. Doesn't cr/lf need to be explicitly turned on the in the options for the share? But maybe the default AppleVolumes.system wants to be changed too. My AppleVolumes.system file has commentary on this issue that doesn't seem to be in the current version: # default translation -- note that CR <-> LF translation is done on all # files of type TEXT. The first line turns off translation for files of # unknown type, the second turns this translation on. # . BINA UNIX # . TEXT UNIX The AppleVolumes.system really should be split into two different files - one with the actual volume info, and a second one for files types. I can't remember - can these settings be changed on a per-share basis? (Maybe they should even be settable on a per-directory basis (a la Apache .htaccess file.) I'll repeat again my position: if netatalk is going to have this feature, and there's evidence that people want it, then it should work properly. People who don't want this feature should be unaffected by it. Cheers, Duncan. From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Fri Feb 9 19:09:31 2001 Return-Path: Received: from easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.26]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id TAA26319 for ; Fri, 9 Feb 2001 19:09:31 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id TAA10516 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Fri, 9 Feb 2001 19:09:31 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id TAA10493 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Fri, 9 Feb 2001 19:09:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from logan.ucdavis.edu (logan.ucdavis.edu [169.237.105.35]) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id TAA10455 for ; Fri, 9 Feb 2001 19:09:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (itlm019@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by logan.ucdavis.edu (8.11.1/8.11.0/IT4.4.8) with ESMTP id f1A094f01112; Fri, 9 Feb 2001 16:09:04 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2001 16:09:04 -0800 (PST) From: Marc Miller X-Sender: itlm019@logan.ucdavis.edu To: Duncan Sinclair cc: Steve Freitas , Matthew Geier , netatalk-admins@umich.edu, jeff Subject: Re: CRLF fun stuff again... In-Reply-To: <22332.981761883@dis.strath.ac.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Fri, 9 Feb 2001, Duncan Sinclair wrote: > Steve Freitas writes: > >I think that is absolutely the right thing to do. I've had this CR/LF thing > >munge up whole ISOs for me, even when it's turned off. > > How???? The right sequence of binary code will translate to MacOS linefeed. If netatalk intercepts this and translates it to a Unix linefeed, it has just rewritten a binary file, perhaps even rewritten a program as it's being copied. > The AppleVolumes.system really should be split into two different > files - one with the actual volume info, and a second one for > files types. I can't remember - can these settings be changed on > a per-share basis? (Maybe they should even be settable on a > per-directory basis (a la Apache .htaccess file.) AppleVolumes.default has the volume info. The .AppleVolumes file in the user's home directory overrides that default if present. > I'll repeat again my position: if netatalk is going to have this > feature, and there's evidence that people want it, then it should > work properly. People who don't want this feature should be > unaffected by it. I agree. But if MacOS no longer specifies whether the data is binary or text when it's being copied in the first place, there's nothing netatalk can do about it. If we write a complex algorithm to analyze the file looking for non-alphanumeric characters in an attempt to determine whether the file is text or binary, we slow down afpd significantly. My suggestion: talk to Apple. Get their client side to properly declare whether the AppleShare transfer is text or binary when it's being copied and CR/LF will work just fine as is and without damaging binary files. ============================================================ /\/\arc ._|. /\/\iller (itlm019@mailbox.ucdavis.edu) Computer Room Consultant Information Technology/Lab Management ============================================================ I can be contacted through the Communication Center link from http://www.mother.com/~mjmiller/ From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Sat Feb 10 02:07:33 2001 Return-Path: Received: from funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.27]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id CAA04898 for ; Sat, 10 Feb 2001 02:07:33 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id CAA02416 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Sat, 10 Feb 2001 02:07:26 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id CAA02399 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Sat, 10 Feb 2001 02:07:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from icompute.com ([209.46.8.66]) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id CAA02362 for ; Sat, 10 Feb 2001 02:07:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from [209.46.8.69] (209.46.8.69) by icompute.com with ESMTP (Eudora Internet Mail Server 2.2.2); Sat, 10 Feb 2001 01:07:19 -0600 X-Sender: donlee_in@icompute.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <22332.981761883@dis.strath.ac.uk> References: Your message of "Fri, 09 Feb 2001 13:34:14 PST." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2001 01:07:09 -0600 To: Duncan Sinclair , Steve Freitas From: Donald Lee Subject: Re: CRLF fun stuff again... Cc: Matthew Geier , netatalk-admins@umich.edu, jeff At 5:38 PM -0600 2/9/01, Duncan Sinclair wrote: >>When you've got to remember to add a line to AppleVolumes.system just to >>keep a file with a new suffix from being corrupted, that's just bad. > >Doesn't cr/lf need to be explicitly turned on the in the options >for the share? But maybe the default AppleVolumes.system wants >to be changed too. My AppleVolumes.system file has commentary on >this issue that doesn't seem to be in the current version: > > # default translation -- note that CR <-> LF translation is done on all > # files of type TEXT. The first line turns off translation for files of > # unknown type, the second turns this translation on. > # . BINA UNIX > # . TEXT UNIX > >The AppleVolumes.system really should be split into two different >files - one with the actual volume info, and a second one for >files types. I can't remember - can these settings be changed on >a per-share basis? (Maybe they should even be settable on a >per-directory basis (a la Apache .htaccess file.) > >I'll repeat again my position: if netatalk is going to have this >feature, and there's evidence that people want it, then it should >work properly. People who don't want this feature should be >unaffected by it. The problem with this feature is three fold. For one, it is not clear to me that an algorithm can be devised that can be reliable. Two, the conversion is not reversible, and three, the conversion (i.e. corruption) is absolutely silent. The first problem is really much more serious and fundamental than it appears. That is that there is really no way to know, reliably, that a file is of type TEXT. This is because the file type is not intrinsic to the the data. A good example of this is some applications (ref: archives) that write out the data *first* and *then* change the type to "text". The converse also happens. There are utilities that use TEXT as their file types that are not TEXT at all. (most of these, I admit, are programmer/geek tools) One _could_ come up with ways to deal with this, but I'm not at all convinced that they will be "correct". For instance, do you *really* want to make netatalk rip through a given file and change all the returns to linefeeds any time the file type changes to text? Do you want to do this even though the conversion is *not* reversible? If a file type changes from text to something else, do you want to rip through and change all the linefeeds to returns? If the cr/lf conversion were symmetric, it would not bother me so much, but a file that is incorrectly "converted" is utter trash. There is no way to take a binary file that has been "converted" and figure out which of the linefeeds used to be returns. The third problem is serious when you consider that the potential corruption of the first two are fatal to your data, and there is no way for netatalk to know (or report) that you just lost your data. One could put in "safety" checks in the conversion code. For instance, you could check if a file being converted has any high-bits turned on (a sure sign that it's not 7-bit ASCII). OK, what do you *do*??? Would netatalk produce an I/O error at this point? Would it simply stop converting? There is no clean way to deal with this. The upshot of all this is that the feature may or may not be useful, but it is **DANGEROUS** if not fully understood and very carefully used, and I don't think it is possible to make it safe and reliable. -dgl- From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Sat Feb 10 05:11:56 2001 Return-Path: Received: from easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.26]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id FAA07304 for ; Sat, 10 Feb 2001 05:11:56 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id FAA04909 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Sat, 10 Feb 2001 05:11:55 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id FAA04895 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Sat, 10 Feb 2001 05:11:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from ns1.ihonk.com ([216.237.145.12]) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id FAA04858 for ; Sat, 10 Feb 2001 05:11:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from [192.168.0.2] (cx428818-b.irvn1.occa.home.com [24.177.19.184]) by ns1.ihonk.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F31555F83C; Sat, 10 Feb 2001 02:11:52 -0800 (PST) User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2001 02:12:06 -0800 Subject: Re: CRLF fun stuff again... From: Steve Freitas To: Duncan Sinclair Cc: Matthew Geier , , jeff Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <22332.981761883@dis.strath.ac.uk> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Hi. > What Samba does is of no great consequence to me. But I will say > that Windows' CR&LF at least allows files to be manipulated > fairly easy on the Unix side. Duncan, I think the point of mentioning Samba's design is related to the credibility of their approach. That is, some Very Smart People designed Samba, and Samba is vastly more widely deployed in production use than Netatalk. Therefore, there is a high probability that their designs are correct for the majority of users. This is an issue for all cross-platform file servers, and their conclusion carries heavy credibility. >> I think that is absolutely the right thing to do. I've had this CR/LF thing >> munge up whole ISOs for me, even when it's turned off. > > How???? I detailed this in earlier posts. I'm using 1.5pre3 from Mac OS 8.6. The short version, if I can remember correctly: 1. I had no CR/LF enabled for the share. Other config files were as default. 2. I took a file on the Mac, duplicated it and gave the files these two names: "test.iso" and "test.jpg". 3. I checksummed both files on the Mac, then copied them to the Netatalk volume. I then checksummed them again on the Linux box. Test.jpg was unchanged, while test.iso had changed. 4. I added a .iso entry to AppleVolumes.system, and that solved it for .iso. (Disclaimer: This was a while ago and very convoluted, so for the actual results, check the archives. My mail blew up a few weeks ago and I've lost all my archives, so I can't refer you to it.) >> When you've got to remember to add a line to AppleVolumes.system just to >> keep a file with a new suffix from being corrupted, that's just bad. > > Doesn't cr/lf need to be explicitly turned on the in the options > for the share? But maybe the default AppleVolumes.system wants > to be changed too. My AppleVolumes.system file has commentary on > this issue that doesn't seem to be in the current version: I don't know... I discussed it with the list, but everybody I talked to seemed to think that CR/LF was off, and in fact when I explicitly tested its functionality, it was off. However, Netatalk was definitely fiddling with my ISO and corrupting it through linefeeds, and my experimentation showed that. > I'll repeat again my position: if netatalk is going to have this > feature, and there's evidence that people want it, then it should > work properly. People who don't want this feature should be > unaffected by it. If it's possible for it to work properly, I agree. However, my concern is that Netatalk's default configuration (1.5prex) currently permits corruption of binaries, and I think all CR/LF ought to be disabled by default. Steve From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Sat Feb 10 05:19:08 2001 Return-Path: Received: from easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.26]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id FAA07513 for ; Sat, 10 Feb 2001 05:19:07 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id FAA15150 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Sat, 10 Feb 2001 05:19:07 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id FAA15129 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Sat, 10 Feb 2001 05:19:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from quartz.dis.strath.ac.uk (quartz.dis.strath.ac.uk [130.159.120.5]) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id FAA15089 for ; Sat, 10 Feb 2001 05:19:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from dis.strath.ac.uk (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by quartz.dis.strath.ac.uk (8.11.0/8.11.0/2.7) with ESMTP id f1AAIqZ24646; Sat, 10 Feb 2001 10:18:52 GMT To: Donald Lee cc: Steve Freitas , Matthew Geier , netatalk-admins@umich.edu, jeff Subject: Re: CRLF fun stuff again... In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 10 Feb 2001 01:07:09 CST." Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2001 10:18:52 +0000 Message-ID: <24644.981800332@dis.strath.ac.uk> From: Duncan Sinclair Hi Folks, I've received a number of emails about all this stuff. This is the only one I think really _needs_ a reply... Donald Lee writes: >At 5:38 PM -0600 2/9/01, Duncan Sinclair wrote: >>I'll repeat again my position: if netatalk is going to have this >>feature, and there's evidence that people want it, then it should >>work properly. People who don't want this feature should be >>unaffected by it. > >The problem with this feature is three fold. For one, it is not clear to >me that an algorithm can be devised that can be reliable. Two, the >conversion is not reversible, and three, the conversion (i.e. corruption) >is absolutely silent. Let's address these points then... >The first problem is >really much more serious and fundamental than it appears. That is >that there is really no way to know, reliably, that a file is of type TEXT. You know a file is text by two indicators: 1) Its file type is TEXT. 2) It has an extension which tells netatalk it is text. These two indicators cover files created by Macs and files created by Unix, repectively. With a Mac-created file you can change the extension as much as you want and it will not change how netatalk interprets the file. Only if it is marked as "TEXT" will the cr/lf transformation be used. With a unix created file, netatalk doesn't know if it is text or not, so it uses the extension to decide whether to do a transform or not. If a unix file is edited on a Mac it becomes a Mac file at this point. >This is because the file type is not intrinsic to the the data. True. >A good example of this is some applications (ref: archives) that >write out the data *first* and *then* change the type to "text". My suggested enhancement to netatalk would catch this and do the conversion on the fly. >The converse also happens. There are utilities that use TEXT >as their file types that are not TEXT at all. (most of these, I >admit, are programmer/geek tools) This should not matter. The transformation is reversable and so is transparent to the Mac application. >One _could_ come up with ways to deal with this, but I'm not at all >convinced that they will be "correct". For instance, do you *really* want >to make netatalk rip through a given file and change all the returns >to linefeeds any time the file type changes to text? Yes. And all the linefeeds to returns. >Do you want to >do this even though the conversion is *not* reversible? But the transformation is reversible. the conversion is as follows: CR -> LF LF -> CR You do the transformation twice and you get back an identical file. >If a file type changes from text to something else, do you want to >rip through and change all the linefeeds to returns? Yes. Change all the linefeeds to returns, and all the returns to linefeeds. >If the cr/lf conversion were symmetric, it would not bother me >so much, but a file that is incorrectly "converted" is utter >trash. There is no way to take a binary file that has been "converted" >and figure out which of the linefeeds used to be returns. It's a transformation, not a conversion and it is symmetric. >The third problem is serious when you consider that the potential corruption >of the first two are fatal to your data, and there is no way for netatalk >to know (or report) that you just lost your data. One could put in >"safety" checks in the conversion code. For instance, you could check >if a file being converted has any high-bits turned on (a sure sign that it's >not 7-bit ASCII). OK, what do you *do*??? Would netatalk produce an I/O >error at this point? Would it simply stop converting? There is no >clean way to deal with this. If it's handled right you never get corrupted files. You don't (and, yes, shouldn't want to) go checking to see if the file "looks" like text. >The upshot of all this is that the feature may or may not be useful, >but it is **DANGEROUS** if not fully understood and very carefully used, >and I don't think it is possible to make it safe and reliable. Well I think it can be fixed to make it safe and reliable. Cheers, Duncan. From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Sat Feb 10 05:26:52 2001 Return-Path: Received: from easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.26]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id FAA07609 for ; Sat, 10 Feb 2001 05:26:52 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id FAA26364 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Sat, 10 Feb 2001 05:26:52 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id FAA26347 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Sat, 10 Feb 2001 05:26:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from ns1.ihonk.com ([216.237.145.12]) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id FAA26320 for ; Sat, 10 Feb 2001 05:26:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from [192.168.0.2] (cx428818-b.irvn1.occa.home.com [24.177.19.184]) by ns1.ihonk.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 06ED25F83C; Sat, 10 Feb 2001 02:26:50 -0800 (PST) User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2001 02:27:02 -0800 Subject: Re: CRLF fun stuff again... From: Steve Freitas To: Duncan Sinclair , Donald Lee Cc: Matthew Geier , , jeff Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <24644.981800332@dis.strath.ac.uk> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit > But the transformation is reversible. the conversion is as follows: > > CR -> LF > LF -> CR > > You do the transformation twice and you get back an identical file. Not true with all files. Some CR-based files have some LFs in there for other purposes. When your conversion turns all CRs into LFs, you've wiped out the ability to turn the LFs back to CRs without disturbing the original LFs. All LFs become CRs, and your data is corrupted. That's why this transformation qualifies as high-potential corruption when applied to anything but a text file. And we cannot always be sure what is text and what is not, which means this is unsolvable. Steve From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Sat Feb 10 06:02:26 2001 Return-Path: Received: from funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.27]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id GAA08275 for ; Sat, 10 Feb 2001 06:02:26 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id GAA21082 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Sat, 10 Feb 2001 06:02:19 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id GAA21078 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Sat, 10 Feb 2001 06:02:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from latimer.mail.uk.easynet.net (latimer.mail.uk.easynet.net [195.40.1.40]) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id GAA21068 for ; Sat, 10 Feb 2001 06:02:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from fe.int.nan.co.uk (mail.network-analysis.ltd.uk [212.135.212.98]) by latimer.mail.uk.easynet.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C5AC353632 for ; Sat, 10 Feb 2001 11:02:23 +0000 (GMT) Received: by mailhost.int.nan.co.uk (sendmail 8.11.2) with ESMTP id f1AB3L909224; Sat, 10 Feb 2001 11:03:21 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: sw@mailhost.int.nan.co.uk Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <24644.981800332@dis.strath.ac.uk> References: <24644.981800332@dis.strath.ac.uk> X-Mailer: Eudora Pro 4.3 Organization: Network Analysis Ltd Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2001 11:03:19 +0000 To: netatalk-admins@umich.edu From: Sak Wathanasin Subject: Re: CRLF fun stuff again... Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" In reply to Duncan Sinclair's message of the 10/02/2001 at 10:18 +0000, > >The converse also happens. There are utilities that use TEXT >>as their file types that are not TEXT at all. (most of these, I >>admit, are programmer/geek tools) > >This should not matter. The transformation is reversable and so >is transparent to the Mac application. > >... > >Yes. And all the linefeeds to returns. > >>Do you want to >>do this even though the conversion is *not* reversible? > >But the transformation is reversible. the conversion is as follows: No it isn't, not if the file was a binary file in the first place. Think of a binary pixmap embedded in a PS file. There will some bytes in the pixmap that are \0x0A that should not be converted to CRs. -- Sak Wathanasin Network Analysis Limited 178 Wainbody Ave South, Coventry CV3 6BX, UK Internet: sw@nan.co.uk Phone: (+44) 24 76 41 99 96 Mobile: (+44) 79 70 75 19 12 Fax: (+44) 24 76 69 06 90 From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Sat Feb 10 06:11:53 2001 Return-Path: Received: from funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.27]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id GAA08441 for ; Sat, 10 Feb 2001 06:11:53 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id GAA26463 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Sat, 10 Feb 2001 06:11:46 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id GAA26451 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Sat, 10 Feb 2001 06:11:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from quartz.dis.strath.ac.uk (quartz.dis.strath.ac.uk [130.159.120.5]) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id GAA26433 for ; Sat, 10 Feb 2001 06:11:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from dis.strath.ac.uk (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by quartz.dis.strath.ac.uk (8.11.0/8.11.0/2.7) with ESMTP id f1ABBeZ25069; Sat, 10 Feb 2001 11:11:40 GMT To: Steve Freitas cc: Donald Lee , Matthew Geier , netatalk-admins@umich.edu, jeff Subject: Re: CRLF fun stuff again... In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 10 Feb 2001 02:27:02 PST." Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2001 11:11:40 +0000 Message-ID: <25067.981803500@dis.strath.ac.uk> From: Duncan Sinclair Hi, Sorry for the continuing mailbox pollution... Steve Freitas writes: >I wrote: >> But the transformation is reversible. the conversion is as follows: >> >> CR -> LF >> LF -> CR >> >> You do the transformation twice and you get back an identical file. > >Not true with all files. Yes true for all files. No matter what the 8-bit values "13" and "10" mean, you can do this swap twice and you'll get back the exact same file. Here's a test with a binary jpeg file.... (Using GNU tr - Sun's "tr" doesn't cope with binary files - if you repeat this test make sure you use one that does.) quartz:~% sum duncan.jpg 32290 17 duncan.jpg Original file's checksum is 32290 quartz:~% tr '\r\n' '\n\r' < duncan.jpg > foo.jpg quartz:~% sum foo.jpg 13378 17 foo.jpg Transform once, checksum is 13378 quartz:~% tr '\r\n' '\n\r' < foo.jpg > bar.jpg quartz:~% sum bar.jpg 32290 17 bar.jpg Transform a second time, checksum is back to 32290 Convinced yet??? Cheers, Duncan. From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Sat Feb 10 08:35:47 2001 Return-Path: Received: from kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.25]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id IAA10647 for ; Sat, 10 Feb 2001 08:35:47 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id IAA07915 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Sat, 10 Feb 2001 08:35:47 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id IAA07897 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Sat, 10 Feb 2001 08:35:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from sowrong.org (syr-24-24-23-149.twcny.rr.com [24.24.23.149]) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id IAA07855 for ; Sat, 10 Feb 2001 08:35:45 -0500 (EST) Received: (from cjc26@localhost) by sowrong.org (8.11.0/8.11.0) id f1ADZiQ14507 for netatalk-admins@umich.edu; Sat, 10 Feb 2001 08:35:44 -0500 (EST) Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2001 08:35:44 -0500 From: Cliff Crawford To: netatalk-admins@umich.edu Subject: Re: CRLF fun stuff again... Message-ID: <20010210083544.A14484@cornell.edu> References: <25067.981803500@dis.strath.ac.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <25067.981803500@dis.strath.ac.uk>; from sinclair@dis.strath.ac.uk on Sat, Feb 10, 2001 at 11:11:40AM +0000 * Duncan Sinclair menulis: > >> But the transformation is reversible. the conversion is as follows: > >> > >> CR -> LF > >> LF -> CR > >> > >> You do the transformation twice and you get back an identical file. > > > >Not true with all files. > > Yes true for all files. No matter what the 8-bit values "13" and "10" > mean, you can do this swap twice and you'll get back the exact same > file. That's NOT true. Suppose you had a file with the following data in it: 43 0A A2 7B 0D DD 38 0A 8E 0D 43 2F ^^ ^^ There are two LFs already in the file (I underlined them above). Now do CR->LF conversion: 43 0A A2 7B 0A DD 38 0A 8E 0A 43 2F And now try to convert back: 43 0D A2 7B 0D DD 38 0D 8E 0D 43 2F ^^ ^^ The two LFs that were originally in the file have been converted into CRs. There is NO way to tell that they were originally LFs. The file is now irreparably corrupted. > Here's a test with a binary jpeg file.... > > (Using GNU tr - Sun's "tr" doesn't cope with binary files - if you > repeat this test make sure you use one that does.) > > quartz:~% sum duncan.jpg > 32290 17 duncan.jpg > > Original file's checksum is 32290 > > quartz:~% tr '\r\n' '\n\r' < duncan.jpg > foo.jpg > quartz:~% sum foo.jpg > 13378 17 foo.jpg > > Transform once, checksum is 13378 > > quartz:~% tr '\r\n' '\n\r' < foo.jpg > bar.jpg > quartz:~% sum bar.jpg > 32290 17 bar.jpg > > Transform a second time, checksum is back to 32290 > > Convinced yet??? No. You must have got lucky and used a file which didn't have 0x0A in it. -- Cliff Crawford http://www.people.cornell.edu/pages/cjc26/ print "Just another Python hacker" From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Sat Feb 10 09:38:14 2001 Return-Path: Received: from funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.27]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id JAA11523 for ; Sat, 10 Feb 2001 09:38:14 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id JAA02347 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Sat, 10 Feb 2001 09:38:06 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id JAA02340 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Sat, 10 Feb 2001 09:38:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from c22234-e.scllg1.pa.home.com (c22234-e.scllg1.pa.home.com [24.7.220.49]) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with SMTP id JAA02328 for ; Sat, 10 Feb 2001 09:38:05 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 5741 invoked from network); 10 Feb 2001 14:38:11 -0000 Received: from c22234-d.scllg1.pa.home.com (HELO ?10.0.1.51?) (24.7.220.47) by c22234-e.scllg1.pa.home.com with SMTP; 10 Feb 2001 14:38:11 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: schinder@mors.gsfc.nasa.gov (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <25067.981803500@dis.strath.ac.uk> References: <25067.981803500@dis.strath.ac.uk> Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2001 09:38:03 -0500 To: Duncan Sinclair , Steve Freitas From: Paul Schinder Subject: Re: CRLF fun stuff again... Cc: Donald Lee , Matthew Geier , netatalk-admins@umich.edu, jeff Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" At 11:11 AM +0000 2/10/01, Duncan Sinclair wrote: >Hi, > >Sorry for the continuing mailbox pollution... > >Steve Freitas writes: >>I wrote: >>> But the transformation is reversible. the conversion is as follows: >>> >>> CR -> LF >>> LF -> CR >>> >>> You do the transformation twice and you get back an identical file. >> >>Not true with all files. > >Yes true for all files. No matter what the 8-bit values "13" and "10" >mean, you can do this swap twice and you'll get back the exact same >file. No, it isn't reversible. If a file originally contains both CR and LF (most binary files), and you convert the CR to LF, it's no longer possible to tell which LF's are converted CR's and which LF's were there to begin with. If you do the reverse transformation, then there will be no LF's in the file where originally there were some. You simply fooled yourself with a single binary file that happened to have only CR. Try one that has both to begin with, and you'll find it's corrupted at the end. You're also wrong about the Mac OS side. Not all files that are text have file type TEXT, and not all files that are file type TEXT are text files. TEXT is simply a label attached to a file by a program. The operating system makes no effort to ensure that TEXT files are actually text files. Turning on CRLF conversion is a very bad idea. ftp has the same problem, and the same data corruption occurs if you're not careful. > >Here's a test with a binary jpeg file.... > > (Using GNU tr - Sun's "tr" doesn't cope with binary files - if you > repeat this test make sure you use one that does.) > >quartz:~% sum duncan.jpg >32290 17 duncan.jpg > >Original file's checksum is 32290 > >quartz:~% tr '\r\n' '\n\r' < duncan.jpg > foo.jpg >quartz:~% sum foo.jpg >13378 17 foo.jpg > >Transform once, checksum is 13378 > >quartz:~% tr '\r\n' '\n\r' < foo.jpg > bar.jpg >quartz:~% sum bar.jpg >32290 17 bar.jpg > >Transform a second time, checksum is back to 32290 > >Convinced yet??? > >Cheers, > > >Duncan. -- -- Paul J. Schinder NASA Goddard Space Flight Center Code 693 schinder@leprss.gsfc.nasa.gov From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Sat Feb 10 09:46:08 2001 Return-Path: Received: from easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.26]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id JAA11627 for ; Sat, 10 Feb 2001 09:46:07 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id JAA04593 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Sat, 10 Feb 2001 09:46:07 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id JAA04574 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Sat, 10 Feb 2001 09:46:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from c22234-e.scllg1.pa.home.com (c22234-e.scllg1.pa.home.com [24.7.220.49]) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with SMTP id JAA04554 for ; Sat, 10 Feb 2001 09:46:06 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 5757 invoked from network); 10 Feb 2001 14:46:05 -0000 Received: from c22234-d.scllg1.pa.home.com (HELO ?10.0.1.51?) (24.7.220.47) by c22234-e.scllg1.pa.home.com with SMTP; 10 Feb 2001 14:46:05 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: schinder@mors.gsfc.nasa.gov (Unverified) Message-Id: Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2001 09:45:57 -0500 To: Duncan Sinclair , Steve Freitas From: Paul Schinder Subject: Re: CRLF fun stuff again... Cc: Donald Lee , Matthew Geier , netatalk-admins@umich.edu, jeff Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" At 11:11 AM +0000 2/10/01, Duncan Sinclair wrote: I missed this before. > >Here's a test with a binary jpeg file.... > > (Using GNU tr - Sun's "tr" doesn't cope with binary files - if you > repeat this test make sure you use one that does.) > >quartz:~% sum duncan.jpg >32290 17 duncan.jpg > >Original file's checksum is 32290 > >quartz:~% tr '\r\n' '\n\r' < duncan.jpg > foo.jpg >quartz:~% sum foo.jpg >13378 17 foo.jpg > >Transform once, checksum is 13378 > >quartz:~% tr '\r\n' '\n\r' < foo.jpg > bar.jpg >quartz:~% sum bar.jpg >32290 17 bar.jpg > >Transform a second time, checksum is back to 32290 > >Convinced yet??? The transformations you're using aren't the ones that netatalk does (or at least netatalk did in the past before I turned it off). These are reversible. netatalk does tr '\r' '\n' to Unix and tr '\n' '\r' to Mac OS. That's why people are warning about data corruption. Maybe netatalk should do what you're doing here. Personally I'd still leave it off. >Cheers, > > >Duncan. -- -- Paul J. Schinder NASA Goddard Space Flight Center Code 693 schinder@leprss.gsfc.nasa.gov From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Sat Feb 10 10:06:00 2001 Return-Path: Received: from kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.25]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id KAA11864 for ; Sat, 10 Feb 2001 10:06:00 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id KAA10819 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Sat, 10 Feb 2001 10:06:00 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id KAA10797 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Sat, 10 Feb 2001 10:05:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from nuinfo.northwestern.edu (nuinfo.nwu.edu [129.105.212.72]) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id KAA10762 for ; Sat, 10 Feb 2001 10:05:58 -0500 (EST) Received: (from lunde@localhost) by nuinfo.northwestern.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA09754; Sat, 10 Feb 2001 09:05:57 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <200102101505.JAA09754@nuinfo.northwestern.edu> Subject: Re: CRLF fun stuff again... To: netatalk-admins@umich.edu Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2001 9:05:57 CST In-Reply-To: ; from "Steve Freitas" at Feb 10, 2001 2:12 am From: Albert-Lunde@northwestern.edu (Albert Lunde) Reply-To: Albert-Lunde@northwestern.edu (Albert Lunde) X-Mailer: Elm [revision: 212.5] > I don't know... I discussed it with the list, but everybody I talked to > seemed to think that CR/LF was off, and in fact when I explicitly tested its > functionality, it was off. However, Netatalk was definitely fiddling with my > ISO and corrupting it through linefeeds, and my experimentation showed that. > > > I'll repeat again my position: if netatalk is going to have this > > feature, and there's evidence that people want it, then it should > > work properly. People who don't want this feature should be > > unaffected by it. > > If it's possible for it to work properly, I agree. However, my concern is > that Netatalk's default configuration (1.5prex) currently permits corruption > of binaries, and I think all CR/LF ought to be disabled by default. It sounds like there's a strong case for making it a compile-time option that's off by default. Evict the suspect code. In these times of the web, the most effective transformation of end-of-lines will recognize LF CR and CRLF and transform each into a single end-of-line, but this is definitely NOT reversible. I use a short C program to fix end of lines when I need it, and use BBEdit for most text eding with the default set to Unix end of line for new files. -- Albert Lunde Albert-Lunde@northwestern.edu (new address) Albert-Lunde@nwu.edu (old address) From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Sat Feb 10 11:03:56 2001 Return-Path: Received: from funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.27]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id LAA13029 for ; Sat, 10 Feb 2001 11:03:56 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id LAA00406 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Sat, 10 Feb 2001 11:03:51 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id LAA00397 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Sat, 10 Feb 2001 11:03:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from quartz.dis.strath.ac.uk (quartz.dis.strath.ac.uk [130.159.120.5]) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id LAA00372 for ; Sat, 10 Feb 2001 11:03:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from dis.strath.ac.uk (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by quartz.dis.strath.ac.uk (8.11.0/8.11.0/2.7) with ESMTP id f1AG3ZZ26282; Sat, 10 Feb 2001 16:03:35 GMT To: Paul Schinder cc: Steve Freitas , Donald Lee , Matthew Geier , netatalk-admins@umich.edu, jeff Subject: Re: CRLF fun stuff again... In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 10 Feb 2001 09:45:57 EST." Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2001 16:03:35 +0000 Message-ID: <26280.981821015@dis.strath.ac.uk> From: Duncan Sinclair Paul Schinder writes: >I missed this before. ... >The transformations you're using aren't the ones that netatalk does >(or at least netatalk did in the past before I turned it off). These >are reversible. netatalk does > >tr '\r' '\n' to Unix and tr '\n' '\r' to Mac OS. > >That's why people are warning about data corruption. Guess what? You're wrong. If people are going to try to tell me I'm wrong, please do the research first! Here's a chunk of code from afpd's fork.c file. It uses an identical process for reading and writing files... /* * If this file is of type TEXT, swap \015 to \012. */ if (xlate) { for ( p = rbuf, q = p + rbuflen; p < q; p++ ) { if ( *p == '\015' ) { *p = '\012'; } else if ( *p == '\012' ) { *p = '\015'; } } } I hope you can all see what this code is doing. In case you can't I'll spell it out.... It goes through the buffer of data to be written or having been read, if it finds a return ('\015') it turns it into a linefeed ('\012'), otherwise if it finds a linefeed it turns it into a return. The exact same thing for both reading and writing. It can only do this if the transformation is symmetric. Frankly I'm surprised at the number of people who are confused on this matter. I'm not a newbie to netatalk. I've been using it since around version 1.3.3. I actually know what I'm talking about here. So, once more I'll repeat it. The netatalk cr/lf code worked very well until MacOS 8 came out. Then the way the Finder copies file causes it not to work correctly. It'd be nice if this could be fixed. If you don't like the code, fine - it is off by default. Please stop trying to tell me I don't want the feature at all. I really, really, really do. Later today or tomorrow I'll post a slightly revised method of making this stuff work. I'll be happy to receive constructive criticism on that. Cheers, Duncan. From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Sat Feb 10 12:08:51 2001 Return-Path: Received: from easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.26]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id MAA14276 for ; Sat, 10 Feb 2001 12:08:50 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id MAA07660 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Sat, 10 Feb 2001 12:08:50 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id MAA07645 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Sat, 10 Feb 2001 12:08:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from quartz.dis.strath.ac.uk (quartz.dis.strath.ac.uk [130.159.120.5]) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id MAA07615 for ; Sat, 10 Feb 2001 12:08:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from dis.strath.ac.uk (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by quartz.dis.strath.ac.uk (8.11.0/8.11.0/2.7) with ESMTP id f1AH8kZ26721 for ; Sat, 10 Feb 2001 17:08:47 GMT To: netatalk-admins@umich.edu Subject: How to fix CRLF stuff... Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2001 17:08:46 +0000 Message-ID: <26719.981824926@dis.strath.ac.uk> From: Duncan Sinclair Hi, Now that we've (hopefully) established that netatalk does do a reversable transformation on text files as they are written and read and doesn't corrupt files by design, I'd like to put forward my current thoughts on how the actual bug could be fixed. The problem is that text files created with a non-"TEXT" type and then changed to have a "TEXT" type don't have the cr/lf transformation done to them. This means then when they are served, because they are now recognised as "TEXT", they will have an un-necessary cr/lf transformation done to them. Either the un-necessary transformation should be avoided, or else when the type of a file is changed, a transformation should be done, if needed. I previously wrote: Here's my proposed solution: * A second "helper" process would run along side the main afpd process, tied to it with pipes. * tasks would be handed to it like "do a cr/lf transformation of this file". * it would have to take care to lock files. * tasks are done serially - to make sure nothing gets screwed. * there may be other types of thing it could be used for. As an additional safeguard, it may be wise to be able to mark files which have had the cr/lf transformation done to them so that when they are sent back to the Mac there is no chance of them being messed up. In fact, this could be done without my proposed changes above. Peter DiCamillo made a similar suggestion previously, and I thank him for bringing it to my attention last week. I would mark transformed files by setting one of the lesser-used mode bits on the file. (This is similar to how the "XBITHACK" feature works in Apache, and it may not surprise you to learn that I was the inventor of this idea. (I didn't do the implementation however.)) So, what would happen is that when a transformation is done (either at the time of writing the file, or by my "helper" process as a result of a change of file type), one bit of the file's mode, say the sticky bit, would be set on. If for any reason the file was changed to a different type and so un-transformed, the sticky bit would be cleared. When netatalk comes to serve the file, if it is a Mac file (complete with AppleDouble info), then it would examine the sticky bit. If it is set it would do the transformation as it serves the file. This would ensure that it only re-transforms files which have already been transformed. On the unix side there is a clear indication that the file has had this transformation - a nice bonus. Unix-created files would continue to use the file extension to determine whether the file is text and want transformed when served. If for some reason the sticky bit was unavailable for use in this fashion, berhaps a spare bit could be found inside the appledouble info - but this wouldn't be as efficient. Constructive criticism welcome. Offers of code even more so. The more I deleop this idea, the closer it gets to being implemented. The stuff about setting the mode bit could be done in an afternoon, perhaps, if you knew your way around the code. The stuff about the helper process would require greater effort, but could be worth it in the opportunities for extra features it would give. Thanks for your time. Cheers, Duncan. From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Sat Feb 10 13:56:25 2001 Return-Path: Received: from funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.27]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id NAA17152 for ; Sat, 10 Feb 2001 13:56:25 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id NAA15020 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Sat, 10 Feb 2001 13:56:19 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id NAA15011 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Sat, 10 Feb 2001 13:56:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from smart.visp-europe.psi.com (smart.visp-europe.psi.com [212.222.105.5]) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id NAA14972 for ; Sat, 10 Feb 2001 13:56:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from n36-52.berlin.snafu.de ([195.21.36.52] helo=athlet.deltaman.de) by smart.visp-europe.psi.com with esmtp (Exim 3.22 #1) id 14RfC1-0001Bj-00 for netatalk-admins@umich.edu; Sat, 10 Feb 2001 19:56:21 +0100 Received: from athlet (root@athlet.deltaman.de [192.168.1.1]) by athlet.deltaman.de (8.9.3/8.9.3/SuSE Linux 8.9.3-0.1) with SMTP id TAA02587 for ; Sat, 10 Feb 2001 19:55:42 +0100 From: Carsten Neumann Reply-To: deltor@snafu.de To: netatalk-admins@umich.edu Subject: Re: CRLF fun stuff again... Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2001 19:55:30 +0100 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.0.28] Content-Type: text/plain References: <26280.981821015@dis.strath.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: <26280.981821015@dis.strath.ac.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <01021019480100.00372@athlet> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu id NAA17152 On Sat, 10 Feb 2001, Duncan Sinclair wrote: > Paul Schinder writes: > >I missed this before. > > ... > > >The transformations you're using aren't the ones that netatalk does > >(or at least netatalk did in the past before I turned it off). These > >are reversible. netatalk does > > > >tr '\r' '\n' to Unix and tr '\n' '\r' to Mac OS. > > > >That's why people are warning about data corruption. > > Guess what? You're wrong. If people are going to try to tell me I'm > wrong, please do the research first! > > Here's a chunk of code from afpd's fork.c file. It uses an identical > process for reading and writing files... > > /* > * If this file is of type TEXT, swap \015 to \012. > */ > if (xlate) { > for ( p = rbuf, q = p + rbuflen; p < q; p++ ) { > if ( *p == '\015' ) { > *p = '\012'; > } else if ( *p == '\012' ) { > *p = '\015'; > } > } > } > I'm really glad to see that netatalk does it the way I would do, you obviously would do, and I suspected netatalk would do it. So many people with so much guessledge... ;-) Regards Carsten From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Sat Feb 10 14:50:07 2001 Return-Path: Received: from easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.26]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id OAA18324 for ; Sat, 10 Feb 2001 14:50:07 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id OAA03531 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Sat, 10 Feb 2001 14:50:07 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id OAA03509 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Sat, 10 Feb 2001 14:50:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from icompute.com ([209.46.8.66]) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id OAA03502 for ; Sat, 10 Feb 2001 14:50:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from [209.46.8.69] (209.46.8.69) by icompute.com with ESMTP (Eudora Internet Mail Server 2.2.2); Sat, 10 Feb 2001 13:50:06 -0600 X-Sender: donlee_in@icompute.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <26280.981821015@dis.strath.ac.uk> References: Your message of "Sat, 10 Feb 2001 09:45:57 EST." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2001 13:45:10 -0600 To: netatalk-admins@umich.edu, Duncan Sinclair From: Donald Lee Subject: Re: CRLF fun stuff again... At 10:03 AM -0600 2/10/01, Duncan Sinclair wrote: > >... > >>The transformations you're using aren't the ones that netatalk does >>(or at least netatalk did in the past before I turned it off). These >>are reversible. netatalk does >> >>tr '\r' '\n' to Unix and tr '\n' '\r' to Mac OS. >> >>That's why people are warning about data corruption. > >Guess what? You're wrong. If people are going to try to tell me I'm >wrong, please do the research first! > My apologies. This is symmetric and reversible, although a little odd. ;-> I still don't see a way to reliably determine the actual type of the data, but as long as the transformation is reversible, no irreparable harm can be done by it. This information changes the feature from being dangerous to being questionable. Questionable features are appropriate as options for those who have a need. As atonement for not doing my homework I will go and reexamine some data files that I had heretofore considered lost due to this transformation and report back to this list if it is truly reversible (at which point I will be very happy). -dgl- From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Sat Feb 10 17:10:21 2001 Return-Path: Received: from kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.25]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id RAA22600 for ; Sat, 10 Feb 2001 17:10:21 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id RAA12180 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Sat, 10 Feb 2001 17:10:21 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id RAA12158 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Sat, 10 Feb 2001 17:10:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from winery.garlic.com (winery-en0b.garlic.com [216.139.31.163]) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id RAA12116 for ; Sat, 10 Feb 2001 17:10:19 -0500 (EST) Received: (from johana@localhost) by winery.garlic.com (8.11.1/8.11.1) id f1AMAIW48176 for netatalk-admins@umich.edu; Sat, 10 Feb 2001 14:10:18 -0800 Received: by johana.com (UUPC/extended 1.12p); Sat, 10 Feb 2001 13:05:02 -0800 Message-ID: <3a85acfe.johana@johana.com> Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2001 13:05:02 -0800 From: "Tom Watson" To: netatalk-admins@umich.edu Subject: Re: CRLF fun stuff again... On Sat, 10 Feb 2001 11:05:01 -0500 (EST), netatalk-admins@umich.edu wrote: <<>> > > >The transformations you're using aren't the ones that netatalk does > >(or at least netatalk did in the past before I turned it off). These > >are reversible. netatalk does > > > >tr '\r' '\n' to Unix and tr '\n' '\r' to Mac OS. > > <<>> The "secret" to all of this is to swap BOTH characters at the same time. Then the process is reversable. Doing ONLY one is a recipe for disaster. You can easily see how this works by taking a simple sentence and doing: $ tr "ab" "ba" dest If you do it back, it comes out the same way. Look at how the program "rot13" works for BOTH encoding and decoding. Of course, doing this in the AFP server is a little crazy, but that is another matter. If it IS done, then someone should save that fact in the "finder comments" or some such so that is is known to all. That is another topic... -- Tom Watson Generic short signature tsw@johana.com (I'm at home now) From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Sat Feb 10 22:45:47 2001 Return-Path: Received: from kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.25]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id WAA29278 for ; Sat, 10 Feb 2001 22:45:46 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id WAA22370 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Sat, 10 Feb 2001 22:45:46 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id WAA22349 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Sat, 10 Feb 2001 22:45:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from schilling.ucdavis.edu (schilling.ucdavis.edu [169.237.105.1]) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id WAA22154 for ; Sat, 10 Feb 2001 22:45:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from prometheus.mailbox.ucdavis.edu (iras-2-31.ucdavis.edu [169.237.16.159]) by schilling.ucdavis.edu (8.11.1/8.11.0/IT4.4.8) with ESMTP id f1B3jNZ27211; Sat, 10 Feb 2001 19:45:23 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <5.0.2.1.0.20010210192845.00a569a0@127.0.0.1> X-Sender: itlm019/mailbox.ucdavis.edu@127.0.0.1 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0.2 Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2001 19:43:36 -0800 To: Duncan Sinclair , Donald Lee From: "Marc J. Miller" Subject: Re: CRLF fun stuff again... Cc: Steve Freitas , Matthew Geier , netatalk-admins@umich.edu, jeff In-Reply-To: <24644.981800332@dis.strath.ac.uk> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 10:18 AM 2/10/01 +0000, Duncan Sinclair wrote: >You know a file is text by two indicators: > 1) Its file type is TEXT. > 2) It has an extension which tells netatalk it is text. > >These two indicators cover files created by Macs and files created >by Unix, repectively. Okay, I agree with the former, but the latter is a little more complicated. String compares are slow. For each file copied, the name has to be checked against the following list (and this is just off the top of my head) .txt .htm .html .c .pl .ksh .sh .cc .p .bat .vbs .asc .ans .cgi .troff .am .cfg (you get the idea) There are also file extensions like .sys which are sometimes text (config.sys and msdos.sys, for example) and sometimes binary (cdrom.sys, ansi.sys, and msdos.sys in versions of DOS before Windows 95). File extensions are a guide to the user for guessing the file type. I've observed that most Unix and Mac people don't use file extensions at all. The scripts in /etc/rc.d/init.d on Red Hat systems don't have extensions, yet they're all text. Mac folks seem to be quite used to relying on the icon of the file. Ever tried to save an HTML file in Netscape and then edit it in SimpleText? Many versions of SimpleText won't open it at all because Mac is so dependent on the resource information to tell it what programs should be able to open it. File extensions were introduced through DOS, really. Unix and MacOS see the "." in the file name as just a character. It may be possible to work with some library that the "file" command uses for identifying file types (if it uses a library), but as I'm not interested in activating the CRLF feature in the first place, I'll let someone else look that up. :) From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Sun Feb 11 11:21:33 2001 Return-Path: Received: from kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.25]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id LAA11955 for ; Sun, 11 Feb 2001 11:21:33 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id LAA29978 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Sun, 11 Feb 2001 11:21:33 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id LAA29954 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Sun, 11 Feb 2001 11:21:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from rakete.joerdens.de (rakete.joerdens.de [62.104.116.200]) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id LAA29906 for ; Sun, 11 Feb 2001 11:21:31 -0500 (EST) Received: (from frank@localhost) by rakete.joerdens.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA04110 for netatalk-admins@umich.edu; Sun, 11 Feb 2001 17:25:39 +0100 Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2001 17:25:39 +0100 From: Frank Joerdens To: netatalk-admins@umich.edu Subject: patch for mswindows option to netatalk-1.4b2+asun2.1.3 Message-ID: <20010211172539.A4029@rakete.joerdens.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii User-Agent: Mutt/1.1.2i X-Subliminal-Message: Use Linux! Use Linux! The codepage support still seems to be broken in 1.5pre3 (interestingly, it complains if it can't find the nls directory, so it _is_ looking for the codepage . . . but somehow it doesn't get applied). The mswindows option does work, though, in that I can't rename folders so as to contain ???, for instance. I am using netatalk-1.4b2+asun2.1.3 with a SuSE specific patch, where the codepage support works, but where I don't have the mswindows option. I am wondering, does anyone have a patch to include the mswindows option into this version? Cheers, Frank From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Sun Feb 11 19:14:28 2001 Return-Path: Received: from kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.25]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id TAA20381 for ; Sun, 11 Feb 2001 19:14:28 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id TAA04628 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Sun, 11 Feb 2001 19:14:28 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id TAA04607 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Sun, 11 Feb 2001 19:14:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from shaggie.dhs.org (ffaxvahe3-5-123.cox.rr.com [24.28.208.123]) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id TAA04535 for ; Sun, 11 Feb 2001 19:14:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from [192.168.111.5] ([192.168.111.5]) by shaggie.dhs.org (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id f1C0C2901486 for ; Sun, 11 Feb 2001 19:12:04 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from scoobie@shaggie.dhs.org) User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2001 19:14:21 -0500 Subject: password encryption? From: Scoobie Doobie Doo To: Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Does anyone know if there exists an option to enable password encryption in netatalk? If not is there a development effort to hack such a thing in? sending all those passwords in the clear is a BAD, BAD thing. -Scoobie :-) From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Sun Feb 11 19:32:03 2001 Return-Path: Received: from easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.26]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id TAA21305 for ; Sun, 11 Feb 2001 19:32:03 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id TAA09881 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Sun, 11 Feb 2001 19:32:03 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id TAA09873 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Sun, 11 Feb 2001 19:32:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from bofh.concordia.ca (bofh.Concordia.CA [132.205.120.71]) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id TAA09861 for ; Sun, 11 Feb 2001 19:32:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from rich by bofh.concordia.ca with local (Exim 3.03 #1) id 14S6yN-00006p-00 for netatalk-admins@umich.edu; Sun, 11 Feb 2001 19:36:07 -0500 Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2001 19:36:07 -0500 From: Rich Lafferty To: netatalk-admins@umich.edu Subject: Re: password encryption? Message-ID: <20010211193607.A336@alcor.concordia.ca> Mail-Followup-To: netatalk-admins@umich.edu References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0i In-Reply-To: ; from scoobie@shaggie.dhs.org on Sun, Feb 11, 2001 at 07:14:21PM -0500 X-Disclaimer: I speak for me, not Concordia. X-PGP-Key: finger rich@alcor.concordia.ca X-PGP-Fingerprint: finger rich@vax2.concordia.ca Sender: Rich Lafferty Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu id TAA21305 On Sun, Feb 11, 2001 at 07:14:21PM -0500, Scoobie Doobie Doo (scoobie@shaggie.dhs.org) wrote: > Does anyone know if there exists an option to enable password encryption in > netatalk? > > If not is there a development effort to hack such a thing in? > > sending all those passwords in the clear is a BAD, BAD thing. Sure, and I'm positive it's documented, since I know I found it right away. The always-works non-cleartext authentication is 'randnum' and 'rand2num', which means storing the password in cleartext on the server, and uses a challenge-and-response authentication mechanism that never sends the password over the wire. There's also DHX, which you'll find discussed heavily in the list archives. It requires certain versions of MacOS, but is able to use the password in the password file. I'm not sure how it works technically because I've had no initiative to move to it from randnum here. -Rich -- ------------------------------ Rich Lafferty --------------------------- Sysadmin/Programmer, Instructional and Information Technology Services Concordia University, Montreal, QC (514) 848-7625 ------------------------- rich@alcor.concordia.ca ---------------------- From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Sun Feb 11 19:40:11 2001 Return-Path: Received: from funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.27]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id TAA21490 for ; Sun, 11 Feb 2001 19:40:11 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id TAA26464 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Sun, 11 Feb 2001 19:40:04 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id TAA26451 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Sun, 11 Feb 2001 19:40:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from plato.arts.usyd.edu.au (plato.arts.usyd.edu.au [129.78.16.1]) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id TAA26341 for ; Sun, 11 Feb 2001 19:39:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from arts.usyd.edu.au (IDENT:matthew@whitestar.arts.usyd.edu.au [129.78.16.20]) by plato.arts.usyd.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA07769; Mon, 12 Feb 2001 11:39:57 +1100 (EST) Sender: matthew@plato.arts.usyd.edu.au Message-ID: <3A8731E5.B4C469FA@arts.usyd.edu.au> Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 11:44:21 +1100 From: Matthew Geier Organization: Arts IT Unit, Sydney University X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.0-XFS i686) X-Accept-Language: en, pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: paul beard , netatalk-admins@umich.edu Subject: Re: What if 'add "alias net-pf-5 appletalk" ' doesn't work? References: <20010207234448.11514.qmail@web3406.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/x-pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha1; boundary="------------ms73DBC843A84E45BA80051181" This is a cryptographically signed message in MIME format. --------------ms73DBC843A84E45BA80051181 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit paul beard wrote: > > If anyone has any insight on this problem, I'd like to hear it, but please only > if you've actually read my earlier post and understand that I am running Redhat > 7 (ie, the conf.modules file has been renamed to modules.conf and I'm not > sure the syntax is right anymore), that I want to know how to make pure DDP > appletalk work, ie. non-tcp and with servers appearing in the Chooser. > The modules.conf is just conf.modules renamed. However putting in the 'alias' line isnt going to work if the AppleTalk module was never compiled/installed in the first place. See if there is an appletalk.o modules in the appropiate place under /lib/modules/. It is possible that since RH don't install netatalk they now also don't install the appletalk module. I am running AppleTalk on RH7 boxen, but I have in each case compiled my own 2.4 kernel for them and made sure that the AppleTalk module is built and installed. -- Matthew Geier matthew@arts.usyd.edu.au Arts IT Unit +61 2 9351 4713 Sydney University --------------ms73DBC843A84E45BA80051181 Content-Type: application/x-pkcs7-signature; name="smime.p7s" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="smime.p7s" Content-Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature MIIH4AYJKoZIhvcNAQcCoIIH0TCCB80CAQExCzAJBgUrDgMCGgUAMAsGCSqGSIb3DQEHAaCC BckwggKtMIICFqADAgECAgMC8UswDQYJKoZIhvcNAQEEBQAwgZQxCzAJBgNVBAYTAlpBMRUw EwYDVQQIEwxXZXN0ZXJuIENhcGUxFDASBgNVBAcTC0R1cmJhbnZpbGxlMQ8wDQYDVQQKEwZU aGF3dGUxHTAbBgNVBAsTFENlcnRpZmljYXRlIFNlcnZpY2VzMSgwJgYDVQQDEx9QZXJzb25h bCBGcmVlbWFpbCBSU0EgMTk5OS45LjE2MB4XDTAwMDcyMTAyNDAzNFoXDTAxMDcyMTAyNDAz NFowSjEfMB0GA1UEAxMWVGhhd3RlIEZyZWVtYWlsIE1lbWJlcjEnMCUGCSqGSIb3DQEJARYY bWF0dGhld0BhcnRzLnVzeWQuZWR1LmF1MIGfMA0GCSqGSIb3DQEBAQUAA4GNADCBiQKBgQDR gAKbBhCplgqyhkR0Ykn4XOW0Py1G40orbP+B2KkACTMx4GxhHNg2h3nPiNC/P/9BZETw6NA+ dp/mxtN7XHmvRounnCL+9pjG3yWpw/ONNEpObjRSfujGe/jJvUF2vrAfecI/J5DKQ0/5gZMv 5fqfl4spYSPl+9vc2hKG7uvjgQIDAQABo1YwVDAjBgNVHREEHDAagRhtYXR0aGV3QGFydHMu dXN5ZC5lZHUuYXUwDAYDVR0TAQH/BAIwADAfBgNVHSMEGDAWgBSIq/Fgg2ZV9ORYx0YdwGG9 I9fDjDANBgkqhkiG9w0BAQQFAAOBgQBjjvY9P9hSktFnCJrkQSTKjh9ZBG9a58a0Hi+GvmyD t9e29sRgxHN+Nwtsu2yUs8+xv1BemYzCnri+y91uJsfRTrm4+1oc/TV+lDGWqBud68wf4x29 /xaj1oQ2vWMy1Y64KZSWyxjt+vcU5/nyNF3DGz9XtXlxTI8dntzEWkyq/DCCAxQwggJ9oAMC AQICAQswDQYJKoZIhvcNAQEEBQAwgdExCzAJBgNVBAYTAlpBMRUwEwYDVQQIEwxXZXN0ZXJu IENhcGUxEjAQBgNVBAcTCUNhcGUgVG93bjEaMBgGA1UEChMRVGhhd3RlIENvbnN1bHRpbmcx KDAmBgNVBAsTH0NlcnRpZmljYXRpb24gU2VydmljZXMgRGl2aXNpb24xJDAiBgNVBAMTG1Ro YXd0ZSBQZXJzb25hbCBGcmVlbWFpbCBDQTErMCkGCSqGSIb3DQEJARYccGVyc29uYWwtZnJl ZW1haWxAdGhhd3RlLmNvbTAeFw05OTA5MTYxNDAxNDBaFw0wMTA5MTUxNDAxNDBaMIGUMQsw CQYDVQQGEwJaQTEVMBMGA1UECBMMV2VzdGVybiBDYXBlMRQwEgYDVQQHEwtEdXJiYW52aWxs ZTEPMA0GA1UEChMGVGhhd3RlMR0wGwYDVQQLExRDZXJ0aWZpY2F0ZSBTZXJ2aWNlczEoMCYG A1UEAxMfUGVyc29uYWwgRnJlZW1haWwgUlNBIDE5OTkuOS4xNjCBnzANBgkqhkiG9w0BAQEF AAOBjQAwgYkCgYEAs2lal9TQFgt6tcVd6SGcI3LNEkxL937Px/vKciT0QlKsV5Xje2F6F4Tn /XI5OJS06u1lp5IGXr3gZfYZu5R5dkw+uWhwdYQc9BF0ALwFLE8JAxcxzPRB1HLGpl3iiESw iy7ETfHw1oU+bPOVlHiRfkDpnNGNFVeOwnPlMN5G9U8CAwEAAaM3MDUwEgYDVR0TAQH/BAgw BgEB/wIBADAfBgNVHSMEGDAWgBRyScJzNMZV9At2coF+d/SH58ayDjANBgkqhkiG9w0BAQQF AAOBgQBrxlnpMfrptuyxA9jfcnL+kWBI6sZV3XvwZ47GYXDnbcKlN9idtxcoVgWL3Vx1b8aR kMZsZnET0BB8a5FvhuAhNi3B1+qyCa3PLW3Gg1Kb+7v+nIed/LfpdJLkXJeu/H6syg1vcnpn LGtz9Yb5nfUAbvQdB86dnoJjKe+TCX5V3jGCAd8wggHbAgEBMIGcMIGUMQswCQYDVQQGEwJa QTEVMBMGA1UECBMMV2VzdGVybiBDYXBlMRQwEgYDVQQHEwtEdXJiYW52aWxsZTEPMA0GA1UE ChMGVGhhd3RlMR0wGwYDVQQLExRDZXJ0aWZpY2F0ZSBTZXJ2aWNlczEoMCYGA1UEAxMfUGVy c29uYWwgRnJlZW1haWwgUlNBIDE5OTkuOS4xNgIDAvFLMAkGBSsOAwIaBQCggZkwGAYJKoZI hvcNAQkDMQsGCSqGSIb3DQEHATAcBgkqhkiG9w0BCQUxDxcNMDEwMjEyMDA0NDIzWjAjBgkq hkiG9w0BCQQxFgQUuuKNCb8e+L31t4BI2RBjkMdFuBwwOgYJKoZIhvcNAQkPMS0wKzAKBggq hkiG9w0DBzAOBggqhkiG9w0DAgICAIAwDQYIKoZIhvcNAwICAUAwDQYJKoZIhvcNAQEBBQAE gYAkFs0QWd132qjiJp/gA7tXsbHyjUxA74q+7ghAh9aUoIcnejMGPt7o8X+nVpoLoYLeqOCR Q/tME6hTJGRlg3mt59CGF8JemmAqX3t3J0+bPGnZq+wFY0X68Yel3hnU8i4pgJ0GjRi4vuwL CporFlIR+1puWeyS2lORiB3N7/flbQ== --------------ms73DBC843A84E45BA80051181-- From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Mon Feb 12 03:58:27 2001 Return-Path: Received: from funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.27]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id DAA03605 for ; 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Mon, 12 Feb 2001 11:18:08 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id LAA02060 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Mon, 12 Feb 2001 11:18:08 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id LAA02028 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Mon, 12 Feb 2001 11:18:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from rgrjr.dyndns.org (h0050da615e79.ne.mediaone.net [24.218.161.12]) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with SMTP id LAA01960 for ; Mon, 12 Feb 2001 11:18:05 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 1270 invoked by uid 500); 12 Feb 2001 16:18:03 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <14984.3259.732149.27775@h0050da615e79.ne.mediaone.net> Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 11:18:03 -0500 From: Bob Rogers To: "Marc J. Miller" Cc: netatalk-admins@umich.edu Subject: Re: CRLF fun stuff again... In-Reply-To: <5.0.2.1.0.20010210192845.00a569a0@127.0.0.1> References: <5.0.2.1.0.20010210192845.00a569a0@127.0.0.1> X-Mailer: VM 6.89 under Emacs 20.7.1 From: "Marc J. Miller" Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2001 19:43:36 -0800 At 10:18 AM 2/10/01 +0000, Duncan Sinclair wrote: >You know a file is text by two indicators: > 1) Its file type is TEXT. > 2) It has an extension which tells netatalk it is text. > >These two indicators cover files created by Macs and files created >by Unix, repectively. Okay, I agree with the former, but the latter is a little more complicated. String compares are slow. For each file copied, the name has to be checked against the following list (and this is just off the top of my head) . . . If necessary, this table lookup could be hashed for speed (if it isn't already). But I would be very surprised to learn that the speed difference was even measurable, compared to the other overhead of opening & serving a file. String compares aren't *that* slow. And since this lookup only applies for files created by Unix (or Samba), it's even less of an issue. . . . I've observed that most Unix and Mac people don't use file extensions at all. I beg to differ; who else but a Unix person would think of compound extensions like .tar.gz, or .i386.rpm ? And could you imagine `make' without extensions? The scripts in /etc/rc.d/init.d on Red Hat systems don't have extensions, yet they're all text. They are scripts, actually, which conventionally have no extension. (Except for the odd ".sh" or ".csh" script, but then you have to type the extension at the shell prompt, which is probably why using an explicit extension isn't popular.) . . . File extensions were introduced through DOS, really . . . ;-} Next thing you know, you'll be suggesting that Bill Gates invented GUIs and the Internet . . . Until the early 80's, IIRC, file systems almost universally required extensions; Unix was the (then) rare exception in that it didn't parse "." specially. Then the Mac (actually, the Apple Lisa) changed everything . . . Thanks in advance for being a good sport, -- Bob Rogers From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Mon Feb 12 11:50:23 2001 Return-Path: Received: from kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.25]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id LAA14775 for ; Mon, 12 Feb 2001 11:50:23 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id LAA25834 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Mon, 12 Feb 2001 11:50:23 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id LAA25812 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Mon, 12 Feb 2001 11:50:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from clmboh1-smtp3.columbus.rr.com (dhcp065-024-000-112.columbus.rr.com [65.24.0.112] (may be forged)) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id LAA25773 for ; Mon, 12 Feb 2001 11:50:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.iowna.com (dhcp065-024-023-038.columbus.rr.com [65.24.23.38]) by clmboh1-smtp3.columbus.rr.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id f1CGlpN21359; Mon, 12 Feb 2001 11:47:52 -0500 (EST) Sender: wmoran@clmboh1-smtp3.columbus.rr.com Message-ID: <3A881366.562B300D@mail.iowna.com> Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 11:46:30 -0500 From: Bill Moran X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (X11; U; FreeBSD 4.2-STABLE i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Bob Rogers CC: "Marc J. Miller" , netatalk-admins@umich.edu Subject: Re: CRLF fun stuff again... References: <5.0.2.1.0.20010210192845.00a569a0@127.0.0.1> <14984.3259.732149.27775@h0050da615e79.ne.mediaone.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Bob Rogers wrote: > ;-} Next thing you know, you'll be suggesting that Bill Gates invented > GUIs and the Internet . . . I thought it was Al Gore who did that? From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Mon Feb 12 12:42:12 2001 Return-Path: Received: from easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.26]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id MAA16970 for ; Mon, 12 Feb 2001 12:42:12 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id MAA27206 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Mon, 12 Feb 2001 12:42:12 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id MAA27167 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Mon, 12 Feb 2001 12:42:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from rgrjr.dyndns.org (h0050da615e79.ne.mediaone.net [24.218.161.12]) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with SMTP id MAA27132 for ; Mon, 12 Feb 2001 12:42:09 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 1418 invoked by uid 500); 12 Feb 2001 17:42:07 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <14984.8303.151462.293171@h0050da615e79.ne.mediaone.net> Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 12:42:07 -0500 From: Bob Rogers To: Duncan Sinclair Cc: netatalk-admins@umich.edu Subject: How to fix CRLF stuff... In-Reply-To: <26719.981824926@dis.strath.ac.uk> References: <26719.981824926@dis.strath.ac.uk> X-Mailer: VM 6.89 under Emacs 20.7.1 From: Duncan Sinclair Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2001 17:08:46 +0000 . . . As an additional safeguard, it may be wise to be able to mark files which have had the cr/lf transformation done to them so that when they are sent back to the Mac there is no chance of them being messed up. In fact, this could be done without my proposed changes above. Peter DiCamillo made a similar suggestion previously, and I thank him for bringing it to my attention last week . . . On the unix side there is a clear indication that the file has had this transformation - a nice bonus. Unix-created files would continue to use the file extension to determine whether the file is text and want transformed when served. I think the basic idea -- an explicit indicator -- is terrific. It also has the advantage of being robust with respect to AppleVolumes.system changes, since afpd makes the decision once, and remembers what it decided. If for some reason the sticky bit was unavailable for use in this fashion, berhaps a spare bit could be found inside the appledouble info - but this wouldn't be as efficient. Since the original motivation was to make Mac files usable to Unix apps/users, using the sticky bit seems like asking for trouble. If the files are only accessed from Macs via shares, then you can guarantee that no Unix apps will misinterpret or change their sticky bits. But in the general case, it seems safer to use the .AppleDouble file . . . Some points in that vein: 1. If some other Unix app were to edit the file, would it preserve "+t"? (emacs 20.7 does, btw.) How about some random Windows app (via Samba)? 2. Also, if some other bit were used on a different netatalk port due to system constraints, then you wouldn't be able to move shares between the two systems via Unix means (e.g. dump/restore, tar). 3. There is also a compatibility issue here. After installing a hypothetical new version of netatalk that uses this explicit transformation indication, there will be transformed files without the sticky bit, and possibly untransformed "+t" files. (Does Samba use +t?) So, as a postinstallation step, it seems to me that you would need to do the following: if CR<->LF transformation is enabled, for each .AppleDouble file, if a text file, mark as transformed (assuming it already had been) This is the same marking operation as when a newly Unix-created file is first seen by afpd, and could be as simple as "chmod +t" . . . but somehow it feels safer to me to keep it in the .AppleDouble file . . . 4. Also, how does this interact with the "noadouble" feature? It seems to me that if "lazy" .AppleDouble creation is enabled, then the server would always have to create an .AppleDouble file for text files, just to tell itself in the future that the "+t" bit is significant. [Caveat: I couldn't find the documentation for "noadouble", after a casual search, so I may have misremembered something.] Either the un-necessary transformation should be avoided, or else when the type of a file is changed, a transformation should be done, if needed. In addition to automatic transformation, it would be good to have a Unix utility, call it afpd-xlate-crlf, that can do the transformation and update the appropriate bit on demand. That would help for the ambiguous and/or misleading cases (as long as the daemon continues to obey the bit, regardless of what the file type says). But, to be safe, such a program should do file locking to avoid corruption, since it has to update both the data and the bit. Which makes it seem a bit like your proposed helper app. Maybe afpd should spawn afpd-xlate-crlf to do these translations on the side? The locking should give you all the serialization you need (as long as you avoid race conditions between afpd and afpd-xlate-crlf). But if you do translate asynchronously, you still have the problem that you can't return an error to the client if afpd-xlate-crlf fails. And maybe, after all is said and done, translation isn't such a big job that it's worth the overhead of forking a new process . . . My $0.02 (or probably less, seeing as I have no code . . . ;-) -- Bob Rogers From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Mon Feb 12 13:17:09 2001 Return-Path: Received: from kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.25]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id NAA18904 for ; Mon, 12 Feb 2001 13:17:09 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id NAA15243 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Mon, 12 Feb 2001 13:17:09 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id NAA15236 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Mon, 12 Feb 2001 13:17:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from quartz.dis.strath.ac.uk (quartz.dis.strath.ac.uk [130.159.120.5]) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id NAA15189 for ; Mon, 12 Feb 2001 13:17:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from dis.strath.ac.uk (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by quartz.dis.strath.ac.uk (8.11.0/8.11.0/2.7) with ESMTP id f1CIH0Z12519; Mon, 12 Feb 2001 18:17:05 GMT To: netatalk-admins@umich.edu cc: rogers-netatalk@rgrjr.dyndns.org, "Marc J. Miller" Subject: Re: CRLF fun stuff again... Newsgroups: dis.lists.netatalk-admins References: <5.0.2.1.0.20010210192845.00a569a0@127.0.0.1> Reply-To: sinclair@dis.strath.ac.uk Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 18:17:00 +0000 Message-ID: <12516.982001820@dis.strath.ac.uk> From: Duncan Sinclair Bob Rodgers writes: > From: "Marc J. Miller" > Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2001 19:43:36 -0800 > Okay, I agree with the former, but the latter is a little more > complicated. String compares are slow. For each file copied, the > name has to be checked against the following list (and this is just > off the top of my head) . . . >If necessary, this table lookup could be hashed for speed (if it isn't >already). But I would be very surprised to learn that the speed >difference was even measurable, compared to the other overhead of >opening & serving a file. String compares aren't *that* slow. And >since this lookup only applies for files created by Unix (or Samba), >it's even less of an issue. Plus the fact that the Mac (via File Exchange) does a similar extension scan on file types it doesn't recognise... I haven't heard anyone complain that File Exchange slowed down their Mac or was a waste of time. Cheers, Duncan. From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Mon Feb 12 17:01:06 2001 Return-Path: Received: from easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.26]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id RAA26408 for ; Mon, 12 Feb 2001 17:01:06 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id RAA14094 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Mon, 12 Feb 2001 17:01:05 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id RAA14051 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Mon, 12 Feb 2001 17:01:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from runner.ucdavis.edu (runner.ucdavis.edu [169.237.105.37]) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id RAA13632 for ; Mon, 12 Feb 2001 17:01:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (itlm019@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by runner.ucdavis.edu (8.11.1/8.11.0/IT4.4.8) with ESMTP id f1CM0iV27146; Mon, 12 Feb 2001 14:00:44 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 14:00:44 -0800 (PST) From: Marc Miller X-Sender: itlm019@runner.ucdavis.edu To: Bob Rogers cc: netatalk-admins@umich.edu Subject: Re: CRLF fun stuff again... In-Reply-To: <14984.3259.732149.27775@h0050da615e79.ne.mediaone.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 12 Feb 2001, Bob Rogers wrote: > . . . I've observed that most Unix and Mac people don't use file > extensions at all. > > I beg to differ; who else but a Unix person would think of compound > extensions like .tar.gz, or .i386.rpm ? And could you imagine `make' > without extensions? Alright... correction: tar and gz do require that extension, but most of the time, shell scripts aren't marked, nor are binary executables. File extensions are more of a convention than a requirement. You could run make without file extensions at all as long as the Makefile specifies the file names. > . . . File extensions were introduced through DOS, really . . . > > ;-} Next thing you know, you'll be suggesting that Bill Gates invented > GUIs and the Internet . . . No, he bought out the company who had the original concept for Windows. :) What I mean is that until DOS, file extensions were just a naming convention. You want to designate that a file is a text file? Then put it in a directory called "text" or "txt." Naming conventions were there, but they didn't gain the massive popularity they have now until DOS came along and started requiring .exe, .com, and .bat for executables. But we're getting off-topic here. > Until the early 80's, IIRC, file systems almost universally required > extensions; Unix was the (then) rare exception in that it didn't parse > "." specially. Then the Mac (actually, the Apple Lisa) changed > everything . . . Ah. Well, then I stand corrected. ============================================================ /\/\arc ._|. /\/\iller (itlm019@mailbox.ucdavis.edu) Computer Room Consultant Information Technology/Lab Management ============================================================ I can be contacted through the Communication Center link from http://www.mother.com/~mjmiller/ From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Mon Feb 12 18:04:05 2001 Return-Path: Received: from kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.25]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id SAA28676 for ; Mon, 12 Feb 2001 18:04:04 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id SAA09533 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Mon, 12 Feb 2001 18:04:04 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id SAA09507 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Mon, 12 Feb 2001 18:04:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from austin-jump.vircio.com ([216.30.106.234]) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with SMTP id SAA09366 for ; Mon, 12 Feb 2001 18:03:59 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 19607 invoked by uid 104); 12 Feb 2001 23:03:58 -0000 Received: from cwg-dated-976de3b93a5c80b6@deepeddy.com by austin-jump.vircio.com with qmail-scanner-0.90 (uvscan: v4.0.50/v4115. . Clean. Processed in 0.313009 secs); 12/02/2001 17:03:58 Received: from deepeddy-austin.deepeddy.com (HELO deepeddy.vircio.com) ([10.254.254.253]) (envelope-sender ) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 12 Feb 2001 23:03:58 -0000 Received: (qmail 19237 invoked by alias); 12 Feb 2001 23:03:52 -0000 From: "Chris Garrigues" Received: (qmail 19208 invoked from network); 12 Feb 2001 23:03:51 -0000 Received: from deepeddy.vircio.com (HELO deepeddy.com) (cwg@[10.1.2.1]) (envelope-sender ) by deepeddy.vircio.com (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 12 Feb 2001 23:03:51 -0000 X-Mailer: exmh version 2.2_20000822 06/23/2000 with nmh-1.0.4 To: Marc Miller Cc: Bob Rogers , netatalk-admins@umich.edu Subject: Re: CRLF fun stuff again... In-Reply-To: References: X-Url: http://www.DeepEddy.Com/~cwg X-Image-Url: http://www.DeepEddy.Com/~cwg/chris.gif Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="==_Exmh_2146618058P"; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 17:03:51 -0600 Message-ID: <19191.982019031@deepeddy.com> Mail-Reply-To: cwg-dated-976de3b93a5c80b6@DeepEddy.Com --==_Exmh_2146618058P Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > From: Marc Miller > Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 14:00:44 -0800 (PST) > > On Mon, 12 Feb 2001, Bob Rogers wrote: > > > . . . I've observed that most Unix and Mac people don't use file > > extensions at all. > > > > I beg to differ; who else but a Unix person would think of compound > > extensions like .tar.gz, or .i386.rpm ? And could you imagine `make' > > without extensions? > > Alright... correction: tar and gz do require that extension, but most of > the time, shell scripts aren't marked, nor are binary executables. File > extensions are more of a convention than a requirement. You could run > make without file extensions at all as long as the Makefile specifies the > file names. I'd like to see you try...Make would be next to useless w/o extensions. > > . . . File extensions were introduced through DOS, really . . . > > > > ;-} Next thing you know, you'll be suggesting that Bill Gates invented > > GUIs and the Internet . . . > > No, he bought out the company who had the original concept for > Windows. :) What I mean is that until DOS, file extensions were just a > naming convention. You want to designate that a file is a text > file? Then put it in a directory called "text" or "txt." Naming > conventions were there, but they didn't gain the massive popularity they > have now until DOS came along and started requiring .exe, .com, and .bat > for executables. But we're getting off-topic here. That's BS. The use of extensions (and a lot of other things) in MSDOS was based on the same in CP/M and CP/M got most of those same things from RT-11 (or was it RS/X?). Most of the various competing minicomputer OSes also used extensions in a similar way. > > Until the early 80's, IIRC, file systems almost universally required > > extensions; Unix was the (then) rare exception in that it didn't parse > > "." specially. Then the Mac (actually, the Apple Lisa) changed > > everything . . . > > Ah. Well, then I stand corrected. If your knowledge of computer history only goes back two decades, you shouldn't be making these kind of pronouncements. 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Dunning" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: "Chris Garrigues" Cc: Marc Miller , Bob Rogers , netatalk-admins@umich.edu Subject: CRLF fun stuff again... In-Reply-To: <19191.982019031@deepeddy.com> References: <19191.982019031@deepeddy.com> X-Mailer: VM 6.30 under Emacs 19.34.1 [Getting to be off-topic; sorry...] From: "Chris Garrigues" Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 17:03:51 -0600 [...] Make would be next to useless w/o extensions. Correct. It's extremely rare any more to find a makefile which doesn't rely on pattern rules, eg rules driven by semantic knowledge of filename extensions. [...] The use of extensions (and a lot of other things) in MSDOS was based on the same in CP/M and CP/M got most of those same things from RT-11 (or was it RS/X?). RT had variants with no filesystem, as well as extremely simple filesystems (not much more than a disk driver), so it's somewhat arguable whether extensions were a feature there. RS/X (often pronounced R-sucks :-) made heavy use of filename extensions as far back as the early '70s or so. Most of the various competing minicomputer OSes also used extensions in a similar way. Right. TOPS-10/20 in particular was an early player in that game; that one dates back (I think) to the late 60s; you can argue that it's not a competitor, though the groups at DEC would likely have disagreed. I remember hacking on other late-60s early-70s systems by long-forgotten outfits like Interdata and Harris Microsystems; they all had filename extensions that meant something. *nix was notable in its early days for being the maverick, and *not* having any kind of convention for carrying file type information out of band from the data. Since it (later) completely overwhelmed the industry, it's currently fashionable to forget that there were earlier systems which did a much more comprehensive and consistent job of dealing with the issue. I've been doing this *way* too long :-{ From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Tue Feb 13 10:30:00 2001 Return-Path: Received: from funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.27]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id KAA15390 for ; Tue, 13 Feb 2001 10:30:00 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id KAA00109 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Tue, 13 Feb 2001 10:29:54 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id KAA00088 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Tue, 13 Feb 2001 10:29:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from quartz.dis.strath.ac.uk (quartz.dis.strath.ac.uk [130.159.120.5]) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id KAA00039 for ; Tue, 13 Feb 2001 10:29:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from dis.strath.ac.uk (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by quartz.dis.strath.ac.uk (8.11.0/8.11.0/2.7) with ESMTP id f1DFTqZ27739; Tue, 13 Feb 2001 15:29:56 GMT To: netatalk-admins@umich.edu cc: Bob Rogers Subject: Re: How to fix CRLF stuff... In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 12 Feb 2001 12:42:07 EST." Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 15:29:52 +0000 Message-ID: <27737.982078192@dis.strath.ac.uk> From: Duncan Sinclair Hi, Bob Rogers writes: > From: Duncan Sinclair > Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2001 17:08:46 +0000 > > . . . > > As an additional safeguard, it may be wise to be able to mark files > which have had the cr/lf transformation done to them so that when > they are sent back to the Mac there is no chance of them being > messed up. > If for some reason the sticky bit was unavailable for use in this > fashion, berhaps a spare bit could be found inside the appledouble > info - but this wouldn't be as efficient. > >Since the original motivation was to make Mac files usable to Unix >apps/users, using the sticky bit seems like asking for trouble. If the >files are only accessed from Macs via shares, then you can guarantee >that no Unix apps will misinterpret or change their sticky bits. But in >the general case, it seems safer to use the .AppleDouble file . . . OK, I've done some reading up and the sticky bit is out, but maybe there is some combination of 'x' bits that could be used. I'm not 100% sure if netatalk uses the exec bits to mean anything (it doesn't look like it, but I don't fully understand what afpd/unix.c does with modes), but I was thinking that maybe "g-x,o+x" might be a good flag. > 1. If some other Unix app were to edit the file, would it preserve >"+t"? (emacs 20.7 does, btw.) How about some random Windows app (via >Samba)? Unix apps should preserve mode bits. I don't know if samba does this. >From a quick glance it seems to do something with at least the u+x bit, but I can't see any particular pattern. > 2. Also, if some other bit were used on a different netatalk port >due to system constraints, then you wouldn't be able to move shares >between the two systems via Unix means (e.g. dump/restore, tar). Yep, well life's like that. With the "g-x,o+x" solution, this should be portable between all posix compliant systems, unless they are playing tricks... > 3. There is also a compatibility issue here. After installing a >hypothetical new version of netatalk that uses this explicit >transformation indication, there will be transformed files without the >sticky bit, and possibly untransformed "+t" files. Yep, an "upgrade" step would be needed, along the lines of what you suggest. >This is the same marking operation as when a newly Unix-created file is >first seen by afpd, and could be as simple as "chmod +t" . . . but >somehow it feels safer to me to keep it in the .AppleDouble file . . . Emm... How about in both places. With either being used, probably using the mode bits first for speed. > 4. Also, how does this interact with the "noadouble" feature? It >seems to me that if "lazy" .AppleDouble creation is enabled, then the >server would always have to create an .AppleDouble file for text files, >just to tell itself in the future that the "+t" bit is significant. Not sure. I don't use "noadouble", so don't know its implications. I guess though that "noadouble" would be mostly used in non-Mac areas. (My motivation is to allow manipulation of Mac files on Unix, not Unix files on Mac, so I would rarely point netatalk at a "Unix" directory.) Perhaps "noadouble" should imply "nocrlf", or at least no mode bit twiddling. If a "noadouble" area is unix only, it should use the traditional AppleVolumes.system way of deciding if it wants to do cr/lf conversion. Is "noadouble" lazy, or completely prohibitive? >In addition to automatic transformation, it would be good to have a Unix >utility, call it afpd-xlate-crlf, that can do the transformation and >update the appropriate bit on demand. Good idea. >That would help for the ambiguous >and/or misleading cases (as long as the daemon continues to obey the >bit, regardless of what the file type says). Hmmm... If you over-wrote a text file with a binary file, I wouldn't want it to continue doing cr/lf munging. But then my helper process would sort out the move from text to binary as well as binary to text. > But, to be safe, such a program should do file locking to avoid >corruption, since it has to update both the data and the bit. Which >makes it seem a bit like your proposed helper app. Maybe afpd should >spawn afpd-xlate-crlf to do these translations on the side? Excellent idea. You might choose to you the same binary for the helper app, for the manual process, and for the "upgrade" step... >The locking >should give you all the serialization you need (as long as you avoid >race conditions between afpd and afpd-xlate-crlf). But if you do >translate asynchronously, you still have the problem that you can't >return an error to the client if afpd-xlate-crlf fails. And maybe, >after all is said and done, translation isn't such a big job that it's >worth the overhead of forking a new process . . . One reason for serialising the operation is to avoid forking several hundred processes as a result of the Finder copying a large number of text files and changing their types quickly. Thanks for your comments! Cheers, Duncan. From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Tue Feb 13 12:22:04 2001 Return-Path: Received: from kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.25]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id MAA18835 for ; Tue, 13 Feb 2001 12:22:04 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id MAA16939 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Tue, 13 Feb 2001 12:22:04 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id MAA16896 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Tue, 13 Feb 2001 12:22:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.greatbasin.net (mail.greatbasin.net [207.228.35.39]) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id MAA16858 for ; Tue, 13 Feb 2001 12:22:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from [172.16.1.6] (rno-dsl0b-131.gbis.net [216.82.145.131]) by mail.greatbasin.net (8.9.3-MySQL-0.2.3b/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA22791 for ; Tue, 13 Feb 2001 09:22:00 -0800 (PST) User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 09:22:21 -0800 Subject: Re: How to fix CRLF stuff... From: Jeremy Buchmann To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <27737.982078192@dis.strath.ac.uk> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Okay, this seems to be getting very complicated...is there a more simple approach? For example, I use the Unix command "less" quite a bit to read through text files. But when I type "less picture.jpg", less tells me that it's a binary file. How does it know? I don't know exactly how it works, but I'm guessing it just scans the first few hundred or thousand bytes and checks for non-text/non-line-ending characters and if any are there, it reports it as a binary file. This may sound overly-simplistic, but it seems to work incredibly well. What do you think? Here are the pros and cons I could think of: Good Things: 1) Much more simple to implement 2) Should be pretty effective Number 1) is the main thing. Much less work, less complication, fewer bugs. As for 2), well it should be as effective as less if we used it's method of examining files (and I've never seen less be wrong). Bad Things: 1) It's not a perfect way of determining text/binary files. 2) It may be slower. Regarding 1), sure it's not perfect, but I think it'd be pretty darn good. I can think of a few things (like tar files with mostly text files and then a binary file at the end) that might thwart it, but those are special cases. Besides, can the dual-process-IPC method garantee 100% accuracy? As for 2), I don't think it'd be *that* slow (less can do it pretty quickly) and besides, when have Mac users been concerned with speed? No one buys a Mac because it's a speed demon. Thoughts? --Jeremy [jeremy@wellsgaming.com] From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Tue Feb 13 12:37:05 2001 Return-Path: Received: from easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.26]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id MAA19311 for ; Tue, 13 Feb 2001 12:37:05 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id MAA03353 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Tue, 13 Feb 2001 12:37:05 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id MAA03346 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Tue, 13 Feb 2001 12:37:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from femail3.sdc1.sfba.home.com (femail3.sdc1.sfba.home.com [24.0.95.83]) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id MAA03292 for ; Tue, 13 Feb 2001 12:37:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from [10.0.1.5] ([24.176.79.249]) by femail3.sdc1.sfba.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.00 201-229-121) with ESMTP id <20010213173501.EJRH2560.femail3.sdc1.sfba.home.com@[10.0.1.5]> for ; Tue, 13 Feb 2001 09:35:01 -0800 User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 09:37:09 -0800 Subject: man magic (was Re: How to fix CRLF stuff... ) From: paul beard To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu id MAA19311 MAGIC(5) MAGIC(5) NAME magic - file command's magic number file DESCRIPTION This manual page documents the format of the magic file as used by the file(1) command, version 3.30. The file com­ mand identifies the type of a file using, among other tests, a test for whether the file begins with a certain magic number. The file /usr/share/magic specifies what magic numbers are to be tested for, what message to print if a particular magic number is found, and additional information to extract from the file. Each line of the file specifies a test to be performed. A test compares the data starting at a particular offset in the file with a 1-byte, 2-byte, or 4-byte numeric value or a string. If the test succeeds, a message is printed. The line consists of the following fields: on 2/13/01 9:22 AM, Jeremy Buchmann at jeremy@wellsgaming.com wrote: > Okay, this seems to be getting very complicated...is there a more simple > approach? > > For example, I use the Unix command "less" quite a bit to read through text > files. But when I type "less picture.jpg", less tells me that it's a binary > file. How does it know? I don't know exactly how it works, but I'm > guessing it just scans the first few hundred or thousand bytes and checks > for non-text/non-line-ending characters and if any are there, it reports it > as a binary file. This may sound overly-simplistic, but it seems to work > incredibly well. What do you think? Here are the pros and cons I could > think of: > > Good Things: > 1) Much more simple to implement > 2) Should be pretty effective > > Number 1) is the main thing. Much less work, less complication, fewer bugs. > As for 2), well it should be as effective as less if we used it's method of > examining files (and I've never seen less be wrong). > > Bad Things: > 1) It's not a perfect way of determining text/binary files. > 2) It may be slower. > > Regarding 1), sure it's not perfect, but I think it'd be pretty darn good. > I can think of a few things (like tar files with mostly text files and then > a binary file at the end) that might thwart it, but those are special cases. > Besides, can the dual-process-IPC method garantee 100% accuracy? As for 2), > I don't think it'd be *that* slow (less can do it pretty quickly) and > besides, when have Mac users been concerned with speed? No one buys a Mac > because it's a speed demon. > > Thoughts? > > --Jeremy [jeremy@wellsgaming.com] From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Tue Feb 13 16:16:15 2001 Return-Path: Received: from kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.25]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id QAA26067 for ; Tue, 13 Feb 2001 16:16:15 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id QAA10344 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Tue, 13 Feb 2001 16:16:15 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id QAA10319 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Tue, 13 Feb 2001 16:16:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from austin-jump.vircio.com ([216.30.106.234]) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with SMTP id QAA10278 for ; Tue, 13 Feb 2001 16:16:13 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 13766 invoked by uid 104); 13 Feb 2001 21:16:12 -0000 Received: from cwg-dated-39dfe4e584bdaaf1@deepeddy.com by austin-jump.vircio.com with qmail-scanner-0.90 (uvscan: v4.0.50/v4115. . Clean. Processed in 0.301149 secs); 13/02/2001 15:16:11 Received: from deepeddy-austin.deepeddy.com (HELO deepeddy.vircio.com) ([10.254.254.253]) (envelope-sender ) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 13 Feb 2001 21:16:11 -0000 Received: (qmail 15230 invoked by alias); 13 Feb 2001 21:16:10 -0000 From: "Chris Garrigues" Received: (qmail 15207 invoked from network); 13 Feb 2001 21:16:10 -0000 Received: from deepeddy.vircio.com (HELO deepeddy.com) ([10.1.2.1]) (envelope-sender ) by deepeddy.vircio.com (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 13 Feb 2001 21:16:10 -0000 X-Mailer: exmh version 2.2_20000822 06/23/2000 with nmh-1.0.4 To: Walt Reed , netatalk-admins@umich.edu Subject: Re: "Another process changed the volume during the search..." In-Reply-To: <5329.981645643@deepeddy.com> References: <26803.981586966@deepeddy.com> <3A81E31D.5C4FB8B@terrascope.com> <16355.981592570@deepeddy.com> <3A81FC20.CCFAC0D1@terrascope.com> <5329.981645643@deepeddy.com> X-Url: http://www.DeepEddy.Com/~cwg X-Image-Url: http://www.DeepEddy.Com/~cwg/chris.gif Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="==_Exmh_-1080719364P"; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 15:16:10 -0600 Message-ID: <15204.982098970@deepeddy.com> Mail-Reply-To: cwg-dated-39dfe4e584bdaaf1@DeepEddy.Com --==_Exmh_-1080719364P Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > From: "Chris Garrigues" > Date: Thu, 08 Feb 2001 09:20:43 -0600 > > Thanks. More data: Everybody there is having this problem. About half of the > machines are running 9.1 and the other half will be doing so as well soon. > > I've just stopped samba and nfs and have asked him to let me know if it helps. > > They do open files directly on the server. I'm not sure exactly what > applications they use, but they're an advertising firm if that gives a clue > . > This problem didn't occur when they were using a Mac server. > > I'll post again when I know if turning off samba and nfs helped. Turns out that it was nfslock causing the problem. We use nfs little enough that I'm going to turn off nfslock until I get screwed by not having a lock daemon, then I'll worry about how to fix it. Chris -- Chris Garrigues http://www.DeepEddy.Com/~cwg/ virCIO http://www.virCIO.Com 4314 Avenue C Austin, TX 78751-3709 +1 512 374 0500 My email address is an experiment in SPAM elimination. For an explanation of what we're doing, see http://www.DeepEddy.Com/tms.html Nobody ever got fired for buying Microsoft, but they could get fired for relying on Microsoft. --==_Exmh_-1080719364P Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.4 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Exmh version 2.2_20000822 06/23/2000 iD8DBQE6iaQaK9b4h5R0IUIRAhFeAJ9HZBJmsPgwGHPM4rQOdxdJlXvZSACfY5K3 Gj0nK4rZ+zRkHKhMQSZFbN4= =D4Ar -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --==_Exmh_-1080719364P-- From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Tue Feb 13 17:55:09 2001 Return-Path: Received: from funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.27]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id RAA04664 for ; Tue, 13 Feb 2001 17:55:09 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id RAA01937 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Tue, 13 Feb 2001 17:55:03 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id RAA01910 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Tue, 13 Feb 2001 17:55:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from sugardaddy.digitalpulp.com (host2.digitalpulp.com [209.176.7.2]) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id RAA01869 for ; Tue, 13 Feb 2001 17:55:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (charwell@localhost) by sugardaddy.digitalpulp.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA14900 for ; Tue, 13 Feb 2001 17:55:06 -0500 Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 17:55:06 -0500 (EST) From: Chris Harwell To: Subject: Why do long names (char > 27) not created through atalk not show up over atalk? In-Reply-To: <15204.982098970@deepeddy.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII hi, When a file with a long file name is created in linux (in this case via scp) it doesn't show up over atalk. If a file with a long name is created over netatlk it does. Anyway around this? thanks, -- chris charwell@digitalpulp.com From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Tue Feb 13 20:09:07 2001 Return-Path: Received: from easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.26]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id UAA09966 for ; Tue, 13 Feb 2001 20:09:07 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id UAA13755 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Tue, 13 Feb 2001 20:09:07 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id UAA13729 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Tue, 13 Feb 2001 20:09:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from vega.brown.edu (vega.services.brown.edu [128.148.19.202]) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id UAA13700 for ; Tue, 13 Feb 2001 20:09:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from [128.148.176.25] (ppm.cis.brown.edu [128.148.176.25]) by vega.brown.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA23652 for ; Tue, 13 Feb 2001 20:09:04 -0500 (EST) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: Peter_DiCamillo@postoffice.brown.edu (Unverified) Message-Id: Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 20:09:03 -0500 To: netatalk-admins@umich.edu From: Peter DiCamillo Subject: Re: How to fix CRLF stuff... Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Jeremy Buchmann wrote: >Okay, this seems to be getting very complicated...is there a more simple >approach? There is a much simpler approach if the goal is only to avoid the "corruption" that happens when applications like the Finder and StuffIt change the type to TEXT after creating the file. While I like the idea of comprehensive solution to the CR/LF problem, this simpler approach would solve the only serious problem we have with it here. My idea is the following: 1. Define a new "suppress CR/LF translation" bit in the AppleDouble file. The bit would be off for files created by previous versions of netatalk, and assumed off if the AppleDouble file isn't present. 2. When afpd creates a new file, the suppress translation bit is set if the file is not translated at that time. 3. When serving a file, the test for whether or not to translate it would be unchanged if the suppress bit off. However, if the bit is on, the file is not translated. With this approach, a Mac user could use the Finder to copy a TEXT file to a netatalk volume and back again without the file changing, although it would not be translated for Unix users. This would be compatible with a more comprehensive solution where afpd could be told to either translate or not translate a given file. When the suppress bit is off, setting the file's type to TEXT would force translation, and would also be useful to the Mac user. Peter From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Wed Feb 14 10:43:55 2001 Return-Path: Received: from kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.25]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id KAA27211 for ; Wed, 14 Feb 2001 10:43:54 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id KAA21452 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Wed, 14 Feb 2001 10:43:54 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id KAA21444 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Wed, 14 Feb 2001 10:43:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from rgrjr.dyndns.org (h0050da615e79.ne.mediaone.net [24.218.161.12]) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with SMTP id KAA21343 for ; Wed, 14 Feb 2001 10:43:45 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 3122 invoked by uid 500); 14 Feb 2001 15:43:38 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <14986.42922.369026.533878@h0050da615e79.ne.mediaone.net> Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 10:43:38 -0500 From: Bob Rogers To: Jeremy Buchmann Cc: Subject: Re: How to fix CRLF stuff... In-Reply-To: References: <27737.982078192@dis.strath.ac.uk> X-Mailer: VM 6.89 under Emacs 20.7.1 From: Jeremy Buchmann Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 09:22:21 -0800 Okay, this seems to be getting very complicated...is there a more simple approach? For example, I use the Unix command "less" quite a bit to read through text files. But when I type "less picture.jpg", less tells me that it's a binary file. How does it know? I don't know exactly how it works, but I'm guessing it just scans the first few hundred or thousand bytes and checks for non-text/non-line-ending characters and if any are there, it reports it as a binary file. I don't know about less, but I understand some apps just look for NUL characters, a dead giveaway for a binary file (at least in the Unix world). This may sound overly-simplistic, but it seems to work incredibly well. What do you think? . . . Nothing is too simple if it works. ;-} But isn't this likely to get confused by Mac characters and/or internal markup? If you create some nontrivial test files (e.g. with font changes, bullet characters) in SimpleText and save them to a netatalk share, what does `less' do with them? -- Bob From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Wed Feb 14 11:03:26 2001 Return-Path: Received: from easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.26]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id LAA27612 for ; Wed, 14 Feb 2001 11:03:26 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id LAA03478 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Wed, 14 Feb 2001 11:03:26 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id LAA03430 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Wed, 14 Feb 2001 11:03:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from prognet.com (prognet.com [205.219.198.1]) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id LAA03340 for ; Wed, 14 Feb 2001 11:03:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from granola.prognet.com ([172.20.50.131]) by prognet.com (8.9.2/8.9.0) with ESMTP id IAA01925; Wed, 14 Feb 2001 08:03:23 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 08:03:17 -0800 (PST) From: Matthew Wilson X-Sender: mwilson@granola.prognet.com To: Bob Rogers cc: Jeremy Buchmann , netatalk-admins@umich.edu Subject: Re: How to fix CRLF stuff... In-Reply-To: <14986.42922.369026.533878@h0050da615e79.ne.mediaone.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > confused by Mac characters and/or internal markup? If you create some > nontrivial test files (e.g. with font changes, bullet characters) in > SimpleText and save them to a netatalk share, what does `less' do with > them? just put some european characters in the file, like a 'u' with the two dots above it. Less will warn you that it may be binary. (try reading a Pike readme file) alternatively, you could still have a file that you don't want translated that didn't happen to have any 'funny' characters in it. From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Wed Feb 14 11:36:54 2001 Return-Path: Received: from funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.27]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id LAA28550 for ; Wed, 14 Feb 2001 11:36:54 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id LAA05947 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Wed, 14 Feb 2001 11:36:47 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id LAA05921 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Wed, 14 Feb 2001 11:36:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from zevils.com (ool-18b85b9c.dyn.optonline.net [24.184.91.156]) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id LAA05883 for ; Wed, 14 Feb 2001 11:36:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] ident=dukenukm) by zevils.com with esmtp (Exim 3.22 #1 (Debian)) id 14T4vB-0000SI-00 for ; Wed, 14 Feb 2001 11:36:49 -0500 Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 11:36:49 -0500 (EST) From: Flint Million X-Sender: To: Subject: lost AppleDesktop data! Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Is there a way to rebuild the desktop data with netatalk? I transferred my netatalk shared directory to a new partition, but forgot to copy the .AppleDesktop folder, and now all applications have the plain old "paper with pencil" icon. Can I restore the icons, or do I actually have to re-copy every single file?? (Believe me, this is a software archive server, and it would take a long time to copy everything over again.) BTW I did remember to copy the .AppleDouble folder, so all the applications run OK, they just don't have their icons. Thanks for any help. netatalk 1.4+asun1.2 linux 2.2.16 in an i486 From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Wed Feb 14 13:21:12 2001 Return-Path: Received: from easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.26]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id NAA01567 for ; Wed, 14 Feb 2001 13:21:12 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id NAA06690 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Wed, 14 Feb 2001 13:21:11 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id NAA06666 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Wed, 14 Feb 2001 13:21:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.greatbasin.net (mail.greatbasin.net [207.228.35.39]) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id NAA06615 for ; Wed, 14 Feb 2001 13:21:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from [172.16.1.6] (rno-dsl0b-131.gbis.net [216.82.145.131]) by mail.greatbasin.net (8.9.3-MySQL-0.2.3b/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA10828 for ; Wed, 14 Feb 2001 10:21:07 -0800 (PST) User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 10:21:09 -0800 Subject: Re: How to fix CRLF stuff... From: Jeremy Buchmann To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <14986.42922.369026.533878@h0050da615e79.ne.mediaone.net> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit (I have three replies quoted here...please note who it is I'm quoting) > Bob Rogers: > I don't know about less, but I understand some apps just look for NUL > characters, a dead giveaway for a binary file (at least in the Unix > world). A good idea...or as someone else pointed out, magic is what the 'file' command uses to figure out what kind of file a file it is. > Bob Rogers: > Nothing is too simple if it works. ;-} But isn't this likely to get > confused by Mac characters and/or internal markup? If you create some > nontrivial test files (e.g. with font changes, bullet characters) in > SimpleText and save them to a netatalk share, what does `less' do with > them? Formatting of any kind implies a non-text document. Those shouldn't be translated. The only reason for translation (AFAIK) is to make text documents useable on the Unix side (my primary interest). > Matthew Wilson: > just put some european characters in the file, like a 'u' with the two > dots above it. Less will warn you that it may be binary. (try reading a > Pike readme file) [disclaimer: what I know about 8-bit ascii or 2-byte chars couldn't fill a thimble] Do these chars have a unique ascii code? If so, they can be recognized as text. If not, then people with those chars in their documents might be SOL. C'est la vie. As far as less is concerened, I was just using it as a simple example showing that some programs can differentiate between text and binary files. > Matthew Wilson: > alternatively, you could still have a file that you don't want translated > that didn't happen to have any 'funny' characters in it. That is possible, (like with tar'ed text files?), but either way, we're playing with the law of averages. Does Finder always know what is really a text file and what isn't? Hell no. Especially not in a heterogenous environment. Hell, half of the files on my desktop have the "blank" icon. All I'm saying is, as long as our solution won't be perfect, why make it difficult? > Peter DiCamillo: > There is a much simpler approach if the goal is only to avoid the > "corruption" that happens when applications like the Finder and > StuffIt change the type to TEXT after creating the file. While I > like the idea of comprehensive solution to the CR/LF problem, this > simpler approach would solve the only serious problem we have with it > here. My idea is the following: > > 1. Define a new "suppress CR/LF translation" bit in the AppleDouble > file. The bit would be off for files created by previous versions of > netatalk, and assumed off if the AppleDouble file isn't present. Ok, I follow so far... > Peter DiCamillo: > 2. When afpd creates a new file, the suppress translation bit is set > if the file is not translated at that time. Ok...but how does afpd know to translate the file? This is the problem I'm talking about...it seems you're talking about the problem of keeping track of what has or has not been translated. > Peter DiCamillo: > With this approach, a Mac user could use the Finder to copy a TEXT > file to a netatalk volume and back again without the file changing, > although it would not be translated for Unix users. This is how it works now unless you specifically set the crlf option in one of the config files...how has this changed anything? > Peter DiCamillo: > This would be > compatible with a more comprehensive solution where afpd could be > told to either translate or not translate a given file. When the > suppress bit is off, setting the file's type to TEXT would force > translation, and would also be useful to the Mac user. Now I'm confused...how do we set the file's type to TEXT? Isn't that the problem...as of OS 8, Finder doesn't set the type before copying? -- Jeremy [jeremy@wellsgaming.com] From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Wed Feb 14 17:35:13 2001 Return-Path: Received: from funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.27]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id RAA09019 for ; Wed, 14 Feb 2001 17:35:13 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id RAA05368 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Wed, 14 Feb 2001 17:35:07 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id RAA05344 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Wed, 14 Feb 2001 17:35:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from vega.brown.edu (vega.services.brown.edu [128.148.19.202]) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id RAA05306 for ; Wed, 14 Feb 2001 17:35:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from [128.148.176.25] (ppm.cis.brown.edu [128.148.176.25]) by vega.brown.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA29702 for ; Wed, 14 Feb 2001 17:35:10 -0500 (EST) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: Peter_DiCamillo@postoffice.brown.edu (Unverified) Message-Id: Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 17:35:09 -0500 To: netatalk-admins@umich.edu From: Peter DiCamillo Subject: Re: How to fix CRLF stuff... Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Jeremy Buchmann wrote: > > Peter DiCamillo: >> 2. When afpd creates a new file, the suppress translation bit is set >> if the file is not translated at that time. > >Ok...but how does afpd know to translate the file? This is the problem I'm >talking about...it seems you're talking about the problem of keeping track >of what has or has not been translated. Yes, I'm talking about a much less ambitious change than most of the discussion has been about. Afpd would decide whether or not to translate the file using the same rules as it does now. > > Peter DiCamillo: >> With this approach, a Mac user could use the Finder to copy a TEXT >> file to a netatalk volume and back again without the file changing, >> although it would not be translated for Unix users. > >This is how it works now unless you specifically set the crlf option in one >of the config files...how has this changed anything? What I'm describing is a change in how the crlf handling would be done when the option is set. It would allow you to set the crlf option, but no longer get that kind of corruption. You trade off the fact that files won't get translated for Unix users if they were written by "misbehaving" Mac applications that change the type to TEXT later. > > Peter DiCamillo: >> This would be >> compatible with a more comprehensive solution where afpd could be >> told to either translate or not translate a given file. When the >> suppress bit is off, setting the file's type to TEXT would force >> translation, and would also be useful to the Mac user. > >Now I'm confused...how do we set the file's type to TEXT? Isn't that the >problem...as of OS 8, Finder doesn't set the type before copying? I'm referring to writing the AppleDouble file. In the AppleDouble file you can store 'TEXT' as the Mac file's type at the same time as you're modifying the suppress bit. Peter From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Wed Feb 14 18:29:01 2001 Return-Path: Received: from kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.25]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id SAA10159 for ; Wed, 14 Feb 2001 18:29:00 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id SAA05792 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Wed, 14 Feb 2001 18:29:00 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id SAA05769 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Wed, 14 Feb 2001 18:29:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from runner.ucdavis.edu (runner.ucdavis.edu [169.237.105.37]) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id SAA05722 for ; Wed, 14 Feb 2001 18:28:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (itlm019@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by runner.ucdavis.edu (8.11.1/8.11.0/IT4.4.8) with ESMTP id f1ENSZV12880; Wed, 14 Feb 2001 15:28:35 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 15:28:35 -0800 (PST) From: Marc Miller X-Sender: itlm019@runner.ucdavis.edu To: Flint Million cc: netatalk-admins@umich.edu Subject: Re: lost AppleDesktop data! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII You can try rebuilding the desktop (see your MacOS manual on that), but I don't know if that will bring back your icons or not. If that doesn't work, you'll just have to open up one file of each file type and resave it (forcing the AppleDesktop icon and file type data to be rewritten). On Wed, 14 Feb 2001, Flint Million wrote: > Is there a way to rebuild the desktop data with netatalk? I transferred my > netatalk shared directory to a new partition, but forgot to copy the > .AppleDesktop folder, and now all applications have the plain old "paper > with pencil" icon. Can I restore the icons, or do I actually have to > re-copy every single file?? (Believe me, this is a software archive > server, and it would take a long time to copy everything over again.) BTW > I did remember to copy the .AppleDouble folder, so all the applications > run OK, they just don't have their icons. > Thanks for any help. > > netatalk 1.4+asun1.2 > linux 2.2.16 in an i486 > > > ============================================================ /\/\arc ._|. /\/\iller (itlm019@mailbox.ucdavis.edu) Computer Room Consultant Information Technology/Lab Management ============================================================ I can be contacted through the Communication Center link from http://www.mother.com/~mjmiller/ From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Wed Feb 14 19:11:48 2001 Return-Path: Received: from funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.27]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id TAA11539 for ; Wed, 14 Feb 2001 19:11:48 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id TAA04734 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Wed, 14 Feb 2001 19:11:42 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id TAA04717 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Wed, 14 Feb 2001 19:11:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from sowrong.org (syr-24-24-23-149.twcny.rr.com [24.24.23.149]) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id TAA04596 for ; Wed, 14 Feb 2001 19:11:37 -0500 (EST) Received: (from cjc26@localhost) by sowrong.org (8.11.0/8.11.0) id f1F0BWl22897; Wed, 14 Feb 2001 19:11:32 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 19:11:32 -0500 From: Cliff Crawford To: Chris Harwell Cc: netatalk-admins@umich.edu Subject: Re: Why do long names (char > 27) not created through atalk not show up over atalk? Message-ID: <20010214191132.B22880@cornell.edu> References: <15204.982098970@deepeddy.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: ; from charwell@digitalpulp.com on Tue, Feb 13, 2001 at 05:55:06PM -0500 * Chris Harwell menulis: > hi, > > When a file with a long file name is created in linux (in this case via scp) > it doesn't show up over atalk. If a file with a long name is created over > netatlk it does. > > Anyway around this? Not really, Mac OS has a 32-character limit on filenames. So you have to make sure the filenames are shorter than that for them to show up. (If the cutoff you're experiencing really is at 27 characters, like it says in the subject, and not 32, then I guess it's not the Mac OS filename limit that's causing it..I don't know what could be wrong in that case.) -- Cliff Crawford http://www.people.cornell.edu/pages/cjc26/ "huh? Are you all there? You missing some key parts up there? Becoming a English major or an minor? Do you need a annual report? Are you slow today, eh? Did someone sever you parietal lobe?" - Mark From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Wed Feb 14 20:54:32 2001 Return-Path: Received: from easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.26]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id UAA14193 for ; Wed, 14 Feb 2001 20:54:32 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id UAA14381 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Wed, 14 Feb 2001 20:54:32 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id UAA14360 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Wed, 14 Feb 2001 20:54:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from plato.arts.usyd.edu.au (plato.arts.usyd.edu.au [129.78.16.1]) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id UAA14281 for ; Wed, 14 Feb 2001 20:54:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from arts.usyd.edu.au (IDENT:matthew@whitestar.arts.usyd.edu.au [129.78.16.20]) by plato.arts.usyd.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA13132; Thu, 15 Feb 2001 12:54:15 +1100 (EST) Sender: matthew@plato.arts.usyd.edu.au Message-ID: <3A8B37D1.CF72458F@arts.usyd.edu.au> Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 12:58:41 +1100 From: Matthew Geier Organization: Arts IT Unit, Sydney University X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.0-XFS i686) X-Accept-Language: en, pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Cliff Crawford CC: Chris Harwell , netatalk-admins@umich.edu Subject: Re: Why do long names (char > 27) not created through atalk not show up over atalk? References: <15204.982098970@deepeddy.com> <20010214191132.B22880@cornell.edu> Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/x-pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha1; boundary="------------ms1D96A3CB79CE51F4E757A2A3" This is a cryptographically signed message in MIME format. --------------ms1D96A3CB79CE51F4E757A2A3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cliff Crawford wrote: > > * Chris Harwell menulis: > > hi, > > > > When a file with a long file name is created in linux (in this case via scp) > > it doesn't show up over atalk. If a file with a long name is created over > > netatlk it does. > > > > Anyway around this? > > Not really, Mac OS has a 32-character limit on filenames. So you have to > make sure the filenames are shorter than that for them to show up. > > (If the cutoff you're experiencing really is at 27 characters, like it > says in the subject, and not 32, then I guess it's not the Mac OS > filename limit that's causing it..I don't know what could be wrong in > that case.) 27 + '.' + 'M$ style 3 letter extension' ?, thats 31 characters.... -- Matthew Geier matthew@arts.usyd.edu.au Arts IT Unit +61 2 9351 4713 Sydney University --------------ms1D96A3CB79CE51F4E757A2A3 Content-Type: application/x-pkcs7-signature; name="smime.p7s" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="smime.p7s" Content-Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature MIIH4AYJKoZIhvcNAQcCoIIH0TCCB80CAQExCzAJBgUrDgMCGgUAMAsGCSqGSIb3DQEHAaCC BckwggKtMIICFqADAgECAgMC8UswDQYJKoZIhvcNAQEEBQAwgZQxCzAJBgNVBAYTAlpBMRUw EwYDVQQIEwxXZXN0ZXJuIENhcGUxFDASBgNVBAcTC0R1cmJhbnZpbGxlMQ8wDQYDVQQKEwZU aGF3dGUxHTAbBgNVBAsTFENlcnRpZmljYXRlIFNlcnZpY2VzMSgwJgYDVQQDEx9QZXJzb25h bCBGcmVlbWFpbCBSU0EgMTk5OS45LjE2MB4XDTAwMDcyMTAyNDAzNFoXDTAxMDcyMTAyNDAz NFowSjEfMB0GA1UEAxMWVGhhd3RlIEZyZWVtYWlsIE1lbWJlcjEnMCUGCSqGSIb3DQEJARYY bWF0dGhld0BhcnRzLnVzeWQuZWR1LmF1MIGfMA0GCSqGSIb3DQEBAQUAA4GNADCBiQKBgQDR gAKbBhCplgqyhkR0Ykn4XOW0Py1G40orbP+B2KkACTMx4GxhHNg2h3nPiNC/P/9BZETw6NA+ dp/mxtN7XHmvRounnCL+9pjG3yWpw/ONNEpObjRSfujGe/jJvUF2vrAfecI/J5DKQ0/5gZMv 5fqfl4spYSPl+9vc2hKG7uvjgQIDAQABo1YwVDAjBgNVHREEHDAagRhtYXR0aGV3QGFydHMu dXN5ZC5lZHUuYXUwDAYDVR0TAQH/BAIwADAfBgNVHSMEGDAWgBSIq/Fgg2ZV9ORYx0YdwGG9 I9fDjDANBgkqhkiG9w0BAQQFAAOBgQBjjvY9P9hSktFnCJrkQSTKjh9ZBG9a58a0Hi+GvmyD t9e29sRgxHN+Nwtsu2yUs8+xv1BemYzCnri+y91uJsfRTrm4+1oc/TV+lDGWqBud68wf4x29 /xaj1oQ2vWMy1Y64KZSWyxjt+vcU5/nyNF3DGz9XtXlxTI8dntzEWkyq/DCCAxQwggJ9oAMC AQICAQswDQYJKoZIhvcNAQEEBQAwgdExCzAJBgNVBAYTAlpBMRUwEwYDVQQIEwxXZXN0ZXJu IENhcGUxEjAQBgNVBAcTCUNhcGUgVG93bjEaMBgGA1UEChMRVGhhd3RlIENvbnN1bHRpbmcx KDAmBgNVBAsTH0NlcnRpZmljYXRpb24gU2VydmljZXMgRGl2aXNpb24xJDAiBgNVBAMTG1Ro YXd0ZSBQZXJzb25hbCBGcmVlbWFpbCBDQTErMCkGCSqGSIb3DQEJARYccGVyc29uYWwtZnJl ZW1haWxAdGhhd3RlLmNvbTAeFw05OTA5MTYxNDAxNDBaFw0wMTA5MTUxNDAxNDBaMIGUMQsw CQYDVQQGEwJaQTEVMBMGA1UECBMMV2VzdGVybiBDYXBlMRQwEgYDVQQHEwtEdXJiYW52aWxs ZTEPMA0GA1UEChMGVGhhd3RlMR0wGwYDVQQLExRDZXJ0aWZpY2F0ZSBTZXJ2aWNlczEoMCYG A1UEAxMfUGVyc29uYWwgRnJlZW1haWwgUlNBIDE5OTkuOS4xNjCBnzANBgkqhkiG9w0BAQEF AAOBjQAwgYkCgYEAs2lal9TQFgt6tcVd6SGcI3LNEkxL937Px/vKciT0QlKsV5Xje2F6F4Tn /XI5OJS06u1lp5IGXr3gZfYZu5R5dkw+uWhwdYQc9BF0ALwFLE8JAxcxzPRB1HLGpl3iiESw iy7ETfHw1oU+bPOVlHiRfkDpnNGNFVeOwnPlMN5G9U8CAwEAAaM3MDUwEgYDVR0TAQH/BAgw BgEB/wIBADAfBgNVHSMEGDAWgBRyScJzNMZV9At2coF+d/SH58ayDjANBgkqhkiG9w0BAQQF AAOBgQBrxlnpMfrptuyxA9jfcnL+kWBI6sZV3XvwZ47GYXDnbcKlN9idtxcoVgWL3Vx1b8aR kMZsZnET0BB8a5FvhuAhNi3B1+qyCa3PLW3Gg1Kb+7v+nIed/LfpdJLkXJeu/H6syg1vcnpn LGtz9Yb5nfUAbvQdB86dnoJjKe+TCX5V3jGCAd8wggHbAgEBMIGcMIGUMQswCQYDVQQGEwJa QTEVMBMGA1UECBMMV2VzdGVybiBDYXBlMRQwEgYDVQQHEwtEdXJiYW52aWxsZTEPMA0GA1UE ChMGVGhhd3RlMR0wGwYDVQQLExRDZXJ0aWZpY2F0ZSBTZXJ2aWNlczEoMCYGA1UEAxMfUGVy c29uYWwgRnJlZW1haWwgUlNBIDE5OTkuOS4xNgIDAvFLMAkGBSsOAwIaBQCggZkwGAYJKoZI hvcNAQkDMQsGCSqGSIb3DQEHATAcBgkqhkiG9w0BCQUxDxcNMDEwMjE1MDE1ODQyWjAjBgkq hkiG9w0BCQQxFgQU0923D7vLNyT9YC/glh5mAbLunYgwOgYJKoZIhvcNAQkPMS0wKzAKBggq hkiG9w0DBzAOBggqhkiG9w0DAgICAIAwDQYIKoZIhvcNAwICAUAwDQYJKoZIhvcNAQEBBQAE gYAOzzjyDGjeiTumwXqcs+ltGVjyQZwcxrWKi0m0SRkpDEMgULa7U15VsroDEXxzGyjhNeD/ cwWKQXEtTMyIVjvCH13F9tBVDgqAUjvlSpnYq+feQw1rgTglVOIIqT0UPAuxyi9KOgV/KQEL RrLR4unzhrPv24VCGatlPunhrVLNpg== --------------ms1D96A3CB79CE51F4E757A2A3-- From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Thu Feb 15 05:54:38 2001 Return-Path: Received: from easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.26]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id FAA27962 for ; Thu, 15 Feb 2001 05:54:38 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id FAA24820 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Thu, 15 Feb 2001 05:54:38 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id FAA24806 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Thu, 15 Feb 2001 05:54:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from smart.visp-europe.psi.com (smart.visp-europe.psi.com [212.222.105.5]) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id FAA24772 for ; Thu, 15 Feb 2001 05:54:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from n246-59.berlin.snafu.de ([195.21.246.59] helo=athlet.deltaman.de) by smart.visp-europe.psi.com with esmtp (Exim 3.22 #1) id 14TM3X-0005dW-00; Thu, 15 Feb 2001 11:54:35 +0100 Received: from athlet (root@athlet.deltaman.de [192.168.1.1]) by athlet.deltaman.de (8.9.3/8.9.3/SuSE Linux 8.9.3-0.1) with SMTP id LAA15069; Thu, 15 Feb 2001 11:50:18 +0100 From: Carsten Neumann Reply-To: deltor@snafu.de To: Matthew Geier , netatalk-admins@umich.edu Subject: Re: Why do long names (char > 27) not created through atalk not show up over atalk? Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 11:25:23 +0100 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.0.28] Content-Type: text/plain References: <15204.982098970@deepeddy.com> <20010214191132.B22880@cornell.edu> <3A8B37D1.CF72458F@arts.usyd.edu.au> In-Reply-To: <3A8B37D1.CF72458F@arts.usyd.edu.au> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <01021511501700.08422@athlet> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu id FAA27962 On Thu, 15 Feb 2001, Matthew Geier wrote: > > Cliff Crawford wrote: > > > > * Chris Harwell menulis: > > > hi, > > > > > > When a file with a long file name is created in linux (in this case via scp) > > > it doesn't show up over atalk. If a file with a long name is created over > > > netatlk it does. > > > > > > Anyway around this? > > > > Not really, Mac OS has a 32-character limit on filenames. So you have to > > make sure the filenames are shorter than that for them to show up. > > > > (If the cutoff you're experiencing really is at 27 characters, like it > > says in the subject, and not 32, then I guess it's not the Mac OS > > filename limit that's causing it..I don't know what could be wrong in > > that case.) > > 27 + '.' + 'M$ style 3 letter extension' ?, thats 31 characters.... Feel like lying naked under the table of a pub - people tumbling around, kicking my balls. Are we going MessDos?! Filenames aren't "suffixed" by afpd when transferred to a Mac. If so: why? There would be no need. Netatalk is not samba! I just checked this: the limit is at 31 chars (like MacOS). Are you using a different version of natatalk? I'm using 1.4b2+asun2.1.3. Regards Carsten From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Thu Feb 15 08:42:02 2001 Return-Path: Received: from funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.27]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id IAA00715 for ; Thu, 15 Feb 2001 08:42:01 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id IAA10621 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Thu, 15 Feb 2001 08:41:55 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id IAA10592 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Thu, 15 Feb 2001 08:41:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.the-i-pa.com (client-151-201-71-132.the-i-pa.com [151.201.71.132] (may be forged)) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with SMTP id IAA10558 for ; Thu, 15 Feb 2001 08:41:53 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 64565 invoked from network); 15 Feb 2001 13:53:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.iowna.com) (151.201.71.139) by mail.the-i-pa.com with SMTP; 15 Feb 2001 13:53:40 -0000 Sender: wmoran@mail.iowna.com Message-ID: <3A8B98B4.C9575B48@mail.iowna.com> Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 08:52:04 +0000 From: Bill Moran Organization: Iowna Software X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 4.2-STABLE i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: deltor@snafu.de CC: Matthew Geier , netatalk-admins@umich.edu Subject: Re: Why do long names (char > 27) not created through atalk not show up over atalk? References: <15204.982098970@deepeddy.com> <20010214191132.B22880@cornell.edu> <3A8B37D1.CF72458F@arts.usyd.edu.au> <01021511501700.08422@athlet> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Carsten Neumann wrote: > > 27 + '.' + 'M$ style 3 letter extension' ?, thats 31 characters.... > > Feel like lying naked under the table of a pub - people tumbling around, > kicking my balls. To each his own. > Filenames aren't "suffixed" by afpd when transferred to a Mac. > If so: why? There would be no need. Netatalk is not samba! No, but if samba were creating the files, it would look on the Mac like the "filename" (the part before the dot) was limited to 27 chars. -Bill From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Thu Feb 15 10:37:07 2001 Return-Path: Received: from easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.26]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id KAA03729 for ; Thu, 15 Feb 2001 10:37:07 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id KAA21769 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Thu, 15 Feb 2001 10:37:07 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id KAA21741 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Thu, 15 Feb 2001 10:37:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.teleologic.net (17eos170.eosinc.com [12.39.14.170]) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id KAA21682 for ; Thu, 15 Feb 2001 10:37:05 -0500 (EST) Received: by mail.teleologic.net (Postfix, from userid 1049) id 8DF682B90E8; Thu, 15 Feb 2001 09:36:59 -0600 (CST) Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 09:36:59 -0600 From: Danny Sauer To: netatalk-admins@umich.edu Subject: Re: Why do long names (char > 27) not created through atalk not show up over atalk? Message-ID: <20010215093659.A26198@teleologic.net> References: <15204.982098970@deepeddy.com> <20010214191132.B22880@cornell.edu> <3A8B37D1.CF72458F@arts.usyd.edu.au> <01021511501700.08422@athlet> <3A8B98B4.C9575B48@mail.iowna.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <3A8B98B4.C9575B48@mail.iowna.com>; from wmoran@mail.iowna.com on Thu, Feb 15, 2001 at 08:52:04AM +0000 X-Operating-System: Linux 2.2.16 i686 X-Dont-Spam-Me: I might come after you Bill wrote regarding 'Re: Why do long names (char > 27) not created through atalk not show up over atalk?' on Thu, Feb 15 at 07:59: > Carsten Neumann wrote: > > > 27 + '.' + 'M$ style 3 letter extension' ?, thats 31 characters.... > > > > Feel like lying naked under the table of a pub - people tumbling around, > > kicking my balls. > > To each his own. Eeek. > > Filenames aren't "suffixed" by afpd when transferred to a Mac. > > If so: why? There would be no need. Netatalk is not samba! > > No, but if samba were creating the files, it would look on the Mac like > the "filename" (the part before the dot) was limited to 27 chars. You mean if the files were created on windows with "hide registered file types" activated, then the windows user would only see 27 chars, but the mac and *nix sides would see the dot and extension that windows creates behind the scenes, pushing the real filename over the 31 char limit. Right? The problem here, as usual, likely lies with windows. :) --Danny From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Thu Feb 15 10:55:08 2001 Return-Path: Received: from easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.26]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id KAA04060 for ; Thu, 15 Feb 2001 10:55:08 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id KAA22149 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Thu, 15 Feb 2001 10:55:08 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id KAA22131 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Thu, 15 Feb 2001 10:55:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.the-i-pa.com (client-151-201-71-132.the-i-pa.com [151.201.71.132] (may be forged)) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with SMTP id KAA22091 for ; Thu, 15 Feb 2001 10:55:06 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 65556 invoked from network); 15 Feb 2001 16:06:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.iowna.com) (151.201.71.139) by mail.the-i-pa.com with SMTP; 15 Feb 2001 16:06:47 -0000 Sender: wmoran@mail.iowna.com Message-ID: <3A8BB7E6.DCFACCFA@mail.iowna.com> Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 11:05:10 +0000 From: Bill Moran Organization: Iowna Software X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 4.2-STABLE i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Danny Sauer CC: netatalk-admins@umich.edu Subject: Re: Why do long names (char > 27) not created through atalk not show up over atalk? References: <15204.982098970@deepeddy.com> <20010214191132.B22880@cornell.edu> <3A8B37D1.CF72458F@arts.usyd.edu.au> <01021511501700.08422@athlet> <3A8B98B4.C9575B48@mail.iowna.com> <20010215093659.A26198@teleologic.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Danny Sauer wrote: > > No, but if samba were creating the files, it would look on the Mac like > > the "filename" (the part before the dot) was limited to 27 chars. > > You mean if the files were created on windows with "hide registered file types" > activated, then the windows user would only see 27 chars, but the mac and *nix > sides would see the dot and extension that windows creates behind the scenes, > pushing the real filename over the 31 char limit. Right? No, when Win makes the file it makes fname.ext - always. The setting for "hide registered file types" does nothing to change the filename. It only affects the way explorer _displays_ the name. However ... If you're creating files with windows you will _need_ a file extension so windows knows what the file is (since it doesn't use magic like UN*X or a resource fork like Mac) Therefore, the maximum length of the _filename_ part of the name ... if you create it from windows and want it to be accessible from the Mac is 27 characters. If you consider the extension part of the filename, then the max is 31 characters. It's not a technical thing, it's a matter of how you look at it. > The problem here, as usual, likely lies with windows. :) Sorry, but I don't consider this a "problem". I'm not a windows advocate or anything (I use nothing but FreeBSD, personally) but the decision to use file extensions to identify file types is no different than Apple's decision to use resource forks for the same purpose. The issue is simply the incompatibility in the way this is handled between different systems. I do have other complaints about this approach, however. If the file extension is so important, then the "." should be a reserved character in Windows and should not be a legal part of the filename. If Micros~1 had thought it through and made the dot illegal except to create file extensions, this rash of "viruses" (as the media lazily and inaccurately calls them) wouldn't be occurring because a file like "kornakova.jpg.vbs" would be an illegal filename and couldn't fool people. That, however, is off topic. -Bill From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Thu Feb 15 12:07:30 2001 Return-Path: Received: from kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.25]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id MAA06256 for ; Thu, 15 Feb 2001 12:07:30 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id MAA08248 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Thu, 15 Feb 2001 12:07:29 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id MAA08218 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Thu, 15 Feb 2001 12:07:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from austin-jump.vircio.com ([216.30.106.234]) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with SMTP id MAA08184 for ; Thu, 15 Feb 2001 12:07:27 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 28349 invoked by uid 104); 15 Feb 2001 17:07:27 -0000 Received: from cwg-dated-e7ea9493218076d8@deepeddy.com by austin-jump.vircio.com with qmail-scanner-0.90 (uvscan: v4.0.50/v4115. . Clean. Processed in 0.294487 secs); 15/02/2001 11:07:26 Received: from deepeddy-austin.deepeddy.com (HELO deepeddy.vircio.com) ([10.254.254.253]) (envelope-sender ) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 15 Feb 2001 17:07:26 -0000 Received: (qmail 2214 invoked by alias); 15 Feb 2001 17:07:26 -0000 From: "Chris Garrigues" Received: (qmail 2198 invoked from network); 15 Feb 2001 17:07:25 -0000 Received: from deepeddy.vircio.com (HELO deepeddy.com) ([10.1.2.1]) (envelope-sender ) by deepeddy.vircio.com (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 15 Feb 2001 17:07:25 -0000 X-Mailer: exmh version 2.2_20000822 06/23/2000 with nmh-1.0.4 To: netatalk-admins@umich.edu Subject: Wrapping MIME around an appledouble file X-Url: http://www.DeepEddy.Com/~cwg X-Image-Url: http://www.DeepEddy.Com/~cwg/chris.gif Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="==_Exmh_-503246850P"; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 11:07:25 -0600 Message-ID: <2195.982256845@deepeddy.com> Mail-Reply-To: cwg-dated-e7ea9493218076d8@DeepEddy.Com --==_Exmh_-503246850P Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I need to grab a file saved on a server using netatalk from a perl CGI and transmit it to the user. So far, all my attempts do is to crash netscape with an error of type 3. This makes it kinda hard to debug. Has anybody done this? Is there anything special I have to do to the data? Maybe I just have a dumb typo or thinko. here's my code fragment: open(FILE, "<$filename") or die "Couldn't read $filename: $!"; open(RESOURCEFILE, "<$resourcefilename") or die "Couldn't read $resourcefilename: $!"; print "Content-Type: multipart/appledouble; boundary=mac-part\n"; print "\n"; print "--mac-part\n"; print "Content-Type: application/applefile; name=\"$filepart\"\n"; print "Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit\n"; print "\n"; while () { print $_; } close(RESOURCEFILE); print "\n"; print "--mac-part\n"; print "Content-Type: application/octet-stream\n"; print "Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit\n"; print "\n"; while () { print $_; } close(FILE); print "\n"; print "--mac-part--\n"; Any help would be appreciated. Chris -- Chris Garrigues http://www.DeepEddy.Com/~cwg/ virCIO http://www.virCIO.Com 4314 Avenue C Austin, TX 78751-3709 +1 512 374 0500 My email address is an experiment in SPAM elimination. For an explanation of what we're doing, see http://www.DeepEddy.Com/tms.html Nobody ever got fired for buying Microsoft, but they could get fired for relying on Microsoft. --==_Exmh_-503246850P Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.4 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Exmh version 2.2_20000822 06/23/2000 iD8DBQE6jAzNK9b4h5R0IUIRAtXjAJ4mcP+fIDQrYfzOOcMmGfqApORIugCfRvje 0X+TmF+3zebu64dxg9m/f+A= =6zOO -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --==_Exmh_-503246850P-- From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Thu Feb 15 16:47:58 2001 Return-Path: Received: from funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.27]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id QAA13266 for ; Thu, 15 Feb 2001 16:47:58 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id QAA03392 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Thu, 15 Feb 2001 16:47:52 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id QAA03347 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Thu, 15 Feb 2001 16:47:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from woj.com (brilliantmovies.com [64.69.72.50]) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id QAA03309 for ; Thu, 15 Feb 2001 16:47:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from [10.0.1.4] (ip-208-181-196-65.adsl.radiant.net [208.181.196.65] (may be forged)) by woj.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA22165 for ; Thu, 15 Feb 2001 13:48:19 -0800 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/9.0.2509 Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 13:47:47 -0800 Subject: Apple, Netatalk, OS X From: Ian Wojtowicz To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Does anyone know if Apple engineers are cooperating with the Netatalk team to get it working with OS X? ___________________________________________________________________________ ian wojtowicz http://woj.com From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Thu Feb 15 17:59:56 2001 Return-Path: Received: from kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.25]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id RAA15136 for ; Thu, 15 Feb 2001 17:59:56 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id RAA09229 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Thu, 15 Feb 2001 17:59:55 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id RAA09215 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Thu, 15 Feb 2001 17:59:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from woj.com (brilliantmovies.com [64.69.72.50]) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id RAA09186 for ; Thu, 15 Feb 2001 17:59:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from [10.0.1.4] (ip-208-181-196-65.adsl.radiant.net [208.181.196.65] (may be forged)) by woj.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA22299 for ; Thu, 15 Feb 2001 15:00:16 -0800 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/9.0.2509 Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 14:59:45 -0800 Subject: Re: Apple, Netatalk, OS X From: Ian Wojtowicz To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <3A8C5669.53E5B567@univrel.pr.uconn.edu> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Hi Jeff. > Some people have gotten netatalk to work under Mac OSX (see the mailing > list archives), but nothing officially from Apple, yet. I've scanned the archives and haven't found a single person who has connected to a netatalk server with Mac OS X and actually experienced bug-free performance. Netatalk is essentially unusable with Mac OS X. This is really unfortunate for organizations that rely on Mac<->Linux connectivity. ___________________________________________________________________________ ian wojtowicz http://woj.com From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Thu Feb 15 18:13:36 2001 Return-Path: Received: from funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.27]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id SAA15573 for ; Thu, 15 Feb 2001 18:13:36 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id SAA04372 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Thu, 15 Feb 2001 18:13:29 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id SAA04344 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Thu, 15 Feb 2001 18:13:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from woj.com (brilliantmovies.com [64.69.72.50]) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id SAA04298 for ; Thu, 15 Feb 2001 18:13:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from [10.0.1.4] (ip-208-181-196-65.adsl.radiant.net [208.181.196.65] (may be forged)) by woj.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA22344; Thu, 15 Feb 2001 15:13:51 -0800 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/9.0.2509 Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 15:13:19 -0800 Subject: Re: Apple, Netatalk, OS X From: Ian Wojtowicz To: CC: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <3A8C5D13.439CD4B5@prototec.co.nz> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Hi Richard. > I thought OS X would work fine with NFS. Does NFS on OS X support all the great features we expect from appletalk file servers like custom icons, persistent icon arrangements (and window locations), robust file aliases, etc.? Or are these features abstracted away from the filesystem/protocol layer? ___________________________________________________________________________ ian wojtowicz http://woj.com From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Thu Feb 15 18:15:52 2001 Return-Path: Received: from funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.27]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id SAA15768 for ; Thu, 15 Feb 2001 18:15:51 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id SAA08457 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Thu, 15 Feb 2001 18:15:45 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id SAA08437 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Thu, 15 Feb 2001 18:15:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from galaxy.tbird.com (galaxy.tbird.com [199.72.122.9]) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id SAA08390 for ; Thu, 15 Feb 2001 18:15:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from eagle.tbird.com (eagle.tbird.com [199.72.122.7]) by galaxy.tbird.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) with SMTP id SAA18343 for ; Thu, 15 Feb 2001 18:15:41 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <200102152315.SAA18343@galaxy.tbird.com> Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 18:15:46 -0500 (EST) From: rnf Reply-To: rnf Subject: Streams plumbing error To: netatalk-admins@umich.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-MD5: FAcKb6nQt6zhw0U5A3mnuw== X-Mailer: dtmail 1.3.0 @(#)CDE Version 1.4 SunOS 5.8 sun4m sparc Hi All, I'm new to netatalk but I got it to compile and installed it on one of our Solaris 8 boxes. When I try to start it I get the following error: starting appletalk daemons: can't establish STREAMS plumbing, exiting. Any idea where the problem is? Thanks, Rick From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Thu Feb 15 18:17:37 2001 Return-Path: Received: from kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.25]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id SAA15845 for ; Thu, 15 Feb 2001 18:17:37 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id SAA10627 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Thu, 15 Feb 2001 18:17:37 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id SAA10596 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Thu, 15 Feb 2001 18:17:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from leonids.lunar.com (leonids.lunar.com [207.33.114.14]) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id SAA10547 for ; Thu, 15 Feb 2001 18:17:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from leonids.lunar.com (IDENT:miketec@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by leonids.lunar.com (8.11.0/8.11.0) with SMTP id f1FNHpM00797; Thu, 15 Feb 2001 15:17:51 -0800 From: Mike Johnson Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 23:17:51 GMT Message-ID: <20010215.23175100@leonids.lunar.com> Subject: Re: Apple, Netatalk, OS X To: Ian Wojtowicz CC: In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: Mozilla/3.0 (compatible; StarOffice/5.2;Linux) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu id SAA15845 How solid is the NFS implementation? I've heard it's been bundled with X. - Mike Johnson >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Original Message <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< On 2/15/01, 2:59:45 PM, Ian Wojtowicz wrote regarding Re: Apple, Netatalk, OS X: > Hi Jeff. > > Some people have gotten netatalk to work under Mac OSX (see the mailing > > list archives), but nothing officially from Apple, yet. > I've scanned the archives and haven't found a single person who has > connected to a netatalk server with Mac OS X and actually experienced > bug-free performance. Netatalk is essentially unusable with Mac OS X. This > is really unfortunate for organizations that rely on Mac<->Linux > connectivity. > ___________________________________________________________________________ > ian wojtowicz http://woj.com From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Thu Feb 15 18:19:03 2001 Return-Path: Received: from funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.27]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id SAA15896 for ; Thu, 15 Feb 2001 18:19:03 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id SAA14249 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Thu, 15 Feb 2001 18:18:57 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id SAA14222 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Thu, 15 Feb 2001 18:18:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from femail12.sdc1.sfba.home.com (femail12.sdc1.sfba.home.com [24.0.95.108]) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id SAA14183 for ; Thu, 15 Feb 2001 18:18:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from [10.0.1.7] ([24.176.79.249]) by femail12.sdc1.sfba.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.00 201-229-121) with ESMTP id <20010215231901.BPYV1609.femail12.sdc1.sfba.home.com@[10.0.1.7]>; Thu, 15 Feb 2001 15:19:01 -0800 User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 15:19:14 -0800 Subject: Re: Apple, Netatalk, OS X From: paul beard To: Ian Wojtowicz , Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Actually, I have used netatalk with OS X, but TCP only. I can't get appletalk (pure DPP) to work under OS 9 or X. on 2/15/01 2:59 PM, Ian Wojtowicz at i@woj.com wrote: > Hi Jeff. > >> Some people have gotten netatalk to work under Mac OSX (see the mailing >> list archives), but nothing officially from Apple, yet. > > I've scanned the archives and haven't found a single person who has > connected to a netatalk server with Mac OS X and actually experienced > bug-free performance. Netatalk is essentially unusable with Mac OS X. This > is really unfortunate for organizations that rely on Mac<->Linux > connectivity. > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > ian wojtowicz http://woj.com -- Paul Beard / 206 529 8400 8040 27th Ave NE Seattle WA 98115 You'll wish that you had done some of the hard things when they were easier to do. From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Thu Feb 15 18:46:22 2001 Return-Path: Received: from easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.26]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id SAA16584 for ; Thu, 15 Feb 2001 18:46:22 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id SAA24492 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Thu, 15 Feb 2001 18:46:22 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id SAA24457 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Thu, 15 Feb 2001 18:46:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from mta3-rme.xtra.co.nz (mta3-rme.xtra.co.nz [203.96.92.13]) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id SAA24373 for ; Thu, 15 Feb 2001 18:46:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from [192.168.1.248] ([210.54.213.206]) by mta3-rme.xtra.co.nz with ESMTP id <20010215234620.ISSY13164680.mta3-rme.xtra.co.nz@[192.168.1.248]>; Fri, 16 Feb 2001 12:46:20 +1300 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: darena6@pop3.xtra.co.nz Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 12:40:08 +1300 To: Ian Wojtowicz , From: Marcus Radich Subject: Re: Apple, Netatalk, OS X Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Interesting? I'm running *a version* of OSX that mounts the netatalk server in our offices, and at home fine. I go to the 'Go' menu, enter the IP of the Server, enter the username/password, and it mounts on my desktop. I have been able to open, save, copy Quark/Photoshop/Filemaker files, play MP3s directly off it without issue. I must admit, I haven't given it the full-blown test that it needs, but on the surface, it works. (Apart from the having to enter IP bit). Based on my experience, wait until you get a later version than the public beta ;-> OSX does get better, trust me! I'll give it a full test tonight and report back any weirdo behaviour later on. Marcus At 2:59 PM -0800 15/2/2001, Ian Wojtowicz wrote: >Hi Jeff. > >> Some people have gotten netatalk to work under Mac OSX (see the mailing >> list archives), but nothing officially from Apple, yet. > >I've scanned the archives and haven't found a single person who has >connected to a netatalk server with Mac OS X and actually experienced >bug-free performance. Netatalk is essentially unusable with Mac OS X. This >is really unfortunate for organizations that rely on Mac<->Linux >connectivity. > >___________________________________________________________________________ >ian wojtowicz http://woj.com -- ======================================================== "Always ask the question, never assume the answer." 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The names of actual companies and products mentioned herein may be the trademarks of their respective owners. ----------------------------------------------------------------- From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Thu Feb 15 19:32:09 2001 Return-Path: Received: from easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.26]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id TAA17661 for ; Thu, 15 Feb 2001 19:32:09 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id TAA10669 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Thu, 15 Feb 2001 19:32:09 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id TAA10599 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Thu, 15 Feb 2001 19:32:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from post.aecom.yu.edu (post.aecom.yu.edu [129.98.1.4]) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id TAA10552 for ; Thu, 15 Feb 2001 19:32:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from [129.98.91.150] (usseinstein.aecom.yu.edu [129.98.91.150]) by post.aecom.yu.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA22272; Thu, 15 Feb 2001 19:32:04 -0500 (EST) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: mvolaski@mailserver.aecom.yu.edu Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 19:32:04 -0500 To: netatalk-admins@umich.edu From: Maurice Volaski Subject: Re: Apple, Netatalk, OS X Cc: i@woj.com, vpierce@VNET.IBM.COM Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" >Actually, I have used netatalk with OS X, but TCP only. I can't get >appletalk (pure DPP) to work under OS 9 or X. > The only issue I saw that was Netatalk specific was that DHX authentication didn't work. It definitely does shows up in the Chooser, and I want to remember that AppleTalk transport did work, but I am not wholly certain I tested that. Unfortunately, if you are using HFS+ volumes on any available incarnation of the server, you will run into the server stalling when files are copied from client to server. The bigger the file the longer the stall. Files about a gig in size won't make it at all. This affects Samba running on X too. If you are using UFS, your partition must be smaller than 128 GB; otherwise, fsck won't work. -- Maurice Volaski, mvolaski@aecom.yu.edu Computing Support, Rose F. Kennedy Center Albert Einstein College of Medicine of Yeshiva University From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Thu Feb 15 20:09:05 2001 Return-Path: Received: from easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.26]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id UAA18862 for ; Thu, 15 Feb 2001 20:09:05 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id UAA10730 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Thu, 15 Feb 2001 20:09:05 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id UAA10713 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Thu, 15 Feb 2001 20:09:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from woj.com (brilliantmovies.com [64.69.72.50]) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id UAA10688 for ; Thu, 15 Feb 2001 20:09:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from [10.0.1.4] (ip-208-181-196-65.adsl.radiant.net [208.181.196.65] (may be forged)) by woj.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA22626; Thu, 15 Feb 2001 17:09:29 -0800 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/9.0.2509 Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 17:08:58 -0800 Subject: Re: Apple, Netatalk, OS X From: Ian Wojtowicz To: Marcus Radich CC: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit The weirdo behaviour I have experienced includes incorrectly reporting files as 0KB and intermittent errors during copying. Have you experienced any of these conditions in more recent OS X builds? > Interesting? I'm running *a version* of OSX that mounts the netatalk > server in our offices, and at home fine. > I go to the 'Go' menu, enter the IP of the Server, enter the > username/password, and it mounts on my desktop. > I have been able to open, save, copy Quark/Photoshop/Filemaker files, > play MP3s directly off it without issue. I must admit, I haven't > given it the full-blown test that it needs, but on the surface, it > works. (Apart from the having to enter IP bit). Based on my > experience, wait until you get a later version than the public beta > ;-> OSX does get better, trust me! > > I'll give it a full test tonight and report back any weirdo behaviour later > on. ___________________________________________________________________________ ian wojtowicz http://woj.com From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Fri Feb 16 00:14:35 2001 Return-Path: Received: from easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.26]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id AAA26340 for ; Fri, 16 Feb 2001 00:14:35 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id AAA00612 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Fri, 16 Feb 2001 00:14:35 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id AAA00595 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Fri, 16 Feb 2001 00:14:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from plato.arts.usyd.edu.au (plato.arts.usyd.edu.au [129.78.16.1]) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id AAA00520 for ; Fri, 16 Feb 2001 00:14:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from arts.usyd.edu.au (IDENT:matthew@whitestar.arts.usyd.edu.au [129.78.16.20]) by plato.arts.usyd.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA18625; Fri, 16 Feb 2001 16:14:23 +1100 (EST) Sender: matthew@plato.arts.usyd.edu.au Message-ID: <3A8CB838.D290CF28@arts.usyd.edu.au> Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 16:18:48 +1100 From: Matthew Geier Organization: Arts IT Unit, Sydney University X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.0-XFS i686) X-Accept-Language: en, pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Ian Wojtowicz CC: netatalk-admins@umich.edu Subject: Re: Apple, Netatalk, OS X References: Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/x-pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha1; boundary="------------ms7B68257A5F55EF96A489B87A" This is a cryptographically signed message in MIME format. --------------ms7B68257A5F55EF96A489B87A Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Ian Wojtowicz wrote: > > Hi Jeff. > > > Some people have gotten netatalk to work under Mac OSX (see the mailing > > list archives), but nothing officially from Apple, yet. > > I've scanned the archives and haven't found a single person who has > connected to a netatalk server with Mac OS X and actually experienced > bug-free performance. Netatalk is essentially unusable with Mac OS X. This > is really unfortunate for organizations that rely on Mac<->Linux > connectivity. 'bug free performance', just at the moment I would be happy with buggy performance. All the files show as zero lenght. Can move no data at all. 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Fri, 16 Feb 2001 00:16:47 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id AAA03575 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Fri, 16 Feb 2001 00:16:47 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id AAA03561 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Fri, 16 Feb 2001 00:16:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from plato.arts.usyd.edu.au (plato.arts.usyd.edu.au [129.78.16.1]) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id AAA03480 for ; Fri, 16 Feb 2001 00:16:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from arts.usyd.edu.au (IDENT:matthew@whitestar.arts.usyd.edu.au [129.78.16.20]) by plato.arts.usyd.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA21834; Fri, 16 Feb 2001 16:16:28 +1100 (EST) Sender: matthew@plato.arts.usyd.edu.au Message-ID: <3A8CB8B6.43C25182@arts.usyd.edu.au> Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 16:20:54 +1100 From: Matthew Geier Organization: Arts IT Unit, Sydney University X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.0-XFS i686) X-Accept-Language: en, pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Ian Wojtowicz CC: richard@prototec.co.nz, netatalk-admins@umich.edu Subject: Re: Apple, Netatalk, OS X References: Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/x-pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha1; boundary="------------msB42FB5944255B21F6AF35980" This is a cryptographically signed message in MIME format. --------------msB42FB5944255B21F6AF35980 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Ian Wojtowicz wrote: > > Hi Richard. > > > I thought OS X would work fine with NFS. > > Does NFS on OS X support all the great features we expect from appletalk > file servers like custom icons, persistent icon arrangements (and window > locations), robust file aliases, etc.? Or are these features abstracted away > from the filesystem/protocol layer? NFS assumes a little to much trust between the client and server and also assumes some sort of centralised login. So unless you want to convert your unix machine to netinfo and have all Mac users login to the netinfo 'domain', NFS isnt a solution. 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Fri, 16 Feb 2001 00:40:15 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id AAA29699 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Fri, 16 Feb 2001 00:40:15 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id AAA29686 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Fri, 16 Feb 2001 00:40:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from plato.arts.usyd.edu.au (plato.arts.usyd.edu.au [129.78.16.1]) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id AAA29575 for ; Fri, 16 Feb 2001 00:40:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from arts.usyd.edu.au (IDENT:matthew@whitestar.arts.usyd.edu.au [129.78.16.20]) by plato.arts.usyd.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA20805 for ; Fri, 16 Feb 2001 16:40:08 +1100 (EST) Sender: matthew@plato.arts.usyd.edu.au Message-ID: <3A8CBE41.883A8552@arts.usyd.edu.au> Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 16:44:33 +1100 From: Matthew Geier Organization: Arts IT Unit, Sydney University X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.0-XFS i686) X-Accept-Language: en, pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: netatalk-admins@umich.edu Subject: SLP (Service Location Protocol) Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/x-pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha1; boundary="------------ms5B90BD8FF4009106946DBBEE" This is a cryptographically signed message in MIME format. --------------ms5B90BD8FF4009106946DBBEE Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I got our IP only Digital Server and another Linux NetAtalk server to show up in the 'network browser' on a MacOSX 'client' machine using 'slpd' and 'static' entries. (See www.openslp.org). Apple obviously have a separate way of specifying the name from the address, as the fqdn shows up in "Network Browser' and not the comment I place in the skp.reg file, where MacOS9 at least is showing a name that is NOT an address. Pity I cant actually do anything with the OSX client. All files 0k in length. So even if netatalk doesn't directly use the SLP library and register itself, it can be easily 'fudged' with static entries for slpd. -- Matthew Geier matthew@arts.usyd.edu.au Arts IT Unit +61 2 9351 4713 Sydney University --------------ms5B90BD8FF4009106946DBBEE Content-Type: application/x-pkcs7-signature; name="smime.p7s" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="smime.p7s" Content-Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature MIIH4AYJKoZIhvcNAQcCoIIH0TCCB80CAQExCzAJBgUrDgMCGgUAMAsGCSqGSIb3DQEHAaCC BckwggKtMIICFqADAgECAgMC8UswDQYJKoZIhvcNAQEEBQAwgZQxCzAJBgNVBAYTAlpBMRUw EwYDVQQIEwxXZXN0ZXJuIENhcGUxFDASBgNVBAcTC0R1cmJhbnZpbGxlMQ8wDQYDVQQKEwZU aGF3dGUxHTAbBgNVBAsTFENlcnRpZmljYXRlIFNlcnZpY2VzMSgwJgYDVQQDEx9QZXJzb25h bCBGcmVlbWFpbCBSU0EgMTk5OS45LjE2MB4XDTAwMDcyMTAyNDAzNFoXDTAxMDcyMTAyNDAz NFowSjEfMB0GA1UEAxMWVGhhd3RlIEZyZWVtYWlsIE1lbWJlcjEnMCUGCSqGSIb3DQEJARYY bWF0dGhld0BhcnRzLnVzeWQuZWR1LmF1MIGfMA0GCSqGSIb3DQEBAQUAA4GNADCBiQKBgQDR gAKbBhCplgqyhkR0Ykn4XOW0Py1G40orbP+B2KkACTMx4GxhHNg2h3nPiNC/P/9BZETw6NA+ dp/mxtN7XHmvRounnCL+9pjG3yWpw/ONNEpObjRSfujGe/jJvUF2vrAfecI/J5DKQ0/5gZMv 5fqfl4spYSPl+9vc2hKG7uvjgQIDAQABo1YwVDAjBgNVHREEHDAagRhtYXR0aGV3QGFydHMu dXN5ZC5lZHUuYXUwDAYDVR0TAQH/BAIwADAfBgNVHSMEGDAWgBSIq/Fgg2ZV9ORYx0YdwGG9 I9fDjDANBgkqhkiG9w0BAQQFAAOBgQBjjvY9P9hSktFnCJrkQSTKjh9ZBG9a58a0Hi+GvmyD t9e29sRgxHN+Nwtsu2yUs8+xv1BemYzCnri+y91uJsfRTrm4+1oc/TV+lDGWqBud68wf4x29 /xaj1oQ2vWMy1Y64KZSWyxjt+vcU5/nyNF3DGz9XtXlxTI8dntzEWkyq/DCCAxQwggJ9oAMC AQICAQswDQYJKoZIhvcNAQEEBQAwgdExCzAJBgNVBAYTAlpBMRUwEwYDVQQIEwxXZXN0ZXJu IENhcGUxEjAQBgNVBAcTCUNhcGUgVG93bjEaMBgGA1UEChMRVGhhd3RlIENvbnN1bHRpbmcx KDAmBgNVBAsTH0NlcnRpZmljYXRpb24gU2VydmljZXMgRGl2aXNpb24xJDAiBgNVBAMTG1Ro YXd0ZSBQZXJzb25hbCBGcmVlbWFpbCBDQTErMCkGCSqGSIb3DQEJARYccGVyc29uYWwtZnJl ZW1haWxAdGhhd3RlLmNvbTAeFw05OTA5MTYxNDAxNDBaFw0wMTA5MTUxNDAxNDBaMIGUMQsw CQYDVQQGEwJaQTEVMBMGA1UECBMMV2VzdGVybiBDYXBlMRQwEgYDVQQHEwtEdXJiYW52aWxs ZTEPMA0GA1UEChMGVGhhd3RlMR0wGwYDVQQLExRDZXJ0aWZpY2F0ZSBTZXJ2aWNlczEoMCYG A1UEAxMfUGVyc29uYWwgRnJlZW1haWwgUlNBIDE5OTkuOS4xNjCBnzANBgkqhkiG9w0BAQEF AAOBjQAwgYkCgYEAs2lal9TQFgt6tcVd6SGcI3LNEkxL937Px/vKciT0QlKsV5Xje2F6F4Tn /XI5OJS06u1lp5IGXr3gZfYZu5R5dkw+uWhwdYQc9BF0ALwFLE8JAxcxzPRB1HLGpl3iiESw iy7ETfHw1oU+bPOVlHiRfkDpnNGNFVeOwnPlMN5G9U8CAwEAAaM3MDUwEgYDVR0TAQH/BAgw BgEB/wIBADAfBgNVHSMEGDAWgBRyScJzNMZV9At2coF+d/SH58ayDjANBgkqhkiG9w0BAQQF AAOBgQBrxlnpMfrptuyxA9jfcnL+kWBI6sZV3XvwZ47GYXDnbcKlN9idtxcoVgWL3Vx1b8aR kMZsZnET0BB8a5FvhuAhNi3B1+qyCa3PLW3Gg1Kb+7v+nIed/LfpdJLkXJeu/H6syg1vcnpn LGtz9Yb5nfUAbvQdB86dnoJjKe+TCX5V3jGCAd8wggHbAgEBMIGcMIGUMQswCQYDVQQGEwJa QTEVMBMGA1UECBMMV2VzdGVybiBDYXBlMRQwEgYDVQQHEwtEdXJiYW52aWxsZTEPMA0GA1UE ChMGVGhhd3RlMR0wGwYDVQQLExRDZXJ0aWZpY2F0ZSBTZXJ2aWNlczEoMCYGA1UEAxMfUGVy c29uYWwgRnJlZW1haWwgUlNBIDE5OTkuOS4xNgIDAvFLMAkGBSsOAwIaBQCggZkwGAYJKoZI hvcNAQkDMQsGCSqGSIb3DQEHATAcBgkqhkiG9w0BCQUxDxcNMDEwMjE2MDU0NDM0WjAjBgkq hkiG9w0BCQQxFgQU4usyx+H7OZFHHdF1cL/c8XrAATQwOgYJKoZIhvcNAQkPMS0wKzAKBggq hkiG9w0DBzAOBggqhkiG9w0DAgICAIAwDQYIKoZIhvcNAwICAUAwDQYJKoZIhvcNAQEBBQAE gYCczPVQnFWV8PmKGlQmGgANZBcaBWMC0riHndZQ4FBZHPK/B9gcrWxTWB93XbV1We7ojg+l EU5owPctUosVg+4mDrQz8LGvAUS37rOISJz90Nrdv7FmE9Xo3sgP2aCqOVgnHCGEeGA7vxnU B0GypSSxOwDzbz/5UuTVlFNRvbvT5w== --------------ms5B90BD8FF4009106946DBBEE-- From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Fri Feb 16 02:37:42 2001 Return-Path: Received: from funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.27]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id CAA01914 for ; Fri, 16 Feb 2001 02:37:41 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id CAA24935 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Fri, 16 Feb 2001 02:37:35 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id CAA24899 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Fri, 16 Feb 2001 02:37:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from mta6-rme.xtra.co.nz (mta6-rme.xtra.co.nz [203.96.92.19]) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id CAA24718 for ; Fri, 16 Feb 2001 02:37:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from [192.168.1.248] ([210.55.43.221]) by mta6-rme.xtra.co.nz with ESMTP id <20010216073733.NXIA6484737.mta6-rme.xtra.co.nz@[192.168.1.248]> for ; Fri, 16 Feb 2001 20:37:33 +1300 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: darena6@pop3.xtra.co.nz Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 20:31:22 +1300 To: netatalk-admins@umich.edu From: Marcus Radich Subject: Re: Apple, Netatalk, OS X Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" OK, here is a quick rundown using a "post public beta" build with a netatalk volume: Positives: - File sizes show up perfectly - Volume size is correctly represented - File mapping works well - Classic (9.1) and OS X apps can save and open files directly off the netatalk volume - Speed on 10BaseT was up to spec, 100BaseT not tested yet. - Full support for Plain Text, Encrypted Transport logins and Keychains. Issues: - Volume header shows up with the "pen crossed out" symbol, showing a locked Vol. It isn't. - Files saved from Quark 4.11 in classic didn't show up in the finder. They are there and can be opened directly from Quark. Remounting the netatalk vol shows the files properly. - Copying from the netatalk volume to a local volume icon presents a -39 error. Copy to a folder *inside* the local volume works fine. Summary: Don't base your evaluations on the Public Beta - appleshare support in OS X is improving build by build. Remember, this is still beta software! As OS X moves toward a Developer Beta (apparently 10 days away), we should start looking closely then at the support, it will be closer to the final than the current builds. mrad01 -- ======================================================== "Always ask the question, never assume the answer." Marcus Radich 1999 ======================================================== From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Fri Feb 16 04:24:15 2001 Return-Path: Received: from funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.27]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id EAA04018 for ; Fri, 16 Feb 2001 04:24:15 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id EAA09020 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Fri, 16 Feb 2001 04:24:08 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id EAA09003 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Fri, 16 Feb 2001 04:24:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from tbsun.text-bild.de (fuerth.dvs.org [212.114.66.66] (may be forged)) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id EAA08958 for ; Fri, 16 Feb 2001 04:24:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from text-bild.de ([192.168.100.31]) by tbsun.text-bild.de (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 127-57510U100L2S100V35) with ESMTP id de for ; Fri, 16 Feb 2001 10:30:15 +0100 Message-ID: <3A8CF1BB.94904298@text-bild.de> Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 10:24:12 +0100 From: anatol.ulrich@text-bild.de (Anatol Ulrich) Reply-To: Anatol.Ulrich@text-bild.de Organization: Text & Bild GmbH X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: netatalk-admins@umich.edu Subject: netatalk does not like me anymore Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit hi there, after compiling & installing the netatalk version from pre-asun2.1.4-39_test.tar.gz, we just can“t seem to authorize on the server anymore. It always confronts us with a "wrong password" message, and I really got no idea what to do. I enabled PAM support as well as shadow in the Makefile (maybe a bit redundant, but I wanted to make sure there would be some way to verify the supplied password) The logfile after restart looks like this: Feb 16 02:30:12 tblinux1 papd[22627]: restart (1.4b2+asun2.1.4) Feb 16 02:30:18 tblinux1 afpd[22630]: tblinux1:AFPServer@* started on 2.93:128 (1.4b2+asun2.1.4) Feb 16 02:30:18 tblinux1 afpd[22630]: uam: uams_guest.so loaded Feb 16 02:30:18 tblinux1 afpd[22630]: uam: uams_clrtxt.so loaded Feb 16 02:30:19 tblinux1 afpd[22630]: uam: uams_dhx.so loaded Feb 16 02:30:19 tblinux1 afpd[22630]: uam: "DHCAST128" available Feb 16 02:30:19 tblinux1 afpd[22630]: uam: "Cleartxt Passwrd" available Feb 16 02:30:19 tblinux1 afpd[22630]: uam: "No User Authent" available Feb 16 02:30:22 tblinux1 afpd[22631]: session from 1.125:249 on 2.93:129 Feb 16 02:30:22 tblinux1 afpd[22631]: cleartext login: mac_21 Feb 16 02:30:32 tblinux1 afpd[22631]: atp_rresp: Connection timed out Feb 16 02:30:42 tblinux1 afpd[22631]: afp_die: asp_shutdown: Connection timed out Feb 16 02:30:42 tblinux1 afpd[22631]: 0.04KB read, 5.18KB written Feb 16 02:30:42 tblinux1 afpd[22630]: server_child[0] 22631 done From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Fri Feb 16 07:45:20 2001 Return-Path: Received: from kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.25]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id HAA08279 for ; Fri, 16 Feb 2001 07:45:19 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id HAA23678 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Fri, 16 Feb 2001 07:45:19 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id HAA23666 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Fri, 16 Feb 2001 07:45:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from jax.cl.msu.edu (jax.cl.msu.edu [35.8.1.151]) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id HAA23650 for ; Fri, 16 Feb 2001 07:45:18 -0500 (EST) Received: by jax.cl.msu.edu (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.1) id HAA12464 for netatalk-admins@umich.edu; Fri, 16 Feb 2001 07:44:22 -0500 (EST) From: Steve Devine Reply-To: sdevine@msu.edu Organization: Michigan State University To: netatalk-admins@umich.edu Subject: unsubscribe Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 07:43:55 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.0.28] Content-Type: text/plain MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <01021607442200.12462@jax> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit unsubscribe From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Fri Feb 16 12:08:52 2001 Return-Path: Received: from easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.26]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id MAA14939 for ; Fri, 16 Feb 2001 12:08:52 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id MAA10080 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Fri, 16 Feb 2001 12:08:49 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id MAA10054 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Fri, 16 Feb 2001 12:08:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from rgrjr.dyndns.org (h0050da615e79.ne.mediaone.net [24.218.161.12]) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with SMTP id MAA09866 for ; Fri, 16 Feb 2001 12:08:42 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 4428 invoked by uid 500); 16 Feb 2001 17:08:39 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="+/5sDCFnbF" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <14989.24215.245217.659577@h0050da615e79.ne.mediaone.net> Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 12:08:39 -0500 From: Bob Rogers To: "Chris Garrigues" Cc: netatalk-admins@umich.edu Subject: Wrapping MIME around an appledouble file In-Reply-To: <2195.982256845@deepeddy.com> References: <2195.982256845@deepeddy.com> X-Mailer: VM 6.89 under Emacs 20.7.1 --+/5sDCFnbF Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Description: message body text Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Chris Garrigues" Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 11:07:25 -0600 I need to grab a file saved on a server using netatalk from a perl CGI and transmit it to the user. So far, all my attempts do is to crash netscape with an error of type 3. This makes it kinda hard to debug. Has anybody done this? Is there anything special I have to do to the data? My guess is that the .AppleDouble part is blowing Netscape's poor little mind, since it is actually binary data rather than 8-bit text. I would try sending it using base64 encoding; you can pipe it through the attached helper app, courtesy of the vm mail reader (version 6.89, (http://www.wonderworks.com/vm). Deciding how to encode the data fork might be trickier . . . base64 should be sufficient, though probably overkill in many cases. And then there's the problem of saving these properly on the receiving end. Has anybody ever heard of a MIME standard for Mac files? Failing that, you might want to try sending a Mac file from a Mac, and see how Netscape (or whatever) encodes the data fork (if at all). If it does, and the format is not too hard to generate, that might be a better solution. -- Bob Rogers --+/5sDCFnbF Content-Type: text/plain Content-Description: base64-encode.c source Content-Disposition: inline; filename="base64-encode.c" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit /* public domain */ /* * arbitrary data on stdin -> BASE64 data on stdout * * UNIX's newline convention is used, i.e. one ASCII control-j (10 decimal). */ #include #ifdef _WIN32 #ifndef WIN32 #define WIN32 #endif #endif #ifdef WIN32 #include #include #endif unsigned char alphabet[64] = "ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZabcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz0123456789+/"; int main() { int cols, bits, c, char_count; #ifdef WIN32 _setmode( _fileno(stdin), _O_BINARY); #endif char_count = 0; bits = 0; cols = 0; while ((c = getchar()) != EOF) { if (c > 255) { fprintf(stderr, "encountered char > 255 (decimal %d)", c); exit(1); } bits += c; char_count++; if (char_count == 3) { putchar(alphabet[bits >> 18]); putchar(alphabet[(bits >> 12) & 0x3f]); putchar(alphabet[(bits >> 6) & 0x3f]); putchar(alphabet[bits & 0x3f]); cols += 4; if (cols == 72) { putchar('\n'); cols = 0; } bits = 0; char_count = 0; } else { bits <<= 8; } } if (char_count != 0) { bits <<= 16 - (8 * char_count); putchar(alphabet[bits >> 18]); putchar(alphabet[(bits >> 12) & 0x3f]); if (char_count == 1) { putchar('='); putchar('='); } else { putchar(alphabet[(bits >> 6) & 0x3f]); putchar('='); } if (cols > 0) putchar('\n'); } exit(0); } --+/5sDCFnbF-- From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Fri Feb 16 15:37:31 2001 Return-Path: Received: from easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.26]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id PAA21808 for ; Fri, 16 Feb 2001 15:37:30 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id PAA01708 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Fri, 16 Feb 2001 15:37:30 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id PAA01701 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Fri, 16 Feb 2001 15:37:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from chmls20.mediaone.net (chmls20.mediaone.net [24.147.1.156]) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id PAA01671 for ; Fri, 16 Feb 2001 15:37:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from brandeis.edu (h00a04b0c2aa5.ne.mediaone.net [24.218.255.161]) by chmls20.mediaone.net (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id f1GKbQ621694; Fri, 16 Feb 2001 15:37:26 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3A8D8F86.C8BC1DF0@brandeis.edu> Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 15:47:04 -0500 From: SF Karel Reply-To: karelsf@brandeis.edu X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: netatalk-admins@umich.edu CC: Anatol.Ulrich@text-bild.de Subject: Re: netatalk does not like me anymore References: <3A8CF1BB.94904298@text-bild.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit You don't say what platform you're running on (I'd guess linux, but what distro?) Odds are that you don't want to compile with shadow support, just use PAM if the distribution uses it. Anatol Ulrich wrote: > > hi there, > after compiling & installing the netatalk version from > pre-asun2.1.4-39_test.tar.gz, we just can“t seem to authorize on the > server anymore. > It always confronts us with a "wrong password" message, and I really got > no idea what to do. I enabled PAM support as well as shadow in the > Makefile (maybe a bit redundant, but I wanted to make sure there would > be some way to verify the supplied password) From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Sat Feb 17 02:29:11 2001 Return-Path: Received: from kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.25]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id CAA06355 for ; Sat, 17 Feb 2001 02:29:11 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id CAA13911 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Sat, 17 Feb 2001 02:29:11 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id CAA13896 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Sat, 17 Feb 2001 02:29:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from icompute.com ([209.46.8.66]) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id CAA13877 for ; Sat, 17 Feb 2001 02:29:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from [209.46.8.69] (209.46.8.69) by icompute.com with ESMTP (Eudora Internet Mail Server 2.2.2); Sat, 17 Feb 2001 01:29:11 -0600 X-Sender: donlee_ppc (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2001 01:28:22 -0600 To: netatalk-admins@umich.edu From: Donald Lee Subject: Re: How to fix CRLF stuff... I want to counsel caution on this feature. One vital design element is simplicity, because data integrity is pretty important, and testing is hard. Complexity invariably introduces errors, both in the code and in operation. The schemes that I am seeing pass by are not simple and elegant. They introduce multiple passes on the data, special flag bits, special handling for upgrades, asynchronous processes etc, etc. Be careful out there. 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Thank you, Michelle From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Sat Feb 17 13:51:19 2001 Return-Path: Received: from kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.25]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id NAA17217 for ; Sat, 17 Feb 2001 13:51:19 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id NAA24715 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Sat, 17 Feb 2001 13:51:19 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id NAA24697 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Sat, 17 Feb 2001 13:51:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp10.xs4all.nl (smtp10.xs4all.nl [194.109.6.54]) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id NAA24674 for ; Sat, 17 Feb 2001 13:51:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from gildewg0.xs4all.nl (s340-modem1096.dial.xs4all.nl [194.109.164.72]) by smtp10.xs4all.nl (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f1HIoGf24875 for ; Sat, 17 Feb 2001 19:50:16 +0100 (CET) Received: (from oorschot@localhost) by gildewg0.xs4all.nl (8.10.2/8.10.2) id f1HIpW406095; Sat, 17 Feb 2001 19:51:32 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: gildewg0.xs4all.nl: oorschot set sender to eric@gildewg.xs4all.nl using -f Sender: oorschot@gildewg0.xs4all.nl To: netatalk-admins@umich.edu Subject: papd 'connection refused' From: eric@gildewg.xs4all.nl (Eric van Oorschot (mail)) Date: 17 Feb 2001 19:51:32 +0100 Message-ID: <87zoflywgb.fsf@gildewg0.xs4all.nl> Lines: 19 User-Agent: Gnus/5.0803 (Gnus v5.8.3) Emacs/20.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I'm using netatalk 1.4.99-0.20001108 and I'm able to use my Linux server as a fileserver for my iMac. But I can't get papd to work. Whatever I change to the papd.conf file I keep getting the follwing messages in my syslog. Feb 17 19:37:31 gildewg papd[19303]: read_ppd .ppd: No such file or directory Feb 17 19:38:00 gildewg papd[19305]: read_ppd .ppd: No such file or directory Feb 17 19:38:04 gildewg papd[19305]: lp_conn_unix connect /dev/printer: Connection refused Feb 17 19:38:04 gildewg papd[19305]: lp_print: lp_conn_unix: Connection refused r I don't have a /dev/printer. The user in papd :op=oorschot, and that's a user that normally can printer from the Linux server. One more thing, I'm using LPRng. Who knows what's going wrong ? Eric van Oorschot From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Sat Feb 17 14:00:26 2001 Return-Path: Received: from kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.25]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id OAA17474 for ; Sat, 17 Feb 2001 14:00:25 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id OAA03617 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Sat, 17 Feb 2001 14:00:25 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id OAA03598 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Sat, 17 Feb 2001 14:00:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from icompute.com ([209.46.8.66]) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id OAA03573 for ; Sat, 17 Feb 2001 14:00:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from [209.46.8.69] (209.46.8.69) by icompute.com with ESMTP (Eudora Internet Mail Server 2.2.2); Sat, 17 Feb 2001 13:00:26 -0600 X-Sender: donlee_in@icompute.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20010211172539.A4029@rakete.joerdens.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2001 12:57:34 -0600 To: netatalk-admins@umich.edu From: Donald Lee Subject: Re: patch for mswindows option to netatalk-1.4b2+asun2.1.3 At 10:25 AM -0600 2/11/01, Frank Joerdens wrote: >The codepage support still seems to be broken in 1.5pre3 (interestingly, >it complains if it can't find the nls directory, so it _is_ looking for >the codepage . . . but somehow it doesn't get applied). The mswindows >option does work, though, in that I can't rename folders so as to >contain ???, for instance. I am using netatalk-1.4b2+asun2.1.3 with a SuSE >specific patch, where the codepage support works, but where I don't have >the mswindows option. I am wondering, does anyone have a patch to >include the mswindows option into this version? > >Cheers, Frank When I built my netatalk, I had trouble with the part opf the makefile that built the nls stuff. I found that if you built from a clean un-tar of the package, it would build fine, but if you ran it a second time it would fail. I don't remember the details, but as I recall, the makefile that built some of this stuff didn't re-do one of its steps if the file already existed. As I recall, this was my fix: (etc/afpd/nls/Makefile) SRC = makecode.c parsecode.c OBJ = makecode.o parsecode.o INCPATH= -I../../../include CFLAGS= ${DEFS} ${OPTOPTS} ${INCPATH} all:: parsecode makecode parsecode: parsecode.o ${CC} ${CFLAGS} ${LDFLAGS} parsecode.o -o parsecode makecode: makecode.o ${CC} ${CFLAGS} ${LDFLAGS} makecode.o -o makecode install: ./makecode # <<< ADD THIS LINE *************** -mkdir ${RESDIR}/nls ${INSTALL} -m 644 maccode.* ${RESDIR}/nls clean: rm -f *.o rm -f makecode parsecode -dgl- From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Sat Feb 17 14:20:44 2001 Return-Path: Received: from funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.27]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id OAA17943 for ; Sat, 17 Feb 2001 14:20:44 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id OAA29431 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Sat, 17 Feb 2001 14:20:38 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id OAA29416 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Sat, 17 Feb 2001 14:20:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from smart.visp-europe.psi.com (smart.visp-europe.psi.com [212.222.105.5]) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id OAA29385 for ; Sat, 17 Feb 2001 14:20:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from n246-28.berlin.snafu.de ([195.21.246.28] helo=athlet.deltaman.de) by smart.visp-europe.psi.com with esmtp (Exim 3.22 #1) id 14UCuP-0006b8-00 for netatalk-admins@umich.edu; Sat, 17 Feb 2001 20:20:41 +0100 Received: from athlet (root@athlet.deltaman.de [192.168.1.1]) by athlet.deltaman.de (8.9.3/8.9.3/SuSE Linux 8.9.3-0.1) with SMTP id UAA29221 for ; Sat, 17 Feb 2001 20:19:47 +0100 From: Carsten Neumann Reply-To: deltor@snafu.de To: netatalk-admins@umich.edu Subject: Re: papd 'connection refused' Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2001 20:18:22 +0100 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.0.28] Content-Type: text/plain References: <87zoflywgb.fsf@gildewg0.xs4all.nl> In-Reply-To: <87zoflywgb.fsf@gildewg0.xs4all.nl> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <01021720162600.19689@athlet> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu id OAA17943 On Sat, 17 Feb 2001, Eric van Oorschot (mail wrote: > I'm using netatalk 1.4.99-0.20001108 and I'm able to use my Linux > server as a fileserver for my iMac. But I can't get papd to > work. Whatever I change to the papd.conf file I keep getting the > follwing messages in my syslog. > > Feb 17 19:37:31 gildewg papd[19303]: read_ppd .ppd: No such file or directory > Feb 17 19:38:00 gildewg papd[19305]: read_ppd .ppd: No such file or directory > Feb 17 19:38:04 gildewg papd[19305]: lp_conn_unix connect /dev/printer: Connection refused > Feb 17 19:38:04 gildewg papd[19305]: lp_print: lp_conn_unix: Connection refused > r > > I don't have a /dev/printer. The user in papd :op=oorschot, and that's > a user that normally can printer from the Linux server. One more > thing, I'm using LPRng. > > Who knows what's going wrong ? > > > Eric van Oorschot You missed to include your complete papd.conf entry, so I can only guess. But I had the the same "Connection refused" errors. One of my papd.conf entries is: Lasie2:\ :pr=|/usr/bin/lpr -Plasie:\ :op=deltaman:\ :pd=/etc/atalk/LC890.ppd: where "deltaman" is a mortal user, lasie a printer in printcap, and "/etc/atalk/LC890.ppd" the path to my PPD file. I.e. I piped the data through lpr instead of giving just the name of my printcap printer. Don't know what goes wrong with your PPD file. Regards Carsten From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Sat Feb 17 19:56:29 2001 Return-Path: Received: from funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.27]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id TAA23187 for ; Sat, 17 Feb 2001 19:56:29 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id TAA11068 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Sat, 17 Feb 2001 19:56:23 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id TAA11048 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Sat, 17 Feb 2001 19:56:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from xaos.homeip.net (CPE-144-132-106-169.vic.bigpond.net.au [144.132.106.169]) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with SMTP id TAA10994 for ; Sat, 17 Feb 2001 19:56:20 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 4905 invoked by uid 500); 18 Feb 2001 00:56:24 -0000 Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2001 11:56:24 +1100 From: Benjamin Lee To: "Eric van Oorschot \(mail\)" Cc: netatalk-admins@umich.edu Subject: Re: papd 'connection refused' Message-ID: <20010218115624.A4878@xaos.home.ben> Reply-To: Benjamin Lee References: <87zoflywgb.fsf@gildewg0.xs4all.nl> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <87zoflywgb.fsf@gildewg0.xs4all.nl>; from eric@gildewg.xs4all.nl on Sat, Feb 17, 2001 at 07:51:32PM +0100 I think this is a lpd / LPRng or kernel related error. 1. Maybe lpd isn't running. Or permissions aren't set properly. 2. Or parport_pc, lp, parport kernel modules were not loaded. On Sat, Feb 17, 2001 at 07:51:32PM +0100, Eric van Oorschot (mail) wrote: > I'm using netatalk 1.4.99-0.20001108 and I'm able to use my Linux > server as a fileserver for my iMac. But I can't get papd to > work. Whatever I change to the papd.conf file I keep getting the > follwing messages in my syslog. > > Feb 17 19:37:31 gildewg papd[19303]: read_ppd .ppd: No such file or directory > Feb 17 19:38:00 gildewg papd[19305]: read_ppd .ppd: No such file or directory > Feb 17 19:38:04 gildewg papd[19305]: lp_conn_unix connect /dev/printer: Connection refused > Feb 17 19:38:04 gildewg papd[19305]: lp_print: lp_conn_unix: Connection refused > r > > I don't have a /dev/printer. The user in papd :op=oorschot, and that's > a user that normally can printer from the Linux server. One more > thing, I'm using LPRng. > > Who knows what's going wrong ? > > > Eric van Oorschot -- B. http://makelinux.org/ "Always real." http://realthought.net/ __________________________________________________________________________ It destroys one's nerves to be amiable every day to the same human being. -- Benjamin Disraeli From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Sat Feb 17 21:10:25 2001 Return-Path: Received: from funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.27]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id VAA25449 for ; Sat, 17 Feb 2001 21:10:25 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id VAA05612 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Sat, 17 Feb 2001 21:10:19 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id VAA05587 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Sat, 17 Feb 2001 21:10:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from smart.visp-europe.psi.com (smart.visp-europe.psi.com [212.222.105.5]) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id VAA05526 for ; Sat, 17 Feb 2001 21:10:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from n65-163.berlin.snafu.de ([194.42.65.163] helo=athlet.deltaman.de) by smart.visp-europe.psi.com with esmtp (Exim 3.22 #1) id 14UJIr-0003lJ-00 for netatalk-admins@umich.edu; Sun, 18 Feb 2001 03:10:21 +0100 Received: from athlet (root@athlet.deltaman.de [192.168.1.1]) by athlet.deltaman.de (8.9.3/8.9.3/SuSE Linux 8.9.3-0.1) with SMTP id DAA26538 for ; Sun, 18 Feb 2001 03:09:52 +0100 From: Carsten Neumann Reply-To: deltor@snafu.de To: netatalk-admins@umich.edu Subject: Re: papd 'connection refused' Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2001 03:04:56 +0100 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.0.28] Content-Type: text/plain References: <87zoflywgb.fsf@gildewg0.xs4all.nl> <01021720162600.19689@athlet> In-Reply-To: <01021720162600.19689@athlet> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <01021803070301.26204@athlet> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu id VAA25449 On Sat, 17 Feb 2001, Carsten Neumann wrote: [snip] > One of my papd.conf entries is: > > Lasie2:\ > :pr=|/usr/bin/lpr -Plasie:\ > :op=deltaman:\ > :pd=/etc/atalk/LC890.ppd: > > where "deltaman" is a mortal user, lasie a printer in printcap, and "/etc/atalk/LC890.ppd" the path > to my PPD file. > > I.e. I piped the data through lpr instead of giving just the name of my printcap printer. > Don't know what goes wrong with your PPD file. Forgot to mention that this piping through lpr fixed my problem. ;-) Regards Carsten From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Sun Feb 18 10:00:40 2001 Return-Path: Received: from funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.27]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id KAA12257 for ; Sun, 18 Feb 2001 10:00:40 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id KAA23646 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Sun, 18 Feb 2001 10:00:32 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id KAA23630 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Sun, 18 Feb 2001 10:00:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp6.xs4all.nl (smtp6.xs4all.nl [194.109.6.48]) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id KAA23588 for ; Sun, 18 Feb 2001 10:00:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from gildewg0.xs4all.nl (s340-modem1412.dial.xs4all.nl [194.109.165.132]) by smtp6.xs4all.nl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA13909; Sun, 18 Feb 2001 16:00:34 +0100 (CET) Received: (from oorschot@localhost) by gildewg0.xs4all.nl (8.10.2/8.10.2) id f1IF0tC00324; Sun, 18 Feb 2001 16:00:55 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: gildewg0.xs4all.nl: oorschot set sender to eric@gildewg.xs4all.nl using -f Sender: oorschot@gildewg0.xs4all.nl To: deltor@snafu.de Cc: netatalk-admins@umich.edu Subject: Re: papd 'connection refused' *** SOLVED *** References: <87zoflywgb.fsf@gildewg0.xs4all.nl> <01021720162600.19689@athlet> <01021803070301.26204@athlet> From: eric@gildewg.xs4all.nl (Eric van Oorschot (mail)) Date: 18 Feb 2001 16:00:54 +0100 In-Reply-To: Carsten Neumann's message of "Sun, 18 Feb 2001 03:04:56 +0100" Message-ID: <87u25sdoih.fsf_-_@gildewg0.xs4all.nl> Lines: 26 User-Agent: Gnus/5.0803 (Gnus v5.8.3) Emacs/20.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Carsten Neumann writes: > On Sat, 17 Feb 2001, Carsten Neumann wrote: > [snip] > > One of my papd.conf entries is: > > > > Lasie2:\ > > :pr=|/usr/bin/lpr -Plasie:\ > > :op=deltaman:\ > > :pd=/etc/atalk/LC890.ppd: > > > > where "deltaman" is a mortal user, lasie a printer in printcap, and "/etc/atalk/LC890.ppd" the path > > to my PPD file. > > > > I.e. I piped the data through lpr instead of giving just the name of my printcap printer. > > Don't know what goes wrong with your PPD file. > > Forgot to mention that this piping through lpr fixed my problem. ;-) > > Regards > > Carsten Thanks to everybody for their advices. Changing my papd.conf and adding the "|/usr/bin/lpr -Plp:" part solved the problem. Now I can print from my iMac on the printer connected to the Linux server. From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Sun Feb 18 11:00:35 2001 Return-Path: Received: from funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.27]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id LAA13292 for ; Sun, 18 Feb 2001 11:00:35 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id LAA29287 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Sun, 18 Feb 2001 11:00:28 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id LAA29256 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Sun, 18 Feb 2001 11:00:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from mailout06.sul.t-online.com (mailout06.sul.t-online.com [194.25.134.19]) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id LAA29213 for ; Sun, 18 Feb 2001 11:00:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from fwd02.sul.t-online.com by mailout06.sul.t-online.com with smtp id 14UWGF-0006gP-07; Sun, 18 Feb 2001 17:00:31 +0100 Received: from server.linau.de (320064501249-0002@[217.87.110.103]) by fmrl02.sul.t-online.com with esmtp id 14UWG2-16OmFUC; Sun, 18 Feb 2001 17:00:18 +0100 Received: from [192.168.2.2] (pulsar.linau.de [192.168.2.2]) by server.linau.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA29633 for ; Sun, 18 Feb 2001 16:19:05 +0100 Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <87zoflywgb.fsf@gildewg0.xs4all.nl> References: <87zoflywgb.fsf@gildewg0.xs4all.nl> X-Mailreader: Eudora 4.3.1 Macintosh Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2001 16:03:58 +0100 To: netatalk-admins@umich.edu From: Christian Schmidt Subject: Re: papd 'connection refused' Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-Sender: 320064501249-0002@t-dialin.net Eric van Oorschot (mail schrieb am 17.02.2001: > Feb 17 19:37:31 gildewg papd[19303]: read_ppd .ppd: No such file or directory Have a look at your ppd entry in papd.conf.... Does the ppd file specified there exist? Have you typed the name and/or path correctly? hth, Christian -- Made with a Macintosh... ChriSchmi@t-online.de http://home.t-online.de/home/chrischmi/ From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Sun Feb 18 20:23:52 2001 Return-Path: Received: from funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.27]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id UAA22629 for ; Sun, 18 Feb 2001 20:23:52 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id UAA25144 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Sun, 18 Feb 2001 20:23:44 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id UAA25120 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Sun, 18 Feb 2001 20:23:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from warrior-outbound.servers.plus.net ([212.159.14.227]) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with SMTP id UAA25065 for ; Sun, 18 Feb 2001 20:23:42 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 8592 invoked from network); 19 Feb 2001 01:23:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO 212.159.20.182) (212.159.20.182) by warrior with SMTP; 19 Feb 2001 01:23:44 -0000 Message-ID: <3A8FFED8.3970@greenonline.co.uk> Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2001 16:56:56 +0000 From: Mark Jenkins Reply-To: mark@greenonline.co.uk Organization: GreenOnline X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Macintosh; I; 68K) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: netatalk-admins@umich.edu Subject: NTFS over Netatalk Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'm running Mandrake 7.0 (kernel 2.2.14-15), and netatalk-1.4b2. I have an NTFS partition mounted that I wish to share over Appletalk. The server name appears in the chooser, and the volume is listed when I log on. However when I click on it it says that the attempted connection failed. A shared ext2fs partition on the same machine mounts just fine on the mac. Is it not possible for netatalk to mount NTFS partitions over AppleTalk, just ext2fs? Would it be better for me to use the in-built kernel support that I have not, as yet, tried? I have looked thru' the READMEs, netatak web site and HOWTOs but not seen an answer. Can anyone help? Thanks, Mark -- Mark Graham Jenkins Web Administrator GreenOnline Green Productions Tel: + 44 (0) 1494 527 428 Fax: + 44 (0) 1494 527 428 Mobile 0780 1366519 E-mail : mark@greenonline.co.uk Web: http://www.greenonline.co.uk From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Sun Feb 18 22:51:57 2001 Return-Path: Received: from funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.27]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id WAA24794 for ; Sun, 18 Feb 2001 22:51:57 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id WAA26363 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Sun, 18 Feb 2001 22:51:52 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id WAA26348 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Sun, 18 Feb 2001 22:51:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from VL-MS-MR002.sc1.videotron.ca (relais.videotron.ca [24.201.245.36]) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id WAA26307 for ; Sun, 18 Feb 2001 22:51:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from fnac.net ([24.200.106.13]) by VL-MS-MR002.sc1.videotron.ca (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with ESMTP id G8ZK2I04.I1S for ; Sun, 18 Feb 2001 22:51:54 -0500 Sender: marco@fnac.net Message-ID: <3A8F3871.19787393@fnac.net> Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2001 22:50:26 -0400 From: marco a X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [fr] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.17-14 i586) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: netatalk-admins@umich.edu Subject: afps connection refused HELP!! Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit i installed netatalk and it seem to be nice : my linuxbox shared disk mount on the mac ! just one thing : the name dont appears in the chooser list... i mount it with the ip... fine know i want to mount a mac volume in the linuxbox... more dificult for me... im very newbie... afpfs is correctly insered (i think... the way i use to verifie is to insmod another time afpfs... he says :already insered...) afptest find 3 servers all in my linuxbox... no remote... but the mac is running with appleshare, tcp/ip, appletalk, i have no problem to mount my volume on another mac... afpmount says : cant find server i have two ethernet pcmcia devices, one for the internet, the other for my localnetwork. how to surely know the mac server name ? (i know it,s a stupid question but quite usefull for me) is there a special directory to move the afpfs folder/files i try nbplkup too, no more results can you help me ?? From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Mon Feb 19 06:13:20 2001 Return-Path: Received: from kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.25]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id GAA01606 for ; Mon, 19 Feb 2001 06:13:20 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id GAA16860 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Mon, 19 Feb 2001 06:13:20 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id GAA16841 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Mon, 19 Feb 2001 06:13:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from igw1.edipresse.ch (igw1.edipresse.ch [194.209.141.131]) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id GAA16800 for ; Mon, 19 Feb 2001 06:13:18 -0500 (EST) Received: (from root@localhost) by igw1.edipresse.ch (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA29752; Mon, 19 Feb 2001 12:13:17 +0100 (MET) Received: from unknown(172.16.11.46) by igw1.edipresse.ch via smap (V2.1+anti-relay+anti-spam) id xma029748; Mon, 19 Feb 01 12:13:09 +0100 Received: by meloe.edipresse.ch with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Mon, 19 Feb 2001 12:12:26 +0100 Message-ID: <9F9FCF268C46D411B60600508B6F8726A27676@meloe.edipresse.ch> From: Michalowski Thierry To: "'mark@greenonline.co.uk'" , netatalk-admins@umich.edu Subject: RE: NTFS over Netatalk Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2001 12:12:19 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C09A64.D2CD7060" This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C09A64.D2CD7060 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Hi, Chances are that your NTFS parition is read-only (AFAIK the latest status of the NTFS driver on Linux). Netatalk seems to need writing .AppleDouble dirs to be able to share something correctly. Maybe have a look at the problems related to CD-sharing on this list, and have a try! HTH Thierry -----Original Message----- From: Mark Jenkins [mailto:mark@greenonline.co.uk] Sent: Sunday, February 18, 2001 5:57 PM To: netatalk-admins@umich.edu Subject: NTFS over Netatalk I'm running Mandrake 7.0 (kernel 2.2.14-15), and netatalk-1.4b2. I have an NTFS partition mounted that I wish to share over Appletalk. The server name appears in the chooser, and the volume is listed when I log on. However when I click on it it says that the attempted connection failed. A shared ext2fs partition on the same machine mounts just fine on the mac. Is it not possible for netatalk to mount NTFS partitions over AppleTalk, just ext2fs? Would it be better for me to use the in-built kernel support that I have not, as yet, tried? I have looked thru' the READMEs, netatak web site and HOWTOs but not seen an answer. Can anyone help? Thanks, Mark -- Mark Graham Jenkins Web Administrator GreenOnline Green Productions Tel: + 44 (0) 1494 527 428 Fax: + 44 (0) 1494 527 428 Mobile 0780 1366519 E-mail : mark@greenonline.co.uk Web: http://www.greenonline.co.uk ------_=_NextPart_001_01C09A64.D2CD7060 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: NTFS over Netatalk

Hi,

Chances are that your NTFS parition is read-only = (AFAIK the latest status of the NTFS driver on Linux).
Netatalk seems to need writing .AppleDouble dirs to = be able to share something correctly. Maybe have a look at the problems = related to CD-sharing on this list, and have a try!

HTH
Thierry

-----Original Message-----
From: Mark Jenkins [mailto:mark@greenonline.co.uk= ]
Sent: Sunday, February 18, 2001 5:57 PM
To: netatalk-admins@umich.edu
Subject: NTFS over Netatalk


I'm running Mandrake 7.0  (kernel 2.2.14-15), = and netatalk-1.4b2.  I
have an NTFS partition mounted that I wish to share = over Appletalk. The
server name appears in the chooser, and the volume = is listed when I log
on. However when I click on it it says that the = attempted connection
failed.  A  shared ext2fs partition on the = same machine mounts just fine
on the mac.  Is it not possible for netatalk to = mount NTFS partitions
over AppleTalk, just ext2fs?  Would it be = better for me to use the
in-built kernel support that I have not, as yet, = tried?

I have looked thru' the READMEs, netatak web site and = HOWTOs but not
seen an answer. Can anyone help?

Thanks,
Mark
--
Mark Graham Jenkins
Web Administrator
GreenOnline
Green Productions

Tel: + 44 (0) 1494 527 428
Fax: + 44 (0) 1494 527 428
Mobile 0780 1366519
E-mail : mark@greenonline.co.uk
Web: http://www.greenonline.co.uk

------_=_NextPart_001_01C09A64.D2CD7060-- From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Mon Feb 19 08:26:13 2001 Return-Path: Received: from easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.26]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id IAA03964 for ; Mon, 19 Feb 2001 08:26:13 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id IAA05933 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Mon, 19 Feb 2001 08:26:13 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id IAA05927 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Mon, 19 Feb 2001 08:26:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from scbbs-bo.com (ns.scbbs.com.bo [166.114.154.21]) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id IAA05911 for ; Mon, 19 Feb 2001 08:26:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from ns.scbbs-bo.com [166.114.154.21] by scbbs-bo.com (SMTPD32-6.06) id AE5D2FC8024A; Mon, 19 Feb 2001 09:23:41 -0400 Received: FROM [192.168.1.60] BY ns.scbbs-bo.com ; Mon Feb 19 09:23:40 2001 -0400 User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2001 09:25:05 -0400 Subject: unsubscribe From: "Martin Oblitas F." To: Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Mon Feb 19 09:46:34 2001 Return-Path: Received: from kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.25]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id JAA06903 for ; Mon, 19 Feb 2001 09:46:34 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id JAA05210 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Mon, 19 Feb 2001 09:46:34 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id JAA05198 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Mon, 19 Feb 2001 09:46:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from gorila.master.com.br ([200.250.181.129]) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id JAA05111 for ; Mon, 19 Feb 2001 09:46:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from master.com.br (IDENT:cass@[200.250.181.150]) by gorila.master.com.br (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA08589 for ; Mon, 19 Feb 2001 11:38:03 -0300 Message-ID: <3A91302F.8010009@master.com.br> Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2001 11:39:43 -0300 From: Cass Surek User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux 2.2.17-14cl i686; en-US; m18) Gecko/20001107 Netscape6/6.0 X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: netatalk-admins@umich.edu Subject: Mac OS 8.1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Guys, Are there any problems with the Mac OS 8.1 and netatalk? 8.1 doesn't work (it won't even bring me the login page), but 8.6 does. Thank you for any clues, Cass Surek From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Mon Feb 19 10:47:36 2001 Return-Path: Received: from kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.25]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id KAA08868 for ; Mon, 19 Feb 2001 10:47:36 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id KAA10239 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Mon, 19 Feb 2001 10:47:35 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id KAA10200 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Mon, 19 Feb 2001 10:47:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from univrel.pr.uconn.edu (univrel.pr.uconn.edu [137.99.59.30]) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id KAA10106 for ; Mon, 19 Feb 2001 10:47:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from univrel.pr.uconn.edu (root@test.pr.uconn.edu [137.99.59.90]) by univrel.pr.uconn.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id KAA30110; Mon, 19 Feb 2001 10:47:29 -0500 Sender: root@univrel.pr.uconn.edu Message-ID: <3A913F90.4055AEB7@univrel.pr.uconn.edu> Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2001 10:45:20 -0500 From: jeff X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.0-0.14mdk i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Donald Lee CC: netatalk-admins@umich.edu, netatalk-devel@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: patch for mswindows option to netatalk-1.4b2+asun2.1.3 References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Donald Lee wrote: > > At 10:25 AM -0600 2/11/01, Frank Joerdens wrote: > >The codepage support still seems to be broken in 1.5pre3 (interestingly, > >it complains if it can't find the nls directory, so it _is_ looking for > >the codepage . . . but somehow it doesn't get applied). The mswindows > >option does work, though, in that I can't rename folders so as to > >contain ???, for instance. I am using netatalk-1.4b2+asun2.1.3 with a SuSE > >specific patch, where the codepage support works, but where I don't have > >the mswindows option. I am wondering, does anyone have a patch to > >include the mswindows option into this version? > > > >Cheers, Frank > > When I built my netatalk, I had trouble with the part opf the makefile > that built the nls stuff. I found that if you built from a clean > un-tar of the package, it would build fine, but if you ran it a second time > it would fail. I don't remember the details, but as I recall, the makefile > that built some of this stuff didn't re-do one of its steps if the file > already existed. The fix mentioned below has been applied to the CVS tree, applied to etc/afpd/nls/Makefile.am Thanks for reporting this. jeff > As I recall, this was my fix: > > (etc/afpd/nls/Makefile) > > SRC = makecode.c parsecode.c > OBJ = makecode.o parsecode.o > > INCPATH= -I../../../include > CFLAGS= ${DEFS} ${OPTOPTS} ${INCPATH} > > all:: parsecode makecode > > parsecode: parsecode.o > ${CC} ${CFLAGS} ${LDFLAGS} parsecode.o -o parsecode > > makecode: makecode.o > ${CC} ${CFLAGS} ${LDFLAGS} makecode.o -o makecode > > install: > ./makecode # <<< ADD THIS LINE *************** > -mkdir ${RESDIR}/nls > ${INSTALL} -m 644 maccode.* ${RESDIR}/nls > > clean: > rm -f *.o > rm -f makecode parsecode > > -dgl- From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Mon Feb 19 14:46:30 2001 Return-Path: Received: from easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.26]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id OAA16071 for ; Mon, 19 Feb 2001 14:46:30 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id OAA04669 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Mon, 19 Feb 2001 14:46:30 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id OAA04642 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Mon, 19 Feb 2001 14:46:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from heretic.mabaleb.org (heretic.mabaleb.org [63.225.255.133]) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id OAA04612 for ; Mon, 19 Feb 2001 14:46:28 -0500 (EST) From: mbartosh@heretic.mabaleb.org Received: from localhost (mbartosh@localhost) by heretic.mabaleb.org (8.9.3/8.9.3/SuSE Linux 8.9.3-0.1) with ESMTP id KAA00742; Sun, 18 Feb 2001 10:49:50 -0600 Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2001 10:49:50 -0600 (CST) To: Ian Wojtowicz cc: richard@prototec.co.nz, netatalk-admins@umich.edu Subject: Re: Apple, Netatalk, OS X In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII No. On Thu, 15 Feb 2001, Ian Wojtowicz wrote: >Hi Richard. > >> I thought OS X would work fine with NFS. > >Does NFS on OS X support all the great features we expect from appletalk >file servers like custom icons, persistent icon arrangements (and window >locations), robust file aliases, etc.? Or are these features abstracted away >from the filesystem/protocol layer? > >___________________________________________________________________________ >ian wojtowicz http://woj.com > From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Mon Feb 19 15:47:15 2001 Return-Path: Received: from easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.26]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id PAA17898 for ; Mon, 19 Feb 2001 15:47:14 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id PAA23802 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Mon, 19 Feb 2001 15:47:14 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id PAA23769 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Mon, 19 Feb 2001 15:47:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from zevils.com (ool-18b85b9c.dyn.optonline.net [24.184.91.156]) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id PAA23745 for ; Mon, 19 Feb 2001 15:47:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] ident=dukenukm) by zevils.com with esmtp (Exim 3.22 #1 (Debian)) id 14UxDB-0001rZ-00; Mon, 19 Feb 2001 15:47:09 -0500 Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2001 15:47:09 -0500 (EST) From: Flint Million X-Sender: To: Marc Miller cc: Subject: Re: lost AppleDesktop data! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 14 Feb 2001, Marc Miller wrote: > You can try rebuilding the desktop (see your MacOS manual on that), but I > don't know if that will bring back your icons or not. Hmmmm... I'm not sure how to do that on a network drive. I know you can rebuild the desktop on the HD by holding down something like Command-option while booting, but that doesn't work on net drives. > If that doesn't > work, you'll just have to open up one file of each file type and resave it > (forcing the AppleDesktop icon and file type data to be rewritten). > OK, that works for those apps that actually save data, but some of the apps do not have any save features (mostly because they don't need them)... > > netatalk 1.4+asun1.2 > > linux 2.2.16 in an i486 > > > > From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Mon Feb 19 23:12:01 2001 Return-Path: Received: from easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.26]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id XAA27252 for ; Mon, 19 Feb 2001 23:12:00 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id XAA20367 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Mon, 19 Feb 2001 23:12:00 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id XAA20354 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Mon, 19 Feb 2001 23:12:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.his.com (herndon10.his.com [209.67.207.13]) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id XAA20314 for ; Mon, 19 Feb 2001 23:11:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from [192.168.1.254] (rzeman.his.com [205.252.121.43]) by mail.his.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA27651 for ; Mon, 19 Feb 2001 23:11:57 -0500 (EST) User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/9.0.2509 Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2001 23:12:51 -0500 Subject: Afp_enumerate From: Rick Zeman To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit I have a problem when mounting a netatalk (1.4b2+asun2.14) volume from a Mac. While it's mounting, the Mac goes of into cyberspace and "afp_enumerate: stat : No such file or directory" shows up in messages. After about 20 seconds, the Mac comes back and mounting proceeds normally. I suspect that this was a Mac file that I deleted from linux itself, not from a Mac. There's no file or folder called that, nor is there any .AppleDoubles with that name. Any help how I can get rid of this? Tnx. -- _______________________________ You say you are lying. But if everything you say is a lie, then you are telling the truth. You cannot tell the truth because everything you say is a lie. You lie, you tell the truth...but you cannot, for you lie. --Norman the android, "I, Mudd" From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Tue Feb 20 10:12:39 2001 Return-Path: Received: from funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.27]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id KAA09431 for ; Tue, 20 Feb 2001 10:12:39 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id KAA19050 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Tue, 20 Feb 2001 10:12:32 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id KAA19028 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Tue, 20 Feb 2001 10:12:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from tsmtp3.ldap.isp ([195.235.113.141]) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id KAA18779 for ; Tue, 20 Feb 2001 10:12:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from macserver ([213.96.54.28]) by tsmtp3.ldap.isp (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with SMTP id G92A2W04.PU2 for ; Tue, 20 Feb 2001 16:08:56 +0100 Message-ID: <000a01c09b4f$21e1c620$1a00a8c0@macserver> From: "Jesus" To: Subject: file extensions mapping file Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 16:09:31 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0007_01C09B57.827C2D10" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C09B57.827C2D10 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable anyone have a valid complete file of extension mappings and translations = for AppleVolumes.system? i use netatalk 1.4b2+asun1.3.7. 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anyone have a valid complete file of = extension=20 mappings and translations for AppleVolumes.system? i use netatalk=20 1.4b2+asun1.3.7.
 
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------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C09B57.827C2D10-- From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Tue Feb 20 10:40:05 2001 Return-Path: Received: from easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.26]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id KAA10326 for ; Tue, 20 Feb 2001 10:40:05 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id KAA23812 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Tue, 20 Feb 2001 10:40:05 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id KAA23737 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Tue, 20 Feb 2001 10:40:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from univrel.pr.uconn.edu (univrel.pr.uconn.edu [137.99.59.30]) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id KAA23561 for ; Tue, 20 Feb 2001 10:39:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from univrel.pr.uconn.edu (root@test.pr.uconn.edu [137.99.59.90]) by univrel.pr.uconn.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id KAA05484; Tue, 20 Feb 2001 10:39:43 -0500 Sender: root@univrel.pr.uconn.edu Message-ID: <3A928F3E.E3461A8@univrel.pr.uconn.edu> Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 10:37:34 -0500 From: jeff X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.0-0.14mdk i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jesus CC: netatalk-admins@umich.edu Subject: Re: file extensions mapping file References: <000a01c09b4f$21e1c620$1a00a8c0@macserver> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Jesus wrote: > > anyone have a valid complete file of extension mappings and > translations for AppleVolumes.system? i use netatalk 1.4b2+asun1.3.7. > > Thanks in advance =) Check the AppleVolumes.system file (usually installed in /etc/atalk or /etc/netatalk), which has the mappings. jeff From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Tue Feb 20 13:18:24 2001 Return-Path: Received: from easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.26]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id NAA14553 for ; Tue, 20 Feb 2001 13:18:24 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id NAA00309 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Tue, 20 Feb 2001 13:18:24 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id NAA00293 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Tue, 20 Feb 2001 13:18:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from mhp_nt1.hopkins.co.uk (mailgate.hopkins.co.uk [194.159.148.2]) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id NAA00257 for ; Tue, 20 Feb 2001 13:18:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from 194.159.148.247 (no-dns-yet.demon.co.uk [194.159.148.247]) by mhp_nt1.hopkins.co.uk with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2448.0) id FBW180JK; Tue, 20 Feb 2001 18:16:46 -0000 Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 18:18:51 +0000 From: Rory Campbell-Lange Subject: Netatalk ok, reliable for large no of users? To: netatalk-admins@umich.edu X-Priority: 3 Message-ID: <20010220181944-r01010600-8d24ad01@194.159.148.247> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; Charset=US-ASCII X-Mailer: Mailsmith 1.1.6 (Bluto) Hi We're running about 120 Mac users off 1 NT4 Compaq Proliant 1600 server in a flat network arrangement that is fully switched. The NT4 server has a single 100Mb card set to full duplex. Its 40Gb disk space is running at about 95% full. We need to replace this server with one or more servers providing, probably, a faster network interface - dual network cards - and about 100Gb file serving space. I ran a couple of tests comparing the performance over the network of reading and writing files over AoIP to a 7200 (<100Mb RAM) working as our intranet server, and compared this performance to the NT4 server. I used the helios lantest to do the tests, using small 3000K files. It seems that we would gain from a large benefit in network performance if we moved to AoIP if I'm correct in thinking that the Linux box would have done better with a 100Mb card set to full duplex. I might be wrong though! in KB/sec NT4 Linux write 3000KB file 756 810 read 3000KB file 870 1024 I am trying to select the correct hardware/software combination for these file servers. We do not have complex group/user configuration, and there is relatively little protection of directories as we work in a collaborative work environment. Our main network usage of files are Microstation CAD files, few of which are over 3Mb in size. Is netatalk/Linux a viable alternative to NT4/Windows 2000 for file serving for about 120 Mac users? Or should I be waiting for the new OSX server? I'd be really grateful for any advice or comment Rory -- Rory Campbell-Lange The Campbell-Lange Workshop London From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Tue Feb 20 13:39:59 2001 Return-Path: Received: from funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.27]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id NAA15049 for ; Tue, 20 Feb 2001 13:39:59 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id NAA10675 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Tue, 20 Feb 2001 13:39:52 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id NAA10652 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Tue, 20 Feb 2001 13:39:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from potsdam.edu (potsdam.edu [137.143.110.101]) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with SMTP id NAA10467 for ; Tue, 20 Feb 2001 13:39:46 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 21600 invoked by alias); 20 Feb 2001 18:40:00 -0000 Received: (qmail 21588 invoked by uid 0); 20 Feb 2001 18:39:59 -0000 Received: from comp10574.potsdam.edu (HELO potsdam.edu) (137.143.111.133) by potsdam.edu with SMTP; 20 Feb 2001 18:39:59 -0000 Message-ID: <3A92BA7F.EDF9F986@potsdam.edu> Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 13:42:07 -0500 From: Matthew Keller X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Rory Campbell-Lange CC: netatalk-admins@umich.edu Subject: Re: Netatalk ok, reliable for large no of users? References: <20010220181944-r01010600-8d24ad01@194.159.148.247> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Rory Campbell-Lange wrote: > Is netatalk/Linux a viable alternative to NT4/Windows 2000 for file serving > for about 120 Mac users? Piece of cake- Just don't be skimpy on the fast disks or RAM. :) One possible problem (but not always): If multiple users have the same exact file open on a Netalk server- Depending how the program deals with locking, you may get file corruption problems. This is easily tested by, quite simply, throwing such a file on a Netatalk server, and have a couple people do whatever it is they do at the same time, and see what breaks (or doesn't). -- Matthew Keller WebMaster, Interim Network Manager & Host Systems Analyst Computing & Technology Services Information Services Division State University of New York at Potsdam Website: http://mattwork.potsdam.edu/ PGP: http://mattwork.potsdam.edu/crypto/ From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Tue Feb 20 14:04:12 2001 Return-Path: Received: from easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.26]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id OAA15603 for ; Tue, 20 Feb 2001 14:04:12 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id OAA13536 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Tue, 20 Feb 2001 14:04:12 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id OAA13492 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Tue, 20 Feb 2001 14:04:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from trinity.magpage.com (trinity.magpage.com [216.155.0.8]) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id OAA13457 for ; Tue, 20 Feb 2001 14:04:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from [216.155.36.73] ([216.155.36.73]) by trinity.magpage.com (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id f1KJ48n02283 for ; Tue, 20 Feb 2001 14:04:08 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: ryannm@mail.magpage.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20010220181944-r01010600-8d24ad01@194.159.148.247> References: <20010220181944-r01010600-8d24ad01@194.159.148.247> Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 14:07:44 -0500 To: netatalk-admins@umich.edu From: Ryan McBeth Subject: Re: Netatalk ok, reliable for large no of users? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Rory, I hate to put on a flame-proof suit, but I might stay with NT in your situation. As a web publishing house, we need the virtual-hosting capabilities of Linux and Apache. Netatalk allows our artists to archive and publish right to the Apache server, things that we can't really do with IIS/NT. However, if NT is working for you now, maybe you should stick with it. You'll never find a more pro-linux person than me, but if NT is working, and working well in your situation, it might be better to get a second NT machine, network mount the drive through the first machine, and keep on working. Not trying to start a flame war, just IMHO. However, if it ain't broken ... don't break it. Ryan >Hi > >We're running about 120 Mac users off 1 NT4 Compaq Proliant 1600 server in >a flat network arrangement that is fully switched. The NT4 server has a >single 100Mb card set to full duplex. Its 40Gb disk space is running at >about 95% full. We need to replace this server with one or more servers >providing, probably, a faster network interface - dual network cards - and >about 100Gb file serving space. > >I ran a couple of tests comparing the performance over the network of >reading and writing files over AoIP to a 7200 (<100Mb RAM) working as our >intranet server, and compared this performance to the NT4 server. I used >the helios lantest to do the tests, using small 3000K files. It seems that >we would gain from a large benefit in network performance if we moved to >AoIP if I'm correct in thinking that the Linux box would have done better >with a 100Mb card set to full duplex. I might be wrong though! > > >in KB/sec NT4 Linux >write 3000KB file 756 810 >read 3000KB file 870 1024 > >I am trying to select the correct hardware/software combination for these >file servers. We do not have complex group/user configuration, and there is >relatively little protection of directories as we work in a collaborative >work environment. Our main network usage of files are Microstation CAD >files, few of which are over 3Mb in size. > >Is netatalk/Linux a viable alternative to NT4/Windows 2000 for file serving >for about 120 Mac users? Or should I be waiting for the new OSX server? > >I'd be really grateful for any advice or comment >Rory >-- > Rory Campbell-Lange > The Campbell-Lange Workshop > London __________________________________ Ryan McBeth Systems Administrator, Mobius New Media Voice: (302) 475-9880 x11 FAX: (302) 475-9894 www.mobiusnm.com __________________________________ The secret to not getting burned out is to play at working hard, and not taking things too seriously. - Linus Torvalds From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Tue Feb 20 14:14:36 2001 Return-Path: Received: from funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.27]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id OAA15845 for ; Tue, 20 Feb 2001 14:14:36 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id OAA04386 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Tue, 20 Feb 2001 14:14:29 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id OAA04362 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Tue, 20 Feb 2001 14:14:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from mailout03.sul.t-online.com (mailout03.sul.t-online.com [194.25.134.81]) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id OAA04272 for ; Tue, 20 Feb 2001 14:14:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from fwd03.sul.t-online.com by mailout03.sul.t-online.com with smtp id 14VIF2-0008WJ-04; Tue, 20 Feb 2001 20:14:28 +0100 Received: from [192.168.0.33] (07031811601-0001@[217.2.89.191]) by fmrl03.sul.t-online.com with esmtp id 14VIEf-2DetzEC; Tue, 20 Feb 2001 20:14:05 +0100 Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <000a01c09b4f$21e1c620$1a00a8c0@macserver> References: <000a01c09b4f$21e1c620$1a00a8c0@macserver> Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 19:24:49 +0100 To: netatalk-admins@umich.edu From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?J=FCrgen?= Weltzer Subject: Re: file extensions mapping file Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="============_-1229425905==_ma============" X-Sender: 07031811601-0001@t-dialin.net --============_-1229425905==_ma============ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" ; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable >anyone have a valid complete file of extension mappings and >translations for AppleVolumes.system? i use netatalk 1.4b2+asun1.3.7. A few month ago Howard Schultens passed his extension-list to this list. I'm working with it without problems. Here's his mail: X-Delivery-Time: 965375729 Resent-Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2000 03:54:47 -0400 (EDT) Sender: howard@tonne.neuro-physiol.med.uni-goettingen.de Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2000 09:54:43 +0200 =46rom: Howard Schultens Organization: Zentrum Physiologie, University of Goettingen X-Accept-Language: en To: Appletalk on Linux Subject: AppleVolumes.system Resent-From: netatalk-admins@umich.edu X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2249 X-Loop: netatalk-admins@umich.edu Resent-Sender: netatalk-admins-request@umich.edu =46or what it's worth, here is my current list of extension/type/creator pieced together from various and sundry sources. -- Howard # # This file is read before (after if -u is specified) the user's # AppleVolume file. Add extension mappings and volumes here. # #---------------------------------------------------------------------------= --- # # Volumes publicized by Netatalk from this server # # path name seen by Mac # ---- ---------------- # #---------------------------------------------------------------------------= --- # This controls the type of translation performed on the file content and th= e # mapping between UNIX filename extension and the Macintosh Creator and Type= =2E # # default translation -- note that CR <-> LF translation is done on all # files of type TEXT. The first line turns off translation for files of # unknown type, the second turns this translation on. # # ext type creator #---- ---- ------- =2E BINA UNIX # . TEXT UNIX # sounds =2Emod STrk STrk =2Emid Midi ttxt =2Eaiff AIFF SNdm =2Ewav WAVE SNdm =2Eau ULAW SNdm # video =2Emoov MooV TVOD # QuickTime movie =2Emov MooV TVOD # QuickTime movie =2Eq75 MooV TVOD # QuickTime movie =2Eq15 MooV TVOD # QuickTime movie =2Eqt MooV TVOD # QuickTime movie =2Empg MPEG mMPG =2Empeg MPEG mMPG # formatted text =2Ehtml TEXT MOSS # Netscape (Mozilla) =2Ephtml TEXT MOSS # Netscape (Mozilla) =2Ehtm TEXT MSIE # MS Internet Explorer =2Ertf TEXT MSWD =2Edoc W8BN MSWD # MS Word document =2Etar BINA TAR =2Etex TEXT *TEX =2Etxt TEXT ttxt =2Eps TEXT vgrd # (compressed) archives, image files, etc. =2Ebin BINA MB2P =2Ezip ZIP ZIP =2Etar TARF TAR! =2Egz Gzip Gzip =2EZ ZIVM LZIV =2Esea APPL aust #.sea APPL SITx =2Ecpt PACT CPCT =2Esit SIT! SIT! =2Ehqx TEXT SITx =2Esmi APPL oneb =2ESMI APPL oneb # graphics =2Etiff TIFF 8BIM # PhotoShop =2Etif TIFF 8BIM # PhotoShop =2ETIF TIFF 8BIM # PhotoShop =2Ebmp BMPp 8BIM # PhotoShop =2EBMP BMPp 8BIM # PhotoShop # .bmp BMPp JVWR =2Epct PICT ttxt =2Epict PICT ttxt =2Ejpeg JPEG JVWR =2Ejpg JPEG DAD5 # Canvas 5 =2EJPG JPEG DAD5 # Canvas 5 =2Egif GIFf MSIE # Microsoft Internet Explorer =2EGIF GIFf MSIE # Microsoft Internet Explorer # Corel =2Ecdr CDR8 Cdrw # Draw file =2Ecd4 CDR4 Cdrw =2Ecd5 CDR5 Cdrw =2Ecd6 CDR6 Cdrw =2Ecdt CDT8 Cdrw # Template =2Ecpt CPT5 Cdrw =2Ect4 CDT4 Cdrw =2Ect5 CDT5 Cdrw =2Ect6 CDT6 Cdrw # MS-Word =2Edoc V6BN MSWD =2Edot WTBN MSWD # MS-Excel =2Ewrd TEXT MSWD =2Ewrt TEXT MACA =2Exlc XLC3 XCEL =2Exls XLS5 XCEL =2Exlt TEXT XCEL # Other locals =2EPPD TEXT ttxt # #---------------------------------------------------------------------------= -- #---------------------------------------------------------------------------= -- # =2Eaep FXTC EggP # After Effects Project =2Eai TEXT ART5 # Illustrator 5.x =2Eaif AIFF SNDM # AIF Sound File (SoundMachine) =2Eal ALAW SNDM # Sun Audio File (SoundMachine) =2Eap1 PRS2 PLP2 # Persuasion 2 Presentation =2Eapi PRIF PLP2 # Persuasion 2.1 File =2Eapn AROW DAD5 # Canvas(tm) 5 Arrows =2Eapt PRT2 PLP2 # Persuasion 2 Slide =2Earc mArc SIT! # ARC Archive (Stuffit) =2Easd DCDC GDSP # Astound document =2East DCMS GDSP # Asotund Template =2Eau ULAW SNDM # Sun Audio File (SoundMachine) =2Eavi BINA AVIC # AVI to QT Utility =2Ebin BINA SIT! # MacBinary Encoded File (Stuffit) =2Ecdd CDrw dDrw # Claris Draw =2Ecgm CGM Mprn # Corel ARTISAN-CGM =2Ecid CIPT iDrw # ClarisImpact 2.0 Draw =2Ecit CIPT iPrs # ClarisImpact 2.0 Template =2Ecmx CMX6 Cdrw # Corel Graphics-CMX =2Ecom BINA mdos # DOS Binary File =2Ecpt PACT SIT! # Compact Pro Archive (Stuffit) =2Ecsv TEXT XCEL # Excel CSV Format =2Ect ..CT GKON # Scitex Image (GraphicConverter) =2Ecv5 drw5 DAD5 # Canvas(tm) 5 document =2Ecvs drw2 DAD2 # Canvas Drawing =2Ecwd CWDB BOBO # ClarisWorks Database =2Ecwg CWGR BOBO # ClarisWorks Objects =2Ecwk CWWP BOBO # ClarisWorks =2Ecws CWSS BOBO # ClarisWorks Spreadsheet =2Edat DAT Cdrw # CorelDraw 6-DAT =2Edbf F+DB FOXX # FoxPro Database =2Edcr M!95 MV95 # Director 5 Document =2Edcx DCXx GKON # DCX Graphic (GraphicConverter) =2Edic CONF DAD5 # Canvas(tm) 5 User Dictionary =2Edim AD3D AD3E # Dimensions(tm)-Document =2Edir MD95 MV95 # Director 5 Movie =2Edl TEXT BGDL # DL Animation (DLViewer) =2Edoc W6BN MSWD # Word 6 Document =2Edot sDBN MSWD # Word Stationary File =2Edot WTBN MSWD # Word Template File =2Edpn DASH DAD5 # Canvas(tm) 5 Dashes =2Edxf TEXT SWVL # DXF Drawing (Simple Body) =2Eend END Cdrw # CorelDraw 6-END =2Eenv ENV Cdrw # CorelDraw 6-ENV =2Eeps EPSP ART5 # EPS (Illustrator 5.x) =2Eevy EVYD ENVY # WPMac News 9/96.evy =2Efh3 FHD3 FHA3 # FreeHand 3.x Document =2Efh4 AGD1 FH40 # FreeHand 4.x Document =2Efh5 AGD1 FH50 # FreeHand 5.x Document =2Efh7 AGD1 FH70 # FreeHand 7.0 =2Efm FMPR FMPR # FileMaker Pro 2.x =2Efm4 FASL Fram # FrameMaker 4 =2Efp3 FMP3 FMP3 # FileMaker Pro 3.0 =2Efrx FAPP FOXX # FoxPro Application File =2Eft2 FSch FSCH # FastTrack 2.1 =2Eft3 sHD3 FHA3 # Freehand 3.1-Stationary Document =2Eft4 FTs4 FTS4 # FastTrack 4 =2Eft5 sGD1 FH50 # FreeHand 5.0-Stationary Document =2Efxp FFXP FOXX # FoxPro Format File =2Egem GEM Cdrw # CorelDraw 6-GEM Graphic =2Egl TEXT AnVw # GL Animation (MacAnim Viewer) =2Egrd ObFl DAD5 # Canvas(tm) 5 Gradients =2Egz Gzip Gzip # GZip Compressed File (MacGzip) =2Ehqx TEXT BNHQ # StuffIt Archive (BinHex) =2Ehtc htch DAD5 # Canvas(tm) 5 Hatches =2Eiff ILBM 8BIM # IFF Image (Photoshop) =2Elbx F+LB FOXX # FoxPro Index File =2Elzh TEXT LARC # LHA Archive (MacLHA) =2Emac PICT dPro # PICT File (MacDraw Pro) =2Emdp dPRO dDOC # MacDraw Pro =2Emid Midi MOUP # Midi Music File (Mark of Unicorn) =2Emif TEXT Fram # MIF (FrameMaker) =2Emii MW2D MMII # MacWrite =2Emnx FMNX FOXX # FoxPro Menu Table =2Emod STrk SCPL # MOD Sound File (SoundApp) =2Emov MooV ttxt # Quicktime Video (SimpleText) =2Empg MPEG mMPG # MPEG Video File (Sparkle) =2Emw WORD MWII # MacWrite II Document =2Ep65 AB65 AD65 # PageMaker 6.5 Publication =2Epal COLR DAD5 # Canvas(tm) 5 Colors =2Epcx PCX 8BIM # PhotoShop PCX Image =2Epdf PDF CARO # Adobe Acrobat PDF =2Epfb LWFN FONT # PostScript Type 1 Font =2Epic PICT 8BIM # PICT Image (Photoshop) =2Epit TEXT UPIT # Packit Archive =2Epjx FPJX FOXX # FoxPro Project Table File =2Epm3 ALB3 ALD3 # PageMaker 3.X Publication =2Epm4 ALB4 ALD4 # PageMaker 4.X Publication =2Epm5 ALB5 ALD5 # PageMaker 5.X Publication =2Epm6 ALB6 ALD6 # PageMaker 6.X Publication =2Epng PNGf 8BIM # PNG Image (Photoshop) =2Epot PPOT PPT3 # PowerPoint 98 Presentation Template =2Eppd TEXT ALD4 # PageMaker 4 Text Document =2Eppj PROJ PrMr # Adobe Premier 4.0 =2Eppn plin DAD5 # Canvas(tm) 5 Parallel Lines =2Epps PPSS PPT3 # PowerPoint 98 Show =2Eppt SLD3 PPT3 # Power Point 3 Document =2Epr3 PRS3 PLP3 # Persuasion 3.0 =2Eprs PRS1 PLP1 # Aldus Persuasion =2Eps TEXT vgrd # PostScript (Photoshop 5) =2Epsd 8BPS 8BIM # PhotoShop Image =2Ept3 ALT3 ALD3 # PageMaker 3 Template File =2Ept4 ALT4 ALD4 # PageMaker 4 Template File =2Ept6 ALT6 ALD6 # PageMaker 6 Template File =2Epts PRT1 PLP1 # Adobe =2Epub PUBF ALD2 # PageMaker 2 =2Epxr PXR 8BIM # Pixar Image (Photoshop) =2Eqrk XDOC XPR3 # QuarkXPress v3.x =2Eqt MooV TVOD # Quicktime Video (Movie Player) =2Eqxl XLIB XPR3 # QuarkExpress Library =2Eqxt XTMP XPR3 # QuarkXPress 3.x Template =2Erif RIFF GKON # RIFF Image (GraphicConverter) =2Erpl FRL! REP! # Replica Viewer File =2Ertf RTF MSWD # Rich Text Format (Word) =2Esct ..CT 8BIM # Scitex CT Image (Photoshop) =2Esea APPL aust # StuffIt Self-Extracting =2Esit SITD SIT! # Stuffit Archive =2Eslk TEXT PLAN # Symbolic Link =2Espn SPEN DAD5 # Canvas(tm) 5 Pens =2Et65 AT65 AD65 # PageMaker 6.5 Template =2Etar TARF TAR # Archive File =2Etbl ATB2 TBF2 # Adobe(r) Table 2.5-Document =2Etga TARG GKON # Targa Image (GraphicConverter) =2Etgz Gzip SIT! # UNIX TAR/GZip Archive (Stuffit) =2Etif TIFF 8BIM # TIFF Image (Photoshop) =2Etml ATBX TBF2 # Adobe(r) Table 2.5-Stationary =2Etpl drwt DAD5 # Canvas(tm) 5 document template =2Ettf tfil FONT # TrueType Font =2Etxt TEXT ttxt # ASCII File (SimpleText) =2Eurl LINK MSIE # URL File (Internet Explorer) =2Euue TEXT uuUN # UU Encoded File (uuUndo) =2Evoc TEXT SCPL # Sound Blaster File (SoundApp) =2Evst TPIC 8BIM # Targe Image (Photoshop) =2Ewav WAVE SCPL # WAV Sound File (SoundApp) =2Ewdb AWDB MSWK # MS Works Database =2Ewk LWKS L123 # Budget Calculator =2Ewk1 LWKS XCEL # Lotus 123 =2Ewk3 123D L123 # Lotus 1-2-3-Database File =2Ewks AWSS MSWK # MS Works Spreadsheet =2Ewmf TEXT GKON # Win Metafile (GraphicConverter) =2Ewp .WP6 WPC2 # WordPerfect Doc PC v6.x, 7.x =2Ewp2 WPD2 WPC2 # WordPerfect II Document =2Ewpd WPD3 WPC2 # WordPerfect 3.x =2Ewpg WPG2 WPC3 # WordPerfect Graphic =2Ewps AWSS PSI2 # MS Works Spreadsheet 2.0 =2Ewpt sPD3 WPC2 # WordPerfect 3 Template =2Exlb XLB5 XCEL # Excel 5 Tool Bar =2Exlc XLC5 XCEL # Excel 5 Chart =2Exlm XLM5 XCEL # Excel 5 Macro =2Exls XLS5 XCEL # Excel 5 Worksheet =2Exlt XLT XCEL # Excel Template =2Exlw XLW5 XCEL # Excel 5 Workbook =2Exnk TEXT EXCH # Microsoft Exchange =2Ez ZIVU SIT! # Compress File (Stuffit) =2Ezip ZIP ZIP # ZIP Archive File =2Ezoo TEXT Booz # ZOO Archive -- Viele Gr=FC=DFe J=FCrgen Weltzer - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Werbeagentur Weltzer Max-Eyth-Stra=DFe 8 71065 Sindelfingen Tel. +49 (0) 70.31.81.32.31 =46ax +49 (0) 70.31.81.16.01 http://www.w-ww.de/ - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Windows95/98/NT: 32 bit extension and a graphical shell for a 16 bit patch to an 8 bit operating system originally coded for a 4 bit microprocessor, written by a 2 bit company, that can't stand 1 bit of competition --============_-1229425905==_ma============ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Re: file extensions mapping file
anyone have a valid complete file of extension mappings and translations for AppleVolumes.system? i use netatalk 1.4b2+asun1.3.7.

A few month ago Howard Schultens passed his extension-list to this list. I'm working with it without problems. Here's his mail:

X-Delivery-Time: 965375729
Resent-Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2000 03:54:47 -0400 (EDT)
Sender: howard@tonne.neuro-physiol.med.uni-goettingen.de
Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2000 09:54:43 +0200
=46rom: Howard Schultens <hs@neuro-physiol.med.uni-goettingen.de>
Organization: Zentrum Physiologie, University of Goettingen
X-Accept-Language: en
To: Appletalk on Linux <netatalk-admins@umich.edu>
Subject: AppleVolumes.system
Resent-From: netatalk-admins@umich.edu
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=46or what it's worth, here is my current list of extension/type/creator
pieced together from various and sundry sources.

-- Howard
#
# This file is read before (after if -u is specified) the user's
# AppleVolume file.  Add extension mappings and volumes here.
#
#------------------------------------------------------------------------------
#
# Volumes publicized by Netatalk from this server
#
# path              name seen by Mac
# ----              ----------------

#
#------------------------------------------------------------------------------
# This controls the type of translation performed on the file content and the
# mapping between UNIX filename extension and the Macintosh Creator and Type.
#
# default translation -- note that CR <-> LF translation is done on all
# files of type TEXT.  The first line turns off translation for files of
# unknown type, the second turns this translation on.
#
# ext   type    creator
#----   ----    -------
=2E       BINA    UNIX
# .       TEXT    UNIX
# sounds
=2Emod    STrk    STrk
=2Emid        Midi    ttxt
=2Eaiff       AIFF    SNdm
=2Ewav        WAVE    SNdm
=2Eau ULAW    SNdm

# video
=2Emoov        MooV    TVOD    # QuickTime movie
=2Emov   MooV    TVOD    # QuickTime movie
=2Eq75   MooV    TVOD    # QuickTime movie
=2Eq15   MooV    TVOD    # QuickTime movie
=2Eqt    MooV    TVOD    # QuickTime movie
=2Empg   MPEG    mMPG
=2Empeg       MPEG    mMPG

# formatted text
=2Ehtml       TEXT    MOSS    # Netscape (Mozilla)
=2Ephtml      TEXT    MOSS    # Netscape (Mozilla)
=2Ehtm        TEXT    MSIE    # MS Internet Explorer
=2Ertf      TEXT    MSWD
=2Edoc        W8BN    MSWD    # MS Word document
=2Etar  BINA    TAR
=2Etex TEXT    *TEX
=2Etxt        TEXT    ttxt
=2Eps TEXT    vgrd

# (compressed) archives, image files, etc.
=2Ebin      BINA    MB2P
=2Ezip        ZIP     ZIP
=2Etar TARF    TAR!
=2Egz Gzip    Gzip
=2EZ  ZIVM    LZIV
=2Esea        APPL    aust
#.sea       APPL    SITx
=2Ecpt        PACT    CPCT
=2Esit        SIT!    SIT!
=2Ehqx        TEXT    SITx
=2Esmi        APPL    oneb
=2ESMI        APPL    oneb

# graphics
=2Etiff     TIFF    8BIM # PhotoShop
=2Etif    TIFF    8BIM # PhotoShop
=2ETIF    TIFF    8BIM # PhotoShop
=2Ebmp    BMPp    8BIM # PhotoShop
=2EBMP    BMPp    8BIM # PhotoShop
# .bmp  BMPp    JVWR
=2Epct        PICT    ttxt
=2Epict       PICT    ttxt
=2Ejpeg       JPEG    JVWR
=2Ejpg        JPEG    DAD5 # Canvas 5
=2EJPG     JPEG    DAD5 # Canvas 5
=2Egif     GIFf    MSIE # Microsoft Internet Explorer
=2EGIF  GIFf    MSIE # Microsoft Internet Explorer

# Corel
=2Ecdr   CDR8    Cdrw    # Draw file
=2Ecd4 CDR4    Cdrw
=2Ecd5        CDR5    Cdrw
=2Ecd6        CDR6    Cdrw
=2Ecdt        CDT8    Cdrw    # Template
=2Ecpt  CPT5    Cdrw
=2Ect4        CDT4    Cdrw
=2Ect5        CDT5    Cdrw
=2Ect6        CDT6    Cdrw

# MS-Word
=2Edoc       V6BN    MSWD
=2Edot        WTBN    MSWD

# MS-Excel
=2Ewrd      TEXT    MSWD
=2Ewrt        TEXT    MACA
=2Exlc        XLC3    XCEL
=2Exls        XLS5    XCEL
.xlt    TEXT    XCEL

# Other locals
.PPD    TEXT    ttxt
#
#-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
#-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
#
=2Eaep     FXTC    EggP    # After Effects Project
=2Eai      TEXT    ART5    # Illustrator 5.x
=2Eaif   AIFF    SNDM    # AIF Sound File (SoundMachine)
=2Eal      ALAW    SNDM    # Sun Audio File (SoundMachine)
=2Eap1     PRS2    PLP2    # Persuasion 2 Presentation
=2Eapi PRIF    PLP2    # Persuasion 2.1 =46ile
=2Eapn       AROW    DAD5    # Canvas(tm) 5 Arrows
=2Eapt       PRT2    PLP2    # Persuasion 2 Slide
=2Earc        mArc    SIT!    # ARC Archive (Stuffit)
=2Easd     DCDC    GDSP    # Astound document
=2East  DCMS    GDSP    # Asotund Template
=2Eau   ULAW    SNDM    # Sun Audio File (SoundMachine)
=2Eavi     BINA    AVIC    # AVI to QT Utility
.bin    BINA    SIT!    # MacBinary Encoded File (Stuffit)
=2Ecdd  CDrw    dDrw    # Claris Draw
=2Ecgm       CGM     Mprn    # Corel ARTISAN-CGM
=2Ecid CIPT    iDrw    # ClarisImpact 2.0 Draw
=2Ecit     CIPT    iPrs    # ClarisImpact 2.0 Template
=2Ecmx CMX6    Cdrw    # Corel Graphics-CMX
=2Ecom        BINA    mdos    # DOS Binary File
=2Ecpt   PACT    SIT!    # Compact Pro Archive (Stuffit)
=2Ecsv     TEXT    XCEL    # Excel CSV Format
=2Ect   ..CT    GKON    # Scitex Image (GraphicConverter)
=2Ecv5   drw5    DAD5    # Canvas(tm) 5 document
=2Ecvs     drw2    DAD2    # Canvas Drawing
=2Ecwd    CWDB    BOBO    # ClarisWorks Database
=2Ecwg      CWGR    BOBO    # ClarisWorks Objects
=2Ecwk       CWWP    BOBO    # ClarisWorks
=2Ecws       CWSS    BOBO    # ClarisWorks Spreadsheet
=2Edat   DAT     Cdrw    # CorelDraw 6-DAT
=2Edbf   F+DB    FOXX    # FoxPro Database
=2Edcr   M!95    MV95    # Director 5 Document
=2Edcx       DCXx    GKON    # DCX Graphic (GraphicConverter)
=2Edic    CONF    DAD5    # Canvas(tm) 5 User Dictionary
=2Edim      AD3D    AD3E    # Dimensions(tm)-Document
=2Edir   MD95    MV95    # Director 5 Movie
=2Edl   TEXT    BGDL    # DL Animation (DLViewer)
=2Edoc   W6BN    MSWD    # Word 6 Document
=2Edot   sDBN    MSWD    # Word Stationary =46ile
=2Edot      WTBN    MSWD    # Word Template File
=2Edpn        DASH    DAD5    # Canvas(tm) 5 Dashes
=2Edxf       TEXT    SWVL    # DXF Drawing (Simple Body)
=2Eend END     Cdrw    # CorelDraw 6-END
=2Eenv   ENV     Cdrw    # CorelDraw 6-ENV
=2Eeps   EPSP    ART5    # EPS (Illustrator 5.x)
=2Eevy     EVYD    ENVY    # WPMac News 9/96.evy
=2Efh3       FHD3    FHA3    # FreeHand 3.x Document
=2Efh4     AGD1    FH40    # FreeHand 4.x Document
=2Efh5     AGD1    FH50    # FreeHand 5.x Document
=2Efh7     AGD1    FH70    # FreeHand 7.0
=2Efm       FMPR    FMPR    # FileMaker Pro 2.x
=2Efm4 FASL    Fram    # FrameMaker 4
=2Efp3      FMP3    FMP3    # FileMaker Pro 3.0
=2Efrx FAPP    FOXX    # FoxPro Application =46ile
=2Eft2   FSch    FSCH    # FastTrack 2.1
=2Eft3     sHD3    FHA3    # Freehand 3.1-Stationary Document
=2Eft4  FTs4    FTS4    # FastTrack 4
=2Eft5       sGD1    FH50    # FreeHand 5.0-Stationary Document
=2Efxp  FFXP    FOXX    # FoxPro Format File
=2Egem        GEM     Cdrw    # CorelDraw 6-GEM Graphic
=2Egl    TEXT    AnVw    # GL Animation (MacAnim Viewer)
=2Egrd     ObFl    DAD5    # Canvas(tm) 5 Gradients
=2Egz     Gzip    Gzip    # GZip Compressed File (MacGzip)
=2Ehqx    TEXT    BNHQ    # StuffIt Archive (BinHex)
=2Ehtc  htch    DAD5    # Canvas(tm) 5 Hatches
=2Eiff      ILBM    8BIM    # IFF Image (Photoshop)
=2Elbx     F+LB    FOXX    # FoxPro Index File
=2Elzh TEXT    LARC    # LHA Archive (MacLHA)
=2Emac      PICT    dPro    # PICT File (MacDraw Pro)
=2Emdp   dPRO    dDOC    # MacDraw Pro
=2Emid       Midi    MOUP    # Midi Music File (Mark of Unicorn)
=2Emif TEXT    Fram    # MIF (FrameMaker)
=2Emii  MW2D    MMII    # MacWrite
=2Emnx  FMNX    FOXX    # FoxPro Menu Table
=2Emod STrk    SCPL    # MOD Sound File (SoundApp)
=2Emov MooV    ttxt    # Quicktime Video (SimpleText)
=2Empg      MPEG    mMPG    # MPEG Video File (Sparkle)
=2Emw  WORD    MWII    # MacWrite II Document
=2Ep65      AB65    AD65    # PageMaker 6.5 Publication
=2Epal COLR    DAD5    # Canvas(tm) 5 Colors
=2Epcx       PCX     8BIM    # PhotoShop PCX Image
=2Epdf       PDF     CARO    # Adobe Acrobat PDF
=2Epfb LWFN    FONT    # PostScript Type 1 =46ont
=2Epic    PICT    8BIM    # PICT Image (Photoshop)
=2Epit    TEXT    UPIT    # Packit Archive
=2Epjx    FPJX    FOXX    # FoxPro Project Table =46ile
=2Epm3 ALB3    ALD3    # PageMaker 3.X Publication
=2Epm4 ALB4    ALD4    # PageMaker 4.X Publication
=2Epm5 ALB5    ALD5    # PageMaker 5.X Publication
=2Epm6 ALB6    ALD6    # PageMaker 6.X Publication
=2Epng PNGf    8BIM    # PNG Image (Photoshop)
=2Epot     PPOT    PPT3    # PowerPoint 98 Presentation Template
=2Eppd       TEXT    ALD4    # PageMaker 4 Text Document
=2Eppj PROJ    PrMr    # Adobe Premier 4.0
=2Eppn plin    DAD5    # Canvas(tm) 5 Parallel Lines
=2Epps       PPSS    PPT3    # PowerPoint 98 Show
=2Eppt        SLD3    PPT3    # Power Point 3 Document
=2Epr3    PRS3    PLP3    # Persuasion 3.0
=2Eprs    PRS1    PLP1    # Aldus Persuasion
=2Eps   TEXT    vgrd    # PostScript (Photoshop 5)
=2Epsd  8BPS    8BIM    # PhotoShop Image
=2Ept3   ALT3    ALD3    # PageMaker 3 Template =46ile
=2Ept4 ALT4    ALD4    # PageMaker 4 Template =46ile
=2Ept6 ALT6    ALD6    # PageMaker 6 Template =46ile
=2Epts PRT1    PLP1    # Adobe
=2Epub     PUBF    ALD2    # PageMaker 2
=2Epxr       PXR     8BIM    # Pixar Image (Photoshop)
=2Eqrk   XDOC    XPR3    # QuarkXPress v3.x
=2Eqt   MooV    TVOD    # Quicktime Video (Movie Player)
=2Eqxl    XLIB    XPR3    # QuarkExpress Library
=2Eqxt      XTMP    XPR3    # QuarkXPress 3.x Template
=2Erif  RIFF    GKON    # RIFF Image (GraphicConverter)
=2Erpl     FRL!    REP!    # Replica Viewer =46ile
=2Ertf       RTF     MSWD    # Rich Text Format (Word)
=2Esct   ..CT    8BIM    # Scitex CT Image (Photoshop)
=2Esea       APPL    aust    # StuffIt Self-Extracting
=2Esit   SITD    SIT!    # Stuffit Archive
=2Eslk   TEXT    PLAN    # Symbolic Link
=2Espn     SPEN    DAD5    # Canvas(tm) 5 Pens
=2Et65 AT65    AD65    # PageMaker 6.5 Template
.tar    TARF    TAR     # Archive File
=2Etbl      ATB2    TBF2    # Adobe(r) Table 2.5-Document
=2Etga       TARG    GKON    # Targa Image (GraphicConverter)
=2Etgz    Gzip    SIT!    # UNIX TAR/GZip Archive (Stuffit)
=2Etif   TIFF    8BIM    # TIFF Image (Photoshop)
=2Etml    ATBX    TBF2    # Adobe(r) Table 2.5-Stationary
=2Etpl     drwt    DAD5    # Canvas(tm) 5 document template
=2Ettf    tfil    FONT    # TrueType Font
=2Etxt     TEXT    ttxt    # ASCII File (SimpleText)
=2Eurl   LINK    MSIE    # URL File (Internet Explorer)
=2Euue      TEXT    uuUN    # UU Encoded File (uuUndo)
=2Evoc  TEXT    SCPL    # Sound Blaster File (SoundApp)
=2Evst     TPIC    8BIM    # Targe Image (Photoshop)
=2Ewav   WAVE    SCPL    # WAV Sound File (SoundApp)
=2Ewdb AWDB    MSWK    # MS Works Database
=2Ewk  LWKS    L123    # Budget Calculator
=2Ewk1 LWKS    XCEL    # Lotus 123
=2Ewk3 123D    L123    # Lotus 1-2-3-Database =46ile
=2Ewks AWSS    MSWK    # MS Works Spreadsheet
=2Ewmf      TEXT    GKON    # Win Metafile (GraphicConverter)
=2Ewp    .WP6    WPC2    # WordPerfect Doc PC v6.x, 7.x
=2Ewp2      WPD2    WPC2    # WordPerfect II Document
=2Ewpd   WPD3    WPC2    # WordPerfect 3.x
=2Ewpg   WPG2    WPC3    # WordPerfect Graphic
=2Ewps       AWSS    PSI2    # MS Works Spreadsheet 2.0
=2Ewpt  sPD3    WPC2    # WordPerfect 3 Template
=2Exlb    XLB5    XCEL    # Excel 5 Tool Bar
=2Exlc  XLC5    XCEL    # Excel 5 Chart
=2Exlm     XLM5    XCEL    # Excel 5 Macro
=2Exls     XLS5    XCEL    # Excel 5 Worksheet
=2Exlt XLT     XCEL    # Excel Template
=2Exlw    XLW5    XCEL    # Excel 5 Workbook
=2Exnk  TEXT    EXCH    # Microsoft Exchange
=2Ez  ZIVU    SIT!    # Compress File (Stuffit)
=2Ezip   ZIP     ZIP     # ZIP Archive =46ile
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--============_-1229425905==_ma============-- From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Tue Feb 20 14:54:03 2001 Return-Path: Received: from easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.26]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id OAA16974 for ; Tue, 20 Feb 2001 14:54:03 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id OAA01012 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Tue, 20 Feb 2001 14:54:03 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id OAA00986 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Tue, 20 Feb 2001 14:54:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from cnp4tssm.condenast.com (cnp4tssm.condenast.com [204.252.201.5]) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id OAA00884 for ; Tue, 20 Feb 2001 14:54:00 -0500 (EST) From: Steve_Kreuzer@condenast.com Received: from Beethoven.condenast.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by cnp4tssm.condenast.com (Pro-8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id OAA11659 for ; Tue, 20 Feb 2001 14:53:55 -0500 (EST) Received: by Beethoven.condenast.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.5 (863.2 5-20-1999)) id 852569F9.006D3C92 ; Tue, 20 Feb 2001 14:53:09 -0500 X-Lotus-FromDomain: CNP To: netatalk-admins@umich.edu Message-ID: <852569F9.006D3857.00@Beethoven.condenast.com> Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 14:52:20 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline subscribe From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Tue Feb 20 15:06:46 2001 Return-Path: Received: from funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.27]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id PAA17420 for ; Tue, 20 Feb 2001 15:06:46 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id PAA25062 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Tue, 20 Feb 2001 15:06:38 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id PAA25033 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Tue, 20 Feb 2001 15:06:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from c017.sfo.cp.net (c017-h015.c017.sfo.cp.net [209.228.12.229]) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with SMTP id PAA24971 for ; Tue, 20 Feb 2001 15:06:35 -0500 (EST) Received: (cpmta 9107 invoked from network); 20 Feb 2001 12:06:41 -0800 Received: from www.waaaow.com (HELO ?192.168.0.50?) (207.171.221.217) by smtp.terrascope.com (209.228.12.229) with SMTP; 20 Feb 2001 12:06:41 -0800 X-Sent: 20 Feb 2001 20:06:41 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 12:09:13 -0800 To: netatalk-admins@umich.edu From: Walt Reed Subject: AppleVolumes.system Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" does anyone have the extention, type and creator codes for dreamweaver? i have a friend running netatalk on a solaris box & his users are having trouble w/ sharing the dreamweaver files. i'd like to write him a line for the AppleVolumes.system file, but we don't run dreamweaver here and when i asked him to look them up in the file exchange control panel on the mac he wasn't able to do it (windows guy who's trying to get a handle on unix). does anyone have the line in their AppleVolumes.system? thanks in advance, walt reed systems administrator terrascope From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Tue Feb 20 15:14:33 2001 Return-Path: Received: from kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.25]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id PAA17624 for ; Tue, 20 Feb 2001 15:14:33 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id PAA20924 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Tue, 20 Feb 2001 15:14:33 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id PAA20884 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Tue, 20 Feb 2001 15:14:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from cnp4tssm.condenast.com (cnp4tssm.condenast.com [204.252.201.5]) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id PAA20849 for ; Tue, 20 Feb 2001 15:14:30 -0500 (EST) From: Steve_Kreuzer@condenast.com Received: from Beethoven.condenast.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by cnp4tssm.condenast.com (Pro-8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id PAA17590 for ; Tue, 20 Feb 2001 15:14:27 -0500 (EST) Received: by Beethoven.condenast.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.5 (863.2 5-20-1999)) id 852569F9.006F1B8D ; Tue, 20 Feb 2001 15:13:35 -0500 X-Lotus-FromDomain: CNP To: netatalk-admins@umich.edu Message-ID: <852569F9.006F1AEA.00@Beethoven.condenast.com> Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 15:12:58 -0500 Subject: Warning at Startup Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Hello, I recently installed version 1.5pre3 and it seems to be working OK. However, when I boot up my machine (Red Hat 7.0) I get an warning (perhaps error) "kmem-grow: called nonatomically from init - size -32" this message appears multiple times and finally I get the [OK] and then everything appears to be working fine? any idea what this is, and should i be worried? -Steve From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Tue Feb 20 16:06:58 2001 Return-Path: Received: from funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.27]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id QAA19080 for ; Tue, 20 Feb 2001 16:06:58 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id QAA26465 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Tue, 20 Feb 2001 16:06:50 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id QAA26440 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Tue, 20 Feb 2001 16:06:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from postal.interaccess.com (from.interaccess.com [207.208.131.20]) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id QAA26400 for ; Tue, 20 Feb 2001 16:06:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from [192.168.1.118] (a10.240.208.207.ded25.interaccess.com [207.208.240.10]) by postal.interaccess.com (8.10.2/8.10.2) with ESMTP id f1KL6r111243 for ; Tue, 20 Feb 2001 15:06:53 -0600 (CST) User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 15:06:13 -0600 Subject: Re: AppleVolumes.system From: "Bruce A. Burdick, Jr." To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit type creator TEXT DmWr And here's the contents of a DreamWeaver Extensions.txt file: HTM,HTML,ASP,CFM,CFML,TXT,SHTM,SHTML,STM,INC,PHP,PHP3,LASSO,XML:All Documents HTM,HTML:HTML Documents SHTM,SHTML,STM,INC:Server-Side Includes XML:XML Files LBI:Library Files DWT:Template Files CSS:Style Sheets ASP:Active Server Pages CFM,CFML:Cold Fusion Templates TXT:Text Files PHP,PHP3:PHP Files LASSO:Lasso Files It's extensible, so you'll want to keep on top of what your users are using. -B... > From: Walt Reed > Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 12:09:13 -0800 > To: netatalk-admins@umich.edu > Subject: AppleVolumes.system > Resent-From: netatalk-admins@umich.edu > Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 15:13:51 -0500 (EST) > > does anyone have the extention, type and creator codes for > dreamweaver? i have a friend running netatalk on a solaris box & his > users are having trouble w/ sharing the dreamweaver files. i'd like > to write him a line for the AppleVolumes.system file, but we don't > run dreamweaver here and when i asked him to look them up in the file > exchange control panel on the mac he wasn't able to do it (windows > guy who's trying to get a handle on unix). does anyone have the line > in their AppleVolumes.system? > > thanks in advance, > > walt reed > systems administrator > terrascope > From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Tue Feb 20 18:05:37 2001 Return-Path: Received: from easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.26]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id SAA24591 for ; Tue, 20 Feb 2001 18:05:37 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id SAA29390 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Tue, 20 Feb 2001 18:05:37 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id SAA29366 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Tue, 20 Feb 2001 18:05:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from austin-jump.vircio.com ([216.30.106.234]) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with SMTP id SAA29249 for ; Tue, 20 Feb 2001 18:05:32 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 5888 invoked by uid 104); 20 Feb 2001 23:05:31 -0000 Received: from cwg-dated-31581d2f1b515f68@deepeddy.com by austin-jump.vircio.com with qmail-scanner-0.90 (uvscan: v4.0.50/v4115. . Clean. Processed in 0.291106 secs); 20/02/2001 17:05:31 Received: from deepeddy-austin.deepeddy.com (HELO deepeddy.vircio.com) ([10.254.254.253]) (envelope-sender ) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 20 Feb 2001 23:05:31 -0000 Received: (qmail 854 invoked by alias); 20 Feb 2001 23:05:30 -0000 From: "Chris Garrigues" Received: (qmail 827 invoked from network); 20 Feb 2001 23:05:29 -0000 Received: from deepeddy.vircio.com (HELO deepeddy.com) (cwg@[10.1.2.1]) (envelope-sender ) by deepeddy.vircio.com (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 20 Feb 2001 23:05:29 -0000 X-Mailer: exmh version 2.2_20000822 06/23/2000 with nmh-1.0.4 To: Bob Rogers Cc: netatalk-admins@umich.edu Subject: Re: Wrapping MIME around an appledouble file In-Reply-To: <14989.24215.245217.659577@h0050da615e79.ne.mediaone.net> References: <2195.982256845@deepeddy.com> <14989.24215.245217.659577@h0050da615e79.ne.mediaone.net> X-Url: http://www.DeepEddy.Com/~cwg X-Image-Url: http://www.DeepEddy.Com/~cwg/chris.gif Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="==_Exmh_276091059P"; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 17:05:29 -0600 Message-ID: <823.982710329@deepeddy.com> Mail-Reply-To: cwg-dated-31581d2f1b515f68@DeepEddy.Com --==_Exmh_276091059P Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > From: Bob Rogers > Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 12:08:39 -0500 > > From: "Chris Garrigues" > Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 11:07:25 -0600 > > I need to grab a file saved on a server using netatalk from a perl CGI and > transmit it to the user. > > So far, all my attempts do is to crash netscape with an error of type > 3. This makes it kinda hard to debug. > > Has anybody done this? Is there anything special I have to do to the data? > > My guess is that the .AppleDouble part is blowing Netscape's poor little > mind, since it is actually binary data rather than 8-bit text. I would > try sending it using base64 encoding; you can pipe it through the > attached helper app, courtesy of the vm mail reader (version 6.89, > (http://www.wonderworks.com/vm). > > Deciding how to encode the data fork might be trickier . . . base64 > should be sufficient, though probably overkill in many cases. > > And then there's the problem of saving these properly on the > receiving end. Has anybody ever heard of a MIME standard for Mac files? > Failing that, you might want to try sending a Mac file from a Mac, and > see how Netscape (or whatever) encodes the data fork (if at all). If it > does, and the format is not too hard to generate, that might be a better > solution. Nice thought, but it turns out that HTTP explicitly does not support content-transfer-encoding and assumes 8 bit data. When I changed it to base64, the mac browser simply froze. When I tried to transfer an ordinary file with a content-transfer-encoding: base64 to my unix box, it simply ignored the content-transfer-encoding as one would expect from what I said above. So, I'm still stuck at the same point. Any other theories why Nutscrape doesn't like what I'm doing. I'm beginning to wonder if multipart/appledouble is even supported at all. Do any of the Mac based web servers allow the download of mac files, and if so what mime type do they use? How would i convert these two parts into an applesingle file so I could try sending them that way. Chris -- Chris Garrigues http://www.DeepEddy.Com/~cwg/ virCIO http://www.virCIO.Com 4314 Avenue C Austin, TX 78751-3709 +1 512 374 0500 My email address is an experiment in SPAM elimination. For an explanation of what we're doing, see http://www.DeepEddy.Com/tms.html Nobody ever got fired for buying Microsoft, but they could get fired for relying on Microsoft. --==_Exmh_276091059P Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.4 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Exmh version 2.2_20000822 06/23/2000 iD8DBQE6kvg5K9b4h5R0IUIRApqkAJ44qn6M0mZn94dLcFqkcDpVNmbZ3wCeOz4t Zahn26kFz/Djz3mn87HL/Rk= =1seo -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --==_Exmh_276091059P-- From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Tue Feb 20 18:41:35 2001 Return-Path: Received: from easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.26]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id SAA25883 for ; Tue, 20 Feb 2001 18:41:35 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id SAA24290 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Tue, 20 Feb 2001 18:41:35 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id SAA24268 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Tue, 20 Feb 2001 18:41:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from clavin2.unet.brandeis.edu (clavin2.unet.brandeis.edu [129.64.99.33]) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id SAA24234 for ; Tue, 20 Feb 2001 18:41:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from brandeis.edu (h00a04b0c2aa5.ne.mediaone.net [24.218.255.161]) by clavin2.unet.brandeis.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/UNet1.9) with ESMTP id SAA05722 for ; Tue, 20 Feb 2001 18:41:32 -0500 Sender: karelsf@brandeis.edu Message-ID: <3A93012E.4E9C8AE6@brandeis.edu> Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 18:43:42 -0500 From: Steven Karel Reply-To: karelsf@brandeis.edu Organization: Brandeis University X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.1 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: netatalk-admins@umich.edu Subject: Re: Wrapping MIME around an appledouble file References: <2195.982256845@deepeddy.com> <14989.24215.245217.659577@h0050da615e79.ne.mediaone.net> <823.982710329@deepeddy.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Why not just have perl call macbinary (part of the netatalk package) and then transmit the resulting file? macbinary somefile then return somefile.bin This is the standard thing that Mac FTP clients do. see man macbinary steven Chris Garrigues wrote: > > > From: Bob Rogers > > Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 12:08:39 -0500 > > > > From: "Chris Garrigues" > > Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 11:07:25 -0600 > > > > I need to grab a file saved on a server using netatalk from a perl CGI and > > transmit it to the user. > > > > So far, all my attempts do is to crash netscape with an error of type > > 3. This makes it kinda hard to debug. > > > > Has anybody done this? Is there anything special I have to do to the data? > > > > My guess is that the .AppleDouble part is blowing Netscape's poor little > > mind, since it is actually binary data rather than 8-bit text. I would > > try sending it using base64 encoding; you can pipe it through the > > attached helper app, courtesy of the vm mail reader (version 6.89, > > (http://www.wonderworks.com/vm). > > > > Deciding how to encode the data fork might be trickier . . . base64 > > should be sufficient, though probably overkill in many cases. > > > > And then there's the problem of saving these properly on the > > receiving end. Has anybody ever heard of a MIME standard for Mac files? > > Failing that, you might want to try sending a Mac file from a Mac, and > > see how Netscape (or whatever) encodes the data fork (if at all). If it > > does, and the format is not too hard to generate, that might be a better > > solution. > > Nice thought, but it turns out that HTTP explicitly does not support > content-transfer-encoding and assumes 8 bit data. When I changed it to > base64, the mac browser simply froze. > > When I tried to transfer an ordinary file with a content-transfer-encoding: > base64 to my unix box, it simply ignored the content-transfer-encoding as one > would expect from what I said above. > > So, I'm still stuck at the same point. Any other theories why Nutscrape > doesn't like what I'm doing. > > I'm beginning to wonder if multipart/appledouble is even supported at all. Do > any of the Mac based web servers allow the download of mac files, and if so > what mime type do they use? > > How would i convert these two parts into an applesingle file so I could try > sending them that way. > From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Wed Feb 21 04:52:30 2001 Return-Path: Received: from kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.25]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id EAA06628 for ; Wed, 21 Feb 2001 04:52:30 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id EAA00342 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Wed, 21 Feb 2001 04:52:29 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id EAA00330 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Wed, 21 Feb 2001 04:52:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from specialreserve.net (www3.reserve.co.uk [195.216.17.3]) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id EAA00306 for ; Wed, 21 Feb 2001 04:52:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from [192.168.1.57] (195.216.17.40) by specialreserve.net with ESMTP (Eudora Internet Mail Server 2.2.2); Wed, 21 Feb 2001 09:52:29 +0000 User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 09:52:21 +0000 Subject: Re: Warning at Startup From: Basil Hussain To: , Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <852569F9.006F1AEA.00@Beethoven.condenast.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Organization: Inter-Mediates Ltd. Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Hi, > I recently installed version 1.5pre3 and it seems to be working OK. However, > when I boot up my machine (Red Hat 7.0) I get an warning (perhaps error) > "kmem-grow: called nonatomically from init - size -32" > this message appears multiple times and finally I get the [OK] and then > everything appears to be working fine? I have experienced just the same thing. I bet you're running kernel 2.2.16-22 - if so, the blame lies solely at the feet of the AppleTalk kernel module (AppleTalk.o), which contains a slight programming mistake. It's nothing to do with Netatalk. If you read the bug report I filed with RedHat, it'll explain further: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=25379 In particular, check the link to the kernel development mailing list thread. That shows the precise problem (and a patch). RedHat have recently brought out a new kernel package (2.2.17) that may solve the problem, but no-one there has confirmed this to me yet. > any idea what this is, and should i be worried? I wouldn't worry about it. My servers have been running with this warning for over a month now, with no adverse effects. No crashes, hangups, etc. - nothing. Regards, ------------------------------------------------ Basil Hussain (basil.hussain@specialreserve.net) From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Wed Feb 21 04:59:28 2001 Return-Path: Received: from easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.26]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id EAA06705 for ; Wed, 21 Feb 2001 04:59:27 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id EAA02077 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Wed, 21 Feb 2001 04:59:27 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id EAA02063 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Wed, 21 Feb 2001 04:59:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from mhp_nt1.hopkins.co.uk (mailgate.hopkins.co.uk [194.159.148.2]) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id EAA02000 for ; Wed, 21 Feb 2001 04:59:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from 194.159.148.247 (no-dns-yet.demon.co.uk [194.159.148.247]) by mhp_nt1.hopkins.co.uk with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2448.0) id FBW180NT; Wed, 21 Feb 2001 09:57:49 -0000 Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 09:53:37 +0000 From: Rory Campbell-Lange Subject: Re: Netatalk ok, reliable for large no of users? To: Ryan McBeth cc: netatalk-admins@umich.edu X-Priority: 3 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20010221100049-r01010600-400b02ed@194.159.148.247> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; Charset=US-ASCII X-Mailer: Mailsmith 1.1.6 (Bluto) Hi Ryan Thanks for your valuable comment. I suppose my main concern presently has to do with AoIP versus plain Appletalk. If netatalk gives us the ability to do AoIP (which NT4 doesn't) and this has some significant speed increases, we'd be pretty interested. How many people use the netatalk serving in your environment? Cheers; Rory On 20/2/01, ryan@mobiusnm.com (Ryan McBeth) wrote: > I hate to put on a flame-proof suit, but I might stay with NT > in your situation. As a web publishing house, we need the > virtual-hosting capabilities of Linux and Apache. Netatalk allows > our artists to archive and publish right to the Apache server, things > that we can't really do with IIS/NT. However, if NT is working for > you now, maybe you should stick with it. > You'll never find a more pro-linux person than me, but if NT is > working, and working well in your situation, it might be better to > get a second NT machine, network mount the drive through the first > machine, and keep on working. -- Rory Campbell-Lange The Campbell-Lange Workshop London From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Wed Feb 21 04:59:28 2001 Return-Path: Received: from easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.26]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id EAA06707 for ; Wed, 21 Feb 2001 04:59:28 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id EAA02078 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Wed, 21 Feb 2001 04:59:28 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id EAA02060 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Wed, 21 Feb 2001 04:59:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from mhp_nt1.hopkins.co.uk (mailgate.hopkins.co.uk [194.159.148.2]) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id EAA02009 for ; Wed, 21 Feb 2001 04:59:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from 194.159.148.247 (no-dns-yet.demon.co.uk [194.159.148.247]) by mhp_nt1.hopkins.co.uk with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2448.0) id FBW180NV; Wed, 21 Feb 2001 09:57:49 -0000 Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 09:54:30 +0000 From: Rory Campbell-Lange Subject: Re: Netatalk ok, reliable for large no of users? To: Matthew Keller cc: netatalk-admins@umich.edu X-Priority: 3 In-Reply-To: <3A92BA7F.EDF9F986@potsdam.edu> Message-ID: <20010221100051-r01010600-67478dfb@194.159.148.247> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; Charset=US-ASCII X-Mailer: Mailsmith 1.1.6 (Bluto) On 20/2/01, kellermg@potsdam.edu (Matthew Keller) wrote: > Rory Campbell-Lange wrote: > > Is netatalk/Linux a viable alternative to NT4/Windows 2000 for > > file serving for about 120 Mac users? > > Piece of cake- Just don't be skimpy on the fast disks or RAM. :) One > possible problem (but not always): If multiple users have the same > exact file open on a Netalk server- Depending how the program deals > with locking, you may get file corruption problems. This is easily > tested by, quite simply, throwing such a file on a Netatalk server, > and have a couple people do whatever it is they do at the same time, > and see what breaks (or doesn't). Thanks for the note, Matthew How many users use netatalk in your environment? Cheers; Rory -- Rory Campbell-Lange The Campbell-Lange Workshop London From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Wed Feb 21 08:08:15 2001 Return-Path: Received: from easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.26]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id IAA09434 for ; Wed, 21 Feb 2001 08:08:14 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id IAA08249 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Wed, 21 Feb 2001 08:08:14 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id IAA08215 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Wed, 21 Feb 2001 08:08:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from univrel.pr.uconn.edu (univrel.pr.uconn.edu [137.99.59.30]) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id IAA08177 for ; Wed, 21 Feb 2001 08:08:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from univrel.pr.uconn.edu (root@test.pr.uconn.edu [137.99.59.90]) by univrel.pr.uconn.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id IAA12466; Wed, 21 Feb 2001 08:08:10 -0500 Sender: root@univrel.pr.uconn.edu Message-ID: <3A93BD37.142CBA20@univrel.pr.uconn.edu> Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 08:05:59 -0500 From: jeff X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.0-0.14mdk i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Bruce A. Burdick, Jr." CC: netatalk-admins@umich.edu Subject: Re: AppleVolumes.system References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit "Bruce A. Burdick, Jr." wrote: > > type creator > TEXT DmWr > > And here's the contents of a DreamWeaver Extensions.txt file: > > HTM,HTML,ASP,CFM,CFML,TXT,SHTM,SHTML,STM,INC,PHP,PHP3,LASSO,XML:All > Documents > HTM,HTML:HTML Documents > SHTM,SHTML,STM,INC:Server-Side Includes > XML:XML Files > LBI:Library Files > DWT:Template Files > CSS:Style Sheets > ASP:Active Server Pages > CFM,CFML:Cold Fusion Templates > TXT:Text Files > PHP,PHP3:PHP Files > LASSO:Lasso Files I just added the .dwt extension with type/creator association to AppleVolumes.system in the CVS tree, since it is the only extension that is not used for any other application, so far as I know, anyway. jeff From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Wed Feb 21 08:21:44 2001 Return-Path: Received: from easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.26]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id IAA09735 for ; Wed, 21 Feb 2001 08:21:44 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id IAA00765 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Wed, 21 Feb 2001 08:21:44 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id IAA00747 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Wed, 21 Feb 2001 08:21:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from woj.com (brilliantmovies.com [64.69.72.50]) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id IAA00699 for ; Wed, 21 Feb 2001 08:21:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from [10.0.1.32] (00-30-65-2e-60-6b.bconnected.net [209.53.45.201]) by woj.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA09621 for ; Wed, 21 Feb 2001 05:22:41 -0800 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/9.0.2509 Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 05:21:04 -0800 Subject: server_child exit From: Ian Wojtowicz To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit My netatalk session closes down unexpectedly whenever I try reading or transferring files. The /var/log/messages file indicates the following: Feb 21 01:00:31 home afpd[8749]: 66.00KB read, 200.70KB written Feb 21 01:00:31 home afpd[7147]: server_child[1] 8749 exited 1 Any ideas? Could this be a DNS issue of some kind? ___________________________________________________________________________ ian wojtowicz http://woj.com From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Wed Feb 21 09:22:34 2001 Return-Path: Received: from easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.26]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id JAA10938 for ; Wed, 21 Feb 2001 09:22:34 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id JAA10291 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Wed, 21 Feb 2001 09:22:34 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id JAA10258 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Wed, 21 Feb 2001 09:22:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from potsdam.edu (potsdam.edu [137.143.110.101]) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with SMTP id JAA10222 for ; Wed, 21 Feb 2001 09:22:32 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 18721 invoked by alias); 21 Feb 2001 14:22:39 -0000 Received: (qmail 18707 invoked by uid 0); 21 Feb 2001 14:22:38 -0000 Received: from comp10574.potsdam.edu (HELO potsdam.edu) (137.143.111.133) by potsdam.edu with SMTP; 21 Feb 2001 14:22:38 -0000 Message-ID: <3A93CFB1.9BC3BC35@potsdam.edu> Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 09:24:49 -0500 From: Matthew Keller X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Rory Campbell-Lange , Netatalk Admins Subject: Re: Netatalk ok, reliable for large no of users? References: <20010221100051-r01010600-67478dfb@194.159.148.247> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Rory Campbell-Lange wrote: > Thanks for the note, Matthew > > How many users use netatalk in your environment? Varies- Here at the college we have as many as 220 simultaneous Netatalk sessions to an aging box that is slated for replacement very soon (it originally served about 10 simultaneous Netatalk sessions). This box also runs Samba to share the same folders up for Windows users. I have a client who make much more robust use of Netatalk- They have about 450 concurrent Netatalk sessions to their cluster (4 nodes, ASIP (AoIP) only). They toss around gigabyte files over gig ethernet like they were candy (DV Production/PostProduction and CG movie shorts). I have several other clients who use Netatalk less than the college does as far as simultaneous session. -- Matthew Keller WebMaster, Interim Network Manager & Host Systems Analyst Computing & Technology Services Information Services Division State University of New York at Potsdam Website: http://mattwork.potsdam.edu/ PGP: http://mattwork.potsdam.edu/crypto/ From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Wed Feb 21 10:24:32 2001 Return-Path: Received: from easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.26]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id KAA12436 for ; Wed, 21 Feb 2001 10:24:32 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id KAA23201 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Wed, 21 Feb 2001 10:24:32 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id KAA23159 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Wed, 21 Feb 2001 10:24:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from austin-jump.vircio.com ([216.30.106.234]) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with SMTP id KAA23100 for ; Wed, 21 Feb 2001 10:24:28 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 31627 invoked by uid 104); 21 Feb 2001 15:24:28 -0000 Received: from cwg-dated-ed508a7ccda70071@deepeddy.com by austin-jump.vircio.com with qmail-scanner-0.90 (uvscan: v4.0.50/v4115. . Clean. Processed in 0.625027 secs); 21/02/2001 09:24:27 Received: from deepeddy-austin.deepeddy.com (HELO deepeddy.vircio.com) ([10.254.254.253]) (envelope-sender ) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 21 Feb 2001 15:24:27 -0000 Received: (qmail 18363 invoked by alias); 21 Feb 2001 15:24:26 -0000 From: "Chris Garrigues" Received: (qmail 18342 invoked from network); 21 Feb 2001 15:24:26 -0000 Received: from deepeddy.vircio.com (HELO deepeddy.com) (cwg@[10.1.2.1]) (envelope-sender ) by deepeddy.vircio.com (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 21 Feb 2001 15:24:26 -0000 X-Mailer: exmh version 2.2_20000822 06/23/2000 with nmh-1.0.4 To: karelsf@brandeis.edu Cc: netatalk-admins@umich.edu Subject: Re: Wrapping MIME around an appledouble file In-Reply-To: <3A93012E.4E9C8AE6@brandeis.edu> References: <2195.982256845@deepeddy.com> <14989.24215.245217.659577@h0050da615e79.ne.mediaone.net> <823.982710329@deepeddy.com> <3A93012E.4E9C8AE6@brandeis.edu> X-Url: http://www.DeepEddy.Com/~cwg X-Image-Url: http://www.DeepEddy.Com/~cwg/chris.gif Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="==_Exmh_-449148757P"; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 09:24:25 -0600 Message-ID: <18338.982769065@deepeddy.com> Mail-Reply-To: cwg-dated-ed508a7ccda70071@DeepEddy.Com --==_Exmh_-449148757P Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > From: Steven Karel > Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 18:43:42 -0500 > > Why not just have perl call macbinary (part of the netatalk package) and > then transmit the resulting file? > > macbinary somefile > then return somefile.bin > > This is the standard thing that Mac FTP clients do. > > see > > man macbinary That worked. Thanks. Annoyingly, the RPM didn't include the macbinary alias. Also, it would have been nice if macbinary could have sent it's output to stdout, but anyway, my problem is solved. Chris -- Chris Garrigues http://www.DeepEddy.Com/~cwg/ virCIO http://www.virCIO.Com 4314 Avenue C Austin, TX 78751-3709 +1 512 374 0500 My email address is an experiment in SPAM elimination. For an explanation of what we're doing, see http://www.DeepEddy.Com/tms.html Nobody ever got fired for buying Microsoft, but they could get fired for relying on Microsoft. --==_Exmh_-449148757P Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.4 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Exmh version 2.2_20000822 06/23/2000 iD8DBQE6k92pK9b4h5R0IUIRAjdMAJ9WvYOzwy7IPOt8tMXNON7+Pi2BkwCfdgQF 4mlAW3MGIvE+QUUjto8Q9dI= =J6yb -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --==_Exmh_-449148757P-- From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Wed Feb 21 11:04:12 2001 Return-Path: Received: from easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.26]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id LAA13858 for ; Wed, 21 Feb 2001 11:04:12 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id LAA28910 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Wed, 21 Feb 2001 11:04:11 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id LAA28882 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Wed, 21 Feb 2001 11:04:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from rgrjr.dyndns.org (h0050da615e79.ne.mediaone.net [24.218.161.12]) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with SMTP id LAA28718 for ; Wed, 21 Feb 2001 11:04:04 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 8435 invoked by uid 500); 21 Feb 2001 16:03:53 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <14995.59111.898580.495649@h0050da615e79.ne.mediaone.net> Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 11:03:51 -0500 From: Bob Rogers To: Basil Hussain , Cc: Subject: Re: Warning at Startup In-Reply-To: References: <852569F9.006F1AEA.00@Beethoven.condenast.com> X-Mailer: VM 6.89 under Emacs 20.7.1 From: Basil Hussain Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 09:52:21 +0000 I have experienced just the same thing. I bet you're running kernel 2.2.16-22 - if so, the blame lies solely at the feet of the AppleTalk kernel module (AppleTalk.o), which contains a slight programming mistake. It's nothing to do with Netatalk. If you read the bug report I filed with RedHat, it'll explain further: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=25379 In particular, check the link to the kernel development mailing list thread. That shows the precise problem (and a patch). RedHat have recently brought out a new kernel package (2.2.17) that may solve the problem, but no-one there has confirmed this to me yet. I didn't see this "kmem-grow: called nonatomically" thing when I installed the Red Hat 2.2.17 upgrade recently. But then, I never saw it on 2.2.16 (but I was running 2.2.16-3, so that may have been before the bug was introduced). -- Bob Rogers From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Wed Feb 21 11:08:36 2001 Return-Path: Received: from funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.27]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id LAA14116 for ; Wed, 21 Feb 2001 11:08:36 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id LAA02924 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Wed, 21 Feb 2001 11:08:30 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id LAA02901 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Wed, 21 Feb 2001 11:08:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from rgrjr.dyndns.org (h0050da615e79.ne.mediaone.net [24.218.161.12]) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with SMTP id LAA02762 for ; Wed, 21 Feb 2001 11:08:24 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 8456 invoked by uid 500); 21 Feb 2001 16:08:28 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <14995.59388.601650.965430@h0050da615e79.ne.mediaone.net> Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 11:08:28 -0500 From: Bob Rogers To: "Chris Garrigues" Cc: netatalk-admins@umich.edu Subject: Re: Wrapping MIME around an appledouble file In-Reply-To: <823.982710329@deepeddy.com> References: <2195.982256845@deepeddy.com> <14989.24215.245217.659577@h0050da615e79.ne.mediaone.net> <823.982710329@deepeddy.com> X-Mailer: VM 6.89 under Emacs 20.7.1 From: "Chris Garrigues" Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 17:05:29 -0600 Nice thought, but it turns out that HTTP explicitly does not support content-transfer-encoding and assumes 8 bit data . . . Oops; I assumed you were mailing it (though you did say "CGI"). Glad to hear the other technique worked out. -- Bob From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Wed Feb 21 11:29:47 2001 Return-Path: Received: from easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.26]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id LAA15119 for ; Wed, 21 Feb 2001 11:29:47 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id LAA11401 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Wed, 21 Feb 2001 11:29:47 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id LAA11374 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Wed, 21 Feb 2001 11:29:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from mailbox2.ucsd.edu (mailbox2.ucsd.edu [132.239.1.54]) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id LAA11309 for ; Wed, 21 Feb 2001 11:29:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp.ucsd.edu (smtp.ucsd.edu [132.239.1.49]) by mailbox2.ucsd.edu (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f1LGU6K16177 for ; Wed, 21 Feb 2001 08:30:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from gghosh.ucsd.edu (cheghosh6.ucsd.edu [132.239.156.73]) by smtp.ucsd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA07426 for ; Wed, 21 Feb 2001 08:29:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from [132.239.156.79] (account ) by gghosh.ucsd.edu (CommuniGate Pro WebUser 3.3) with HTTP id 220178 for ; Wed, 21 Feb 2001 08:36:22 -0800 From: "Devin Lee Drew" Subject: chown -1/0 To: netatalk-admins@umich.edu X-Mailer: CommuniGate Pro Web Mailer v.3.3 Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 08:36:22 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Greetings, Things seem to be working fine, but syslog records the following message exactly 2 seconds after a user successfully logs in. Im running 1.5b3 on rh7.0 with updates. Any ideas? I saw some mention of this in November, but no resolution was offered. It was stated in that thread that chown -1/0 was rather strange thing to see. afpd[pid]: setdirowner: chown -1/0 .AppleDouble/.Parent: Operation not permitted I use a umask of 002, all users are in the same group, and users access both their home directories #stat username Access: (0700/drwx------) and a public domain volume #stat public-domain Access: (2770/drwxrws---) any help is much appreciated, Devin From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Wed Feb 21 11:46:31 2001 Return-Path: Received: from funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.27]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id LAA15539 for ; Wed, 21 Feb 2001 11:46:31 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id LAA01867 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Wed, 21 Feb 2001 11:46:25 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id LAA01765 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Wed, 21 Feb 2001 11:46:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from tbsun.text-bild.de (fuerth.dvs.org [212.114.66.66] (may be forged)) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id LAA01681 for ; Wed, 21 Feb 2001 11:46:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from text-bild.de ([192.168.100.31]) by tbsun.text-bild.de (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 127-57510U100L2S100V35) with ESMTP id de; Wed, 21 Feb 2001 17:52:14 +0100 Message-ID: <3A93F0CE.9F599173@text-bild.de> Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 17:46:06 +0100 From: anatol.ulrich@text-bild.de (Anatol Ulrich) Reply-To: Anatol.Ulrich@text-bild.de Organization: Text & Bild GmbH X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: karelsf@brandeis.edu CC: netatalk-admins@umich.edu Subject: Re: netatalk does not like me anymore References: <3A8CF1BB.94904298@text-bild.de> <3A8D8F86.C8BC1DF0@brandeis.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi Karel, SF Karel wrote: > You don't say what platform you're running on (I'd guess linux, but what distro?) it“s SuSE 6.4 (got PAM support) > > Odds are that you don't want to compile with shadow support, just use > PAM if the distribution uses it. i“ll try that, thanks. .anatol From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Wed Feb 21 12:35:44 2001 Return-Path: Received: from funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.27]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id MAA17365 for ; Wed, 21 Feb 2001 12:35:44 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id MAA19329 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Wed, 21 Feb 2001 12:35:38 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id MAA19313 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Wed, 21 Feb 2001 12:35:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from specialreserve.net (www3.reserve.co.uk [195.216.17.3]) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id MAA19266 for ; Wed, 21 Feb 2001 12:35:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from [192.168.1.57] (195.216.17.40) by specialreserve.net with ESMTP (Eudora Internet Mail Server 2.2.2); Wed, 21 Feb 2001 17:35:47 +0000 User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 17:35:38 +0000 Subject: Re: Warning at Startup From: Basil Hussain To: Bob Rogers CC: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <14995.59111.898580.495649@h0050da615e79.ne.mediaone.net> Mime-version: 1.0 Organization: Inter-Mediates Ltd. Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Hi, > I didn't see this "kmem-grow: called nonatomically" thing when I > installed the Red Hat 2.2.17 upgrade recently. But then, I never saw it > on 2.2.16 (but I was running 2.2.16-3, so that may have been before the > bug was introduced). Could you test to confirm this? If you can find a convenient moment to perform the procedure in my bug report to check (see URL below), that'd be a great help! https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=25379 Basically, just stop Netatalk, remove the AppleTalk module from the kernel, re-insert it and re-start Netatalk. The warning only occurs upon loading of the kernel module, y'see. BTW, have you experienced any troubles at all with the 2.2.17 kernel? I want to upgrade my servers if it cures the small Netatalk problem, but I'm slightly suspicious as to it's quality - aren't odd-numbered kernel releases supposed to be testing releases? Or is it just the secondary version number? Regards, ------------------------------------------------ Basil Hussain (basil.hussain@specialreserve.net) From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Wed Feb 21 13:06:17 2001 Return-Path: Received: from kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.25]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id NAA18050 for ; Wed, 21 Feb 2001 13:06:17 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id NAA23474 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Wed, 21 Feb 2001 13:06:17 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id NAA23452 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Wed, 21 Feb 2001 13:06:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from rgrjr.dyndns.org (h0050da615e79.ne.mediaone.net [24.218.161.12]) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with SMTP id NAA23420 for ; Wed, 21 Feb 2001 13:06:15 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 8604 invoked by uid 500); 21 Feb 2001 18:06:07 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <14996.910.776093.813466@h0050da615e79.ne.mediaone.net> Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 13:06:06 -0500 From: Bob Rogers To: Basil Hussain Cc: Subject: Re: Warning at Startup In-Reply-To: References: <14995.59111.898580.495649@h0050da615e79.ne.mediaone.net> X-Mailer: VM 6.89 under Emacs 20.7.1 From: Basil Hussain Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 17:35:38 +0000 Hi, > I didn't see this "kmem-grow: called nonatomically" thing when I > installed the Red Hat 2.2.17 upgrade recently. But then, I never saw it > on 2.2.16 (but I was running 2.2.16-3, so that may have been before the > bug was introduced). Could you test to confirm this? If you can find a convenient moment to perform the procedure in my bug report to check (see URL below), that'd be a great help! https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=25379 Basically, just stop Netatalk, remove the AppleTalk module from the kernel, re-insert it and re-start Netatalk. The warning only occurs upon loading of the kernel module, y'see. Just tried it; it comes back up without the error. (Though if loading the module is all that is necessary to trigger this, then rebooting after the kernel upgrade should have been a sufficient test.) BTW, have you experienced any troubles at all with the 2.2.17 kernel? I want to upgrade my servers if it cures the small Netatalk problem, but I'm slightly suspicious as to it's quality - aren't odd-numbered kernel releases supposed to be testing releases? Or is it just the secondary version number? Just the second number; the third number is to distinguish different 2.2.x (or whatever) releases, and just defines the sequence. -- Bob From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Wed Feb 21 13:16:41 2001 Return-Path: Received: from kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.25]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id NAA18362 for ; Wed, 21 Feb 2001 13:16:41 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id NAA09026 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Wed, 21 Feb 2001 13:16:41 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id NAA08999 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Wed, 21 Feb 2001 13:16:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from tsmtp6.mail.isp ([195.235.113.141]) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id NAA08963 for ; Wed, 21 Feb 2001 13:16:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from macserver ([213.96.54.28]) by tsmtp6.mail.isp (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with SMTP id G94DBH06.RR0 for ; Wed, 21 Feb 2001 19:14:05 +0100 Message-ID: <002b01c09c32$0c360aa0$1a00a8c0@macserver> From: "Jesus" To: Subject: Problems in spanish characters exchange Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 19:13:48 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0028_01C09C3A.6B9113C0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0028_01C09C3A.6B9113C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Greetings, We are running a new Linux box for experimenting with it as an = Netatalk server for files exchange between an Apple network and the PC = side, through SAMBA. Though, we are experimenting some strange errors = when sharing files with accented letters and with spanish-specyfical = symbols / letters, like "=F1" and "=E7" . Might it be a misconfiguration = or are we skipping any option in the Apple//Linux/Windows side?=20 Any ideas? Help, please ! :) Thank you very much in advance. Daniel ------=_NextPart_000_0028_01C09C3A.6B9113C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Greetings,
 
 
    We are running a new = Linux box=20 for experimenting with it as an Netatalk server for files exchange = between an=20 Apple network and the PC side, through SAMBA. Though, we are = experimenting some=20 strange errors when sharing files with accented letters and with=20 spanish-specyfical symbols / letters, like "=F1" and "=E7" . Might it be = a=20 misconfiguration or are we skipping any option in the = Apple//Linux/Windows side?=20
 
Any ideas? Help, please ! = :)
 
 
Thank you very much in = advance.
 
 
Daniel
------=_NextPart_000_0028_01C09C3A.6B9113C0-- From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Wed Feb 21 13:28:02 2001 Return-Path: Received: from funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.27]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id NAA18644 for ; Wed, 21 Feb 2001 13:28:02 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id NAA12431 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Wed, 21 Feb 2001 13:27:55 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id NAA12406 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Wed, 21 Feb 2001 13:27:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from amersham.mail.uk.easynet.net (amersham.mail.uk.easynet.net [195.40.1.45]) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id NAA12173 for ; Wed, 21 Feb 2001 13:27:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from fe.int.nan.co.uk (mail.network-analysis.ltd.uk [212.135.212.98]) by amersham.mail.uk.easynet.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DDE84178EC for ; Wed, 21 Feb 2001 18:27:47 +0000 (GMT) Received: by mailhost.network-analysis.ltd.uk (sendmail 8.11.2) with ESMTP id f1LISAa32387; Wed, 21 Feb 2001 18:28:10 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: sw@mailhost.int.nan.co.uk Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <14996.910.776093.813466@h0050da615e79.ne.mediaone.net> References: <14995.59111.898580.495649@h0050da615e79.ne.mediaone.net> <14996.910.776093.813466@h0050da615e79.ne.mediaone.net> X-Mailer: Eudora Pro 4.3 Organization: Network Analysis Ltd Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 18:28:09 +0000 To: netatalk-admins@umich.edu From: Sak Wathanasin Subject: Re: Warning at Startup Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" In reply to Bob Rogers's message of the 21/02/2001 at 13:06 -0500, >Just the second number; the third number is to distinguish different >2.2.x (or whatever) releases, and just defines the sequence. Besides, 2.2.18 has been out for a while... -- Sak Wathanasin Network Analysis Limited 178 Wainbody Ave South, Coventry CV3 6BX, UK Internet: sw@network-analysis.ltd.uk Phone: (+44) 24 76 41 99 96 Mobile: (+44) 79 70 75 19 12 Fax: (+44) 24 76 69 06 90 From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Wed Feb 21 14:10:49 2001 Return-Path: Received: from easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.26]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id OAA19663 for ; Wed, 21 Feb 2001 14:10:49 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id OAA01761 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Wed, 21 Feb 2001 14:10:49 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id OAA01733 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Wed, 21 Feb 2001 14:10:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from cnp4tssm.condenast.com (cnp4tssm.condenast.com [204.252.201.5]) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id OAA01683 for ; Wed, 21 Feb 2001 14:10:46 -0500 (EST) From: Steve_Kreuzer@condenast.com Received: from Beethoven.condenast.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by cnp4tssm.condenast.com (Pro-8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id OAA01801 for ; Wed, 21 Feb 2001 14:10:45 -0500 (EST) Received: by Beethoven.condenast.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.5 (863.2 5-20-1999)) id 852569FA.00694723 ; Wed, 21 Feb 2001 14:09:54 -0500 X-Lotus-FromDomain: CNP To: netatalk-admins@umich.edu Message-ID: <852569FA.0069450E.00@Beethoven.condenast.com> Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 14:09:12 -0500 Subject: Access Permissions Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline I have a volume called "Share" that people can connect to via Appletalk. If a person with proper permission to view the folder double clicks on it, it will open, however, someone without the proper permission gets "The folder "Share" could not be opened, because it cannot be found." The permissions on the folder are drwxr-x--- 3 root shareusers when I first started to play with netatalk, if a person didn't have the proper permisison to view the file or folder, it had a belt around it and gave a "you don't have the proper permission to view the file" any ideas -Steve From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Wed Feb 21 21:30:30 2001 Return-Path: Received: from kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.25]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id VAA04165 for ; Wed, 21 Feb 2001 21:30:30 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id VAA11246 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Wed, 21 Feb 2001 21:30:30 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id VAA11226 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Wed, 21 Feb 2001 21:30:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.magicgoeshere.com (NW152-60.indigo.ie [194.125.152.60] (may be forged)) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id VAA11163 for ; Wed, 21 Feb 2001 21:30:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from bagend.local (unknown [194.165.166.175]) by mail.magicgoeshere.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 71E95FA61 for ; Thu, 22 Feb 2001 02:22:53 +0000 (GMT) Received: (from niall@localhost) by bagend.local (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA02158 for netatalk-admins@umich.edu; Thu, 22 Feb 2001 02:30:02 GMT Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 02:30:01 +0000 From: Niall O Broin To: netatalk-admins@umich.edu Subject: Netatalk wire speed Message-ID: <20010222023001.B2126@bagend.local> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i Hi again all, I've been a long time user of netatlk but I haven't been on this list for a while, as netatalk just works for me. But now I have an issue that I'm sure I've seen discussed before but I can't find a reference (probably not looking in the right place) I need to copy about 13GB of files from a Linux box to a G3 Powerbook. The Linux box is running 1.4b2+asun2.1.3 (it's stock SuSE 7) and the Powerbook has mounted the filesystem using TCP (I hope - I entered the server IP address rather than picking it by name from the Chooser so that should do it, no ?). The server has a 3C509 card and is connected to the Powerbook by a crossover cable, and the link lights indicate that 100 MB is active. When I drag the relevant folder to the Powerbook (containing about 18000 files) it trundles away for a while, counting up to the number of files, and then starts copying. The estimated varies as a few files are copied, but it's always around 40 hours. Now cutting corners here and there this equates to an approx. transfer rate of ~ 5MB / minute - this is just a tad below the wire speed of a 100 MB network. Now I know that afp won't really approach wirespeed, even over TCP rather than Appletalk, but even so ~ 5MB / minute seems a bit slow. Anyone have any suggestions ? Kindest regards, Niall O Broin From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Wed Feb 21 21:45:15 2001 Return-Path: Received: from funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.27]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id VAA04409 for ; Wed, 21 Feb 2001 21:45:15 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id VAA18755 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Wed, 21 Feb 2001 21:45:09 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id VAA18738 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Wed, 21 Feb 2001 21:45:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from hobbiton.shire.net (frogmorton.shire.net [204.228.145.136]) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id VAA18558 for ; Wed, 21 Feb 2001 21:45:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from [216.64.45.172] (helo=[192.168.99.123]) by hobbiton.shire.net with esmtp (Exim 2.04 #5) id 14Vljv-000Ljb-00; Wed, 21 Feb 2001 19:44:19 -0700 Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 21:37:09 -0500 From: "Chad Leigh, Objectwerks, Inc." Reply-To: chad@objectwerks.com To: Niall O Broin cc: netatalk-admins@umich.edu Subject: Re: Netatalk wire speed Message-ID: <3538886480.982791429@[192.168.99.123]> In-Reply-To: <20010222023001.B2126@bagend.local> X-Mailer: Mulberry/2.0.5 (Win32) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline In normal usage I have never found MacOS to be a speed demon when copying large numbers of files. Try copying that many files between two disks on the same machine. Chad --On Thursday, February 22, 2001 2:30 AM +0000 Niall O Broin wrote: > Hi again all, > I've been a long time user of netatlk but I haven't been on this > list for a while, as netatalk just works for me. But now I have an issue > that I'm sure I've seen discussed before but I can't find a reference > (probably not looking in the right place) > > I need to copy about 13GB of files from a Linux box to a G3 Powerbook. The > Linux box is running 1.4b2+asun2.1.3 (it's stock SuSE 7) and the Powerbook > has mounted the filesystem using TCP (I hope - I entered the server IP > address rather than picking it by name from the Chooser so that should do > it, no ?). The server has a 3C509 card and is connected to the Powerbook > by a crossover cable, and the link lights indicate that 100 MB is active. > When I drag the relevant folder to the Powerbook (containing about 18000 > files) it trundles away for a while, counting up to the number of files, > and then starts copying. The estimated varies as a few files are copied, > but it's always around 40 hours. Now cutting corners here and there this > equates to an approx. transfer rate of ~ 5MB / minute - this is just a > tad below the wire speed of a 100 MB network. > > Now I know that afp won't really approach wirespeed, even over TCP rather > than Appletalk, but even so ~ 5MB / minute seems a bit slow. Anyone have > any suggestions ? > > > > > Kindest regards, > > > > Niall O Broin > From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Wed Feb 21 23:17:36 2001 Return-Path: Received: from kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.25]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id XAA06394 for ; Wed, 21 Feb 2001 23:17:36 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id XAA24038 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Wed, 21 Feb 2001 23:17:36 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id XAA24015 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Wed, 21 Feb 2001 23:17:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from rembrandt.artnet.net ([216.2.102.8]) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id XAA23912 for ; Wed, 21 Feb 2001 23:17:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from [63.208.236.163] (dialup-63.208.236.163.LosAngeles.Level3.net [63.208.236.163]) by rembrandt.artnet.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA23395 for ; Wed, 21 Feb 2001 20:17:13 -0800 (PST) User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.01 (1630) Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 20:17:17 -0800 Subject: Re: Netatalk wire speed From: Gregg Healy To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <3538886480.982791429@[192.168.99.123]> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit My G4 can sustain over 5mb/sec. Limited I think by the HD in my Linux system but I havent had the money to test it. There must be some kind of cable or incompatibility problem? Even a slow 10/mb connection can do 10mb/min. -- Gregg Healy, President PhotoAd.com, Inc. _________________ 800 471-3737 x140 > From: "Chad Leigh, Objectwerks, Inc." > Reply-To: chad@objectwerks.com > Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 21:37:09 -0500 > To: Niall O Broin > Cc: netatalk-admins@umich.edu > Subject: Re: Netatalk wire speed > Resent-From: netatalk-admins@umich.edu > Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 21:53:23 -0500 (EST) > > In normal usage I have never found MacOS to be a speed demon when copying > large numbers of files. Try copying that many files between two disks on > the same machine. > > Chad > > --On Thursday, February 22, 2001 2:30 AM +0000 Niall O Broin > wrote: > >> Hi again all, >> I've been a long time user of netatlk but I haven't been on this >> list for a while, as netatalk just works for me. But now I have an issue >> that I'm sure I've seen discussed before but I can't find a reference >> (probably not looking in the right place) >> >> I need to copy about 13GB of files from a Linux box to a G3 Powerbook. The >> Linux box is running 1.4b2+asun2.1.3 (it's stock SuSE 7) and the Powerbook >> has mounted the filesystem using TCP (I hope - I entered the server IP >> address rather than picking it by name from the Chooser so that should do >> it, no ?). The server has a 3C509 card and is connected to the Powerbook >> by a crossover cable, and the link lights indicate that 100 MB is active. >> When I drag the relevant folder to the Powerbook (containing about 18000 >> files) it trundles away for a while, counting up to the number of files, >> and then starts copying. The estimated varies as a few files are copied, >> but it's always around 40 hours. Now cutting corners here and there this >> equates to an approx. transfer rate of ~ 5MB / minute - this is just a >> tad below the wire speed of a 100 MB network. >> >> Now I know that afp won't really approach wirespeed, even over TCP rather >> than Appletalk, but even so ~ 5MB / minute seems a bit slow. Anyone have >> any suggestions ? >> >> >> >> >> Kindest regards, >> >> >> >> Niall O Broin >> > > > > > From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Wed Feb 21 23:45:48 2001 Return-Path: Received: from funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.27]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id XAA07165 for ; Wed, 21 Feb 2001 23:45:48 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id XAA18788 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Wed, 21 Feb 2001 23:45:41 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id XAA18754 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Wed, 21 Feb 2001 23:45:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from mta2-rme.xtra.co.nz (mta2-rme.xtra.co.nz [203.96.92.3]) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id XAA18693 for ; Wed, 21 Feb 2001 23:45:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from [192.168.1.248] ([210.54.213.206]) by mta2-rme.xtra.co.nz with ESMTP id <20010222044544.SXJN15770362.mta2-rme.xtra.co.nz@[192.168.1.248]> for ; Thu, 22 Feb 2001 17:45:44 +1300 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: darena6@pop3.xtra.co.nz Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 17:45:40 +1300 To: From: Marcus Radich Subject: Re: Netatalk wire speed Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" We use good hardware (IBM Netfinity 3000, now the e-server x200), and we can sustain a single connection of over 9.5MB/sec (that's megabytes/sec = 100MB copies is about 10 seconds). The hardware benchmarks at 170MB/sec for the motherboard, and the RAID does 50MB/sec. Use hdparm to test your system. It's not a perfect test, but it gives you and rough idea of its potential. /sbin/hdparm -tT /dev/sda (or hda etc) Here are the results from a machine we just integrated into a mac studio: Timing buffer-cache reads: 128 MB in 0.74 seconds =172.97 MB/sec Timing buffered disk reads: 64 MB in 1.13 seconds = 56.64 MB/sec Most operating systems are fairly bad at copying a large number of small files, it's because of the overhead of directory updates etc for each little file. mrad01 -- ======================================================== "Always ask the question, never assume the answer." Marcus Radich 1999 ======================================================== From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Wed Feb 21 23:47:52 2001 Return-Path: Received: from easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.26]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id XAA07313 for ; Wed, 21 Feb 2001 23:47:52 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id XAA07593 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Wed, 21 Feb 2001 23:47:52 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id XAA07549 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Wed, 21 Feb 2001 23:47:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from neuman.interaccess.com (from.interaccess.com [207.208.131.20]) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id XAA07496 for ; Wed, 21 Feb 2001 23:47:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from [192.168.1.118] (a10.240.208.207.ded25.interaccess.com [207.208.240.10]) by neuman.interaccess.com (8.10.2/8.10.2) with ESMTP id f1M4lmD21076 for ; Wed, 21 Feb 2001 22:47:48 -0600 (CST) User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 22:47:05 -0600 Subject: Re: Netatalk wire speed From: "Bruce A. Burdick, Jr." To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20010222023001.B2126@bagend.local> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit > I need to copy about 13GB of files from a Linux box to a G3 Powerbook. The > Linux box is running 1.4b2+asun2.1.3 (it's stock SuSE 7) and the Powerbook > has mounted the filesystem using TCP (I hope - I entered the server IP > address rather than picking it by name from the Chooser so that should do > it, no ?). The server has a 3C509 card and is connected to the Powerbook by > a crossover cable, and the link lights indicate that 100 MB is active. When > I drag the relevant folder to the Powerbook (containing about 18000 files) > it trundles away for a while, counting up to the number of files, and then > starts copying. The estimated varies as a few files are copied, but it's > always around 40 hours. Now cutting corners here and there this equates to > an approx. transfer rate of ~ 5MB / minute - this is just a tad below the > wire speed of a 100 MB network. > > Now I know that afp won't really approach wirespeed, even over TCP rather > than Appletalk, but even so ~ 5MB / minute seems a bit slow. Anyone have > any suggestions ? Just curious are you thinking in these terms: B = byte and b = bit ? Because if you have a 100MB network, I want to come and play! Otherwise, 5MB/minute works out to ~683Kbps, which sounds like around 45% utilization on a T1 line, or ~6.7% utilization on 10baseT, or ~0.7% utilization on a 100Mbps connection. Try sticking a full-duplex 10/100 hub with informative LEDs between the two boxes and seeing what they tell you. Some versions of Open Transport can be slow, but not that slow. And 100Mbps is not the same as 100Mbps with full-duplex. You want full-duplex. Also, which version of PowerBook is it? I had a Lombard whose 10/100 card stopped autosensing and permanently defaulted to 10baseT. Apple swapped it out for me. -B... From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Wed Feb 21 23:53:53 2001 Return-Path: Received: from funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.27]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id XAA07495 for ; Wed, 21 Feb 2001 23:53:53 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id XAA03015 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Wed, 21 Feb 2001 23:53:46 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id XAA03001 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Wed, 21 Feb 2001 23:53:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.zaius.org (cs28122-199.houston.rr.com [24.28.122.199]) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id XAA02958 for ; Wed, 21 Feb 2001 23:53:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from zaius.org (spare.zaius.org [10.0.0.3]) by mail.zaius.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 51AAF5659; Wed, 21 Feb 2001 22:51:22 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <3A949B5E.A963E295@zaius.org> Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 22:53:51 -0600 From: Jeff Thompson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Niall O Broin , netatalk-admins@umich.edu Subject: Re: Netatalk wire speed References: <20010222023001.B2126@bagend.local> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Niall- > I need to copy about 13GB of files from a Linux box to a G3 Powerbook. The > Linux box is running 1.4b2+asun2.1.3 (it's stock SuSE 7) and the Powerbook > has mounted the filesystem using TCP (I hope - I entered the server IP > address rather than picking it by name from the Chooser so that should do > it, no ?). yes, this forces the connection over TCP > The server has a 3C509 card and is connected to the Powerbook by > a crossover cable, and the link lights indicate that 100 MB is active. When > I drag the relevant folder to the Powerbook (containing about 18000 files) > it trundles away for a while, counting up to the number of files, and then > starts copying. The estimated varies as a few files are copied, but it's > always around 40 hours. Now cutting corners here and there this equates to > an approx. transfer rate of ~ 5MB / minute - this is just a tad below the > wire speed of a 100 MB network. Yep, that's very slow. > Now I know that afp won't really approach wirespeed, even over TCP rather > than Appletalk, but even so ~ 5MB / minute seems a bit slow. Anyone have > any suggestions ? My #1 bet is a bad cable. #2: You're server's loaded with something else and afpd can't get the cpu cycles (or disk I/O's) it needs to send the data. #2a: You're getting the 100MB light on the card, but the server only recognizes it as a 10MB link (driver issue). Even then, it should be a tad faster than 5MB/min. #3: Your server (if it's normally connected to a larger network, ie the Internet) is trashing itself trying to get some outside connection while it's connected via the crossover cable to your 'book. #4: Your powerbook's ethernet port is messed up (it's happened to mine) I hope this helps -- -Jeff Thompson (http://jeff.zaius.org) jeff@zaius(.dyndns).org, jeff@artifex.org, jeff@kinkaid.org If you keep anything long enough, you can throw it away. From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Thu Feb 22 08:02:43 2001 Return-Path: Received: from easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.26]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id IAA17467 for ; Thu, 22 Feb 2001 08:02:42 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id IAA16464 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Thu, 22 Feb 2001 08:02:42 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id IAA16441 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Thu, 22 Feb 2001 08:02:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from pantheon-po02.its.yale.edu (pantheon-po02.its.yale.edu [130.132.143.33]) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id IAA16406 for ; Thu, 22 Feb 2001 08:02:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from morpheus.cis.yale.edu (morpheus.cis.yale.edu [130.132.143.248]) by pantheon-po02.its.yale.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA00858 for ; Thu, 22 Feb 2001 08:02:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (nlw4@localhost) by morpheus.cis.yale.edu (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA03237 for ; Thu, 22 Feb 2001 08:02:05 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: morpheus.cis.yale.edu: nlw4 owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 08:01:16 -0500 (EST) From: "Radar O'Reilly" X-X-Sender: To: Gregg Healy Subject: Re: Netatalk wire speed In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII ReSent-Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 08:01:52 -0500 (EST) ReSent-From: "Radar O'Reilly" ReSent-To: ReSent-Subject: Re: Netatalk wire speed ReSent-Message-ID: On Wed, 21 Feb 2001, Gregg Healy wrote: > My G4 can sustain over 5mb/sec. Limited I think by the HD in my Linux system > but I havent had the money to test it. > > There must be some kind of cable or incompatibility problem? Even a slow > 10/mb connection can do 10mb/min. Ah-cha. I've had the same problem observed here transferring files from my 7500 (YellowDog CS 1.2.1) to my 7200 (MacOS 8.6), which started after I upgraded netatalk lo those eons ago, and hasn't really gone away. At the same time, I've been having the same good luck as everyone else at work, with the 1.5 prerelease on my RH 7.0 machine. I never did track down what was causing it, but this was the only time that there was any speed issue with either machine. I wound up ftping the files in question, if memory serves me correctly. Anyhoo, just wanted to let the man know he wasn't the only one to have observed this. __________/| Nathan "Radar" Willard MC '00 | "A Sucking Chest Wound is (_|__|_____\|________ PO Box 203927 | nature's way of telling |_|_____________)- New Haven, CT 06520 | you to slow down." From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Thu Feb 22 08:57:46 2001 Return-Path: Received: from kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.25]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id IAA18659 for ; Thu, 22 Feb 2001 08:57:46 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id IAA06943 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Thu, 22 Feb 2001 08:57:46 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id IAA06923 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Thu, 22 Feb 2001 08:57:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from video1.avwashington.com (client-151-200-136-147.tag.com [151.200.136.147] (may be forged)) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id IAA06878 for ; Thu, 22 Feb 2001 08:57:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.avwashington.com (IDENT:root@crow.avwashington.com [192.168.0.6]) by video1.avwashington.com (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id IAA05884 for ; Thu, 22 Feb 2001 08:59:49 -0500 Sender: root@video1.avwashington.com Message-ID: <3A951A65.4102271E@mail.avwashington.com> Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 08:55:49 -0500 From: Chip Mefford Reply-To: cpm@avwashington.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.16-22 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: netatalk-admins@umich.edu Subject: Re: Netatalk wire speed Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I was just wondering, -having used netatalk for about 5 years now- is there a stable release of any version anywhere that isn't a pre- or beta- or whatever? Not an issue, just curious. On Wed, 21 Feb 2001, Gregg Healy wrote: >> My G4 can sustain over 5mb/sec. Limited I think by the HD in my Linux system >> but I havent had the money to test it. >>SNIP >snip > At the same time, I've >been having the same good luck as everyone else at work, with the 1.5 >prerelease on my RH 7.0 machine. I never did track down what was causing it, >but this was the only time that there was any speed issue with either machine. >I wound up ftping the files in question, if memory serves me correctly. >Anyhoo, just wanted to let the man know he wasn't the only one to have observed >this. __________/| Nathan "Radar" Willard MC '00 | "A Sucking Chest Wound is (_|__|_____\|________ PO Box 203927 | nature's way of telling |_|_____________)- New Haven, CT 06520 | you to slow down." From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Thu Feb 22 10:33:44 2001 Return-Path: Received: from easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.26]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id KAA21399 for ; Thu, 22 Feb 2001 10:33:44 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id KAA20763 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Thu, 22 Feb 2001 10:33:44 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id KAA20732 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Thu, 22 Feb 2001 10:33:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from tbsun.text-bild.de (fuerth.dvs.org [212.114.66.66] (may be forged)) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id KAA20666 for ; Thu, 22 Feb 2001 10:33:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from text-bild.de ([192.168.100.31]) by tbsun.text-bild.de (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 127-57510U100L2S100V35) with ESMTP id de for ; Thu, 22 Feb 2001 16:39:43 +0100 Message-ID: <3A95314E.F076E153@text-bild.de> Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 16:33:35 +0100 From: anatol.ulrich@text-bild.de (Anatol Ulrich) Reply-To: Anatol.Ulrich@text-bild.de Organization: Text & Bild GmbH X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: netatalk-admins@umich.edu Subject: netatalk + QuarkXPress 4.1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi there again, the auth problem I described disappeared after I upgraded netatalk to the version from sourceforge. But the problem that I really tried to kill with all those updates is the error -199 you get when you overwrite documents with XPress 4.1 and have preview enabled. I heard the new version would fix this error (disabling preview is not an option for the guys here). I tried to compile netatalk both with and without the "flock-locks" file lock mode, but no luck either way. How can I solve the problem? -anatol- From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Thu Feb 22 15:58:59 2001 Return-Path: Received: from easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.26]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id PAA02541 for ; Thu, 22 Feb 2001 15:58:59 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id PAA24481 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Thu, 22 Feb 2001 15:58:59 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id PAA24467 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Thu, 22 Feb 2001 15:58:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail-a.bcc.ac.uk (mail-a.bcc.ac.uk [144.82.100.21]) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id PAA24421 for ; Thu, 22 Feb 2001 15:58:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from [192.168.1.35] (actually host meserv.nucmed.ucl.ac.uk) by mail-a.bcc.ac.uk with SMTP (Mailer) with ESMTP; Thu, 22 Feb 2001 20:58:52 +0000 X-Sender: regupre@pop-server.ucl.ac.uk Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 08:15:06 +0000 To: netatalk-admins@umich.edu From: "Philip R. Edwards" Subject: netatalk needs clients in hosts file? Hi, Does/must netatalk & IP-able Macs resolve both server & client addresses? The problem I see is a long delay after selecting the server in the chooser before the client 'switches to Appletalk'. The connection may still fail. The server (2.2.15-4mdk and netatalk 1.4b2+asun2.1.3-7) is on a private subnet and like the macs uses an external DNS which, of course, does not know their private addresses. Adding both server & client to the server hosts file fixes the problem and a TCP/IP connection is made. However, adding only the server address to the hosts files does not. So, I suppose I just list all clients in the hosts file - but is this correct? I read an earlier post explaining that when atalkd detected a Mac client that could use IP it needed its own address to offer a TCP connection but there was no mention of looking up the client. I am confused 'cos an earlier install didn't need the client addresses and would like to work out why. I can list config files etc if this isn't a FAQ I've missed. Thanks for any info., ---------------------------------------------------------------- Dr Philip R. Edwards E-Mail: p.edwards@ucl.ac.uk Dept. of Molecular Endocrinology Mobile: 079 3914 1711 University College UCL : 020 7679 9398 Mortimer Street London W1N 8AA From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Thu Feb 22 17:35:33 2001 Return-Path: Received: from easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.26]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id RAA05569 for ; Thu, 22 Feb 2001 17:35:33 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id RAA12380 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Thu, 22 Feb 2001 17:35:32 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id RAA12361 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Thu, 22 Feb 2001 17:35:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from keam1 (keam1.vcc.bc.ca [142.30.247.21]) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with SMTP id RAA12321 for ; Thu, 22 Feb 2001 17:35:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from VCC-Message_Server by keam1 with Novell_GroupWise; Thu, 22 Feb 2001 14:36:33 -0800 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 5.5.4.1 Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 14:36:01 -0800 From: "Bryn Hughes" To: Subject: File Copy Errors Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu id RAA05569 I've recently started running into two problems with my netatalk box: 1. I've been getting Type -50 errors when copying files to the server sometimes. I haven't seen this often enough myself to know exactly what the problem is, but my users claim they've seen it a lot. I THINK it's mostly for file types that have resource forks, but I'm not sure. 2. I've got one folder that whenever I create a new folder in it, I get a message saying that I don't have permission to create the folder. Yet it DOES create it anyhow! I can then rename it and use it normally. Anything I do WITHIN one of the folders I create in this directory are also working normally. Any ideas? Netatalk 1.4b2+asun2.1.3 running on a Yellow Dog Linux 1.2 with all updates installed (including kernel 2.2.17) Thanks in advance, Bryn Cecil Paris Vancouver Community College City Centre Media Services cparis@vcc.bc.ca 1-604-443-8366 From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Thu Feb 22 17:37:55 2001 Return-Path: Received: from easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.26]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id RAA05739 for ; Thu, 22 Feb 2001 17:37:55 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id RAA16351 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Thu, 22 Feb 2001 17:37:55 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id RAA16319 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Thu, 22 Feb 2001 17:37:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from keam1 (keam1.vcc.bc.ca [142.30.247.21]) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with SMTP id RAA16274 for ; Thu, 22 Feb 2001 17:37:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from VCC-Message_Server by keam1 with Novell_GroupWise; Thu, 22 Feb 2001 14:39:01 -0800 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 5.5.4.1 Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 14:38:33 -0800 From: "Bryn Hughes" To: Subject: Re: File Copy Errors (whoops, wrong address!) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu id RAA05739 OOPS! Sorry, I sent that last message with the wrong signature at the bottom. My correct email address is: bhughes@vcc.bc.ca Thanks!! Bryn >>> "Bryn Hughes" - 2/22/01 2:36 PM >>> I've recently started running into two problems with my netatalk box: 1. I've been getting Type -50 errors when copying files to the server sometimes. I haven't seen this often enough myself to know exactly what the problem is, but my users claim they've seen it a lot. I THINK it's mostly for file types that have resource forks, but I'm not sure. 2. I've got one folder that whenever I create a new folder in it, I get a message saying that I don't have permission to create the folder. Yet it DOES create it anyhow! I can then rename it and use it normally. Anything I do WITHIN one of the folders I create in this directory are also working normally. Any ideas? Netatalk 1.4b2+asun2.1.3 running on a Yellow Dog Linux 1.2 with all updates installed (including kernel 2.2.17) Thanks in advance, Bryn Cecil Paris Vancouver Community College City Centre Media Services cparis@vcc.bc.ca 1-604-443-8366 From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Thu Feb 22 21:35:53 2001 Return-Path: Received: from funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.27]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id VAA11858 for ; Thu, 22 Feb 2001 21:35:53 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id VAA08613 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Thu, 22 Feb 2001 21:35:45 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id VAA08605 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Thu, 22 Feb 2001 21:35:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from www.molbio.wisc.edu (www.molbio.wisc.edu [144.92.19.124]) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with SMTP id VAA08582 for ; Thu, 22 Feb 2001 21:35:44 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 818 invoked by uid 500); 23 Feb 2001 02:35:36 -0000 Received: from localhost (sendmail-bs@127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 23 Feb 2001 02:35:36 -0000 Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 20:35:36 -0600 (CST) From: "Daniel E. Lautenschleger" To: Netatalk Mailing List Subject: No rc.atalk Present Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII After compiling pre4 on a RH 7 box, there does not seem to be an rc.atalk file present that I can start the service with. The RPM version is /etc/rc.d/init.d/atalk Anyone know what gives? -- Daniel E. Lautenschleger University of Wisconsin R.M. Bock Laboratories Network Administrator and Computer Support dan@www.molbio.wisc.edu From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Thu Feb 22 21:44:24 2001 Return-Path: Received: from kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.25]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id VAA12120 for ; Thu, 22 Feb 2001 21:44:24 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id VAA20565 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Thu, 22 Feb 2001 21:44:24 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id VAA20557 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Thu, 22 Feb 2001 21:44:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from www.molbio.wisc.edu (www.molbio.wisc.edu [144.92.19.124]) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with SMTP id VAA20536 for ; Thu, 22 Feb 2001 21:44:23 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 845 invoked by uid 500); 23 Feb 2001 02:44:07 -0000 Received: from localhost (sendmail-bs@127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 23 Feb 2001 02:44:07 -0000 Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 20:44:07 -0600 (CST) From: "Daniel E. Lautenschleger" To: Netatalk Mailing List Subject: Still Only Cleartext Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII When using the pre4 RPM on a RH 7 box, there is no darn way for me to get encrypted logins working. Guest and cleartext work but not dhx. Check the logs out here: Feb 22 10:00:38 itchy afpd[2381]: ASIP started on 144.92.19.56:548(2) (1.5pre4) Feb 22 10:00:38 itchy afpd[2381]: uam: uams_dhx.so loaded Feb 22 10:00:38 itchy afpd[2381]: uam: "DHCAST128" available Feb 22 10:00:48 itchy afpd[2381]: refused connect from 144.92.19.60 Feb 22 10:00:48 itchy afpd[2381]: dsi_getsess: Connection refused Feb 22 10:00:57 itchy afpd[2384]: session from 44038.212:246 on 44039.103:253 Feb 22 10:01:07 itchy afpd[2384]: atp_rresp: Connection timed out Feb 22 10:01:12 itchy afpd[2385]: session from 44038.212:246 on 44039.103:251 Feb 22 10:01:17 itchy afpd[2384]: afp_die: asp_shutdown: Connection timed out Feb 22 10:01:17 itchy afpd[2384]: 0.04KB read, 5.18KB written Feb 22 10:01:17 itchy afpd[2381]: server_child[0] 2384 done Feb 22 10:01:21 itchy afpd[2386]: session from 44038.212:246 on 44039.103:253 Feb 22 10:01:22 itchy afpd[2385]: atp_rresp: Connection timed out Feb 22 10:01:31 itchy afpd[2386]: atp_rresp: Connection timed out Feb 22 10:01:32 itchy afpd[2385]: afp_die: asp_shutdown: Connection timed out Here's another strange log after messing around with the config files in /etc/atalk: Feb 22 10:16:31 itchy afpd[2534]: uam: uams_guest.so loaded Feb 22 10:16:31 itchy afpd[2534]: uam: uams_clrtxt.so loaded Feb 22 10:16:31 itchy afpd[2534]: uam: uams_dhx.so loaded Feb 22 10:16:31 itchy afpd[2534]: uam: "DHCAST128" available Feb 22 10:16:31 itchy afpd[2534]: uam: "Cleartxt Passwrd" available Feb 22 10:16:31 itchy afpd[2534]: uam: "No User Authent" available Feb 22 10:16:39 itchy afpd[2534]: refused connect from 144.92.19.76 Feb 22 10:16:39 itchy afpd[2534]: dsi_getsess: Connection refused Feb 22 10:16:55 itchy afpd[2537]: session from 44038.158:248 on 44038.190:253 Feb 22 10:17:06 itchy afpd[2537]: afp_die: asp_shutdown: Connection timed out What the heck is this??? Feb 22 10:49:25 itchy afpd[3038]: setdirowner: chown 16777216/-1 .AppleDouble/.Parent: Invalid argument Feb 22 10:49:25 itchy afpd[3038]: setdirowner: chown 16777216/-1 .AppleDouble: Invalid argument Feb 22 10:49:25 itchy afpd[3038]: setdirowner: chown 16777216/-1 .: Invalid argument Feb 22 10:49:25 itchy afpd[3038]: setdirowner: chown -1/0 .AppleDouble/.Parent: Operation not permitted Feb 22 10:49:25 itchy afpd[3038]: setdirowner: chown 16777216/-1 .AppleDouble/.Parent: Invalid argument Feb 22 10:49:25 itchy afpd[3038]: setdirowner: chown 16777216/-1 .AppleDouble: Invalid argument Feb 22 10:49:25 itchy afpd[3038]: setdirowner: chown 16777216/-1 .: Invalid argument Feb 22 10:49:25 itchy afpd[3038]: setdirowner: chown -1/0 .AppleDouble/.Parent: Operation not permitted TIA! From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Fri Feb 23 10:56:12 2001 Return-Path: Received: from funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.27]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id KAA27175 for ; Fri, 23 Feb 2001 10:56:12 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id KAA22788 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Fri, 23 Feb 2001 10:56:06 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id KAA22774 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Fri, 23 Feb 2001 10:56:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from camelia.wanadoo.fr (smtp-rt-10.wanadoo.fr [193.252.19.59]) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id KAA22622 for ; Fri, 23 Feb 2001 10:55:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from citronier.wanadoo.fr (193.252.19.222) by camelia.wanadoo.fr; 23 Feb 2001 16:56:04 +0100 Received: from wanadoo.fr (193.248.131.180) by citronier.wanadoo.fr; 23 Feb 2001 16:55:43 +0100 Message-ID: <3A968669.1DFD2421@wanadoo.fr> Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2001 16:48:57 +0100 From: prominox X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [fr] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: fr MIME-Version: 1.0 To: netatalk-admins@umich.edu Subject: netatalk Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------A3314CCAFB80DABFB2F1146B" Il s'agit d'un message multivolet au format MIME. --------------A3314CCAFB80DABFB2F1146B Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit hello, can you help me please. I have one MAC connect on LINUX server with netatalk and when the user of MAC copy one file on the server, the file has these priority USER RWX, GROUP RWX, OTHER WX. can I change some priority by OTHER RWX , when the user copy one file? best regard. C.COUTANT --------------A3314CCAFB80DABFB2F1146B Content-Type: text/x-vcard; charset=us-ascii; name="prominox.vcf" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: Carte pour prominox Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="prominox.vcf" begin:vcard n:Aurousseau;Thierry tel;fax:(33) 03-86-59-89-39 tel;work:(33) 03-86-59-89-31 x-mozilla-html:FALSE url:www.prominox.fr org:PROMINOX;informatique version:2.1 email;internet:prominox@wanadoo.fr title:responsable AS400 adr;quoted-printable:;;5 Rue, Albert 1er=0D=0ABP 20;NEVERS CEDEX;;58028;FRANCE fn:Thierry Aurousseau end:vcard --------------A3314CCAFB80DABFB2F1146B-- From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Fri Feb 23 14:33:37 2001 Return-Path: Received: from easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.26]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id OAA02369 for ; Fri, 23 Feb 2001 14:33:37 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id OAA21511 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Fri, 23 Feb 2001 14:33:37 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id OAA21487 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Fri, 23 Feb 2001 14:33:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from smart.visp-europe.psi.com (smart.visp-europe.psi.com [212.222.105.5]) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id OAA21455 for ; Fri, 23 Feb 2001 14:33:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from n242-36.berlin.snafu.de ([195.21.242.36] helo=athlet.deltaman.de) by smart.visp-europe.psi.com with esmtp (Exim 3.22 #1) id 14WNy9-0003rR-00 for netatalk-admins@umich.edu; Fri, 23 Feb 2001 20:33:33 +0100 Received: from athlet (root@athlet.deltaman.de [192.168.1.1]) by athlet.deltaman.de (8.9.3/8.9.3/SuSE Linux 8.9.3-0.1) with SMTP id UAA10285 for ; Fri, 23 Feb 2001 20:30:13 +0100 From: Carsten Neumann Reply-To: deltor@snafu.de To: netatalk-admins@umich.edu Subject: Re: No rc.atalk Present Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2001 20:29:56 +0100 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.0.28] Content-Type: text/plain References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <01022320284500.01905@athlet> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu id OAA02369 On Fri, 23 Feb 2001, Daniel E. Lautenschleger wrote: > After compiling pre4 on a RH 7 box, there does not seem to be an rc.atalk > file present that I can start the service with. > > The RPM version is /etc/rc.d/init.d/atalk Haeh? This is the startscript! Usage: /etc/rc.d/init.d/atalk {start|stop|restart|status} > > Anyone know what gives? Regards Carsten From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Fri Feb 23 14:42:12 2001 Return-Path: Received: from kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.25]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id OAA02514 for ; Fri, 23 Feb 2001 14:42:12 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id OAA02458 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Fri, 23 Feb 2001 14:42:12 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id OAA02453 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Fri, 23 Feb 2001 14:42:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from www.molbio.wisc.edu (www.molbio.wisc.edu [144.92.19.124]) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with SMTP id OAA02431 for ; Fri, 23 Feb 2001 14:42:10 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 1919 invoked by uid 500); 23 Feb 2001 19:41:55 -0000 Received: from localhost (sendmail-bs@127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 23 Feb 2001 19:41:55 -0000 Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2001 13:41:55 -0600 (CST) From: "Daniel E. Lautenschleger" To: Carsten Neumann cc: Netatalk Mailing List Subject: Re: No rc.atalk Present In-Reply-To: <01022320284500.01905@athlet> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII That is true for the RPM version, but the atalk script is not present when compiling from source. -Dan On Fri, 23 Feb 2001, Carsten Neumann wrote: > On Fri, 23 Feb 2001, Daniel E. Lautenschleger wrote: > > After compiling pre4 on a RH 7 box, there does not seem to be an rc.atalk > > file present that I can start the service with. > > > > The RPM version is /etc/rc.d/init.d/atalk > > Haeh? > This is the startscript! > Usage: > /etc/rc.d/init.d/atalk {start|stop|restart|status} > > > > > Anyone know what gives? > > Regards > > Carsten > From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Fri Feb 23 14:48:48 2001 Return-Path: Received: from kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.25]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id OAA02748 for ; Fri, 23 Feb 2001 14:48:48 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id OAA09923 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Fri, 23 Feb 2001 14:48:48 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id OAA09864 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Fri, 23 Feb 2001 14:48:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from chicgeek.sophos.ca (modemcable123.29-201-24.mtl.mc.videotron.ca [24.201.29.123]) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id OAA09820 for ; Fri, 23 Feb 2001 14:48:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from chicgeek.sophos.ca (francis@chicgeek.sophos.ca [192.168.2.1]) by chicgeek.sophos.ca (8.9.3/8.8.7) with ESMTP id OAA23023; Fri, 23 Feb 2001 14:51:25 -0500 Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2001 14:51:25 -0500 (EST) From: Francis Lachapelle Reply-To: francis@sophos.ca To: "Daniel E. Lautenschleger" cc: Carsten Neumann , Netatalk Mailing List Subject: Re: No rc.atalk Present In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Fri, 23 Feb 2001, Daniel E. Lautenschleger wrote: > That is true for the RPM version, but the atalk script is not present when > compiling from source. >From the README file of the source of version 1.5pre3: The file rc.atalk is installed in ETCDIR. It should be called from your /etc/rc file, e.g. "sh ETCDIR/rc.atalk". Mine was in /etc/atalk which I moved to /etc/rc.d/init.d [francis@chicgeek ~]$ od -c -N 120 /dev/random > ~/.signature From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Fri Feb 23 14:52:16 2001 Return-Path: Received: from funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.27]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id OAA02872 for ; Fri, 23 Feb 2001 14:52:16 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id OAA07419 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Fri, 23 Feb 2001 14:52:10 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id OAA07398 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Fri, 23 Feb 2001 14:52:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from www.molbio.wisc.edu (www.molbio.wisc.edu [144.92.19.124]) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with SMTP id OAA07374 for ; Fri, 23 Feb 2001 14:52:08 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 1933 invoked by uid 500); 23 Feb 2001 19:51:58 -0000 Received: from localhost (sendmail-bs@127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 23 Feb 2001 19:51:58 -0000 Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2001 13:51:58 -0600 (CST) From: "Daniel E. Lautenschleger" To: cc: Carsten Neumann , Netatalk Mailing List Subject: Re: No rc.atalk Present In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I did a find / -name rc.atalk after installing at it was not present. I looked and it was not in /etc/atalk either. Strange. -Dan On Fri, 23 Feb 2001, Francis Lachapelle wrote: > On Fri, 23 Feb 2001, Daniel E. Lautenschleger wrote: > > > That is true for the RPM version, but the atalk script is not present when > > compiling from source. > > >From the README file of the source of version 1.5pre3: > > The file rc.atalk is installed in ETCDIR. It should be called > from your /etc/rc file, e.g. "sh ETCDIR/rc.atalk". > > Mine was in /etc/atalk which I moved to /etc/rc.d/init.d > > > > > [francis@chicgeek ~]$ od -c -N 120 /dev/random > ~/.signature > > From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Fri Feb 23 15:07:03 2001 Return-Path: Received: from easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.26]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id PAA03316 for ; Fri, 23 Feb 2001 15:07:03 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id PAA21900 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Fri, 23 Feb 2001 15:07:02 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id PAA21878 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Fri, 23 Feb 2001 15:07:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from chicgeek.sophos.ca (modemcable123.29-201-24.mtl.mc.videotron.ca [24.201.29.123]) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id PAA21841 for ; Fri, 23 Feb 2001 15:07:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from chicgeek.sophos.ca (francis@chicgeek.sophos.ca [192.168.2.1]) by chicgeek.sophos.ca (8.9.3/8.8.7) with ESMTP id PAA23234; Fri, 23 Feb 2001 15:09:51 -0500 Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2001 15:09:51 -0500 (EST) From: Francis Lachapelle Reply-To: francis@sophos.ca To: "Daniel E. Lautenschleger" cc: Netatalk Mailing List Subject: Re: No rc.atalk Present In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Fri, 23 Feb 2001, Daniel E. Lautenschleger wrote: > I did a find / -name rc.atalk after installing at it was not present. I > looked and it was not in /etc/atalk either. > > Strange. oops. I forgot to mention that you need to add the option "--enable-redhat" when running configure. [francis@chicgeek ~]$ od -c -N 120 /dev/random > ~/.signature From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Fri Feb 23 15:11:07 2001 Return-Path: Received: from kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.25]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id PAA03443 for ; Fri, 23 Feb 2001 15:11:07 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id PAA02597 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Fri, 23 Feb 2001 15:11:07 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id PAA02587 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Fri, 23 Feb 2001 15:11:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from univrel.pr.uconn.edu (univrel.pr.uconn.edu [137.99.59.30]) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id PAA02567 for ; Fri, 23 Feb 2001 15:11:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from univrel.pr.uconn.edu (root@test.pr.uconn.edu [137.99.59.90]) by univrel.pr.uconn.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id PAA00422; Fri, 23 Feb 2001 15:11:04 -0500 Sender: root@univrel.pr.uconn.edu Message-ID: <3A96C350.2850DB2B@univrel.pr.uconn.edu> Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2001 15:08:48 -0500 From: jeff X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.0-0.14mdk i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Daniel E. Lautenschleger" , netatalk-admins@umich.edu Subject: Re: No rc.atalk Present References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit "Daniel E. Lautenschleger" wrote: > That is true for the RPM version, but the atalk script is not present when > compiling from source. Use --enable-redhat to get the redhat script. jeff From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Fri Feb 23 15:13:52 2001 Return-Path: Received: from funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.27]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id PAA03546 for ; Fri, 23 Feb 2001 15:13:52 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id PAA08442 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Fri, 23 Feb 2001 15:13:46 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id PAA08405 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Fri, 23 Feb 2001 15:13:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from www.molbio.wisc.edu (www.molbio.wisc.edu [144.92.19.124]) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with SMTP id PAA08260 for ; Fri, 23 Feb 2001 15:13:42 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 1965 invoked by uid 500); 23 Feb 2001 20:13:30 -0000 Received: from localhost (sendmail-bs@127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 23 Feb 2001 20:13:30 -0000 Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2001 14:13:30 -0600 (CST) From: "Daniel E. Lautenschleger" To: cc: Netatalk Mailing List Subject: Re: No rc.atalk Present In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII You've got to be kidding me... What the heck does --enable-redhat do? In fact, where the hell is complete documentation on the various installation options as well as what's been fixed after each release!!!!!! Not trying to piss anyone off. Jeff has done a fine job so far :-) It justs gets frustrating at times. No flaming please. Just a bit of venting. I am now patient and grateful once again... -Dan On Fri, 23 Feb 2001, Francis Lachapelle wrote: > On Fri, 23 Feb 2001, Daniel E. Lautenschleger wrote: > > > I did a find / -name rc.atalk after installing at it was not present. I > > looked and it was not in /etc/atalk either. > > > > Strange. > > oops. I forgot to mention that you need to add the option > "--enable-redhat" when running configure. > > > > [francis@chicgeek ~]$ od -c -N 120 /dev/random > ~/.signature > > -- From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Fri Feb 23 15:32:31 2001 Return-Path: Received: from funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.27]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id PAA04344 for ; Fri, 23 Feb 2001 15:32:31 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id PAA05853 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Fri, 23 Feb 2001 15:32:24 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id PAA05841 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Fri, 23 Feb 2001 15:32:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from univrel.pr.uconn.edu (univrel.pr.uconn.edu [137.99.59.30]) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id PAA05802 for ; Fri, 23 Feb 2001 15:32:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from univrel.pr.uconn.edu (root@test.pr.uconn.edu [137.99.59.90]) by univrel.pr.uconn.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id PAA00546; Fri, 23 Feb 2001 15:32:22 -0500 Sender: root@univrel.pr.uconn.edu Message-ID: <3A96C84E.2F1745DE@univrel.pr.uconn.edu> Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2001 15:30:06 -0500 From: jeff X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.0-0.14mdk i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Daniel E. Lautenschleger" CC: francis@sophos.ca, Netatalk Mailing List , netatalk-devel@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: No rc.atalk Present References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit "Daniel E. Lautenschleger" wrote: > > You've got to be kidding me... > > What the heck does --enable-redhat do? In fact, where the hell is complete > documentation on the various installation options as well as what's been > fixed after each release!!!!!! > > Not trying to piss anyone off. Jeff has done a fine job so far :-) It > justs gets frustrating at times. > > No flaming please. Just a bit of venting. I am now patient and > grateful once again... That's okay. I'm not offended. I *know* that documentation is lacking, other than the usually unhelpful "./configure --help", which still doesn't explain much about the options. If anyone would like to help out, it would be much appreciated, since the README was last slightly patched when I had a little bit of free time, and I haven't really had time to maintain it. Might move the --enable-redhat,--enable-suse, etc switches to --enable-sysv=(redhat|suse|...) or something in the future, since a ton of switches like that is just bound to get confusing. jeff (with tremendous apologies for the cross-posting) From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Fri Feb 23 16:04:10 2001 Return-Path: Received: from kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.25]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id QAA05952 for ; Fri, 23 Feb 2001 16:04:09 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id QAA02396 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Fri, 23 Feb 2001 16:04:09 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id QAA02381 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Fri, 23 Feb 2001 16:04:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from www.molbio.wisc.edu (www.molbio.wisc.edu [144.92.19.124]) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with SMTP id QAA02341 for ; Fri, 23 Feb 2001 16:04:07 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 2016 invoked by uid 500); 23 Feb 2001 21:03:52 -0000 Received: from localhost (sendmail-bs@127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 23 Feb 2001 21:03:52 -0000 Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2001 15:03:52 -0600 (CST) From: "Daniel E. Lautenschleger" To: jeff cc: Netatalk Mailing List Subject: Helping Out In-Reply-To: <3A96C84E.2F1745DE@univrel.pr.uconn.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Jeff: I would love to help out and assemble documentation that would ease installation/operational issues. The problem is, I don't fully understand what changes have been made since the whole shebang got moved to sourceforge and truly what all the options and challenges are for the various installs on the different platforms. If you have a general direction or thoughts of how I might proceed, I am more than willing to help out. I've thought for quite some time that there are not enough people helping you out. Here's another thought meant to be non-offensive: You for the courage and talent, have signed on to administor the Netatalk project on SourceForge. Therefore, you need to spell out *exactly* what areas you need help with (besides documentation) and say I need someone to do this, somone to do this other thing, etc... and approach it that way. Who are the current members of the team that are strong at programming? Who is good at writing documentation? Who can communicate on a regular basis regarding bugs that need to be resolved? Is it even a bug? Who is going to regularly respond to people in the help forum (besides other users) to assist with simple and/or major issues? I gues we need some structure added to the SourceForge site and I'm as guilty as anyone else for not doing more to promote this as I have signed up as developer. Well, I suck at C but I don't mind doing some administrative work if you'd like me to. Just some thoughts that I think may move us forward with a more presentable operation as v1.5 release approaches. Tell ya' what, rather than rambling any longer, I will seriously examine what I think needs to happen with regard to making a more effective SourceForge presence over the weekend and present you with my ideas next week via e-mail. I can stop my complaining and contribute that energy to the project :-) Sorry for the ramblings... -Dan On Fri, 23 Feb 2001, jeff wrote: > "Daniel E. Lautenschleger" wrote: > > > > You've got to be kidding me... > > > > What the heck does --enable-redhat do? In fact, where the hell is complete > > documentation on the various installation options as well as what's been > > fixed after each release!!!!!! > > > > Not trying to piss anyone off. Jeff has done a fine job so far :-) It > > justs gets frustrating at times. > > > > No flaming please. Just a bit of venting. I am now patient and > > grateful once again... > > That's okay. I'm not offended. > > I *know* that documentation is lacking, other than the usually unhelpful > "./configure --help", which still doesn't explain much about the > options. > > If anyone would like to help out, it would be much appreciated, since > the README was last slightly patched when I had a little bit of free > time, and I haven't really had time to maintain it. > > Might move the --enable-redhat,--enable-suse, etc switches to > --enable-sysv=(redhat|suse|...) or something in the future, since a ton > of switches like that is just bound to get confusing. > > jeff > (with tremendous apologies for the cross-posting) > -- Daniel E. Lautenschleger University of Wisconsin R.M. Bock Laboratories Network Administrator and Computer Support dan@www.molbio.wisc.edu From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Fri Feb 23 16:47:47 2001 Return-Path: Received: from funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.27]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id QAA07844 for ; Fri, 23 Feb 2001 16:47:47 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id QAA25718 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Fri, 23 Feb 2001 16:47:41 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id QAA25692 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Fri, 23 Feb 2001 16:47:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from hive.smallbusiness.com ([63.122.69.251]) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id QAA25639 for ; Fri, 23 Feb 2001 16:47:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from valhalla.smallbusiness.com (IDENT:kperkins@valhalla.smallbusiness.com [63.122.69.201]) by hive.smallbusiness.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA10674 for ; Fri, 23 Feb 2001 15:50:51 -0600 Message-Id: <200102232150.PAA10674@hive.smallbusiness.com> Subject: unsubscribe From: Kip Perkins To: netatalk-admins@umich.edu In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain X-Mailer: Evolution 0.6 (Developer Preview) Date: 24 Feb 2001 03:46:41 +0600 Mime-Version: 1.0 unsubscribe From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Fri Feb 23 17:21:59 2001 Return-Path: Received: from funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.27]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id RAA08693 for ; Fri, 23 Feb 2001 17:21:59 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id RAA15714 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Fri, 23 Feb 2001 17:21:53 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id RAA15703 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Fri, 23 Feb 2001 17:21:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from mailout03.sul.t-online.com (mailout03.sul.t-online.com [194.25.134.81]) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id RAA15667 for ; Fri, 23 Feb 2001 17:21:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from fwd02.sul.t-online.com by mailout03.sul.t-online.com with smtp id 14WQb7-0005Co-02; Fri, 23 Feb 2001 23:21:57 +0100 Received: from FEILCHEN (320058992624-0001@[217.0.33.144]) by fmrl02.sul.t-online.com with smtp id 14WQb2-1jBUwaC; Fri, 23 Feb 2001 23:21:52 +0100 From: "Florian Schedler" To: "Netatalk Mailing List" Subject: AW: Still Only Cleartext Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2001 23:22:15 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-Sender: 320058992624-0001@t-dialin.net About dhx: I couldn't make it work either. > When using the pre4 RPM on a RH 7 box, there is no darn way for me to get > encrypted logins working. Guest and cleartext work but not dhx. >From what I can see in your logfiles you might not have allowed your hosts access to your servers putting them into hosts.allow/deny. That's when I usually got those errors from dsi_getsess: Connection refused bla bla. > Feb 22 10:00:38 itchy afpd[2381]: ASIP started on 144.92.19.56:548(2) > (1.5pre4) > Feb 22 10:00:38 itchy afpd[2381]: uam: uams_dhx.so loaded > Feb 22 10:00:38 itchy afpd[2381]: uam: "DHCAST128" available > Feb 22 10:00:48 itchy afpd[2381]: refused connect from 144.92.19.60 > Feb 22 10:00:48 itchy afpd[2381]: dsi_getsess: Connection refused > Feb 22 10:00:57 itchy afpd[2384]: session from 44038.212:246 on About your last log. The same thing happened to me today. As a result, when I try to move a file into that directory i get a popup telling me I don't have enough rights, but the file gets copied anyways. How can you give afpd enough permissions to perform this operation? > What the heck is this??? > > Feb 22 10:49:25 itchy afpd[3038]: setdirowner: chown 16777216/-1 > .AppleDouble/.Parent: Invalid argument > Feb 22 10:49:25 itchy afpd[3038]: setdirowner: chown 16777216/-1 > .AppleDouble: Invalid argument > Feb 22 10:49:25 itchy afpd[3038]: setdirowner: chown 16777216/-1 .: > Invalid argument > Feb 22 10:49:25 itchy afpd[3038]: setdirowner: chown -1/0 > .AppleDouble/.Parent: Operation not permitted > Feb 22 10:49:25 itchy afpd[3038]: setdirowner: chown 16777216/-1 > .AppleDouble/.Parent: Invalid argument > Feb 22 10:49:25 itchy afpd[3038]: setdirowner: chown 16777216/-1 > .AppleDouble: Invalid argument > Feb 22 10:49:25 itchy afpd[3038]: setdirowner: chown 16777216/-1 .: > Invalid argument > Feb 22 10:49:25 itchy afpd[3038]: setdirowner: chown -1/0 > .AppleDouble/.Parent: Operation not permitted > > TIA! > > Bye florian. From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Sat Feb 24 00:51:22 2001 Return-Path: Received: from funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.27]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id AAA21917 for ; Sat, 24 Feb 2001 00:51:22 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id AAA21237 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Sat, 24 Feb 2001 00:51:16 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id AAA21218 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Sat, 24 Feb 2001 00:51:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from schilling.ucdavis.edu (schilling.ucdavis.edu [169.237.105.1]) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id AAA21192 for ; Sat, 24 Feb 2001 00:51:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from prometheus.mailbox.ucdavis.edu (iras-4-82.ucdavis.edu [169.237.17.210]) by schilling.ucdavis.edu (8.11.1/8.11.0/IT4.4.8) with ESMTP id f1O5p8h02215; Fri, 23 Feb 2001 21:51:09 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <5.0.2.1.0.20010223213906.00a68ad0@127.0.0.1> X-Sender: itlm019/mailbox.ucdavis.edu@127.0.0.1 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0.2 Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2001 21:42:29 -0800 To: "Daniel E. Lautenschleger" , jeff From: "Marc J. Miller" Subject: Re: Helping Out Cc: Netatalk Mailing List In-Reply-To: References: <3A96C84E.2F1745DE@univrel.pr.uconn.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed So far, it has been pretty much fixing anything we see needs to be fixed and adding what features we'd like to see. Myself, I'd love to see dropkludge get fixed, but the reason I stopped working on it was that I ran out of ideas on how to fix it and I ran out of time to work on it. I've got other duties to attend to before I change occupations in about a month. At 03:03 PM 2/23/01 -0600, Daniel E. Lautenschleger wrote: >Jeff: > >I would love to help out and assemble documentation that would ease >installation/operational issues. The problem is, I don't fully understand >what changes have been made since the whole shebang got moved to >sourceforge and truly what all the options and challenges are for the >various installs on the different platforms. > >If you have a general direction or thoughts of how I might proceed, I >am more than willing to help out. I've thought for quite some time that >there are not enough people helping you out. > >Here's another thought meant to be non-offensive: > >You for the courage and talent, have signed on to administor the Netatalk >project on SourceForge. Therefore, you need to spell out *exactly* what >areas you need help with (besides documentation) and say I need someone to >do this, somone to do this other thing, etc... and approach it that way. > >Who are the current members of the team that are strong at programming? >Who is good at writing documentation? Who can communicate on a regular >basis regarding bugs that need to be resolved? Is it even a bug? Who is >going to regularly respond to people in the help forum (besides other >users) to assist with simple and/or major issues? > >I gues we need some structure added to the SourceForge site and I'm as >guilty as anyone else for not doing more to promote this as I have signed >up as developer. Well, I suck at C but I don't mind doing some >administrative work if you'd like me to. > >Just some thoughts that I think may move us forward with a more >presentable operation as v1.5 release approaches. > >Tell ya' what, rather than rambling any longer, I will seriously examine >what I think needs to happen with regard to making a more effective >SourceForge presence over the weekend and present you with my ideas next >week via e-mail. > >I can stop my complaining and contribute that energy to the project :-) > >Sorry for the ramblings... > >-Dan > >On Fri, 23 Feb 2001, jeff wrote: > > > "Daniel E. Lautenschleger" wrote: > > > > > > You've got to be kidding me... > > > > > > What the heck does --enable-redhat do? In fact, where the hell is > complete > > > documentation on the various installation options as well as what's been > > > fixed after each release!!!!!! > > > > > > Not trying to piss anyone off. Jeff has done a fine job so far :-) It > > > justs gets frustrating at times. > > > > > > No flaming please. Just a bit of venting. I am now patient and > > > grateful once again... > > > > That's okay. I'm not offended. > > > > I *know* that documentation is lacking, other than the usually unhelpful > > "./configure --help", which still doesn't explain much about the > > options. > > > > If anyone would like to help out, it would be much appreciated, since > > the README was last slightly patched when I had a little bit of free > > time, and I haven't really had time to maintain it. > > > > Might move the --enable-redhat,--enable-suse, etc switches to > > --enable-sysv=(redhat|suse|...) or something in the future, since a ton > > of switches like that is just bound to get confusing. > > > > jeff > > (with tremendous apologies for the cross-posting) > > > >-- > >Daniel E. Lautenschleger >University of Wisconsin >R.M. Bock Laboratories >Network Administrator and Computer Support >dan@www.molbio.wisc.edu From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Sat Feb 24 09:43:40 2001 Return-Path: Received: from kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.25]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id JAA02292 for ; Sat, 24 Feb 2001 09:43:40 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id JAA07709 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Sat, 24 Feb 2001 09:43:40 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id JAA07698 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Sat, 24 Feb 2001 09:43:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from www.molbio.wisc.edu (www.molbio.wisc.edu [144.92.19.124]) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with SMTP id JAA07684 for ; Sat, 24 Feb 2001 09:43:39 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 2575 invoked by uid 500); 24 Feb 2001 14:43:24 -0000 Received: from localhost (sendmail-bs@127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 24 Feb 2001 14:43:24 -0000 Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2001 08:43:24 -0600 (CST) From: "Daniel E. Lautenschleger" To: "Marc J. Miller" cc: jeff , Netatalk Mailing List Subject: Re: Helping Out In-Reply-To: <5.0.2.1.0.20010223213906.00a68ad0@127.0.0.1> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I think many folks would like to see dropkludge, a DID database, and the feature that allows files created in netatalk volumes to have the same ownership and permissions as the parent (correct)? Maybe a "hit list" of items that need fixing by v1.5 release? If someone can (with detail) spell out the items that need fixing so we all understand each problem, folks can begin working on these items. Can we make a list on the site for developers to see what needs fixing and what's fixed as time progresses? -Dan On Fri, 23 Feb 2001, Marc J. Miller wrote: > So far, it has been pretty much fixing anything we see needs to be fixed > and adding what features we'd like to see. Myself, I'd love to see > dropkludge get fixed, but the reason I stopped working on it was that I ran > out of ideas on how to fix it and I ran out of time to work on it. I've > got other duties to attend to before I change occupations in about a month. > > At 03:03 PM 2/23/01 -0600, Daniel E. Lautenschleger wrote: > >Jeff: > > > >I would love to help out and assemble documentation that would ease > >installation/operational issues. The problem is, I don't fully understand > >what changes have been made since the whole shebang got moved to > >sourceforge and truly what all the options and challenges are for the > >various installs on the different platforms. > > > >If you have a general direction or thoughts of how I might proceed, I > >am more than willing to help out. I've thought for quite some time that > >there are not enough people helping you out. > > > >Here's another thought meant to be non-offensive: > > > >You for the courage and talent, have signed on to administor the Netatalk > >project on SourceForge. Therefore, you need to spell out *exactly* what > >areas you need help with (besides documentation) and say I need someone to > >do this, somone to do this other thing, etc... and approach it that way. > > > >Who are the current members of the team that are strong at programming? > >Who is good at writing documentation? Who can communicate on a regular > >basis regarding bugs that need to be resolved? Is it even a bug? Who is > >going to regularly respond to people in the help forum (besides other > >users) to assist with simple and/or major issues? > > > >I gues we need some structure added to the SourceForge site and I'm as > >guilty as anyone else for not doing more to promote this as I have signed > >up as developer. Well, I suck at C but I don't mind doing some > >administrative work if you'd like me to. > > > >Just some thoughts that I think may move us forward with a more > >presentable operation as v1.5 release approaches. > > > >Tell ya' what, rather than rambling any longer, I will seriously examine > >what I think needs to happen with regard to making a more effective > >SourceForge presence over the weekend and present you with my ideas next > >week via e-mail. > > > >I can stop my complaining and contribute that energy to the project :-) > > > >Sorry for the ramblings... > > > >-Dan > > > >On Fri, 23 Feb 2001, jeff wrote: > > > > > "Daniel E. Lautenschleger" wrote: > > > > > > > > You've got to be kidding me... > > > > > > > > What the heck does --enable-redhat do? In fact, where the hell is > > complete > > > > documentation on the various installation options as well as what's been > > > > fixed after each release!!!!!! > > > > > > > > Not trying to piss anyone off. Jeff has done a fine job so far :-) It > > > > justs gets frustrating at times. > > > > > > > > No flaming please. Just a bit of venting. I am now patient and > > > > grateful once again... > > > > > > That's okay. I'm not offended. > > > > > > I *know* that documentation is lacking, other than the usually unhelpful > > > "./configure --help", which still doesn't explain much about the > > > options. > > > > > > If anyone would like to help out, it would be much appreciated, since > > > the README was last slightly patched when I had a little bit of free > > > time, and I haven't really had time to maintain it. > > > > > > Might move the --enable-redhat,--enable-suse, etc switches to > > > --enable-sysv=(redhat|suse|...) or something in the future, since a ton > > > of switches like that is just bound to get confusing. > > > > > > jeff > > > (with tremendous apologies for the cross-posting) > > > > > > >-- > > > >Daniel E. Lautenschleger > >University of Wisconsin > >R.M. Bock Laboratories > >Network Administrator and Computer Support > >dan@www.molbio.wisc.edu > > -- Daniel E. Lautenschleger University of Wisconsin R.M. Bock Laboratories Network Administrator and Computer Support dan@www.molbio.wisc.edu From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Sat Feb 24 12:39:14 2001 Return-Path: Received: from funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.27]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id MAA06016 for ; Sat, 24 Feb 2001 12:39:14 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id MAA25119 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Sat, 24 Feb 2001 12:39:07 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id MAA25108 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Sat, 24 Feb 2001 12:39:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from video1.avwashington.com (client-151-200-136-147.tag.com [151.200.136.147] (may be forged)) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id MAA25091 for ; Sat, 24 Feb 2001 12:39:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (cmefford@localhost) by video1.avwashington.com (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id MAA28663; Sat, 24 Feb 2001 12:41:28 -0500 Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2001 12:41:28 -0500 (EST) From: Chip Mefford To: "Daniel E. Lautenschleger" cc: Netatalk Mailing List Subject: Re: Helping Out In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Sat, 24 Feb 2001, Daniel E. Lautenschleger wrote: > I think many folks would like to see dropkludge, What's Dropkludge? I assume it is some kludge to mimic the AppleShare Server "drop box" world write/owner rwx thingee. This would be very nice, but it seems a bit strange. I simply gave up and created a directory below home with subdirs for all my users with group rw for "users" and symlinked it to the home directories. Make a little script to add it automagicly at user creation time. Everyone of course can read everyone elses "drop box" but that makes it no different from those mailboxes up at the receptionists desk. I have department specific shares set up for accounting and management and the like to keep prying eyes out of sensitive stuff, so it is sort of an answer. Would be nice to have the AppleShare Server Dropbox though, as folks were used to it. >a DID database, What's a DID database? >and the > feature that allows files created in netatalk volumes to have the same > ownership and permissions as the parent (correct)? Yes, that would be really nice, but again, by setting the sticky bit for group, and having folks "copy" over onto the server rather than creating on the server, this seems to work out okay. > Maybe a "hit list" of items that need fixing by v1.5 release? From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Sat Feb 24 15:27:09 2001 Return-Path: Received: from funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.27]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id PAA10506 for ; Sat, 24 Feb 2001 15:27:09 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id PAA27159 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Sat, 24 Feb 2001 15:27:02 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id PAA27148 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Sat, 24 Feb 2001 15:27:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from franc.ucdavis.edu (franc.ucdavis.edu [169.237.105.2]) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id PAA27126 for ; Sat, 24 Feb 2001 15:27:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from prometheus.mailbox.ucdavis.edu (iras-2-49.ucdavis.edu [169.237.16.177]) by franc.ucdavis.edu (8.11.1/8.11.0/IT4.4.8) with ESMTP id f1OKQqP10507; Sat, 24 Feb 2001 12:26:53 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <5.0.2.1.0.20010224120744.00a60ec0@127.0.0.1> X-Sender: itlm019/mailbox.ucdavis.edu@127.0.0.1 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0.2 Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2001 12:23:53 -0800 To: Chip Mefford , "Daniel E. Lautenschleger" From: "Marc J. Miller" Subject: Re: Helping Out Cc: Netatalk Mailing List In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 12:41 PM 2/24/01 -0500, Chip Mefford wrote: >On Sat, 24 Feb 2001, Daniel E. Lautenschleger wrote: > > > I think many folks would like to see dropkludge, > >What's Dropkludge? I assume it is some kludge to mimic the >AppleShare Server "drop box" world write/owner rwx thingee. That's how it started... I eventually discovered that the same permission handling that was preventing Dropboxes from working was also creating other bugs. So I made the changes universal. It not only maintains rwx permissions, but it also makes sure that every file created within a directory has the same owner and group as the directory itself. That's what Mac expects. Unfortunately, I've run into a couple of difficulties -- a known security hole which is extremely well-documented on Sourceforge (check the DocManager) and a difficulty that when someone drops a folder into a dropbox, the dropped folder also becomes a dropbox, owned by whoever dropped it there. That's related to the setgid being set on the dropbox and permission inheritance. >This would be very nice, but it seems a bit strange. I simply >gave up and created a directory below home with subdirs for all >my users with group rw for "users" and symlinked it to the home >directories. Make a little script to add it automagicly at user >creation time. Everyone of course can read everyone elses "drop >box" but that makes it no different from those mailboxes up at >the receptionists desk. I'm glad that works for you. I created dropkludge to deal with student homework submission, so a situation where everyone can read everyone else's stuff simply wasn't acceptable. But as I say, there were certain issues I simply couldn't figure out how to resolve. I'm not completely out of ideas, but I *am* out of time. > >a DID database, > >What's a DID database? AppleShare tracks directories by directory ID number. Trouble is, originally when afpd initialized, it would assign those DIDs and therefore every time afpd restarted, the DIDs would change. A database to store those DIDs was created to make those assignments more permanent, but I understand its less than perfect. > >and the > > feature that allows files created in netatalk volumes to have the same > > ownership and permissions as the parent (correct)? > >Yes, that would be really nice, but again, by setting the sticky bit >for group, and having folks "copy" over onto the server rather than >creating on the server, this seems to work out okay. The sticky bit and the file ownership changes are part of dropkludge as described above. > > Maybe a "hit list" of items that need fixing by v1.5 release? We have a TODO list in the CVS. That seems like a good starting point... perhaps someone (Jeff?!) could update the bug tracker with some of the info there and decide what bugs are critical, what bugs could wait for now, etc. From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Sat Feb 24 18:04:14 2001 Return-Path: Received: from funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.27]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id SAA14079 for ; Sat, 24 Feb 2001 18:04:14 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id SAA07620 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Sat, 24 Feb 2001 18:04:07 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id SAA07598 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Sat, 24 Feb 2001 18:04:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from sd23.bc.ca (sd23sun.sd23.bc.ca [204.174.141.10]) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id SAA07564 for ; Sat, 24 Feb 2001 18:04:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from [204.174.160.8] (qes2.sd23.bc.ca [204.174.160.8]) by sd23.bc.ca (8.8.8+Sun/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA06845 for ; Sat, 24 Feb 2001 14:57:37 -0800 (PST) User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2001 16:08:04 -0800 Subject: Applications Show as SimpleText Files and Won't Launch From: Bill Colston To: Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Everything was going well then.... I created a directory /home/programs, logged into the the volume via the Chooser and copied the applications to the programs volume. I tried launching programs, ClarisWorks and BBEdit and everything worked great. I then added /home/programs to the AppleVolumes.default file so that everyone could access the programs volume when then logged in with their account name and password. However, when users log in and mounted their personal volume and the programs volume, they couldn't launch ClarisWorks or BBEdit as they appeared as SimpleText files. When ClarisWorks is double clicked SimpleText tries to open it. I have tried every combination of file permissions I could think of, even set the Sticky Bit (t) and set the directory setgid. I also added /home/programs to AppleVolumes.system and double checked to see if the proper extension/type/creator was set for ClarisWorks and BBEdit in AppleVolumes.system and they were. I even tried copying the .AppleDesktop directory from the programs volume to the user's volume but still no luck. I was able to get a cdrom mounted, placed it in Applevolumes.default so users could acess it and it did work, although the application icon was generic. It did launch. I would like to share more applications via netatalk but I don't have much hope if I can't even get ClarisWorks and BBEdit to launch. I am using netatalk 1.4b2+asun2.13-8 on YellowDog Linux 1.2.1. Any help would be much appreciated. Many thanks, Bill Bill Colston From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Sat Feb 24 19:15:38 2001 Return-Path: Received: from kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.25]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id TAA15881 for ; Sat, 24 Feb 2001 19:15:37 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id TAA17084 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Sat, 24 Feb 2001 19:15:37 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id TAA16989 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Sat, 24 Feb 2001 19:15:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from clavin2.unet.brandeis.edu (clavin2.unet.brandeis.edu [129.64.99.33]) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id TAA16840 for ; Sat, 24 Feb 2001 19:15:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from brandeis.edu (h00a04b0c2aa5.ne.mediaone.net [24.218.255.161]) by clavin2.unet.brandeis.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/UNet1.9) with ESMTP id TAA01233; Sat, 24 Feb 2001 19:15:24 -0500 Sender: karelsf@brandeis.edu Message-ID: <3A984F11.488FAFC2@brandeis.edu> Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2001 19:17:21 -0500 From: Steven Karel Reply-To: karel@brandeis.edu Organization: Brandeis University X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.1 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: netatalk-admins@umich.edu CC: Bill Colston Subject: Re: Applications Show as SimpleText Files and Won't Launch References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Check for the existence of, and the permissions of, the .AppleDouble folder -- in this case, /home/programs/.AppleDouble The type and creator information fo the programs (type 'APPL') is stored in the .AppleDouble file for the particular program, e.g. in: /home/programs/.AppleDouble/BBEdit If the user doesn't have permission to read that file, BBEdit will have an unknown type, and since there's no file extension to provide a hint, it'll default to a text file. steven Bill Colston wrote: > > Everything was going well then.... > > I created a directory /home/programs, logged into the the volume via the > Chooser and copied the applications to the programs volume. I tried > launching programs, ClarisWorks and BBEdit and everything worked great. I > then added /home/programs to the AppleVolumes.default file so that everyone > could access the programs volume when then logged in with their account name > and password. However, when users log in and mounted their personal volume > and the programs volume, they couldn't launch ClarisWorks or BBEdit as they > appeared as SimpleText files. From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Sat Feb 24 20:03:16 2001 Return-Path: Received: from funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.27]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id UAA16859 for ; Sat, 24 Feb 2001 20:03:16 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id UAA05654 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Sat, 24 Feb 2001 20:03:09 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id UAA05643 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Sat, 24 Feb 2001 20:03:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp8.xs4all.nl (smtp8.xs4all.nl [194.109.127.134]) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id UAA05612 for ; Sat, 24 Feb 2001 20:03:07 -0500 (EST) From: lammerse@xs4all.nl Received: from localhost (a213-84-22-161.adsl.xs4all.nl [213.84.22.161]) by smtp8.xs4all.nl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA13672 for ; Sun, 25 Feb 2001 02:03:12 +0100 (CET) Message-Id: <200102250103.CAA13672@smtp8.xs4all.nl> Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 02:03:01 +0000 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.365) To: netatalk-admins@umich.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v365) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Netatalk 1.5pre4 and OS X Hi there, I'm new to the list so please forgive me if I'm asking questions which have already been answered. Ok, here goes. My system: Linux Red Hat 6.0 / kernel 2.2.5-15 Openssl-0.9.6 tcp_wrappers-7.6-7 Netatalk 1.5pre4 OS X (build 4k17) During the compilation of netatalk, there was a small error message in the uams folder saying that the crypto-library couldn't be found. make[3]: Entering directory `/usr/src/netatalk/etc/uams' Makefile:266: warning: overriding commands for target `install-strip' Makefile:204: warning: ignoring old commands for target `install-strip' gcc -g -O2 -I../../include -I../../sys -I/usr/local/ssl/include -I/usr/local/ssl/include/openssl -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -fPIC -DPIC \ -I../.. -fomit-frame-pointer -c uams_dhx_passwd.c ; \ ld -shared -o uams_dhx_passwd.so uams_dhx_passwd.o -lcrypto -lrpcsvc -lresolv -lnsl -ldl -ldb -lcrypt -lpam ld: cannot open -lcrypto: No such file or directory make[3]: *** [uams_dhx_passwd.so] Error 1 make[3]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/netatalk/etc/uams' make[2]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1 make[2]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/netatalk/etc' make[1]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1 make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/netatalk' make: *** [all-recursive-am] Error 2 I added a statement to the Makefile, pointing the linker to the directory with -L /usr/local/ssl/lib. Then the compilation is fine. I can use the accompanied script to startup the server. This is what I find in the logs: Feb 25 00:54:13 maul papd[19449]: restart (1.5pre4) Feb 25 00:54:13 maul rc.atalk.redhat.tmpl: timelord startup succeeded Feb 25 00:54:13 maul rc.atalk.redhat.tmpl: afpd startup succeeded Feb 25 00:54:19 maul timelord[19460]: maul:TimeLord started Feb 25 00:54:19 maul afpd[19471]: maul:AFPServer@* started on 65280.112:130 (1.5 pre4) Feb 25 00:54:19 maul afpd[19471]: ASIP started on 10.0.0.151:548(1) (1.5pre4) Feb 25 00:54:19 maul afpd[19471]: uam: uams_guest.so loaded Feb 25 00:54:19 maul afpd[19471]: uam: uams_clrtxt.so loaded Feb 25 00:54:19 maul afpd[19471]: uam: uams_dhx.so loaded Feb 25 00:54:19 maul afpd[19471]: uam: "DHCAST128" available Feb 25 00:54:19 maul afpd[19471]: uam: "Cleartxt Passwrd" available Feb 25 00:54:19 maul afpd[19471]: uam: "No User Authent" available Now, it seems to me, that for registered-users it will encrypt the password using the cast-128 algorithm. Is that right? Because I expected the DES algorithm to be used for this. Maybe this is why I can't login to the server? The symptoms: The Netatalk server appears in the OS X chooser, but when I click on the icon, I don't get an authentication screen and no shared volumes appear. When I do this under MacOS 9, I do get the authentication screen, but I'm only allowed to connect as guest. Possible cause: Well... I _am_ using a beta version of OS X. Maybe there's a bug in the filesharing code. However, I did see messages on this list from people that did manage to get this working. Could you please help me out? Thanks, Marcel From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Sun Feb 25 07:10:17 2001 Return-Path: Received: from kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.25]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id HAA03483 for ; Sun, 25 Feb 2001 07:10:17 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id HAA20766 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Sun, 25 Feb 2001 07:10:16 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id HAA20761 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Sun, 25 Feb 2001 07:10:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from lkmaillx01d.l-k.de ([194.175.113.22]) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id HAA20694 for ; Sun, 25 Feb 2001 07:10:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from l-k.de (unknown [172.25.21.118]) by lkmaillx01d.l-k.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E527701A3 for ; Sun, 25 Feb 2001 13:09:54 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <3A98F304.D3AA8A4C@l-k.de> Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 12:56:52 +0100 From: Christian Loew X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [de]C-CCK-MCD QXW0324y (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: de,en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "netatalk-admins@umich.edu" Subject: unsubscribe Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit unsubscribe From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Sun Feb 25 13:00:18 2001 Return-Path: Received: from funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.27]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id NAA10238 for ; Sun, 25 Feb 2001 13:00:18 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id NAA28597 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Sun, 25 Feb 2001 13:00:12 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id NAA28589 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Sun, 25 Feb 2001 13:00:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from moutvdom01.kundenserver.de (moutvdom01.kundenserver.de [195.20.224.200]) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id NAA28527 for ; Sun, 25 Feb 2001 13:00:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from [195.20.224.219] (helo=mrvdom03.kundenserver.de) by moutvdom01.kundenserver.de with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 14X5Sm-0000Li-00 for netatalk-admins@umich.edu; Sun, 25 Feb 2001 19:00:04 +0100 Received: from p3e9ec6ec.dip0.t-ipconnect.de ([62.158.198.236]) by mrvdom03.kundenserver.de with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 14X5Ss-0004yP-00 for netatalk-admins@umich.edu; Sun, 25 Feb 2001 19:00:11 +0100 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/9.0.3108 Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 18:59:03 +0100 Subject: pre4: can not run ./config.sub From: Thomas Schierle To: Netatalk-Admins Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Hello all, because the pre4.rpm from sourceforge refuses to install onto my suse 7.0 box, I tried to compile from the .tar archive. Since I didn't compile even a single line of code before and my linux knowledge is quite poor, the following error message leaves me sitting clueless in front of the screen: > bob:~/ntalk15pre04/netatalk # ./configure > loading cache ./config.cache > configure: error: can not run ./config.sub Could please anybody point me into the right direction? TIA, -Thomas -- Thomas Schierle, Munich, Germany PGP key [DSS/DH] 0xA23CDA1D available at various public key servers From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Sun Feb 25 14:13:59 2001 Return-Path: Received: from funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.27]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id OAA11653 for ; Sun, 25 Feb 2001 14:13:59 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id OAA10598 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Sun, 25 Feb 2001 14:13:53 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id OAA10570 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Sun, 25 Feb 2001 14:13:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from charlotte.newsargus.com ([216.76.60.8]) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with SMTP id OAA10518 for ; Sun, 25 Feb 2001 14:13:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from 10.0.1.33 by charlotte.newsargus.com (AppleShare IP Mail Server 6.0) id 219647 via TCP with SMTP; Sun, 25 Feb 2001 14:16:39 -0500 Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 11:36:24 -0500 From: David Rouse Subject: Re: Helping Out To: Netatalk Mailing List X-Priority: 3 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20010225141351-r01010600-1745b1bf@10.0.1.33> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; Charset=US-ASCII X-Mailer: Mailsmith 1.1.6 (Bluto) X-Face: LU6-lGo1o,"R4WS wrote: >I think many folks would like to see dropkludge, a DID database, and the >feature that allows files created in netatalk volumes to have the same >ownership and permissions as the parent (correct)? I haven't played with OS X yet, but how does Apple handle that situation (files that have independent ownership)? They would be faced with it with OS X. I appologize if this has been raised before. I've just moved to Netatalk from a commerical Unix AppleTalk package (at least for my home network), so I'm new around here. And so far I've been pleased, the only trouble I've had that I don't think is my fault is with aliases of volumes -- and that seems to be a known issue. -- drouse From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Sun Feb 25 16:23:34 2001 Return-Path: Received: from easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.26]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id QAA14854 for ; Sun, 25 Feb 2001 16:23:34 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id QAA23460 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Sun, 25 Feb 2001 16:23:34 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id QAA23442 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Sun, 25 Feb 2001 16:23:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from charlotte.newsargus.com ([216.76.60.8]) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with SMTP id QAA23394 for ; Sun, 25 Feb 2001 16:23:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from 10.0.1.33 by charlotte.newsargus.com (AppleShare IP Mail Server 6.0) id 219869 via TCP with SMTP; Sun, 25 Feb 2001 16:26:18 -0500 Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 16:23:25 -0500 From: David Rouse Subject: appletalk routing with Solaris? To: Netatalk Mailing List X-Priority: 3 Message-ID: <20010225162329-r01010600-561b70bb@10.0.1.33> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; Charset=US-ASCII X-Mailer: Mailsmith 1.1.6 (Bluto) X-Face: LU6-lGo1o,"R4WS Received: from funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.27]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id QAA15271 for ; Sun, 25 Feb 2001 16:45:14 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id QAA02248 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Sun, 25 Feb 2001 16:45:08 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id QAA02237 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Sun, 25 Feb 2001 16:45:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from dave-world.net (dave-world.net [204.189.73.19]) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id QAA02211 for ; Sun, 25 Feb 2001 16:45:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from heath [205.139.250.148] by dave-world.net (SMTPD32-6.05) id ABF21D0F0230; Sun, 25 Feb 2001 15:41:06 -0600 From: "Heath Henderson" To: "Netatalk Mailing List" Subject: Quick Setup Question Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 15:49:40 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <20010225141351-r01010600-1745b1bf@10.0.1.33> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 I am getting ready to set up a few new servers. I have been reading a lot lately about swap space. One article reads keep it consistent with the about of Physical Ram in the machine. So this would mean if I have 256 MB of Ram, I set the swap to 256. But other articles read keep it consistent up to 64 MB of Ram. Do not set Swap space higher than 64mb. I ask, should I set the swap size above 64 if I have say 192/256/384/512 MB of Ram installed? or should I make sure it sits at 64mb and nothing higher? I want to this right this time. Thanks Heath Henderson From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Sun Feb 25 17:29:51 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from wes@localhost) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with X.500 id RAA16456 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Sun, 25 Feb 2001 17:29:51 -0500 (EST) Received: (from wes@localhost) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with X.500 id RAA16454 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Sun, 25 Feb 2001 17:29:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id RAA16444; Sun, 25 Feb 2001 17:29:47 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <200102252229.RAA16444@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu> From: wesley.craig@umich.edu To: David Rouse cc: Netatalk Mailing List Subject: Re: appletalk routing with Solaris? In-reply-to: Your message of "Sun, 25 Feb 2001 16:23:25 EST." <20010225162329-r01010600-561b70bb@10.0.1.33> Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 17:29:46 -0500 Sender: wes@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu > From: David Rouse > To: Netatalk Mailing List > Can anyone point out what I've done wrong, or is that my setup just doesn't > support AppleTalk routing? As I released it, the Solaris kernel module won't route. Someone could have added it, and in fact it would be fairly easy to add, since it already implements is a multi-interface routing table. If someone decides to work on it, I am available for free advice from the sidelines :) :wes From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Mon Feb 26 03:17:10 2001 Return-Path: Received: from funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.27]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id DAA29190 for ; Mon, 26 Feb 2001 03:17:10 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id DAA10764 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Mon, 26 Feb 2001 03:17:03 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id DAA10753 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Mon, 26 Feb 2001 03:17:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from nantes.inra.fr (nantes.inra.fr [195.221.36.8]) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id DAA10722 for ; Mon, 26 Feb 2001 03:17:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from nantes.inra.fr (uiclinux [193.50.23.216]) by nantes.inra.fr (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id JAA04675; Mon, 26 Feb 2001 09:12:51 GMT Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 09:16:23 +0100 From: REYNAUD Jean-Samuel To: Thomas Schierle Cc: netatalk mailing list Subject: Re: pre4: can not run ./config.sub Message-ID: <20010226091623.C333@uiclinux.nantes.inra.fr> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: ; from ts@visual-s.de on Sun, Feb 25, 2001 at 18:59:03 +0100 X-Mailer: Balsa 1.1.1 Lines: 25 On 2001.02.25 18:59:03 +0100 Thomas Schierle wrote: > Hello all, > > because the pre4.rpm from sourceforge refuses to install > onto my suse 7.0 box, I tried to compile from the .tar archive. > > Since I didn't compile even a single line of code before and > my linux knowledge is quite poor, the following error message > leaves me sitting clueless in front of the screen: > > > bob:~/ntalk15pre04/netatalk # ./configure > > loading cache ./config.cache > > configure: error: can not run ./config.sub > > Could please anybody point me into the right direction? > aclocal/autoconf/automake/libtools tools must be installed (in this tar, config.sub is a link : lrwxrwxrwx 1 other other 29 Feb 26 09:11 config.sub -> config.sub) check the directory /usr/share/libtool/ -- REYNAUD Jean-Samuel From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Mon Feb 26 18:26:41 2001 Return-Path: Received: from easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.26]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id SAA25369 for ; Mon, 26 Feb 2001 18:26:41 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id SAA12117 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Mon, 26 Feb 2001 18:26:41 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id SAA12093 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Mon, 26 Feb 2001 18:26:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from moutvdom00.kundenserver.de (moutvdom00.kundenserver.de [195.20.224.149]) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id SAA12040 for ; Mon, 26 Feb 2001 18:26:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from [195.20.224.219] (helo=mrvdom03.kundenserver.de) by moutvdom00.kundenserver.de with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 14XX2L-0005we-00 for netatalk-admins@umich.edu; Tue, 27 Feb 2001 00:26:37 +0100 Received: from pd4b892d9.dip0.t-ipconnect.de ([212.184.146.217]) by mrvdom03.kundenserver.de with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 14XX2F-0002ri-00 for netatalk-admins@umich.edu; Tue, 27 Feb 2001 00:26:34 +0100 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/9.0.3108 Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 00:25:22 +0100 Subject: Re: pre4: can not run ./config.sub From: Thomas Schierle To: Netatalk-Admins Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20010226091623.C333@uiclinux.nantes.inra.fr> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit On 01-02-26 09:16 +0100, REYNAUD Jean-Samuel wrote: > > On 2001.02.25 18:59:03 +0100 Thomas Schierle wrote: >> Hello all, >> >> because the pre4.rpm from sourceforge refuses to install >> onto my suse 7.0 box, I tried to compile from the .tar archive. >> >> Since I didn't compile even a single line of code before and >> my linux knowledge is quite poor, the following error message >> leaves me sitting clueless in front of the screen: >> >>> bob:~/ntalk15pre04/netatalk # ./configure >>> loading cache ./config.cache >>> configure: error: can not run ./config.sub >> >> Could please anybody point me into the right direction? >> > aclocal/autoconf/automake/libtools tools must be installed > (in this tar, config.sub is a link : > lrwxrwxrwx 1 other other 29 Feb 26 09:11 config.sub -> config.sub) > check the directory /usr/share/libtool/ Thanks, Jean-Samuel -- I have: /usr/share/autoconf /usr/share/automake /usr/share/aclocal filled with all kinds of nifty stuff :-) in fact, there is no /usr/share/libtools directory ... At the suse install CD, I was able to find a package named "libtool", (Tool to create "shared libraries"). I'll install right now and see if I get pre4 compiled tomorrow. Again, thanks a lot, I for sure would not have been able to figure out the missing piece on my own. -Thomas ... a couple of minutes later: I was able to configure without any problems :-))) -- Thomas Schierle, Munich, Germany PGP key [DSS/DH] 0xA23CDA1D available at various public key servers From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Mon Feb 26 20:37:36 2001 Return-Path: Received: from funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.27]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id UAA28932 for ; Mon, 26 Feb 2001 20:37:36 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id UAA20792 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Mon, 26 Feb 2001 20:37:28 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id UAA20765 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Mon, 26 Feb 2001 20:37:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from bureau6.utcc.utoronto.ca (bureau6.utcc.utoronto.ca [128.100.132.16]) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id UAA20685 for ; Mon, 26 Feb 2001 20:37:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from gandalf.java.utoronto.ca ([142.150.64.91] EHLO utoronto.ca ident: NO-IDENT-SERVICE [port 8070]) by bureau6.utcc.utoronto.ca with ESMTP id <464380-16883>; Mon, 26 Feb 2001 20:37:03 -0500 Sender: nhoelz@utoronto.ca Message-ID: <3A9B0476.3ED78668@utoronto.ca> Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 20:35:50 -0500 From: nhoelz Organization: CAAT University of Toronto X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (X11; I; IRIX 6.2 IP22) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: netatalk-admins@umich.edu Subject: Solaris compilation Problem Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello netatalk admins, compiling the netatalk source on a solaris 7 with gcc 2.95.2 and the later with the native solaris compiler I get the following error messages..... 1.) For gcc: # make Making all for solaris... make[1]: Entering directory `/opt2/home/local/src/netatalk/netatalk14b2/netatalk-1.4b2/sys/solaris' gcc -D_KERNEL -mno-app-regs -munaligned-doubles -fpcc-struct-return -D__svr4__ -DSOLARIS -O -I../../include -I../netatalk -c ddptp_rdq.c -o ddptp_rdq.o ddptp_rdq.c:45: conflicting types for `putnext' /usr/include/sys/stream.h:710: previous declaration of `putnext' make[1]: *** [ddptp_rdq.o] Error 1 make[1]: Leaving directory `/opt2/home/local/src/netatalk/netatalk14b2/netatalk-1.4b2/sys/solaris' make: *** [all] Error 2 2.) For cc: # make cc -D_KERNEL -D__svr4__ -DSOLARIS -O -I../../include -I../netatalk -c ddptp_rdq.c -o ddptp_rdq.o "ddptp_rdq.c", line 45: identifier redeclared: putnext current : function(pointer to struct queue {pointer to struct qinit {..} q_qinfo, pointer to struct msgb {..} q_first, pointer to stru... previous: function(pointer to struct queue {pointer to struct qinit {..} q_qinfo, pointer to struct msgb {..} q_first, pointer to stru... : "/usr/include/sys/stream.h", line 710 cc: acomp failed for ddptp_rdq.c make: *** [ddptp_rdq.o] Error 2 Do you see something wrong with how ddptp_rdq.c is trying to use streams.h.... Do you have a suggestion on how to fix this problem??? 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From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Tue Feb 27 08:39:09 2001 Return-Path: Received: from easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.26]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id IAA19278 for ; Tue, 27 Feb 2001 08:39:09 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id IAA25616 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Tue, 27 Feb 2001 08:39:09 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id IAA25600 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Tue, 27 Feb 2001 08:39:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from rakete.joerdens.de ([62.104.116.200]) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id IAA25098 for ; Tue, 27 Feb 2001 08:38:51 -0500 (EST) Received: (from frank@localhost) by rakete.joerdens.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA31101; Tue, 27 Feb 2001 14:38:33 +0100 Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 14:38:33 +0100 From: Frank Joerdens To: Jesus Cc: netatalk-admins@umich.edu Subject: Re: Problems in spanish characters exchange Message-ID: <20010227143833.A30932@rakete.joerdens.de> References: <002b01c09c32$0c360aa0$1a00a8c0@macserver> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Mutt/1.1.2i In-Reply-To: <002b01c09c32$0c360aa0$1a00a8c0@macserver>; from jolivan@interaccionbcn.com on Wed, Feb 21, 2001 at 07:13:48PM +0100 X-Subliminal-Message: Use Linux! Use Linux! On Wed, Feb 21, 2001 at 07:13:48PM +0100, Jesus wrote: > > Greetings, > > > > > > We are running a new Linux box for experimenting with it as an > Netatalk server for files exchange between an Apple network and the PC > side, through SAMBA. Though, we are experimenting some strange errors > when sharing files with accented letters and with spanish-specyfical > symbols / letters, like "ń" and "ē" . Might it be a misconfiguration > or are we skipping any option in the Apple//Linux/Windows side? On the Samba side, use [global] character set = iso8859-1 in the smb.conf file, and on the Netatalk end /path/to/volume volumename codepage=maccode.iso8859-1 in e.g. Applevolumes.default. What's actually _way_ cooler is if you use the mswindows option instead of the codepage. This would enforce the same iso8859-1 (I am actually not 100% as to whether your Spanish characters are included there; it's what I do for German umlauts) page but also make it impossible for Mac users to create filenames containing characters that are forbidden under Windows, such as ?:\/*<>|. Unfortunately, I haven't come across a version of netatalk yet where this works (and I tried most of the versions that are currently in circulation), as the codepage support appears to be broken in all the current snapshots. If you manage to dig up such a version, please let me know!!! The solution with the codepage works OK for the most part here (except my Windows box crashes sometimes when it comes across a filename containing ':'). The most serious restricion in this Windows/Mac scenario actually is that Samba and Netatalk use incompatible locking mechanisms to determine whether a file is currently being accessed. This may cause havoc if a Mac and a Windows user are trying to access the same file simultaneously. This hasn't happende here yet, curiously. It's about 10 Macs and 5 Windows users accessing a Linux box with Netatalk/Samba which has been running for about 6 months. Regards, Frank From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Tue Feb 27 09:23:37 2001 Return-Path: Received: from funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.27]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id JAA20499 for ; Tue, 27 Feb 2001 09:23:37 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id JAA15561 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Tue, 27 Feb 2001 09:23:29 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id JAA15557 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Tue, 27 Feb 2001 09:23:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from univrel.pr.uconn.edu (univrel.pr.uconn.edu [137.99.59.30]) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id JAA15521 for ; Tue, 27 Feb 2001 09:23:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from univrel.pr.uconn.edu (root@test.pr.uconn.edu [137.99.59.90]) by univrel.pr.uconn.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id JAA22356; Tue, 27 Feb 2001 09:23:30 -0500 Sender: root@univrel.pr.uconn.edu Message-ID: <3A9BB7D2.FD5DC084@univrel.pr.uconn.edu> Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 09:21:06 -0500 From: jeff X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.0-0.14mdk i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Thomas Schierle CC: Netatalk-Admins Subject: Re: pre4: can not run ./config.sub References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thomas Schierle wrote: > Thanks, Jean-Samuel -- I have: > > /usr/share/autoconf > /usr/share/automake > /usr/share/aclocal > > filled with all kinds of nifty stuff :-) > in fact, there is no /usr/share/libtools directory ... > > At the suse install CD, I was able to find a package named > "libtool", (Tool to create "shared libraries"). I'll install > right now and see if I get pre4 compiled tomorrow. > > Again, thanks a lot, I for sure would not have been able > to figure out the missing piece on my own. > > -Thomas > > ... a couple of minutes later: I was able to configure > without any problems :-))) I'll update the list of packages in the README if they aren't there already. jeff From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Tue Feb 27 15:48:43 2001 Return-Path: Received: from funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.27]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id PAA02530 for ; Tue, 27 Feb 2001 15:48:43 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id PAA17236 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Tue, 27 Feb 2001 15:48:37 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id PAA17226 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Tue, 27 Feb 2001 15:48:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from univrel.pr.uconn.edu (univrel.pr.uconn.edu [137.99.59.30]) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id PAA17215 for ; Tue, 27 Feb 2001 15:48:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from univrel.pr.uconn.edu (root@test.pr.uconn.edu [137.99.59.90]) by univrel.pr.uconn.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id PAA26136; Tue, 27 Feb 2001 15:48:32 -0500 Sender: root@univrel.pr.uconn.edu Message-ID: <3A9C1210.BF93CEB@univrel.pr.uconn.edu> Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 15:46:08 -0500 From: jeff X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.0-0.14mdk i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Marc J. Miller" CC: Chip Mefford , "Daniel E. Lautenschleger" , Netatalk Mailing List , netatalk-devel@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: Helping Out References: <5.0.2.1.0.20010224120744.00a60ec0@127.0.0.1> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit "Marc J. Miller" wrote: > >What's Dropkludge? I assume it is some kludge to mimic the > >AppleShare Server "drop box" world write/owner rwx thingee. > > That's how it started... I eventually discovered that the same permission > handling that was preventing Dropboxes from working was also creating other > bugs. So I made the changes universal. It not only maintains rwx > permissions, but it also makes sure that every file created within a > directory has the same owner and group as the directory itself. That's > what Mac expects. Unfortunately, I've run into a couple of difficulties -- > a known security hole which is extremely well-documented on Sourceforge > (check the DocManager) and a difficulty that when someone drops a folder > into a dropbox, the dropped folder also becomes a dropbox, owned by whoever > dropped it there. That's related to the setgid being set on the dropbox > and permission inheritance. Sorry about the lateness of this email. Are you saying that there are security problems inherant in matching file permissions to directory permissions, or that there specifically a problem with matching file permissions to directory permissions where they are world accessable ... ? I only ask because I was looking at making dropkludge available by share, which may be a good idea, but also may still pose a security concern. What's your opinion on that? --SNIP-- > We have a TODO list in the CVS. That seems like a good starting point... > perhaps someone (Jeff?!) could update the bug tracker with some of the info > there and decide what bugs are critical, what bugs could wait for now, etc. I've been running through the bugs list, patching the ones I can, and marking down the ones for 1.4b2 and other older versions. If anyone else would like to help me run through the bugs list, it would be much appreciated. jeff (as usual, with tremendous apologies for the cross-posting) From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Tue Feb 27 16:12:33 2001 Return-Path: Received: from funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.27]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id QAA03629 for ; Tue, 27 Feb 2001 16:12:33 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id QAA17595 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Tue, 27 Feb 2001 16:12:27 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id QAA17576 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Tue, 27 Feb 2001 16:12:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from runner.ucdavis.edu (runner.ucdavis.edu [169.237.105.37]) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id QAA17544 for ; Tue, 27 Feb 2001 16:12:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (itlm019@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by runner.ucdavis.edu (8.11.1/8.11.0/IT4.4.8) with ESMTP id f1RLCJV00227; Tue, 27 Feb 2001 13:12:19 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 13:12:19 -0800 (PST) From: Marc Miller X-Sender: itlm019@runner.ucdavis.edu To: jeff cc: Chip Mefford , "Daniel E. Lautenschleger" , Netatalk Mailing List , netatalk-devel@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: Helping Out In-Reply-To: <3A9C1210.BF93CEB@univrel.pr.uconn.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I'd say RTFM, but briefly... There is no problem with dropbox as long as you can avoid these scenarios: * Dropping a folder into a dropbox * Placing data in a dropbox that you wouldn't want any user with shell access to be able to get to. If they can guess the file name, they can copy it right out. I have a feeling it's because of the file being opened RDWR when it only needs to be opened WR. That way I could turn off setting the world-read bit and the file would still write correctly. But I haven't had a chance to try that out. On Tue, 27 Feb 2001, jeff wrote: > "Marc J. Miller" wrote: > > >What's Dropkludge? I assume it is some kludge to mimic the > > >AppleShare Server "drop box" world write/owner rwx thingee. > > > > That's how it started... I eventually discovered that the same permission > > handling that was preventing Dropboxes from working was also creating other > > bugs. So I made the changes universal. It not only maintains rwx > > permissions, but it also makes sure that every file created within a > > directory has the same owner and group as the directory itself. That's > > what Mac expects. Unfortunately, I've run into a couple of difficulties -- > > a known security hole which is extremely well-documented on Sourceforge > > (check the DocManager) and a difficulty that when someone drops a folder > > into a dropbox, the dropped folder also becomes a dropbox, owned by whoever > > dropped it there. That's related to the setgid being set on the dropbox > > and permission inheritance. > > Sorry about the lateness of this email. > > Are you saying that there are security problems inherant in matching > file permissions to directory permissions, or that there specifically a > problem with matching file permissions to directory permissions where > they are world accessable ... ? > > I only ask because I was looking at making dropkludge available by > share, which may be a good idea, but also may still pose a security > concern. What's your opinion on that? > > --SNIP-- > > > We have a TODO list in the CVS. That seems like a good starting point... > > perhaps someone (Jeff?!) could update the bug tracker with some of the info > > there and decide what bugs are critical, what bugs could wait for now, etc. > > I've been running through the bugs list, patching the ones I can, and > marking down the ones for 1.4b2 and other older versions. > > If anyone else would like to help me run through the bugs list, it would > be much appreciated. > > jeff > > (as usual, with tremendous apologies for the cross-posting) > ============================================================ /\/\arc ._|. /\/\iller (itlm019@mailbox.ucdavis.edu) Computer Room Consultant Information Technology/Lab Management ============================================================ I can be contacted through the Communication Center link from http://www.mother.com/~mjmiller/ From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Tue Feb 27 16:40:30 2001 Return-Path: Received: from easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.26]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id QAA04483 for ; Tue, 27 Feb 2001 16:40:29 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id QAA19494 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Tue, 27 Feb 2001 16:40:29 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id QAA19474 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Tue, 27 Feb 2001 16:40:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from dante.kinkaid.org (dante.kinkaid.org [207.80.142.250]) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id QAA19420 for ; Tue, 27 Feb 2001 16:40:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from [172.16.70.70] (cmorillo.kinkaid.org [172.16.70.70]) by dante.kinkaid.org (8.10.2/8.10.2) with ESMTP id f1RLeMu15860 for ; Tue, 27 Feb 2001 15:40:22 -0600 User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.01 (1630) Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 15:40:22 -0600 Subject: Re: Quick Setup Question [offtopic] From: C To: Netatalk Mailing List Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit on 2/25/01 3:49 PM, Heath Henderson at heath@dave-world.net wrote: > I am getting ready to set up a few new servers. I have been reading a lot > lately about swap space. One article reads keep it consistent with the > about of Physical Ram in the machine. So this would mean if I have 256 MB > of Ram, I set the swap to 256. But other articles read keep it consistent > up to 64 MB of Ram. Do not set Swap space higher than 64mb. > > I ask, should I set the swap size above 64 if I have say 192/256/384/512 MB > of Ram installed? or should I make sure it sits at 64mb and nothing higher? > I want to this right this time. > > Thanks > > Heath Henderson > This is really more a Server-Linux question rather than a Netatalk question, but in any case... Linux (at least I know fer sure RH does) has a 128MB swap partition size, so using 256MB of swap space would require you make two separate partitions of 128MB each. How much swap your machine uses, of course, will completely depend on the usage pattern for your particular site. If it helps, I have a file server doing Samba, Netatalk, and printing for about 250 users, 256MB RAM, 128MB partition for swap, and it NEVER uses it's swap space (ok, ok, it did use 300K of swap once). If you plan on running X on these servers, that will use lots more RAM. A better way to guage your needs is to go to an existing server (assuming its linux), and run vmstat (see the man pages on vmstat for explanation) at the busiest time of the day and work from there. C. From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Tue Feb 27 17:03:35 2001 Return-Path: Received: from kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.25]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id RAA05216 for ; Tue, 27 Feb 2001 17:03:35 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id RAA15537 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Tue, 27 Feb 2001 17:03:35 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id RAA15519 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Tue, 27 Feb 2001 17:03:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from mulchmedia.com ([204.233.247.254]) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id RAA15470 for ; Tue, 27 Feb 2001 17:03:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from [216.172.210.133] (HELO nirgal) by mulchmedia.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 3.1) with SMTP id 373520 for netatalk-admins@umich.edu; Tue, 27 Feb 2001 16:03:31 -0600 Message-ID: <001e01c0a0f8$46dd0f80$65c7a8c0@dothegood.com> From: "Eric Hillman" To: Subject: Permissions Problems (or: Spare a clue for a newbie, guv'nor?) Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 14:02:55 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 I've been wrestling with netatalk 1.5pre4 on a RH Linux 7.0 box all day, and I'm on the verge of complete collapse here. I imagine this is a simple problem, but I can't seem to see it, and the documentation is somewhat, um, oblique, particularly for those of us unfamiliar with AppleTalk to begin with. Anyways, after much finagling, I have finally managed to get users able to log in and view their home directories. Unfortunately, they can't create files there. The error the user gets is generally something along the lines of "cannot create file (file locked)." with buttons for "Stop" and "Continue". Whichever I choose, the user can succesfully create an empty file, which they can open, but not edit or delete (errors are usually similar to the above although occasionally an "error -50" will occur.) On the server, I'm getting messages like: setdirowner: chown 16777216/-1 .AppleDouble/.Parent: Invalid argument setdirowner: chown -1/0 .AppleDouble/.Parent: Operation not Permitted I'm sure it's a permission or configuration problem, but nothing I try seems to change this behavior. What am I missing here? -- Eric Hillman eric@dothegood.com From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Tue Feb 27 17:18:04 2001 Return-Path: Received: from easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.26]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id RAA05880 for ; Tue, 27 Feb 2001 17:18:04 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id RAA25273 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Tue, 27 Feb 2001 17:18:03 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id RAA25258 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Tue, 27 Feb 2001 17:18:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from www.molbio.wisc.edu (www.molbio.wisc.edu [144.92.19.124]) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with SMTP id RAA25166 for ; Tue, 27 Feb 2001 17:18:00 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 5978 invoked by uid 500); 27 Feb 2001 22:17:47 -0000 Received: from localhost (sendmail-bs@127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 27 Feb 2001 22:17:47 -0000 Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 16:17:47 -0600 (CST) From: "Daniel E. Lautenschleger" To: Eric Hillman cc: Subject: Re: Permissions Problems (or: Spare a clue for a newbie, guv'nor?) In-Reply-To: <001e01c0a0f8$46dd0f80$65c7a8c0@dothegood.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I have also found this to be true... -Dan On Tue, 27 Feb 2001, Eric Hillman wrote: > I've been wrestling with netatalk 1.5pre4 on a RH Linux 7.0 box all day, > and I'm on the verge of complete collapse here. I imagine this is a simple > problem, but I can't seem to see it, and the documentation is somewhat, um, > oblique, particularly for those of us unfamiliar with AppleTalk to begin > with. > > Anyways, after much finagling, I have finally managed to get users able to > log in and view their home directories. Unfortunately, they can't create > files there. The error the user gets is generally something along the lines > of "cannot create file (file locked)." with buttons for "Stop" and > "Continue". Whichever I choose, the user can succesfully create an empty > file, which they can open, but not edit or delete (errors are usually > similar to the above although occasionally an "error -50" will occur.) > > On the server, I'm getting messages like: > > setdirowner: chown 16777216/-1 .AppleDouble/.Parent: Invalid argument > setdirowner: chown -1/0 .AppleDouble/.Parent: Operation not Permitted > > I'm sure it's a permission or configuration problem, but nothing I try seems > to change this behavior. What am I missing here? > > -- > Eric Hillman > eric@dothegood.com > > > -- Daniel E. Lautenschleger University of Wisconsin R.M. Bock Laboratories Network Administrator and Computer Support dan@www.molbio.wisc.edu From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Tue Feb 27 17:19:29 2001 Return-Path: Received: from easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.26]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id RAA05946 for ; Tue, 27 Feb 2001 17:19:29 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id RAA27802 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Tue, 27 Feb 2001 17:19:29 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id RAA27781 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Tue, 27 Feb 2001 17:19:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from paceantipiracy.com ([198.144.205.67]) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with SMTP id RAA27737 for ; Tue, 27 Feb 2001 17:19:27 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <200102272219.RAA27737@easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu> Received: (qmail 14784 invoked from network); 27 Feb 2001 22:20:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO localhost) (198.144.205.66) by dmz.paceap.com with SMTP; 27 Feb 2001 22:20:18 -0000 Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 14:19:40 -0800 From: Christopher Taylor Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Permissions Problems (or: Spare a clue for a newbie, guv'nor?) Cc: To: "Eric Hillman" X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.377) In-Reply-To: <001e01c0a0f8$46dd0f80$65c7a8c0@dothegood.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v377) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'm also having the same problem, except I'm on Mandrake 7.2 (but it's also RedHat based). -Chris On Tuesday, February 27, 2001, at 12:02 PM, Eric Hillman wrote: > I've been wrestling with netatalk 1.5pre4 on a RH Linux 7.0 box all > day, > and I'm on the verge of complete collapse here. I imagine this is a > simple > problem, but I can't seem to see it, and the documentation is somewhat, > um, > oblique, particularly for those of us unfamiliar with AppleTalk to begin > with. > > Anyways, after much finagling, I have finally managed to get users able > to > log in and view their home directories. Unfortunately, they can't > create > files there. The error the user gets is generally something along the > lines > of "cannot create file (file locked)." with buttons for "Stop" and > "Continue". Whichever I choose, the user can succesfully create an > empty > file, which they can open, but not edit or delete (errors are usually > similar to the above although occasionally an "error -50" will occur.) > > On the server, I'm getting messages like: > > setdirowner: chown 16777216/-1 .AppleDouble/.Parent: Invalid argument > setdirowner: chown -1/0 .AppleDouble/.Parent: Operation not Permitted > > I'm sure it's a permission or configuration problem, but nothing I try > seems > to change this behavior. What am I missing here? > > -- > Eric Hillman > eric@dothegood.com > > > From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Tue Feb 27 17:41:48 2001 Return-Path: Received: from easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.26]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id RAA06732 for ; Tue, 27 Feb 2001 17:41:47 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id RAA06766 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Tue, 27 Feb 2001 17:41:47 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id RAA06755 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Tue, 27 Feb 2001 17:41:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from email.wm.edu (mars.wm.edu [128.239.10.11]) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id RAA06714 for ; Tue, 27 Feb 2001 17:41:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from unix1 (unix1.wm.edu [128.239.10.21]) by email.wm.edu (2.1.2/8.9.1/Execmail 2.1) with ESMTP id RAA13792; Tue, 27 Feb 2001 17:41:38 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 18:00:30 -0500 (EST) From: Rob Lineweaver To: C cc: Netatalk Mailing List Subject: Re: Quick Setup Question [offtopic] In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > > Linux (at least I know fer sure RH does) has a 128MB swap partition size, so > using 256MB of swap space would require you make two separate partitions of > 128MB each. I know this is OT for this list, but the above statement is no longer correct. The swap size limitation is a kernel issue (so it is not RH-specific), and it has been lifted since the beginning of the 2.2.x kernel series (according to this document, the limit is now 2 GB for most architectures: http://www-106.ibm.com/developerworks/library/swaptip2.html). In other words it has been fixed for years -- time to upgrade? Rob Lineweaver (happily running RH with a 300 MB swap partition, and Linux/PPC with 160 MB) From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Tue Feb 27 20:43:57 2001 Return-Path: Received: from kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.25]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id UAA13019 for ; Tue, 27 Feb 2001 20:43:57 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id UAA20349 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Tue, 27 Feb 2001 20:43:57 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id UAA20341 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Tue, 27 Feb 2001 20:43:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from moutvdom00.kundenserver.de (moutvdom00.kundenserver.de [195.20.224.149]) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id UAA20331 for ; Tue, 27 Feb 2001 20:43:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from [195.20.224.209] (helo=mrvdom02.schlund.de) by moutvdom00.kundenserver.de with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 14Xvek-0003IS-00 for netatalk-admins@umich.edu; Wed, 28 Feb 2001 02:43:54 +0100 Received: from pc19eaae0.dip0.t-ipconnect.de ([193.158.170.224]) by mrvdom02.schlund.de with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 14Xvfb-0006md-00 for netatalk-admins@umich.edu; Wed, 28 Feb 2001 02:44:48 +0100 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/9.0.3108 Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 02:42:34 +0100 Subject: Re: Helping Out From: Thomas Schierle To: Netatalk-Admins Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit On 01-02-27 22:12 +0100, Marc Miller wrote: > There is no problem with dropbox as long as you can avoid these scenarios: > > * Dropping a folder into a dropbox doesn't work for ASIP as well ... therefore getting DROPCLUDGE completely operational would add a true unique feature to netatalk :-)) -- Thomas Schierle, Munich, Germany PGP key [DSS/DH] 0xA23CDA1D available at various public key servers From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Tue Feb 27 21:15:58 2001 Return-Path: Received: from funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.27]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id VAA13919 for ; Tue, 27 Feb 2001 21:15:58 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id VAA22689 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Tue, 27 Feb 2001 21:15:52 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id VAA22680 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Tue, 27 Feb 2001 21:15:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from dave-world.net (dave-world.net [204.189.73.19]) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id VAA22672 for ; Tue, 27 Feb 2001 21:15:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from heath [205.139.250.148] by dave-world.net (SMTPD32-6.05) id AE6426D30284; Tue, 27 Feb 2001 20:11:48 -0600 From: "Heath Henderson" To: Subject: Password Change ? Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 20:20:27 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <200102272219.RAA27737@easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Importance: Normal I am using RH 6.2 with encrypted Passwords and OS 8.6 / 9.x I want to be able to allow users to change their passwords? How do I enable this feature. Every time I try I get an error that it was unable to save the password. Thanks Heath Henderson From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Tue Feb 27 22:44:12 2001 Return-Path: Received: from kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.25]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id WAA15764 for ; Tue, 27 Feb 2001 22:44:12 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id WAA17136 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Tue, 27 Feb 2001 22:44:12 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id WAA17126 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Tue, 27 Feb 2001 22:44:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from kakapo.cs.auckland.ac.nz (kakapo.cs.auckland.ac.nz [130.216.34.10]) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id WAA17093 for ; Tue, 27 Feb 2001 22:44:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from [130.216.108.120] (bobby.cs.auckland.ac.nz [130.216.108.120]) by kakapo.cs.auckland.ac.nz (8.8.6/8.8.6/cs-master) with ESMTP id QAA03301 for ; Wed, 28 Feb 2001 16:44:06 +1300 (NZDT) (sender bobby@cs.auckland.ac.nz) User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Thu, 01 Mar 2001 12:48:23 +1300 Subject: start script From: Paramjit Cheema To: Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit i have just installed netatalk netatalk-1.4b2+asun2.1.3 on red hat 7.1 . When i tried to run /rc.atalk.redhat start i got the followin error starting appletalk daemons: 5280.221: attribute not found. atalkdnbp_rgstr: Connection timed out Can't register griffin:Workstation@* nbp_rgstr: Connection timed out Can't register griffin:netatalk@* nbprgstr papd. any help would be greatly appreciated cheers bobby From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Wed Feb 28 00:39:45 2001 Return-Path: Received: from funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.27]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id AAA18784 for ; Wed, 28 Feb 2001 00:39:45 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id AAA02416 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Wed, 28 Feb 2001 00:39:39 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id AAA02411 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Wed, 28 Feb 2001 00:39:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from clever.visp-europe.psi.com (clever.visp-europe.psi.com [212.222.105.4]) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id AAA02400 for ; Wed, 28 Feb 2001 00:39:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from n37-39.berlin.snafu.de ([195.21.37.39] helo=athlet.deltaman.de) by clever.visp-europe.psi.com with esmtp (Exim 3.22 #1) id 14XzKw-0005aT-00 for netatalk-admins@umich.edu; Wed, 28 Feb 2001 06:39:42 +0100 Received: from athlet (root@athlet.deltaman.de [192.168.1.1]) by athlet.deltaman.de (8.9.3/8.9.3/SuSE Linux 8.9.3-0.1) with SMTP id GAA01969 for ; Wed, 28 Feb 2001 06:39:16 +0100 From: Carsten Neumann Reply-To: deltor@snafu.de To: netatalk-admins@umich.edu Subject: Re: start script Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 06:38:48 +0100 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.0.28] Content-Type: text/plain References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <01022806374100.00588@athlet> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu id AAA18784 On Thu, 01 Mar 2001, Paramjit Cheema wrote: > i have just installed netatalk netatalk-1.4b2+asun2.1.3 on red hat 7.1 . > When i tried to run /rc.atalk.redhat start i got the followin error I would recommend NOT to place your starup script in your root directory but somewhere in /sbin/init.d, /etc/rc.d, or whereever your start/shutdown scripts are located! > > > starting appletalk daemons: 5280.221: attribute not found. > atalkdnbp_rgstr: Connection timed out > Can't register griffin:Workstation@* > nbp_rgstr: Connection timed out > Can't register griffin:netatalk@* > nbprgstr papd. Is appletalk compiled into your kernel or as a module? How does your atalkd.conf file look? Are the DDP ports in your /etc/services? > > any help would be greatly appreciated > > > > cheers > > bobby Regards Carsten From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Wed Feb 28 10:12:43 2001 Return-Path: Received: from funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.27]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id KAA01072 for ; Wed, 28 Feb 2001 10:12:43 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id KAA01076 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Wed, 28 Feb 2001 10:12:37 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id KAA01053 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Wed, 28 Feb 2001 10:12:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from univrel.pr.uconn.edu (univrel.pr.uconn.edu [137.99.59.30]) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id KAA00999 for ; Wed, 28 Feb 2001 10:12:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from univrel.pr.uconn.edu (root@test.pr.uconn.edu [137.99.59.90]) by univrel.pr.uconn.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id KAA31508; Wed, 28 Feb 2001 10:12:17 -0500 Sender: root@univrel.pr.uconn.edu Message-ID: <3A9D14BF.75D0848E@univrel.pr.uconn.edu> Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 10:09:51 -0500 From: jeff X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.0-0.14mdk i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Heath Henderson CC: netatalk-admins@umich.edu Subject: Re: Password Change ? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Heath Henderson wrote: > I am using RH 6.2 with encrypted Passwords and OS 8.6 / 9.x > > I want to be able to allow users to change their passwords? How do I enable > this feature. Every time I try I get an error that it was unable to save > the password. Are you using randnum authentication? If you are, the /etc/atalk/afppasswd file (or wherever it is on your system) needs to have the ability to be world readable/writable, which is a security hazard. There is support in the code for ~/.afppasswd files, which is currently disabled, I believe. jeff From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Wed Feb 28 12:53:30 2001 Return-Path: Received: from kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.25]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id MAA06096 for ; Wed, 28 Feb 2001 12:53:29 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id MAA14393 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Wed, 28 Feb 2001 12:53:29 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id MAA14381 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Wed, 28 Feb 2001 12:53:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from schilling.ucdavis.edu (schilling.ucdavis.edu [169.237.105.1]) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id MAA14355 for ; Wed, 28 Feb 2001 12:53:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from prometheus.mailbox.ucdavis.edu (iras-3-62.ucdavis.edu [169.237.17.62]) by schilling.ucdavis.edu (8.11.1/8.11.0/IT4.4.8) with ESMTP id f1SHrKh02308; Wed, 28 Feb 2001 09:53:20 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <5.0.2.1.0.20010228093339.00a6bc20@127.0.0.1> X-Sender: itlm019/mailbox.ucdavis.edu@127.0.0.1 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0.2 Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 09:49:09 -0800 To: "Florian Schedler" , "Netatalk Mailing List" From: "Marc J. Miller" Subject: chown invalid argument (was: Re: AW: Still Only Cleartext) In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Looks familiar to me too. If you're using a netatalk 1.5 prerelease and you have either ADMIN_GRP or DROPKLUDGE turned on, I think that's my bailiwick and I need to know what platform and flavor you two using to fix it (e.g. Red Hat Linux 7, FreeBSD, Debian Linux 2.2, etc.). That's an awfully large uid, though... 16 million user names is a lot. Is it possible that the number is too big and we've run into a limitation of chown? To be honest, my priorities are actually elsewhere at the moment. That's the trouble with being a student employee with no one to take my place when I graduate; everything has to get done ASAP and left in good order and I only have two or maybe three weeks left. Since this looks like it could be a mission-critical thing for my group as well, I'm willing to bump it up to the top of my list if no one else is willing to work on it. (translation: will someone *please* investigate so that I don't have to?) At 11:22 PM 2/23/01 +0100, Florian Schedler wrote: >About your last log. The same thing happened to me today. As a result, when >I try to move a file into that directory i get a popup telling me I don't >have enough rights, but the file gets copied anyways. How can you give afpd >enough permissions to perform this operation? > > > What the heck is this??? > > > > Feb 22 10:49:25 itchy afpd[3038]: setdirowner: chown 16777216/-1 > > .AppleDouble/.Parent: Invalid argument > > Feb 22 10:49:25 itchy afpd[3038]: setdirowner: chown 16777216/-1 > > .AppleDouble: Invalid argument > > Feb 22 10:49:25 itchy afpd[3038]: setdirowner: chown 16777216/-1 .: > > Invalid argument > > Feb 22 10:49:25 itchy afpd[3038]: setdirowner: chown -1/0 > > .AppleDouble/.Parent: Operation not permitted > > Feb 22 10:49:25 itchy afpd[3038]: setdirowner: chown 16777216/-1 > > .AppleDouble/.Parent: Invalid argument > > Feb 22 10:49:25 itchy afpd[3038]: setdirowner: chown 16777216/-1 > > .AppleDouble: Invalid argument > > Feb 22 10:49:25 itchy afpd[3038]: setdirowner: chown 16777216/-1 .: > > Invalid argument > > Feb 22 10:49:25 itchy afpd[3038]: setdirowner: chown -1/0 > > .AppleDouble/.Parent: Operation not permitted From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Wed Feb 28 12:53:30 2001 Return-Path: Received: from easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.26]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id MAA06112 for ; Wed, 28 Feb 2001 12:53:30 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id MAA02160 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Wed, 28 Feb 2001 12:53:30 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id MAA02142 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Wed, 28 Feb 2001 12:53:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from schilling.ucdavis.edu (schilling.ucdavis.edu [169.237.105.1]) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id MAA02100 for ; Wed, 28 Feb 2001 12:53:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from prometheus.mailbox.ucdavis.edu (iras-3-62.ucdavis.edu [169.237.17.62]) by schilling.ucdavis.edu (8.11.1/8.11.0/IT4.4.8) with ESMTP id f1SHrMh02319; Wed, 28 Feb 2001 09:53:22 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <5.0.2.1.0.20010228095040.00a6a010@127.0.0.1> X-Sender: itlm019/mailbox.ucdavis.edu@127.0.0.1 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0.2 Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 09:52:49 -0800 To: "Heath Henderson" , From: "Marc J. Miller" Subject: Re: Password Change ? In-Reply-To: References: <200102272219.RAA27737@easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Support for that is there; I've seen it in the afpd code. You're not using NIS, are you? (if you are, I don't think netatalk knows to use the NIS/YP procedures to change it). At 08:20 PM 2/27/01 -0600, Heath Henderson wrote: >I am using RH 6.2 with encrypted Passwords and OS 8.6 / 9.x > >I want to be able to allow users to change their passwords? How do I enable >this feature. Every time I try I get an error that it was unable to save >the password. > >Thanks > >Heath Henderson From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Wed Feb 28 13:05:49 2001 Return-Path: Received: from kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.25]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id NAA06686 for ; Wed, 28 Feb 2001 13:05:48 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id NAA28979 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Wed, 28 Feb 2001 13:05:48 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id NAA28957 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Wed, 28 Feb 2001 13:05:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from franc.ucdavis.edu (franc.ucdavis.edu [169.237.105.2]) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id NAA28916 for ; Wed, 28 Feb 2001 13:05:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from prometheus.mailbox.ucdavis.edu (iras-3-62.ucdavis.edu [169.237.17.62]) by franc.ucdavis.edu (8.11.1/8.11.0/IT4.4.8) with ESMTP id f1SI5bP01195; Wed, 28 Feb 2001 10:05:37 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <5.0.2.1.0.20010228100139.00a6ac00@127.0.0.1> X-Sender: itlm019/mailbox.ucdavis.edu@127.0.0.1 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0.2 Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 10:05:50 -0800 To: Paramjit Cheema , From: "Marc J. Miller" Subject: Re: start script In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Ummm... unless you substituted the zone name for a * below, it looks like you haven't specified an Appletalk zone. Either that or you don't have Appletalk support being loaded in your kernel / kernel modules. If the latter is the case, your /var/log/messages file may specify that it couldn't find a module, given by its numerical designation only (should be aliased to atalk). At 12:48 PM 3/1/01 +1300, Paramjit Cheema wrote: >i have just installed netatalk netatalk-1.4b2+asun2.1.3 on red hat 7.1 . >When i tried to run /rc.atalk.redhat start i got the followin error > > >starting appletalk daemons: 5280.221: attribute not found. > atalkdnbp_rgstr: Connection timed out >Can't register griffin:Workstation@* >nbp_rgstr: Connection timed out >Can't register griffin:netatalk@* > nbprgstr papd. > >any help would be greatly appreciated > > > >cheers > >bobby From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Wed Feb 28 14:10:09 2001 Return-Path: Received: from kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.25]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id OAA09120 for ; Wed, 28 Feb 2001 14:10:09 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id OAA14224 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Wed, 28 Feb 2001 14:10:09 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id OAA14212 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Wed, 28 Feb 2001 14:10:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from ns.srz-berlin.de (ns.srz-berlin.de [212.5.11.1]) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id OAA14181 for ; Wed, 28 Feb 2001 14:10:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from srz-berlin.de (gw.srz-berlin.de [212.5.11.2]) by ns.srz-berlin.de (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id UAA21524; Wed, 28 Feb 2001 20:09:53 +0100 Sender: bringi@ns.srz-berlin.de Message-ID: <3A9D4D6A.87EB6BF0@srz-berlin.de> Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 20:11:38 +0100 From: Axel Bringenberg Organization: Satz-Rechen-Zentrum Berlin - Systemgruppe (http://www.srz.de) X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [de] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.16-22smp i686) X-Accept-Language: de-DE, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Marc J. Miller" CC: Florian Schedler , Netatalk Mailing List Subject: Re: chown invalid argument (was: Re: AW: Still Only Cleartext) References: <5.0.2.1.0.20010228093339.00a6bc20@127.0.0.1> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Marc, "Marc J. Miller" schrieb: > > Looks familiar to me too. > > If you're using a netatalk 1.5 prerelease and you have either ADMIN_GRP or > DROPKLUDGE turned on, I think that's my bailiwick and I need to know what > platform and flavor you two using to fix it (e.g. Red Hat Linux 7, FreeBSD, > Debian Linux 2.2, etc.). That's an awfully large uid, though... 16 million > user names is a lot. Is it possible that the number is too big and we've > run into a limitation of chown? No, I don't think so. I've been fighting against the same problem too and in my case I'm today the only user of a fresh installed rh7.0 box: ----------------------------------------------- Feb 28 17:27:33 gromit afpd[18327]: cleartext login: bringi Feb 28 17:27:33 gromit PAM_pwdb[18327]: (netatalk) session opened for user bringi by (uid=0) Feb 28 17:27:33 gromit afpd[18327]: login bringi (uid 500, gid 500) Feb 28 17:27:36 gromit afpd[18327]: setdirowner: chown 16777216/-1 .AppleDouble/.Parent: Invalid argument Feb 28 17:27:36 gromit afpd[18327]: setdirowner: chown 16777216/-1 .AppleDouble: Invalid argument Feb 28 17:27:36 gromit afpd[18327]: setdirowner: chown 16777216/-1 .: Invalid argument Feb 28 17:27:36 gromit afpd[18327]: setdirowner: chown -1/0 .AppleDouble/.Parent: Operation not permitted Feb 28 17:27:36 gromit afpd[18327]: setdirowner: chown 16777216/-1 .AppleDouble/.Parent: Invalid argument Feb 28 17:27:36 gromit afpd[18327]: setdirowner: chown 16777216/-1 .AppleDouble: Invalid argument Feb 28 17:27:36 gromit afpd[18327]: setdirowner: chown 16777216/-1 .: Invalid argument Feb 28 17:27:36 gromit afpd[18327]: setdirowner: chown -1/0 .AppleDouble/.Parent: Operation not permitted Feb 28 17:28:01 gromit afpd[18327]: setdirowner: chown -1/0 .AppleDouble/.Parent: Operation not permitted Feb 28 17:28:27 gromit afpd[18327]: logout bringi ----------------------------------------------- This happens everytime while moving, copying or creating files - directories are doing fine. Is it possible that some pieces of the new (and broken) FORCE_UIDGID code is still active? Or is it maybee a Redhat-only problem? I've looked arround and found some similar messages in this list, all reporting problems with setdirowner: chown -1/0 .: Operation not permitted or setdirowner: chown -1/0 .AppleDouble/.Parent: Operation not permitted or setdirowner: chown 16777216/-1 .: Invalid argument or setdirowner: chown 16777216/-1 .AppleDouble/.Parent: Invalid argument Most of them using rh7.0 (or mdk) and netatalk since 1.5pre3. In my case I've ... - build a freshly RH7.0 box with all possible updates (incl. kernel-2.2.17-14) - build netatalk-1.5pre4 from source w/o ADMIN_GRP, DROPKLUDGE and FORCE_UIDGID - I'm the first and only additional user (uid 500/gid 500) - the volume is totaly owned by me (maximum chowned and chmoded :-) - tested with MacOS 7.5, 8.6 and 9.0 Axel. From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Wed Feb 28 14:20:06 2001 Return-Path: Received: from easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.26]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id OAA09646 for ; Wed, 28 Feb 2001 14:20:06 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id OAA14372 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Wed, 28 Feb 2001 14:20:06 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id OAA14360 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Wed, 28 Feb 2001 14:20:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from gekko.i-clue.de (server.ms-agentur.de [62.153.134.194]) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id OAA14285 for ; Wed, 28 Feb 2001 14:20:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from i-clue.de (automatix.i-clue.de [192.168.0.112]) by gekko.i-clue.de (8.9.3/8.9.3/SuSE Linux 8.9.3-0.1) with ESMTP id VAA04806 for ; Wed, 28 Feb 2001 21:26:14 +0100 Message-ID: <3A9D4FB3.DAEAC40E@i-clue.de> Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 20:21:23 +0100 From: Christoph Sold Reply-To: so@server.i-clue.de X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [de] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: de MIME-Version: 1.0 To: netatalk-admins@umich.edu Subject: Mac List view updating continuously - Fix? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dear List, netatalk-1.4b2+asun2.1.3 running on a FreeBSD server configured with 50 connections. (Exact configuration follows below.) When viewing the apple volumes in list view, the Finder continuously updates the list view. I.e. the info bar at the top of the window shows anything between 650 and 670 objects in the list view, starting with the lowest number, then growing until the maximum is reached, where it drops again to the lowest number. The server shows this behavior even when the network is completely idle (only one Mac client). Any hints? -Christoph Sold [Configuration data follows] $ uname -a FreeBSD amnesix.i-clue.de 4.2-STABLE FreeBSD 4.2-STABLE #4: Tue Feb 13 18:11:45 CET 2001 so@amnesix.i-clue.de:/usr/src/sys/compile/AMNESIX-4.2-S i386 $ cat atalkd.conf fxp0 -phase 2 -net 0-65534 -addr 65280.119 $ cat afpd.conf - -nocleartext -nosavepassword -nouservol -nodebug $ cat AppleVolumes.default ~ options=noadouble /usr/local/www Spielwiese options=noadouble access=@lusers /usr/tmp tmp options=noadouble access=@lusers /f/programme Programme options=noadouble access=@lusers /f/projekte Projekte options=noadouble access=@lusers $ pkg_info -aI|grep netatalk netatalk-1.4b2+asun2.1.3 From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Wed Feb 28 14:36:26 2001 Return-Path: Received: from easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.26]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id OAA10343 for ; Wed, 28 Feb 2001 14:36:25 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id OAA09034 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Wed, 28 Feb 2001 14:36:25 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id OAA09006 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Wed, 28 Feb 2001 14:36:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from dfw-smtpout4.email.verio.net (dfw-smtpout4.email.verio.net [129.250.36.44]) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id OAA08885 for ; Wed, 28 Feb 2001 14:36:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from [129.250.38.62] (helo=dfw-mmp2.email.verio.net) by dfw-smtpout4.email.verio.net with esmtp id 14YCOZ-0006iu-00 for netatalk-admins@umich.edu; Wed, 28 Feb 2001 19:36:19 +0000 Received: from [64.108.217.192] (helo=[64.108.217.192]) by dfw-mmp2.email.verio.net with esmtp id 14YCOY-0005XH-00 for netatalk-admins@umich.edu; Wed, 28 Feb 2001 19:36:18 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: keith@pop.wwa.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3A9D4D6A.87EB6BF0@srz-berlin.de> References: <5.0.2.1.0.20010228093339.00a6bc20@127.0.0.1> <3A9D4D6A.87EB6BF0@srz-berlin.de> Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 13:32:20 -0600 To: Netatalk Mailing List From: Keith Lamont Subject: Re: chown invalid argument (was: Re: AW: Still Only Cleartext) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Same here, except I tried the .rpm before building from scratch, and only tested against Mac OS 9. I'm not a total stranger to netatalk; had it running with RH 5.2 on another box. Keith >Hi Marc, > >"Marc J. Miller" schrieb: >> >> Looks familiar to me too. >> >> If you're using a netatalk 1.5 prerelease and you have either ADMIN_GRP or >> DROPKLUDGE turned on, I think that's my bailiwick and I need to know what >> platform and flavor you two using to fix it (e.g. Red Hat Linux 7, FreeBSD, >> Debian Linux 2.2, etc.). That's an awfully large uid, though... 16 million >> user names is a lot. Is it possible that the number is too big and we've >> run into a limitation of chown? > >No, I don't think so. I've been fighting against the same problem too >and in my case I'm today the only user of a fresh installed rh7.0 box: > >----------------------------------------------- >Feb 28 17:27:33 gromit afpd[18327]: cleartext login: bringi >Feb 28 17:27:33 gromit PAM_pwdb[18327]: (netatalk) session opened for >user bringi by (uid=0) >Feb 28 17:27:33 gromit afpd[18327]: login bringi (uid 500, gid 500) >Feb 28 17:27:36 gromit afpd[18327]: setdirowner: chown 16777216/-1 >.AppleDouble/.Parent: Invalid argument >Feb 28 17:27:36 gromit afpd[18327]: setdirowner: chown 16777216/-1 >.AppleDouble: Invalid argument >Feb 28 17:27:36 gromit afpd[18327]: setdirowner: chown 16777216/-1 .: >Invalid argument >Feb 28 17:27:36 gromit afpd[18327]: setdirowner: chown -1/0 >.AppleDouble/.Parent: Operation not permitted >Feb 28 17:27:36 gromit afpd[18327]: setdirowner: chown 16777216/-1 >.AppleDouble/.Parent: Invalid argument >Feb 28 17:27:36 gromit afpd[18327]: setdirowner: chown 16777216/-1 >.AppleDouble: Invalid argument >Feb 28 17:27:36 gromit afpd[18327]: setdirowner: chown 16777216/-1 .: >Invalid argument >Feb 28 17:27:36 gromit afpd[18327]: setdirowner: chown -1/0 >.AppleDouble/.Parent: Operation not permitted >Feb 28 17:28:01 gromit afpd[18327]: setdirowner: chown -1/0 >.AppleDouble/.Parent: Operation not permitted >Feb 28 17:28:27 gromit afpd[18327]: logout bringi >----------------------------------------------- > >This happens everytime while moving, copying or creating files - >directories are doing fine. Is it possible that some pieces of the new >(and broken) FORCE_UIDGID code is still active? Or is it maybee a >Redhat-only problem? > >I've looked arround and found some similar messages in this list, all >reporting problems with > setdirowner: chown -1/0 .: Operation not permitted >or setdirowner: chown -1/0 .AppleDouble/.Parent: Operation not permitted >or setdirowner: chown 16777216/-1 .: Invalid argument >or setdirowner: chown 16777216/-1 .AppleDouble/.Parent: Invalid argument > >Most of them using rh7.0 (or mdk) and netatalk since 1.5pre3. > >In my case I've ... >- build a freshly RH7.0 box with all possible updates (incl. >kernel-2.2.17-14) >- build netatalk-1.5pre4 from source w/o ADMIN_GRP, DROPKLUDGE and >FORCE_UIDGID >- I'm the first and only additional user (uid 500/gid 500) >- the volume is totaly owned by me (maximum chowned and chmoded :-) >- tested with MacOS 7.5, 8.6 and 9.0 > >Axel. From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Wed Feb 28 14:44:03 2001 Return-Path: Received: from kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.25]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id OAA10817 for ; Wed, 28 Feb 2001 14:44:03 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id OAA19609 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Wed, 28 Feb 2001 14:44:03 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id OAA19600 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Wed, 28 Feb 2001 14:44:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from c017.sfo.cp.net (c017-h015.c017.sfo.cp.net [209.228.12.229]) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with SMTP id OAA19573 for ; Wed, 28 Feb 2001 14:44:01 -0500 (EST) Received: (cpmta 3712 invoked from network); 28 Feb 2001 11:44:00 -0800 Received: from www.waaaow.com (HELO ?192.168.0.50?) (207.171.221.217) by smtp.terrascope.com (209.228.12.229) with SMTP; 28 Feb 2001 11:44:00 -0800 X-Sent: 28 Feb 2001 19:44:00 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3A9D4FB3.DAEAC40E@i-clue.de> References: <3A9D4FB3.DAEAC40E@i-clue.de> Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 11:46:32 -0800 To: so@server.i-clue.de From: Walt Reed Subject: Re: Mac List view updating continuously - Fix? Cc: netatalk-admins@umich.edu Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" yes, totally. i had that problem with the noadouble feature enabled on my shares. that was running 1.5pre3 on a redhat 7.0 box. since dropping the noadouble (ie-allowing .appledouble files) the problem has disappeared. i've had no other problems since. w >Dear List, > >netatalk-1.4b2+asun2.1.3 running on a FreeBSD server configured with 50 >connections. (Exact configuration follows below.) > >When viewing the apple volumes in list view, the Finder continuously >updates the list view. I.e. the info bar at the top of the window shows >anything between 650 and 670 objects in the list view, starting with the >lowest number, then growing until the maximum is reached, where it drops >again to the lowest number. > >The server shows this behavior even when the network is completely idle >(only one Mac client). > >Any hints? > >-Christoph Sold > >[Configuration data follows] > >$ uname -a >FreeBSD amnesix.i-clue.de 4.2-STABLE FreeBSD 4.2-STABLE #4: Tue Feb 13 >18:11:45 >CET 2001 so@amnesix.i-clue.de:/usr/src/sys/compile/AMNESIX-4.2-S >i386 >$ cat atalkd.conf >fxp0 -phase 2 -net 0-65534 -addr 65280.119 >$ cat afpd.conf >- -nocleartext -nosavepassword -nouservol -nodebug >$ cat AppleVolumes.default >~ options=noadouble >/usr/local/www Spielwiese options=noadouble access=@lusers >/usr/tmp tmp options=noadouble access=@lusers >/f/programme Programme options=noadouble access=@lusers >/f/projekte Projekte options=noadouble access=@lusers >$ pkg_info -aI|grep netatalk >netatalk-1.4b2+asun2.1.3 From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Wed Feb 28 15:39:51 2001 Return-Path: Received: from funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.27]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id PAA13948 for ; Wed, 28 Feb 2001 15:39:51 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id PAA02703 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Wed, 28 Feb 2001 15:39:44 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id PAA02692 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Wed, 28 Feb 2001 15:39:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from ns.srz-berlin.de (ns.srz-berlin.de [212.5.11.1]) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id PAA02645 for ; Wed, 28 Feb 2001 15:39:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from srz-berlin.de (gw.srz-berlin.de [212.5.11.2]) by ns.srz-berlin.de (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id VAA24216 for ; Wed, 28 Feb 2001 21:39:40 +0100 Sender: bringi@ns.srz-berlin.de Message-ID: <3A9D6275.A64526A4@srz-berlin.de> Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 21:41:25 +0100 From: Axel Bringenberg Organization: Satz-Rechen-Zentrum Berlin - Systemgruppe (http://www.srz.de) X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [de] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.16-22smp i686) X-Accept-Language: de-DE, en MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: Netatalk Mailing List Subject: Re: chown invalid argument (was: Re: AW: Still Only Cleartext) References: <5.0.2.1.0.20010228093339.00a6bc20@127.0.0.1> <3A9D4D6A.87EB6BF0@srz-berlin.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'm just wondering why the _user_ process tries to set a gid of 0 or an uid of 16777216 (0x1000000) ?! Hmm... - Axel Keith Lamont schrieb: > > Same here, except I tried the .rpm before building from scratch, and > only tested against Mac OS 9. I'm not a total stranger to netatalk; > had it running with RH 5.2 on another box. > > Keith > > >Hi Marc, > > > >"Marc J. Miller" schrieb: > >> > >> Looks familiar to me too. > >> > >> If you're using a netatalk 1.5 prerelease and you have either ADMIN_GRP or > >> DROPKLUDGE turned on, I think that's my bailiwick and I need to know what > >> platform and flavor you two using to fix it (e.g. Red Hat Linux 7, FreeBSD, > >> Debian Linux 2.2, etc.). That's an awfully large uid, though... 16 million > >> user names is a lot. Is it possible that the number is too big and we've > >> run into a limitation of chown? > > > >No, I don't think so. I've been fighting against the same problem too > >and in my case I'm today the only user of a fresh installed rh7.0 box: > > > >----------------------------------------------- > >Feb 28 17:27:33 gromit afpd[18327]: cleartext login: bringi > >Feb 28 17:27:33 gromit PAM_pwdb[18327]: (netatalk) session opened for > >user bringi by (uid=0) > >Feb 28 17:27:33 gromit afpd[18327]: login bringi (uid 500, gid 500) > >Feb 28 17:27:36 gromit afpd[18327]: setdirowner: chown 16777216/-1 > >.AppleDouble/.Parent: Invalid argument > >Feb 28 17:27:36 gromit afpd[18327]: setdirowner: chown 16777216/-1 > >.AppleDouble: Invalid argument > >Feb 28 17:27:36 gromit afpd[18327]: setdirowner: chown 16777216/-1 .: > >Invalid argument > >Feb 28 17:27:36 gromit afpd[18327]: setdirowner: chown -1/0 > >.AppleDouble/.Parent: Operation not permitted > >Feb 28 17:27:36 gromit afpd[18327]: setdirowner: chown 16777216/-1 > >.AppleDouble/.Parent: Invalid argument > >Feb 28 17:27:36 gromit afpd[18327]: setdirowner: chown 16777216/-1 > >.AppleDouble: Invalid argument > >Feb 28 17:27:36 gromit afpd[18327]: setdirowner: chown 16777216/-1 .: > >Invalid argument > >Feb 28 17:27:36 gromit afpd[18327]: setdirowner: chown -1/0 > >.AppleDouble/.Parent: Operation not permitted > >Feb 28 17:28:01 gromit afpd[18327]: setdirowner: chown -1/0 > >.AppleDouble/.Parent: Operation not permitted > >Feb 28 17:28:27 gromit afpd[18327]: logout bringi > >----------------------------------------------- > > > >This happens everytime while moving, copying or creating files - > >directories are doing fine. Is it possible that some pieces of the new > >(and broken) FORCE_UIDGID code is still active? Or is it maybee a > >Redhat-only problem? > > > >I've looked arround and found some similar messages in this list, all > >reporting problems with > > setdirowner: chown -1/0 .: Operation not permitted > >or setdirowner: chown -1/0 .AppleDouble/.Parent: Operation not permitted > >or setdirowner: chown 16777216/-1 .: Invalid argument > >or setdirowner: chown 16777216/-1 .AppleDouble/.Parent: Invalid argument > > > >Most of them using rh7.0 (or mdk) and netatalk since 1.5pre3. > > > >In my case I've ... > >- build a freshly RH7.0 box with all possible updates (incl. > >kernel-2.2.17-14) > >- build netatalk-1.5pre4 from source w/o ADMIN_GRP, DROPKLUDGE and > >FORCE_UIDGID > >- I'm the first and only additional user (uid 500/gid 500) > >- the volume is totaly owned by me (maximum chowned and chmoded :-) > >- tested with MacOS 7.5, 8.6 and 9.0 > > > >Axel. -- Satz-Rechen-Zentrum Berlin - Systemgruppe From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Wed Feb 28 16:59:28 2001 Return-Path: Received: from kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.25]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id QAA17984 for ; Wed, 28 Feb 2001 16:59:28 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id QAA17960 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Wed, 28 Feb 2001 16:59:28 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id QAA17958 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Wed, 28 Feb 2001 16:59:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from sandman.ucdavis.edu (sandman.ucdavis.edu [169.237.105.36]) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id QAA17938 for ; Wed, 28 Feb 2001 16:59:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (itlm019@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by sandman.ucdavis.edu (8.11.1/8.11.0/IT4.4.8) with ESMTP id f1SLwuU26449; Wed, 28 Feb 2001 13:58:56 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 13:58:56 -0800 (PST) From: Marc Miller X-Sender: itlm019@sandman.ucdavis.edu To: Christoph Sold cc: netatalk-admins@umich.edu Subject: Re: Mac List view updating continuously - Fix? In-Reply-To: <3A9D4FB3.DAEAC40E@i-clue.de> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I haven't seen this with netatalk, but I've seen this on PC-formatted disks. The solution was to delete the resource.frk directory and let it treat all files as unknown, then rewrite the data. If you have .AppleDouble enabled, I hate to say it but the best solution might be to delete all files in the .AppleDouble subdirectory of the directory you're having trouble with. For more information about this problem, search the web for "dancing icons" (including the archives for this list). On Wed, 28 Feb 2001, Christoph Sold wrote: > Dear List, > > netatalk-1.4b2+asun2.1.3 running on a FreeBSD server configured with 50 > connections. (Exact configuration follows below.) > > When viewing the apple volumes in list view, the Finder continuously > updates the list view. I.e. the info bar at the top of the window shows > anything between 650 and 670 objects in the list view, starting with the > lowest number, then growing until the maximum is reached, where it drops > again to the lowest number. > > The server shows this behavior even when the network is completely idle > (only one Mac client). > > Any hints? > > -Christoph Sold > > [Configuration data follows] > > $ uname -a > FreeBSD amnesix.i-clue.de 4.2-STABLE FreeBSD 4.2-STABLE #4: Tue Feb 13 > 18:11:45 > CET 2001 so@amnesix.i-clue.de:/usr/src/sys/compile/AMNESIX-4.2-S > i386 > $ cat atalkd.conf > fxp0 -phase 2 -net 0-65534 -addr 65280.119 > $ cat afpd.conf > - -nocleartext -nosavepassword -nouservol -nodebug > $ cat AppleVolumes.default > ~ options=noadouble > /usr/local/www Spielwiese options=noadouble access=@lusers > /usr/tmp tmp options=noadouble access=@lusers > /f/programme Programme options=noadouble access=@lusers > /f/projekte Projekte options=noadouble access=@lusers > $ pkg_info -aI|grep netatalk > netatalk-1.4b2+asun2.1.3 > ============================================================ /\/\arc ._|. /\/\iller (itlm019@mailbox.ucdavis.edu) Computer Room Consultant Information Technology/Lab Management ============================================================ I can be contacted through the Communication Center link from http://www.mother.com/~mjmiller/ From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Wed Feb 28 17:36:28 2001 Return-Path: Received: from kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.25]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id RAA19228 for ; Wed, 28 Feb 2001 17:36:28 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id RAA16395 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Wed, 28 Feb 2001 17:36:28 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id RAA16387 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Wed, 28 Feb 2001 17:36:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from sandman.ucdavis.edu (sandman.ucdavis.edu [169.237.105.36]) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id RAA16372 for ; Wed, 28 Feb 2001 17:36:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (itlm019@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by sandman.ucdavis.edu (8.11.1/8.11.0/IT4.4.8) with ESMTP id f1SMa5U27796; Wed, 28 Feb 2001 14:36:05 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 14:36:05 -0800 (PST) From: Marc Miller X-Sender: itlm019@sandman.ucdavis.edu To: Axel Bringenberg cc: Florian Schedler , Netatalk Mailing List Subject: Re: chown invalid argument (was: Re: AW: Still Only Cleartext) In-Reply-To: <3A9D4D6A.87EB6BF0@srz-berlin.de> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Is it always the same uid (16777216)? Does that uid correspond to anyone registered on your system? I have seen chown #/-1 and chown -1/# errors, but not with that UID. On Wed, 28 Feb 2001, Axel Bringenberg wrote: > Hi Marc, > > "Marc J. Miller" schrieb: > > > > Looks familiar to me too. > > > > If you're using a netatalk 1.5 prerelease and you have either ADMIN_GRP or > > DROPKLUDGE turned on, I think that's my bailiwick and I need to know what > > platform and flavor you two using to fix it (e.g. Red Hat Linux 7, FreeBSD, > > Debian Linux 2.2, etc.). That's an awfully large uid, though... 16 million > > user names is a lot. Is it possible that the number is too big and we've > > run into a limitation of chown? > > No, I don't think so. I've been fighting against the same problem too > and in my case I'm today the only user of a fresh installed rh7.0 box: > > ----------------------------------------------- > Feb 28 17:27:33 gromit afpd[18327]: cleartext login: bringi > Feb 28 17:27:33 gromit PAM_pwdb[18327]: (netatalk) session opened for > user bringi by (uid=0) > Feb 28 17:27:33 gromit afpd[18327]: login bringi (uid 500, gid 500) > Feb 28 17:27:36 gromit afpd[18327]: setdirowner: chown 16777216/-1 > .AppleDouble/.Parent: Invalid argument > Feb 28 17:27:36 gromit afpd[18327]: setdirowner: chown 16777216/-1 > .AppleDouble: Invalid argument > Feb 28 17:27:36 gromit afpd[18327]: setdirowner: chown 16777216/-1 .: > Invalid argument > Feb 28 17:27:36 gromit afpd[18327]: setdirowner: chown -1/0 > .AppleDouble/.Parent: Operation not permitted > Feb 28 17:27:36 gromit afpd[18327]: setdirowner: chown 16777216/-1 > .AppleDouble/.Parent: Invalid argument > Feb 28 17:27:36 gromit afpd[18327]: setdirowner: chown 16777216/-1 > .AppleDouble: Invalid argument > Feb 28 17:27:36 gromit afpd[18327]: setdirowner: chown 16777216/-1 .: > Invalid argument > Feb 28 17:27:36 gromit afpd[18327]: setdirowner: chown -1/0 > .AppleDouble/.Parent: Operation not permitted > Feb 28 17:28:01 gromit afpd[18327]: setdirowner: chown -1/0 > .AppleDouble/.Parent: Operation not permitted > Feb 28 17:28:27 gromit afpd[18327]: logout bringi > ----------------------------------------------- > > This happens everytime while moving, copying or creating files - > directories are doing fine. Is it possible that some pieces of the new > (and broken) FORCE_UIDGID code is still active? Or is it maybee a > Redhat-only problem? > > I've looked arround and found some similar messages in this list, all > reporting problems with > setdirowner: chown -1/0 .: Operation not permitted > or setdirowner: chown -1/0 .AppleDouble/.Parent: Operation not permitted > or setdirowner: chown 16777216/-1 .: Invalid argument > or setdirowner: chown 16777216/-1 .AppleDouble/.Parent: Invalid argument > > Most of them using rh7.0 (or mdk) and netatalk since 1.5pre3. > > In my case I've ... > - build a freshly RH7.0 box with all possible updates (incl. > kernel-2.2.17-14) > - build netatalk-1.5pre4 from source w/o ADMIN_GRP, DROPKLUDGE and > FORCE_UIDGID > - I'm the first and only additional user (uid 500/gid 500) > - the volume is totaly owned by me (maximum chowned and chmoded :-) > - tested with MacOS 7.5, 8.6 and 9.0 > > Axel. > ============================================================ /\/\arc ._|. /\/\iller (itlm019@mailbox.ucdavis.edu) Computer Room Consultant Information Technology/Lab Management ============================================================ I can be contacted through the Communication Center link from http://www.mother.com/~mjmiller/ From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Wed Feb 28 17:56:42 2001 Return-Path: Received: from kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.25]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id RAA19886 for ; Wed, 28 Feb 2001 17:56:42 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id RAA01501 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Wed, 28 Feb 2001 17:56:42 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id RAA01494 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Wed, 28 Feb 2001 17:56:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from dfw-smtpout4.email.verio.net (dfw-smtpout4.email.verio.net [129.250.36.44]) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id RAA01477 for ; Wed, 28 Feb 2001 17:56:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from [129.250.38.62] (helo=dfw-mmp2.email.verio.net) by dfw-smtpout4.email.verio.net with esmtp id 14YFWR-00007i-00; Wed, 28 Feb 2001 22:56:39 +0000 Received: from [64.108.217.192] (helo=[64.108.217.192]) by dfw-mmp2.email.verio.net with esmtp id 14YFWQ-0004oE-00; Wed, 28 Feb 2001 22:56:38 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: keith@pop.wwa.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 16:56:18 -0600 To: Marc Miller From: Keith Lamont Subject: Re: chown invalid argument (was: Re: AW: Still Only Cleartext) Cc: Netatalk Mailing List Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Here's some entries from my log. Owner is 500, group is 500, and both are the highest numbered ids in the system. messages.1:Feb 24 10:29:19 fred afpd[5232]: setdirowner: chown 16777216/-1 .AppleDouble/.Parent: Invalid argument messages.1:Feb 24 10:29:19 fred afpd[5232]: setdirowner: chown 16777216/-1 .AppleDouble: Invalid argument messages.1:Feb 24 10:29:19 fred afpd[5232]: setdirowner: chown 16777216/-1 .: Invalid argument messages.1:Feb 24 10:29:19 fred afpd[5232]: setdirowner: chown -1/0 .AppleDouble/.Parent: Operation not permitted messages.1:Feb 24 10:29:19 fred afpd[5232]: setdirowner: chown 16777216/-1 .AppleDouble/.Parent: Invalid argument messages.1:Feb 24 10:29:19 fred afpd[5232]: setdirowner: chown 16777216/-1 .AppleDouble: Invalid argument messages.1:Feb 24 10:29:19 fred afpd[5232]: setdirowner: chown 16777216/-1 .: Invalid argument messages.1:Feb 24 10:29:19 fred afpd[5232]: setdirowner: chown -1/0 .AppleDouble/.Parent: Operation not permitted messages.1:Feb 24 10:31:44 fred afpd[5232]: setdirowner: chown -1/0 .AppleDouble/.Parent: Operation not permitted Keith At 2:36 PM -0800 2/28/01, Marc Miller wrote: >Is it always the same uid (16777216)? Does that uid correspond to anyone >registered on your system? I have seen chown #/-1 and chown -1/# errors, >but not with that UID. > >On Wed, 28 Feb 2001, Axel Bringenberg wrote: > >> Hi Marc, >> >> "Marc J. Miller" schrieb: >> > >> > Looks familiar to me too. >> > >> > If you're using a netatalk 1.5 prerelease and you have either ADMIN_GRP or >> > DROPKLUDGE turned on, I think that's my bailiwick and I need to know what >> > platform and flavor you two using to fix it (e.g. Red Hat Linux >>7, FreeBSD, >> > Debian Linux 2.2, etc.). That's an awfully large uid, though... >>16 million >> > user names is a lot. Is it possible that the number is too big and we've >> > run into a limitation of chown? >> >> No, I don't think so. I've been fighting against the same problem too >> and in my case I'm today the only user of a fresh installed rh7.0 box: >> >> ----------------------------------------------- >> Feb 28 17:27:33 gromit afpd[18327]: cleartext login: bringi >> Feb 28 17:27:33 gromit PAM_pwdb[18327]: (netatalk) session opened for >> user bringi by (uid=0) >> Feb 28 17:27:33 gromit afpd[18327]: login bringi (uid 500, gid 500) >> Feb 28 17:27:36 gromit afpd[18327]: setdirowner: chown 16777216/-1 >> .AppleDouble/.Parent: Invalid argument >> Feb 28 17:27:36 gromit afpd[18327]: setdirowner: chown 16777216/-1 >> .AppleDouble: Invalid argument >> Feb 28 17:27:36 gromit afpd[18327]: setdirowner: chown 16777216/-1 .: >> Invalid argument >> Feb 28 17:27:36 gromit afpd[18327]: setdirowner: chown -1/0 >> .AppleDouble/.Parent: Operation not permitted >> Feb 28 17:27:36 gromit afpd[18327]: setdirowner: chown 16777216/-1 >> .AppleDouble/.Parent: Invalid argument >> Feb 28 17:27:36 gromit afpd[18327]: setdirowner: chown 16777216/-1 >> .AppleDouble: Invalid argument >> Feb 28 17:27:36 gromit afpd[18327]: setdirowner: chown 16777216/-1 .: >> Invalid argument >> Feb 28 17:27:36 gromit afpd[18327]: setdirowner: chown -1/0 >> .AppleDouble/.Parent: Operation not permitted >> Feb 28 17:28:01 gromit afpd[18327]: setdirowner: chown -1/0 >> .AppleDouble/.Parent: Operation not permitted >> Feb 28 17:28:27 gromit afpd[18327]: logout bringi >> ----------------------------------------------- >> >> This happens everytime while moving, copying or creating files - >> directories are doing fine. Is it possible that some pieces of the new >> (and broken) FORCE_UIDGID code is still active? Or is it maybee a >> Redhat-only problem? >> >> I've looked arround and found some similar messages in this list, all >> reporting problems with >> setdirowner: chown -1/0 .: Operation not permitted >> or setdirowner: chown -1/0 .AppleDouble/.Parent: Operation not permitted >> or setdirowner: chown 16777216/-1 .: Invalid argument > > or setdirowner: chown 16777216/-1 .AppleDouble/.Parent: Invalid argument >> >> Most of them using rh7.0 (or mdk) and netatalk since 1.5pre3. >> >> In my case I've ... >> - build a freshly RH7.0 box with all possible updates (incl. >> kernel-2.2.17-14) >> - build netatalk-1.5pre4 from source w/o ADMIN_GRP, DROPKLUDGE and >> FORCE_UIDGID >> - I'm the first and only additional user (uid 500/gid 500) >> - the volume is totaly owned by me (maximum chowned and chmoded :-) >> - tested with MacOS 7.5, 8.6 and 9.0 >> >> Axel. >> > >============================================================ > /\/\arc ._|. /\/\iller (itlm019@mailbox.ucdavis.edu) > Computer Room Consultant > Information Technology/Lab Management >============================================================ >I can be contacted through the Communication Center link from >http://www.mother.com/~mjmiller/ From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Wed Feb 28 18:28:38 2001 Return-Path: Received: from easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.26]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id SAA20746 for ; Wed, 28 Feb 2001 18:28:37 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id SAA00475 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Wed, 28 Feb 2001 18:28:37 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id SAA00454 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Wed, 28 Feb 2001 18:28:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from kakapo.cs.auckland.ac.nz (kakapo.cs.auckland.ac.nz [130.216.34.10]) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id SAA29581 for ; Wed, 28 Feb 2001 18:28:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from [130.216.108.120] (bobby.cs.auckland.ac.nz [130.216.108.120]) by kakapo.cs.auckland.ac.nz (8.8.6/8.8.6/cs-master) with ESMTP id MAA18708 for ; Thu, 1 Mar 2001 12:28:03 +1300 (NZDT) (sender bobby@cs.auckland.ac.nz) User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Fri, 02 Mar 2001 08:32:19 +1300 Subject: installing netatalk on freebsd From: Paramjit Cheema To: Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Dear list , i was installing netatalk-1.4b2+asun2.1.3 on freebsd 4.2 and it stopped in the middle of make process giving the following error i have des lib installed . gcc -DBSD4_4 -O2 -I../../include -DUSE_PAM -DAPPLCNAME -DSHADOWPW -c u nix.c unix.c:302: unbalanced `#endif' unix.c:327: unbalanced `#endif' *** Error code 1 Stop in /netatalk-1.4b2+asun2.1.3/etc/afpd. *** Error code 1 Stop in /netatalk-1.4b2+asun2.1.3/etc/afpd. *** Error code 1 Stop in /netatalk-1.4b2+asun2.1.3/etc. *** Error code 1 Stop in /netatalk-1.4b2+asun2.1.3/sys/freebsd. *** Error code 1 Stop in /netatalk-1.4b2+asun2.1.3. could anybody . please help me intracing out this problem cheers bobby From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Wed Feb 28 19:28:25 2001 Return-Path: Received: from funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.27]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id TAA21636 for ; Wed, 28 Feb 2001 19:28:25 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id TAA08069 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Wed, 28 Feb 2001 19:28:18 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id TAA08059 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Wed, 28 Feb 2001 19:28:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from moutvdom01.kundenserver.de (moutvdom01.kundenserver.de [195.20.224.200]) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id TAA08039 for ; Wed, 28 Feb 2001 19:28:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from [195.20.224.208] (helo=mrvdom01.schlund.de) by moutvdom01.kundenserver.de with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 14YGx3-00030j-00 for netatalk-admins@umich.edu; Thu, 1 Mar 2001 01:28:13 +0100 Received: from p3e9ecafa.dip0.t-ipconnect.de ([62.158.202.250]) by mrvdom01.schlund.de with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 14YGx8-0003Gd-00 for netatalk-admins@umich.edu; Thu, 1 Mar 2001 01:28:18 +0100 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/9.0.3108 Date: Thu, 01 Mar 2001 01:27:03 +0100 Subject: Re: pre4: can not run ./config.sub From: Thomas Schierle To: Netatalk-Admins Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <3A9BB7D2.FD5DC084@univrel.pr.uconn.edu> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit On 01-02-27 15:21 +0100, jeff wrote: >> filled with all kinds of nifty stuff :-) >> in fact, there is no /usr/share/libtools directory ... > > I'll update the list of packages in the README if they aren't there > already. maybe I did just overlook a snippet of readme -- IMO the problem might be information on installing netatalk is cluttered over several files spread all around over the distribution. joining all that info into one single file some day might be a good idea -- at least speaking from a mac user perspective, I have no idea about practices the *NIX community is used to. Thanks, -Thomas -- Thomas Schierle, Munich, Germany PGP key [DSS/DH] 0xA23CDA1D available at various public key servers From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Wed Feb 28 19:28:25 2001 Return-Path: Received: from easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.26]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id TAA21646 for ; Wed, 28 Feb 2001 19:28:25 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id TAA08537 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Wed, 28 Feb 2001 19:28:25 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id TAA08520 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Wed, 28 Feb 2001 19:28:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from moutvdom00.kundenserver.de (moutvdom00.kundenserver.de [195.20.224.149]) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id TAA08478 for ; Wed, 28 Feb 2001 19:28:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from [195.20.224.208] (helo=mrvdom01.schlund.de) by moutvdom00.kundenserver.de with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 14YGxC-0007Lj-00 for netatalk-admins@umich.edu; Thu, 1 Mar 2001 01:28:22 +0100 Received: from p3e9ecafa.dip0.t-ipconnect.de ([62.158.202.250]) by mrvdom01.schlund.de with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 14YGx9-0003Gd-00 for netatalk-admins@umich.edu; Thu, 1 Mar 2001 01:28:19 +0100 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/9.0.3108 Date: Thu, 01 Mar 2001 01:27:03 +0100 Subject: Re: chown invalid argument (was: Re: AW: Still Only Cleartext) From: Thomas Schierle To: Netatalk-Admins Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <3A9D6275.A64526A4@srz-berlin.de> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit I see (saw -- I didn't complete the update to pre4 yet) the "setdirowner: chown xxxxxxx/-1 -- .AppleDouble/.Parent: Invalid argument" once per login. Suse 7.0, netatalk pre2, pre3, installed from RPM sharepoints root level write protected, folders within sharepoint owned by user admin, group users, gid set. further information available on request next weekend (hopefully!) -Thomas On 01-02-28 21:41 +0100, Axel Bringenberg wrote: > I'm just wondering why the _user_ process tries to set a gid of 0 or an > uid of 16777216 (0x1000000) ?! Hmm... -- Thomas Schierle, Munich, Germany PGP key [DSS/DH] 0xA23CDA1D available at various public key servers From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Wed Feb 28 19:42:03 2001 Return-Path: Received: from funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.27]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id TAA21908 for ; Wed, 28 Feb 2001 19:42:03 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id TAA24489 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Wed, 28 Feb 2001 19:41:56 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id TAA24478 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Wed, 28 Feb 2001 19:41:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from clavin2.unet.brandeis.edu (clavin2.unet.brandeis.edu [129.64.99.33]) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id TAA24438 for ; Wed, 28 Feb 2001 19:41:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from brandeis.edu (h00a04b0c2aa5.ne.mediaone.net [24.218.255.161]) by clavin2.unet.brandeis.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/UNet1.9) with ESMTP id TAA11081; Wed, 28 Feb 2001 19:42:00 -0500 Sender: karelsf@brandeis.edu Message-ID: <3A9D9B49.9ADC298@brandeis.edu> Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 19:43:53 -0500 From: Steven Karel Reply-To: karelsf@brandeis.edu Organization: Brandeis University X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.2 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: netatalk-admins@umich.edu CC: so@server.i-clue.de Subject: Re: Mac List view updating continuously - Fix? References: <3A9D4FB3.DAEAC40E@i-clue.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Christoph Sold wrote: > When viewing the apple volumes in list view, the Finder continuously > updates the list view. I.e. the info bar at the top of the window shows > anything between 650 and 670 objects in the list view, starting with the > lowest number, then growing until the maximum is reached, where it drops > again to the lowest number. > > The server shows this behavior even when the network is completely idle > (only one Mac client). > > Any hints? One possible hint: I've seen this happen when the server directory contains two separate files which have identical file names on the Mac, which treats names in a case-insensitive manner. Example, the directory contains myfile.exe and myfile.EXE this can happen pretty easily if you have people saving from multiple platforms or locations. From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Wed Feb 28 20:08:47 2001 Return-Path: Received: from easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.26]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id UAA22337 for ; Wed, 28 Feb 2001 20:08:47 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id UAA11943 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Wed, 28 Feb 2001 20:08:47 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id UAA11919 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Wed, 28 Feb 2001 20:08:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from dionysus.terrascope.com (www.terrascope.com [63.140.215.162]) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id UAA11887 for ; Wed, 28 Feb 2001 20:08:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from terrascope.com (IDENT:walt@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dionysus.terrascope.com (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f211G3631142 for ; Wed, 28 Feb 2001 17:16:07 -0800 Sender: walt@dionysus.terrascope.com Message-ID: <3A9DA2D1.7581E882@terrascope.com> Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 17:16:01 -0800 From: Walt Reed X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.16-22 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: netatalk-admins@umich.edu Subject: Re: Mac List view updating continuously - Fix? References: <3A9D4FB3.DAEAC40E@i-clue.de> <3A9D9B49.9ADC298@brandeis.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Steven Karel wrote: > One possible hint: > > I've seen this happen when the server directory contains two separate > files which have identical file names on the Mac, which treats names in > a case-insensitive manner. Example, the directory contains > > > myfile.exe > and myfile.EXE > > this can happen pretty easily if you have people saving from multiple > platforms or locations. you are correct that this could be a problem, but his AppleVolumes.default would have to specify some type of casefold option: casefold:tolower so that the mac would see it that way, wouldn't it? otherwise i think netatalk does a litteral translation of the cases. but i didn't see that option in his config. walt reed systems admin terrascope From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Wed Feb 28 21:05:54 2001 Return-Path: Received: from funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.27]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id VAA23196 for ; Wed, 28 Feb 2001 21:05:54 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id VAA05048 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Wed, 28 Feb 2001 21:05:47 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id VAA05040 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Wed, 28 Feb 2001 21:05:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from clever.visp-europe.psi.com (clever.visp-europe.psi.com [212.222.105.4]) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id VAA05020 for ; Wed, 28 Feb 2001 21:05:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from n65-61.berlin.snafu.de ([194.42.65.61] helo=athlet.deltaman.de) by clever.visp-europe.psi.com with esmtp (Exim 3.22 #1) id 14YITW-00034y-00; Thu, 01 Mar 2001 03:05:50 +0100 Received: from athlet (root@athlet.deltaman.de [192.168.1.1]) by athlet.deltaman.de (8.9.3/8.9.3/SuSE Linux 8.9.3-0.1) with SMTP id DAA02083; Thu, 1 Mar 2001 03:01:17 +0100 From: Carsten Neumann Reply-To: deltor@snafu.de To: Paramjit Cheema , netatalk-admins@umich.edu Subject: Re: start script Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2001 02:22:59 +0100 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.0.28] Content-Type: text/plain References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <01030103011700.01416@athlet> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu id VAA23196 On Thu, 01 Mar 2001, Paramjit Cheema wrote: > on 2/28/01 6:38 PM, Carsten Neumann at deltor@snafu.de wrote: > > > On Thu, 01 Mar 2001, Paramjit Cheema wrote: > >> i have just installed netatalk netatalk-1.4b2+asun2.1.3 on red hat 7.1 . > >> When i tried to run /rc.atalk.redhat start i got the followin error > > > > I would recommend NOT to place your starup script in your root directory > > but somewhere in /sbin/init.d, /etc/rc.d, or whereever your start/shutdown > > scripts are > > located! > > > >> > >> > >> starting appletalk daemons: 5280.221: attribute not found. > >> atalkdnbp_rgstr: Connection timed out > >> Can't register griffin:Workstation@* > >> nbp_rgstr: Connection timed out > >> Can't register griffin:netatalk@* > >> nbprgstr papd. > > > > Is appletalk compiled into your kernel or as a module? > > How does your atalkd.conf file look? > > Are the DDP ports in your /etc/services? > > > >> > >> any help would be greatly appreciated > >> > >> > >> > >> cheers > >> > >> bobby > > > > Regards > > > > Carsten > > > > > > > hi Ho, ;-) > > 1) appletalk is complied as a module i have already loaded it . > > > > 2) initially atalkd.conf was empty it was recreated automatically with > correct zone name > So you are in a network with another AppleTalk server (router?)? In my network (just 2 machines :-)) there is only the default zone "*", which is not entered in my atalkd.conf. > > > 3) ddp zip and afp overtcp services are present in /etc/services If only these two (or three) entries are present, this could (possibly) be the reason for your problems. In my /etc/services I have the following AppleTalk entries: # # make apple talk more friendly # rtmp 1/ddp # Routing Table Maintenance Protocol nbp 2/ddp # Name Binding Protocol echo 4/ddp # AppleTalk Echo Protocol zip 6/ddp # Zone Information Protocol # # Appletalk # afpovertcp 548/tcp # AFP over TCP afpovertcp 548/udp # AFP over UCP I think the NBP is essential for name binding. ;-) > > i placed the script in /etc/init.d and when i tried to run it it gave the > ollowing error > > [root@griffin init.d]# ./rc.atalk.redhat start > starting appletalk daemons: 5280.20: attribute not found. > atalkdnbp_rgstr: Connection timed out > Can't register griffin:Workstation@* > nbp_rgstr: Connection timed out > Can't register griffin:netatalk@* > nbprgstr papd. Please post messages (also) to the mailing list. So everyone can participate. :-) A note for the list maintainer: Is it possible to add a "Reply to" field with the list-address to the header? I always have to add the list-address to the list of recipients by hand. Regards Carsten From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Thu Mar 1 04:19:12 2001 Return-Path: Received: from easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.26]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id EAA00738 for ; Thu, 1 Mar 2001 04:19:12 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id EAA06943 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Thu, 1 Mar 2001 04:19:12 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id EAA06920 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Thu, 1 Mar 2001 04:19:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from gekko.i-clue.de (server.ms-agentur.de [62.153.134.194]) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id EAA06861 for ; Thu, 1 Mar 2001 04:19:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from i-clue.de (automatix.i-clue.de [192.168.0.112]) by gekko.i-clue.de (8.9.3/8.9.3/SuSE Linux 8.9.3-0.1) with ESMTP id LAA07780; Thu, 1 Mar 2001 11:25:10 +0100 Message-ID: <3A9E1453.35F6230D@i-clue.de> Date: Thu, 01 Mar 2001 10:20:19 +0100 From: Christoph Sold Reply-To: so@server.i-clue.de X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [de] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: de MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Walt Reed CC: netatalk-admins@umich.edu Subject: Re: Mac List view updating continuously - Fix? References: <3A9D4FB3.DAEAC40E@i-clue.de> <3A9D9B49.9ADC298@brandeis.edu> <3A9DA2D1.7581E882@terrascope.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Walt Reed schrieb: > > Steven Karel wrote: > > > One possible hint: > > > > I've seen this happen when the server directory contains two separate > > files which have identical file names on the Mac, which treats names in > > a case-insensitive manner. Example, the directory contains > > > > > > myfile.exe > > and myfile.EXE > > > > this can happen pretty easily if you have people saving from multiple > > platforms or locations. > > you are correct that this could be a problem, but his AppleVolumes.default > would have to specify some type of casefold option: > > casefold:tolower > > so that the mac would see it that way, wouldn't it? otherwise i think > netatalk does a litteral > translation of the cases. > > but i didn't see that option in his config. Walt is right in all points. Thanks. -Christoph Sold From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Thu Mar 1 04:22:16 2001 Return-Path: Received: from funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.27]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id EAA00802 for ; Thu, 1 Mar 2001 04:22:16 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id EAA16492 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Thu, 1 Mar 2001 04:22:08 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id EAA16482 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Thu, 1 Mar 2001 04:22:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from gekko.i-clue.de (server.ms-agentur.de [62.153.134.194]) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id EAA16448 for ; Thu, 1 Mar 2001 04:22:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from i-clue.de (automatix.i-clue.de [192.168.0.112]) by gekko.i-clue.de (8.9.3/8.9.3/SuSE Linux 8.9.3-0.1) with ESMTP id LAA07804; Thu, 1 Mar 2001 11:28:18 +0100 Message-ID: <3A9E150F.64285297@i-clue.de> Date: Thu, 01 Mar 2001 10:23:27 +0100 From: Christoph Sold Reply-To: so@server.i-clue.de X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [de] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: de MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Paramjit Cheema CC: netatalk-admins@umich.edu Subject: Re: installing netatalk on freebsd References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Paramjit Cheema schrieb: > > Dear list , > > i was installing netatalk-1.4b2+asun2.1.3 on freebsd 4.2 and it stopped > in the middle of make process giving the following error i have des lib > installed . > > gcc -DBSD4_4 -O2 -I../../include -DUSE_PAM -DAPPLCNAME -DSHADOWPW > -c u > nix.c > unix.c:302: unbalanced `#endif' > unix.c:327: unbalanced `#endif' > *** Error code 1 > > Stop in /netatalk-1.4b2+asun2.1.3/etc/afpd. > *** Error code 1 > > Stop in /netatalk-1.4b2+asun2.1.3/etc/afpd. > *** Error code 1 > > Stop in /netatalk-1.4b2+asun2.1.3/etc. > *** Error code 1 > > Stop in /netatalk-1.4b2+asun2.1.3/sys/freebsd. > *** Error code 1 > > Stop in /netatalk-1.4b2+asun2.1.3. > > could anybody . please help me intracing out this problem Use the port. No problems compiling it. $ su Passwd: # cd /usr/ports/net/netatalk-1.4b2+asun2.1.3 # make install distclean and you're setup. HTH -Christoph Sold From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Thu Mar 1 05:00:21 2001 Return-Path: Received: from easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.26]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id FAA01288 for ; Thu, 1 Mar 2001 05:00:21 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id FAA17605 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Thu, 1 Mar 2001 05:00:21 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id FAA17583 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Thu, 1 Mar 2001 05:00:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from ns.srz-berlin.de (ns.srz-berlin.de [212.5.11.1]) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id FAA17532 for ; Thu, 1 Mar 2001 05:00:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from srz-berlin.de (gw.srz-berlin.de [212.5.11.2]) by ns.srz-berlin.de (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id LAA19725; Thu, 1 Mar 2001 11:00:09 +0100 Sender: bringi@ns.srz-berlin.de Message-ID: <3A9E1E0C.E400478F@srz-berlin.de> Date: Thu, 01 Mar 2001 11:01:48 +0100 From: Axel Bringenberg Organization: Satz-Rechen-Zentrum Berlin - Systemgruppe (http://www.srz.de) X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [de] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.16-22smp i686) X-Accept-Language: de-DE, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Marc Miller CC: Florian Schedler , Netatalk Mailing List Subject: Re: chown invalid argument (was: Re: AW: Still Only Cleartext) References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Marc Miller schrieb: > > Is it always the same uid (16777216)? Does that uid correspond to anyone > registered on your system? I have seen chown #/-1 and chown -1/# errors, > but not with that UID. Yes, in case of "[...]: invald argument" it is always uid 16777216 and in case of "[...]: Operation not permitted" it's always gid 0. Axel. From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Thu Mar 1 05:05:01 2001 Return-Path: Received: from funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.27]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id FAA01340 for ; Thu, 1 Mar 2001 05:05:01 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id FAA09360 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Thu, 1 Mar 2001 05:04:53 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id FAA09348 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Thu, 1 Mar 2001 05:04:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from ns.srz-berlin.de (ns.srz-berlin.de [212.5.11.1]) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id FAA09312 for ; Thu, 1 Mar 2001 05:04:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from srz-berlin.de (gw.srz-berlin.de [212.5.11.2]) by ns.srz-berlin.de (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id LAA20429; Thu, 1 Mar 2001 11:04:53 +0100 Sender: bringi@ns.srz-berlin.de Message-ID: <3A9E1F28.C8450143@srz-berlin.de> Date: Thu, 01 Mar 2001 11:06:32 +0100 From: Axel Bringenberg Organization: Satz-Rechen-Zentrum Berlin - Systemgruppe (http://www.srz.de) X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [de] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.16-22smp i686) X-Accept-Language: de-DE, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Marc Miller , Florian Schedler , Netatalk Mailing List Subject: Re: chown invalid argument (was: Re: AW: Still Only Cleartext) References: <3A9E1E0C.E400478F@srz-berlin.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Axel Bringenberg schrieb: > > Marc Miller schrieb: > > > > Is it always the same uid (16777216)? Does that uid correspond to anyone > > registered on your system? I have seen chown #/-1 and chown -1/# errors, > > but not with that UID. > > Yes, in case of "[...]: invald argument" it is always uid 16777216 and > in case of "[...]: Operation not permitted" it's always gid 0. Oh, and no: This uid does correspond not to anyone registered on my system. As I described in my little test results, I'm the only "normal" user. Highest uid/gid is 500. Axel. From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Thu Mar 1 09:17:55 2001 Return-Path: Received: from funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.27]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id JAA05260 for ; Thu, 1 Mar 2001 09:17:55 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id JAA27311 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Thu, 1 Mar 2001 09:17:47 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id JAA27289 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Thu, 1 Mar 2001 09:17:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from tsmtp5.mail.isp ([195.235.113.141]) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id JAA27247 for ; Thu, 1 Mar 2001 09:17:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from [10.0.0.3] ([213.97.106.73]) by tsmtp5.mail.isp (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with ESMTP id G9IVLJ06.B6C for ; Thu, 1 Mar 2001 15:15:19 +0100 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/9.0.2509 Date: Thu, 01 Mar 2001 15:17:52 +0100 Subject: FreeBSD - Building 1.5pre3... From: Jason Quigley To: Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Sender: jason_quigley@terra.es Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Hi! Does anybody have any tips on building 1.5pre* under FreeBSD 4.2? I have these packages installed: autoconf-2.13 automake-1.4 gettext-0.10.35 gmake-3.79.1 libtool-1.3.4_2 m4-1.4 makedepend-2000.12.28 %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% When I run make, I get the following error: [vulcan:~/netatalk] jason# make make all-recursive Making all in libatalk Making all in adouble "Makefile", line 231: Need an operator make: fatal errors encountered -- cannot continue *** Error code 1 Stop in /root/netatalk/libatalk. *** Error code 1 Stop in /root/netatalk. *** Error code 1 Stop in /root/netatalk. [vulcan:~/netatalk] jason# %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% Line 231 reads: -include $(DEP_FILES) %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% This somehow doesn't seem right. Am I missing other prerequisites? Maybe gawk instead of awk? I can't think of anything else related to Makefile munging. Thanks, Jason. From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Thu Mar 1 09:32:58 2001 Return-Path: Received: from funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.27]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id JAA05699 for ; Thu, 1 Mar 2001 09:32:58 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id JAA20351 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Thu, 1 Mar 2001 09:32:51 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id JAA20334 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Thu, 1 Mar 2001 09:32:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from gorila.master.com.br ([200.250.181.129]) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id JAA20244 for ; Thu, 1 Mar 2001 09:32:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from master.com.br (IDENT:cass@[200.250.181.150]) by gorila.master.com.br (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA26402 for ; Thu, 1 Mar 2001 09:33:56 -0300 Message-ID: <3A9E5D83.2050300@master.com.br> Date: Thu, 01 Mar 2001 11:32:35 -0300 From: Cass Surek User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux 2.2.17-14cl i686; en-US; m18) Gecko/20001107 Netscape6/6.0 X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: netatalk-admins@umich.edu Subject: [Fwd: Mac OS 8.1] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------030907030700040209050203" --------------030907030700040209050203 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit A while ago I posted this, but got no response. We found out that if we enter the IP address of the server, it works out fine, but just a double click on the server on the Chooser won't work. Thanks Cass -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Mac OS 8.1 Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2001 10:01:03 -0500 (EST) Resent-From: netatalk-admins@umich.edu Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2001 11:39:43 -0300 From: Cass Surek To: netatalk-admins@umich.edu Guys, Are there any problems with the Mac OS 8.1 and netatalk? 8.1 doesn't work (it won't even bring me the login page), but 8.6 does. Thank you for any clues, Cass Surek --------------030907030700040209050203 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit A while ago I posted this, but got no response.
We found out that if we enter the IP address of the server, it works out fine, but just a double click on the server on the Chooser won't work.

Thanks

Cass


-------- Original Message --------
Subject: Mac OS 8.1
Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2001 10:01:03 -0500 (EST)
Resent-From: netatalk-admins@umich.edu
Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2001 11:39:43 -0300
From: Cass Surek <cass@master.com.br>
To: netatalk-admins@umich.edu
 


Guys,

Are there any problems with the Mac OS 8.1 and netatalk?

8.1 doesn't work (it won't even bring me the login page), but 8.6 does.

Thank you for any clues,

Cass Surek
--------------030907030700040209050203-- From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Thu Mar 1 10:33:23 2001 Return-Path: Received: from funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.27]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id KAA07473 for ; Thu, 1 Mar 2001 10:33:23 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id KAA23457 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Thu, 1 Mar 2001 10:33:15 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id KAA23443 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Thu, 1 Mar 2001 10:33:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.euc.de (mail.euc.de [195.63.193.18]) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id KAA23243 for ; Thu, 1 Mar 2001 10:33:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from euc.de (euc-punktum.euc.de [195.63.193.116]) by mail.euc.de (8.9.3/8.9.3/SuSE Linux 8.9.3-0.1) with ESMTP id QAA06060 for ; Thu, 1 Mar 2001 16:30:04 +0100 Message-ID: <3A9E6AFF.D4E84F3E@euc.de> Date: Thu, 01 Mar 2001 16:30:06 +0100 From: Mac Conin Organization: EUC Online Service GmbH X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "netatalk-admins@umich.edu" Subject: losing connection to server Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit hi there, as a newbie to netatalk here's a (I guess) mostly often discussed question... when loggin on to the linux server (suse 7.x, netatalk 1.5.x) the server cuts up the connection afer a period of time. Is there a switch to keep the connections alive when they go idle? -- --schnipp-- best regards --------- Mac Conin From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Thu Mar 1 13:48:38 2001 Return-Path: Received: from kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.25]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id NAA12357 for ; Thu, 1 Mar 2001 13:48:38 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id NAA10029 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Thu, 1 Mar 2001 13:48:38 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id NAA10013 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Thu, 1 Mar 2001 13:48:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from keam1 (keam1.vcc.bc.ca [142.30.247.21]) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with SMTP id NAA09977 for ; Thu, 1 Mar 2001 13:48:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from VCC-Message_Server by keam1 with Novell_GroupWise; Thu, 01 Mar 2001 10:49:49 -0800 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 5.5.4.1 Date: Thu, 01 Mar 2001 10:49:20 -0800 From: "Bryn Hughes" To: Subject: Serious Permissions Problems - URGENT! Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu id NAA12357 I'm having some serious permissions problems on my netatalk-1.4b2+asun2.1.3 system. (Yellow Dog Linux 1.2) There's something not right about the way permissions are getting inherited. I'm getting things like this: Create new folder "Folder B" inside "Folder A"... no problem Create new folder "Folder C" inside "Folder B"... get "You cannot create a folder inside "Folder B" because you do not have sufficient access privileges" Now, that I could sort of live with... The kicker is, the folder DOES get created!!!! So it says it can't, but does anyways. I am the owner of all of the above folders and they SEEM to be correctly inheriting permissions from the previous level up. Now, what's really weird... as I said, Folder C DOES get created. If I open it and then try and create Folder D inside of Folder C, there's no problem! Where is this screwing up?? I can go off and do whatever I want within Folder C, but trying to create anything in Folder B results in the above message. I get the same results when I try and copy a folder into Folder B. This will happen EVERY time I create a folder within Folder A. I can create Folder "B" fine, but then get errors trying to create anything within it. Permissions on "Folder A" are set to drwsrwsr-x. New folders created in Folder A get drwxrwxr-x. I know that this is wrong, and manually changing the permissions to be the same as the parent folder will fix the problem for that one folder. Folders created WITHIN Folder C get drwxrwxr-x permissions as well, yet they work fine. What is going on?!??!?!?!? I'm pulling my hair out!! Thanks in advance, Bryn From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Thu Mar 1 14:22:53 2001 Return-Path: Received: from funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.27]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id OAA13567 for ; Thu, 1 Mar 2001 14:22:53 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id OAA21160 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Thu, 1 Mar 2001 14:22:47 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id OAA21131 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Thu, 1 Mar 2001 14:22:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from keam1 (keam1.vcc.bc.ca [142.30.247.21]) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with SMTP id OAA21079 for ; Thu, 1 Mar 2001 14:22:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from VCC-Message_Server by keam1 with Novell_GroupWise; Thu, 01 Mar 2001 11:24:05 -0800 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 5.5.4.1 Date: Thu, 01 Mar 2001 11:23:30 -0800 From: "Bryn Hughes" To: Subject: Serious Permissions Problems - URGENT! (MORE!) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu id OAA13567 More information: If I change the group to "root" for the affected directories, everything works fine. This is why new directories within the other ones are working, all new directories are getting created with 'root' as the group. I tried creating a new group (testgroup) with nobody but my ID and 'root' as the members, that did not work either. What am I missing?? Bryn >>> "Bryn Hughes" - 3/1/01 10:49 AM >>> I'm having some serious permissions problems on my netatalk-1.4b2+asun2.1.3 system. (Yellow Dog Linux 1.2) There's something not right about the way permissions are getting inherited. I'm getting things like this: Create new folder "Folder B" inside "Folder A"... no problem Create new folder "Folder C" inside "Folder B"... get "You cannot create a folder inside "Folder B" because you do not have sufficient access privileges" Now, that I could sort of live with... The kicker is, the folder DOES get created!!!! So it says it can't, but does anyways. I am the owner of all of the above folders and they SEEM to be correctly inheriting permissions from the previous level up. Now, what's really weird... as I said, Folder C DOES get created. If I open it and then try and create Folder D inside of Folder C, there's no problem! Where is this screwing up?? I can go off and do whatever I want within Folder C, but trying to create anything in Folder B results in the above message. I get the same results when I try and copy a folder into Folder B. This will happen EVERY time I create a folder within Folder A. I can create Folder "B" fine, but then get errors trying to create anything within it. Permissions on "Folder A" are set to drwsrwsr-x. New folders created in Folder A get drwxrwxr-x. I know that this is wrong, and manually changing the permissions to be the same as the parent folder will fix the problem for that one folder. Folders created WITHIN Folder C get drwxrwxr-x permissions as well, yet they work fine. What is going on?!??!?!?!? I'm pulling my hair out!! Thanks in advance, Bryn From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Thu Mar 1 15:35:06 2001 Return-Path: Received: from kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.25]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id PAA16554 for ; Thu, 1 Mar 2001 15:35:06 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id PAA00203 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Thu, 1 Mar 2001 15:35:06 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id PAA00185 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Thu, 1 Mar 2001 15:35:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from gnu.in-berlin.de (gnu.in-berlin.de [192.109.42.4]) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id PAA00140 for ; Thu, 1 Mar 2001 15:35:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from hirsch.in-berlin.de (root@hirsch.colt.in-berlin.de [213.61.118.6]) by gnu.in-berlin.de (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id f21KZ3P12615 for ; Thu, 1 Mar 2001 21:35:03 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from srittau@jroger.in-berlin.de) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by hirsch.in-berlin.de (8.11.1/8.11.1/Debian 8.11.0-6) with UUCP id f21KZ2P02318 for netatalk-admins@umich.edu; Thu, 1 Mar 2001 21:35:02 +0100 X-Envelope-From: srittau@jroger.in-berlin.de X-Envelope-To: netatalk-admins@umich.edu Received: from srittau by jroger.in-berlin.de with local (Exim 3.22 #1 (Debian)) id 14YZ4K-0000mN-00 for ; Thu, 01 Mar 2001 20:48:56 +0100 Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2001 20:48:56 +0100 To: netatalk-admins@umich.edu Subject: Re: FreeBSD - Building 1.5pre3... Message-ID: <20010301204856.B2892@jroger.in-berlin.de> Mail-Followup-To: netatalk-admins@umich.edu References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.15i In-Reply-To: ; from jasonq@mac.com on Thu, Mar 01, 2001 at 03:17:52PM +0100 From: Sebastian Rittau On Thu, Mar 01, 2001 at 03:17:52PM +0100, Jason Quigley wrote: > Does anybody have any tips on building 1.5pre* under FreeBSD 4.2? > > I have these packages installed: > [...] > gmake-3.79.1 [...] > > %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% > > When I run make, I get the following error: > > [vulcan:~/netatalk] jason# make [...] > Stop in /root/netatalk/libatalk. > *** Error code 1 [...] This doesn't look like output from gmake. This may be the problem. - Sebastian From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Thu Mar 1 15:36:41 2001 Return-Path: Received: from easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.26]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id PAA16576 for ; Thu, 1 Mar 2001 15:36:41 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id PAA22290 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Thu, 1 Mar 2001 15:36:41 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id PAA22261 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Thu, 1 Mar 2001 15:36:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from gekko.i-clue.de (server.ms-agentur.de [62.153.134.194]) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id PAA22179 for ; Thu, 1 Mar 2001 15:36:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from i-clue.de (automatix.i-clue.de [192.168.0.112]) by gekko.i-clue.de (8.9.3/8.9.3/SuSE Linux 8.9.3-0.1) with ESMTP id WAA13000; Thu, 1 Mar 2001 22:42:49 +0100 Message-ID: <3A9EB326.7694B792@i-clue.de> Date: Thu, 01 Mar 2001 21:37:58 +0100 From: Christoph Sold Reply-To: so@server.i-clue.de X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [de] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: de MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jason Quigley CC: netatalk-admins@umich.edu Subject: Re: FreeBSD - Building 1.5pre3... References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Did you use gmake? Remember, BSD make is pretty different from GNU make. HTH -Christoph Sold Jason Quigley schrieb: > > Hi! > > Does anybody have any tips on building 1.5pre* under FreeBSD 4.2? > > I have these packages installed: > > autoconf-2.13 > automake-1.4 > gettext-0.10.35 > gmake-3.79.1 > libtool-1.3.4_2 > m4-1.4 > makedepend-2000.12.28 > > %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% > > When I run make, I get the following error: > > [vulcan:~/netatalk] jason# make > make all-recursive > Making all in libatalk > Making all in adouble > "Makefile", line 231: Need an operator > make: fatal errors encountered -- cannot continue > *** Error code 1 > > Stop in /root/netatalk/libatalk. > *** Error code 1 > > Stop in /root/netatalk. > *** Error code 1 > > Stop in /root/netatalk. > [vulcan:~/netatalk] jason# > > %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% > > Line 231 reads: > > -include $(DEP_FILES) > > %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% > > This somehow doesn't seem right. Am I missing other prerequisites? Maybe > gawk instead of awk? I can't think of anything else related to Makefile > munging. > > Thanks, > Jason. -- Freundliche Grüße aus Waiblingen Christoph Sold -- Systemadministrator, i-clue GmbH, Endersbacher Str. 57, 71334 Waiblingen Fon: (0 71 51) 9 59 01-12, Fax: (0 71 51) 9 59 01-55, Mail: so@i-clue.de From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Thu Mar 1 15:55:20 2001 Return-Path: Received: from easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.26]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id PAA17112 for ; Thu, 1 Mar 2001 15:55:20 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id PAA26075 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Thu, 1 Mar 2001 15:55:20 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id PAA26049 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Thu, 1 Mar 2001 15:55:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from rgrjr.dyndns.org (h0050da615e79.ne.mediaone.net [24.218.161.12]) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with SMTP id PAA25987 for ; Thu, 1 Mar 2001 15:55:18 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 16032 invoked by uid 500); 1 Mar 2001 20:55:10 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <15006.46894.567131.805696@h0050da615e79.ne.mediaone.net> Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2001 15:55:10 -0500 From: Bob Rogers To: Cass Surek Cc: netatalk-admins@umich.edu Subject: [Fwd: Mac OS 8.1] In-Reply-To: <3A9E5D83.2050300@master.com.br> References: <3A9E5D83.2050300@master.com.br> X-Mailer: VM 6.89 under Emacs 20.7.1 From: Cass Surek Date: Thu, 01 Mar 2001 11:32:35 -0300 A while ago I posted this, but got no response. That's probably because "won't work" isn't much to go on. We found out that if we enter the IP address of the server, it works out fine, but just a double click on the server on the Chooser won't work. Thanks Cass What version of netatalk? What OS, kernel version, distribution, etc.? Have you verified that the kernel has DDP support loaded? -- Bob Rogers From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Thu Mar 1 15:57:18 2001 Return-Path: Received: from funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.27]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id PAA17153 for ; Thu, 1 Mar 2001 15:57:18 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id PAA18744 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Thu, 1 Mar 2001 15:57:12 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id PAA18734 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Thu, 1 Mar 2001 15:57:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from plato.arts.usyd.edu.au (plato.arts.usyd.edu.au [129.78.16.1]) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id PAA18689 for ; Thu, 1 Mar 2001 15:57:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from arts.usyd.edu.au (IDENT:matthew@holly.aitch.ucc.usyd.edu.au [129.78.226.234]) by plato.arts.usyd.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA10980; Fri, 2 Mar 2001 07:57:04 +1100 (EST) Sender: matthew@plato.arts.usyd.edu.au Message-ID: <3A9EB829.6DEF15BC@arts.usyd.edu.au> Date: Fri, 02 Mar 2001 07:59:21 +1100 From: Matthew Geier Organization: Arts IT Unit, Sydney University X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.2-XFS i686) X-Accept-Language: en, pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mac Conin CC: "netatalk-admins@umich.edu" Subject: Re: losing connection to server References: <3A9E6AFF.D4E84F3E@euc.de> Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/x-pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha1; boundary="------------ms3BB7458027AFF4F7AB4867F1" This is a cryptographically signed message in MIME format. --------------ms3BB7458027AFF4F7AB4867F1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mac Conin wrote: > > hi there, > > as a newbie to netatalk here's a (I guess) mostly often discussed question... > > when loggin on to the linux server (suse 7.x, netatalk 1.5.x) > the server cuts up the connection afer a period of time. > > Is there a switch to keep the connections alive when they go idle? An ASIP capable client that connects via AppleTalk instead of IP will do this. Been discussed before, but no one has offered a solution. I.E, on my installation if a MacOS 8.1 or later machine connects via AppleTalk they will get booted off in about 5 minutes. Via TCP/IP it works fine. I found some 8.6 machines connecting via AppleTalk instead of IP when they were set to 'connect at startup'. We also run 'keyserver' which has both AppleTalk and IP communications. When its set to IP, it forces the IP stack to load before the AppleShare prep is read, thus IP is available when the shares are mounted. The disconnection problem is still there, but the users don't notice any more. 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From: Jason Quigley To: , Sebastian Rittau CC: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <3A9EB326.7694B792@i-clue.de> Mime-version: 1.0 Sender: jason_quigley@terra.es Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Thanks guys! Looks like I was a silly boy. I should have been using 'gmake' instead of 'make'. Why it didn't register I don't know! The expression "Can't see the wood for the trees" springs to mind. Anyway, the compile is going a bit better now. It's failing due to a missing crypt.h. I'm not sure where to get this header file. Any ideas? There are various cryptography packages and I don't want to install them willy nilly until I get what I need. I have the DES libs installed: lrwxrwxrwx 1 root wheel 13 Feb 1 18:29 /usr/lib/libcrypt.a -> libdescrypt.a lrwxrwxrwx 1 root wheel 14 Feb 1 18:29 /usr/lib/libcrypt.so -> libdescrypt.so lrwxrwxrwx 1 root wheel 16 Feb 1 18:29 /usr/lib/libcrypt.so.2 -> libdescrypt.so.2 lrwxrwxrwx 1 root wheel 15 Feb 1 18:29 /usr/lib/libcrypt_p.a -> libdescrypt_p.a -r--r--r-- 1 root wheel 1287976 Dec 2 17:39 /usr/lib/libcrypto.a lrwxrwxrwx 1 root wheel 14 Feb 1 18:29 /usr/lib/libcrypto.so -> libcrypto.so.1 -r--r--r-- 1 root wheel 790036 Dec 2 17:39 /usr/lib/libcrypto.so.1 -r--r--r-- 1 root wheel 1376598 Dec 2 17:39 /usr/lib/libcrypto_p.a I'm not sure what to do. In Debian Linux, it was just a case of installing the dev pkg. I'm still trying to find my way around xBSDland. Thanks, Jason. On 1/3/01 9:37 pm, "Christoph Sold" wrote: > Did you use gmake? Remember, BSD make is pretty different from GNU make. > > HTH > -Christoph Sold > > Jason Quigley schrieb: >> >> Hi! >> >> Does anybody have any tips on building 1.5pre* under FreeBSD 4.2? >> >> I have these packages installed: >> >> autoconf-2.13 >> automake-1.4 >> gettext-0.10.35 >> gmake-3.79.1 >> libtool-1.3.4_2 >> m4-1.4 >> makedepend-2000.12.28 >> >> %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% >> >> When I run make, I get the following error: >> >> [vulcan:~/netatalk] jason# make >> make all-recursive >> Making all in libatalk >> Making all in adouble >> "Makefile", line 231: Need an operator >> make: fatal errors encountered -- cannot continue >> *** Error code 1 >> >> Stop in /root/netatalk/libatalk. >> *** Error code 1 >> >> Stop in /root/netatalk. >> *** Error code 1 >> >> Stop in /root/netatalk. >> [vulcan:~/netatalk] jason# >> >> %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% >> >> Line 231 reads: >> >> -include $(DEP_FILES) >> >> %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% >> >> This somehow doesn't seem right. Am I missing other prerequisites? Maybe >> gawk instead of awk? I can't think of anything else related to Makefile >> munging. >> >> Thanks, >> Jason. From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Thu Mar 1 19:08:03 2001 Return-Path: Received: from funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.27]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id TAA23613 for ; Thu, 1 Mar 2001 19:08:03 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id TAA28938 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Thu, 1 Mar 2001 19:07:57 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id TAA28911 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Thu, 1 Mar 2001 19:07:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from email.wm.edu (mars.wm.edu [128.239.10.11]) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id TAA28876 for ; Thu, 1 Mar 2001 19:07:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from unix1 (unix1.wm.edu [128.239.10.21]) by email.wm.edu (2.1.2/8.9.1/Execmail 2.1) with ESMTP id TAA12617; Thu, 1 Mar 2001 19:07:58 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2001 19:26:51 -0500 (EST) From: Rob Lineweaver To: Heath Henderson cc: netatalk-admins@umich.edu Subject: Re: Password Change ? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > > I want to be able to allow users to change their passwords? How do I enable > this feature. Every time I try I get an error that it was unable to save > the password. > Heath, from the afpd.conf manpage: -[no]setpassword Enables or disables the ability of clients to change their passwords so you probably just want to add -setpassword to /etc/atalk/afpd.conf. hope this fixes it, Rob Lineweaver From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Thu Mar 1 19:49:11 2001 Return-Path: Received: from easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.26]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id TAA24641 for ; Thu, 1 Mar 2001 19:49:11 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id TAA29875 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Thu, 1 Mar 2001 19:49:11 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id TAA29851 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Thu, 1 Mar 2001 19:49:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from sh.stonehenge-net.com (dsl081-053-198-sfo1.dsl-isp.net [64.81.53.198]) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id TAA29814 for ; Thu, 1 Mar 2001 19:49:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from stonehenge-net.com ([162.70.219.138]) by sh.stonehenge-net.com (8.9.3/8.8.7) with ESMTP id QAA01578 for ; Thu, 1 Mar 2001 16:49:13 -0500 Message-ID: <3A9EEDF7.8070507@stonehenge-net.com> Date: Thu, 01 Mar 2001 16:48:55 -0800 From: ben User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; WinNT4.0; en-US; 0.8) Gecko/20010215 X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: netatalk-admins@umich.edu Subject: password problems on FreeBSD 4.2-stable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit sorry to bug you with a question you've answered before, but i've perused the list archives and the faq-o-matic, and i see that others have had this problem before me, but i can't locate any answers to it: guests can log in with no problems, but any users with passwords are rejected. i'm guessing that my install pointed to the wrong crypto libs, and that the resulting passwords are therefore coming out wrong, but then i'm pretty new at this :) thanks, Ben From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Fri Mar 2 05:03:59 2001 Return-Path: Received: from easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.26]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id FAA05914 for ; Fri, 2 Mar 2001 05:03:59 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id FAA14700 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Fri, 2 Mar 2001 05:03:59 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id FAA14678 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Fri, 2 Mar 2001 05:03:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from jump.tangro.de (cray-ymp.tangro.de [193.155.17.164]) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id FAA14621 for ; Fri, 2 Mar 2001 05:03:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from janus.tangro.de (janus.tangro.de [193.155.17.163]) by jump.tangro.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA19909; Fri, 2 Mar 2001 11:03:47 +0100 (CET) Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20010302095341.00b7fb20@mail.tangro.de> X-Sender: hf@mail.tangro.de (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Fri, 02 Mar 2001 10:03:50 +0100 To: Jason Quigley From: Hauke Fath Subject: Re: FreeBSD - Building 1.5pre3... Cc: , Sebastian Rittau , In-Reply-To: References: <3A9EB326.7694B792@i-clue.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 22:57 01.03.01 +0100, Jason Quigley wrote: >Looks like I was a silly boy. I should have been using 'gmake' instead of >'make'. Why it didn't register I don't know! The expression "Can't see the >wood for the trees" springs to mind. No. Looks like those who did the transition to autoconf are the silly boys - because they built in needless dependencies on GNU make. The majority of configure scripts out there does _not_ depend on GNU make but instead works with a reasonable subset of make commands that is supported by a wide variety of make tools out there. Whoever is responsible for this gratuitous change: Please remove any gmake dependencies. Netatalk has long been a cross-platform application that could be built without having half a GNU-Linux distribution around. Let's keep it that way. My 0.02 EUR, hauke -- Hauke Fath Tangro Software Components GmbH D-69115 Heidelberg hf@Tangro.DE Ruf +49-6221-13336-0, Fax -21 From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Fri Mar 2 07:53:13 2001 Return-Path: Received: from funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.27]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id HAA08233 for ; Fri, 2 Mar 2001 07:53:12 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id HAA03543 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Fri, 2 Mar 2001 07:53:06 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id HAA03528 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Fri, 2 Mar 2001 07:53:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from dave-world.net (dave-world.net [204.189.73.19]) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id HAA03511 for ; Fri, 2 Mar 2001 07:53:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from heath [205.139.250.148] by dave-world.net (SMTPD32-6.05) id A6B668AB0126; Fri, 02 Mar 2001 06:48:54 -0600 From: "Heath Henderson" To: Cc: , Subject: Filemaker on the Web Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2001 06:56:55 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal Does anyone have any experience posting Filemaker Databases to the Web. We have many good Dept. Databases that we would like to push out to the web, but I am not experienced in coding any of this. I am going to learn it however, but I need some examples to work off of. Thanks for any help Heath Henderson From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Fri Mar 2 09:26:38 2001 Return-Path: Received: from funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.27]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id JAA09800 for ; Fri, 2 Mar 2001 09:26:38 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id JAA10607 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Fri, 2 Mar 2001 09:26:32 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id JAA10591 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Fri, 2 Mar 2001 09:26:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.euc.de (mail.euc.de [195.63.193.18]) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id JAA10557 for ; Fri, 2 Mar 2001 09:26:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from euc.de (euc-punktum.euc.de [195.63.193.116]) by mail.euc.de (8.9.3/8.9.3/SuSE Linux 8.9.3-0.1) with ESMTP id PAA14809 for ; Fri, 2 Mar 2001 15:23:24 +0100 Message-ID: <3A9FACDA.2635F277@euc.de> Date: Fri, 02 Mar 2001 15:23:23 +0100 From: Mac Conin Organization: EUC Online Service GmbH X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: "netatalk-admins@umich.edu" Subject: Re: losing connection to server References: <3A9E6AFF.D4E84F3E@euc.de> <3A9EB829.6DEF15BC@arts.usyd.edu.au> Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/x-pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha1; boundary="------------msC07EE1946AADCF149F03DCE5" This is a cryptographically signed message in MIME format. --------------msC07EE1946AADCF149F03DCE5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks for the anser The client i've used started first with a Appletalk-Connection to a Novell-Server. When I then connected to the Linux-Box via TCP the connection dropped.. After changing the order of mounting (first to the Linux Box, afterwards to the AplleTalk-Connectio everytings seems fine. Strange land ... Matthew Geier wrote: > = > Mac Conin wrote: > > > > hi there, > > > > as a newbie to netatalk here's a (I guess) mostly often discussed que= stion... > > > > when loggin on to the linux server (suse 7.x, netatalk 1.5.x) > > the server cuts up the connection afer a period of time. > > > > Is there a switch to keep the connections alive when they go idle? > = > An ASIP capable client that connects via AppleTalk instead of IP will > do this. Been discussed before, but no one has offered a solution. > I.E, on my installation if a MacOS 8.1 or later machine connects via > AppleTalk they will get booted off in about 5 minutes. Via TCP/IP it > works fine. > I found some 8.6 machines connecting via AppleTalk instead of IP when > they were set to 'connect at startup'. We also run 'keyserver' which ha= s > both AppleTalk and IP communications. When its set to IP, it forces the= > IP stack to load before the AppleShare prep is read, thus IP is > available when the shares are mounted. > The disconnection problem is still there, but the users don't notice > any more. 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References: <3A9EB326.7694B792@i-clue.de> <4.3.2.7.2.20010302095341.00b7fb20@mail.tangro.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hauke Fath wrote: > > At 22:57 01.03.01 +0100, Jason Quigley wrote: > > >Looks like I was a silly boy. I should have been using 'gmake' instead of > >'make'. Why it didn't register I don't know! The expression "Can't see the > >wood for the trees" springs to mind. > > No. Looks like those who did the transition to autoconf are the silly boys > - because they built in needless dependencies on GNU make. > > The majority of configure scripts out there does _not_ depend on GNU make > but instead works with a reasonable subset of make commands that is > supported by a wide variety of make tools out there. > > Whoever is responsible for this gratuitous change: Please remove any gmake > dependencies. Netatalk has long been a cross-platform application that > could be built without having half a GNU-Linux distribution around. Let's > keep it that way. It was a tradeoff. We don't have to worry about maintaining the Makefile system to pass huge numbers of parameters from one place to another, or editing Makefiles to add shadow password support, or anything. In exchange for that, you need a few GNU utilities. The best cross-platform source code packages I have seen so far use GNU autoconf (like samba, if I'm not mistaken). The old makefile system also generated more netatalk-admin questions about its use than almost anything else in the 1.4b2+asunx.x.x series. I don't think the transition to GNU autoconf was silly. It was a way to make things a little bit more cross-platform and easier to maintain. Tru64 support was added recently with little or no trouble, as an example of this. If we need to keep the symbolic links, etc, out of the distribution, I'll make sure that there aren't any there when I tar it up for distribution the next time. jeff From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Fri Mar 2 09:46:46 2001 Return-Path: Received: from funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.27]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id JAA10245 for ; Fri, 2 Mar 2001 09:46:46 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id JAA03167 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Fri, 2 Mar 2001 09:46:39 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id JAA03135 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Fri, 2 Mar 2001 09:46:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from specialreserve.net (www3.reserve.co.uk [195.216.17.3]) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id JAA03085 for ; Fri, 2 Mar 2001 09:46:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from [192.168.1.57] (195.216.17.40) by specialreserve.net with ESMTP (Eudora Internet Mail Server 2.2.2); Fri, 2 Mar 2001 14:46:51 +0000 User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Fri, 02 Mar 2001 14:46:08 +0000 Subject: Re: Filemaker on the Web From: Basil Hussain To: Heath Henderson CC: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Organization: Inter-Mediates Ltd. Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Hi, > Does anyone have any experience posting Filemaker Databases to the Web. We > have many good Dept. Databases that we would like to push out to the web, > but I am not experienced in coding any of this. I am going to learn it > however, but I need some examples to work off of. I have just one word of advice - don't. It may be fine to start with using the Filemaker Web Companion or something like Lasso and WebStar, if your usage is going to be light. But, if you're going to be getting any more than light usage, then I would advise against either of these options - and against Filemaker altogether even. The company I work at used to be a solely Mac environment, so our web site started out working completely with Lasso and WebStar. Needless to say, we had to restart the web serving Mac virtually every day, as crashes were a frequent occurance. Even later on, as things got more popular, with 5 Macs serving web pages and one Filemaker Server, things didn't improve. We've since switched to PC servers with Linux, Apache, PHP, MySQL and of course, Netatalk. Our uptime is now measured in months, not hours... But, you probably don't want to hear this. So, if you're a novice and only need a really basic solution for a few people here-and-there to access occasionally via the Web then I'd go for the bundled Filemaker Web Companion. I've never used it myself, but I gather it's pretty simple stuff. But, if you're planning on beginning the makings of an e-commerce presence for your company, then steer well clear of Filemaker. Regards, ------------------------------------------------ Basil Hussain (basil.hussain@specialreserve.net) From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Fri Mar 2 10:16:36 2001 Return-Path: Received: from funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.27]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id KAA10947 for ; Fri, 2 Mar 2001 10:16:36 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id KAA05900 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Fri, 2 Mar 2001 10:16:29 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id KAA05884 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Fri, 2 Mar 2001 10:16:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from neuman.interaccess.com (from.interaccess.com [207.208.131.20]) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id KAA05854 for ; Fri, 2 Mar 2001 10:16:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from [192.168.1.118] (a10.240.208.207.ded25.interaccess.com [207.208.240.10]) by neuman.interaccess.com (8.10.2/8.10.2) with ESMTP id f22FGTD17388; Fri, 2 Mar 2001 09:16:29 -0600 (CST) User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Fri, 02 Mar 2001 09:15:41 -0600 Subject: Re: Filemaker on the Web From: "Bruce A. Burdick, Jr." To: , Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit FileMaker can, however, be used as your master database, and can function as a web-hosted admin database, very well. It can exchange data with MySQL or PostgreSQL. These two are _much_ better for web applications. comp.databases.filemaker has some fairly good discussions on occasion. And members of the Apache/MySQL/PHP list (AMP@dynapolis.com) seem to be interested in this topic to a certain degree. -B... > From: Basil Hussain > Organization: Inter-Mediates Ltd. > Date: Fri, 02 Mar 2001 14:46:08 +0000 > To: Heath Henderson > Cc: > Subject: Re: Filemaker on the Web > Resent-From: netatalk-admins@umich.edu > Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2001 09:53:23 -0500 (EST) > > Hi, > >> Does anyone have any experience posting Filemaker Databases to the Web. We >> have many good Dept. Databases that we would like to push out to the web, >> but I am not experienced in coding any of this. I am going to learn it >> however, but I need some examples to work off of. > > I have just one word of advice - don't. It may be fine to start with using > the Filemaker Web Companion or something like Lasso and WebStar, if your > usage is going to be light. But, if you're going to be getting any more than > light usage, then I would advise against either of these options - and > against Filemaker altogether even. > > The company I work at used to be a solely Mac environment, so our web site > started out working completely with Lasso and WebStar. Needless to say, we > had to restart the web serving Mac virtually every day, as crashes were a > frequent occurance. Even later on, as things got more popular, with 5 Macs > serving web pages and one Filemaker Server, things didn't improve. We've > since switched to PC servers with Linux, Apache, PHP, MySQL and of course, > Netatalk. Our uptime is now measured in months, not hours... > > But, you probably don't want to hear this. So, if you're a novice and only > need a really basic solution for a few people here-and-there to access > occasionally via the Web then I'd go for the bundled Filemaker Web > Companion. I've never used it myself, but I gather it's pretty simple stuff. > > But, if you're planning on beginning the makings of an e-commerce presence > for your company, then steer well clear of Filemaker. > > Regards, > > ------------------------------------------------ > Basil Hussain (basil.hussain@specialreserve.net) > From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Fri Mar 2 10:21:16 2001 Return-Path: Received: from easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.26]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id KAA11071 for ; Fri, 2 Mar 2001 10:21:16 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id KAA12780 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Fri, 2 Mar 2001 10:21:16 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id KAA12755 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Fri, 2 Mar 2001 10:21:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.magicgoeshere.com (NW152-60.indigo.ie [194.125.152.60] (may be forged)) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id KAA12575 for ; Fri, 2 Mar 2001 10:21:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from bagend.local (unknown [194.165.171.174]) by mail.magicgoeshere.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 54113FAEE for ; Fri, 2 Mar 2001 15:12:50 +0000 (GMT) Received: (from niall@localhost) by bagend.local (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA01107 for netatalk-admins@umich.edu; Fri, 2 Mar 2001 13:27:01 GMT Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2001 13:27:01 +0000 From: Niall O Broin To: netatalk-admins@umich.edu Subject: netatalk compatible utilities Message-ID: <20010302132701.A1076@bagend.local> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i This is something which has been buzzing around in my head for literally years since shortly after I first used netatalk. Everyone who administers system with netatalk finds himself manipulating Mac. files and writing little scripts to take care of the pesky resource forks (don't get me wrong - I think file metadata is a wonderful idea, and I'd love for it to be implemented in Linux, but those on high don't seem to much like it). I think there is a need for netatalk enabled versions of ls,rm,cp,mv,mkdir,ln and find (on Linux systems, all except find are part of the GNU fileutils package) Program Extra functionality ls show size of both forks, show Mac timestamps from finderinfo rm Remove resource forks where they exist cp Copy resource forks also if existing, making .AppleDouble as needed mv Move resource forks also if existing, making .AppleDouble as needed mkdir Make .AppleDouble automatically - probably not necessary ln Link resource forks also if existing, making .AppleDouble as needed find Add -mactype, -creator, -resourcesize Of course there are probably other functionalities to be added, and other programs which might need changing, but this lot might be a good start. I wouldn't propose modifying the standard utilities - I'd add an extra set called e.g. na_$UTILITY or somesuch. A thought has just occured to me - how has Apple handled this with MacOS X ? I presume they've built a filesystem with integrated metadata. Regards, Niall O Broin From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Fri Mar 2 10:43:46 2001 Return-Path: Received: from funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.27]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id KAA11913 for ; Fri, 2 Mar 2001 10:43:46 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id KAA05743 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Fri, 2 Mar 2001 10:43:39 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id KAA05719 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Fri, 2 Mar 2001 10:43:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from jump.tangro.de (cray-ymp.tangro.de [193.155.17.164]) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id KAA05674 for ; Fri, 2 Mar 2001 10:43:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from [193.155.17.160] (whizz.tangro.de [193.155.17.160]) by jump.tangro.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA01140; Fri, 2 Mar 2001 16:43:32 +0100 (CET) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: hf@mail.tangro.de (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3A9FB0E3.D40A4F07@univrel.pr.uconn.edu> References: <3A9EB326.7694B792@i-clue.de> <4.3.2.7.2.20010302095341.00b7fb20@mail.tangro.de> <3A9FB0E3.D40A4F07@univrel.pr.uconn.edu> Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2001 16:43:28 +0100 To: jeff From: Hauke Fath Subject: Re: FreeBSD - Building 1.5pre3... Cc: Jason Quigley , so@server.i-clue.de, Sebastian Rittau , netatalk-admins@umich.edu Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" At 9:40 Uhr -0500 02.03.2001, jeff wrote: >I don't think the transition to GNU autoconf was silly. It was a way to >make things a little bit more cross-platform and easier to maintain. Well, there are two things to keep apart: The use of autoconf, and setting up the whole configuration so that GNU make must be used. For 1) I am not up to speed wrt the current netatalk sources, but I recall that the build on NetBSD/mac68k broke early on a while back, and I did not get anywhere with the autoconf related pieces. A query for autoconf pointers/tutorials/whatever information to the developers' list dropped to the floor, unanswered. For 2) please correct me if I am wrong, but autoconf does _not_ enforce the use of GNU make. There are a lot of autoconf based packages out there that do not rely on GNU make extensions to standard make features. A notable exception is gcc, but netatalk does not have its complexity. The emphasis of my mail lay on 2). hauke -- Hauke Fath tangro software components GmbH D-69115 Heidelberg hf@tangro.de Ruf +49-6221-13336-0, Fax -21 From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Fri Mar 2 11:18:53 2001 Return-Path: Received: from easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.26]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id LAA12886 for ; Fri, 2 Mar 2001 11:18:53 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id LAA22475 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Fri, 2 Mar 2001 11:18:53 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id LAA22454 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Fri, 2 Mar 2001 11:18:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from sunflare.ccs.yorku.ca (sunflare.ccs.yorku.ca [130.63.236.128]) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id LAA22385 for ; Fri, 2 Mar 2001 11:18:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from sunlight.ccs.yorku.ca (sunlight.ccs.yorku.ca [130.63.236.85]) by sunflare.ccs.yorku.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA08622 for ; Fri, 2 Mar 2001 11:18:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (rickg@localhost) by sunlight.ccs.yorku.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA27541 for ; Fri, 2 Mar 2001 11:18:47 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: sunlight.ccs.yorku.ca: rickg owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2001 11:18:47 -0500 (EST) From: Richard Goldberg X-X-Sender: To: Subject: Bad ATP request Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hi all, Starting last week, we are all of the sudden getting lots of the following error in our log files Mar 2 11:06:47 hostname papd[10750]: Bad ATP request! We have made no changes in our atalk config in the past few weeks. What does this mean, and whay would it start all of the sudded. Thanks ***************************** ************************************** *Rick Goldberg * * * *Graduate Student * * "I never wanted to be average, * *Computer Science Dept * * because when you are average you * *York University * * are just as far from the top as * *Toronto, Canada * * you are from the bottom." * *rickg@yorku.ca * * -Stan Cottrell- * *www.cs.yorku.ca/~rickg * * * ***************************** ************************************** "If you don't invest very much, the defeat doesn't hurt, But winning isn't very exciting." From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Fri Mar 2 14:46:51 2001 Return-Path: Received: from funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.27]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id OAA18445 for ; Fri, 2 Mar 2001 14:46:51 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id OAA02189 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Fri, 2 Mar 2001 14:46:44 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id OAA02178 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Fri, 2 Mar 2001 14:46:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from tsmtp6.mail.isp ([195.235.113.141]) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id OAA02134 for ; Fri, 2 Mar 2001 14:46:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from [10.0.0.3] ([213.97.106.73]) by tsmtp6.mail.isp (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with ESMTP id G9L5HQ03.C0H for ; Fri, 2 Mar 2001 20:44:14 +0100 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/9.0.2509 Date: Fri, 02 Mar 2001 20:46:47 +0100 Subject: Re: FreeBSD - Building 1.5pre3... From: Jason Quigley To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Sender: jason_quigley@terra.es Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Hi list! I have managed to get the software compiled and running. I can see the server in the chooser. I am now getting the following error message when I select the server: "The User Authentication Method required by this server can't be found. Please check the AppleShare folder in the Extensions folder and try again." I assume this has something to do with the DES encryption. I assume also that plain text passwords are disabled. Is there any way of adding the DES capability to the Mac? Or, failing that, just re-enable plain text passwords in the compile? Do any fellow FreeBSDers think it would be worth making a package of this version? Too cutting edge? Many thanks, Jason. On 1/3/01 22:57, "Jason Quigley" wrote: > Thanks guys! > > Looks like I was a silly boy. I should have been using 'gmake' instead of > 'make'. Why it didn't register I don't know! The expression "Can't see the > wood for the trees" springs to mind. > > Anyway, the compile is going a bit better now. It's failing due to a missing > crypt.h. I'm not sure where to get this header file. Any ideas? There are > various cryptography packages and I don't want to install them willy nilly > until I get what I need. > > I have the DES libs installed: > > lrwxrwxrwx 1 root wheel 13 Feb 1 18:29 /usr/lib/libcrypt.a -> > libdescrypt.a > lrwxrwxrwx 1 root wheel 14 Feb 1 18:29 /usr/lib/libcrypt.so -> > libdescrypt.so > lrwxrwxrwx 1 root wheel 16 Feb 1 18:29 /usr/lib/libcrypt.so.2 -> > libdescrypt.so.2 > lrwxrwxrwx 1 root wheel 15 Feb 1 18:29 /usr/lib/libcrypt_p.a -> > libdescrypt_p.a > -r--r--r-- 1 root wheel 1287976 Dec 2 17:39 /usr/lib/libcrypto.a > lrwxrwxrwx 1 root wheel 14 Feb 1 18:29 /usr/lib/libcrypto.so -> > libcrypto.so.1 > -r--r--r-- 1 root wheel 790036 Dec 2 17:39 /usr/lib/libcrypto.so.1 > -r--r--r-- 1 root wheel 1376598 Dec 2 17:39 /usr/lib/libcrypto_p.a > > I'm not sure what to do. In Debian Linux, it was just a case of installing > the dev pkg. I'm still trying to find my way around xBSDland. > > Thanks, > Jason. > > From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Fri Mar 2 15:04:27 2001 Return-Path: Received: from kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.25]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id PAA18963 for ; Fri, 2 Mar 2001 15:04:26 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id PAA29811 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Fri, 2 Mar 2001 15:04:26 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id PAA29805 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Fri, 2 Mar 2001 15:04:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from tsmtp1.mail.isp ([195.235.113.141]) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id PAA29790 for ; Fri, 2 Mar 2001 15:04:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from [10.0.0.3] ([213.97.106.73]) by tsmtp1.mail.isp (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with ESMTP id G9L6B203.HAX for ; Fri, 2 Mar 2001 21:01:50 +0100 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/9.0.2509 Date: Fri, 02 Mar 2001 21:04:23 +0100 Subject: SOLVED: FreeBSD - Building 1.5pre3... From: Jason Quigley To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Sender: jason_quigley@terra.es Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Hate to reply to my own posts - it means I leapt before looking! Anyway, I fixed the problem. I just forgot a couple of sym links. My question about the BSD package still stands, though. Cheers, Jason. On 2/3/01 20:46, "Jason Quigley" wrote: > Hi list! > > I have managed to get the software compiled and running. I can see the > server in the chooser. I am now getting the following error message when I > select the server: > > "The User Authentication Method required by this server can't be found. > Please check the AppleShare folder in the Extensions folder and try again." > > I assume this has something to do with the DES encryption. I assume also > that plain text passwords are disabled. Is there any way of adding the DES > capability to the Mac? Or, failing that, just re-enable plain text passwords > in the compile? > > Do any fellow FreeBSDers think it would be worth making a package of this > version? Too cutting edge? > > Many thanks, > Jason. > From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Fri Mar 2 15:10:17 2001 Return-Path: Received: from kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.25]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id PAA19080 for ; Fri, 2 Mar 2001 15:10:17 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id PAA05266 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Fri, 2 Mar 2001 15:10:17 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id PAA05259 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Fri, 2 Mar 2001 15:10:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from univrel.pr.uconn.edu (univrel.pr.uconn.edu [137.99.59.30]) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id PAA05243 for ; Fri, 2 Mar 2001 15:10:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from univrel.pr.uconn.edu (root@test.pr.uconn.edu [137.99.59.90]) by univrel.pr.uconn.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id PAA18574; Fri, 2 Mar 2001 15:10:13 -0500 Sender: root@univrel.pr.uconn.edu Message-ID: <3A9FFD8C.3F9B0255@univrel.pr.uconn.edu> Date: Fri, 02 Mar 2001 15:07:40 -0500 From: jeff X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.0-0.14mdk i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jason Quigley CC: netatalk-admins@umich.edu Subject: Re: FreeBSD - Building 1.5pre3... References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Jason Quigley wrote: > I have managed to get the software compiled and running. I can see the > server in the chooser. I am now getting the following error message when I > select the server: > > "The User Authentication Method required by this server can't be found. > Please check the AppleShare folder in the Extensions folder and try again." > > I assume this has something to do with the DES encryption. I assume also > that plain text passwords are disabled. Is there any way of adding the DES > capability to the Mac? Or, failing that, just re-enable plain text passwords > in the compile? Upgrade to the newest AppleShare Client that Mac recommends. DHX does not work on older versions of AppleShare Client. jeff From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Fri Mar 2 16:09:18 2001 Return-Path: Received: from funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.27]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id QAA21417 for ; Fri, 2 Mar 2001 16:09:17 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id QAA08378 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Fri, 2 Mar 2001 16:09:11 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id QAA08339 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Fri, 2 Mar 2001 16:09:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from post.ices.cmu.edu (POST.ICES.CMU.EDU [128.2.205.86]) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with SMTP id QAA08314 for ; Fri, 2 Mar 2001 16:09:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from PEEBEE.WV.CC.CMU.EDU by post.ices.cmu.edu id aa12156; 2 Mar 2001 16:08 EST User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Fri, 02 Mar 2001 16:06:00 -0500 Subject: The item "..." cannot be written, because it is locked. From: John G Dorsey To: netatalk-admins@umich.edu MMDF-Warning: Parse error in original version of preceding line at post.ices.cmu.edu Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Hello, I'm running netatalk 1.5pre4 on a Linux box, with a MacOS 9.0.4 client. I've observed that I can create directories in volumes mounted from the Linux box on the MacOS client, but when I attempt to copy a file from the client to the mounted volume, I get: The item "" cannot be written, because it is locked. Do you want to continue? In perusing the archives of this list, I've come across several references to incorrect permissions, particularly on the .AppleDouble directory. I haven't had much luck in choosing various owners, groups, and modes for the files and directories which are being exported. (Even mode 777 doesn't seem to change anything.) The most recent traffic to this effect in the web archive appears to be from 15 Jan 2001, but I don't think there was a resolution posted. May I ask for suggestions as to likely culprits? Thanks! -jd From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Fri Mar 2 17:09:15 2001 Return-Path: Received: from funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.27]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id RAA23162 for ; Fri, 2 Mar 2001 17:09:15 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id RAA14876 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Fri, 2 Mar 2001 17:09:08 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id RAA14869 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Fri, 2 Mar 2001 17:09:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from tsmtp2.mail.isp ([195.235.113.141]) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id RAA14840 for ; Fri, 2 Mar 2001 17:09:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from [10.0.0.3] ([213.97.106.73]) by tsmtp2.mail.isp (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with ESMTP id G9LC3106.89C; Fri, 2 Mar 2001 23:06:37 +0100 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/9.0.2509 Date: Fri, 02 Mar 2001 23:09:10 +0100 Subject: Re: SOLVED: FreeBSD - Building 1.5pre3... From: Jason Quigley To: David Miller CC: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <5.0.1.4.2.20010302161727.01c82648@mx1.design.ohio-state.edu> Mime-version: 1.0 Sender: jason_quigley@terra.es Content-type: multipart/mixed; boundary="B_3066419351_1014787" > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --B_3066419351_1014787 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Hi David! Just place the attached file into /usr/include/ I originally got this from the FreeBSD CVS web interface. One thing I have noticed, though: I was having problems creating folders on the network. I would get an error stating that I hadn't the privilege to create it. As has happened to many people, the folder was created anyway. The main problem is is that this makes copies bomb out which have files or folders within folders, etc. With 1.5pre4, this went away. Aha, great I thought! Only problem was, copying any file onto the network would give me an error saying that it could not be copied because it was locked! I compiled netatalk-1.4.99-0.20001108 and this runs fine. I can create folders and copy files without any trouble. Anyway, this is my last message of the day. Time for beer. Lots of lovely beer! Good luck!! Cheers, Jason. On 2/3/01 22:18, "David Miller" wrote: > How did you finally resolve the missing crypt.h problem? I'm trying to > build on OpenBSD and am running into the same thing. > > > David Miller > Systems Administrator > Department of Design > Department of Art > The Ohio State University > > ph: 614.688.5907 > fx: 614.292.0217 > --B_3066419351_1014787 Content-type: multipart/appledouble; boundary="B_3066419347_1037074" --B_3066419347_1037074 Content-type: application/applefile; name="crypt.h" Content-transfer-encoding: base64 Content-disposition: attachment AAUWBwACAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAMAAAAJAAAAPgAAACAAAAADAAAAXgAAAAcAAAAC AAAAZQAAAX5URVhUUipjaAEAAIgDwAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGNyeXB0LmgAAAEAAAAB TAAAAEwAAAAyAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAASAAKTW9uYWNvAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAABgAEAC0ACQK7AyEALQAJArsDIbbF1jMAAAZ1AAAGdQAAAAAB AAAAAQAAAAFMAAAATAAAADJTT1JUA24AgAAcADIAAE1QU1IAAAAKA+3//wAAAAAJzdaI --B_3066419347_1037074 Content-type: text/plain; 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Fri, 2 Mar 2001 17:41:55 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id RAA12064 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Fri, 2 Mar 2001 17:41:55 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id RAA12049 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Fri, 2 Mar 2001 17:41:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from galaxy.tbird.com (galaxy.tbird.com [199.72.122.9]) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id RAA12001 for ; Fri, 2 Mar 2001 17:41:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from eagle.tbird.com (eagle.tbird.com [199.72.122.7]) by galaxy.tbird.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) with SMTP id RAA09559 for ; Fri, 2 Mar 2001 17:41:45 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <200103022241.RAA09559@galaxy.tbird.com> Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2001 17:41:49 -0500 (EST) From: rnf Reply-To: rnf Subject: netatalk-1.4b2+asun2.1.4 with 64 Bit Solaris To: netatalk-admins@umich.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-MD5: l3enGioRbY1UOGAwGAZBBg== X-Mailer: dtmail 1.3.0 @(#)CDE Version 1.4 SunOS 5.8 sun4m sparc Hi, I'm trying to install netatalk-1.4b2+asun2.1.4 on a Sun E-450 under Solaris 8 running in 64 bit mode. I've successfully installed it on 32 bit Solaris 8 boxes with no problem. Is it possiblre to install 32 bit drivers on Solaris 8 in 64 bit mode? If not, is there some place I can get the 64 bit binaries? I understand that you can only do the 64 bit compile with the Sun C 5.0 compiler, which I don't have. When I do a make kinstall I get the following output: /usr/ucb/install -c ddp.conf /usr/kernel/drv/ddp.conf add_drv -m '* 0666 root sys' ddp devfsadm: driver failed to attach: ddp Warning: Driver (ddp) successfully added to system but failed to attach sync;sync;sync Any help will be greatly appreciated. Rick From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Sat Mar 3 00:30:49 2001 Return-Path: Received: from funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.27]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id AAA03050 for ; Sat, 3 Mar 2001 00:30:48 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id AAA24254 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Sat, 3 Mar 2001 00:30:41 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id AAA24243 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Sat, 3 Mar 2001 00:30:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from email.wm.edu (mars.wm.edu [128.239.10.11]) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id AAA24228 for ; Sat, 3 Mar 2001 00:30:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from unix1 (unix1.wm.edu [128.239.10.21]) by email.wm.edu (2.1.2/8.9.1/Execmail 2.1) with ESMTP id AAA21313; Sat, 3 Mar 2001 00:30:39 -0500 (EST) Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2001 00:49:32 -0500 (EST) From: Rob Lineweaver To: Niall O Broin cc: netatalk-admins@umich.edu Subject: Re: netatalk compatible utilities In-Reply-To: <20010302132701.A1076@bagend.local> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > > A thought has just occured to me - how has Apple handled this with MacOS > X ? I presume they've built a filesystem with integrated metadata. > That's exactly what they did, it's just that Apple built that filesystem long ago: regular old HFS+ is what OS X uses for files that need the resource forks. At least this is how I understand it on the couple of OS X servers I've looked at. OS X itself goes on a UFS partition but the AFS serves files off of HFS+. You can even rebuild the desktop database of the HFS+ partition(s) on an OS X server by booting the box off a Mac OS 8.x or 9.x CD and holding down Apple-Option... (http://til.info.apple.com/techinfo.nsf/artnum/n60401) Rob Lineweaver :) From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Sat Mar 3 04:09:34 2001 Return-Path: Received: from funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.27]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id EAA07572 for ; Sat, 3 Mar 2001 04:09:34 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id EAA12585 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Sat, 3 Mar 2001 04:09:26 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id EAA12579 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Sat, 3 Mar 2001 04:09:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.magicgoeshere.com (NW152-60.indigo.ie [194.125.152.60] (may be forged)) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id EAA12566 for ; Sat, 3 Mar 2001 04:09:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from bagend.local (unknown [194.165.165.33]) by mail.magicgoeshere.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 666B9FAF1 for ; Sat, 3 Mar 2001 09:01:16 +0000 (GMT) Received: (from niall@localhost) by bagend.local (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA00873 for netatalk-admins@umich.edu; Sat, 3 Mar 2001 09:06:50 GMT Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2001 09:06:50 +0000 From: Niall O Broin To: netatalk-admins@umich.edu Subject: Re: netatalk compatible utilities Message-ID: <20010303090650.B738@bagend.local> References: <20010302132701.A1076@bagend.local> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: ; from rbline@wm.edu on Sat, Mar 03, 2001 at 12:49:32AM -0500 On Sat, Mar 03, 2001 at 12:49:32AM -0500, Rob Lineweaver wrote: > > A thought has just occured to me - how has Apple handled this with MacOS > > X ? I presume they've built a filesystem with integrated metadata. > > That's exactly what they did, it's just that Apple built that > filesystem long ago: regular old HFS+ is what OS X uses for files that > need the resource forks. At least this is how I understand it on the > couple of OS X servers I've looked at. OS X itself goes on a UFS > partition but the AFS serves files off of HFS+. This is bizarre. It seems that OS X is like two operating systems running as multi-tasking processes on the same machine. What would you do if you wanted to use command line utilities to manipulate files on HFS+ partitions ? OS X beta testers - what does the cp command do if you cp a file on a HFS+ partition a) to a HFS+ partition b) to a UFS partition ? > You can even rebuild the desktop database of the HFS+ partition(s) on an > OS X server by booting the box off a Mac OS 8.x or 9.x CD and holding > down Apple-Option... > (http://til.info.apple.com/techinfo.nsf/artnum/n60401) Jeez - that's bizarre - regular maintenance of an OS X server so requires rebooting the machine - welcome to Windows NT :-) Regards, Niall O Broin From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Sun Mar 4 00:22:37 2001 Return-Path: Received: from easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.26]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id AAA28696 for ; Sun, 4 Mar 2001 00:22:37 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id AAA20396 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Sun, 4 Mar 2001 00:22:36 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id AAA20382 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Sun, 4 Mar 2001 00:22:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail3.centurytel.net (mail3.centurytel.net [209.142.136.99]) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id AAA20355 for ; Sun, 4 Mar 2001 00:22:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from mac.com (pppoe0221.lr.centurytel.net [64.91.13.95]) by mail3.centurytel.net (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id f245MYR09556 for ; Sat, 3 Mar 2001 23:22:34 -0600 (CST) Sender: brian@mail3.centurytel.net Message-ID: <3AA1D02E.C653D0E0@mac.com> Date: Sun, 04 Mar 2001 00:18:38 -0500 From: brian lynch X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.16-22 i586) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: netatalk-admins@umich.edu Subject: with red hat 7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit i am trying to get netatalk to work on my system rh 7. i was unable to compile the .tar.gz packages so i dled the precompiled versions. this installed but i cannot get my mac to recognize the red hat box. when i boot the atalk message ok's so it should be running. what might be wrong? From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Sun Mar 4 00:44:54 2001 Return-Path: Received: from kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.25]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id AAA29031 for ; Sun, 4 Mar 2001 00:44:54 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id AAA02943 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Sun, 4 Mar 2001 00:44:54 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id AAA02936 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Sun, 4 Mar 2001 00:44:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from femail3.sdc1.sfba.home.com (femail3.sdc1.sfba.home.com [24.0.95.83]) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id AAA02927 for ; Sun, 4 Mar 2001 00:44:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from [10.0.1.2] ([24.176.79.249]) by femail3.sdc1.sfba.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.00 201-229-121) with ESMTP id <20010304054248.RWNZ11050.femail3.sdc1.sfba.home.com@[10.0.1.2]> for ; Sat, 3 Mar 2001 21:42:48 -0800 User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Sat, 03 Mar 2001 21:45:10 -0800 Subject: Re: with red hat 7 From: paul beard To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <3AA1D02E.C653D0E0@mac.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit What do you mean when you say "i cannot get my mac to recognize the red hat box"? You don't see it in the chooser? Can you access it thru pure IP? If not, is appletalk loaded (dmesg | grep AppleTalk or lsmod | grep appletalk)? on 3/3/01 9:18 PM, brian lynch at bruiser216@mac.com wrote: > i am trying to get netatalk to work on my system rh 7. i was unable to > compile the .tar.gz packages so i dled the precompiled versions. this > installed but i cannot get my mac to recognize the red hat box. when i > boot the atalk message ok's so it should be running. what might be > wrong? -- Paul Beard / 206 529 8400 8040 27th Ave NE Seattle WA 98115 You'll wish that you had done some of the hard things when they were easier to do. From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Sun Mar 4 01:09:59 2001 Return-Path: Received: from kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.25]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id BAA29541 for ; Sun, 4 Mar 2001 01:09:59 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id BAA14455 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Sun, 4 Mar 2001 01:09:59 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id BAA14443 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Sun, 4 Mar 2001 01:09:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from priv-edtnes10-hme0.telusplanet.net (mtaout.telus.net [199.185.220.235]) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id BAA14431 for ; Sun, 4 Mar 2001 01:09:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from telusplanet.net ([161.184.165.98]) by priv-edtnes10-hme0.telusplanet.net (InterMail vM.4.01.03.10 201-229-121-110) with ESMTP id <20010304060956.VLLY26101.priv-edtnes10-hme0.telusplanet.net@telusplanet.net> for ; Sat, 3 Mar 2001 23:09:56 -0700 Sender: kj@telusplanet.net Message-ID: <3AA09E2B.3185A950@telusplanet.net> Date: Sat, 03 Mar 2001 00:33:00 -0700 From: Kristin X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.17 i586) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: netatalk-admins@umich.edu Subject: atalkd problems Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I installed and configured the Netatalk package onto a Pentium class system running the latest stable release of Debian. When I attemp to start the atalkd deamon I received the following error messages: socket: Invalid argument socket: Invalid argument atalkd: can't get interfaces, exiting. I have edited the /etc/netatalk/atalkd.conf file and have inserted "eth1" as the interface for the atalk deamon to reside on. I can successfully run the apdf server and the papd server with no problems at all. How can I solve my problem? Stef From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Mon Mar 5 03:35:56 2001 Return-Path: Received: from kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.25]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id DAA28413 for ; Mon, 5 Mar 2001 03:35:56 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id DAA26546 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Mon, 5 Mar 2001 03:35:56 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id DAA26535 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Mon, 5 Mar 2001 03:35:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.tasis.ch (mail.tasis.ch [194.209.185.234]) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id DAA26506 for ; Mon, 5 Mar 2001 03:35:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (tihen.william@localhost) by mail.tasis.ch (8.9.3/8.8.7) with ESMTP id KAA04823; Mon, 5 Mar 2001 10:12:38 +0100 Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2001 10:12:38 +0100 (CET) From: Tihen To: paul beard cc: netatalk-admins@umich.edu Subject: Re: with red hat 7 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I have found that if a mac client can find the netatalk server using IP addresses, but not appletalk then the problem is usually, that the Mac IP settings are not set properly (of course the atalk kernel module may not be loaded either). Bill Tihen On Sat, 3 Mar 2001, paul beard wrote: > What do you mean when you say "i cannot get my mac to recognize the red hat > box"? You don't see it in the chooser? Can you access it thru pure IP? If > not, is appletalk loaded (dmesg | grep AppleTalk or lsmod | grep appletalk)? > > > > on 3/3/01 9:18 PM, brian lynch at bruiser216@mac.com wrote: > > > i am trying to get netatalk to work on my system rh 7. i was unable to > > compile the .tar.gz packages so i dled the precompiled versions. this > > installed but i cannot get my mac to recognize the red hat box. when i > > boot the atalk message ok's so it should be running. what might be > > wrong? > > -- > Paul Beard / 206 529 8400 > 8040 27th Ave NE > Seattle WA 98115 > > You'll wish that you had done some of the hard things when they were easier > to do. > > From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Mon Mar 5 12:38:21 2001 Return-Path: Received: from kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.25]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id MAA10179 for ; Mon, 5 Mar 2001 12:38:21 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id MAA01900 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Mon, 5 Mar 2001 12:38:20 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id MAA01867 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Mon, 5 Mar 2001 12:38:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from ns.srz-berlin.de (ns.srz-berlin.de [212.5.11.1]) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id MAA01804 for ; Mon, 5 Mar 2001 12:38:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from srz-berlin.de (gw.srz-berlin.de [212.5.11.2]) by ns.srz-berlin.de (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id SAA26981; Mon, 5 Mar 2001 18:38:08 +0100 Sender: bringi@ns.srz-berlin.de Message-ID: <3AA3CF60.DC20FBBF@srz-berlin.de> Date: Mon, 05 Mar 2001 18:39:44 +0100 From: Axel Bringenberg Organization: Satz-Rechen-Zentrum Berlin - Systemgruppe (http://www.srz.de) X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [de] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.18 i686) X-Accept-Language: de-DE, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: netatalk-admins@umich.edu Subject: Re: chown invalid argument (was: Re: AW: Still Only Cleartext) References: <5.0.2.1.0.20010228093339.00a6bc20@127.0.0.1> <3A9D4D6A.87EB6BF0@srz-berlin.de> <3A9D6275.A64526A4@srz-berlin.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi, inspired by the bug report http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=405434&group_id=8642&atid=108642 I have diff'ed the source of ./libatalk from 1.5pre4 against 1.5pre3: Someone has changed line 617 of ./libatalk/adouble/ad_open.c from admode = ad_mode( ad_p, mode ); to admode = ad_mode( ad_p, O_RDWR ); This is the only difference in the c source of libatalk. I have changed the line back to the old version and now my problems are partly gone: I have still log entries like "chown 16777216/-1" and "chown -1/0" with . and .AppleDouble/.Parent while drag'n'drop files to the server folder, but no more "access denied" error messages on the clients side and the file permissions are looking imho fine to me. Can someone explain the change in libatalk? - Axel Axel Bringenberg schrieb: > > I'm just wondering why the _user_ process tries to set a gid of 0 or an > uid of 16777216 (0x1000000) ?! Hmm... > > - Axel > > Keith Lamont schrieb: > > > > Same here, except I tried the .rpm before building from scratch, and > > only tested against Mac OS 9. I'm not a total stranger to netatalk; > > had it running with RH 5.2 on another box. > > > > Keith > > > > >Hi Marc, > > > > > >"Marc J. Miller" schrieb: > > >> > > >> Looks familiar to me too. > > >> > > >> If you're using a netatalk 1.5 prerelease and you have either ADMIN_GRP or > > >> DROPKLUDGE turned on, I think that's my bailiwick and I need to know what > > >> platform and flavor you two using to fix it (e.g. Red Hat Linux 7, FreeBSD, > > >> Debian Linux 2.2, etc.). That's an awfully large uid, though... 16 million > > >> user names is a lot. Is it possible that the number is too big and we've > > >> run into a limitation of chown? > > > > > >No, I don't think so. I've been fighting against the same problem too > > >and in my case I'm today the only user of a fresh installed rh7.0 box: > > > > > >----------------------------------------------- > > >Feb 28 17:27:33 gromit afpd[18327]: cleartext login: bringi > > >Feb 28 17:27:33 gromit PAM_pwdb[18327]: (netatalk) session opened for > > >user bringi by (uid=0) > > >Feb 28 17:27:33 gromit afpd[18327]: login bringi (uid 500, gid 500) > > >Feb 28 17:27:36 gromit afpd[18327]: setdirowner: chown 16777216/-1 > > >.AppleDouble/.Parent: Invalid argument > > >Feb 28 17:27:36 gromit afpd[18327]: setdirowner: chown 16777216/-1 > > >.AppleDouble: Invalid argument > > >Feb 28 17:27:36 gromit afpd[18327]: setdirowner: chown 16777216/-1 .: > > >Invalid argument > > >Feb 28 17:27:36 gromit afpd[18327]: setdirowner: chown -1/0 > > >.AppleDouble/.Parent: Operation not permitted > > >Feb 28 17:27:36 gromit afpd[18327]: setdirowner: chown 16777216/-1 > > >.AppleDouble/.Parent: Invalid argument > > >Feb 28 17:27:36 gromit afpd[18327]: setdirowner: chown 16777216/-1 > > >.AppleDouble: Invalid argument > > >Feb 28 17:27:36 gromit afpd[18327]: setdirowner: chown 16777216/-1 .: > > >Invalid argument > > >Feb 28 17:27:36 gromit afpd[18327]: setdirowner: chown -1/0 > > >.AppleDouble/.Parent: Operation not permitted > > >Feb 28 17:28:01 gromit afpd[18327]: setdirowner: chown -1/0 > > >.AppleDouble/.Parent: Operation not permitted > > >Feb 28 17:28:27 gromit afpd[18327]: logout bringi > > >----------------------------------------------- > > > > > >This happens everytime while moving, copying or creating files - > > >directories are doing fine. Is it possible that some pieces of the new > > >(and broken) FORCE_UIDGID code is still active? Or is it maybee a > > >Redhat-only problem? > > > > > >I've looked arround and found some similar messages in this list, all > > >reporting problems with > > > setdirowner: chown -1/0 .: Operation not permitted > > >or setdirowner: chown -1/0 .AppleDouble/.Parent: Operation not permitted > > >or setdirowner: chown 16777216/-1 .: Invalid argument > > >or setdirowner: chown 16777216/-1 .AppleDouble/.Parent: Invalid argument > > > > > >Most of them using rh7.0 (or mdk) and netatalk since 1.5pre3. > > > > > >In my case I've ... > > >- build a freshly RH7.0 box with all possible updates (incl. > > >kernel-2.2.17-14) > > >- build netatalk-1.5pre4 from source w/o ADMIN_GRP, DROPKLUDGE and > > >FORCE_UIDGID > > >- I'm the first and only additional user (uid 500/gid 500) > > >- the volume is totaly owned by me (maximum chowned and chmoded :-) > > >- tested with MacOS 7.5, 8.6 and 9.0 > > > > > >Axel. > > -- > Satz-Rechen-Zentrum Berlin - Systemgruppe -- Satz-Rechen-Zentrum Berlin - Systemgruppe From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Mon Mar 5 15:28:31 2001 Return-Path: Received: from funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.27]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id PAA14917 for ; Mon, 5 Mar 2001 15:28:31 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id PAA09254 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Mon, 5 Mar 2001 15:28:25 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id PAA09233 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Mon, 5 Mar 2001 15:28:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from fortune.excite.com (fortune-rwcmta.excite.com [198.3.99.203]) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id PAA09072 for ; Mon, 5 Mar 2001 15:28:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from blizzard.excite.com ([199.172.148.158]) by fortune.excite.com (InterMail vM.4.01.02.39 201-229-119-122) with ESMTP id <20010305202823.BHND17046.fortune.excite.com@blizzard.excite.com>; Mon, 5 Mar 2001 12:28:23 -0800 Message-ID: <33257211.983824103708.JavaMail.imail@blizzard.excite.com> Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2001 12:28:22 -0800 (PST) From: Joe Rhodes To: Niall O Broin , netatalk-admins@umich.edu Subject: Re: netatalk compatible utilities Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Excite Inbox X-Sender-Ip: 156.46.248.162 > > > A thought has just occured to me - how has Apple handled this with MacOS > > > X ? I presume they've built a filesystem with integrated metadata. > > > > That's exactly what they did, it's just that Apple built that > > filesystem long ago: regular old HFS+ is what OS X uses for files that X > beta testers - what does the cp command do if you cp a file on a HFS+ > partition a) to a HFS+ partition b) to a UFS partition ? > ------------------ Not in front of my OS X beta box at the moment, but I did my OS install on a UFS partitioin. You can save, open, modify files directly to and from the UFS partition, and icons SEEM to stay intact. How it handles resource forks is beyond me. One thing of interest I did note: 31 character file names are not a limit of HFS file systems, but of Classic Mac OS. I was able to create a very long file name on an HFS partition using command line tools. In Classic, it just looked garbled towards the end. Cheers! -Joe Rhodes _______________________________________________________ Send a cool gift with your E-Card http://www.bluemountain.com/giftcenter/ From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Mon Mar 5 15:43:33 2001 Return-Path: Received: from kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.25]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id PAA15431 for ; Mon, 5 Mar 2001 15:43:33 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id PAA22528 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Mon, 5 Mar 2001 15:43:33 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id PAA22507 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Mon, 5 Mar 2001 15:43:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from ns.srz-berlin.de (ns.srz-berlin.de [212.5.11.1]) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id PAA22475 for ; Mon, 5 Mar 2001 15:43:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from srz-berlin.de (gw.srz-berlin.de [212.5.11.2]) by ns.srz-berlin.de (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id VAA02437; Mon, 5 Mar 2001 21:43:27 +0100 Sender: bringi@ns.srz-berlin.de Message-ID: <3AA3FACE.F12B4359@srz-berlin.de> Date: Mon, 05 Mar 2001 21:45:02 +0100 From: Axel Bringenberg Organization: Satz-Rechen-Zentrum Berlin - Systemgruppe (http://www.srz.de) X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [de] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.18 i686) X-Accept-Language: de-DE, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: netatalk-admins@umich.edu, Marc Miller Subject: Re: chown invalid argument (was: Re: AW: Still Only Cleartext) References: <5.0.2.1.0.20010228093339.00a6bc20@127.0.0.1> <3A9D4D6A.87EB6BF0@srz-berlin.de> <3A9D6275.A64526A4@srz-berlin.de> <3AA3CF60.DC20FBBF@srz-berlin.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit And here is the next: I found that in ./etc/afpd/volume.c the line #define VOLOPT_MAX 9 was changed to #define VOLOPT_MAX 11 Changing back to 9 fixes the "chown 16777216/-1" problem, but the "chown -1/0" still remains. Can someone check this? Still hunting, - Axel Axel Bringenberg schrieb: > > Hi, > > inspired by the bug report > http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=405434&group_id=8642&atid=108642 > I have diff'ed the source of ./libatalk from 1.5pre4 against 1.5pre3: > Someone has changed line 617 of ./libatalk/adouble/ad_open.c from > admode = ad_mode( ad_p, mode ); > to > admode = ad_mode( ad_p, O_RDWR ); > This is the only difference in the c source of libatalk. > > I have changed the line back to the old version and now my problems are > partly gone: I have still log entries like "chown 16777216/-1" and > "chown -1/0" with . and .AppleDouble/.Parent while drag'n'drop files to > the server folder, but no more "access denied" error messages on the > clients side and the file permissions are looking imho fine to me. > > Can someone explain the change in libatalk? > > - Axel > > Axel Bringenberg schrieb: > > > > I'm just wondering why the _user_ process tries to set a gid of 0 or an > > uid of 16777216 (0x1000000) ?! Hmm... > > > > - Axel > > > > Keith Lamont schrieb: > > > > > > Same here, except I tried the .rpm before building from scratch, and > > > only tested against Mac OS 9. I'm not a total stranger to netatalk; > > > had it running with RH 5.2 on another box. > > > > > > Keith > > > > > > >Hi Marc, > > > > > > > >"Marc J. Miller" schrieb: > > > >> > > > >> Looks familiar to me too. > > > >> > > > >> If you're using a netatalk 1.5 prerelease and you have either ADMIN_GRP or > > > >> DROPKLUDGE turned on, I think that's my bailiwick and I need to know what > > > >> platform and flavor you two using to fix it (e.g. Red Hat Linux 7, FreeBSD, > > > >> Debian Linux 2.2, etc.). That's an awfully large uid, though... 16 million > > > >> user names is a lot. Is it possible that the number is too big and we've > > > >> run into a limitation of chown? > > > > > > > >No, I don't think so. I've been fighting against the same problem too > > > >and in my case I'm today the only user of a fresh installed rh7.0 box: > > > > > > > >----------------------------------------------- > > > >Feb 28 17:27:33 gromit afpd[18327]: cleartext login: bringi > > > >Feb 28 17:27:33 gromit PAM_pwdb[18327]: (netatalk) session opened for > > > >user bringi by (uid=0) > > > >Feb 28 17:27:33 gromit afpd[18327]: login bringi (uid 500, gid 500) > > > >Feb 28 17:27:36 gromit afpd[18327]: setdirowner: chown 16777216/-1 > > > >.AppleDouble/.Parent: Invalid argument > > > >Feb 28 17:27:36 gromit afpd[18327]: setdirowner: chown 16777216/-1 > > > >.AppleDouble: Invalid argument > > > >Feb 28 17:27:36 gromit afpd[18327]: setdirowner: chown 16777216/-1 .: > > > >Invalid argument > > > >Feb 28 17:27:36 gromit afpd[18327]: setdirowner: chown -1/0 > > > >.AppleDouble/.Parent: Operation not permitted > > > >Feb 28 17:27:36 gromit afpd[18327]: setdirowner: chown 16777216/-1 > > > >.AppleDouble/.Parent: Invalid argument > > > >Feb 28 17:27:36 gromit afpd[18327]: setdirowner: chown 16777216/-1 > > > >.AppleDouble: Invalid argument > > > >Feb 28 17:27:36 gromit afpd[18327]: setdirowner: chown 16777216/-1 .: > > > >Invalid argument > > > >Feb 28 17:27:36 gromit afpd[18327]: setdirowner: chown -1/0 > > > >.AppleDouble/.Parent: Operation not permitted > > > >Feb 28 17:28:01 gromit afpd[18327]: setdirowner: chown -1/0 > > > >.AppleDouble/.Parent: Operation not permitted > > > >Feb 28 17:28:27 gromit afpd[18327]: logout bringi > > > >----------------------------------------------- > > > > > > > >This happens everytime while moving, copying or creating files - > > > >directories are doing fine. Is it possible that some pieces of the new > > > >(and broken) FORCE_UIDGID code is still active? Or is it maybee a > > > >Redhat-only problem? > > > > > > > >I've looked arround and found some similar messages in this list, all > > > >reporting problems with > > > > setdirowner: chown -1/0 .: Operation not permitted > > > >or setdirowner: chown -1/0 .AppleDouble/.Parent: Operation not permitted > > > >or setdirowner: chown 16777216/-1 .: Invalid argument > > > >or setdirowner: chown 16777216/-1 .AppleDouble/.Parent: Invalid argument > > > > > > > >Most of them using rh7.0 (or mdk) and netatalk since 1.5pre3. > > > > > > > >In my case I've ... > > > >- build a freshly RH7.0 box with all possible updates (incl. > > > >kernel-2.2.17-14) > > > >- build netatalk-1.5pre4 from source w/o ADMIN_GRP, DROPKLUDGE and > > > >FORCE_UIDGID > > > >- I'm the first and only additional user (uid 500/gid 500) > > > >- the volume is totaly owned by me (maximum chowned and chmoded :-) > > > >- tested with MacOS 7.5, 8.6 and 9.0 > > > > > > > >Axel. > > > > -- > > Satz-Rechen-Zentrum Berlin - Systemgruppe > > -- > Satz-Rechen-Zentrum Berlin - Systemgruppe -- Satz-Rechen-Zentrum Berlin - Systemgruppe From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Mon Mar 5 16:15:04 2001 Return-Path: Received: from funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.27]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id QAA16338 for ; Mon, 5 Mar 2001 16:15:04 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id QAA22511 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Mon, 5 Mar 2001 16:14:58 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id QAA22499 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Mon, 5 Mar 2001 16:14:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from VL-MS-MR001.sc1.videotron.ca (relais.videotron.ca [24.201.245.36]) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id QAA22457 for ; Mon, 5 Mar 2001 16:14:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from fnac.net ([24.201.28.100]) by VL-MS-MR001.sc1.videotron.ca (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with ESMTP id G9QTO904.6CE for ; Mon, 5 Mar 2001 16:14:33 -0500 Sender: marco@fnac.net Message-ID: <3AA40083.E5EA3AD7@fnac.net> Date: Mon, 05 Mar 2001 16:09:24 -0500 From: marco a X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [fr] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.17-14 i586) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: netatalk-admins@umich.edu Subject: very [newbie] Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------3729DE85E50118BA1FDCA8D5" Il s'agit d'un message multivolet au format MIME. --------------3729DE85E50118BA1FDCA8D5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit what is the difference between atalkd and afpd i have problems to register my servers, here is my network could you point me ? how to proceed ? --------------3729DE85E50118BA1FDCA8D5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; name="myNetwork" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline; filename="myNetwork" ------------- ------------ | eth0 (dhcp) | | internet |-------------------------| linuxbox | | | RH70 | ------------ ------------ | eth1 192.168.0.1 | 255.255.255.0 | ----- mac1 ------------------| HUB | 192.168.0.5 ----- 255.255.255.0 | routeur 192.168.0.1 | mac2 ---------------------- 192.168.0.10 255.255.255.0 routeur 192.168.0.1 --------------3729DE85E50118BA1FDCA8D5-- From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Mon Mar 5 19:02:35 2001 Return-Path: Received: from easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.26]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id TAA21912 for ; Mon, 5 Mar 2001 19:02:35 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id TAA00054 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Mon, 5 Mar 2001 19:02:35 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id TAA00030 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Mon, 5 Mar 2001 19:02:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from VL-MS-MR001.sc1.videotron.ca (relais.videotron.ca [24.201.245.36]) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id TAA29974 for ; Mon, 5 Mar 2001 19:02:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from fnac.net ([24.201.28.100]) by VL-MS-MR001.sc1.videotron.ca (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with ESMTP id G9R1G203.NQP for ; Mon, 5 Mar 2001 19:02:26 -0500 Sender: marco@fnac.net Message-ID: <3AA427DC.CAF6D805@fnac.net> Date: Mon, 05 Mar 2001 18:57:16 -0500 From: marco a X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [fr] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.17-14 i586) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: netatalk-admins@umich.edu Subject: question Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------16EB1C4DD37E2E5F10FBE75C" Il s'agit d'un message multivolet au format MIME. --------------16EB1C4DD37E2E5F10FBE75C Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit should netatalk conflict with internet traffic ? --------------16EB1C4DD37E2E5F10FBE75C Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; name="myNetwork" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline; filename="myNetwork" ------------- ------------ | eth0 (dhcp) | | internet |-------------------------| linuxbox | | | RH70 | ------------ ------------ | eth1 192.168.0.1 | 255.255.255.0 | ----- mac1 ------------------| HUB | 192.168.0.5 ----- 255.255.255.0 | routeur 192.168.0.1 | mac2 ---------------------- 192.168.0.10 255.255.255.0 routeur 192.168.0.1 --------------16EB1C4DD37E2E5F10FBE75C-- From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Tue Mar 6 02:02:43 2001 Return-Path: Received: from easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.26]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id CAA00430 for ; Tue, 6 Mar 2001 02:02:42 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id CAA29734 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Tue, 6 Mar 2001 02:02:42 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id CAA29715 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Tue, 6 Mar 2001 02:02:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from c017.sfo.cp.net (c017-h021.c017.sfo.cp.net [209.228.12.235]) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with SMTP id CAA29675 for ; Tue, 6 Mar 2001 02:02:41 -0500 (EST) Received: (cpmta 15555 invoked from network); 5 Mar 2001 23:02:39 -0800 Received: from www.waaaow.com (HELO ?192.168.0.50?) (207.171.221.217) by smtp.terrascope.com (209.228.12.235) with SMTP; 5 Mar 2001 23:02:39 -0800 X-Sent: 6 Mar 2001 07:02:39 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3AA4730A.4D987323@mac.com> References: <3AA1D02E.C653D0E0@mac.com> <3AA4730A.4D987323@mac.com> Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2001 23:05:10 -0800 To: brian lynch From: Walt Reed Subject: Re: with red hat 7 Cc: netatalk-admins@umich.edu Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" yes, you do need to compile appletalk into your kernel. if you need help on that, check here: http://www.linuxdoc.org/HOWTO/Kernel-HOWTO.html i've also been able to add an insmod line to my startup scripts & load appletalk on the fly, it works pretty well. you'll find appletalk.o somewhere on a redhat default install. but what i mean by config's, is to go into the /etc/atalk directory. you'll see several files that are used to configure netatalk. you want to read them (and the manual: http://www.anders.com/projects/netatalk/ ;-) what do you have AppleVolumes.default set too? how about afpd.conf, atalk.conf, etc. if you didn't configure the program, you should read these & figure out what you want it to do. don't be alarmed if there are extra config's or slightly different one's than you read about, just open them up and read, they do a pretty good job of explaining what's needed. if you find something you don't understand, search the archive of this newsgroup, and post if you have to. i think you'll find most problems covered many times. good luck, w >Walt Reed wrote: > >> what did you say your config's look like again? >> >> >i am trying to get netatalk to work on my system rh 7. i was unable to >> >compile the .tar.gz packages so i dled the precompiled versions. this >> >installed but i cannot get my mac to recognize the red hat box. when i >> >boot the atalk message ok's so it should be running. what might be >> >wrong? > >i tried the precompiled version and it installed fine with no errors. i >started the server and it seemed to start ok. i had to restart my system >for some reason and in the boot messages the atalk services start and i >can see that afpd loaded but when i try to get to the linux box from the >mac i cannot. it does not show up in the server and when i point the >chooser to the linux ip it will not reply. > > >btw... is appletalk in the kernal that red hat disributes? and did you >have to do anything special to your system besides compiling and >installing? From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Tue Mar 6 06:27:52 2001 Return-Path: Received: from easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.26]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id GAA04457 for ; Tue, 6 Mar 2001 06:27:51 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id GAA09098 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Tue, 6 Mar 2001 06:27:51 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id GAA09081 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Tue, 6 Mar 2001 06:27:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from heretic.mabaleb.org (heretic.mabaleb.org [63.225.255.133]) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id GAA08911 for ; Tue, 6 Mar 2001 06:27:45 -0500 (EST) From: mbartosh@heretic.mabaleb.org Received: from localhost (mbartosh@localhost) by heretic.mabaleb.org (8.9.3/8.9.3/SuSE Linux 8.9.3-0.1) with ESMTP id CAA06586; Mon, 5 Mar 2001 02:30:48 -0600 Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2001 02:30:48 -0600 (CST) To: Niall O Broin cc: netatalk-admins@umich.edu Subject: Re: netatalk compatible utilities In-Reply-To: <20010303090650.B738@bagend.local> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII You are confusing Mac OS X, Mac OS X Server (based on Mach 2.5) and Mac OS X Server 2.0. Mac OS X and Mac OS X Server 2.0 boot and root from either UFS or HFS+. Most of its behaviors are quite standard. -mab On Sat, 3 Mar 2001, Niall O Broin wrote: >On Sat, Mar 03, 2001 at 12:49:32AM -0500, Rob Lineweaver wrote: > >> > A thought has just occured to me - how has Apple handled this with MacOS >> > X ? I presume they've built a filesystem with integrated metadata. >> >> That's exactly what they did, it's just that Apple built that >> filesystem long ago: regular old HFS+ is what OS X uses for files that >> need the resource forks. At least this is how I understand it on the >> couple of OS X servers I've looked at. OS X itself goes on a UFS >> partition but the AFS serves files off of HFS+. > >This is bizarre. It seems that OS X is like two operating systems running as >multi-tasking processes on the same machine. What would you do if you wanted >to use command line utilities to manipulate files on HFS+ partitions ? OS X >beta testers - what does the cp command do if you cp a file on a HFS+ >partition a) to a HFS+ partition b) to a UFS partition ? > >> You can even rebuild the desktop database of the HFS+ partition(s) on an >> OS X server by booting the box off a Mac OS 8.x or 9.x CD and holding >> down Apple-Option... >> (http://til.info.apple.com/techinfo.nsf/artnum/n60401) > >Jeez - that's bizarre - regular maintenance of an OS X server so requires >rebooting the machine - welcome to Windows NT :-) > > > >Regards, > > > >Niall O Broin > From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Tue Mar 6 13:29:42 2001 Return-Path: Received: from funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.27]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id NAA15350 for ; Tue, 6 Mar 2001 13:29:42 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id NAA08787 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Tue, 6 Mar 2001 13:29:35 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id NAA08768 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Tue, 6 Mar 2001 13:29:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from dome.numbersixnetworks.com (cr853601-a.bloor1.on.wave.home.com [24.43.35.129]) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id NAA08723 for ; Tue, 6 Mar 2001 13:29:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) (uid 500) by dome.numbersixnetworks.com with local; Tue, 06 Mar 2001 13:29:05 -0500 Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2001 13:29:05 -0500 From: Richard Michael To: netatalk-admins@umich.edu Subject: Bug? (not x-posted to devel): "/" in filename = "Type -50" error Message-ID: <20010306132905.E11134@guardian.numbersixnetworks.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i Hello, I've been using Netatalk and CAP for a few years, and have come across this a few times. I think most of my users have seen it before, but probably work around it without telling me. I'd consider this a bug; unless it's been well documented and I haven't noticed. I've checked the docs section of sourceforge, the Linux Netatalk HOWTO, and the Netatalk FAQ from 1.4b2. That said, I'm sure admins have been experiencing this problem, and I've seen it discussed on netatalk-admins before. The problem is that when a file on a Mac contains the "/" character, a "Type -50" will be returned from the server. I've found this as recently as MacOS 9.0.1 w/ AppleShare 3.8.5. Philosophically, I think it's a server side problem, since "/" is a valid Mac filename character and, accordingly, an Apple AppleShare server wouldn't expect it to be escaped or protected. I'm speculating that the -50 (see below) is returned because the "subdirectories" resulting from the name confusion don't exist (implying no permission to write/read/stat). For example (a common user naming scheme): "My File - Changed 01/03/06"; where "My File - Changed 01" and "03" become "directories" to afpd. I know this is usually explained as a .AppleDouble (or .finderinfo) perms problem, but in my most recent experience the user was able to copy another file (to the same dir, etc. etc.) without a problem. There were no "/" characters in the second test file and when the "/" characters were removed from the name, the copy succeeded. I've been cautioning my users against "exotic" naming characters for years, to work around PC->Mac translations; stick to a-Z,-,_," " (avoiding " " when possible). For reference, At TIL: "-50 paramErr Error in user parameter list" At http://www.muc.edu/CIS/HelpDesk/faqs/MacErrorCodes.html: "-50 Error getting file position" Comments? Does everyone know about this and I've just explicated the obvious? Shouldn't Netatalk's afpd map the "/" character, as CAP and Netatalk do with the Icon: hex names? Regards, Richard From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Tue Mar 6 14:02:11 2001 Return-Path: Received: from kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.25]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id OAA16255 for ; Tue, 6 Mar 2001 14:02:11 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id OAA04595 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Tue, 6 Mar 2001 14:02:10 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id OAA04587 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Tue, 6 Mar 2001 14:02:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from tsmtp2.mail.isp ([195.235.113.141]) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id OAA04569 for ; Tue, 6 Mar 2001 14:02:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from [10.0.0.3] ([213.97.106.73]) by tsmtp2.mail.isp (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with ESMTP id G9SI3702.HFS; Tue, 6 Mar 2001 19:59:31 +0100 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/9.0.2509 Date: Tue, 06 Mar 2001 20:02:05 +0100 Subject: Re: Bug? (not x-posted to devel): "/" in filename = "Type -50" error From: Jason Quigley To: Richard Michael , Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20010306132905.E11134@guardian.numbersixnetworks.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Sender: jason_quigley@terra.es Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Hi Richard! When was the last time you upgraded the server? What version are you running? I don't have this problem saving from within apps or copying via the finder. I don't get this with folders either. My version is: netatalk-1.4.99-0.20001108 Cheers, Jason. On 6/3/01 19:29, "Richard Michael" wrote: > Hello, > > I'd consider this a bug; unless it's been well documented and I haven't > noticed. I've checked the docs section of sourceforge, the Linux > Netatalk HOWTO, and the Netatalk FAQ from 1.4b2. > The problem is that when a file on a Mac contains the "/" character, a > "Type -50" will be returned from the server. From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Tue Mar 6 14:47:05 2001 Return-Path: Received: from funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.27]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id OAA17525 for ; Tue, 6 Mar 2001 14:47:05 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id OAA28425 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Tue, 6 Mar 2001 14:46:58 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id OAA13173 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Tue, 6 Mar 2001 14:11:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from runner.ucdavis.edu (runner.ucdavis.edu [169.237.105.37]) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id OAA13144 for ; Tue, 6 Mar 2001 14:11:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (itlm019@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by runner.ucdavis.edu (8.11.1/8.11.0/IT4.4.8) with ESMTP id f26JBNV01464; Tue, 6 Mar 2001 11:11:23 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2001 11:11:22 -0800 (PST) From: Marc Miller X-Sender: itlm019@runner.ucdavis.edu To: Richard Michael cc: netatalk-admins@umich.edu Subject: Re: Bug? (not x-posted to devel): "/" in filename = "Type -50" error In-Reply-To: <20010306132905.E11134@guardian.numbersixnetworks.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Well, yeah! I even made sure that worked in my dropkludge patch to 1.5. What version are you using? If you're using pre4 or newer, maybe one of the recent contributions broke it & we need to go through and find it. On Tue, 6 Mar 2001, Richard Michael wrote: > obvious? Shouldn't Netatalk's afpd map the "/" character, as CAP and > Netatalk do with the Icon: hex names? ============================================================ /\/\arc ._|. /\/\iller (itlm019@mailbox.ucdavis.edu) Computer Room Consultant Information Technology/Lab Management ============================================================ I can be contacted through the Communication Center link from http://www.mother.com/~mjmiller/ From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Tue Mar 6 14:48:32 2001 Return-Path: Received: from kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.25]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id OAA17625 for ; Tue, 6 Mar 2001 14:48:32 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id OAA22102 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Tue, 6 Mar 2001 14:48:32 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id OAA22076 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Tue, 6 Mar 2001 14:48:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from c017.sfo.cp.net (c017-h015.c017.sfo.cp.net [209.228.12.229]) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with SMTP id OAA22017 for ; Tue, 6 Mar 2001 14:48:26 -0500 (EST) Received: (cpmta 23779 invoked from network); 6 Mar 2001 11:48:24 -0800 Received: from www.waaaow.com (HELO ?192.168.0.50?) (207.171.221.217) by smtp.terrascope.com (209.228.12.229) with SMTP; 6 Mar 2001 11:48:24 -0800 X-Sent: 6 Mar 2001 19:48:24 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2001 11:50:55 -0800 To: rmichael@numbersixnetworks.com From: Walt Reed Subject: Re: Bug? (not x-posted to devel): "/" in filename = "Type -50" error Cc: netatalk-admins@umich.edu Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" yes, i just tested this out on my redhat 7.0 box running 1.5pre3. i made a folder called one/two and a simpletext doc called 1/2. both copied to the share and had no errors, & did not create directories. i was able to copy both back to the mac, no problems. only tested from the finder though... w >Hi Richard! > >When was the last time you upgraded the server? What version are you >running? > >I don't have this problem saving from within apps or copying via the finder. >I don't get this with folders either. > >My version is: netatalk-1.4.99-0.20001108 > >Cheers, >Jason. > >On 6/3/01 19:29, "Richard Michael" wrote: > >> Hello, >> > >> I'd consider this a bug; unless it's been well documented and I haven't >> noticed. I've checked the docs section of sourceforge, the Linux >> Netatalk HOWTO, and the Netatalk FAQ from 1.4b2. > >> The problem is that when a file on a Mac contains the "/" character, a >> "Type -50" will be returned from the server. From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Tue Mar 6 16:57:10 2001 Return-Path: Received: from kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.25]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id QAA23219 for ; Tue, 6 Mar 2001 16:57:10 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id QAA15655 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Tue, 6 Mar 2001 16:57:10 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id QAA15642 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Tue, 6 Mar 2001 16:57:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from www.molbio.wisc.edu (www.molbio.wisc.edu [144.92.19.124]) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with SMTP id QAA15638 for ; Tue, 6 Mar 2001 16:57:08 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 13109 invoked by uid 500); 6 Mar 2001 21:57:00 -0000 Received: from localhost (sendmail-bs@127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 6 Mar 2001 21:57:00 -0000 Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2001 15:57:00 -0600 (CST) From: "Daniel E. Lautenschleger" To: Netatalk Mailing List Subject: Samba and Netatalk Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Would anyone care to comment on experiences they've had sharing data out on a volume that was accessed by Netatalk and Samba? Any glitches? No problem, go ahead and do it, your nuts, dude..., etc... Thanks. I have a dream that I can take one of our NT file servers and replace it with a Linux/Samba/Netatalk box. What a fine realization that would be... Thanks. -Dan From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Tue Mar 6 16:58:53 2001 Return-Path: Received: from kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.25]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id QAA23259 for ; Tue, 6 Mar 2001 16:58:53 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id QAA17716 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Tue, 6 Mar 2001 16:58:53 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id QAA17693 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Tue, 6 Mar 2001 16:58:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from spitfire.shacknet.nu (adsl-63-192-100-175.dsl.chic01.pacbell.net [63.192.100.175]) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id QAA17676 for ; Tue, 6 Mar 2001 16:58:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from [192.168.100.2] (digime [192.168.100.2]) by spitfire.shacknet.nu (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id f26Lwi901342 for ; Tue, 6 Mar 2001 13:58:48 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sesser@mac.com) User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/9.0.2509 Date: Tue, 06 Mar 2001 13:59:24 -0800 Subject: No server in chooser...newbie From: r a n d y // To: Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit I know this has probably been addressed about a million times. I just subscribed to the list and have been looking through the archive but still can't find a definitive solution to my problem. I can connect to my server using the IP but nothing shows up in chooser when I select AppleShare. Here's what I'm working with: FreeBSD 4.2-STABLE i386 2 10/100BT NIC (Kingston) dc0 & dc1 dc0 is connected to the net via PPPoE dc1 is connected to the MAC #> ifconfig -u dc0: flags=8843 mtu 1500 inet6 fe80::2c0:f0ff:fe5a:919a%dc0 prefixlen 64 scopeid 0x1 atalk 65280.223 range 65280-65534 phase 2 broadcast 0.255 ether 00:c0:f0:5a:91:9a media: autoselect (10baseT/UTP) status: active supported media: autoselect 100baseTX 100baseTX 10baseT/UTP 10baseT/UTP none dc1: flags=8843 mtu 1500 inet 192.168.100.1 netmask 0xffffff00 broadcast 192.168.100.255 inet6 fe80::2c0:f0ff:fe56:8d51%dc1 prefixlen 64 scopeid 0x2 ether 00:c0:f0:56:8d:51 media: autoselect (10baseT/UTP) status: active supported media: autoselect 100baseTX 100baseTX 10baseT/UTP 10baseT/UTP none The only modifications I have made to anyof the conf files was to AppleVolumes.system: # HOME /usr/share/muzak "MUZAK" # Shouldn't my second NIC (dc1) have an atalk address bound to it since that's what's connected to my MAC? I have tried changing atalkd.conf but it gets over-ridden when I reboot. I have read just about every file/doc/man on my system as well as most of the links found on asun's site. Any help would be greatly appreciated! Thanks, - randy ============================= r a n d y / sesser at mac.com From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Tue Mar 6 17:08:53 2001 Return-Path: Received: from easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.26]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id RAA23626 for ; Tue, 6 Mar 2001 17:08:53 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id RAA29720 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Tue, 6 Mar 2001 17:08:53 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id RAA29699 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Tue, 6 Mar 2001 17:08:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from twismtpca1.twi.com ([205.173.143.35]) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with SMTP id RAA29640 for ; Tue, 6 Mar 2001 17:08:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from 10.1.21.11 by twismtpca1.twi.com with ESMTP (WorldSecure Server SMTP Relay(WSS) v4.5); Tue, 06 Mar 2001 14:08:48 -0800 X-Server-Uuid: 171d688e-288d-11d2-8c62-00a0c99e5749 Received: by WBBUREXCN02 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Tue, 6 Mar 2001 14:08:47 -0800 Message-ID: <7FFEE31F6CF3D211B6910004AC56F2E603E05F72@wbburexmb02.warnerbros.com> From: "Campbell, Jacob" To: "'Daniel E. Lautenschleger'" , "Netatalk Mailing List" Subject: RE: Samba and Netatalk Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2001 14:08:42 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) X-WSS-ID: 16BB807A14966-01-01 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have had no problems with doing it. I replaced an old Novell Server about 1.5 to 2 years ago and I have had no troubles running SMB and Atalk. It was more stable, easier to administer, and not a single user noticed the change -----Original Message----- From: Daniel E. Lautenschleger [mailto:dan@www.molbio.wisc.edu] Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2001 1:57 PM To: Netatalk Mailing List Subject: Samba and Netatalk Would anyone care to comment on experiences they've had sharing data out on a volume that was accessed by Netatalk and Samba? Any glitches? No problem, go ahead and do it, your nuts, dude..., etc... Thanks. I have a dream that I can take one of our NT file servers and replace it with a Linux/Samba/Netatalk box. What a fine realization that would be... Thanks. -Dan From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Tue Mar 6 17:12:30 2001 Return-Path: Received: from easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.26]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id RAA23882 for ; Tue, 6 Mar 2001 17:12:30 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id RAA05862 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Tue, 6 Mar 2001 17:12:30 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id RAA05839 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Tue, 6 Mar 2001 17:12:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from rgrjr.dyndns.org (h0050da615e79.ne.mediaone.net [24.218.161.12]) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with SMTP id RAA05737 for ; Tue, 6 Mar 2001 17:12:26 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 20417 invoked by uid 500); 6 Mar 2001 22:12:20 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <15013.24770.26168.382263@h0050da615e79.ne.mediaone.net> Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2001 17:12:17 -0500 From: Bob Rogers To: marco a Cc: netatalk-admins@umich.edu Subject: very [newbie] In-Reply-To: <3AA40083.E5EA3AD7@fnac.net> References: <3AA40083.E5EA3AD7@fnac.net> X-Mailer: VM 6.89 under Emacs 20.7.1 From: marco a Date: Mon, 05 Mar 2001 16:09:24 -0500 what is the difference between atalkd and afpd In a nutshell, atalkd uses AppleTalk (via DDP) protocol(s?), while afpd uses AFPoverTCP (via TCP). i have problems to register my servers, here is my network Looks a lot like mine (except my internal network is 192.168.1.X). Here's what I've done on my RH 6.0 Linux PC to set up netatalk: /etc/atalk/atalkd.conf: # [this should restrict the server to the internal network. -- rgr, # 25-Jan-00.] eth1 -phase 2 -net 0-65534 -addr 65280.85 /etc/atalk/afpd.conf: # [i think this should restrict the server to the internal network. # -- rgr, 25-Jan-00.] [added -noguest & -loginmesg. -- rgr, 21-Feb-00.] - -address 192.168.1.1 -noguest -loginmesg "Welcome to Bob's Linux box!" But I'm not actually using AppleTalk; the sole Mac on the network is connected to an AppleTalk printer. [Another thing: There has been some traffic on bugtraq recently about how packets destined for private addresses, include the loopback address at 127.0.0.1, may be accepted regardless of what interface they came from. This is enabled in most Unix OS installs by default. So, for safety's sake, you should be sure to tell your firewall to drop packets addressed to 192.168.0.X if they come from eth0.] If this isn't enough to get you going, you'll need to say more about your software configuration (OS, version, how you tried to start it, any log messages . . . ) -- Bob Rogers From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Tue Mar 6 17:17:58 2001 Return-Path: Received: from funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.27]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id RAA24282 for ; Tue, 6 Mar 2001 17:17:57 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id RAA22010 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Tue, 6 Mar 2001 17:17:50 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id RAA21968 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Tue, 6 Mar 2001 17:17:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from spitfire.shacknet.nu (adsl-63-192-100-92.dsl.chic01.pacbell.net [63.192.100.92]) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id RAA21906 for ; Tue, 6 Mar 2001 17:17:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from [192.168.100.2] (digime [192.168.100.2]) by spitfire.shacknet.nu (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id f26MHpB00289 for ; Tue, 6 Mar 2001 14:17:51 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sesser@mac.com) User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/9.0.2509 Date: Tue, 06 Mar 2001 14:18:32 -0800 Subject: Re: No server in chooser...newbie From: r a n d y // To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit You know what...nevermind...I just switched around the cables and configs so that PPPoE was working on dc1 and the MAC is now on dc0 and that solved my problem....sorry to post this before trying that. It's amazing what you can learn if you just pull your head out once in a while :) - randy ============================= r a n d y / sesser at mac.com > From: r a n d y // > Date: Tue, 06 Mar 2001 13:59:24 -0800 > To: > Subject: No server in chooser...newbie > > I know this has probably been addressed about a million times. I just > subscribed to the list and have been looking through the archive but still > can't find a definitive solution to my problem. I can connect to my server > using the IP but nothing shows up in chooser when I select AppleShare. > > Here's what I'm working with: > FreeBSD 4.2-STABLE i386 > 2 10/100BT NIC (Kingston) dc0 & dc1 > dc0 is connected to the net via PPPoE > dc1 is connected to the MAC > > #> ifconfig -u > dc0: flags=8843 mtu 1500 > inet6 fe80::2c0:f0ff:fe5a:919a%dc0 prefixlen 64 scopeid 0x1 > atalk 65280.223 range 65280-65534 phase 2 broadcast 0.255 > ether 00:c0:f0:5a:91:9a > media: autoselect (10baseT/UTP) status: active > supported media: autoselect 100baseTX 100baseTX > 10baseT/UTP plex> 10baseT/UTP none > dc1: flags=8843 mtu 1500 > inet 192.168.100.1 netmask 0xffffff00 broadcast 192.168.100.255 > inet6 fe80::2c0:f0ff:fe56:8d51%dc1 prefixlen 64 scopeid 0x2 > ether 00:c0:f0:56:8d:51 > media: autoselect (10baseT/UTP) status: active > supported media: autoselect 100baseTX 100baseTX > 10baseT/UTP plex> 10baseT/UTP none > > The only modifications I have made to anyof the conf files was to > AppleVolumes.system: > # > HOME > /usr/share/muzak "MUZAK" > # > > Shouldn't my second NIC (dc1) have an atalk address bound to it since that's > what's connected to my MAC? I have tried changing atalkd.conf but it gets > over-ridden when I reboot. > > I have read just about every file/doc/man on my system as well as most of the > links found on asun's site. Any help would be greatly appreciated! > > Thanks, > - randy > ============================= > r a n d y / sesser at mac.com From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Tue Mar 6 17:18:33 2001 Return-Path: Received: from easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.26]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id RAA24307 for ; Tue, 6 Mar 2001 17:18:33 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id RAA16308 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Tue, 6 Mar 2001 17:18:33 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id RAA16293 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Tue, 6 Mar 2001 17:18:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from rgrjr.dyndns.org (h0050da615e79.ne.mediaone.net [24.218.161.12]) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with SMTP id RAA16215 for ; Tue, 6 Mar 2001 17:18:30 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 20437 invoked by uid 500); 6 Mar 2001 22:18:27 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <15013.25139.138560.62870@h0050da615e79.ne.mediaone.net> Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2001 17:18:27 -0500 From: Bob Rogers To: r a n d y // Cc: Subject: No server in chooser...newbie In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: VM 6.89 under Emacs 20.7.1 From: r a n d y // Date: Tue, 06 Mar 2001 13:59:24 -0800 Shouldn't my second NIC (dc1) have an atalk address bound to it since that's what's connected to my MAC? I have tried changing atalkd.conf but it gets over-ridden when I reboot. Yes, that's definitely a problem, but I'm not at all familiar with *BSD systems. My other newbie response might help . . . and then again, maybe not. -- Bob Rogers From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Tue Mar 6 17:56:36 2001 Return-Path: Received: from easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.26]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id RAA25459 for ; Tue, 6 Mar 2001 17:56:36 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id RAA19457 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Tue, 6 Mar 2001 17:56:36 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id RAA19440 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Tue, 6 Mar 2001 17:56:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from dome.numbersixnetworks.com (cr853601-a.bloor1.on.wave.home.com [24.43.35.129]) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id RAA19395 for ; Tue, 6 Mar 2001 17:56:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) (uid 500) by dome.numbersixnetworks.com with local; Tue, 06 Mar 2001 17:56:01 -0500 Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2001 17:56:01 -0500 From: Richard Michael To: "Daniel E. Lautenschleger" Cc: Netatalk Mailing List Subject: Re: Samba and Netatalk Message-ID: <20010306175601.H11134@guardian.numbersixnetworks.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: ; from dan@www.molbio.wisc.edu on Tue, Mar 06, 2001 at 03:57:00PM -0600 * Daniel E. Lautenschleger [010306 17:04]: > Would anyone care to comment on experiences they've had sharing data out > on a volume that was accessed by Netatalk and Samba? Any glitches? No > problem, go ahead and do it, your nuts, dude..., etc... I've been doing this for awhile. I have a stable netatalk/samba server at netatalk 1.4b2+asun. No trouble; unless my users aren't telling me. Read the mailing lists - there a --with-netatalk config time option (not in the build docs that I could see, but it was covered on the mailing list IIRC). --with-netatalk is currently an experimental hack, if I remember, it forces samba to move the .AppleDouble entries if a PC user moves files around from the PC (so as not to pooch appleshare side stuff). Don't know how reliable it is, I only included that option on the most recent server I config'd and it hasn't been tested thoroughly yet. Build it and try it out. Otherwise, nope you're not crazy. It's pretty nice. Just be aware of the filename issues and that Mac people should add the appropriate suffix to files they expect to dclick on a PC. Incidently, if --with-netatalk destroys something or is generally nasty, let me know :) There's too much traffic on the samba lists to subscribe :) Ciao. Rich From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Tue Mar 6 18:01:36 2001 Return-Path: Received: from kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.25]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id SAA25639 for ; Tue, 6 Mar 2001 18:01:36 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id SAA17640 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Tue, 6 Mar 2001 18:01:36 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id SAA17633 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Tue, 6 Mar 2001 18:01:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from dome.numbersixnetworks.com (cr853601-a.bloor1.on.wave.home.com [24.43.35.129]) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id SAA17617 for ; Tue, 6 Mar 2001 18:01:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) (uid 500) by dome.numbersixnetworks.com with local; Tue, 06 Mar 2001 18:01:01 -0500 Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2001 18:01:01 -0500 From: Richard Michael To: Walt Reed Cc: netatalk-admins@umich.edu Subject: Re: Bug? (not x-posted to devel): "/" in filename = "Type -50" error Message-ID: <20010306180101.I11134@guardian.numbersixnetworks.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: ; from walt@mail.terrascope.com on Tue, Mar 06, 2001 at 11:50:55AM -0800 * Walt Reed [010306 14:48]: > yes, i just tested this out on my redhat 7.0 box running 1.5pre3. i > made a folder called one/two and a simpletext doc called 1/2. both > copied to the share and had no errors, & did not create directories. > i was able to copy both back to the mac, no problems. only tested > from the finder though... Great, so according to all those who replied, there's no problem. This ought to be fun to track down. Perhaps I can get the user to recreate another file with the exact name string with the slashes .. I think I turned off extreme verbose debugging too.. ugh. This was a file that was saved locally, copied to the appleshare volume, then copied back (so there's _already_ a copied on the server, implying .AppleDouble entries, for those keeping track), worked with, renamed locally and copied back to the server. As far as I can tell, this should result in the creation of a new file with the slashes in the name. How about two slashes, did anyone test that? "DateFormat foo/bar/bar" I guess I'll test it out next time I'm at the box, I sure hope I can duplicate it - because sure as day, we could copy other files no problem, one had the error (slashes), remove slashes, no problem. Pretty clear. Thanks all. Rich From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Tue Mar 6 18:33:53 2001 Return-Path: Received: from funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.27]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id SAA27223 for ; Tue, 6 Mar 2001 18:33:53 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id SAA22960 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Tue, 6 Mar 2001 18:33:46 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id SAA22910 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Tue, 6 Mar 2001 18:33:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from ltsc.ucsb.edu (ltsc.ucsb.edu [128.111.224.224]) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id SAA22864 for ; Tue, 6 Mar 2001 18:33:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from [192.168.0.1] ([63.194.57.46]) by ltsc.ucsb.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA26445 for ; Tue, 6 Mar 2001 15:33:45 -0800 Date: Tue, 06 Mar 2001 15:33:14 -0800 From: David R Bosso To: Netatalk Mailing List Subject: Re: Samba and Netatalk Message-ID: <475243.3192881594@[192.168.0.1]> In-Reply-To: <20010306175601.H11134@guardian.numbersixnetworks.com> X-Mailer: Mulberry/2.0.3 (MacOS) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline --On Tuesday, March 6, 2001 5:56 PM -0500 Richard Michael wrote: > I've been doing this for awhile. I have a stable netatalk/samba server > at netatalk 1.4b2+asun. No trouble; unless my users aren't telling me. > Read the mailing lists - there a --with-netatalk config time option (not > in the build docs that I could see, but it was covered on the mailing > list IIRC). --with-netatalk is currently an experimental hack, if I > remember, it forces samba to move the .AppleDouble entries if a PC user > moves files around from the PC (so as not to pooch appleshare side > stuff). Don't know how reliable it is, I only included that option on > the most recent server I config'd and it hasn't been tested thoroughly > yet. I've been researching this for a while, and the biggest problem I've seen is incompatible locking. Simultaneously opening a datafile from both a Samba connected PC and a Netatalk connected Mac can cause strange things to happen if they both try to modify the file. There are no errors, and the file can easily be corrupted. AFAIK the --with-netatalk in Samba does nothing. Unless something has been changed recently, it was a feature that was never finished. -David From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Tue Mar 6 18:40:53 2001 Return-Path: Received: from easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.26]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id SAA27589 for ; Tue, 6 Mar 2001 18:40:53 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id SAA02895 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Tue, 6 Mar 2001 18:40:53 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id SAA02877 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Tue, 6 Mar 2001 18:40:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from femail3.sdc1.sfba.home.com (femail3.sdc1.sfba.home.com [24.0.95.83]) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id SAA02834 for ; Tue, 6 Mar 2001 18:40:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from cc416540c ([65.1.153.26]) by femail3.sdc1.sfba.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.00 201-229-121) with SMTP id <20010306233845.WWP16762.femail3.sdc1.sfba.home.com@cc416540c> for ; Tue, 6 Mar 2001 15:38:45 -0800 From: "Thomas Priore" To: Subject: Help PLS, only guest can log in. Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2001 18:39:19 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal Hi, I install netatalk 1.5pre4 on redhat linux 7.0. (actually I install a bunch of different versions, from rpm and compiling) The problem seems to be that only guest can log on. From what I've read this seems to be a shadow password problem, but I have no idea how to fix it. Can anyone help? I have a second problem too, which is more of a nuisance, the sever doesn't show up in the client's chooser, the ip has to be typed in. Is there a fix for this? Thanks. Tom From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Tue Mar 6 18:46:16 2001 Return-Path: Received: from kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.25]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id SAA27765 for ; Tue, 6 Mar 2001 18:46:16 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id SAA26582 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Tue, 6 Mar 2001 18:46:16 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id SAA26565 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Tue, 6 Mar 2001 18:46:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from dome.numbersixnetworks.com (cr853601-a.bloor1.on.wave.home.com [24.43.35.129]) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id SAA26532 for ; Tue, 6 Mar 2001 18:46:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) (uid 500) by dome.numbersixnetworks.com with local; Tue, 06 Mar 2001 18:45:41 -0500 Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2001 18:45:41 -0500 From: Richard Michael To: netatalk-admins@umich.edu Subject: more on Type -50, "/"'s Message-ID: <20010306184541.J11134@guardian.numbersixnetworks.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i It seems to work for most people. I'll look at the details next time at at the box and try to duplicate. I think I compiled with the DEBUG define .. In the meantime, can someone point me to the mapping in the code for Mac -> Unix chars? I took a quick look at etc/afpd/file.c and directory.c, but I would like an explanation of the code flow. Can someone tell me what errs from the server side (e.g. the AFPERR set?) will cause the mac to toss a -50? I hope it's not indeterminable or that it's not too long a list. Thanks. Rich From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Tue Mar 6 19:20:21 2001 Return-Path: Received: from funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.27]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id TAA28892 for ; Tue, 6 Mar 2001 19:20:21 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id TAA04651 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Tue, 6 Mar 2001 19:20:14 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id TAA04638 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Tue, 6 Mar 2001 19:20:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from potsdam.edu (potsdam.edu [137.143.110.101]) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with SMTP id TAA04606 for ; Tue, 6 Mar 2001 19:20:12 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 1141 invoked by alias); 7 Mar 2001 00:20:22 -0000 Received: (qmail 1129 invoked by uid 0); 7 Mar 2001 00:20:21 -0000 Received: from comp10574.potsdam.edu (HELO potsdam.edu) (137.143.111.133) by potsdam.edu with SMTP; 7 Mar 2001 00:20:21 -0000 Message-ID: <3AA57F62.C9348CF1@potsdam.edu> Date: Tue, 06 Mar 2001 19:22:58 -0500 From: Matthew Keller X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Daniel E. Lautenschleger" CC: Netatalk Mailing List Subject: Re: Samba and Netatalk References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit "Daniel E. Lautenschleger" wrote: > Would anyone care to comment on experiences they've had sharing data out > on a volume that was accessed by Netatalk and Samba? Any glitches? No > problem, go ahead and do it, your nuts, dude..., etc... Samba and Netatalk play completely wonderfully nice together... As long as you don't want users from both platforms simultaneously being able to access the same files, that is. There are severe locking issues (even NT/2000 doesn't handle it all that great). But if you're doing something like a Home Directory server (where, theoretically, no one will ever be on two computers at the same time, let alone 2 computers of different platforms at the same time) it works really really well. I've got serveral very large Netatalk+Samba installations out there (clients), and even a couple here @ the College. -- Matthew Keller Enterprise Systems Analyst Computing & Technology Services Information Services Division State University of New York at Potsdam Website: http://mattwork.potsdam.edu/ PGP: http://mattwork.potsdam.edu/crypto/ From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Tue Mar 6 20:23:22 2001 Return-Path: Received: from easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.26]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id UAA01922 for ; Tue, 6 Mar 2001 20:23:22 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id UAA24256 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Tue, 6 Mar 2001 20:23:21 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id UAA24230 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Tue, 6 Mar 2001 20:23:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from clever.visp-europe.psi.com (clever.visp-europe.psi.com [212.222.105.4]) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id UAA24187 for ; Tue, 6 Mar 2001 20:23:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from ns12-n67-156.de.inter.net ([213.73.67.156] helo=athlet.deltaman.de) by clever.visp-europe.psi.com with esmtp (Exim 3.22 #1) id 14aSfd-0002BI-00 for netatalk-admins@umich.edu; Wed, 07 Mar 2001 02:23:18 +0100 Received: from athlet (root@athlet.deltaman.de [192.168.1.1]) by athlet.deltaman.de (8.9.3/8.9.3/SuSE Linux 8.9.3-0.1) with SMTP id CAA06402 for ; Wed, 7 Mar 2001 02:20:50 +0100 From: Carsten Neumann Reply-To: deltor@snafu.de To: netatalk-admins@umich.edu Subject: Re: very [newbie] Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2001 01:58:06 +0100 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.0.28] Content-Type: text/plain References: <3AA40083.E5EA3AD7@fnac.net> <15013.24770.26168.382263@h0050da615e79.ne.mediaone.net> In-Reply-To: <15013.24770.26168.382263@h0050da615e79.ne.mediaone.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <01030702091002.04777@athlet> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu id UAA01922 On Tue, 06 Mar 2001, Bob Rogers wrote: [snip} > In a nutshell, atalkd uses AppleTalk (via DDP) protocol(s?), while afpd > uses AFPoverTCP (via TCP). [snip] Hmmm, are you sure? This would mean I could leave off starting afpd since I just use AppleTalk via DDP (MacOS 7.6.1). I always thought that atalkd establishes the "basic" protocols ECHO, ZIP, RTMP, NBP (Name-binding is essential to "see" the server in the Chooser ;-) ). And afpd implements AFP (DDP _and_ TCP). Therefore you always need to start both atalkd _and_ afpd if you want to AppleShare via DDP. Am I wrong? Regards Carsten BTW: There is no "Re:" in your reply subject. Makes it hard to follow a thread! From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Tue Mar 6 21:26:19 2001 Return-Path: Received: from easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.26]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id VAA02984 for ; Tue, 6 Mar 2001 21:26:19 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id VAA06546 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Tue, 6 Mar 2001 21:26:19 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id VAA06527 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Tue, 6 Mar 2001 21:26:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from rgrjr.dyndns.org (h0050da615e79.ne.mediaone.net [24.218.161.12]) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with SMTP id VAA06442 for ; Tue, 6 Mar 2001 21:26:15 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 20644 invoked by uid 500); 7 Mar 2001 02:26:09 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <15013.39999.134655.368980@h0050da615e79.ne.mediaone.net> Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2001 21:26:06 -0500 From: Bob Rogers To: deltor@snafu.de Cc: netatalk-admins@umich.edu Subject: Re: very [newbie] In-Reply-To: <01030702091002.04777@athlet> References: <3AA40083.E5EA3AD7@fnac.net> <15013.24770.26168.382263@h0050da615e79.ne.mediaone.net> <01030702091002.04777@athlet> X-Mailer: VM 6.89 under Emacs 20.7.1 From: Carsten Neumann Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2001 01:58:06 +0100 On Tue, 06 Mar 2001, Bob Rogers wrote: [snip} > In a nutshell, atalkd uses AppleTalk (via DDP) protocol(s?), while afpd > uses AFPoverTCP (via TCP). [snip] Hmmm, are you sure? Not very; I'm certainly no expert. That's part of why I didn't attempt to expand beyond the nutshell. . . . Therefore you always need to start both atalkd _and_ afpd if you want to AppleShare via DDP. That could be; I've hardly used DDP in this configuration, because of the aforementioned printer issue. And I haven't tried my TCP-only configuration without atalkd, either. So, I hope somebody solidly in the know will speak up and set me right, so I don't go confusing any more newbies. ;-} BTW: There is no "Re:" in your reply subject. Makes it hard to follow a thread! "Re:" is just noise; it doesn't convey anything that message sequence doesn't tell me. But I wasn't trying to be obscure; in fact, I'm surprised that you seem to rely on it so heavily . . . -- Bob From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Tue Mar 6 22:38:39 2001 Return-Path: Received: from funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.27]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id WAA04188 for ; Tue, 6 Mar 2001 22:38:39 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id WAA26159 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Tue, 6 Mar 2001 22:38:32 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id WAA26148 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Tue, 6 Mar 2001 22:38:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from gromit.daemonize.com (adsl-63-204-212-186.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [63.204.212.186]) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id WAA26105 for ; Tue, 6 Mar 2001 22:38:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from paulkrohn.com (wallace.daemonize.com [10.77.1.3] (may be forged)) by gromit.daemonize.com (8.9.3/8.9.2) with ESMTP id TAA24093; Tue, 6 Mar 2001 19:38:27 -0800 Message-ID: <3AA5AD29.CA82650D@paulkrohn.com> Date: Tue, 06 Mar 2001 19:38:17 -0800 From: Paul Krohn X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sesser@mac.com CC: netatalk-admins@umich.edu Subject: Re: No server in chooser...newbie References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit just fought this one off myself. your atalkd is binding only to the first interface it finds, in this case, dc0. atalkd.conf gets over-written every time you start atalkd, using what you put in there as, well, i guess hints is the way i'd explain it. i believe you could resolve this problem 2 ways: 1. an atalkd.conf file that contains one line: dc1 atalkd will pick up existing appletalk zone info on that interface and not bind to dc0. if there is no appletalk zone/cable ranges etc on that network, it will put itself in the "*" zone along with your mac. 2. explicitly name & seed zones for both interfaces: dc0 -seed -phase 2 -zone -addr -net dc1 -seed -phase 2 -zone -addr -net my interfaces are called eth0 and eth1: eth0 -seed -phase 2 -net 1-2 -addr 1.99 -zone "inside" eth1 -seed -phase 2 -net 3-4 -addr 3.99 -zone "outside" the small net ranges suffice for my small home network. don't try this in an office setting, unless you know there are no pre-existing appletalk zones/routers (not to mention some sort of vague notion of an appletalk zone scheme for the whole joint)! your network admin will hunt me down ... oh, and let me know if this helps. i'll be away for a few days, but can follow up next wednesday if needed. r a n d y // wrote: > > I know this has probably been addressed about a million times. I just > subscribed to the list and have been looking through the archive but still > can't find a definitive solution to my problem. I can connect to my server > using the IP but nothing shows up in chooser when I select AppleShare. > > Here's what I'm working with: > FreeBSD 4.2-STABLE i386 > 2 10/100BT NIC (Kingston) dc0 & dc1 > dc0 is connected to the net via PPPoE > dc1 is connected to the MAC > > #> ifconfig -u > dc0: flags=8843 mtu 1500 > inet6 fe80::2c0:f0ff:fe5a:919a%dc0 prefixlen 64 scopeid 0x1 > atalk 65280.223 range 65280-65534 phase 2 broadcast 0.255 > ether 00:c0:f0:5a:91:9a > media: autoselect (10baseT/UTP) status: active > supported media: autoselect 100baseTX 100baseTX > 10baseT/UTP plex> 10baseT/UTP none > dc1: flags=8843 mtu 1500 > inet 192.168.100.1 netmask 0xffffff00 broadcast 192.168.100.255 > inet6 fe80::2c0:f0ff:fe56:8d51%dc1 prefixlen 64 scopeid 0x2 > ether 00:c0:f0:56:8d:51 > media: autoselect (10baseT/UTP) status: active > supported media: autoselect 100baseTX 100baseTX > 10baseT/UTP plex> 10baseT/UTP none > > The only modifications I have made to anyof the conf files was to > AppleVolumes.system: > # > HOME > /usr/share/muzak "MUZAK" > # > > Shouldn't my second NIC (dc1) have an atalk address bound to it since that's > what's connected to my MAC? I have tried changing atalkd.conf but it gets > over-ridden when I reboot. > > I have read just about every file/doc/man on my system as well as most of > the links found on asun's site. Any help would be greatly appreciated! > > Thanks, > - randy > ============================= > r a n d y / sesser at mac.com From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Wed Mar 7 00:03:57 2001 Return-Path: Received: from funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.27]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id AAA05997 for ; Wed, 7 Mar 2001 00:03:57 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id AAA19778 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Wed, 7 Mar 2001 00:03:49 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id AAA19750 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Wed, 7 Mar 2001 00:03:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from soda.csua.berkeley.edu (soda.CSUA.Berkeley.EDU [128.32.43.52]) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id AAA19689 for ; Wed, 7 Mar 2001 00:03:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (akopps@localhost) by soda.csua.berkeley.edu (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id f2753rD71696 for ; Tue, 6 Mar 2001 21:03:53 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from akopps@csua.berkeley.edu) Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2001 21:03:53 -0800 (PST) From: Akop Pogosian To: Subject: Latest stable for Solaris? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I have downladed 1.5pre4 source distribution from sourceforge and had no end of problems trying to compile it. It seems to be quite broken on Solaris right now. So what is the latest stable version of netatalk that people run on Solaris? Where should I get it? From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Wed Mar 7 03:53:13 2001 Return-Path: Received: from easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.26]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id DAA10240 for ; Wed, 7 Mar 2001 03:53:13 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id DAA23660 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Wed, 7 Mar 2001 03:53:13 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id DAA23639 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Wed, 7 Mar 2001 03:53:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp10.xs4all.nl (smtp10.xs4all.nl [194.109.6.54]) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id DAA23607 for ; Wed, 7 Mar 2001 03:53:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from webmail1.xs4all.nl (webmail1.xs4all.nl [194.109.127.31]) by smtp10.xs4all.nl (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f278pb822357; Wed, 7 Mar 2001 09:51:38 +0100 (CET) Received: by webmail1.xs4all.nl (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA06704; Wed, 7 Mar 2001 09:53:07 +0100 (CET) Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2001 09:53:07 +0100 (CET) Message-Id: <200103070853.JAA06704@webmail1.xs4all.nl> X-Authentication-Warning: webmail1.xs4all.nl: lammerse set sender to lammerse@xs4all.nl using -f From: Marcel Lammerse To: Thomas Priore , netatalk-admins@umich.edu References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: IMP/PHP3 Imap webMail Program 2.0.0-xs4all Subject: Re: Help PLS, only guest can log in. Hello Thomas, it seems that I have had the exact same (first) problem. I can't explain your second problem, but here's something that might help you on your way. By the way, I have a Linux redhat 6.0 system and I'm using MacOS 9.0.4. If you want to do user-authentication, netatalk needs to support a number of authentication methods. If you follow the instructions and compile netatalk with the pam modules and the des library, you can see in /var/log/messages which authentication methods are supported. If you use the default configuration files for afpd, these methods are: cleartext password login, guest login and Diffie-Hellman/CAST-128. None of these will work, except for guest login. What will work is if you look in /etc/atalk/uams and you find a randnum or rand2num file, encrypted random numbers are supported. You will need to configure this in afpd.conf. Just add it to uamslist. It should read something (I don't have Linux handy) like this: "My volume" -transall -uamslist uams_randnum.so ... If you've done that and you fire up netatalkd again (preferrable with the supplied script), you should see an additional supported authentication mechanism (encrypted random numbers). Then what you need to do, is use the afppasswd command to create a password file and add your user to it. Something like: afppasswd -c /etc/atalk/afppasswd afppasswd -a my-user [type password twice] Then you should be able to connect to the share via your macintosh. If anyone knows a better/more efficient way, I'd love to hear it. If you need any more help, just shout. Regards, Marcel Quoting Thomas Priore : > Hi, I install netatalk 1.5pre4 on redhat linux 7.0. (actually I install a > bunch of different versions, from rpm and compiling) The problem seems to > be > that only guest can log on. From what I've read this seems to be a shadow > password problem, but I have no idea how to fix it. Can anyone help? > > I have a second problem too, which is more of a nuisance, the sever doesn't > show up in the client's chooser, the ip has to be typed in. Is there a fix > for this? > > Thanks. > > Tom > > From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Wed Mar 7 04:11:11 2001 Return-Path: Received: from kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.25]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id EAA10531 for ; Wed, 7 Mar 2001 04:11:11 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id EAA28028 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Wed, 7 Mar 2001 04:11:11 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id EAA28024 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Wed, 7 Mar 2001 04:11:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp.euronet.nl (america.euronet.nl [194.134.0.151]) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id EAA28013 for ; Wed, 7 Mar 2001 04:11:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from win2000bto1 (p648.vmw.euronet.nl [194.134.197.176]) by smtp.euronet.nl (Postfix) with SMTP id B203C20045 for ; Wed, 7 Mar 2001 10:11:07 +0100 (MET) From: "Bas Toorenburg" To: Subject: Unsubscribe Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2001 10:12:33 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 In-Reply-To: <200103070853.JAA06704@webmail1.xs4all.nl> unsubscribe From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Wed Mar 7 07:05:10 2001 Return-Path: Received: from kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.25]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id HAA12867 for ; Wed, 7 Mar 2001 07:05:10 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id HAA24742 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Wed, 7 Mar 2001 07:05:10 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id HAA24719 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Wed, 7 Mar 2001 07:05:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from trinity.magpage.com (trinity.magpage.com [216.155.0.8]) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id HAA24681 for ; Wed, 7 Mar 2001 07:05:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from [216.155.36.73] ([216.155.36.73]) by trinity.magpage.com (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id f27C57311737 for ; Wed, 7 Mar 2001 07:05:07 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: ryannm@mail.magpage.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2001 07:09:11 -0500 To: netatalk-admins@umich.edu From: Ryan McBeth Subject: Re: Samba and Netatalk Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Daniel, The two seem to co-exist together pretty well. Rich made a few valid points with .AppleDouble files. However, there is one thing that you may want to bring up in regards to Windows and Linux users. You need to let them know that they can't create files greater than 32 characters or the Mac users won't be a able to see them. And you will get holy hell from your Mac users when they call you and day "Bob said that he put the file on the server, but I can't see it, is the server broken?" So, you may need to do some social engineering with your Windows and Linux users to make sure that they understand the limitation. They will forget about it anyway, so make sure you have them sign something. :-) Can you tell I've been an Admin for way too long? Ryan >Would anyone care to comment on experiences they've had sharing data out >on a volume that was accessed by Netatalk and Samba? Any glitches? No >problem, go ahead and do it, your nuts, dude..., etc... > >Thanks. I have a dream that I can take one of our NT file servers and >replace it with a Linux/Samba/Netatalk box. What a fine realization that >would be... > >Thanks. >-Dan __________________________________ Ryan McBeth Systems Administrator, Mobius New Media Voice: (302) 475-9880 x11 FAX: (302) 475-9894 www.mobiusnm.com __________________________________ The secret to not getting burned out is to play at working hard, and not taking things too seriously. - Linus Torvalds From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Wed Mar 7 07:12:01 2001 Return-Path: Received: from kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.25]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id HAA12954 for ; Wed, 7 Mar 2001 07:12:01 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id HAA09518 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Wed, 7 Mar 2001 07:12:01 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id HAA09495 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Wed, 7 Mar 2001 07:12:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from trinity.magpage.com (trinity.magpage.com [216.155.0.8]) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id HAA09452 for ; Wed, 7 Mar 2001 07:11:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from [216.155.36.73] ([216.155.36.73]) by trinity.magpage.com (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id f27CBw312895 for ; Wed, 7 Mar 2001 07:11:58 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: ryannm@mail.magpage.com Message-Id: Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2001 07:16:01 -0500 To: netatalk-admins@umich.edu From: Ryan McBeth Subject: netatalk-1.5pre4-1.i386.rpm on 6.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" I'm setting up a Redhat 6.0 machine today and I don't plan to use shadowed passwords. Has anyone had any problems installing the netatalk-1.5pre4-1.i386.rpm on Redhat 6.0? Ryan __________________________________ Ryan McBeth Systems Administrator, Mobius New Media Voice: (302) 475-9880 x11 FAX: (302) 475-9894 www.mobiusnm.com __________________________________ The secret to not getting burned out is to play at working hard, and not taking things too seriously. - Linus Torvalds From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Wed Mar 7 08:17:57 2001 Return-Path: Received: from easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.26]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id IAA14502 for ; Wed, 7 Mar 2001 08:17:57 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id IAA00662 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Wed, 7 Mar 2001 08:17:57 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id IAA00656 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Wed, 7 Mar 2001 08:17:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.tasis.ch (mail.tasis.ch [194.209.185.234]) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id IAA00630 for ; Wed, 7 Mar 2001 08:17:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (tihen.william@localhost) by mail.tasis.ch (8.9.3/8.8.7) with ESMTP id OAA18746; Wed, 7 Mar 2001 14:54:33 +0100 Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2001 14:54:33 +0100 (CET) From: Tihen To: "Daniel E. Lautenschleger" cc: Netatalk Mailing List Subject: Re: Samba and Netatalk In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I have had only minor problems -- if someone uses both sometimes the Mac has a hard time reconizing what the files are. But I think the solution is to update the AppleVolumes (or something like that). I recommend -- "Go ahead [make my day]." Bill On Tue, 6 Mar 2001, Daniel E. Lautenschleger wrote: > Would anyone care to comment on experiences they've had sharing data out > on a volume that was accessed by Netatalk and Samba? Any glitches? No > problem, go ahead and do it, your nuts, dude..., etc... > > Thanks. I have a dream that I can take one of our NT file servers and > replace it with a Linux/Samba/Netatalk box. What a fine realization that > would be... > > Thanks. > -Dan > From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Wed Mar 7 08:49:43 2001 Return-Path: Received: from funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.27]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id IAA15458 for ; Wed, 7 Mar 2001 08:49:43 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id IAA08540 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Wed, 7 Mar 2001 08:49:35 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id IAA08503 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Wed, 7 Mar 2001 08:49:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from sowrong.org (syr-24-24-23-149.twcny.rr.com [24.24.23.149]) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id IAA08454 for ; Wed, 7 Mar 2001 08:49:33 -0500 (EST) Received: (from cjc26@localhost) by sowrong.org (8.11.0/8.11.0) id f27DnYo06288; Wed, 7 Mar 2001 08:49:34 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2001 08:49:34 -0500 From: Cliff Crawford To: Bob Rogers Cc: deltor@snafu.de, netatalk-admins@umich.edu Subject: Re: very [newbie] Message-ID: <20010307084934.A6238@cornell.edu> References: <3AA40083.E5EA3AD7@fnac.net> <15013.24770.26168.382263@h0050da615e79.ne.mediaone.net> <01030702091002.04777@athlet> <15013.39999.134655.368980@h0050da615e79.ne.mediaone.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <15013.39999.134655.368980@h0050da615e79.ne.mediaone.net>; from rogers-netatalk@rgrjr.dyndns.org on Tue, Mar 06, 2001 at 09:26:06PM -0500 * Bob Rogers menulis: > > . . . Therefore you always need to start both atalkd _and_ afpd if > you want to AppleShare via DDP. > > That could be; I've hardly used DDP in this configuration, because of > the aforementioned printer issue. And I haven't tried my TCP-only > configuration without atalkd, either. > > So, I hope somebody solidly in the know will speak up and set me > right, so I don't go confusing any more newbies. ;-} Carsten is correct. afpd implements the file server for both appletalk and tcp, while atalkd implements the AppleTalk networking protocols and has nothing to do with file serving itself. So both need to be running to do AppleShare over appletalk. -- Cliff Crawford He who sacrifices his conscience to ambition burns a picture to obtain the ashes. - Chinese proverb From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Wed Mar 7 11:07:08 2001 Return-Path: Received: from easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.26]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id LAA19414 for ; Wed, 7 Mar 2001 11:07:07 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id LAA15008 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Wed, 7 Mar 2001 11:07:07 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id LAA14999 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Wed, 7 Mar 2001 11:07:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from univrel.pr.uconn.edu (univrel.pr.uconn.edu [137.99.59.30]) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id LAA14977 for ; Wed, 7 Mar 2001 11:07:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from univrel.pr.uconn.edu (root@test.pr.uconn.edu [137.99.59.90]) by univrel.pr.uconn.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id LAA11761; Wed, 7 Mar 2001 11:07:04 -0500 Sender: root@univrel.pr.uconn.edu Message-ID: <3AA65C07.7CD44142@univrel.pr.uconn.edu> Date: Wed, 07 Mar 2001 11:04:23 -0500 From: jeff X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.0-0.14mdk i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Ryan McBeth CC: netatalk-admins@umich.edu Subject: Re: netatalk-1.5pre4-1.i386.rpm on 6.0 References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Ryan McBeth wrote: > I'm setting up a Redhat 6.0 machine today and I don't plan to > use shadowed passwords. Has anyone had any problems installing the > netatalk-1.5pre4-1.i386.rpm on Redhat 6.0? DHX logins are broken in 1.5pre4-1. I'm releasing 1.5pre5 sometime today (hopefully), which has that and a few other bugs fixed. jeff From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Wed Mar 7 11:10:07 2001 Return-Path: Received: from kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.25]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id LAA19533 for ; Wed, 7 Mar 2001 11:10:07 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id LAA25285 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Wed, 7 Mar 2001 11:10:07 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id LAA25239 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Wed, 7 Mar 2001 11:10:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from sdt-ntas.nfb.ca (SDT-NTAS.NFB.CA [199.84.162.26]) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id LAA25203 for ; Wed, 7 Mar 2001 11:10:05 -0500 (EST) Received: by SDT-NTAS.NFB.CA with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Wed, 7 Mar 2001 11:10:01 -0500 Message-ID: <16A5AD2F8968D311B7C400508B136F31024D7248@SDT-NTAS.NFB.CA> From: St-Pierre Marc To: "'netatalk-admins@umich.edu'" Subject: write-right timeout Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2001 11:09:59 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain Hi, I'm using netatalk 1.4b2+asun2.1.4 on Solaris 7 for almost a year now without any but one small problem: On diverse macs launching Adobe After-effects render queues, we get warning messages after exactly 10 minutes saying something close to "you don't have enough priviledges to write to (path)". And it is not a connection timeout, because the application goes on to the next job in the queue and works again for another ten minutes... So it's some strange timeout. As for the macs themselves, this is happening on G3s running OS9, on 9600s running 8.6, it doesn't seem to matter. Has anybody experienced something similar and hopefully found a fix? Thanks! From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Wed Mar 7 11:47:22 2001 Return-Path: Received: from funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.27]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id LAA21680 for ; Wed, 7 Mar 2001 11:47:22 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id LAA24922 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Wed, 7 Mar 2001 11:47:13 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id LAA24878 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Wed, 7 Mar 2001 11:47:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from schilling.ucdavis.edu (schilling.ucdavis.edu [169.237.105.1]) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id LAA24759 for ; Wed, 7 Mar 2001 11:47:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from prometheus.mailbox.ucdavis.edu (iras-4-1.ucdavis.edu [169.237.17.129]) by schilling.ucdavis.edu (8.11.1/8.11.0/IT4.4.8) with ESMTP id f27Gkuh09435; Wed, 7 Mar 2001 08:46:56 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <5.0.2.1.0.20010307084318.00a7a5a0@127.0.0.1> X-Sender: itlm019/mailbox.ucdavis.edu@127.0.0.1 (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0.2 Date: Wed, 07 Mar 2001 08:46:50 -0800 To: Tihen , "Daniel E. Lautenschleger" From: "Marc J. Miller" Subject: Re: Samba and Netatalk Cc: Netatalk Mailing List In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed There is some sort of enable-netatalk-compatibility (or something similar to that) option in Samba which is supposed to, I repeat *supposed to* make it easier for netatalk to understand the file types. But I've never tried it and I've heard some say that it doesn't work and they can't figure out what that feature is supposed to be for. Might be worth investigating, though. At 02:54 PM 3/7/01 +0100, Tihen wrote: >I have had only minor problems -- if someone uses both sometimes the Mac >has a hard time reconizing what the files are. But I think the solution >is to update the AppleVolumes (or something like that). > >I recommend -- "Go ahead [make my day]." > >Bill > >On Tue, 6 Mar 2001, Daniel E. Lautenschleger wrote: > > > Would anyone care to comment on experiences they've had sharing data out > > on a volume that was accessed by Netatalk and Samba? Any glitches? No > > problem, go ahead and do it, your nuts, dude..., etc... > > > > Thanks. I have a dream that I can take one of our NT file servers and > > replace it with a Linux/Samba/Netatalk box. What a fine realization that > > would be... > > > > Thanks. > > -Dan > > From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Wed Mar 7 12:11:13 2001 Return-Path: Received: from funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.27]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id MAA22377 for ; Wed, 7 Mar 2001 12:11:13 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id MAA06393 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Wed, 7 Mar 2001 12:11:05 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id MAA06361 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Wed, 7 Mar 2001 12:11:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from sdt-ntas.nfb.ca (SDT-NTAS.NFB.CA [199.84.162.26]) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id MAA06293 for ; Wed, 7 Mar 2001 12:11:03 -0500 (EST) Received: by SDT-NTAS.NFB.CA with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Wed, 7 Mar 2001 12:11:09 -0500 Message-ID: <16A5AD2F8968D311B7C400508B136F31024D7249@SDT-NTAS.NFB.CA> From: St-Pierre Marc To: "'netatalk-admins@umich.edu'" Subject: RE: Samba and Netatalk Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2001 12:11:07 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain We have such a Mac-Samba mix here and the coexistence works nicely. On the other hand I had the oportunity to look pretty deep into samba's mechanisms and I never heard or read about any "netatalk compatibility" option though. So personnaly I would say go for it, but make sure of two things to avoid mac users coming at you complaining about generic icons and apps not launching: - first have your .AppleVolumes.system up to date so files coming from a PC (and without resources fork) are seen properly on macs. The .AppleVolume.system does that by "telling" files to assume such or such mac-identity according to their file extension. -second, you will have to somehow get the mac users into the habit of naming their files with an extension, so that they are seen properly on windows stations. And this is not easy, let me tell you that! > ---------- > From: Marc J. Miller > Sent: Wednesday, March 7, 2001 11:46 AM > To: Tihen; Daniel E. Lautenschleger > Cc: Netatalk Mailing List > Subject: Re: Samba and Netatalk > > There is some sort of enable-netatalk-compatibility (or something similar > to that) option in Samba which is supposed to, I repeat *supposed to* make > > it easier for netatalk to understand the file types. But I've never tried > > it and I've heard some say that it doesn't work and they can't figure out > what that feature is supposed to be for. Might be worth investigating, > though. > > At 02:54 PM 3/7/01 +0100, Tihen wrote: > >I have had only minor problems -- if someone uses both sometimes the Mac > >has a hard time reconizing what the files are. But I think the solution > >is to update the AppleVolumes (or something like that). > > > >I recommend -- "Go ahead [make my day]." > > > >Bill > > > >On Tue, 6 Mar 2001, Daniel E. Lautenschleger wrote: > > > > > Would anyone care to comment on experiences they've had sharing data > out > > > on a volume that was accessed by Netatalk and Samba? Any glitches? No > > > problem, go ahead and do it, your nuts, dude..., etc... > > > > > > Thanks. I have a dream that I can take one of our NT file servers and > > > replace it with a Linux/Samba/Netatalk box. What a fine realization > that > > > would be... > > > > > > Thanks. > > > -Dan > > > > > From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Wed Mar 7 13:37:00 2001 Return-Path: Received: from funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.27]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id NAA24473 for ; Wed, 7 Mar 2001 13:37:00 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id NAA04184 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Wed, 7 Mar 2001 13:36:52 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id NAA04151 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Wed, 7 Mar 2001 13:36:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from keam1 (keam1.vcc.bc.ca [142.30.247.21]) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with SMTP id NAA04001 for ; Wed, 7 Mar 2001 13:36:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from VCC-Message_Server by keam1 with Novell_GroupWise; Wed, 07 Mar 2001 10:38:03 -0800 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 5.5.4.1 Date: Wed, 07 Mar 2001 10:37:44 -0800 From: "Bryn Hughes" To: Subject: Re: Samba and Netatalk Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu id NAA24473 Here's a question... is this issue resolved if using an HFS volume to do the file sharing? As HFS doesn't allow filenames longer than 32 chars, users just plain wouldn't be able to create them in the first place, correct? This also helps with some issues with Mac aliases getting confused, etc. AFAIK. I know there are limitations to HFS with regards to volume and file size and how efficiently the disk is used with larger volumes, but for smaller shares this could be a solution. Bryn >>> Ryan McBeth - 3/7/01 4:09 AM >>> Daniel, The two seem to co-exist together pretty well. Rich made a few valid points with .AppleDouble files. However, there is one thing that you may want to bring up in regards to Windows and Linux users. You need to let them know that they can't create files greater than 32 characters or the Mac users won't be a able to see them. And you will get holy hell from your Mac users when they call you and day "Bob said that he put the file on the server, but I can't see it, is the server broken?" So, you may need to do some social engineering with your Windows and Linux users to make sure that they understand the limitation. They will forget about it anyway, so make sure you have them sign something. :-) Can you tell I've been an Admin for way too long? Ryan >Would anyone care to comment on experiences they've had sharing data out >on a volume that was accessed by Netatalk and Samba? Any glitches? No >problem, go ahead and do it, your nuts, dude..., etc... > >Thanks. I have a dream that I can take one of our NT file servers and >replace it with a Linux/Samba/Netatalk box. What a fine realization that >would be... > >Thanks. >-Dan __________________________________ Ryan McBeth Systems Administrator, Mobius New Media Voice: (302) 475-9880 x11 FAX: (302) 475-9894 www.mobiusnm.com __________________________________ The secret to not getting burned out is to play at working hard, and not taking things too seriously. - Linus Torvalds From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Wed Mar 7 13:37:25 2001 Return-Path: Received: from funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.27]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id NAA24498 for ; Wed, 7 Mar 2001 13:37:25 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id NAA05077 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Wed, 7 Mar 2001 13:37:17 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id NAA05071 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Wed, 7 Mar 2001 13:37:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from web9506.mail.yahoo.com (web9506.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.129.20]) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with SMTP id NAA05001 for ; Wed, 7 Mar 2001 13:37:15 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20010307183720.60882.qmail@web9506.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [148.233.229.235] by web9506.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 07 Mar 2001 10:37:20 PST Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2001 10:37:20 -0800 (PST) From: Francisco "Montańez" Subject: i need help To: netatalk-admins@umich.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hi my name is francisco> I need install a printer in Linux Redhat 6.2 > my machines macintosh have print > > I install netatalk ,but ..the server not print...> > atalkd.conf > I need configuration for the files > papd,conf> netatalk.conf> > > and others files..for work good> > > I get a ping a printer> > aecho e7p2im06:LaserWriter> 14 bytes from 65280.124: aep_seq=0, time=0 ms> > but when I print > #pap -p e7p2im06:LaserWriter /etc/hosts > Trying 65280.124:254 ...> status: print spooler procesing joc > onnect to e7p2ium06:LaserWriter@*.> > and not print....> > my files of configuration are:> > ***afpd.conf> # default: > # - -transall -uamlist> uams_guest.so,uams_clrtxt.so,uams_dhx.so > -nosavepassword> informa> > > **********atalkd.conf > # routers disagree about it's configuration of le1.> # > eth0 -phase 2 -net 0-65534 -addr 65280.124> > > *********netatalk.conf****************> Appletalk configuration> > > *************papd,conf********************> > :am=uams_clrtxt.so:> # > # Note also that papd.conf can list several printers.> e7p2im06:\> :pr=lp:> > > > > > > > my /etc/printcap> > ### e7p2im06 #####> e7p2im06:\> :rp=raw:\> :sh:\ > :rw:\> :sb:\> :mx#0:\> :lf=/var/spool/lpd/e7p2im06/error:\ > :af=/var/spool/lpd/e7p2im06/acct:\> :sd=/var/spool/lpd/e7p2im06:\ > :rm=e7p2im06.soporte.com:> > > # Change this to increase the maximum number of > clients that can connect:> AFPD_MAX_CLIENTS=20> > # Change this to set the machine's atalk name and> zone. > # NOTE: if you're zone has spaces in it, you're better> off specifying > # it in afpd.conf> #ATALK_ZONE=@zone > ATALK_NAME=`echo ${HOSTNAME}|cut -d. -f1`> > # specify this if you don't want guest, clrtxt, and> dhx > # available options: uams_guest.so, uams_clrtxt.so,> uams_dhx.so, > # uams_randnum.so> #AFPD_UAMLIST="-U uams_clrtxt.so,uams_randnum.so"> > # Change this to set the id of the guest user> AFPD_GUEST=nobody> > # Set which daemons to run (papd is dependent upon> atalkd):> ATALKD_RUN=yes > PAPD_RUN=yes> AFPD_RUN=yes> > # Control whether the daemons are started in the > background> ATALK_BGROUND=no> > > tank...> Ineed help You> > Francisco __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 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Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Wed Mar 7 13:37:34 2001 Return-Path: Received: from easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.26]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id NAA24516 for ; Wed, 7 Mar 2001 13:37:34 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id NAA20757 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Wed, 7 Mar 2001 13:37:34 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id NAA20727 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Wed, 7 Mar 2001 13:37:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from web9501.mail.yahoo.com (web9501.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.129.131]) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with SMTP id NAA20715 for ; Wed, 7 Mar 2001 13:37:30 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20010307183730.49038.qmail@web9501.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [148.233.229.235] by web9501.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 07 Mar 2001 10:37:30 PST Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2001 10:37:30 -0800 (PST) From: Francisco "Montańez" Subject: i need help To: netatalk-admins@umich.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hi my name is francisco> I need install a printer in Linux Redhat 6.2 > my machines macintosh have print > > I install netatalk ,but ..the server not print...> > atalkd.conf > I need configuration for the files > papd,conf> netatalk.conf> > > and others files..for work good> > > I get a ping a printer> > aecho e7p2im06:LaserWriter> 14 bytes from 65280.124: aep_seq=0, time=0 ms> > but when I print > #pap -p e7p2im06:LaserWriter /etc/hosts > Trying 65280.124:254 ...> status: print spooler procesing joc > onnect to e7p2ium06:LaserWriter@*.> > and not print....> > my files of configuration are:> > ***afpd.conf> # default: > # - -transall -uamlist> uams_guest.so,uams_clrtxt.so,uams_dhx.so > -nosavepassword> informa> > > **********atalkd.conf > # routers disagree about it's configuration of le1.> # > eth0 -phase 2 -net 0-65534 -addr 65280.124> > > *********netatalk.conf****************> Appletalk configuration> > > *************papd,conf********************> > :am=uams_clrtxt.so:> # > # Note also that papd.conf can list several printers.> e7p2im06:\> :pr=lp:> > > > > > > > my /etc/printcap> > ### e7p2im06 #####> e7p2im06:\> :rp=raw:\> :sh:\ > :rw:\> :sb:\> :mx#0:\> :lf=/var/spool/lpd/e7p2im06/error:\ > :af=/var/spool/lpd/e7p2im06/acct:\> :sd=/var/spool/lpd/e7p2im06:\ > :rm=e7p2im06.soporte.com:> > > # Change this to increase the maximum number of > clients that can connect:> AFPD_MAX_CLIENTS=20> > # Change this to set the machine's atalk name and> zone. > # NOTE: if you're zone has spaces in it, you're better> off specifying > # it in afpd.conf> #ATALK_ZONE=@zone > ATALK_NAME=`echo ${HOSTNAME}|cut -d. -f1`> > # specify this if you don't want guest, clrtxt, and> dhx > # available options: uams_guest.so, uams_clrtxt.so,> uams_dhx.so, > # uams_randnum.so> #AFPD_UAMLIST="-U uams_clrtxt.so,uams_randnum.so"> > # Change this to set the id of the guest user> AFPD_GUEST=nobody> > # Set which daemons to run (papd is dependent upon> atalkd):> ATALKD_RUN=yes > PAPD_RUN=yes> AFPD_RUN=yes> > # Control whether the daemons are started in the > background> ATALK_BGROUND=no> > > tank...> Ineed help You> > Francisco __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 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Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Wed Mar 7 13:54:22 2001 Return-Path: Received: from funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.27]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id NAA25169 for ; Wed, 7 Mar 2001 13:54:22 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id NAA03337 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Wed, 7 Mar 2001 13:54:14 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id NAA03315 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Wed, 7 Mar 2001 13:54:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from tsmtp3.ldap.isp ([195.235.113.141]) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id NAA03201 for ; Wed, 7 Mar 2001 13:54:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from [10.0.0.3] ([213.97.106.73]) by tsmtp3.ldap.isp (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with ESMTP id G9UCCI05.D2T; Wed, 7 Mar 2001 19:50:42 +0100 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/9.0.2509 Date: Wed, 07 Mar 2001 19:54:09 +0100 Subject: Re: i need help From: Jason Quigley To: Monta=?ISO-8859-1?B?8Q==?=ez Francisco , Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20010307183730.49038.qmail@web9501.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Sender: jason_quigley@terra.es Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu id NAA25169 Please send the message again without that terrible quoting. If we can read it, maybe we can help. On 7/3/01 19:37, "Montańez Francisco" wrote: > Hi my name is francisco> I need install a printer in > Linux Redhat 6.2 >> my machines macintosh have print > >> I install netatalk ,but ..the server not print...> > > atalkd.conf >> I need configuration for the files > papd,conf> > netatalk.conf> > >> and others files..for work good> > > I get a ping a > printer> >> aecho e7p2im06:LaserWriter> 14 bytes from > 65280.124: aep_seq=0, time=0 ms> >> but when I print > #pap -p e7p2im06:LaserWriter > /etc/hosts >> Trying 65280.124:254 ...> status: print spooler > procesing joc >> onnect to e7p2ium06:LaserWriter@*.> > and not > print....> >> my files of configuration are:> > ***afpd.conf> # > default: >> # - -transall -uamlist> > uams_guest.so,uams_clrtxt.so,uams_dhx.so >> -nosavepassword> informa> > > **********atalkd.conf >> # routers disagree about it's configuration of le1.> > # >> eth0 -phase 2 -net 0-65534 -addr 65280.124> > >> *********netatalk.conf****************> Appletalk > configuration> > >> *************papd,conf********************> > > :am=uams_clrtxt.so:> # >> # Note also that papd.conf can list several > printers.> e7p2im06:\> :pr=lp:> > >>>>>>> my /etc/printcap> > ### e7p2im06 #####> > e7p2im06:\> :rp=raw:\> :sh:\ >> :rw:\> :sb:\> :mx#0:\> > :lf=/var/spool/lpd/e7p2im06/error:\ >> :af=/var/spool/lpd/e7p2im06/acct:\> > :sd=/var/spool/lpd/e7p2im06:\ >> :rm=e7p2im06.soporte.com:> > > # Change this to > increase the maximum number of >> clients that can connect:> AFPD_MAX_CLIENTS=20> >> # Change this to set the machine's atalk name and> > zone. >> # NOTE: if you're zone has spaces in it, you're > better> off specifying >> # it in afpd.conf> #ATALK_ZONE=@zone >> ATALK_NAME=`echo ${HOSTNAME}|cut -d. -f1`> >> # specify this if you don't want guest, clrtxt, and> > dhx >> # available options: uams_guest.so, uams_clrtxt.so,> > uams_dhx.so, >> # uams_randnum.so> #AFPD_UAMLIST="-U > uams_clrtxt.so,uams_randnum.so"> >> # Change this to set the id of the guest user> > AFPD_GUEST=nobody> >> # Set which daemons to run (papd is dependent upon> > atalkd):> ATALKD_RUN=yes >> PAPD_RUN=yes> AFPD_RUN=yes> > # Control whether the > daemons are started in the >> background> ATALK_BGROUND=no> > > tank...> Ineed > help You> > Francisco > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. > http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ > From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Wed Mar 7 14:07:11 2001 Return-Path: Received: from easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.26]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id OAA25420 for ; Wed, 7 Mar 2001 14:07:11 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id OAA29680 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Wed, 7 Mar 2001 14:07:11 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id OAA29644 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Wed, 7 Mar 2001 14:07:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from mailhub.cns.ksu.edu (grunt.ksu.ksu.edu [129.130.12.17]) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id OAA29577 for ; Wed, 7 Mar 2001 14:07:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from unix2 (sto9013@unix2.cc.ksu.edu [129.130.12.4]) by mailhub.cns.ksu.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1/mailhub+tar) with SMTP id NAA12990 for ; Wed, 7 Mar 2001 13:07:07 -0600 (CST) Received: from localhost by unix2 (SMI-8.6/1.34) id NAA03719; Wed, 7 Mar 2001 13:07:06 -0600 Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2001 13:07:06 -0600 (CST) From: Seanano X-Sender: sto9013@unix2.cc.ksu.edu To: netatalk-admins@umich.edu Subject: Re: Samba and Netatalk In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > Here's a question... is this issue resolved if using an HFS volume to > do the file sharing? As HFS doesn't allow filenames longer than 32 > chars, users just plain wouldn't be able to create them in the first > place, correct? This also helps with some issues with Mac aliases > getting confused, etc. AFAIK. I know there are limitations to HFS > with regards to volume and file size and how efficiently the disk is > used with larger volumes, but for smaller shares this could be a > solution. IMHO, I would think the lack of file permissions with HFS wouldn't make this very useful for anything other than read only (which wouldn't have the problem anyway since nothing could be changed) or single user shares. Sean From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Wed Mar 7 14:54:02 2001 Return-Path: Received: from kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.25]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id OAA26805 for ; Wed, 7 Mar 2001 14:54:02 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id OAA26518 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Wed, 7 Mar 2001 14:54:00 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id OAA26498 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Wed, 7 Mar 2001 14:53:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from keam1 (keam1.vcc.bc.ca [142.30.247.21]) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with SMTP id OAA26443 for ; Wed, 7 Mar 2001 14:53:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from VCC-Message_Server by keam1 with Novell_GroupWise; Wed, 07 Mar 2001 11:55:15 -0800 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 5.5.4.1 Date: Wed, 07 Mar 2001 11:55:02 -0800 From: "Bryn Hughes" To: Subject: Re: Samba and Netatalk Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu id OAA26805 Ah, I wasn't aware of that limitation... How does the Mac itself deal with this? MacOS has no trouble assigning user/group/everyone permissions... Bryn >>> Seanano - 3/7/01 11:07 AM >>> > Here's a question... is this issue resolved if using an HFS volume to > do the file sharing? As HFS doesn't allow filenames longer than 32 > chars, users just plain wouldn't be able to create them in the first > place, correct? This also helps with some issues with Mac aliases > getting confused, etc. AFAIK. I know there are limitations to HFS > with regards to volume and file size and how efficiently the disk is > used with larger volumes, but for smaller shares this could be a > solution. IMHO, I would think the lack of file permissions with HFS wouldn't make this very useful for anything other than read only (which wouldn't have the problem anyway since nothing could be changed) or single user shares. Sean From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Wed Mar 7 15:09:06 2001 Return-Path: Received: from funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.27]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id PAA27291 for ; Wed, 7 Mar 2001 15:09:06 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id PAA04760 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Wed, 7 Mar 2001 15:08:57 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id PAA04743 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Wed, 7 Mar 2001 15:08:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from potsdam.edu (potsdam.edu [137.143.110.101]) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with SMTP id PAA04659 for ; Wed, 7 Mar 2001 15:08:54 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 27679 invoked by alias); 7 Mar 2001 20:09:07 -0000 Received: (qmail 27669 invoked by uid 0); 7 Mar 2001 20:09:06 -0000 Received: from comp10574.potsdam.edu (HELO potsdam.edu) (137.143.111.133) by potsdam.edu with SMTP; 7 Mar 2001 20:09:06 -0000 Message-ID: <3AA69600.FB6E07@potsdam.edu> Date: Wed, 07 Mar 2001 15:11:44 -0500 From: Matthew Keller X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Bryn Hughes CC: netatalk-admins@umich.edu Subject: Re: Samba and Netatalk References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Bryn Hughes wrote: > > Ah, I wasn't aware of that limitation... > > How does the Mac itself deal with this? MacOS has no trouble assigning user/group/everyone permissions... The permissions are kept in a separate DB, and looked at whenever files/folders are accessed over filesharing. -- Matthew Keller Enterprise Systems Analyst Computing & Technology Services Information Services Division State University of New York at Potsdam Website: http://mattwork.potsdam.edu/ PGP: http://mattwork.potsdam.edu/crypto/ From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Wed Mar 7 15:21:13 2001 Return-Path: Received: from kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.25]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id PAA27892 for ; Wed, 7 Mar 2001 15:21:13 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id PAA12983 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Wed, 7 Mar 2001 15:21:13 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id PAA12972 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Wed, 7 Mar 2001 15:21:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from rakete.joerdens.de ([62.104.116.200]) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id PAA12914 for ; Wed, 7 Mar 2001 15:21:10 -0500 (EST) Received: (from frank@localhost) by rakete.joerdens.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA12249; Wed, 7 Mar 2001 21:21:02 +0100 Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2001 21:21:02 +0100 From: Frank Joerdens To: Ryan McBeth Cc: netatalk-admins@umich.edu Subject: Re: Samba and Netatalk Message-ID: <20010307212102.A12210@rakete.joerdens.de> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii User-Agent: Mutt/1.1.2i In-Reply-To: ; from ryan@mobiusnm.com on Wed, Mar 07, 2001 at 07:09:11AM -0500 X-Subliminal-Message: Use Linux! Use Linux! On Wed, Mar 07, 2001 at 07:09:11AM -0500, Ryan McBeth wrote: > > Daniel, > > The two seem to co-exist together pretty well. Rich made a > few valid points with .AppleDouble files. > > However, there is one thing that you may want to bring up in > regards to Windows and Linux users. You need to let them know that > they can't create files greater than 32 characters or the Mac users > won't be a able to see them. AFAIK it's actually 27 characters?! Dunno off the top of my hat where it's documented . . . I can dig it up if it's interesting and if no one else remembers . . . Regards, Frank From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Wed Mar 7 15:31:37 2001 Return-Path: Received: from easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.26]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id PAA28354 for ; Wed, 7 Mar 2001 15:31:36 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id PAA20158 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Wed, 7 Mar 2001 15:31:36 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id PAA20142 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Wed, 7 Mar 2001 15:31:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from rakete.joerdens.de ([62.104.116.200]) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id PAA20079 for ; Wed, 7 Mar 2001 15:31:29 -0500 (EST) Received: (from frank@localhost) by rakete.joerdens.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA12286; Wed, 7 Mar 2001 21:31:26 +0100 Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2001 21:31:26 +0100 From: Frank Joerdens To: "Daniel E. Lautenschleger" Cc: Netatalk Mailing List Subject: Re: Samba and Netatalk Message-ID: <20010307213126.B12210@rakete.joerdens.de> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii User-Agent: Mutt/1.1.2i In-Reply-To: ; from dan@www.molbio.wisc.edu on Tue, Mar 06, 2001 at 03:57:00PM -0600 X-Subliminal-Message: Use Linux! Use Linux! On Tue, Mar 06, 2001 at 03:57:00PM -0600, Daniel E. Lautenschleger wrote: > Would anyone care to comment on experiences they've had sharing data out > on a volume that was accessed by Netatalk and Samba? Any glitches? No > problem, go ahead and do it, your nuts, dude..., etc... > > Thanks. I have a dream that I can take one of our NT file servers and > replace it with a Linux/Samba/Netatalk box. What a fine realization that > would be... Make sure that you're running a version of netatalk that has working codepage support (the current snapshots are broken in this regard, AFAIK) if you want your users to use German umlauts and such in their filenames. Then you need to configure both Samba and Netatalk to use the same codepage. Current versions also have a mswindows options which disallows the creation of filenames containing the characters /\:*?"<>| which the PC can't deal with (my PC actually crashes when trying to access a file containing ':' that was created on the Mac). I'm still looking for a version of Netatalk that has _both_ working codepage support and a working mswindows option . . . which would really resolve all the problems we've had. The locking issue is another matter (see below in this thread). Interestingly, we haven't come across a single incident of this being a problem in about 6 months of running Netatalk/Samba in a Network with 10 Macs and 5 PCs. Regards, Frank From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Wed Mar 7 15:35:47 2001 Return-Path: Received: from funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.27]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id PAA28735 for ; Wed, 7 Mar 2001 15:35:46 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id PAA18174 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Wed, 7 Mar 2001 15:35:39 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id PAA18152 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Wed, 7 Mar 2001 15:35:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from rakete.joerdens.de ([62.104.116.200]) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id PAA18098 for ; Wed, 7 Mar 2001 15:35:36 -0500 (EST) Received: (from frank@localhost) by rakete.joerdens.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA12301; Wed, 7 Mar 2001 21:35:17 +0100 Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2001 21:35:17 +0100 From: Frank Joerdens To: Matthew Keller Cc: "Daniel E. Lautenschleger" , Netatalk Mailing List Subject: Re: Samba and Netatalk Message-ID: <20010307213517.C12210@rakete.joerdens.de> References: <3AA57F62.C9348CF1@potsdam.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii User-Agent: Mutt/1.1.2i In-Reply-To: <3AA57F62.C9348CF1@potsdam.edu>; from kellermg@potsdam.edu on Tue, Mar 06, 2001 at 07:22:58PM -0500 X-Subliminal-Message: Use Linux! Use Linux! On Tue, Mar 06, 2001 at 07:22:58PM -0500, Matthew Keller wrote: [ . . . ] > Samba and Netatalk play completely wonderfully nice together... As long > as you don't want users from both platforms simultaneously being able to > access the same files, that is. There are severe locking issues (even > NT/2000 doesn't handle it all that great Please explain. I've kinda regretted using Netatalk/Samba because of this and troubles with the mswindwos/codepage options. If NT/2000 has trouble with locking too, that would be a relief! Regards, Frank From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Wed Mar 7 15:36:09 2001 Return-Path: Received: from funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.27]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id PAA28758 for ; Wed, 7 Mar 2001 15:36:09 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id PAA18884 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Wed, 7 Mar 2001 15:36:01 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id PAA18866 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Wed, 7 Mar 2001 15:36:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from univrel.pr.uconn.edu (univrel.pr.uconn.edu [137.99.59.30]) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id PAA18772 for ; Wed, 7 Mar 2001 15:35:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from univrel.pr.uconn.edu (root@test.pr.uconn.edu [137.99.59.90]) by univrel.pr.uconn.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id PAA14509; Wed, 7 Mar 2001 15:35:54 -0500 Sender: root@univrel.pr.uconn.edu Message-ID: <3AA69B08.49984EA2@univrel.pr.uconn.edu> Date: Wed, 07 Mar 2001 15:33:12 -0500 From: jeff X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.0-0.14mdk i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Kristin CC: netatalk-admins@umich.edu Subject: Re: atalkd problems References: <3AA09E2B.3185A950@telusplanet.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kristin wrote: > I installed and configured the Netatalk package onto a Pentium class > system running the latest stable release of Debian. When I attemp to > start the atalkd deamon I received the following error messages: > > socket: Invalid argument > socket: Invalid argument > atalkd: can't get interfaces, exiting. > > I have edited the /etc/netatalk/atalkd.conf file and have inserted > "eth1" as the interface for the atalk deamon to reside on. I can > successfully run the apdf server and the papd server with no problems at > all. How can I solve my problem? use: modprobe appletalk modprobe ipddp to install the kernel modules that support Appletalk and AppleshareIP, respectively. jeff From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Wed Mar 7 17:52:38 2001 Return-Path: Received: from kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.25]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id RAA02955 for ; Wed, 7 Mar 2001 17:52:38 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id RAA17216 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Wed, 7 Mar 2001 17:52:38 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id RAA17150 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Wed, 7 Mar 2001 17:52:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from dionysus.terrascope.com (www.terrascope.com [63.140.215.162]) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id RAA17082 for ; Wed, 7 Mar 2001 17:52:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from terrascope.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dionysus.terrascope.com (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f27Mxcb06166 for ; Wed, 7 Mar 2001 14:59:38 -0800 Sender: walt@dionysus.terrascope.com Message-ID: <3AA6BD59.36FBF0AB@terrascope.com> Date: Wed, 07 Mar 2001 14:59:37 -0800 From: Walt Reed X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.2 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: netatalk-admins@umich.edu Subject: an open question Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit hello, i'm currently running 1.5pre3 on a redhat 7.0 box. haven't been having any problems, but some of the developers i work with want to put the box into our dmz. they want to continue to use netatalk (and possibly samba, though i haven't looked into samba's encryption options) for convenience, but i've always thought it would be too much of a security problem to run it in such a way and have discouraged it. we are currently using pam for encryption of the passwords (and i believe the rest of the data is not encrypted?), and i'm also using tcp wrappers. has anyone got any experience with this sort of thing? i might add that the external packet router we use is not under my control (the isp's) and i don't think i could get them to add packet filtering for appletalk. besides, one of the developers wants to access the box in this way from home (he has a nailed ip, so i can use tcp wrappers). could i possibly run netatalk over ssh? thanks, w From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Wed Mar 7 20:45:42 2001 Return-Path: Received: from easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.26]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id UAA07038 for ; Wed, 7 Mar 2001 20:45:41 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id UAA04569 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Wed, 7 Mar 2001 20:45:41 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id UAA04561 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Wed, 7 Mar 2001 20:45:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from postal.interaccess.com (from.interaccess.com [207.208.131.20]) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id UAA04548 for ; Wed, 7 Mar 2001 20:45:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from [192.168.1.118] (a10.240.208.207.ded25.interaccess.com [207.208.240.10]) by postal.interaccess.com (8.10.2/8.10.2) with ESMTP id f281jdN11145 for ; Wed, 7 Mar 2001 19:45:40 -0600 (CST) User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Wed, 07 Mar 2001 19:44:54 -0600 Subject: Re: Samba and Netatalk From: "Bruce A. Burdick, Jr." To: Netatalk Mailing List Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20010307213126.B12210@rakete.joerdens.de> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit > Make sure that you're running a version of netatalk that has working > codepage support (the current snapshots are broken in this regard, AFAIK) > if you want your users to use German umlauts and such in their > filenames. Then you need to configure both Samba and Netatalk to use the > same codepage. Current versions also have a mswindows options which > disallows the creation of filenames containing the characters > > /\:*?"<>| > > which the PC can't deal with (my PC actually crashes when trying to > access a file containing ':' that was created on the Mac). How did you create a filename with ':' in it? For as long as I can remember, every time I type a ':' in a filename, the Finder replaces it instantly with a '-'. The Mac uses colons the same way *nix uses '/' or DOS/Windows uses '\' -- to terminate directory names in file paths. They are gracefully disallowed in filenames. -B... From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Wed Mar 7 21:11:56 2001 Return-Path: Received: from kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.25]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id VAA07468 for ; Wed, 7 Mar 2001 21:11:55 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id VAA24879 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Wed, 7 Mar 2001 21:11:55 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id VAA24853 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Wed, 7 Mar 2001 21:11:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from charlotte.newsargus.com ([216.76.60.8]) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with SMTP id VAA24808 for ; Wed, 7 Mar 2001 21:11:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from 10.0.1.4 by charlotte.newsargus.com (AppleShare IP Mail Server 6.0) id 287491 via TCP with SMTP; Wed, 07 Mar 2001 21:14:49 -0500 Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2001 21:11:24 -0500 From: David Rouse Subject: Re: Latest stable for Solaris? To: netatalk-admins@umich.edu X-Priority: 3 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20010307211130-r01010600-a4f50484@10.0.1.4> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; Charset=US-ASCII X-Mailer: Mailsmith 1.1.6 (Bluto) X-Face: LU6-lGo1o,"R4WS wrote: >I have downladed 1.5pre4 source distribution from sourceforge and had >no end of problems trying to compile it. It seems to be quite broken >on Solaris right now. I'm using netatalk-1.4b2+asun2.1.3 from ... the asun FTP site I think. It didn't give too much trouble compiling, but you might have to edit the Makefile if you don't have certain libraries or have them in odd locations. The defaults assume you have tcp_wrappers, DES and PAM support (I guess this is netatalk specific pam modules). -- drouse From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Wed Mar 7 23:52:18 2001 Return-Path: Received: from funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.27]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id XAA10851 for ; Wed, 7 Mar 2001 23:52:18 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id XAA09019 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Wed, 7 Mar 2001 23:52:11 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id XAA08992 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Wed, 7 Mar 2001 23:52:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from femail12.sdc1.sfba.home.com (femail12.sdc1.sfba.home.com [24.0.95.108]) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id XAA08858 for ; Wed, 7 Mar 2001 23:52:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from cc416540c ([65.1.153.26]) by femail12.sdc1.sfba.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.00 201-229-121) with SMTP id <20010308045212.PFSO2254.femail12.sdc1.sfba.home.com@cc416540c>; Wed, 7 Mar 2001 20:52:12 -0800 From: "Thomas Priore" To: "Marcel Lammerse" Cc: "Appletalk On Linux" Subject: RE: Help PLS, only guest can log in. Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2001 23:50:41 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 In-Reply-To: <200103070853.JAA06704@webmail1.xs4all.nl> Importance: Normal Thanks for your help, I didn't get it working, but I'm much closer. I'm getting a new error from the Mac: "Unknown user, incorrect password, or log on disabled...." there was no rand2numb.so, but randnumb.so was there. I think my problem now lies with the passwd file. I made the changes to afpd as you recommended: - -transall -uamlist uams_randnum.so,uams_guest.so,uams_clrtxt.so,uams_dhx.so -passwdfile /etc/atalk/afppasswd -setpassword -savepassword then I created the afppasswd file, and added a user with afppasswd. Some thing interesting in the messages log, atalk seems to be coming up on the loop back address 127.0.0.1 and doesn't mention the actual ip of the server. Here is the messages log: Mar 7 23:27:46 reznor atalkd[6634]: restart (1.5pre4) Mar 7 23:27:47 reznor atalkd[6634]: zip_getnetinfo for eth0 Mar 7 23:28:06 reznor last message repeated 2 times Mar 7 23:28:16 reznor atalkd[6634]: config for no router Mar 7 23:28:17 reznor atalkd[6634]: ready 0/0/0 Mar 7 23:28:17 reznor atalk: atalkd startup succeeded Mar 7 23:28:30 reznor papd[6649]: restart (1.5pre4) Mar 7 23:28:30 reznor atalk: papd startup succeeded Mar 7 23:28:30 reznor atalk: timelord startup succeeded Mar 7 23:28:30 reznor atalk: afpd startup succeeded Mar 7 23:28:36 reznor timelord[6659]: reznor:TimeLord started Mar 7 23:28:36 reznor afpd[6669]: reznor:AFPServer@* started on 65280.237:130 (1.5pre4) Mar 7 23:28:36 reznor afpd[6669]: ASIP started on 127.0.0.1:548(2) (1.5pre4) Mar 7 23:28:36 reznor afpd[6669]: uam: uams_randnum.so loaded Mar 7 23:28:36 reznor afpd[6669]: uam: uams_guest.so loaded Mar 7 23:28:36 reznor afpd[6669]: uam: uams_clrtxt.so loaded Mar 7 23:28:36 reznor afpd[6669]: uam: uams_dhx.so loaded Mar 7 23:28:36 reznor afpd[6669]: uam: "DHCAST128" available Mar 7 23:28:36 reznor afpd[6669]: uam: "Cleartxt Passwrd" available Mar 7 23:28:36 reznor afpd[6669]: uam: "No User Authent" available Mar 7 23:28:36 reznor afpd[6669]: uam: "2-Way Randnum exchange" available Mar 7 23:28:36 reznor afpd[6669]: uam: "Randnum exchange" available Mar 7 23:29:17 reznor afpd[6676]: ASIP session:548(2) from 192.168.0.2:49301(0) Mar 7 23:29:17 reznor afpd[6676]: 0.08KB read, 0.07KB written Mar 7 23:29:17 reznor afpd[6669]: server_child[1] 6676 done Mar 7 23:29:27 reznor afpd[6677]: ASIP session:548(2) from 192.168.0.2:49302(0) Mar 7 23:29:27 reznor afpd[6669]: server_child[1] 6677 done Mar 7 23:29:33 reznor afpd[6678]: ASIP session:548(2) from 192.168.0.2:49303(0) Mar 7 23:29:33 reznor afpd[6678]: 0.08KB read, 0.07KB written Mar 7 23:29:33 reznor afpd[6669]: server_child[1] 6678 done -----Original Message----- From: Marcel Lammerse [mailto:lammerse@xs4all.nl] Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2001 3:53 AM To: Thomas Priore; netatalk-admins@umich.edu Subject: Re: Help PLS, only guest can log in. Hello Thomas, it seems that I have had the exact same (first) problem. I can't explain your second problem, but here's something that might help you on your way. By the way, I have a Linux redhat 6.0 system and I'm using MacOS 9.0.4. If you want to do user-authentication, netatalk needs to support a number of authentication methods. If you follow the instructions and compile netatalk with the pam modules and the des library, you can see in /var/log/messages which authentication methods are supported. If you use the default configuration files for afpd, these methods are: cleartext password login, guest login and Diffie-Hellman/CAST-128. None of these will work, except for guest login. What will work is if you look in /etc/atalk/uams and you find a randnum or rand2num file, encrypted random numbers are supported. You will need to configure this in afpd.conf. Just add it to uamslist. It should read something (I don't have Linux handy) like this: "My volume" -transall -uamslist uams_randnum.so ... If you've done that and you fire up netatalkd again (preferrable with the supplied script), you should see an additional supported authentication mechanism (encrypted random numbers). Then what you need to do, is use the afppasswd command to create a password file and add your user to it. Something like: afppasswd -c /etc/atalk/afppasswd afppasswd -a my-user [type password twice] Then you should be able to connect to the share via your macintosh. If anyone knows a better/more efficient way, I'd love to hear it. If you need any more help, just shout. Regards, Marcel Quoting Thomas Priore : > Hi, I install netatalk 1.5pre4 on redhat linux 7.0. (actually I install a > bunch of different versions, from rpm and compiling) The problem seems to > be > that only guest can log on. From what I've read this seems to be a shadow > password problem, but I have no idea how to fix it. Can anyone help? > > I have a second problem too, which is more of a nuisance, the sever doesn't > show up in the client's chooser, the ip has to be typed in. Is there a fix > for this? > > Thanks. > > Tom > > From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Thu Mar 8 02:06:49 2001 Return-Path: Received: from easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.26]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id CAA13019 for ; Thu, 8 Mar 2001 02:06:49 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id CAA06710 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Thu, 8 Mar 2001 02:06:49 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id CAA06701 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Thu, 8 Mar 2001 02:06:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from syncopation-01.iinet.net.au (syncopation-01.iinet.net.au [203.59.24.37]) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with SMTP id CAA06672 for ; Thu, 8 Mar 2001 02:06:46 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 10998 invoked by uid 666); 8 Mar 2001 07:17:06 -0000 Received: from opera.iinet.net.au (HELO wskatinka) (203.59.24.144) by 0 with SMTP; 8 Mar 2001 07:17:06 -0000 Message-ID: <013501c0a79e$148b03a0$fe00a8c0@kat.lan> From: "Kathy Quinlan" To: Subject: netatalk Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2001 15:04:54 +0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Hi all I am running netatalk on a FreeBSD server 4.1.1 I have one mac on the network, it connects to the users home directory which has a shared directory. the Temp directory is a mount point for a windows drive. The FreeBSD server's /usr dir has 15.6Mb free The windows machine has 9Gb free from the mac I can see the windows dir (as the Temp mount point) but it shows the free space as 15.6Mb not the 9Gb. I have tried making the mount point a (Temp) a sharity-light mount, and also as a symbolic link to a root mount (the root mount again is sharity-light mounted) but it still reports the size incorrectly. if I do a df on the FreeBSD server, it shows the mount as having 9Gb free. Any ideas ???? Regards Kat. From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Thu Mar 8 03:31:43 2001 Return-Path: Received: from kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.25]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id DAA14443 for ; Thu, 8 Mar 2001 03:31:43 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id DAA13331 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Thu, 8 Mar 2001 03:31:43 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id DAA13304 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Thu, 8 Mar 2001 03:31:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp4.xs4all.nl (smtp4.xs4all.nl [194.109.6.50]) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id DAA13260 for ; Thu, 8 Mar 2001 03:31:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from xs3.xs4all.nl (lammerse@xs3.xs4all.nl [194.109.6.44]) by smtp4.xs4all.nl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA27142; Thu, 8 Mar 2001 09:31:36 +0100 (CET) Received: from localhost (lammerse@localhost) by xs3.xs4all.nl (8.9.0/8.9.0) with ESMTP id JAA09154; Thu, 8 Mar 2001 09:31:22 +0100 (CET) Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2001 09:31:22 +0100 (CET) From: Marcel Lammerse To: Thomas Priore cc: Appletalk On Linux Subject: RE: Help PLS, only guest can log in. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Ok.. Things I can think of: - netatalk is not compiled with the -DUSE_PAM option and the pam-library is not linked with the object files - the netatalk user in /etc/atalk/afppasswd exists, but pam requires that the same users also exists as a Unix user. In that case, you might need to add the user with the useradd command (on redhat at least). In my case, I had created a Unix account before I used the afppasswd command. When I typed affpasswd -c , it extracted accounts from my Unix password file and set the passwords to '***********'. I had to use the afppasswd -a command to set the password in /etc/atalk/afppasswd. The passwords for both accounts were the same in my case. Incidently, does anyone know who to 'link' these two files? I'm probably doing something wrong, but now I have to manage two account databases which is very cumbersome. You startup log messages look fine. When I get back from work I'll send you my configuration files etc. Regards, Marcel -- Marcel Lammerse "One more time?" -Michael Flatley On Wed, 7 Mar 2001, Thomas Priore wrote: > Thanks for your help, I didn't get it working, but I'm much closer. I'm > getting a new error from the Mac: > "Unknown user, incorrect password, or log on disabled...." > > there was no rand2numb.so, but randnumb.so was there. I think my problem now > lies with the passwd file. I made the changes to afpd as you recommended: > - -transall -uamlist > uams_randnum.so,uams_guest.so,uams_clrtxt.so,uams_dhx.so -passwdfile > /etc/atalk/afppasswd -setpassword -savepassword > > then I created the afppasswd file, and added a user with afppasswd. > > Some thing interesting in the messages log, atalk seems to be coming up on > the loop back address 127.0.0.1 and doesn't mention the actual ip of the > server. Here is the messages log: > > Mar 7 23:27:46 reznor atalkd[6634]: restart (1.5pre4) > Mar 7 23:27:47 reznor atalkd[6634]: zip_getnetinfo for eth0 > Mar 7 23:28:06 reznor last message repeated 2 times > Mar 7 23:28:16 reznor atalkd[6634]: config for no router > Mar 7 23:28:17 reznor atalkd[6634]: ready 0/0/0 > Mar 7 23:28:17 reznor atalk: atalkd startup succeeded > Mar 7 23:28:30 reznor papd[6649]: restart (1.5pre4) > Mar 7 23:28:30 reznor atalk: papd startup succeeded > Mar 7 23:28:30 reznor atalk: timelord startup succeeded > Mar 7 23:28:30 reznor atalk: afpd startup succeeded > Mar 7 23:28:36 reznor timelord[6659]: reznor:TimeLord started > Mar 7 23:28:36 reznor afpd[6669]: reznor:AFPServer@* started on > 65280.237:130 (1.5pre4) > Mar 7 23:28:36 reznor afpd[6669]: ASIP started on 127.0.0.1:548(2) > (1.5pre4) > Mar 7 23:28:36 reznor afpd[6669]: uam: uams_randnum.so loaded > Mar 7 23:28:36 reznor afpd[6669]: uam: uams_guest.so loaded > Mar 7 23:28:36 reznor afpd[6669]: uam: uams_clrtxt.so loaded > Mar 7 23:28:36 reznor afpd[6669]: uam: uams_dhx.so loaded > Mar 7 23:28:36 reznor afpd[6669]: uam: "DHCAST128" available > Mar 7 23:28:36 reznor afpd[6669]: uam: "Cleartxt Passwrd" available > Mar 7 23:28:36 reznor afpd[6669]: uam: "No User Authent" available > Mar 7 23:28:36 reznor afpd[6669]: uam: "2-Way Randnum exchange" available > Mar 7 23:28:36 reznor afpd[6669]: uam: "Randnum exchange" available > Mar 7 23:29:17 reznor afpd[6676]: ASIP session:548(2) from > 192.168.0.2:49301(0) > Mar 7 23:29:17 reznor afpd[6676]: 0.08KB read, 0.07KB written > Mar 7 23:29:17 reznor afpd[6669]: server_child[1] 6676 done > Mar 7 23:29:27 reznor afpd[6677]: ASIP session:548(2) from > 192.168.0.2:49302(0) > Mar 7 23:29:27 reznor afpd[6669]: server_child[1] 6677 done > Mar 7 23:29:33 reznor afpd[6678]: ASIP session:548(2) from > 192.168.0.2:49303(0) > Mar 7 23:29:33 reznor afpd[6678]: 0.08KB read, 0.07KB written > Mar 7 23:29:33 reznor afpd[6669]: server_child[1] 6678 done > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Marcel Lammerse [mailto:lammerse@xs4all.nl] > Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2001 3:53 AM > To: Thomas Priore; netatalk-admins@umich.edu > Subject: Re: Help PLS, only guest can log in. > > > Hello Thomas, > > it seems that I have had the exact same (first) problem. I can't explain > your > second problem, but here's something that might help you on your way. By the > way, I have a Linux redhat 6.0 system and I'm using MacOS 9.0.4. > > If you want to do user-authentication, netatalk needs to support a number of > authentication methods. If you follow the instructions and compile netatalk > with the pam modules and the des library, you can see in /var/log/messages > which authentication methods are supported. > > If you use the default configuration files for afpd, these methods are: > cleartext password login, guest login and Diffie-Hellman/CAST-128. None of > these will work, except for guest login. > > What will work is if you look in /etc/atalk/uams and you find a randnum or > rand2num file, encrypted random numbers are supported. You will need to > configure this in afpd.conf. Just add it to uamslist. It should read > something > (I don't have Linux handy) like this: > > "My volume" -transall -uamslist uams_randnum.so ... > > If you've done that and you fire up netatalkd again (preferrable with the > supplied script), you should see an additional supported authentication > mechanism (encrypted random numbers). > > Then what you need to do, is use the afppasswd command to create a password > file and add your user to it. Something like: > > afppasswd -c /etc/atalk/afppasswd > afppasswd -a my-user > [type password twice] > > Then you should be able to connect to the share via your macintosh. > > If anyone knows a better/more efficient way, I'd love to hear it. If you > need > any more help, just shout. > > Regards, > > Marcel > > > Quoting Thomas Priore : > > > Hi, I install netatalk 1.5pre4 on redhat linux 7.0. (actually I install a > > bunch of different versions, from rpm and compiling) The problem seems to > > be > > that only guest can log on. From what I've read this seems to be a shadow > > password problem, but I have no idea how to fix it. Can anyone help? > > > > I have a second problem too, which is more of a nuisance, the sever > doesn't > > show up in the client's chooser, the ip has to be typed in. Is there a fix > > for this? > > > > Thanks. > > > > Tom > > > > > > > From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Thu Mar 8 03:49:23 2001 Return-Path: Received: from easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.26]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id DAA14949 for ; Thu, 8 Mar 2001 03:49:23 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id DAA07548 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Thu, 8 Mar 2001 03:49:23 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id DAA07538 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Thu, 8 Mar 2001 03:49:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from tsmtp2.mail.isp ([195.235.113.141]) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id DAA07509 for ; Thu, 8 Mar 2001 03:49:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from [10.0.0.3] ([213.97.106.73]) by tsmtp2.mail.isp (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with ESMTP id G9VF1V07.WJ0; Thu, 8 Mar 2001 09:46:43 +0100 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/9.0.2509 Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2001 09:49:15 +0100 Subject: Re: netatalk From: Jason Quigley To: Kathy Quinlan , Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <013501c0a79e$148b03a0$fe00a8c0@kat.lan> Mime-version: 1.0 Sender: jason_quigley@terra.es Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Hi Kathy! You need to create an entry in AppleVolumes.default pointing directly into /temp like this: /temp "PC Drive" Netatalk is picking up the volume size from the mount point. Cheers, Jason. On 8/3/01 8:04, "Kathy Quinlan" wrote: > Hi all I am running netatalk on a FreeBSD server 4.1.1 > > I have one mac on the network, it connects to the users home directory which > has a shared directory. > > the Temp directory is a mount point for a windows drive. > > The FreeBSD server's /usr dir has 15.6Mb free > The windows machine has 9Gb free > > from the mac I can see the windows dir (as the Temp mount point) but it > shows the free space as 15.6Mb not the 9Gb. > > I have tried making the mount point a (Temp) a sharity-light mount, and also > as a symbolic link to a root mount (the root mount again is sharity-light > mounted) but it still reports the size incorrectly. > > if I do a df on the FreeBSD server, it shows the mount as having 9Gb free. > > Any ideas ???? > > > Regards > > Kat. > > From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Thu Mar 8 06:46:55 2001 Return-Path: Received: from funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.27]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id GAA17685 for ; Thu, 8 Mar 2001 06:46:55 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id GAA18217 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Thu, 8 Mar 2001 06:46:48 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id GAA18193 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Thu, 8 Mar 2001 06:46:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail2.passagen.se (mail2.passagen.se [195.163.107.11]) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id GAA18134 for ; Thu, 8 Mar 2001 06:46:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from henrik (dynamic-195-164.dialup.chalmers.se [129.16.195.164]) by mail2.passagen.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/1.22) with SMTP id for ; Thu, 8 Mar 2001 12:46:49 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: <018901c0a7bd$2eab2700$a4c31081@henrik> From: "Henrik" To: Subject: Can't compile Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2001 11:47:31 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Hello. When I try to compile netatalk-1.4b2+asun2.1.3 it ends with an error: ..........DB2INCPATH="${DB2INCPATH}" \ afpd make[4]: Entering directory `/usr/src/netatalk-1.4b2+asun2.1.3/etc/afpd' gcc -DNEED_QUOTACTL_WRAPPER -O2 -fomit-frame-pointer -fsigned-char -Wunused -Wuninitialized -I../../include -DAPPLCNAME -c -o unix.o unix.c unix.c:26: conflicting types for `quotactl' /usr/include/linux/quota.h:205: previous declaration of `quotactl' make[4]: *** [unix.o] Error 1 make[4]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/netatalk-1.4b2+asun2.1.3/etc/afpd' make[3]: *** [all] Error 2 .... I have Linux 2.4.2 I have tried the precompiled netatalk without shadow. I can't get it to work, so that is no option. Please help me. Best regards Henrik From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Thu Mar 8 08:55:34 2001 Return-Path: Received: from funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.27]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id IAA19903 for ; Thu, 8 Mar 2001 08:55:34 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id IAA13927 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Thu, 8 Mar 2001 08:55:27 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id IAA13899 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Thu, 8 Mar 2001 08:55:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from rakete.joerdens.de ([62.104.116.200]) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id IAA13676 for ; Thu, 8 Mar 2001 08:55:18 -0500 (EST) Received: (from frank@localhost) by rakete.joerdens.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA16097; Thu, 8 Mar 2001 14:55:13 +0100 Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2001 14:55:13 +0100 From: Frank Joerdens To: "Bruce A. Burdick, Jr." Cc: Netatalk Mailing List Subject: Re: Samba and Netatalk Message-ID: <20010308145513.A15988@rakete.joerdens.de> References: <20010307213126.B12210@rakete.joerdens.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii User-Agent: Mutt/1.1.2i In-Reply-To: ; from bucky@interaccess.com on Wed, Mar 07, 2001 at 07:44:54PM -0600 X-Subliminal-Message: Use Linux! Use Linux! On Wed, Mar 07, 2001 at 07:44:54PM -0600, Bruce A. Burdick, Jr. wrote: [ . . . ] > > which the PC can't deal with (my PC actually crashes when trying to > > access a file containing ':' that was created on the Mac). > > How did you create a filename with ':' in it? For as long as I can remember, > every time I type a ':' in a filename, the Finder replaces it instantly with > a '-'. The Mac uses colons the same way *nix uses '/' or DOS/Windows uses > '\' -- to terminate directory names in file paths. They are gracefully > disallowed in filenames. For the first few weeks of running the Netatalk/Samba combination, I didn't have the codepage support switched on (didn't know about it or couldn't get it to work, or something in between). The files that where created in those first few weeks appear with ugly things like '9:' in their names where the Mac users used umlauts. Now, with codepage support enabled, i.e. character set = iso8859-1 in /etc/smb.conf and e.g. /mnt/zeug zeug codepage=maccode.iso8859-1 in /etc/atalk/AppleVolumes.default if I create a Folder with '/' in its name on a Mac, it will show up as ':2f' on the PC. Regards, Frank From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Thu Mar 8 09:20:58 2001 Return-Path: Received: from kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.25]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id JAA20731 for ; Thu, 8 Mar 2001 09:20:57 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id JAA05008 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Thu, 8 Mar 2001 09:20:57 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id JAA04978 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Thu, 8 Mar 2001 09:20:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.hauptsache.net (www.hauptsache.net [195.88.44.25]) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id JAA04916 for ; Thu, 8 Mar 2001 09:20:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from lespaul (pD95000B2.dip.t-dialin.net [217.80.0.178]) by mail.hauptsache.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id PAA26235 for ; Thu, 8 Mar 2001 15:03:48 +0100 Message-ID: <00e301c0a7db$33a67fc0$4dc8a8c0@hauptsache.intra> From: "Nikolas Hagelstein" To: Subject: 1.5pre5 and 1.5pre4 broken.. Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2001 15:22:22 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Hi, netatalk1.5pre4 and pre5 behave very strange when trying to create a new file or overwrite an existing one ... On the clients side this results in several error messages claiming about files in use... here is the output of an ls -li on .Appledouble .... 971 -rw-rw-r-- 1 baboo users 121887 Mar 8 11:23 874048 973 ---------- 1 baboo users 589 Mar 8 14:29 874074 915 -rw-rw-r-- 1 baboo users 93891 Mar 8 11:05 874075 347 ---------- 1 baboo users 589 Mar 8 14:28 874083 863 -rw-rw-r-- 1 baboo users 49408 Mar 8 10:52 874085 874074 and 874083 are the affected files :).... Downgrading to "1.5pre3 with codepagepatch " and removing the files manually solves the problem in my case... I verified the problem in different environments.... RH7.0 and MDK7.2....e.g. BTW: strage thing in 1.5pre3 is that sometimes users are able to see the Network Trash Folder .... any Ideas, Niko From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Thu Mar 8 10:55:08 2001 Return-Path: Received: from easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.26]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id KAA23316 for ; Thu, 8 Mar 2001 10:55:08 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id KAA19064 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Thu, 8 Mar 2001 10:55:08 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id KAA18843 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Thu, 8 Mar 2001 10:52:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from rakete.joerdens.de ([62.104.116.200]) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id KAA17071 for ; Thu, 8 Mar 2001 10:50:58 -0500 (EST) Received: (from frank@localhost) by rakete.joerdens.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA16666; Thu, 8 Mar 2001 16:50:48 +0100 Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2001 16:50:48 +0100 From: Frank Joerdens To: Niall O Broin Cc: Frank Joerdens , netatalk-admins@umich.edu Subject: Re: Samba and Netatalk Message-ID: <20010308165048.A16628@rakete.joerdens.de> References: <20010307213126.B12210@rakete.joerdens.de> <20010308145513.A15988@rakete.joerdens.de> <20010308143417.B691@bagend.local> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii User-Agent: Mutt/1.1.2i In-Reply-To: <20010308143417.B691@bagend.local>; from niall@magicgoeshere.com on Thu, Mar 08, 2001 at 02:34:17PM +0000 X-Subliminal-Message: Use Linux! Use Linux! On Thu, Mar 08, 2001 at 02:34:17PM +0000, Niall O Broin wrote: [ . . . ] > > if I create a Folder with '/' in its name on a Mac, it will show up as > > ':2f' on the PC. > > On the PC which is the server, do you mean ? Because you won't see :2f in a > 'doze Explorer list - it'll mangle the filename to something with a ~ in it. No, I mean on my NT box (NT 4.0 Workstation SP 6a) I see :2f in the filename served by the Netatalk/Samba Linux PC. Trying to open a file or folder with somthing like this in it doesn't always crash my NT box; most of the time it will just say that the file does not exist. Quite often though, I get a blue screen of death, and I need to reset my NT PC (no graceful recovery possible). I haven't been able to figure out exactly under which circumstances the crash occurs but it always happens when I try to access funny folder or filenames. Regards, Frank From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Thu Mar 8 10:57:15 2001 Return-Path: Received: from kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.25]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id KAA23440 for ; Thu, 8 Mar 2001 10:57:15 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id KAA19718 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Thu, 8 Mar 2001 10:57:15 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id KAA19397 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Thu, 8 Mar 2001 10:36:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from cnp4tssm.condenast.com (cnp4tssm.condenast.com [204.252.201.5]) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id KAA19368 for ; Thu, 8 Mar 2001 10:36:04 -0500 (EST) From: Steve_Kreuzer@condenast.com Received: from Beethoven.condenast.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by cnp4tssm.condenast.com (Pro-8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id KAA16528 for ; Thu, 8 Mar 2001 10:36:02 -0500 (EST) Received: by Beethoven.condenast.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.5 (863.2 5-20-1999)) id 85256A09.0055A09D ; Thu, 8 Mar 2001 10:35:16 -0500 X-Lotus-FromDomain: CNP To: netatalk-admins@umich.edu Message-ID: <85256A09.00559EE0.00@Beethoven.condenast.com> Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2001 10:34:01 -0500 Subject: Quick Question Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline I have Red Hat 7.0 running and recently downloaded the 1.5pre4 RPM and it install without a problem, however, only guests can log in.. The FAQ states that this is because netatalk needs to be compiled with shadow support.. Is there any way I can get shadow support with the RPM? -Steve From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Thu Mar 8 11:06:14 2001 Return-Path: Received: from funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.27]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id LAA23709 for ; Thu, 8 Mar 2001 11:06:14 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id LAA29800 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Thu, 8 Mar 2001 11:06:07 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id LAA29758 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Thu, 8 Mar 2001 11:06:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.magicgoeshere.com (NW152-60.indigo.ie [194.125.152.60] (may be forged)) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id KAA16959 for ; Thu, 8 Mar 2001 10:36:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from bagend.local (b-airlock091.esatclear.ie [194.145.131.91]) by mail.magicgoeshere.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 90391FB1B; Thu, 8 Mar 2001 15:27:58 +0000 (GMT) Received: (from niall@localhost) by bagend.local (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA01026; Thu, 8 Mar 2001 14:34:17 GMT Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2001 14:34:17 +0000 From: Niall O Broin To: Frank Joerdens Cc: netatalk-admins@umich.edu Subject: Re: Samba and Netatalk Message-ID: <20010308143417.B691@bagend.local> References: <20010307213126.B12210@rakete.joerdens.de> <20010308145513.A15988@rakete.joerdens.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20010308145513.A15988@rakete.joerdens.de>; from frank@joerdens.de on Thu, Mar 08, 2001 at 02:55:13PM +0100 On Thu, Mar 08, 2001 at 02:55:13PM +0100, Frank Joerdens wrote: > On Wed, Mar 07, 2001 at 07:44:54PM -0600, Bruce A. Burdick, Jr. wrote: > [ . . . ] > > > which the PC can't deal with (my PC actually crashes when trying to > > > access a file containing ':' that was created on the Mac). > > > > How did you create a filename with ':' in it? For as long as I can remember, > > every time I type a ':' in a filename, the Finder replaces it instantly with > > a '-'. The Mac uses colons the same way *nix uses '/' or DOS/Windows uses > > '\' -- to terminate directory names in file paths. They are gracefully > > disallowed in filenames. The filename with ':' in it is simply created by creating a file on a Mac with some character which is mapped e.g. / (maps to :2f), which cannot be in a Unix filename for the reason you already mentioned i.e. it is the directory separator. > if I create a Folder with '/' in its name on a Mac, it will show up as > ':2f' on the PC. On the PC which is the server, do you mean ? Because you won't see :2f in a 'doze Explorer list - it'll mangle the filename to something with a ~ in it. Regards, Niall O Broin From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Thu Mar 8 11:15:30 2001 Return-Path: Received: from funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.27]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id LAA24045 for ; Thu, 8 Mar 2001 11:15:29 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id LAA13560 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Thu, 8 Mar 2001 11:15:23 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id LAA12834 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Thu, 8 Mar 2001 11:14:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from boson.linvision.com (boson.linvision.com [194.151.176.146]) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id KAA20597 for ; Thu, 8 Mar 2001 10:39:00 -0500 (EST) From: g.roest@linvision.com Received: from alpha01.linvision.intern (users2.linvision.com [194.151.176.145]) by boson.linvision.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA23918 for ; Thu, 8 Mar 2001 16:38:29 +0100 Subject: Re: 1.5pre5 and 1.5pre4 broken.. To: X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 5.0.6a January 17, 2001 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2001 16:38:28 +0100 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on alpha01/bvit(Release 5.0.3 (Intl)|21 March 2000) at 08/03/2001 04:38:29 PM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hi, I saw the same kind of thing with 1.5pre5, RH7 and kernel 2.4.2. People couldn't create files, with the same result as Nikolas showed. Greetings, Gerben. --- Linvision BV tel: 015-7502310 Elektronicaweg 16 d fax: 015-7502319 2628 XG Delft g.roest@linvision.com The Netherlands www.linvision.com "Nikolas Hagelstein" To: Subject: 1.5pre5 and 1.5pre4 broken.. 08-03-2001 15:22 Hi, netatalk1.5pre4 and pre5 behave very strange when trying to create a new file or overwrite an existing one ... On the clients side this results in several error messages claiming about files in use... here is the output of an ls -li on .Appledouble .... 971 -rw-rw-r-- 1 baboo users 121887 Mar 8 11:23 874048 973 ---------- 1 baboo users 589 Mar 8 14:29 874074 915 -rw-rw-r-- 1 baboo users 93891 Mar 8 11:05 874075 347 ---------- 1 baboo users 589 Mar 8 14:28 874083 863 -rw-rw-r-- 1 baboo users 49408 Mar 8 10:52 874085 874074 and 874083 are the affected files :).... Downgrading to "1.5pre3 with codepagepatch " and removing the files manually solves the problem in my case... I verified the problem in different environments.... RH7.0 and MDK7.2....e.g. BTW: strage thing in 1.5pre3 is that sometimes users are able to see the Network Trash Folder .... any Ideas, Niko From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Thu Mar 8 11:34:32 2001 Return-Path: Received: from funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.27]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id LAA24557 for ; Thu, 8 Mar 2001 11:34:32 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id LAA11405 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Thu, 8 Mar 2001 11:34:25 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id LAA11382 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Thu, 8 Mar 2001 11:34:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from univrel.pr.uconn.edu (univrel.pr.uconn.edu [137.99.59.30]) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id LAA10710 for ; Thu, 8 Mar 2001 11:34:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from univrel.pr.uconn.edu (root@test.pr.uconn.edu [137.99.59.90]) by univrel.pr.uconn.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id LAA20820; Thu, 8 Mar 2001 11:34:00 -0500 Sender: root@univrel.pr.uconn.edu Message-ID: <3AA7B3D6.898A2469@univrel.pr.uconn.edu> Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2001 11:31:18 -0500 From: jeff X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.0-0.14mdk i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Steve_Kreuzer@condenast.com CC: netatalk-admins@umich.edu Subject: Re: Quick Question References: <85256A09.00559EE0.00@Beethoven.condenast.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Steve_Kreuzer@condenast.com wrote: > I have Red Hat 7.0 running and recently downloaded the 1.5pre4 RPM and it > install without a problem, however, only guests can log in.. The FAQ states that > this is because netatalk needs to be compiled with shadow support.. Is there any > way I can get shadow support with the RPM? The problem is that 1.5pre4 had broken DHX login support. Grab the 1.5pre5 release that is on sourceforge now; it should fix that problem. jeff From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Thu Mar 8 11:39:16 2001 Return-Path: Received: from kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.25]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id LAA24658 for ; Thu, 8 Mar 2001 11:39:16 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id LAA17618 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Thu, 8 Mar 2001 11:39:16 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id LAA17595 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Thu, 8 Mar 2001 11:39:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from potsdam.edu (potsdam.edu [137.143.110.101]) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with SMTP id LAA17465 for ; Thu, 8 Mar 2001 11:39:04 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 6731 invoked by alias); 8 Mar 2001 16:39:09 -0000 Received: (qmail 6717 invoked by uid 0); 8 Mar 2001 16:39:08 -0000 Received: from comp10574.potsdam.edu (HELO potsdam.edu) (137.143.111.133) by potsdam.edu with SMTP; 8 Mar 2001 16:39:08 -0000 Message-ID: <3AA7B64C.A717E99D@potsdam.edu> Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2001 11:41:48 -0500 From: Matthew Keller X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Frank Joerdens CC: Netatalk Mailing List Subject: Re: Samba and Netatalk References: <3AA57F62.C9348CF1@potsdam.edu> <20010307213517.C12210@rakete.joerdens.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Frank Joerdens wrote: > Please explain. I've kinda regretted using Netatalk/Samba because of > this and troubles with the mswindwos/codepage options. If NT/2000 has > trouble with locking too, that would be a relief! Albeit better than the NON-EXISTANCE of shared locking between Samba/Netatalk (although the new Samba has a locking API, so theoretically any program can use its locking API to "stay safe" with Samba), NT/2k still do not lock well between the two platforms. There is no way to lock parts of a file, and write-locks don't exist, so both plats can simultaneously write to the same file and possibly corrupt it horribly. -- Matthew Keller Enterprise Systems Analyst Computing & Technology Services Information Services Division State University of New York at Potsdam Website: http://mattwork.potsdam.edu/ PGP: http://mattwork.potsdam.edu/crypto/ From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Thu Mar 8 11:39:46 2001 Return-Path: Received: from funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.27]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id LAA24692 for ; Thu, 8 Mar 2001 11:39:46 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id LAA18044 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Thu, 8 Mar 2001 11:39:39 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id LAA18030 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Thu, 8 Mar 2001 11:39:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from balzac.cybercable.fr (balzac.cybercable.fr [212.198.0.198]) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with SMTP id LAA17980 for ; Thu, 8 Mar 2001 11:39:36 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 30951110 invoked from network); 8 Mar 2001 16:34:53 -0000 Received: from d112.dhcp212-231.cybercable.fr (HELO miller) ([212.198.231.112]) (envelope-sender ) by balzac.cybercable.fr (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 8 Mar 2001 16:34:53 -0000 Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20010308173802.00ae65d0@pop.noos.fr> X-Sender: lemi@pop.noos.fr X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2001 17:38:02 +0100 To: netatalk-admins@umich.edu From: FL Subject: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" unsubscribe From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Thu Mar 8 11:41:17 2001 Return-Path: Received: from easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.26]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id LAA24755 for ; Thu, 8 Mar 2001 11:41:17 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id LAA22250 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Thu, 8 Mar 2001 11:41:17 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id LAA22242 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Thu, 8 Mar 2001 11:41:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from hobbiton.shire.net (frogmorton.shire.net [204.228.145.136]) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id LAA22232 for ; Thu, 8 Mar 2001 11:41:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from [216.64.45.172] (helo=[192.168.99.66]) by hobbiton.shire.net with esmtp (Exim 2.04 #5) id 14b3T2-000CGI-00; Thu, 8 Mar 2001 09:40:45 -0700 Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2001 11:41:11 -0500 From: "Chad Leigh, ObjectWerks, Inc." Reply-To: chad@objectwerks.com To: netatalk-admins@umich.edu cc: chad@objectwerks.com Subject: no version seems to work correctly for me on FreeBSD 4.2 Message-ID: <39470211.984051671@[192.168.99.66]> X-Mailer: Mulberry/2.1.0a2 (Mac OS X) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Hi All I have tried the following versions, and none of them seem to work correctly, all with different symptoms: 1.4b2+asun2.1.3_1 1.4.99-0.20001108 1.5pre4 1.5pre5 I was able to compile all of them (1.4b2+asun was done using the FreeBSD port, all the rest from the sourceforge source .tar.gz files) using default parameters. In all cases I am logging in as a user (not guest) and the netatalk volumes are my home directory and another volume I set up with myself as owner (user I log in as is owner). All versions use exactly the same config files and AppleVolumes files etc. (with appropriate =/: as needed) 1.4b2+asun2.1.3_1: With 1.4b2+asun it mostly works but when I try and copy files in or create new files I get the infamous "You do not have enough access privileges" error and then it works anyway, for creating a folder say. However, copying in a folder to the netatalk volume from my Macs (OS 9.0.4) it creates the folder and then says that it cannot continue because I don't have enough access privileges and offers a STOP and a CONTINUE button. Pressing continue does not continue and I get an empty folder. However, If I open up the folder on the Mac, select-all, and drag the files on top of the empty folder on the netatalk volume then it copies the files fine, as long as they are just files, but folders get created but their contents don't when dragged into the new folder. This happens both for my ~chad volume and for my other volume. If I open a file for editing using this version it is fine. The lock file gets created fine and I can edit and save etc. Here are the permissions: ~chad: megumi# ls -al total 48153 drwxr-xr-x 31 chad staff 2048 Mar 8 09:18 . drwxr-xr-x 6 root wheel 512 Jan 23 12:45 .. drwxr-xr-x 5 chad staff 512 Mar 8 09:13 .AppleDesktop drwxr-xr-x 2 chad staff 2048 Mar 8 09:03 .AppleDouble drwx------ 5 chad staff 512 Jan 23 12:44 .Trash drwxr-xr-x 3 chad staff 512 Mar 8 09:03 untitled folder other volume: megumi# ls -al total 20 drwsrws--- 13 chad staff 512 Mar 8 09:18 . drwxrwx--- 8 root wheel 512 Mar 3 19:11 .. drwsrws--- 10 chad staff 512 Mar 8 09:19 .AppleDesktop drwsrws--- 2 chad staff 512 Feb 22 14:45 .AppleDouble -rw-rw---- 1 chad staff 6148 Feb 22 14:45 :2eDS_Store drwxrwx--- 3 chad staff 512 Feb 6 21:54 :2eTrashes drwsrws--- 4 chad staff 512 Mar 3 21:03 Applications drwsrws--- 6 chad staff 512 Mar 8 09:03 Leigh America Company drwxrwx--- 4 chad staff 512 Mar 8 09:19 M.Y.O.B. Accounting Plus V8 drwsrws--- 6 chad staff 512 Mar 8 09:01 Network Trash Folder drwsrws--- 4 chad staff 512 Feb 22 14:47 Shire.Net LLC drwsrws--- 3 chad staff 512 Jan 6 18:19 TheFindByContentFolder drwsrws--- 3 chad staff 512 Jan 6 18:20 TheVolumeSettingsFolder drwxrwx--- 3 chad staff 512 Mar 8 09:14 niftytelnet-1.1-ssh-r3 Folder The ones I tried to drag in and that were created automagically are the MYOB and the niftytelnet ones. I have also tried a +t permission with the same effect. 1.4.99-0.20001108: With this one I could not get permission to log in as a user. Only guest showed up. The chooser window flashed for a fraction of a second the normal log in window for the server and then changed to only allow guest access. This was using exactly the same configuration and AppleVolumes files as above. 1.5pre4 1.5pre5 Both of these worked the same way. Again using exactly the same config files etc as above versions. Here, trying to create a file gives an error that I don't have enough permissions but it does NOT create the file, if I remember correctly. I may not remember correctly, it may create the file and behave similar to the 1.4b2_asun version. But in this version, if I try and open a file already on it for writing, it tries to create a lock file and says that it cannot create the lock file, bad permissions, and fails the open. There is a lock file left on the disk however. Any help, comments, or whatever would be greatly appreciated, since I have tried all sorts of configs, permissions, etc. and nothing seems to work. I am currently running the 1.4b2+asun version since it is closest to working. Is 1.5 any faster, btw? 1.4b2, running on a dual P2 266 with 224MB RAM and FreeBSD 4.2, with 7200rpm Quantum Atlas 2 9gig disks mirrored using CCD, seems abysmally slow using netatalk. Opening up a file and saving a record into it takes forever (5-10 seconds where a local file on my 233 imac saves instantaneously -- I would guess that netatalk volumes may be a little slower but this is 500-1000% or more slower). Thanks Chad From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Thu Mar 8 11:45:21 2001 Return-Path: Received: from funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.27]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id LAA24860 for ; Thu, 8 Mar 2001 11:45:21 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id LAA25940 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Thu, 8 Mar 2001 11:45:14 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id LAA25924 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Thu, 8 Mar 2001 11:45:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.magicgoeshere.com (NW152-60.indigo.ie [194.125.152.60] (may be forged)) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id LAA25866 for ; Thu, 8 Mar 2001 11:45:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from bagend.local (unknown [194.165.161.141]) by mail.magicgoeshere.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D4E6FB1B for ; Thu, 8 Mar 2001 16:37:00 +0000 (GMT) Received: (from niall@localhost) by bagend.local (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA01312 for netatalk-admins@umich.edu; Thu, 8 Mar 2001 15:45:28 GMT Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2001 15:45:28 +0000 From: Niall O Broin To: netatalk-admins@umich.edu Subject: Users seeing the Network Trash Folder Message-ID: <20010308154528.C1240@bagend.local> References: <00e301c0a7db$33a67fc0$4dc8a8c0@hauptsache.intra> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <00e301c0a7db$33a67fc0$4dc8a8c0@hauptsache.intra>; from hagelstein@hauptsache.net on Thu, Mar 08, 2001 at 03:22:22PM +0100 On Thu, Mar 08, 2001 at 03:22:22PM +0100, Nikolas Hagelstein wrote: > BTW: strage thing in 1.5pre3 is that sometimes users are able to see the > Network Trash Folder .... Funny that he should mention that - I've just noticed that happening recently on occasion on a 1.4b2+asun2.1.3 box - 8.6 and 9.1 clients. Regards, Niall O Broin From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Thu Mar 8 12:17:27 2001 Return-Path: Received: from funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.27]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id MAA25680 for ; Thu, 8 Mar 2001 12:17:27 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id MAA15893 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Thu, 8 Mar 2001 12:17:20 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id MAA15852 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Thu, 8 Mar 2001 12:17:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from host9.digitalpulp.com (host10.digitalpulp.com [209.176.7.10]) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id MAA15816 for ; Thu, 8 Mar 2001 12:17:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (charwell@localhost) by host9.digitalpulp.com (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f28HH7W15976; Thu, 8 Mar 2001 12:17:07 -0500 Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2001 12:17:07 -0500 (EST) From: Chris Harwell To: Matthew Keller cc: Frank Joerdens , Netatalk Mailing List Subject: Re: Samba and Netatalk In-Reply-To: <3AA7B64C.A717E99D@potsdam.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 8 Mar 2001, Matthew Keller wrote: > Frank Joerdens wrote: > > Please explain. I've kinda regretted using Netatalk/Samba because of > > this and troubles with the mswindwos/codepage options. If NT/2000 has > > trouble with locking too, that would be a relief! > > Albeit better than the NON-EXISTANCE of shared locking between > Samba/Netatalk (although the new Samba has a locking API, so > theoretically any program can use its locking API to "stay safe" with > Samba), NT/2k still do not lock well between the two platforms. There is > no way to lock parts of a file, and write-locks don't exist, so both > plats can simultaneously write to the same file and possibly corrupt it > horribly. > > cool. then do i understand correctly that we could patch netatalk to use samba's locking API thus preventing this file corruption? i'd like to lean more about this. where would i look to lean more about this? what does linux do in terms of file locking? is there a level of abstraction above specific filesystems and file sharing protocols? what are the options for getting locking to work with local access to the file system + NFS + samba + netatalk? thanks, -- chris charwell@digitalpulp.com From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Thu Mar 8 12:23:38 2001 Return-Path: Received: from kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.25]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id MAA25979 for ; Thu, 8 Mar 2001 12:23:38 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id MAA25049 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Thu, 8 Mar 2001 12:23:38 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id MAA25004 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Thu, 8 Mar 2001 12:23:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.hauptsache.net (www.hauptsache.net [195.88.44.25]) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id MAA24955 for ; Thu, 8 Mar 2001 12:23:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from lespaul (pD95000A8.dip.t-dialin.net [217.80.0.168]) by mail.hauptsache.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id SAA26913 for ; Thu, 8 Mar 2001 18:06:42 +0100 Message-ID: <00e001c0a7f4$c16bcc20$4dc8a8c0@hauptsache.intra> From: "Nikolas Hagelstein" To: References: <00e301c0a7db$33a67fc0$4dc8a8c0@hauptsache.intra> <20010308154528.C1240@bagend.local> Subject: Re: Users seeing the Network Trash Folder Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2001 18:23:38 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Hi, > Funny that he should mention that - I've just noticed that happening > recently on occasion on a 1.4b2+asun2.1.3 box - 8.6 and 9.1 clients. I wonder how netatalk hides the "Network Trash Folder" this can't IMHO not be done via unixside filepermissions...shouldn't netatalk hide it during serving the directorylisting ? bye, Niko From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Thu Mar 8 12:54:17 2001 Return-Path: Received: from funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.27]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id MAA26864 for ; Thu, 8 Mar 2001 12:54:17 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id MAA23267 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Thu, 8 Mar 2001 12:54:11 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id MAA23248 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Thu, 8 Mar 2001 12:54:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.teleologic.net (17eos170.eosinc.com [12.39.14.170]) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id MAA23209 for ; Thu, 8 Mar 2001 12:54:08 -0500 (EST) Received: by mail.teleologic.net (Postfix, from userid 1049) id 0A13E2B90E8; Thu, 08 Mar 2001 11:54:14 -0600 (CST) Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2001 11:54:13 -0600 From: Danny Sauer To: Netatalk Mailing List Subject: Re: Samba and Netatalk Message-ID: <20010308115413.F29970@teleologic.net> References: <3AA7B64C.A717E99D@potsdam.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: ; from charwell@digitalpulp.com on Thu, Mar 08, 2001 at 12:17:07PM -0500 X-Operating-System: Linux 2.2.16 i686 X-Dont-Spam-Me: I might come after you Chris wrote regarding 'Re: Samba and Netatalk' on Thu, Mar 08 at 11:31: > On Thu, 8 Mar 2001, Matthew Keller wrote: > > Frank Joerdens wrote: > > > Please explain. I've kinda regretted using Netatalk/Samba because of > > > this and troubles with the mswindwos/codepage options. If NT/2000 has > > > trouble with locking too, that would be a relief! > > > > Albeit better than the NON-EXISTANCE of shared locking between > > Samba/Netatalk (although the new Samba has a locking API, so > > theoretically any program can use its locking API to "stay safe" with > > Samba), NT/2k still do not lock well between the two platforms. There is > > no way to lock parts of a file, and write-locks don't exist, so both > > plats can simultaneously write to the same file and possibly corrupt it > > horribly. > > cool. then do i understand correctly that we could patch netatalk to use > samba's locking API thus preventing this file corruption? > > i'd like to lean more about this. where would i look to lean more about > this? > > what does linux do in terms of file locking? is there a level of > abstraction above specific filesystems and file sharing protocols? > > what are the options for getting locking to work with > local access to the file system + NFS + samba + netatalk? There was a whole thread on this a few months back (less than 6 mo ago, IIRC) which might be a good place to start looking. It sticks in my mind that there were a few people who were either working on a similar project or were willing to contribute, but that might just be wishful thinking on my part. I'll bzip2 my mbox format discussion list archive and email it to you if you can't find an archive, but it seems like the groups were on-line somewhere. I don't know where, though. I'm sure someone does... :) --Danny From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Thu Mar 8 12:55:19 2001 Return-Path: Received: from funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.27]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id MAA26903 for ; Thu, 8 Mar 2001 12:55:19 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id MAA25006 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Thu, 8 Mar 2001 12:55:12 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id MAA24980 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Thu, 8 Mar 2001 12:55:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from sm10.texas.rr.com (sm10.texas.rr.com [24.93.35.222]) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id MAA24926 for ; Thu, 8 Mar 2001 12:55:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from [10.1.0.4] (cs2872-148.austin.rr.com [24.28.72.148]) by sm10.texas.rr.com (8.11.0/8.11.1) with ESMTP id f28HkDq04606; Thu, 8 Mar 2001 11:46:13 -0600 User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2001 11:55:32 -0600 Subject: OFF: don't bother reading this From: JollyRoger To: Applecript-Users , AppleScript-Implementors , FB3Beta , IPNetRouter , Ircle-Scripting , Ircle-Talk , MacPascal , Netatalk-Admins Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Reply-To: jollyroger@boxpo.com Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit I warned you...you are wasting your time. I'm just trying to see if this message gets through... From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Thu Mar 8 14:16:18 2001 Return-Path: Received: from funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.27]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id OAA28761 for ; Thu, 8 Mar 2001 14:16:18 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id OAA15044 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Thu, 8 Mar 2001 14:15:54 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id OAA15014 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Thu, 8 Mar 2001 14:15:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from potsdam.edu (potsdam.edu [137.143.110.101]) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with SMTP id OAA12476 for ; Thu, 8 Mar 2001 14:15:50 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 3862 invoked by alias); 8 Mar 2001 19:14:32 -0000 Received: (qmail 3847 invoked by uid 0); 8 Mar 2001 19:14:32 -0000 Received: from comp10574.potsdam.edu (HELO potsdam.edu) (137.143.111.133) by potsdam.edu with SMTP; 8 Mar 2001 19:14:32 -0000 Message-ID: <3AA7DAB8.2252F10D@potsdam.edu> Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2001 14:17:12 -0500 From: Matthew Keller X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Chris Harwell CC: Netatalk Mailing List Subject: Re: Samba and Netatalk References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Chris Harwell wrote: > cool. then do i understand correctly that we could patch netatalk to use > samba's locking API thus preventing this file corruption? The new Samba 2.2 locking API is provided via a separate library, that will allow for other server-type applications to, in effect "share" locks, or at least honor each other's locks. Unfortunately, because of what a Windows client EXPECTS when it opens a file on a server as opposed to what a Mac EXPECTS when it opens a file on a server, this may not prevent ANYTHING bad from happening. Macs are very sensitive to "permission" changes after a file is opened - If when the file was opened the Mac was given write permission, it expects the ability to write to the file at any time until IT closes the file - This is a bad assumption (just one of many), and will most probably collide with ANY collaborative locking mechanism/API. -- Matthew Keller Enterprise Systems Analyst Computing & Technology Services Information Services Division State University of New York at Potsdam Website: http://mattwork.potsdam.edu/ PGP: http://mattwork.potsdam.edu/crypto/ From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Thu Mar 8 14:33:00 2001 Return-Path: Received: from funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.27]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id OAA29202 for ; Thu, 8 Mar 2001 14:32:59 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id OAA13792 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Thu, 8 Mar 2001 14:32:52 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id OAA13755 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Thu, 8 Mar 2001 14:32:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from gekko.i-clue.de (server.ms-agentur.de [62.153.134.194]) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id OAA13691 for ; Thu, 8 Mar 2001 14:32:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from i-clue.de (automatix.i-clue.de [192.168.0.112]) by gekko.i-clue.de (8.9.3/8.9.3/SuSE Linux 8.9.3-0.1) with ESMTP id VAA29680; Thu, 8 Mar 2001 21:39:21 +0100 Message-ID: <3AA7DEB5.CB69DA51@i-clue.de> Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2001 20:34:13 +0100 From: Christoph Sold Reply-To: so@server.i-clue.de X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [de] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: de MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Nikolas Hagelstein CC: netatalk-admins@umich.edu Subject: Re: Users seeing the Network Trash Folder References: <00e301c0a7db$33a67fc0$4dc8a8c0@hauptsache.intra> <20010308154528.C1240@bagend.local> <00e001c0a7f4$c16bcc20$4dc8a8c0@hauptsache.intra> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Nikolas Hagelstein schrieb: > > Hi, > > > Funny that he should mention that - I've just noticed that happening > > recently on occasion on a 1.4b2+asun2.1.3 box - 8.6 and 9.1 clients. > > I wonder how netatalk hides the "Network Trash Folder" this can't IMHO not > be done > via unixside filepermissions...shouldn't netatalk hide it during serving the > directorylisting ? No, the clients hide the network trash folders if the permissions are set up the right way. (In fact, the client shows the content of the network trash folder as content of its own trashcan). Should happen automatically, anyway. HTH -Christoph Sold From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Thu Mar 8 14:40:41 2001 Return-Path: Received: from funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.27]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id OAA29367 for ; Thu, 8 Mar 2001 14:40:40 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id OAA27064 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Thu, 8 Mar 2001 14:40:34 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id OAA27036 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Thu, 8 Mar 2001 14:40:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.dvusd.org ([170.177.2.3]) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with SMTP id OAA26801 for ; Thu, 8 Mar 2001 14:40:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from GWPrimary-Message_Server by mail.dvusd.org with Novell_GroupWise; Thu, 08 Mar 2001 12:40:31 -0700 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 5.5.4.1 Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2001 12:40:19 -0700 From: "Jason Davis" To: Subject: Re: Users seeing the Network Trash Folder Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu id OAA29367 I had this problem, I just logged in as the owner and used RedEdit to make the folder invisible. >>> Christoph Sold - 3/8/2001 12:34 PM >>> Nikolas Hagelstein schrieb: > > Hi, > > > Funny that he should mention that - I've just noticed that happening > > recently on occasion on a 1.4b2+asun2.1.3 box - 8.6 and 9.1 clients. > > I wonder how netatalk hides the "Network Trash Folder" this can't IMHO not > be done > via unixside filepermissions...shouldn't netatalk hide it during serving the > directorylisting ? No, the clients hide the network trash folders if the permissions are set up the right way. (In fact, the client shows the content of the network trash folder as content of its own trashcan). Should happen automatically, anyway. HTH -Christoph Sold From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Thu Mar 8 15:34:30 2001 Return-Path: Received: from funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.27]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id PAA00944 for ; Thu, 8 Mar 2001 15:34:29 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id PAA28122 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Thu, 8 Mar 2001 15:34:23 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id PAA28088 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Thu, 8 Mar 2001 15:34:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from dante.kinkaid.org (dante.kinkaid.org [207.80.142.250]) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id PAA28038 for ; Thu, 8 Mar 2001 15:34:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from [172.16.70.70] (cmorillo.kinkaid.org [172.16.70.70]) by dante.kinkaid.org (8.10.2/8.10.2) with ESMTP id f28KYH703886; Thu, 8 Mar 2001 14:34:20 -0600 User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.01 (1630) Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2001 14:34:17 -0600 Subject: Re: Quick Question From: C To: , Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <85256A09.00559EE0.00@Beethoven.condenast.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit on 3/8/01 9:34 AM, Steve_Kreuzer@condenast.com at Steve_Kreuzer@condenast.com wrote: > > > I have Red Hat 7.0 running and recently downloaded the 1.5pre4 RPM and it > install without a problem, however, only guests can log in.. The FAQ states > that > this is because netatalk needs to be compiled with shadow support.. Is there > any > way I can get shadow support with the RPM? > > -Steve > > Probably not. But don't let that discourage you from downloading the *source* RPM and recompiling it yourself. The INSTALL document gives plenty of instruction on how to compile, and the "configure" script should do a decent job of setting all the compile variables for you - including the PAM and shadow support. http://ftp1.sourceforge.net/netatalk/netatalk-1.5pre5-1.src.rpm -- C. From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Thu Mar 8 15:51:41 2001 Return-Path: Received: from funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.27]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id PAA01377 for ; Thu, 8 Mar 2001 15:51:41 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id PAA26343 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Thu, 8 Mar 2001 15:51:34 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id PAA26334 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Thu, 8 Mar 2001 15:51:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from plato.arts.usyd.edu.au (plato.arts.usyd.edu.au [129.78.16.1]) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id PAA26227 for ; Thu, 8 Mar 2001 15:51:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from arts.usyd.edu.au (IDENT:matthew@holly.aitch.ucc.usyd.edu.au [129.78.226.234]) by plato.arts.usyd.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA13697; Fri, 9 Mar 2001 07:51:25 +1100 (EST) Sender: matthew@plato.arts.usyd.edu.au Message-ID: <3AA7F152.1B289C0E@arts.usyd.edu.au> Date: Fri, 09 Mar 2001 07:53:38 +1100 From: Matthew Geier Organization: Arts IT Unit, Sydney University X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.2-XFS i686) X-Accept-Language: en, pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Steve_Kreuzer@condenast.com CC: netatalk-admins@umich.edu Subject: Re: Quick Question References: <85256A09.00559EE0.00@Beethoven.condenast.com> Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/x-pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha1; boundary="------------ms3DF9B01EC755FEB0C287D6ED" This is a cryptographically signed message in MIME format. --------------ms3DF9B01EC755FEB0C287D6ED Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Steve_Kreuzer@condenast.com wrote: > > I have Red Hat 7.0 running and recently downloaded the 1.5pre4 RPM and it > install without a problem, however, only guests can log in.. The FAQ states that > this is because netatalk needs to be compiled with shadow support.. Is there any > way I can get shadow support with the RPM? > Do NOT compile in shadow support for RedHat 7. It will not work, as /etc/shadow has MD5 password hashes instead of the traditional 'crypt' hash. NetAtalk needs to use PAM on a RedHat box (and any other PAM enabled distribution). More likely you have a NetAtalk UAM or PAM config problem. I have found with RH7 that the users Unix passwords HAVE to be less than 8 characters, the standard Appleshare pasword lenght. The MD5 password hash is signficant to ALL characters of a password unlike the old crypt system that ignored any thing after 8 characters. So users with longer passwords can't login as they can't type it all in. 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> > You need to create an entry in AppleVolumes.default pointing directly into > /temp like this: > > /temp "PC Drive" > > Netatalk is picking up the volume size from the mount point. > > Cheers, > Jason. > > On 8/3/01 8:04, "Kathy Quinlan" wrote: > > > Hi all I am running netatalk on a FreeBSD server 4.1.1 > > > > I have one mac on the network, it connects to the users home directory which > > has a shared directory. > > > > the Temp directory is a mount point for a windows drive. > > > > The FreeBSD server's /usr dir has 15.6Mb free > > The windows machine has 9Gb free > > > > from the mac I can see the windows dir (as the Temp mount point) but it > > shows the free space as 15.6Mb not the 9Gb. > > > > I have tried making the mount point a (Temp) a sharity-light mount, and also > > as a symbolic link to a root mount (the root mount again is sharity-light > > mounted) but it still reports the size incorrectly. > > > > if I do a df on the FreeBSD server, it shows the mount as having 9Gb free. > > > > Any ideas ???? > > > > > > Regards > > > > Kat. > > > > > From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Thu Mar 8 16:27:28 2001 Return-Path: Received: from easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.26]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id QAA02612 for ; Thu, 8 Mar 2001 16:27:28 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id QAA12485 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Thu, 8 Mar 2001 16:27:28 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id QAA12460 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Thu, 8 Mar 2001 16:27:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from www.molbio.wisc.edu (www.molbio.wisc.edu [144.92.19.124]) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with SMTP id QAA12404 for ; Thu, 8 Mar 2001 16:27:26 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 15218 invoked by uid 500); 8 Mar 2001 21:27:18 -0000 Received: from localhost (sendmail-bs@127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 8 Mar 2001 21:27:18 -0000 Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2001 15:27:18 -0600 (CST) From: "Daniel E. Lautenschleger" To: Netatalk Mailing List Subject: Pre5 and RH 7 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I just installed the RPM Pre5 on my RH 7 box and specifying only DHX in the netatalk.conf file does not allow me to copy files properly. It claims there is a permission problem. I believe this bug was present in Pre 4 as well. Logs: Mar 8 15:24:17 itchy afpd[2591]: ASIP session:548(1) from 144.92.19.76:49272(2) Mar 8 15:24:17 itchy afpd[2591]: dhx login: usrdel Mar 8 15:24:17 itchy afpd[2591]: uams_dhx_pam.c :PAM: PAM Success -- Function not implemented Mar 8 15:24:17 itchy PAM_pwdb[2591]: (netatalk) session opened for user usrdel by (uid=0) Mar 8 15:24:17 itchy afpd[2591]: uams_dhx_pam.c :PAM: PAM Auth OK!: (null) -- Inappropriate ioctl for device Mar 8 15:24:17 itchy afpd[2591]: login usrdel (uid 500, gid 500) Mar 8 15:24:19 itchy afpd[2591]: setdirowner: chown -1/0 .AppleDouble/.Parent: Operation not permitted What's line 5 all about!? ioctl... Anyone else experiencing this? -Dan From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Thu Mar 8 17:02:24 2001 Return-Path: Received: from funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.27]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id RAA03409 for ; Thu, 8 Mar 2001 17:02:24 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id RAA25177 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Thu, 8 Mar 2001 17:02:17 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id RAA25161 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Thu, 8 Mar 2001 17:02:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from boson.linvision.com (boson.linvision.com [194.151.176.146]) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id RAA25097 for ; Thu, 8 Mar 2001 17:02:14 -0500 (EST) From: g.roest@linvision.com Received: from alpha01.linvision.intern (users2.linvision.com [194.151.176.145]) by boson.linvision.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA24057; Thu, 8 Mar 2001 23:02:18 +0100 Subject: Re: Pre5 and RH 7 To: "Daniel E. Lautenschleger" Cc: Netatalk Mailing List X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 5.0.6a January 17, 2001 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2001 23:02:07 +0100 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on alpha01/bvit(Release 5.0.3 (Intl)|21 March 2000) at 08/03/2001 11:02:17 PM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hi, I too experienced this line with RH7 (2.4.2) and Pre4: In my Appleshare.system I have the line: /home/data "Data schijf" In my apfd.conf I have the line: "Data schijf" -transall -uamlist uams_guest.so,uams_clrtxt.so,uams_dhx.so -loginmesg "Welkom op de ZoW Data schijf." When I didn't have the "uams_clrtxt.so,uams_dhx.so" in the apfd.conf I got messages like: Mar 8 10:50:08 dakota afpd[10473]: session from 65280.128:245 on 65280.148:131 Mar 8 10:50:08 dakota afpd[10473]: cleartext login: gerard Mar 8 10:50:08 dakota PAM_pwdb[10473]: (netatalk) session opened for user gerard by (uid=0) Mar 8 10:50:08 dakota afpd[10473]: login gerard (uid 503, gid 100) Mar 8 10:51:06 dakota afpd[10473]: setdirowner: chown 16777216/-1 .AppleDouble/.Parent: Operation not permitted Mar 8 10:51:06 dakota afpd[10473]: setdirowner: chown 16777216/-1 .AppleDouble: Operation not permitted Mar 8 10:51:06 dakota afpd[10473]: setdirowner: chown 16777216/-1 .: Operation not permitted Mar 8 10:51:06 dakota afpd[10473]: setdirowner: chown -1/0 .AppleDouble/.Parent: Operation not permitted Mar 8 10:51:06 dakota afpd[10473]: setdirowner: chown 16777216/-1 .AppleDouble/.Parent: Operation not permitted Mar 8 10:51:06 dakota afpd[10473]: setdirowner: chown 16777216/-1 .AppleDouble: Operation not permitted Mar 8 10:51:06 dakota afpd[10473]: setdirowner: chown 16777216/-1 .: Operation not permitted Mar 8 10:51:06 dakota afpd[10473]: setdirowner: chown -1/0 .AppleDouble/.Parent: Operation not permitted Mar 8 10:55:00 dakota CROND[10477]: (root) CMD (/etc/ppp/ipadresupload) Mar 8 10:58:29 dakota PAM_pwdb[10473]: (netatalk) session closed for user gerard Mar 8 10:58:29 dakota afpd[10473]: 2.78KB read, 5.18KB written Mar 8 10:58:29 dakota afpd[10473]: done Mar 8 10:58:29 dakota afpd[10429]: server_child[0] 10473 done I'm not sure, (I'm just a starting netatalk user) but does this not look like gerard could login? Anyway, after logging in he tried to put a file in the share, and then the messages of "Operation not permitted" came. After I put the "uams_clrtxt.so,uams_dhx.so" in the apfd.conf and 'pwunconv"-ing the passwd file I only got messages like: Mar 8 14:18:18 dakota afpd[12249]: session from 65280.128:245 on 65280.148:131 Mar 8 14:18:18 dakota afpd[12249]: cleartext login: gerard Mar 8 14:18:18 dakota PAM_pwdb[12249]: (netatalk) session opened for user gerard by (uid=0) Mar 8 14:18:18 dakota afpd[12249]: login gerard (uid 503, gid 100) Mar 8 14:18:49 dakota PAM_pwdb[12249]: (netatalk) session closed for user gerard Mar 8 14:18:49 dakota afpd[12249]: 2.36KB read, 5.18KB written Mar 8 14:18:49 dakota afpd[12249]: done Mar 8 14:18:49 dakota afpd[10429]: server_child[0] 12249 done During this log he tried to put a file in the share, but the end result was the same: it was not possible to do so. The file appeared to be there but its size was 0, just like previous example. greetings, Gerben Roest. --- Linvision BV tel: 015-7502310 Elektronicaweg 16 d fax: 015-7502319 2628 XG Delft g.roest@linvision.com The Netherlands www.linvision.com "Daniel E. Lautenschleger" To: Netatalk Mailing List Subject: Pre5 and RH 7 08-03-2001 22:27 I just installed the RPM Pre5 on my RH 7 box and specifying only DHX in the netatalk.conf file does not allow me to copy files properly. It claims there is a permission problem. I believe this bug was present in Pre 4 as well. Logs: Mar 8 15:24:17 itchy afpd[2591]: ASIP session:548(1) from 144.92.19.76:49272(2) Mar 8 15:24:17 itchy afpd[2591]: dhx login: usrdel Mar 8 15:24:17 itchy afpd[2591]: uams_dhx_pam.c :PAM: PAM Success -- Function not implemented Mar 8 15:24:17 itchy PAM_pwdb[2591]: (netatalk) session opened for user usrdel by (uid=0) Mar 8 15:24:17 itchy afpd[2591]: uams_dhx_pam.c :PAM: PAM Auth OK!: (null) -- Inappropriate ioctl for device Mar 8 15:24:17 itchy afpd[2591]: login usrdel (uid 500, gid 500) Mar 8 15:24:19 itchy afpd[2591]: setdirowner: chown -1/0 .AppleDouble/.Parent: Operation not permitted What's line 5 all about!? ioctl... Anyone else experiencing this? -Dan From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Thu Mar 8 17:39:26 2001 Return-Path: Received: from easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.26]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id RAA04338 for ; Thu, 8 Mar 2001 17:39:26 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id RAA01340 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Thu, 8 Mar 2001 17:39:26 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id RAA01334 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Thu, 8 Mar 2001 17:39:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from runner.ucdavis.edu (runner.ucdavis.edu [169.237.105.37]) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id RAA01297 for ; Thu, 8 Mar 2001 17:39:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (itlm019@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by runner.ucdavis.edu (8.11.1/8.11.0/IT4.4.8) with ESMTP id f28MdOV16976; Thu, 8 Mar 2001 14:39:24 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2001 14:39:24 -0800 (PST) From: Marc Miller X-Sender: itlm019@runner.ucdavis.edu To: "Daniel E. Lautenschleger" cc: Netatalk Mailing List Subject: Re: Pre5 and RH 7 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I've been helping a fellow developer with adding better logging to the PAMs and it looks like this is a case of "overlogging." I suggested that he put a %m in his syslog statements. That puts the last system message in the log. I think it was simply unnecessary this time. Clearly that login was a success. PAM usually goes through a series of things to determine if someone is authorized to log in. Perhaps one authentication method failed and that's what the ioctl message is all about. As for your permissions problem,... I'm not sure. If you have write and execute permission set on both the directory and its .AppleDouble subdirectory, it should have no trouble with moving the file. .Parent usually contains resource information for the directory itself (can't remember if the directory icon is part of that or not). On Thu, 8 Mar 2001, Daniel E. Lautenschleger wrote: > I just installed the RPM Pre5 on my RH 7 box and specifying only DHX in > the netatalk.conf file does not allow me to copy files properly. It claims > there is a permission problem. I believe this bug was present in Pre 4 as > well. > > Logs: > > Mar 8 15:24:17 itchy afpd[2591]: ASIP session:548(1) from 144.92.19.76:49272(2) > Mar 8 15:24:17 itchy afpd[2591]: dhx login: usrdel > Mar 8 15:24:17 itchy afpd[2591]: uams_dhx_pam.c :PAM: PAM Success -- Function not implemented > Mar 8 15:24:17 itchy PAM_pwdb[2591]: (netatalk) session opened for user usrdel by (uid=0) > Mar 8 15:24:17 itchy afpd[2591]: uams_dhx_pam.c :PAM: PAM Auth OK!: (null) -- Inappropriate ioctl for device > Mar 8 15:24:17 itchy afpd[2591]: login usrdel (uid 500, gid 500) > Mar 8 15:24:19 itchy afpd[2591]: setdirowner: chown -1/0 .AppleDouble/.Parent: Operation not permitted > > > > What's line 5 all about!? ioctl... > > Anyone else experiencing this? > > -Dan > ============================================================ /\/\arc ._|. /\/\iller (itlm019@mailbox.ucdavis.edu) Computer Room Consultant Information Technology/Lab Management ============================================================ I can be contacted through the Communication Center link from http://www.mother.com/~mjmiller/ From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Thu Mar 8 19:09:01 2001 Return-Path: Received: from easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.26]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id TAA06120 for ; Thu, 8 Mar 2001 19:09:00 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id TAA19054 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Thu, 8 Mar 2001 19:09:00 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id TAA19044 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Thu, 8 Mar 2001 19:09:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail2.passagen.se (mail2.passagen.se [195.163.107.11]) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id TAA19027 for ; Thu, 8 Mar 2001 19:08:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from henrik (dynamic-195-4.dialup.chalmers.se [129.16.195.4]) by mail2.passagen.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/1.22) with SMTP id for ; Fri, 9 Mar 2001 01:08:55 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: <000e01c0a824$da33f0e0$04c31081@henrik> From: "Henrik" To: Subject: No write access Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2001 00:09:37 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000B_01C0A82D.3A5DE2C0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000B_01C0A82D.3A5DE2C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi. 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------=_NextPart_000_000B_01C0A82D.3A5DE2C0-- From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Fri Mar 9 02:12:14 2001 Return-Path: Received: from kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.25]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id CAA14280 for ; Fri, 9 Mar 2001 02:12:14 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id CAA23951 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Fri, 9 Mar 2001 02:12:14 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id CAA23923 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Fri, 9 Mar 2001 02:12:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from c017.sfo.cp.net (c017-h020.c017.sfo.cp.net [209.228.12.234]) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with SMTP id CAA23660 for ; Fri, 9 Mar 2001 02:12:07 -0500 (EST) Received: (cpmta 4872 invoked from network); 8 Mar 2001 23:12:06 -0800 Received: from www.waaaow.com (HELO ?192.168.0.52?) (207.171.221.217) by smtp.terrascope.com (209.228.12.234) with SMTP; 8 Mar 2001 23:12:06 -0800 X-Sent: 9 Mar 2001 07:12:06 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3AA86308.524708D7@mac.com> References: <3AA1D02E.C653D0E0@mac.com> <3AA4730A.4D987323@mac.com> <3AA86308.524708D7@mac.com> Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2001 23:14:37 -0800 To: brian lynch From: Walt Reed Subject: Re: with red hat 7 Cc: netatalk-admins@umich.edu Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" >do you have any idea where i may be able to down load appletalk to load into >my kernel? if you follow the guides for compiling your kernel you will find it in the source. i recommend using the xconfig option, as it's the easiest, probably because it's graphical. if you want to try and load it as a module into your existing kernel (which is what i think you are really asking) from the prompt, give an su command and cd to /. find -name appletalk.o. read the man page for insmod and write an appropriate command in your rc scripts (/etc/rc.d/init.d/atalk, in this case). your line may look something like this: /sbin/insmod /wherever/appletalk.o/lives/appletalk.o and you would want to insert it before any real work gets done. when i installed a new version of netatalk on redhat 7.0, i did not have to do this, & don't know why. i just did it because i knew i was going to compile 2.4.2, but it worked with the kernel that came with it which i _don't_ believe had appletalk compiled into it (but i never checked). you might try this last. >AppleVolumes.system - does that point the mac to a directory when it logs in. >i was kind of lost as to what the .system and .volumes were. AV.system is used primarily for translation. use AV.default for your shares. i have a couple of different netatalk servers, so after the ~ i usually add the name of the machine and a home designation, such as: ~ foo_home on one machine and: ~ bar_home on another. so that people don't get confused in the chooser. i also name the shares differently such as: /var/www/html foo_apache or /some_directory_i'd_like_to_share /bar_share >and anders really >didn't tell me how to set afpd.conf and atalk.conf. ah, but did you read the files themselves? they give pretty good documentation. in afpd i always bind the host to the ip i want, like foo -address 192.168.1.1 but you really don't have to do anything in the file. it's just a habit from using a dual-homed host. in atalkd.conf, you just have to insert the name of the interface. on redhat 7.0 (or any other version of redhat) you would simply place an "eth0" at the end of the file. netatalk will do the rest. reading these files will give you an idea of what's available and let you test out options you might like. the only one i'd stay away from is the noadouble option. it does some wierd shit on your shares. have fun, w From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Fri Mar 9 07:32:12 2001 Return-Path: Received: from kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.25]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id HAA20467 for ; Fri, 9 Mar 2001 07:32:12 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id HAA17209 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Fri, 9 Mar 2001 07:32:12 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id HAA17188 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Fri, 9 Mar 2001 07:32:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail2.passagen.se (mail2.passagen.se [195.163.107.11]) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id HAA17110 for ; Fri, 9 Mar 2001 07:32:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from henrik (dynamic-195-104.dialup.chalmers.se [129.16.195.104]) by mail2.passagen.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/1.22) with SMTP id for ; Fri, 9 Mar 2001 13:32:06 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: <000c01c0a88c$ac810bc0$68c31081@henrik> From: "Henrik" To: References: Subject: Re: No write access Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2001 12:32:48 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 I am the owner of the folder. >From the Mac I can create subfolders but I can't copy files to my linux-box. The mac complains about that the file is locked and when I try do delete a file I get the message that I don't have write access. Is there any settings to be done on my Linux-box and/or for netatalk. Is there anything I must do on my Mac to be able to write to my Linux-box. I can tell that reading files works fine. Please help. //Henrik >who is the owner of the Parent Directory you are placing the folder in. It has to be you. >Group I believe must also match a group you belong to. >Heath Henderson -----Original Message----- Hi. When I try to put files in my shared linux folder from the Mac it tells me that I don't have write access. How do I get it? The folder has the mode 777 so I thought that I would have the right to write to it. Please help. Thanks Henrik From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Fri Mar 9 08:05:50 2001 Return-Path: Received: from easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.26]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id IAA21046 for ; Fri, 9 Mar 2001 08:05:50 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id IAA20012 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Fri, 9 Mar 2001 08:05:50 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id IAA19991 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Fri, 9 Mar 2001 08:05:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from tsmtp5.mail.isp ([195.235.113.141]) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id IAA19957 for ; Fri, 9 Mar 2001 08:05:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from [10.0.0.3] ([213.97.106.73]) by tsmtp5.mail.isp (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with ESMTP id G9XLLA02.JK7; Fri, 9 Mar 2001 14:03:10 +0100 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/9.0.2509 Date: Fri, 09 Mar 2001 14:05:44 +0100 Subject: Re: No write access From: Jason Quigley To: Henrik , Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <000c01c0a88c$ac810bc0$68c31081@henrik> Mime-version: 1.0 Sender: jason_quigley@terra.es Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Hi! Try sending us a small portion of the directory listing from the Linux machine. Also, telling us what version of server software you're using would help. Cheers, Jason. On 9/3/01 12:32, "Henrik" wrote: > I am the owner of the folder. > From the Mac I can create subfolders but I can't copy files to my linux-box. > The mac complains about that the file is locked and when I try do delete a > file I get the message that I don't have write access. > Is there any settings to be done on my Linux-box and/or for netatalk. Is > there anything I must do on my Mac to be able to write to my Linux-box. I > can tell that reading files works fine. > Please help. > //Henrik > >> who is the owner of the Parent Directory you are placing the folder in. It > has to be you. >Group I believe must also match a group you belong to. >> Heath Henderson > > -----Original Message----- > Hi. > > When I try to put files in my shared linux folder from the Mac it tells me > that I don't have write access. How do I get it? The folder has the mode 777 > so I thought that I would have the right to write to it. > Please help. > > Thanks > Henrik > From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Fri Mar 9 08:53:01 2001 Return-Path: Received: from easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.26]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id IAA22264 for ; Fri, 9 Mar 2001 08:53:01 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id IAA19304 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Fri, 9 Mar 2001 08:53:01 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id IAA19281 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Fri, 9 Mar 2001 08:53:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from sungod.ccs.yorku.ca (sungod.ccs.yorku.ca [130.63.236.104]) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id IAA19242 for ; Fri, 9 Mar 2001 08:52:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from sunlight.ccs.yorku.ca (sunlight.ccs.yorku.ca [130.63.236.85]) by sungod.ccs.yorku.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA07793 for ; Fri, 9 Mar 2001 08:52:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (rickg@localhost) by sunlight.ccs.yorku.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA28966 for ; Fri, 9 Mar 2001 08:52:57 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: sunlight.ccs.yorku.ca: rickg owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2001 08:52:57 -0500 (EST) From: Richard Goldberg X-X-Sender: To: Subject: Postscript errors fro atalk Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hi all, Running netatalk on a solaris 7 macine with a lexmark C710 colour laser printer. Quite a few print jobs with colour images fail and give a postscript error of: ERROR: typecheck OFFENDING COMMAND: colorimage ... If I enable appletalk on the printer and print directly to it, the job prints fine. Now to complicate things further... If I select the atalk printer and select print to file. And then print the resulting postscript file from the unix command line, it works fine. But if I configure an atalk printer that just writes the job to a file (does not print it): Test Printer:\ :pr=|cat > /tmp/print:\ :op=lp:\ :pd=/etc/atalk/ppd/lexmark_optrac710.ppd: and print the resulting file from the unix command line, I get the same postscript error as above. I found some web pages that say this error could be cases by sending a postscript level 2 file to a level 1 printer. But the C710 is a level 3 printer, so there should be no problem. So my first question would be, does anyone have any ideas? But failing that, could some one explain (or point me to some docs) how a print jobs gets printed over atalk vs direct to the printer? I know there is a ppd file on each mac, one on the atalk server, when does each get used, what do they do, what is different about atalk... Thanks. ***************************** ************************************** *Rick Goldberg * * * *Graduate Student * * "I never wanted to be average, * *Computer Science Dept * * because when you are average you * *York University * * are just as far from the top as * *Toronto, Canada * * you are from the bottom." * *rickg@yorku.ca * * -Stan Cottrell- * *www.cs.yorku.ca/~rickg * * * ***************************** ************************************** "If you don't invest very much, the defeat doesn't hurt, But winning isn't very exciting." From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Fri Mar 9 09:27:00 2001 Return-Path: Received: from kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.25]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id JAA22947 for ; Fri, 9 Mar 2001 09:27:00 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id JAA12983 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Fri, 9 Mar 2001 09:27:00 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id JAA12957 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Fri, 9 Mar 2001 09:26:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from www.molbio.wisc.edu (www.molbio.wisc.edu [144.92.19.124]) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with SMTP id JAA12897 for ; Fri, 9 Mar 2001 09:26:58 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 15768 invoked by uid 500); 9 Mar 2001 14:26:52 -0000 Received: from localhost (sendmail-bs@127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 9 Mar 2001 14:26:52 -0000 Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2001 08:26:52 -0600 (CST) From: "Daniel E. Lautenschleger" To: Jason Quigley cc: Henrik , Netatalk Mailing List Subject: Re: No write access In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I get the same "locking" message with RH7 and the Pre 5. -Dan On Fri, 9 Mar 2001, Jason Quigley wrote: > Hi! > > Try sending us a small portion of the directory listing from the Linux > machine. Also, telling us what version of server software you're using would > help. > > Cheers, > Jason. > > On 9/3/01 12:32, "Henrik" wrote: > > > I am the owner of the folder. > > From the Mac I can create subfolders but I can't copy files to my linux-box. > > The mac complains about that the file is locked and when I try do delete a > > file I get the message that I don't have write access. > > Is there any settings to be done on my Linux-box and/or for netatalk. Is > > there anything I must do on my Mac to be able to write to my Linux-box. I > > can tell that reading files works fine. > > Please help. > > //Henrik > > > >> who is the owner of the Parent Directory you are placing the folder in. It > > has to be you. >Group I believe must also match a group you belong to. > >> Heath Henderson > > > > -----Original Message----- > > Hi. > > > > When I try to put files in my shared linux folder from the Mac it tells me > > that I don't have write access. How do I get it? The folder has the mode 777 > > so I thought that I would have the right to write to it. > > Please help. > > > > Thanks > > Henrik > > > > -- From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Fri Mar 9 10:49:06 2001 Return-Path: Received: from funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.27]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id KAA24551 for ; Fri, 9 Mar 2001 10:49:06 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id KAA21523 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Fri, 9 Mar 2001 10:48:58 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id KAA21499 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Fri, 9 Mar 2001 10:48:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from host9.digitalpulp.com (host14.digitalpulp.com [209.176.7.14]) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id KAA21467 for ; Fri, 9 Mar 2001 10:48:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (charwell@localhost) by host9.digitalpulp.com (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f29Fmxp31719 for ; Fri, 9 Mar 2001 10:48:59 -0500 Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2001 10:48:59 -0500 (EST) From: Chris Harwell To: Subject: Re: No write access In-Reply-To: <000c01c0a88c$ac810bc0$68c31081@henrik> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Fri, 9 Mar 2001, ?Henrik? wrote: [snip] > >who is the owner of the Parent Directory you are placing the folder in. It > has to be you. >Group I believe must also match a group you belong to. > >Heath Henderson Do I understand this statement correctly, that the user must be the owner of the parent directory !? I had thought the user needed (read), write and execute permissions in the parent directory - either 1) by being the user (UID) which owns it drwx______ - or 2) in the group (GID) which own's it d___rwx___ - or 3) simply having a system account and having other's permissions being rwx d______rwx Am I missing something? To what extent is ultimate permission (for the user on the client) determined by netatalk and to what extent by the underlying file system (i.e. ext2)? What is the mapping here? thanks, -- chris charwell@digitalpulp.com From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Fri Mar 9 11:34:44 2001 Return-Path: Received: from funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.27]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id LAA25818 for ; Fri, 9 Mar 2001 11:34:44 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id LAA15535 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Fri, 9 Mar 2001 11:34:36 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id LAA15515 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Fri, 9 Mar 2001 11:34:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from host9.digitalpulp.com (host14.digitalpulp.com [209.176.7.14]) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id LAA15454 for ; Fri, 9 Mar 2001 11:34:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (charwell@localhost) by host9.digitalpulp.com (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f29GYY532530; Fri, 9 Mar 2001 11:34:34 -0500 Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2001 11:34:34 -0500 (EST) From: Chris Harwell To: Matthew Geier cc: , Subject: Re: Quick Question In-Reply-To: <3AA7F152.1B289C0E@arts.usyd.edu.au> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Fri, 9 Mar 2001, Matthew Geier wrote: > I have found with RH7 that the users Unix passwords HAVE to be less > than 8 characters, the standard Appleshare pasword lenght. The MD5 > password hash is signficant to ALL characters of a password unlike the > old crypt system that ignored any thing after 8 characters. So users > with longer passwords can't login as they can't type it all in. > > I think the problem exists with DHX as well, as something still expects > to need only 8 characters of the password... ummmmm..... having more than 8 character password for dhx login + MD5 + shadow +redhat-7.0 works for me. here is my config: netatalk-1.5pre3-1mdk Linux 2.4.0 #2 Fri Jan 19 14:36:46 EST 2001 i686 unknown redhat 7.0 + updates cat /etc/pam.d/netatalk #%PAM-1.0 auth required /lib/security/pam_pwdb.so shadow account required /lib/security/pam_pwdb.so #password required /lib/security/pam_cracklib.so #password required /lib/security/pam_pwdb.so shadow use_authtok session required /lib/security/pam_pwdb.so cat /etc/pam.d/system-auth #%PAM-1.0 # This file is auto-generated. # User changes will be destroyed the next time authconfig is run. auth sufficient /lib/security/pam_unix.so likeauth nullok md5 shadow auth required /lib/security/pam_deny.so account sufficient /lib/security/pam_unix.so account required /lib/security/pam_deny.so password required /lib/security/pam_cracklib.so retry=3 password sufficient /lib/security/pam_unix.so nullok use_authtok md5 shadow password required /lib/security/pam_deny.so session required /lib/security/pam_limits.so session required /lib/security/pam_unix.so and from /etc/atalk/afpd.conf: -uamlist uams_dhx.so which looks to /etc/atalk/uams/uams_dhx.so - actually a link: uams_dhx.so -> uams_dhx_pam.so i've made no pam changes and configured MD5 and shadow at install time (i think this could be done post-install through authconfig?) of course, i'm still sorting through other (possible netatlk related) problems - claims of dissapearing folders (which i haven't managed to verify yet) and those afpd /var/log/messages others are seeing: afpd[15313]: setdirowner: chown -1/0 .AppleDouble/.Parent: Operation not permitted afpd[18245]: setdirowner: chown 16777216/-1 .AppleDouble/.Parent: Operation not permitted afpd[18245]: setdirowner: chown 16777216/-1 .AppleDouble: Operation not permitted afpd[18245]: setdirowner: chown 16777216/-1 .: Operation not permitted afpd[18245]: setdirowner: chown -1/0 .AppleDouble/.Parent: Operat which i've been assuming just means i don't have file/dir ownerships, groups and g+s all working happily together. anyway, long passwords work fine for me - what's different? -- chris charwell@digitalpulp.com From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Fri Mar 9 23:06:27 2001 Return-Path: Received: from easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.26]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id XAA11058 for ; Fri, 9 Mar 2001 23:06:27 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id XAA24446 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Fri, 9 Mar 2001 23:06:27 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id XAA24427 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Fri, 9 Mar 2001 23:06:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from femail12.sdc1.sfba.home.com (femail12.sdc1.sfba.home.com [24.0.95.108]) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id XAA24373 for ; Fri, 9 Mar 2001 23:06:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from cc416540c ([65.1.153.26]) by femail12.sdc1.sfba.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.00 201-229-121) with SMTP id <20010310040623.LHFY2254.femail12.sdc1.sfba.home.com@cc416540c>; Fri, 9 Mar 2001 20:06:23 -0800 From: "Thomas Priore" To: "Marcel Lammerse" Cc: "Appletalk On Linux" Subject: RE: Help PLS, only guest can log in. Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2001 23:04:51 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal Thanks again for the help. i tried to create the afppasswd with -c and it created the file with the accounts, i thenk set the passwords, but I'm still recieving the same error. I think i'm going to try to recompile netatalk. do you know what options i need to include and where to put them? Thanks, Tom -----Original Message----- From: Marcel Lammerse [mailto:lammerse@xs4all.nl] Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2001 3:31 AM To: Thomas Priore Cc: Appletalk On Linux Subject: RE: Help PLS, only guest can log in. Ok.. Things I can think of: - netatalk is not compiled with the -DUSE_PAM option and the pam-library is not linked with the object files - the netatalk user in /etc/atalk/afppasswd exists, but pam requires that the same users also exists as a Unix user. In that case, you might need to add the user with the useradd command (on redhat at least). In my case, I had created a Unix account before I used the afppasswd command. When I typed affpasswd -c , it extracted accounts from my Unix password file and set the passwords to '***********'. I had to use the afppasswd -a command to set the password in /etc/atalk/afppasswd. The passwords for both accounts were the same in my case. Incidently, does anyone know who to 'link' these two files? I'm probably doing something wrong, but now I have to manage two account databases which is very cumbersome. You startup log messages look fine. When I get back from work I'll send you my configuration files etc. Regards, Marcel -- Marcel Lammerse "One more time?" -Michael Flatley On Wed, 7 Mar 2001, Thomas Priore wrote: > Thanks for your help, I didn't get it working, but I'm much closer. I'm > getting a new error from the Mac: > "Unknown user, incorrect password, or log on disabled...." > > there was no rand2numb.so, but randnumb.so was there. I think my problem now > lies with the passwd file. I made the changes to afpd as you recommended: > - -transall -uamlist > uams_randnum.so,uams_guest.so,uams_clrtxt.so,uams_dhx.so -passwdfile > /etc/atalk/afppasswd -setpassword -savepassword > > then I created the afppasswd file, and added a user with afppasswd. > > Some thing interesting in the messages log, atalk seems to be coming up on > the loop back address 127.0.0.1 and doesn't mention the actual ip of the > server. Here is the messages log: > > Mar 7 23:27:46 reznor atalkd[6634]: restart (1.5pre4) > Mar 7 23:27:47 reznor atalkd[6634]: zip_getnetinfo for eth0 > Mar 7 23:28:06 reznor last message repeated 2 times > Mar 7 23:28:16 reznor atalkd[6634]: config for no router > Mar 7 23:28:17 reznor atalkd[6634]: ready 0/0/0 > Mar 7 23:28:17 reznor atalk: atalkd startup succeeded > Mar 7 23:28:30 reznor papd[6649]: restart (1.5pre4) > Mar 7 23:28:30 reznor atalk: papd startup succeeded > Mar 7 23:28:30 reznor atalk: timelord startup succeeded > Mar 7 23:28:30 reznor atalk: afpd startup succeeded > Mar 7 23:28:36 reznor timelord[6659]: reznor:TimeLord started > Mar 7 23:28:36 reznor afpd[6669]: reznor:AFPServer@* started on > 65280.237:130 (1.5pre4) > Mar 7 23:28:36 reznor afpd[6669]: ASIP started on 127.0.0.1:548(2) > (1.5pre4) > Mar 7 23:28:36 reznor afpd[6669]: uam: uams_randnum.so loaded > Mar 7 23:28:36 reznor afpd[6669]: uam: uams_guest.so loaded > Mar 7 23:28:36 reznor afpd[6669]: uam: uams_clrtxt.so loaded > Mar 7 23:28:36 reznor afpd[6669]: uam: uams_dhx.so loaded > Mar 7 23:28:36 reznor afpd[6669]: uam: "DHCAST128" available > Mar 7 23:28:36 reznor afpd[6669]: uam: "Cleartxt Passwrd" available > Mar 7 23:28:36 reznor afpd[6669]: uam: "No User Authent" available > Mar 7 23:28:36 reznor afpd[6669]: uam: "2-Way Randnum exchange" available > Mar 7 23:28:36 reznor afpd[6669]: uam: "Randnum exchange" available > Mar 7 23:29:17 reznor afpd[6676]: ASIP session:548(2) from > 192.168.0.2:49301(0) > Mar 7 23:29:17 reznor afpd[6676]: 0.08KB read, 0.07KB written > Mar 7 23:29:17 reznor afpd[6669]: server_child[1] 6676 done > Mar 7 23:29:27 reznor afpd[6677]: ASIP session:548(2) from > 192.168.0.2:49302(0) > Mar 7 23:29:27 reznor afpd[6669]: server_child[1] 6677 done > Mar 7 23:29:33 reznor afpd[6678]: ASIP session:548(2) from > 192.168.0.2:49303(0) > Mar 7 23:29:33 reznor afpd[6678]: 0.08KB read, 0.07KB written > Mar 7 23:29:33 reznor afpd[6669]: server_child[1] 6678 done > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Marcel Lammerse [mailto:lammerse@xs4all.nl] > Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2001 3:53 AM > To: Thomas Priore; netatalk-admins@umich.edu > Subject: Re: Help PLS, only guest can log in. > > > Hello Thomas, > > it seems that I have had the exact same (first) problem. I can't explain > your > second problem, but here's something that might help you on your way. By the > way, I have a Linux redhat 6.0 system and I'm using MacOS 9.0.4. > > If you want to do user-authentication, netatalk needs to support a number of > authentication methods. If you follow the instructions and compile netatalk > with the pam modules and the des library, you can see in /var/log/messages > which authentication methods are supported. > > If you use the default configuration files for afpd, these methods are: > cleartext password login, guest login and Diffie-Hellman/CAST-128. None of > these will work, except for guest login. > > What will work is if you look in /etc/atalk/uams and you find a randnum or > rand2num file, encrypted random numbers are supported. You will need to > configure this in afpd.conf. Just add it to uamslist. It should read > something > (I don't have Linux handy) like this: > > "My volume" -transall -uamslist uams_randnum.so ... > > If you've done that and you fire up netatalkd again (preferrable with the > supplied script), you should see an additional supported authentication > mechanism (encrypted random numbers). > > Then what you need to do, is use the afppasswd command to create a password > file and add your user to it. Something like: > > afppasswd -c /etc/atalk/afppasswd > afppasswd -a my-user > [type password twice] > > Then you should be able to connect to the share via your macintosh. > > If anyone knows a better/more efficient way, I'd love to hear it. If you > need > any more help, just shout. > > Regards, > > Marcel > > > Quoting Thomas Priore : > > > Hi, I install netatalk 1.5pre4 on redhat linux 7.0. (actually I install a > > bunch of different versions, from rpm and compiling) The problem seems to > > be > > that only guest can log on. From what I've read this seems to be a shadow > > password problem, but I have no idea how to fix it. Can anyone help? > > > > I have a second problem too, which is more of a nuisance, the sever > doesn't > > show up in the client's chooser, the ip has to be typed in. Is there a fix > > for this? > > > > Thanks. > > > > Tom > > > > > > > From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Sat Mar 10 08:17:20 2001 Return-Path: Received: from kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.25]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id IAA24016 for ; Sat, 10 Mar 2001 08:17:20 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id IAA29048 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Sat, 10 Mar 2001 08:17:20 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id IAA29017 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Sat, 10 Mar 2001 08:17:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail2.passagen.se (mail2.passagen.se [195.163.107.11]) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id IAA28944 for ; Sat, 10 Mar 2001 08:17:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from henrik (dynamic-195-35.dialup.chalmers.se [129.16.195.35]) by mail2.passagen.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/1.22) with SMTP id for ; Sat, 10 Mar 2001 14:17:14 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: <002201c0a95c$265899c0$23c31081@henrik> From: "Henrik" To: References: Subject: Re: No write access Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2001 13:17:58 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Hi. Here is the home directory of the user I log in from my Mac as: drwxrwsrwx 10 henrik henrik 4096 Mar 10 12:13 . drwxrwxrwx 3 henrik henrik 4096 Mar 8 21:56 .. drwxrwsrwx 2 henrik henrik 4096 Mar 9 11:51 .AppleDouble -rw------- 1 henrik henrik 4433 Mar 10 12:02 .bash_history -rw-r--r-- 1 henrik henrik 328 Mar 9 00:05 .bash_profile -rw-r--r-- 1 henrik henrik 513 Mar 9 11:25 .bashrc -rw-r--r-- 1 henrik henrik 2148 Mar 9 11:04 .dir_colors drwxrwsrwx 5 henrik henrik 4096 Mar 9 09:22 Network Trash Folder drwxrwsrwx 3 henrik henrik 4096 Mar 8 23:50 TheVolumeSettingsFolder drwxrwsrwx 5 henrik henrik 4096 Mar 10 12:01 test Here is a piece of me passwd-file (if it might be of any help): root:1/RxbpdCkXTfM:0:0:root:/root:/bin/bash bin:!:1000:100::/home/bin: henrik:/mk8hq6XJDaeE:2:10:henrik:/home/henrik:/bin/bash Hope you can help me now Henrik > Hi! > > Try sending us a small portion of the directory listing from the Linux > machine. Also, telling us what version of server software you're using would > help. > > Cheers, > Jason. > > On 9/3/01 12:32, "Henrik" wrote: > > > I am the owner of the folder. > > From the Mac I can create subfolders but I can't copy files to my linux-box. > > The mac complains about that the file is locked and when I try do delete a > > file I get the message that I don't have write access. > > Is there any settings to be done on my Linux-box and/or for netatalk. Is > > there anything I must do on my Mac to be able to write to my Linux-box. I > > can tell that reading files works fine. > > Please help. > > //Henrik > > > >> who is the owner of the Parent Directory you are placing the folder in. It > > has to be you. >Group I believe must also match a group you belong to. > >> Heath Henderson > > > > -----Original Message----- > > Hi. > > > > When I try to put files in my shared linux folder from the Mac it tells me > > that I don't have write access. How do I get it? The folder has the mode 777 > > so I thought that I would have the right to write to it. > > Please help. > > > > Thanks > > Henrik > > > > From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Sat Mar 10 11:01:26 2001 Return-Path: Received: from kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.25]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id LAA26940 for ; Sat, 10 Mar 2001 11:01:26 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id LAA14136 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Sat, 10 Mar 2001 11:01:26 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id LAA14110 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Sat, 10 Mar 2001 11:01:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from rakete.joerdens.de ([62.104.116.200]) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id LAA14038 for ; Sat, 10 Mar 2001 11:01:24 -0500 (EST) Received: (from frank@localhost) by rakete.joerdens.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA26530 for netatalk-admins@umich.edu; Sat, 10 Mar 2001 17:01:18 +0100 Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2001 17:01:18 +0100 From: Frank Joerdens To: netatalk-admins@umich.edu Subject: Netalk/Samba and vetoing Icon? files Message-ID: <20010310170118.A26419@rakete.joerdens.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii User-Agent: Mutt/1.1.2i X-Subliminal-Message: Use Linux! Use Linux! To make Samba and Netatalk work together, it is a good plan to veto those files which are automagically created by Netatalk on the Samba side. My veto string looks like this: /.AppleDesktop/.AppleDouble/Network Trash Folder/TheVolumeSettingsFolder/TheFindByContentFolder/Temporary Items/lost+found/Folder Settings/.finf/ What I have not been able to figure out is how to veto Icon^M files. Does anybody know? Regards, Frank From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Sat Mar 10 13:26:54 2001 Return-Path: Received: from funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.27]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id NAA00539 for ; Sat, 10 Mar 2001 13:26:54 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id NAA04567 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Sat, 10 Mar 2001 13:26:47 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id NAA04539 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Sat, 10 Mar 2001 13:26:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from postal.interaccess.com (from.interaccess.com [207.208.131.20]) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id NAA04195 for ; Sat, 10 Mar 2001 13:26:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from [192.168.1.118] (a10.240.208.207.ded25.interaccess.com [207.208.240.10]) by postal.interaccess.com (8.10.2/8.10.2) with ESMTP id f2AIQcN12147 for ; Sat, 10 Mar 2001 12:26:43 -0600 (CST) User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2001 12:25:50 -0600 Subject: Re: Encrypted logins, configuration, The Chooser, etc. From: "Bruce A. Burdick, Jr." To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit I'm reposting this. It got zero response on the list last month when traffic was lower. But the participants who have increased the list traffic this month have demonstrated an ability to answer some difficult questions. So my hopes are up for some good answers this time around. And in the intervening month I've managed to verify that if there is a third-party UAM for the Mac, it's languishing in obscurity somewhere where Google and the other major engines can't see it. Don't be daunted by the size and scope of this list of questions. Break off whatever you can manage. -B... ___________________________________________________ From: Bruce A. Burdick, Jr. Date: Tue, 06 Feb 2001 02:47:05 -0600 I've perused the archives, but have mostly seen quick jots and morsels, all assuming quite a bit of pre-existing context. Let's assemble the full story on encrypted logins and netatalk. I'd like to see a robust how-to that leaves nothing unsaid. How about you? What are the various methods for encrypted logins supported by netatalk? In which versions? What are the advantages/disadvantages of these? Which of them are older/newer technologies? Which are weak/fading? Which are robust? What are the various methods for encrypted logins supported by The Chooser? In which versions? How does netatalk need to be compiled to support the various methods? How does this differ among the versions? How does netatalk need to be configured to support the various methods? How does this differ among the versions? Do any end-to-end secure solutions exist? (i.e. no clear text passwords stored or transmitted) What are they? How (in detail) are they installed and configured? What is netatalk 1.5 promising in this regard? What remains to be implemented or fixed? What is not slated for development before the next version? (1.6?) Any other questions I missed? I know some of the answers to these. But perhaps you know and can explain them better. Or perhaps you have additional insights. My reason for asking all this: I want to be able to login (with full encryption, of course) from a Macintosh to a netatalk server over TCP/IP. I'm running netatalk-1.4b2+asun2.1.3-8 on LinuxPPC 2000 (2.2.15pre3) and netatalk-1.4b2+asun2.1.3-7 on LinuxPPC 2000 Q4 (2.2.18), and the shipping version on OpenBSD 2.8 i386 (netatalk-990130.tgz). I've tried a few times to get encrypted logins working, all to no avail. I'm not looking for a quick fix. I'd really like to get a solid picture of the options and issues in my head. I think a set of the best answers to the above questions will make my life a lot easier, and probably many of yours as well. Anyone want to take a crack at these? Lastly, to you fellas who've picked up the netatalk ball and put it back into development: thank you! -B... From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Sat Mar 10 16:40:32 2001 Return-Path: Received: from funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.27]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id QAA03747 for ; Sat, 10 Mar 2001 16:40:32 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id QAA02631 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Sat, 10 Mar 2001 16:40:25 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id QAA02607 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Sat, 10 Mar 2001 16:40:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp06.wxs.nl (smtp06.wxs.nl [195.121.6.58]) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id QAA02553 for ; Sat, 10 Mar 2001 16:40:23 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <200103102140.QAA02553@funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu> Received: from [195.121.137.104] ([195.121.137.104]) by smtp06.wxs.nl (Netscape Messaging Server 4.05) with ESMTP id GA047F01.VE1; Sat, 10 Mar 2001 22:40:27 +0100 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 4.5 (0410) Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2001 22:38:01 +0100 Subject: Antw: Help PLS, only guest can log in. From: "Marcel Lammerse" To: Thomas Priore CC: Appletalk On Linux Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Hi Thomas, all I did was follow the instructions in the Netatalk-Howto, which you'll find at: http://www.anders.com/projects/netatalk/ Could it be that you're using a version of MacOS which doesn't work well with your setup? I'm using MacOS 9.0.4. I'm currently not at home so I can't send you my version of netatalk and its configuration files. I'll send you the files tomorrow. Regards, Marcel -- This signature is temporarily out of order ---------- >Van: "Thomas Priore" >Aan: "Marcel Lammerse" >Cc: "Appletalk On Linux" >Onderwerp: RE: Help PLS, only guest can log in. >Datum: zat, 10 maa 2001 05:04 > > Thanks again for the help. i tried to create the afppasswd with -c and it > created the file with the accounts, i thenk set the passwords, but I'm still > recieving the same error. I think i'm going to try to recompile netatalk. do > you know what options i need to include and where to put them? > > Thanks, > Tom > > -----Original Message----- > From: Marcel Lammerse [mailto:lammerse@xs4all.nl] > Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2001 3:31 AM > To: Thomas Priore > Cc: Appletalk On Linux > Subject: RE: Help PLS, only guest can log in. > > > Ok.. > > Things I can think of: > > - netatalk is not compiled with the -DUSE_PAM option and the pam-library > is not linked with the object files > > - the netatalk user in /etc/atalk/afppasswd exists, but pam requires that > the same users also exists as a Unix user. In that case, you might need > to add the user with the useradd command (on redhat at least). > > In my case, I had created a Unix account before I used the afppasswd > command. When I typed affpasswd -c , it extracted accounts from my Unix > password file and set the passwords to '***********'. I had to use the > afppasswd -a command to set the password in /etc/atalk/afppasswd. The > passwords for both accounts were the same in my case. > > Incidently, does anyone know who to 'link' these two files? I'm probably > doing something wrong, but now I have to manage two account databases > which is very cumbersome. > > You startup log messages look fine. > > When I get back from work I'll send you my configuration files etc. > > Regards, > > Marcel > > -- > Marcel Lammerse > > "One more time?" > -Michael Flatley > > On Wed, 7 Mar 2001, Thomas Priore wrote: > >> Thanks for your help, I didn't get it working, but I'm much closer. I'm >> getting a new error from the Mac: >> "Unknown user, incorrect password, or log on disabled...." >> >> there was no rand2numb.so, but randnumb.so was there. I think my problem > now >> lies with the passwd file. I made the changes to afpd as you recommended: >> - -transall -uamlist >> uams_randnum.so,uams_guest.so,uams_clrtxt.so,uams_dhx.so -passwdfile >> /etc/atalk/afppasswd -setpassword -savepassword >> >> then I created the afppasswd file, and added a user with afppasswd. >> >> Some thing interesting in the messages log, atalk seems to be coming up on >> the loop back address 127.0.0.1 and doesn't mention the actual ip of the >> server. Here is the messages log: >> >> Mar 7 23:27:46 reznor atalkd[6634]: restart (1.5pre4) >> Mar 7 23:27:47 reznor atalkd[6634]: zip_getnetinfo for eth0 >> Mar 7 23:28:06 reznor last message repeated 2 times >> Mar 7 23:28:16 reznor atalkd[6634]: config for no router >> Mar 7 23:28:17 reznor atalkd[6634]: ready 0/0/0 >> Mar 7 23:28:17 reznor atalk: atalkd startup succeeded >> Mar 7 23:28:30 reznor papd[6649]: restart (1.5pre4) >> Mar 7 23:28:30 reznor atalk: papd startup succeeded >> Mar 7 23:28:30 reznor atalk: timelord startup succeeded >> Mar 7 23:28:30 reznor atalk: afpd startup succeeded >> Mar 7 23:28:36 reznor timelord[6659]: reznor:TimeLord started >> Mar 7 23:28:36 reznor afpd[6669]: reznor:AFPServer@* started on >> 65280.237:130 (1.5pre4) >> Mar 7 23:28:36 reznor afpd[6669]: ASIP started on 127.0.0.1:548(2) >> (1.5pre4) >> Mar 7 23:28:36 reznor afpd[6669]: uam: uams_randnum.so loaded >> Mar 7 23:28:36 reznor afpd[6669]: uam: uams_guest.so loaded >> Mar 7 23:28:36 reznor afpd[6669]: uam: uams_clrtxt.so loaded >> Mar 7 23:28:36 reznor afpd[6669]: uam: uams_dhx.so loaded >> Mar 7 23:28:36 reznor afpd[6669]: uam: "DHCAST128" available >> Mar 7 23:28:36 reznor afpd[6669]: uam: "Cleartxt Passwrd" available >> Mar 7 23:28:36 reznor afpd[6669]: uam: "No User Authent" available >> Mar 7 23:28:36 reznor afpd[6669]: uam: "2-Way Randnum exchange" available >> Mar 7 23:28:36 reznor afpd[6669]: uam: "Randnum exchange" available >> Mar 7 23:29:17 reznor afpd[6676]: ASIP session:548(2) from >> 192.168.0.2:49301(0) >> Mar 7 23:29:17 reznor afpd[6676]: 0.08KB read, 0.07KB written >> Mar 7 23:29:17 reznor afpd[6669]: server_child[1] 6676 done >> Mar 7 23:29:27 reznor afpd[6677]: ASIP session:548(2) from >> 192.168.0.2:49302(0) >> Mar 7 23:29:27 reznor afpd[6669]: server_child[1] 6677 done >> Mar 7 23:29:33 reznor afpd[6678]: ASIP session:548(2) from >> 192.168.0.2:49303(0) >> Mar 7 23:29:33 reznor afpd[6678]: 0.08KB read, 0.07KB written >> Mar 7 23:29:33 reznor afpd[6669]: server_child[1] 6678 done >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Marcel Lammerse [mailto:lammerse@xs4all.nl] >> Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2001 3:53 AM >> To: Thomas Priore; netatalk-admins@umich.edu >> Subject: Re: Help PLS, only guest can log in. >> >> >> Hello Thomas, >> >> it seems that I have had the exact same (first) problem. I can't explain >> your >> second problem, but here's something that might help you on your way. By > the >> way, I have a Linux redhat 6.0 system and I'm using MacOS 9.0.4. >> >> If you want to do user-authentication, netatalk needs to support a number > of >> authentication methods. If you follow the instructions and compile > netatalk >> with the pam modules and the des library, you can see in /var/log/messages >> which authentication methods are supported. >> >> If you use the default configuration files for afpd, these methods are: >> cleartext password login, guest login and Diffie-Hellman/CAST-128. None of >> these will work, except for guest login. >> >> What will work is if you look in /etc/atalk/uams and you find a randnum or >> rand2num file, encrypted random numbers are supported. You will need to >> configure this in afpd.conf. Just add it to uamslist. It should read >> something >> (I don't have Linux handy) like this: >> >> "My volume" -transall -uamslist uams_randnum.so ... >> >> If you've done that and you fire up netatalkd again (preferrable with the >> supplied script), you should see an additional supported authentication >> mechanism (encrypted random numbers). >> >> Then what you need to do, is use the afppasswd command to create a > password >> file and add your user to it. Something like: >> >> afppasswd -c /etc/atalk/afppasswd >> afppasswd -a my-user >> [type password twice] >> >> Then you should be able to connect to the share via your macintosh. >> >> If anyone knows a better/more efficient way, I'd love to hear it. If you >> need >> any more help, just shout. >> >> Regards, >> >> Marcel >> >> >> Quoting Thomas Priore : >> >> > Hi, I install netatalk 1.5pre4 on redhat linux 7.0. (actually I install > a >> > bunch of different versions, from rpm and compiling) The problem seems > to >> > be >> > that only guest can log on. From what I've read this seems to be a > shadow >> > password problem, but I have no idea how to fix it. Can anyone help? >> > >> > I have a second problem too, which is more of a nuisance, the sever >> doesn't >> > show up in the client's chooser, the ip has to be typed in. Is there a > fix >> > for this? >> > >> > Thanks. >> > >> > Tom >> > >> > >> >> >> > > > From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Mon Mar 12 09:30:03 2001 Return-Path: Received: from easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.26]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id JAA17895 for ; Mon, 12 Mar 2001 09:30:02 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id JAA11398 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Mon, 12 Mar 2001 09:30:02 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id JAA11352 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Mon, 12 Mar 2001 09:30:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from apollo.le.ac.uk (apollo.le.ac.uk [143.210.16.125]) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id JAA11261 for ; Mon, 12 Mar 2001 09:29:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from ithaca.mcs.le.ac.uk ([143.210.72.11]) by apollo.le.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.16 #1) id 14cTKg-0004HG-00 for netatalk-admins@umich.edu; Mon, 12 Mar 2001 14:29:58 +0000 Received: from pc54 (pc54 [143.210.72.46]) by ithaca.mcs.le.ac.uk (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) with SMTP id OAA28975 for ; Mon, 12 Mar 2001 14:29:57 GMT Message-Id: <200103121429.OAA28975@ithaca.mcs.le.ac.uk> Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 14:29:57 +0000 (GMT) From: "J. A. Landamore" Reply-To: "J. A. Landamore" Subject: netatalk on Solaris sparcv9 To: netatalk-admins@umich.edu X-Mailer: dtmail 1.3.0 @(#)CDE Version 1.4 SunOS 5.8 i86pc i386 Content-Type: text X-Sun-Text-Type: ascii What is the latest version of netatalk that anyone has successfully built and installed on a 64bit SPARC box. Please note that this implies you MUST have used the Sun 5.0 C compiler as gcc doesn't support 64 compiles correctly. TIA John Landamore From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Mon Mar 12 10:24:08 2001 Return-Path: Received: from easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.26]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id KAA19188 for ; Mon, 12 Mar 2001 10:24:08 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id KAA13272 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Mon, 12 Mar 2001 10:24:08 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id KAA13204 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Mon, 12 Mar 2001 10:24:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from univrel.pr.uconn.edu (univrel.pr.uconn.edu [137.99.59.30]) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id KAA13131 for ; Mon, 12 Mar 2001 10:24:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from univrel.pr.uconn.edu (test.pr.uconn.edu [137.99.59.90]) by univrel.pr.uconn.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id KAA12384; Mon, 12 Mar 2001 10:24:01 -0500 Sender: root@univrel.pr.uconn.edu Message-ID: <3AAC9F13.C19FF515@univrel.pr.uconn.edu> Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 05:04:03 -0500 From: jeff X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.17-21mdksmp i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Bruce A. Burdick, Jr." CC: netatalk-admins@umich.edu, netatalk-docs@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: Encrypted logins, configuration, The Chooser, etc. References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit "Bruce A. Burdick, Jr." wrote: > > I'm reposting this. It got zero response on the list last month when traffic > was lower. But the participants who have increased the list traffic this > month have demonstrated an ability to answer some difficult questions. So my > hopes are up for some good answers this time around. And in the intervening > month I've managed to verify that if there is a third-party UAM for the Mac, > it's languishing in obscurity somewhere where Google and the other major > engines can't see it. > > Don't be daunted by the size and scope of this list of questions. Break off > whatever you can manage. > > -B... > > ___________________________________________________ > From: Bruce A. Burdick, Jr. > Date: Tue, 06 Feb 2001 02:47:05 -0600 > > I've perused the archives, but have mostly seen quick jots and morsels, all > assuming quite a bit of pre-existing context. Let's assemble the full story > on encrypted logins and netatalk. I'd like to see a robust how-to that > leaves nothing unsaid. How about you? > > What are the various methods for encrypted logins supported by netatalk? In > which versions? What are the advantages/disadvantages of these? Which of > them are older/newer technologies? Which are weak/fading? Which are robust? Randnum and DHX are the two ones that are supported by netatalk which are supported by stock AppleShare clients. Randnum (2-way encryption) is a little better security wise, but the tradeoff is that you have to keep a seperate afppasswd file, which can be a pain for a large number of users. > What are the various methods for encrypted logins supported by The Chooser? > In which versions? Apple has a page up at http://til.info.apple.com/techinfo.nsf/artnum/n60792?OpenDocument&software which explains the latest recommended versions of AppleShare Client for each version of Mac OS. The latest versions all support DHX and randnum. > How does netatalk need to be compiled to support the various methods? How > does this differ among the versions? It compiles the uams by default in the 1.5 series, if you have SSL support, which it tries to detect if you haven't specified a path for it. > How does netatalk need to be configured to support the various methods? How > does this differ among the versions? In your configuration directory (normally set in the build process, usually /etc/atalk or /usr/local/atalk/etc or something similar), there is a file called netatalk.conf which allows you to set the UAMS that the sysv scripts ask for. Add the UAMs you want to the list in that file, and you should be ready to go. > What is netatalk 1.5 promising in this regard? What remains to be > implemented or fixed? What is not slated for development before the next > version? (1.6?) The biggest thing that has to be done before 1.6 is a DID database. Other than that, we only have to worry about fixing small bugs in the code. > Any other questions I missed? > > I know some of the answers to these. But perhaps you know and can explain > them better. Or perhaps you have additional insights. > > My reason for asking all this: I want to be able to login (with full > encryption, of course) from a Macintosh to a netatalk server over TCP/IP. > I'm running netatalk-1.4b2+asun2.1.3-8 on LinuxPPC 2000 (2.2.15pre3) and > netatalk-1.4b2+asun2.1.3-7 on LinuxPPC 2000 Q4 (2.2.18), and the shipping > version on OpenBSD 2.8 i386 (netatalk-990130.tgz). I've tried a few times to > get encrypted logins working, all to no avail. I'm not looking for a quick > fix. I'd really like to get a solid picture of the options and issues in my > head. I think a set of the best answers to the above questions will make my > life a lot easier, and probably many of yours as well. Anyone want to take a > crack at these? As far as I know, the 1.5pre5 release should work with encrypted passwords on OpenBSD and LinuxPPC 2000. If you use the pam modules (--enable-pam on the ./configure line) you can even use a single LDAP or NIS authentication server for passwords across all the boxen. Make sure to update your AppleShare Clients, though. Many old ones don't support DHX. jeff From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Mon Mar 12 14:56:28 2001 Return-Path: Received: from funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.27]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id OAA29037 for ; Mon, 12 Mar 2001 14:56:28 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id OAA16262 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Mon, 12 Mar 2001 14:56:20 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id OAA16212 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Mon, 12 Mar 2001 14:56:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail-out2.apple.com (mail-out2.apple.com [17.254.0.51]) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id OAA16154 for ; Mon, 12 Mar 2001 14:56:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from scv1.apple.com (A17-128-100-139.apple.com [17.128.100.139]) by mail-out2.apple.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA12016; Mon, 12 Mar 2001 11:54:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from kingshammer (kingshammer.apple.com [17.221.40.220]) by scv1.apple.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA06125; Mon, 12 Mar 2001 11:53:55 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <200103121953.LAA06125@scv1.apple.com> Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 11:54:19 -0800 From: Leland Wallace Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Encrypted logins, configuration, The Chooser, etc. Cc: Leland Wallace , netatalk-admins@umich.edu To: "Bruce A. Burdick, Jr." X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.387) In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v387) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Saturday, March 10, 2001, at 10:25 AM, Bruce A. Burdick, Jr. wrote: > > From: Bruce A. Burdick, Jr. > Date: Tue, 06 Feb 2001 02:47:05 -0600 > > I've perused the archives, but have mostly seen quick jots and morsels, > all > assuming quite a bit of pre-existing context. Let's assemble the full > story > on encrypted logins and netatalk. I'd like to see a robust how-to that > leaves nothing unsaid. How about you? > > What are the various methods for encrypted logins supported by The > Chooser? > In which versions? Authentication methods supported by the AppleShare Client: No User Authent -- aka guest Cleartext passwd -- the lowest common denominator (just as bad as it sounds) Randnum Exchange -- only 8-byte random numbers are sent over the wire. vulnerable to offline dictionary attack, only the client is authenticated. Requires a cleartext password on the server. Limited to 8 byte passwords. Uses DES. 2-Way Randnum Exchange -- same as above, but the server is authenticated as well, making it strong against Man in the Middle attacks. This has been the mainstay of the Apple AFP services. DHCast128 -- aka DHX, a 128 bit key is generated by Diffie-Hellman key agreement, a 64 byte password is sent encrypted by the above key using CAST-128. Weak against Man in the Middle attacks. This one is gaining popularity and is supported in Mac OS X. Third Party UAMs that I know of: MicrosoftUAM Netware UAM There are at least 2 kerberos UAMs kicking around. Clients up to 3.8.3, have the first 4, 3.8.3 shipped with DHX as a UAM plug in. 3.8.4 and later have DHX built in. UAMs Id like to write if I had the time: B-SPEKE - a robust alg, provably secure, does not use cleartext anywhere except on the client (as input). SRP - very similar to B-SPEKE. RADIUS - don't know very much abt this one, but it looks like it would be useful. > > Do any end-to-end secure solutions exist? (i.e. no clear text passwords > stored or transmitted) What are they? How (in detail) are they > installed and > configured? By your definition DHX seems to fit the bill. I'd look at B-SPEKE and SRP as well. > Lastly, to you fellas who've picked up the netatalk ball and put it back > into development: thank you! > ditto. I'm the lead engineer on the AppleShare Client at Apple. Hope this helps Leland +----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Leland Wallace Working in AppleShare Engineering randall@apple.com but not speaking for Apple Computer Inc. http://www2.inow.com/~randall +----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Mon Mar 12 16:21:59 2001 Return-Path: Received: from easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.26]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id QAA02178 for ; Mon, 12 Mar 2001 16:21:59 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id QAA13489 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Mon, 12 Mar 2001 16:21:59 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id QAA13465 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Mon, 12 Mar 2001 16:21:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.utexas.edu (wb3-a.mail.utexas.edu [128.83.126.138]) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with SMTP id QAA13339 for ; Mon, 12 Mar 2001 16:21:57 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 27147 invoked by uid 0); 12 Mar 2001 21:21:54 -0000 Received: from mir.ece.utexas.edu (HELO ?128.83.59.76?) (128.83.59.76) by umbs-smtp-3 with SMTP; 12 Mar 2001 21:21:54 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 15:23:41 -0600 To: netatalk-admins@umich.edu From: James Hammett Subject: Having printers other than an Apple Laserwrtiter IINT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" I have a weird setup. Our Netatalk box is also running Samba and shares the local appletalk printers to the 95/98/Me/NT boxes. Unfortunately the only way to get the PC's to print correctly is to tell them to use the "Apple Laserwriter IINT" print driver. (Even if its a brand new lexmark with all sorts of bells and whistles). Is there any way to tell papd that these are a different type of printer? thanks, james From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Mon Mar 12 17:25:03 2001 Return-Path: Received: from easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.26]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id RAA04353 for ; Mon, 12 Mar 2001 17:25:03 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id RAA02050 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Mon, 12 Mar 2001 17:25:03 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id RAA02020 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Mon, 12 Mar 2001 17:25:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from www.molbio.wisc.edu (www.molbio.wisc.edu [144.92.19.124]) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with SMTP id RAA01969 for ; Mon, 12 Mar 2001 17:25:00 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 19109 invoked by uid 500); 12 Mar 2001 22:24:56 -0000 Received: from localhost (sendmail-bs@127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 12 Mar 2001 22:24:56 -0000 Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 16:24:56 -0600 (CST) From: "Daniel E. Lautenschleger" To: Netatalk Mailing List Subject: Power Tools Version Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Funny thing... I have not been able to get Pre4 or 5 working correctly on my RH7 box. Weird stuff going on with file perms. I was perusing the Red Hat Power Tools CD to be released with the next version of Red Hat of of a mirror site and saw they were packaging a version of Netatalk called 1.5pre2-4. The darn thing works like a charm with respect to SUID, encrypted passwords, and when I deleted a file that I copied from a Mac the resource "copy" also went away. Is this just a previous release of Beta 1.5 that worked rather well with Red Hat? Thoughts? From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Mon Mar 12 18:14:12 2001 Return-Path: Received: from kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.25]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id SAA05591 for ; Mon, 12 Mar 2001 18:14:12 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id SAA01159 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Mon, 12 Mar 2001 18:14:11 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id SAA01136 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Mon, 12 Mar 2001 18:14:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from klaatu.patho.gen.nz (210-54-213-233.ipnets.xtra.co.nz [210.54.213.233]) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id SAA00848 for ; Mon, 12 Mar 2001 18:14:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from valerie (mcns248.docsis161.singa.pore.net [202.156.161.248]) by klaatu.patho.gen.nz (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id LAA16367; Tue, 13 Mar 2001 11:19:21 +1300 From: "Michael Clark" To: "Leland Wallace" , "Bruce A. Burdick, Jr." Cc: Subject: RE: Encrypted logins, configuration, The Chooser, etc. Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2001 07:16:45 +0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 In-Reply-To: <200103121953.LAA06125@scv1.apple.com> Importance: Normal > DHCast128 -- aka DHX, a 128 bit key is generated by Diffie-Hellman key > agreement, > a 64 byte password is sent encrypted by the above key using CAST-128. > Weak > against Man in the Middle attacks. This one is gaining popularity and > is supported in > Mac OS X. Okay, so i guess DHX has no need for clear text passwords stored on the server (as is required with the 'network-secure' UAMs such as 2-way randnum) - can I use PAM right? I guess you can then use LDAP indirectly through PAM - anybody tried this? Michael Clark. From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Mon Mar 12 18:26:28 2001 Return-Path: Received: from easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.26]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id SAA06115 for ; Mon, 12 Mar 2001 18:26:27 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id SAA22154 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Mon, 12 Mar 2001 18:26:27 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id SAA22122 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Mon, 12 Mar 2001 18:26:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail-out1.apple.com (mail-out1.apple.com [17.254.0.52]) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id SAA21773 for ; Mon, 12 Mar 2001 18:26:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from apple.com (A17-129-100-225.apple.com [17.129.100.225]) by mail-out1.apple.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA00570 for ; Mon, 12 Mar 2001 15:26:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from scv3.apple.com (scv3.apple.com) by apple.com (Content Technologies SMTPRS 4.2.1) with ESMTP id ; Mon, 12 Mar 2001 15:25:50 -0800 Received: from kingshammer (kingshammer.apple.com [17.221.40.220]) by scv3.apple.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA03916; Mon, 12 Mar 2001 15:25:49 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <200103122325.PAA03916@scv3.apple.com> Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 15:26:14 -0800 From: Leland Wallace Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Encrypted logins, configuration, The Chooser, etc. Cc: Leland Wallace , "Bruce A. Burdick, Jr." , netatalk-admins@umich.edu To: Michael Clark X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.387) In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v387) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Monday, March 12, 2001, at 03:16 PM, Michael Clark wrote: > >> DHCast128 -- aka DHX, a 128 bit key is generated by Diffie-Hellman key >> agreement, >> a 64 byte password is sent encrypted by the above key using >> CAST-128. >> Weak >> against Man in the Middle attacks. This one is gaining popularity >> and >> is supported in >> Mac OS X. > > Okay, so i guess DHX has no need for clear text passwords stored on the > server > (as is required with the 'network-secure' UAMs such as 2-way randnum) - > can I > use PAM right? AFAIK yes, and I think that's what the current DHX implementations allow. Once the password is decrypted on the server side, you can do anything you want with it. Hope this helps Leland +----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Leland Wallace Working in AppleShare Engineering randall@apple.com but not speaking for Apple Computer Inc. http://www2.inow.com/~randall +----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Mon Mar 12 19:14:45 2001 Return-Path: Received: from easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.26]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id TAA07036 for ; Mon, 12 Mar 2001 19:14:44 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id TAA19417 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Mon, 12 Mar 2001 19:14:44 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id TAA19382 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Mon, 12 Mar 2001 19:14:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from sandman.ucdavis.edu (sandman.ucdavis.edu [169.237.105.36]) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id TAA19338 for ; Mon, 12 Mar 2001 19:14:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (itlm019@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by sandman.ucdavis.edu (8.11.1/8.11.0/IT4.4.8) with ESMTP id f2D0ENU14917; Mon, 12 Mar 2001 16:14:23 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 16:14:23 -0800 (PST) From: Marc Miller X-Sender: itlm019@sandman.ucdavis.edu To: "Daniel E. Lautenschleger" cc: Netatalk Mailing List Subject: Re: Power Tools Version In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII 1.5pre2 (the -4 part must be indicative of the RPM version) is not release quality. I use something close to pre3 and have been fairly happy with it, but pre5 is now out on http://www.sourceforge.net/projects/netatalk. I'd recommend either 3 or 5. pre4 is pretty good but it seems to have introduced some new bugs. On Mon, 12 Mar 2001, Daniel E. Lautenschleger wrote: > Funny thing... > > I have not been able to get Pre4 or 5 working correctly on my RH7 box. > Weird stuff going on with file perms. > > I was perusing the Red Hat Power Tools CD to be released with the next > version of Red Hat of of a mirror site and saw they were packaging a > version of Netatalk called 1.5pre2-4. > > The darn thing works like a charm with respect to SUID, encrypted > passwords, and when I deleted a file that I copied from a Mac the resource > "copy" also went away. > > Is this just a previous release of Beta 1.5 that worked rather well with > Red Hat? > > Thoughts? > ============================================================ /\/\arc ._|. /\/\iller (itlm019@mailbox.ucdavis.edu) Computer Room Consultant Information Technology/Lab Management ============================================================ I can be contacted through the Communication Center link from http://www.mother.com/~mjmiller/ From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Mon Mar 12 19:41:26 2001 Return-Path: Received: from kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.25]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id TAA07800 for ; Mon, 12 Mar 2001 19:41:26 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id TAA01247 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Mon, 12 Mar 2001 19:41:26 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id TAA01207 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Mon, 12 Mar 2001 19:41:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from sandman.ucdavis.edu (sandman.ucdavis.edu [169.237.105.36]) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id TAA01153 for ; Mon, 12 Mar 2001 19:41:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (itlm019@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by sandman.ucdavis.edu (8.11.1/8.11.0/IT4.4.8) with ESMTP id f2D0f2U16740; Mon, 12 Mar 2001 16:41:02 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 16:41:02 -0800 (PST) From: Marc Miller X-Sender: itlm019@sandman.ucdavis.edu To: Michael Clark cc: Leland Wallace , "Bruce A. Burdick, Jr." , netatalk-admins@umich.edu Subject: RE: Encrypted logins, configuration, The Chooser, etc. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII A friend recently informed me that Linux Magazine also said to create the netatalk passwords in a clear-text file for one of those other encryption techniques. Dangerous. DHX does work with PAM; I'm doing that right now on my system. On Tue, 13 Mar 2001, Michael Clark wrote: > > > DHCast128 -- aka DHX, a 128 bit key is generated by Diffie-Hellman key > > agreement, > > a 64 byte password is sent encrypted by the above key using CAST-128. > > Weak > > against Man in the Middle attacks. This one is gaining popularity and > > is supported in > > Mac OS X. > > Okay, so i guess DHX has no need for clear text passwords stored on the server > (as is required with the 'network-secure' UAMs such as 2-way randnum) - can I > use PAM right? > > I guess you can then use LDAP indirectly through PAM - anybody tried this? > > > Michael Clark. > ============================================================ /\/\arc ._|. /\/\iller (itlm019@mailbox.ucdavis.edu) Computer Room Consultant Information Technology/Lab Management ============================================================ I can be contacted through the Communication Center link from http://www.mother.com/~mjmiller/ From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Mon Mar 12 21:39:28 2001 Return-Path: Received: from easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.26]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id VAA11070 for ; Mon, 12 Mar 2001 21:39:28 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id VAA15960 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Mon, 12 Mar 2001 21:39:28 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id VAA15938 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Mon, 12 Mar 2001 21:39:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from clever.visp-europe.psi.com (clever.visp-europe.psi.com [212.222.105.4]) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id VAA15900 for ; Mon, 12 Mar 2001 21:39:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from ns01-n71-007.de.inter.net ([213.73.71.7] helo=athlet.deltaman.de) by clever.visp-europe.psi.com with esmtp (Exim 3.22 #1) id 14ceib-00061w-00 for netatalk-admins@umich.edu; Tue, 13 Mar 2001 03:39:25 +0100 Received: from athlet (root@athlet.deltaman.de [192.168.1.1]) by athlet.deltaman.de (8.9.3/8.9.3/SuSE Linux 8.9.3-0.1) with SMTP id DAA15293 for ; Tue, 13 Mar 2001 03:37:36 +0100 From: Carsten Neumann Reply-To: deltor@snafu.de To: netatalk-admins@umich.edu Subject: Re: Having printers other than an Apple Laserwrtiter IINT Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2001 02:54:05 +0100 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.0.28] Content-Type: text/plain References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <01031303373601.03569@athlet> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu id VAA11070 On Mon, 12 Mar 2001, James Hammett wrote: > I have a weird setup. Our Netatalk box is also running Samba and > shares the local appletalk printers to the 95/98/Me/NT boxes. > Unfortunately the only way to get the PC's to print correctly is to > tell them to use the "Apple Laserwriter IINT" print driver. (Even if > its a brand new lexmark with all sorts of bells and whistles). Is > there any way to tell papd that these are a different type of printer? > > thanks, > james It looks to me that your problem is not netatalk and papd but Windoze (and probably apsfilter) related. I see it this way: 1. You spool your Doze printer files to a spool directory on your Samba server. 2. The data is then sent via pap (not papd!) to your AppleTalk Postscript printer. I don't know what languages your Lexmark supports, but if you need to switch to another emulation than Postscript to enable the features you desire, and your Doze-PCs have printer drivers supporting this, you have use a "raw" device. I.e. a printer spooler which ships the data as-is to your printer. Usually (for the standard spoolers) apsfilter will always try to convert any data to Postscript. To accomplish this you will probably need to install a recent version of apsfilter: http://www.apsfilter.org/ The newest version is something like 6.0.x. Older versions have problems when sending Non-Postscript data via pap. Also make sure you have a new version of Ghostscript installed. The latest of Aladdin Ghostscript is 6.50. See: http://www.cs.wisc.edu/~ghost/ BTW: since my over 10 years old NEC LC890 doesn't support Postscript Level 2, I use its laserjet emulation and apsfilter, ghostscript, and pap to print my data. Works great! :-) HTH, Regards Carsten From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Mon Mar 12 21:39:39 2001 Return-Path: Received: from funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.27]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id VAA11098 for ; Mon, 12 Mar 2001 21:39:38 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id VAA19586 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Mon, 12 Mar 2001 21:39:31 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id VAA19566 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Mon, 12 Mar 2001 21:39:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from femail8.sdc1.sfba.home.com (femail8.sdc1.sfba.home.com [24.0.95.88]) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id VAA19537 for ; Mon, 12 Mar 2001 21:39:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from [24.3.174.225] by femail8.sdc1.sfba.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.00 201-229-121) with ESMTP id <20010313023936.NYBR25644.femail8.sdc1.sfba.home.com@[24.3.174.225]> for ; Mon, 12 Mar 2001 18:39:36 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: liquidcd@mail.sumt1.nj.home.com (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 19:40:29 -0500 To: netatalk-admins@umich.edu From: Liquid CD Subject: unsubscribe Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Tue Mar 13 00:22:57 2001 Return-Path: Received: from kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.25]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id AAA15087 for ; Tue, 13 Mar 2001 00:22:57 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id AAA25284 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Tue, 13 Mar 2001 00:22:57 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id AAA25250 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Tue, 13 Mar 2001 00:22:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from VL-MS-MR002.sc1.videotron.ca (relais.videotron.ca [24.201.245.36]) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id AAA25154 for ; Tue, 13 Mar 2001 00:22:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from fnac.net ([24.201.28.100]) by VL-MS-MR002.sc1.videotron.ca (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with ESMTP id GA4EY400.618; Tue, 13 Mar 2001 00:22:52 -0500 Sender: marco@fnac.net Message-ID: <3AADAD4B.5F94C350@fnac.net> Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2001 00:17:00 -0500 From: marco a X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [fr] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.17-14 i586) X-Accept-Language: fr, fr-CA, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: netatalk-admins@umich.edu Subject: [newbie problem] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi, i just put eth1 in my atalkd.conf file, i have eth0 plugged on the external network and eth1 on the internal one, with 2 macs (g3-macOS9.1, g4-macOS9.1) and the linuxbox with netatalk-1.4b2+asun2.1.3-22 installed I start atalkd... 10'' and the name "laptop" appears in the chooser, i can connect to the linux box, good ! 20'' later when i relaunch the chooser for any reason, there is no "laptop" in the chooser, and the led is flashing continuously, I can connect with it just by the ip number When I to stop here is the message: [ root@laptop init.d]# ./atalk stop Shutting down AppleTalk services: Can't unregister laptop:Workstation@* Can't unregister laptop:netatalk@* appletalk: Device or resource busy the atalkd.conf was filled by herself : eth1 -phase 2 -net 65280-65534 addr 65280.0 ifconfig gives : [root@laptop init.d]# /sbin/ifconfig eth0 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 00:10:4B:DE:57:84 inet addr:24.201.28.100 Bcast:24.201.28.255 Mask:255.255.255.0 UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST MTU:1500 Metric:1 RX packets:38833 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0 TX packets:48214 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0 collisions:58 eth1 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 00:E0:98:83:CF:F1 inet addr:192.168.0.1 Bcast:192.168.0.255 Mask:255.255.255.0 EtherTalk Phase 2 addr:65310/136 UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST MTU:1500 Metric:1 RX packets:298361 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:673 TX packets:282057 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0 collisions:357 lo Link encap:Local Loopback inet addr:127.0.0.1 Mask:255.0.0.0 EtherTalk Phase 2 addr:0/0 UP LOOPBACK RUNNING MTU:3924 Metric:1 RX packets:382 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0 TX packets:382 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0 collisions:0 could you diagnose something doctor ?? or point me on a new way to do ? thanks From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Tue Mar 13 06:08:45 2001 Return-Path: Received: from funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.27]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id GAA21736 for ; Tue, 13 Mar 2001 06:08:45 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id GAA01180 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Tue, 13 Mar 2001 06:08:38 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id GAA01155 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Tue, 13 Mar 2001 06:08:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.houston.rr.com ([24.93.35.226]) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id GAA01128 for ; Tue, 13 Mar 2001 06:08:36 -0500 (EST) Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2001 06:08:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail pickup service by mail.houston.rr.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 13 Mar 2001 04:58:12 -0600 Received: from murphy.debian.org ([216.234.231.6]) by mail.houston.rr.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.537.53); Wed, 18 Oct 2000 05:21:28 -0500 Received: (qmail 12081 invoked by uid 38); 18 Oct 2000 10:24:52 -0000 X-Envelope-Sender: m.brodbelt@acu.ac.uk Received: (qmail 12027 invoked from network); 18 Oct 2000 10:24:49 -0000 Received: from castor.acu.ac.uk (194.81.120.81) by murphy.debian.org with SMTP; 18 Oct 2000 10:24:49 -0000 Received: from acu.ac.uk (arcturus.acu.ac.uk [194.81.120.110]) by castor.acu.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA16299; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 11:22:15 +0100 Message-ID: <39ED79D6.54E4604@acu.ac.uk> Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 11:22:14 +0100 From: Mike Brodbelt X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mike Fedyk CC: Samba ML , Debian User List , Netatalk ML Subject: Re: Locking propigation probelm samba to netatalk & netatalk to samba References: <39ED5B50.C9E335@matchmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: debian-user@lists.debian.org X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113197 X-Loop: debian-user@lists.debian.org Precedence: list Resent-Sender: debian-user-request@lists.debian.org Mike Fedyk wrote: > > Take a look at this output from lsof: > smbd 11490 0 8u REG 3,3 55296 1136647 Maintenanc.fp5 > afpd 31010 0 2u REG 3,3 3207 1136655 auction - envelope.rtf > afpd 31010 0 5u REG 3,3 4156 1136656 Word Work File L 1 > afpd 31010 0 8u REG 3,3 55296 1136647 Maintenanc.fp5 > smbd 31386 0 9u REG 3,3 4156 1136656 Word Work File L 1 > > This is showing a rtf file open in word on mac and windows, both writable. I am > able to save on one while the other has the same file open. The information > isn't transferring between samba and netatalk. Locking works within samba and > within netatalk, meaning mac-mac locking conflicts are reported and smb-smb > locking conflicts are too. But if you have the same file open in windows and > mac, there isn't any warning! As I understand it, Samba 2.0.7 implements oplocks for windows clients, but those locks do not propagate to the underlying Unix system. This can cause locking problems with Unix apps and windows apps accessing the same files, which is essentially what you are seeing. Neither Netatalk or Samba have any idea that the file is locked by the other. One of the new features of Samba 2.2 is the mapping of oplocks to POSIX locks. From the release notes:- ======================================================== Rewritten internal locking semantics for more robustness. This alpha supports full 64 bit locking semantics on all (even 32 bit) platforms. SMB locks are mapped onto POSIX locks (32 bit or 64 bit) as the underlying system allows. ======================================================== This should mean that, assuming your undelying system supports POSIX locks, then Samba will have done its bit with regard to this. You still need Netatalk to honour the POSIX locks, and also to map Mac locks to POSIX locks to be able to use this sort of setup with impunity. I have no idea what the state of this sort of thing is within Netatalk - maybe someone on the Netatalk list will know this... I'd suggest that you make Mac and Windows users use different shares for write access. Allow both groups read-only access to the others shares, and if they need to edit a file, they can make a copy. Otherwise, you're probably in for large amounts of pain.... HTH Mike. -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe debian-user-request@lists.debian.org < /dev/null From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Tue Mar 13 06:09:43 2001 Return-Path: Received: from funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.27]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id GAA21762 for ; Tue, 13 Mar 2001 06:09:43 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id GAA03334 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Tue, 13 Mar 2001 06:09:36 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id GAA03319 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Tue, 13 Mar 2001 06:09:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.houston.rr.com ([24.93.35.226]) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id GAA03278 for ; Tue, 13 Mar 2001 06:09:34 -0500 (EST) Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2001 06:09:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail pickup service by mail.houston.rr.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 13 Mar 2001 04:57:55 -0600 Received: from murphy.debian.org ([216.234.231.6]) by mail.houston.rr.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.537.53); Wed, 18 Oct 2000 03:09:01 -0500 Received: (qmail 5803 invoked by uid 38); 18 Oct 2000 08:12:26 -0000 X-Envelope-Sender: mfedyk@matchmail.com Received: (qmail 5748 invoked from network); 18 Oct 2000 08:12:24 -0000 Received: from adsl-63-194-239-202.dsl.lsan03.pacbell.net (HELO gateway.matchmail.com) (63.194.239.202) by murphy.debian.org with SMTP; 18 Oct 2000 08:12:24 -0000 Received: from mmp132.matchmail.com (matchmail.com) [10.0.0.132] by gateway.matchmail.com with esmtp (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 13loKk-0000Nr-00; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 01:12:22 -0700 Message-ID: <39ED5B50.C9E335@matchmail.com> Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 01:12:00 -0700 From: Mike Fedyk X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.74 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Samba ML , Debian User List , Netatalk ML Subject: Locking propigation probelm samba to netatalk & netatalk to samba Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------497868722A60F14CF1944665" Resent-Message-ID: <51qGHB.A.gaB.ptV75@murphy> Resent-From: debian-user@lists.debian.org X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113180 X-Loop: debian-user@lists.debian.org Precedence: list Resent-Sender: debian-user-request@lists.debian.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------497868722A60F14CF1944665 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Take a look at this output from lsof: smbd 11490 0 8u REG 3,3 55296 1136647 Maintenanc.fp5 afpd 31010 0 2u REG 3,3 3207 1136655 auction - envelope.rtf afpd 31010 0 5u REG 3,3 4156 1136656 Word Work File L 1 afpd 31010 0 8u REG 3,3 55296 1136647 Maintenanc.fp5 smbd 31386 0 9u REG 3,3 4156 1136656 Word Work File L 1 This is showing a rtf file open in word on mac and windows, both writable. I am able to save on one while the other has the same file open. The information isn't transferring between samba and netatalk. Locking works within samba and within netatalk, meaning mac-mac locking conflicts are reported and smb-smb locking conflicts are too. But if you have the same file open in windows and mac, there isn't any warning! I've turned off oplocks, level 2 oplocks, kernel oplocks and turned on strict locking. Same difference. This is a Debian 2.2 box running 2.2.17 I am attaching my netatalk and samba configs. Please help! I'm getting corrupted files because of this. :( -- Mike Fedyk "They that can give up essential liberty Information Systems to obtain a little temporary safety Match Mail Productions Inc. deserve neither liberty nor safety." mfedyk@matchmail.com Ben Franklin --------------497868722A60F14CF1944665 Content-Type: application/x-gzip; name="config.tar.gz" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-Disposition: inline; filename="config.tar.gz" H4sIANNa7TkAA+1c/3PbNrLvr+JfgSqTl6QjUZK/yK1T586O69S92NFETtLXJJOhSEhiTRIs QdpW713/9vvsAqQo2T63r2kybx7hGZMEgQWwu9j9LEBoP00j+VpFRSy1G8ipV0T5Fx859Qf9 /nBr64u+SevXjcHO8Iv+zmBnc2N7e7Cxg/Kb29vDL0T/Y3fkplTo3MuE+CJT6j8O/K73/0fT PWGFLgots65OpR9OQ19cGJUQuRITKeRVqrJcBmKmxFxm0nXuiXweajENIyl8L6FC6kJmWRgE Ek8L4Zl3iRej2oP9mpo9ECJMUF0KUKFWH2gxV7EUQZhJP1fZgsibDoipymIv30VG6uVz8Zbo vRdvfU/LqYqCvSt6UIFMvZncW+BBpXmoEr33ayfq/PxevENNId56vi+13vM6f590/E6AcsGE CO7RPzylntaXKgv20vfOPfoTZQvCEqQu5CpSlxLaIkT3ieB7KqZ5lJpGNVHopBkHVeI6RZpW 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easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with SMTP id IAA18334 for ; Tue, 13 Mar 2001 08:18:09 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 19593 invoked by uid 500); 13 Mar 2001 13:18:04 -0000 Received: from localhost (sendmail-bs@127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 13 Mar 2001 13:18:04 -0000 Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2001 07:18:04 -0600 (CST) From: "Daniel E. Lautenschleger" To: Netatalk Mailing List Subject: Pre 4 and 5 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Okay, since Pre 4 and Pre 5 have issues relating to file perms and copy/delete problems on RH 7, what happened after 3 to cause these problems? Thanks. -Dan From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Tue Mar 13 08:29:44 2001 Return-Path: Received: from kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.25]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id IAA24266 for ; Tue, 13 Mar 2001 08:29:44 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id IAA06298 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Tue, 13 Mar 2001 08:29:44 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id IAA06292 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Tue, 13 Mar 2001 08:29:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from ns.srz-berlin.de (ns.srz-berlin.de [212.5.11.1]) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id IAA06247 for ; Tue, 13 Mar 2001 08:29:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from srz-berlin.de (gw.srz-berlin.de [212.5.11.2]) by ns.srz-berlin.de (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id OAA27026 for ; Tue, 13 Mar 2001 14:29:34 +0100 Sender: bringi@ns.srz-berlin.de Message-ID: <3AAE209C.AC477DFA@srz-berlin.de> Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2001 14:29:00 +0100 From: Axel Bringenberg Organization: Satz-Rechen-Zentrum Berlin - Systemgruppe (http://www.srz.de) X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [de] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.18 i686) X-Accept-Language: de-DE, en MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: Netatalk Mailing List Subject: Re: Pre 4 and 5 References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit "Daniel E. Lautenschleger" schrieb: > > Okay, since Pre 4 and Pre 5 have issues relating to file perms and > copy/delete problems on RH 7, what happened after 3 to cause these > problems? imho the problems are caused by a change in ./libatalk/adouble/ad_open.c from admode = ad_mode( ad_p, mode ); to admode = ad_mode( ad_p, O_RDWR ); Changing back to the original line solves the problem - at least for me. Regards. - Axel From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Tue Mar 13 10:07:32 2001 Return-Path: Received: from funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.27]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id KAA27732 for ; Tue, 13 Mar 2001 10:07:32 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id KAA26957 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Tue, 13 Mar 2001 10:07:25 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id KAA26897 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Tue, 13 Mar 2001 10:07:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from www.molbio.wisc.edu (www.molbio.wisc.edu [144.92.19.124]) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with SMTP id KAA26764 for ; Tue, 13 Mar 2001 10:07:22 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 19668 invoked by uid 500); 13 Mar 2001 15:07:22 -0000 Received: from localhost (sendmail-bs@127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 13 Mar 2001 15:07:22 -0000 Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2001 09:07:22 -0600 (CST) From: "Daniel E. Lautenschleger" To: Mike Brodbelt cc: Mike Fedyk , Samba ML , Debian User List , Netatalk ML Subject: Re: Locking propigation probelm samba to netatalk & netatalk to samba In-Reply-To: <39ED79D6.54E4604@acu.ac.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII This is the type of information many of us have been looking for with respect to Netatalk and Samba coexisting in a "friendly" matter. Many of the replies I received when originally asking whether the two behaved together basically stated that the biggest problem was a Windows user and a Netatalk user accessing the same file at the same time. Some of the other comments regarding Samba and Netatalk being used on the same share... Sorry about the long post, but this is pretty important to a lot of people. ----- I've been doing this for awhile. I have a stable netatalk/samba server at netatalk 1.4b2+asun. No trouble; unless my users aren't telling me. Read the mailing lists - there a --with-netatalk config time option (not in the build docs that I could see, but it was covered on the mailing list IIRC). --with-netatalk is currently an experimental hack, if I remember, it forces samba to move the .AppleDouble entries if a PC user moves files around from the PC (so as not to pooch appleshare side stuff). Don't know how reliable it is, I only included that option on the most recent server I config'd and it hasn't been tested thoroughly yet. ----- I've been researching this for a while, and the biggest problem I've seen is incompatible locking. Simultaneously opening a datafile from both a Samba connected PC and a Netatalk connected Mac can cause strange things to happen if they both try to modify the file. There are no errors, and the file can easily be corrupted. AFAIK the --with-netatalk in Samba does nothing. Unless something has been changed recently, it was a feature that was never finished. ---- The two seem to co-exist together pretty well. Rich made a few valid points with .AppleDouble files. However, there is one thing that you may want to bring up in regards to Windows and Linux users. You need to let them know that they can't create files greater than 32 characters or the Mac users won't be a able to see them. And you will get holy hell from your Mac users when they call you and day "Bob said that he put the file on the server, but I can't see it, is the server broken?" So, you may need to do some social engineering with your Windows and Linux users to make sure that they understand the limitation. They will forget about it anyway, so make sure you have them sign something. :-) Can you tell I've been an Admin for way too long? ---- There is some sort of enable-netatalk-compatibility (or something similar to that) option in Samba which is supposed to, I repeat *supposed to* make it easier for netatalk to understand the file types. But I've never tried it and I've heard some say that it doesn't work and they can't figure out what that feature is supposed to be for. Might be worth investigating, though. ---- On the other hand I had the oportunity to look pretty deep into samba's mechanisms and I never heard or read about any "netatalk compatibility" option though. So personnaly I would say go for it, but make sure of two things to avoid mac users coming at you complaining about generic icons and apps not launching: - first have your .AppleVolumes.system up to date so files coming from a PC (and without resources fork) are seen properly on macs. The .AppleVolume.system does that by "telling" files to assume such or such mac-identity according to their file extension. -second, you will have to somehow get the mac users into the habit of naming their files with an extension, so that they are seen properly on windows stations. And this is not easy, let me tell you that! ---- Make sure that you're running a version of netatalk that has working codepage support (the current snapshots are broken in this regard, AFAIK) if you want your users to use German umlauts and such in their filenames. Then you need to configure both Samba and Netatalk to use the same codepage. Current versions also have a mswindows options which disallows the creation of filenames containing the characters /\:*?"<>| which the PC can't deal with (my PC actually crashes when trying to access a file containing ':' that was created on the Mac). I'm still looking for a version of Netatalk that has _both_ working codepage support and a working mswindows option . . . which would really resolve all the problems we've had. The locking issue is another matter (see below in this thread). Interestingly, we haven't come across a single incident of this being a problem in about 6 months of running Netatalk/Samba in a Network with 10 Macs and 5 PCs. ----- Albeit better than the NON-EXISTANCE of shared locking between Samba/Netatalk (although the new Samba has a locking API, so theoretically any program can use its locking API to "stay safe" with Samba), NT/2k still do not lock well between the two platforms. There is no way to lock parts of a file, and write-locks don't exist, so both plats can simultaneously write to the same file and possibly corrupt it horribly. ---- To make Samba and Netatalk work together, it is a good plan to veto those files which are automagically created by Netatalk on the Samba side. My veto string looks like this: /.AppleDesktop/.AppleDouble/Network Trash Folder/TheVolumeSettingsFolder/TheFindByContentFolder/Temporary Items/lost+found/Folder Settings/.finf/ What I have not been able to figure out is how to veto Icon^M files. Does anybody know? ---- I wonder if collaboration between Netatalk folks and Samba folks could occur?! God, it would be sweet to have both coexist, eh! On Wed, 18 Oct 2000, Mike Brodbelt wrote: > > Mike Fedyk wrote: > > > > Take a look at this output from lsof: > > smbd 11490 0 8u REG 3,3 55296 1136647 Maintenanc.fp5 > > afpd 31010 0 2u REG 3,3 3207 1136655 auction - envelope.rtf > > afpd 31010 0 5u REG 3,3 4156 1136656 Word Work File L 1 > > afpd 31010 0 8u REG 3,3 55296 1136647 Maintenanc.fp5 > > smbd 31386 0 9u REG 3,3 4156 1136656 Word Work File L 1 > > > > This is showing a rtf file open in word on mac and windows, both writable. I am > > able to save on one while the other has the same file open. The information > > isn't transferring between samba and netatalk. Locking works within samba and > > within netatalk, meaning mac-mac locking conflicts are reported and smb-smb > > locking conflicts are too. But if you have the same file open in windows and > > mac, there isn't any warning! > > As I understand it, Samba 2.0.7 implements oplocks for windows clients, > but those locks do not propagate to the underlying Unix system. This can > cause locking problems with Unix apps and windows apps accessing the > same files, which is essentially what you are seeing. Neither Netatalk > or Samba have any idea that the file is locked by the other. > > One of the new features of Samba 2.2 is the mapping of oplocks to POSIX > locks. From the release notes:- > > ======================================================== > Rewritten internal locking semantics for more robustness. > This alpha supports full 64 bit locking semantics on all > (even 32 bit) platforms. SMB locks are mapped onto POSIX > locks (32 bit or 64 bit) as the underlying system allows. > ======================================================== > > This should mean that, assuming your undelying system supports POSIX > locks, then Samba will have done its bit with regard to this. You still > need Netatalk to honour the POSIX locks, and also to map Mac locks to > POSIX locks to be able to use this sort of setup with impunity. I have > no idea what the state of this sort of thing is within Netatalk - maybe > someone on the Netatalk list will know this... > > I'd suggest that you make Mac and Windows users use different shares for > write access. Allow both groups read-only access to the others shares, > and if they need to edit a file, they can make a copy. Otherwise, you're > probably in for large amounts of pain.... > > HTH > > Mike. > > > From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Tue Mar 13 10:56:40 2001 Return-Path: Received: from funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.27]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id KAA29328 for ; Tue, 13 Mar 2001 10:56:40 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id KAA06659 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Tue, 13 Mar 2001 10:56:32 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id KAA06590 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Tue, 13 Mar 2001 10:56:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from Mail.austin.rr.com ([24.93.35.225]) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id KAA06539 for ; Tue, 13 Mar 2001 10:56:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail pickup service by Mail.austin.rr.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 13 Mar 2001 09:43:05 -0600 Received: from sm4.texas.rr.com ([24.93.35.211]) by Mail.austin.rr.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.537.53); Tue, 6 Mar 2001 16:00:23 -0600 Received: from dolly2.pobox.com (spamsvr.pobox.com [208.210.124.100]) by sm4.texas.rr.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id f26M8X804848 for ; Tue, 6 Mar 2001 16:08:33 -0600 Received: from dolly2 (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dolly2.pobox.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D3C525E7E for ; Tue, 6 Mar 2001 17:08:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu [141.213.231.10]) by dolly2.pobox.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 38BE125E6F for ; Tue, 6 Mar 2001 17:08:18 -0500 (EST) Received: (from slist@localhost) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) id RAA23477; Tue, 6 Mar 2001 17:07:34 -0500 (EST) Resent-Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2001 17:07:34 -0500 (EST) User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/9.0.2509 Date: Tue, 06 Mar 2001 13:59:24 -0800 Subject: No server in chooser...newbie From: r a n d y // To: Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: netatalk-admins@umich.edu X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3937 X-Loop: netatalk-admins@umich.edu Precedence: list Resent-Sender: netatalk-admins-request@umich.edu I know this has probably been addressed about a million times. I just subscribed to the list and have been looking through the archive but still can't find a definitive solution to my problem. I can connect to my server using the IP but nothing shows up in chooser when I select AppleShare. Here's what I'm working with: FreeBSD 4.2-STABLE i386 2 10/100BT NIC (Kingston) dc0 & dc1 dc0 is connected to the net via PPPoE dc1 is connected to the MAC #> ifconfig -u dc0: flags=8843 mtu 1500 inet6 fe80::2c0:f0ff:fe5a:919a%dc0 prefixlen 64 scopeid 0x1 atalk 65280.223 range 65280-65534 phase 2 broadcast 0.255 ether 00:c0:f0:5a:91:9a media: autoselect (10baseT/UTP) status: active supported media: autoselect 100baseTX 100baseTX 10baseT/UTP 10baseT/UTP none dc1: flags=8843 mtu 1500 inet 192.168.100.1 netmask 0xffffff00 broadcast 192.168.100.255 inet6 fe80::2c0:f0ff:fe56:8d51%dc1 prefixlen 64 scopeid 0x2 ether 00:c0:f0:56:8d:51 media: autoselect (10baseT/UTP) status: active supported media: autoselect 100baseTX 100baseTX 10baseT/UTP 10baseT/UTP none The only modifications I have made to anyof the conf files was to AppleVolumes.system: # HOME /usr/share/muzak "MUZAK" # Shouldn't my second NIC (dc1) have an atalk address bound to it since that's what's connected to my MAC? I have tried changing atalkd.conf but it gets over-ridden when I reboot. I have read just about every file/doc/man on my system as well as most of the links found on asun's site. Any help would be greatly appreciated! Thanks, - randy ============================= r a n d y / sesser at mac.com From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Tue Mar 13 11:05:10 2001 Return-Path: Received: from kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.25]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id LAA29593 for ; Tue, 13 Mar 2001 11:05:10 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id LAA10685 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Tue, 13 Mar 2001 11:05:10 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id LAA10649 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Tue, 13 Mar 2001 11:05:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.hauptsache.net (www.hauptsache.net [195.88.44.25]) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id LAA10591 for ; Tue, 13 Mar 2001 11:05:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from PCNH (p3E9EAA09.dip.t-dialin.net [62.158.170.9]) by mail.hauptsache.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id QAA02058; Tue, 13 Mar 2001 16:47:28 +0100 Message-ID: <001d01c0abd7$9a004080$c0c8a8c0@haupsache.intra> From: "Nikolas Hagelstein" To: "Axel Bringenberg" Cc: References: <3AAE209C.AC477DFA@srz-berlin.de> Subject: Re: Pre 4 and 5 Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2001 15:07:30 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 > > Okay, since Pre 4 and Pre 5 have issues relating to file perms and > > copy/delete problems on RH 7, what happened after 3 to cause these > > problems? MDK7.2 also has the same problems > imho the problems are caused by a change in ./libatalk/adouble/ad_open.c > from > admode = ad_mode( ad_p, mode ); > to > admode = ad_mode( ad_p, O_RDWR ); May be this depends on the definiton of O_RDWR in /usr/include/bits/fcntl.h (which belongs to glibc-devel) on RH7 and MDK7.2 systems it is defined as 02... it seems as if O_RDWR is "ANDED" with the original mode which is a very bad thing if O_RWDR is set to 02... could someone who has no problems with pre4 and pre5 please tell me what O_RDWR is set to on his system ? thxn4ward, Nikolas From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Tue Mar 13 11:33:15 2001 Return-Path: Received: from funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.27]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id LAA00713 for ; Tue, 13 Mar 2001 11:33:15 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id LAA27062 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Tue, 13 Mar 2001 11:33:07 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id LAA27032 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Tue, 13 Mar 2001 11:33:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.austin.rr.com (sm1.texas.rr.com [24.93.35.54]) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id LAA26448 for ; Tue, 13 Mar 2001 11:33:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail pickup service by mail.austin.rr.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 13 Mar 2001 10:35:04 -0600 Received: from sm4.texas.rr.com ([24.93.35.211]) by mail.austin.rr.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.537.53); Tue, 6 Mar 2001 13:18:25 -0600 Received: from dolly2.pobox.com (spamsvr.pobox.com [208.210.124.100]) by sm4.texas.rr.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id f26JFnA14695 for ; Tue, 6 Mar 2001 13:15:49 -0600 Received: from dolly2 (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dolly2.pobox.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8FAFF25E8B for ; Tue, 6 Mar 2001 14:15:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu [141.213.231.10]) by dolly2.pobox.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0DFE725E79 for ; Tue, 6 Mar 2001 14:15:48 -0500 (EST) Received: (from slist@localhost) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) id OAA16517; Tue, 6 Mar 2001 14:10:54 -0500 (EST) Resent-Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2001 14:10:54 -0500 (EST) User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/9.0.2509 Date: Tue, 06 Mar 2001 20:02:05 +0100 Subject: Re: Bug? (not x-posted to devel): "/" in filename = "Type -50" error From: Jason Quigley To: Richard Michael , Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20010306132905.E11134@guardian.numbersixnetworks.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Sender: jason_quigley@terra.es Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: netatalk-admins@umich.edu X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3933 X-Loop: netatalk-admins@umich.edu Precedence: list Resent-Sender: netatalk-admins-request@umich.edu Hi Richard! When was the last time you upgraded the server? What version are you running? I don't have this problem saving from within apps or copying via the finder. I don't get this with folders either. My version is: netatalk-1.4.99-0.20001108 Cheers, Jason. On 6/3/01 19:29, "Richard Michael" wrote: > Hello, > > I'd consider this a bug; unless it's been well documented and I haven't > noticed. I've checked the docs section of sourceforge, the Linux > Netatalk HOWTO, and the Netatalk FAQ from 1.4b2. > The problem is that when a file on a Mac contains the "/" character, a > "Type -50" will be returned from the server. From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Tue Mar 13 12:25:35 2001 Return-Path: Received: from funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.27]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id MAA02278 for ; Tue, 13 Mar 2001 12:25:35 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id MAA13652 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Tue, 13 Mar 2001 12:25:27 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id MAA13633 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Tue, 13 Mar 2001 12:25:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from frank.gwc.org.uk (frank.gwc.org.uk [212.240.16.7]) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id MAA13554 for ; Tue, 13 Mar 2001 12:25:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (ali@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by frank.gwc.org.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA03429; Tue, 13 Mar 2001 17:25:28 GMT Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2001 17:25:28 +0000 (GMT) From: Alistair Riddell To: grobe@gmx.net cc: netatalk-admins@umich.edu Subject: Re: 1-gigabit-router for netatalk? In-Reply-To: <23567.981369077@www21.gmx.net> Message-ID: X-foo: bar MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII You haven't a hope in hell of getting anything like 1Gbps of throughput through a regular PC acting as a router. To get anything like wire speed you need a dedicated hardware router/switch, which uses specially designed ASICs to get that sort of throughput. With a PentiumPro you would probably get more like 100Mbps of throughput. Netatalk should be OK for the AppleTalk stuff but presumably most of the traffic will be IP which is handled solely by the kernel. On Mon, 5 Feb 2001 grobe@gmx.net wrote: > Hi there, > > I have a question concerning networking in general and in this special case > netatalk. > > We will split our network (about 100 clients, 80 are macs, and all are > getting data from a linux server) into 2 parts: one secure (for "service" and > backup) which isn't reachable from the internet, one open (the pool for the > students), which can be seen from the outside and takes the fileserver, which can > be accessed via ftp, smb and netatalk from the outside. These two parts are > linked by a machine which has two 1-GB-nics (to get full speed between the > switches of the two parts) and also acts as a firewall to the internet as well > as between the two network parts (as we don't want our users to access large > format printers in the closed network). > > So, I would like to hear your opinion if this configuration will be ok in > general (does the firewall, which is only filtering, not masquerading, take a > lot of cpu-power? will a 200mhz-pentiumpro be ok?) and with netatalk, which > isn't very tolerant in bad network configurations, as far as I know. We need > stable connections from our clients to the server, as we have a lot of very big > files in use. So, is any body using something like this router/firewall with > 1Gigabit and netatalk, or should we better take something prebuilt? -- Alistair Riddell - BOFH IT Support Department, George Watson's College, Edinburgh Tel: +44 131 447 7931 Ext 176 Fax: +44 131 452 8594 Microsoft - because god hates us From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Tue Mar 13 13:01:50 2001 Return-Path: Received: from kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.25]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id NAA02970 for ; Tue, 13 Mar 2001 13:01:50 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id NAA19701 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Tue, 13 Mar 2001 13:01:50 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id NAA19663 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Tue, 13 Mar 2001 13:01:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.euc.de (mail.euc.de [195.63.193.18]) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id NAA19588 for ; Tue, 13 Mar 2001 13:01:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from euc.de (euc-punktum.euc.de [195.63.193.116]) by mail.euc.de (8.9.3/8.9.3/SuSE Linux 8.9.3-0.1) with ESMTP id SAA00597; Tue, 13 Mar 2001 18:58:08 +0100 Message-ID: <3AAE5FB3.754927EA@euc.de> Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2001 18:58:11 +0100 From: Mac Conin Organization: EUC Online Service GmbH X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Alistair Riddell CC: grobe@gmx.net, netatalk-admins@umich.edu Subject: Re: 1-gigabit-router for netatalk? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu id NAA02970 I think Alistair is right. You should separate the two networks with a hardware-router/switch. Behind the switch you can place your firewall for securing the inner network. The CPU depend on the traffic getting through. A 200MHz IMHO should be the bottom level. Take a cheap Pentium II or III with 400/500MHz and at least 256MB RAM. Alistair Riddell wrote: > > You haven't a hope in hell of getting anything like 1Gbps of throughput > through a regular PC acting as a router. To get anything like wire speed > you need a dedicated hardware router/switch, which uses specially designed > ASICs to get that sort of throughput. With a PentiumPro you would probably > get more like 100Mbps of throughput. > > Netatalk should be OK for the AppleTalk stuff but presumably most of the > traffic will be IP which is handled solely by the kernel. > > On Mon, 5 Feb 2001 grobe@gmx.net wrote: > > > Hi there, > > > > I have a question concerning networking in general and in this special case > > netatalk. > > > > We will split our network (about 100 clients, 80 are macs, and all are > > getting data from a linux server) into 2 parts: one secure (for "service" and > > backup) which isn't reachable from the internet, one open (the pool for the > > students), which can be seen from the outside and takes the fileserver, which can > > be accessed via ftp, smb and netatalk from the outside. These two parts are > > linked by a machine which has two 1-GB-nics (to get full speed between the > > switches of the two parts) and also acts as a firewall to the internet as well > > as between the two network parts (as we don't want our users to access large > > format printers in the closed network). > > > > So, I would like to hear your opinion if this configuration will be ok in > > general (does the firewall, which is only filtering, not masquerading, take a > > lot of cpu-power? will a 200mhz-pentiumpro be ok?) and with netatalk, which > > isn't very tolerant in bad network configurations, as far as I know. We need > > stable connections from our clients to the server, as we have a lot of very big > > files in use. So, is any body using something like this router/firewall with > > 1Gigabit and netatalk, or should we better take something prebuilt? > > -- > Alistair Riddell - BOFH > IT Support Department, George Watson's College, Edinburgh > Tel: +44 131 447 7931 Ext 176 Fax: +44 131 452 8594 > Microsoft - because god hates us -- --schnipp-- mit freundlichen grüssen ----------------------------------------------------------- Mac Conin EUC Online Service GmbH Geschäftsführer Taubengasse 9 mconin@euc.de D 50676 Koeln http://www.euc.de HRB Köln 32038 tel : +49-221-923 27 33 fax : +49-221-239 651 ----------------------------------------------------------- EUC sponsort Clean up Cologne - eine Iniative der IHK Köln, der Abfallwirtschaftsbetriebe Köln (AWB) und dem Grünflächenamt der Stadt Köln. http://www.clean-up-cologne.de From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Tue Mar 13 15:52:20 2001 Return-Path: Received: from easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.26]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id PAA08133 for ; Tue, 13 Mar 2001 15:52:20 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id PAA10240 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Tue, 13 Mar 2001 15:52:20 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id PAA10174 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Tue, 13 Mar 2001 15:52:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from trinity.magpage.com (trinity.magpage.com [216.155.0.8]) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id PAA10086 for ; Tue, 13 Mar 2001 15:52:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from [216.155.36.73] ([216.155.36.73]) by trinity.magpage.com (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id f2DKqEF17676 for ; Tue, 13 Mar 2001 15:52:14 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: ryannm@mail.magpage.com Message-Id: Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2001 15:56:24 -0500 To: netatalk-admins@umich.edu From: Ryan McBeth Subject: Access privileges Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" I just installed the RPM of netatalk-1.5pre5 on an i386, and I just ran up against a problem. When I try to move a file onto the mounted netatalk volume, I'm getting a :"You do not have enough access privileges" error. Does anyone know what the problem could be? Ryan __________________________________ Ryan McBeth Systems Administrator, Mobius New Media Voice: (302) 475-9880 x11 FAX: (302) 475-9894 www.mobiusnm.com __________________________________ The secret to not getting burned out is to play at working hard, and not taking things too seriously. - Linus Torvalds From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Tue Mar 13 15:56:34 2001 Return-Path: Received: from kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.25]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id PAA08253 for ; Tue, 13 Mar 2001 15:56:34 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id PAA07520 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Tue, 13 Mar 2001 15:56:34 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id PAA07500 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Tue, 13 Mar 2001 15:56:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.iu13.k12.pa.us (mail.iu13.k12.pa.us [204.171.195.51]) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id PAA07423 for ; Tue, 13 Mar 2001 15:56:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from pegmatite.iu13.k12.pa.us (pegmatite.iu13.k12.pa.us [172.19.5.97]) by mail.iu13.k12.pa.us (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA10223; Tue, 13 Mar 2001 15:56:24 -0500 Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by pegmatite.iu13.k12.pa.us with ESMTP id f2DKuNh01358; Tue, 13 Mar 2001 15:56:23 -0500 Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2001 15:56:23 -0500 (EST) From: "Kevin M. Myer" To: "Daniel E. Lautenschleger" cc: Mike Brodbelt , Mike Fedyk , Samba ML , Debian User List , Netatalk ML Subject: Re: Locking propigation probelm samba to netatalk & netatalk to samba In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 13 Mar 2001, Daniel E. Lautenschleger wrote: > This is the type of information many of us have been looking for with > respect to Netatalk and Samba coexisting in a "friendly" matter. Many of > the replies I received when originally asking whether the two behaved > together basically stated that the biggest problem was a Windows user and > a Netatalk user accessing the same file at the same time. > > Some of the other comments regarding Samba and Netatalk being used on the > same share... Sorry about all the CC's: on this message. I posted on this subject awhile back, the subject was something like "The facts about Samba and netatalk" - search the archives. To summarize: the --with-netatalk option in Samba does _NOTHING_, except enable a few #ifdefs in the samba code, which do....nothing. There was experimental wrapper functions for .AppleDouble support written up in 1998 but the hooks were never placed in the runtime code to actually use these functions. There's no code whatsoever written to deal with cooperative locking and as far as I know, netatalk and samba use incompatible lock types. Also, as far as I know, the only real degree of integration with Samba is to specify, in the smb.conf file, to block the viewing of netatalk metafiles (.AppleDouble, etc.) and to allow deletion of the netatalk meta files when a directory is being deleted (otherwise the delete will return a directory not empty errno). I requested that the samba folks remove the --with-netatalk config option and the unused libatalk.c code since its only causing confusion and propagation of misinformation over mailing lists (I myself thought it was actually doing things as well for awhile, until I ran some tests and checked the source code). I haven't checked the code lately to see if this was actually accomplished. There was no interest from the samba folks to impliment this, judging from the zero replies I got regarding updating the netatalk support. I floated a question to see if anyone on the netatalk list was interested in it and got a few responses from others who had posed the same question with generally the same ideas but nothing ever materialized from their posts or from mine. So I think for the time being, unless someone changes the locking mechanism used with netatalk, its safe to say that using netatalk and samba together is a calculated risk, i.e. you run the risk that a Mac and a Windows machine will have open the same file and can then easily corrupt it at worse or whoever saves last will get their changes saved at best. Incidentally, I also reported a problem with the --enable-flock-locks configure option with the 1.5preX series. Samba aside, just enabling that broke netatalk's locking mechanism, at least under kernel 2.2.X on Linux. I never got a confirmation that this was a widespread problem, although it occured on three machines I tested here. However, I noticed that its commented out in the latest 1.5-pre5 RPM .spec file so > ---- > > I wonder if collaboration between Netatalk folks and Samba folks could > occur?! > > God, it would be sweet to have both coexist, eh! Yes, it would be. Have samba be aware of netatalk meta-files and have netatalk use samba's locking mechanism. That would equal a fully cooperative SMB and AppleShare file share volume on a robust operating system, something that currently can't be said for NT and Services for Macintosh. If anyone has an update on anything I've listed, I'd really like to hear about it (i.e. if you are working on implimenting samba/netatalk interoperability or if you have more info on locking problems). Thanks, Kevin -- Kevin M. Myer Systems Administrator Lancaster-Lebanon Intermediate Unit 13 (717)-560-6140 From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Tue Mar 13 16:18:30 2001 Return-Path: Received: from kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.25]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id QAA09116 for ; Tue, 13 Mar 2001 16:18:30 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id QAA11239 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Tue, 13 Mar 2001 16:18:29 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id QAA11220 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Tue, 13 Mar 2001 16:18:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from rakete.joerdens.de ([62.104.116.200]) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id QAA11167 for ; Tue, 13 Mar 2001 16:18:27 -0500 (EST) Received: (from frank@localhost) by rakete.joerdens.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA11691; Tue, 13 Mar 2001 22:17:59 +0100 Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2001 22:17:59 +0100 From: Frank Joerdens To: "Kevin M. Myer" Cc: "Daniel E. Lautenschleger" , Mike Brodbelt , Mike Fedyk , Samba ML , Debian User List , Netatalk ML Subject: Re: Locking propigation probelm samba to netatalk & netatalk to samba Message-ID: <20010313221759.A11597@rakete.joerdens.de> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii User-Agent: Mutt/1.1.2i In-Reply-To: ; from kevin_myer@iu13.k12.pa.us on Tue, Mar 13, 2001 at 03:56:23PM -0500 X-Subliminal-Message: Use Linux! Use Linux! On Tue, Mar 13, 2001 at 03:56:23PM -0500, Kevin M. Myer wrote: [ . . . ] > > If anyone has an update on anything I've listed, I'd really like to hear > about it (i.e. if you are working on implimenting samba/netatalk > interoperability or if you have more info on locking problems). I don't have more info on the locking issue except that I find it rather remarkable that it has not caused _any_ problem whatsoever in about 6 months+ of operation in a Samba/Netatalk environment that's fairly heavily used (about a dozen macs and a handful of PCs accessing one Linux box with about 100 GB shared space). This means that from my experience at least, the locking issue is only the worst problem in theory. My pet peeves are codepages and mswindows options not working together (a Netatalk issue), and vetoing with certain files that contain metacharacters such as '^M' or '?' (a Samba issue), e.g. Icon files that are somethimes created with certain files by Netatalk and which are still visible to the PCs. What I'm wondering is: Isn't the whole issue becoming somewhat moot with Mac OS X which has NFS support, and a flat filesystem to boot? Regards, Frank From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Wed Mar 14 02:15:19 2001 Return-Path: Received: from easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.26]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id CAA21042 for ; Wed, 14 Mar 2001 02:15:19 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id CAA27316 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Wed, 14 Mar 2001 02:15:19 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id CAA27290 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Wed, 14 Mar 2001 02:15:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from postal.interaccess.com (from.interaccess.com [207.208.131.20]) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id CAA27244 for ; Wed, 14 Mar 2001 02:15:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from [192.168.1.118] (a10.240.208.207.ded25.interaccess.com [207.208.240.10]) by postal.interaccess.com (8.10.2/8.10.2) with ESMTP id f2E7FGk09135 for ; Wed, 14 Mar 2001 01:15:16 -0600 (CST) User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 01:14:29 -0600 Subject: Re: The item "..." cannot be written, because it is locked. From: "Bruce A. Burdick, Jr." To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit I have this same issue on 1.5pre5 on a LinuxPPC 2000 Q4 PowerMac 7300 (binary built with rpm --rebuild, then installed with rpm -i). Additionally, copying files to the server creates an empty file despite the warning. And deleting files results in a privileges warning -- but the files trash anyway. And emptying the trash does not succeed. But dismounting and remounting the volume, after such a sequence, shows the files were indeed deleted. _But_ not for directories containing (empty) files: the files must be trashed first (producing the false warnings) and then the empty directory may be trashed. The good news: I can now do encrypted logins! Can't wait until the rest works smoothly. Keep up the good work fellas! -B... > From: John G Dorsey > Date: Fri, 02 Mar 2001 16:06:00 -0500 > To: netatalk-admins@umich.edu > Subject: The item "..." cannot be written, because it is locked. > Resent-From: netatalk-admins@umich.edu > Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2001 16:17:35 -0500 (EST) > > Hello, > > I'm running netatalk 1.5pre4 on a Linux box, with a MacOS 9.0.4 client. I've > observed that I can create directories in volumes mounted from the Linux box > on the MacOS client, but when I attempt to copy a file from the client to > the mounted volume, I get: > > The item "" cannot be written, because it is locked. > Do you want to continue? > > In perusing the archives of this list, I've come across several references > to incorrect permissions, particularly on the .AppleDouble directory. I > haven't had much luck in choosing various owners, groups, and modes for the > files and directories which are being exported. (Even mode 777 doesn't seem > to change anything.) The most recent traffic to this effect in the web > archive appears to be from 15 Jan 2001, but I don't think there was a > resolution posted. > > May I ask for suggestions as to likely culprits? > > Thanks! > -jd > From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Wed Mar 14 02:24:19 2001 Return-Path: Received: from kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.25]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id CAA21199 for ; Wed, 14 Mar 2001 02:24:18 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id CAA25574 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Wed, 14 Mar 2001 02:24:18 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id CAA25550 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Wed, 14 Mar 2001 02:24:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from neuman.interaccess.com (from.interaccess.com [207.208.131.20]) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id CAA25521 for ; Wed, 14 Mar 2001 02:24:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from [192.168.1.118] (a10.240.208.207.ded25.interaccess.com [207.208.240.10]) by neuman.interaccess.com (8.10.2/8.10.2) with ESMTP id f2E7OGU13804 for ; Wed, 14 Mar 2001 01:24:16 -0600 (CST) User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 01:23:29 -0600 Subject: Re: The item "..." cannot be written, because it is locked. From: "Bruce A. Burdick, Jr." To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit My home directory: drwx------ 17 userme userme 4096 Mar 14 01:03 . drwxr-xr-x 6 root root 4096 Mar 6 11:28 .. drwx------ 2 userme userme 4096 Mar 14 01:00 .AppleDouble -rw------- 1 userme userme 0 Mar 6 12:05 .ICEauthority drwxr-xr-x 6 userme userme 4096 Mar 6 11:28 Desktop drwx--Srwx 6 userme userme 4096 Mar 14 01:03 Network Trash Folder drwxrwsrwx 3 userme userme 4096 Mar 14 00:41 TheVolumeSettingsFolder drwx------ 3 userme userme 4096 Mar 6 11:59 nsmail -B... > From: Bruce A. Burdick, Jr. > Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 01:14:29 -0600 > To: > Subject: Re: The item "..." cannot be written, because it is locked. > > I have this same issue on 1.5pre5 on a LinuxPPC 2000 Q4 PowerMac 7300 (binary > built with rpm --rebuild, then installed with rpm -i). Additionally, copying > files to the server creates an empty file despite the warning. And deleting > files results in a privileges warning -- but the files trash anyway. And > emptying the trash does not succeed. But dismounting and remounting the > volume, after such a sequence, shows the files were indeed deleted. _But_ not > for directories containing (empty) files: the files must be trashed first > (producing the false warnings) and then the empty directory may be trashed. > > The good news: I can now do encrypted logins! Can't wait until the rest works > smoothly. Keep up the good work fellas! > > -B... > >> From: John G Dorsey >> Date: Fri, 02 Mar 2001 16:06:00 -0500 >> To: netatalk-admins@umich.edu >> Subject: The item "..." cannot be written, because it is locked. >> Resent-From: netatalk-admins@umich.edu >> Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2001 16:17:35 -0500 (EST) >> >> Hello, >> >> I'm running netatalk 1.5pre4 on a Linux box, with a MacOS 9.0.4 client. I've >> observed that I can create directories in volumes mounted from the Linux box >> on the MacOS client, but when I attempt to copy a file from the client to >> the mounted volume, I get: >> >> The item "" cannot be written, because it is locked. >> Do you want to continue? >> >> In perusing the archives of this list, I've come across several references >> to incorrect permissions, particularly on the .AppleDouble directory. I >> haven't had much luck in choosing various owners, groups, and modes for the >> files and directories which are being exported. (Even mode 777 doesn't seem >> to change anything.) The most recent traffic to this effect in the web >> archive appears to be from 15 Jan 2001, but I don't think there was a >> resolution posted. >> >> May I ask for suggestions as to likely culprits? >> >> Thanks! >> -jd >> From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Wed Mar 14 06:19:36 2001 Return-Path: Received: from kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.25]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id GAA24942 for ; Wed, 14 Mar 2001 06:19:36 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id GAA19108 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Wed, 14 Mar 2001 06:19:36 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id GAA19089 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Wed, 14 Mar 2001 06:19:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from jump.tangro.de (cray-ymp.tangro.de [193.155.17.164]) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id GAA19040 for ; Wed, 14 Mar 2001 06:19:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from [193.155.17.160] (whizz.tangro.de [193.155.17.160]) by jump.tangro.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA23556; Wed, 14 Mar 2001 12:18:56 +0100 (CET) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: hf@mail.tangro.de (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20010313221759.A11597@rakete.joerdens.de> References: <20010313221759.A11597@rakete.joerdens.de> Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 12:18:53 +0100 To: Frank Joerdens From: Hauke Fath Subject: Re: Locking propigation probelm samba to netatalk & netatalk to samba Cc: "Kevin M. Myer" , "Daniel E. Lautenschleger" , Mike Brodbelt , Mike Fedyk , Samba ML , Debian User List , Netatalk ML Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" At 22:17 Uhr +0100 13.03.2001, Frank Joerdens wrote: >What I'm wondering is: Isn't the whole issue becoming somewhat moot with >Mac OS X which has NFS support, and a flat filesystem to boot? Just about when the last "Classic" MacOS machine leaves the shop. I.e.: "Not yet." And, while NFS may be supported by X, I have not come across a statement that it is going to be the preferred filesharing mechanism. hauke -- Hauke Fath tangro software components GmbH D-69115 Heidelberg hf@tangro.de Ruf +49-6221-13336-0, Fax -21 From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Wed Mar 14 06:25:32 2001 Return-Path: Received: from kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.25]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id GAA25025 for ; Wed, 14 Mar 2001 06:25:31 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id GAA28818 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Wed, 14 Mar 2001 06:25:31 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id GAA28798 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Wed, 14 Mar 2001 06:25:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from max.hkust.se (max.hkust.se [194.18.100.146]) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id GAA28745 for ; Wed, 14 Mar 2001 06:25:29 -0500 (EST) Received: (from stone@localhost) by max.hkust.se (8.11.0/8.11.0) id f2EBPOh18060 for netatalk-admins@umich.edu; Wed, 14 Mar 2001 12:25:24 +0100 Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 12:25:24 +0100 From: Magnus Stenman To: netatalk-admins@umich.edu Subject: pre5 permissions, anyone solved it yet? Message-ID: <20010314122524.B17304@hkust.se> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i I got the same weirdo permission problems as a lot of people have been seeing, is there a fix (pre6 maybe) since it seems to be a showstopper on at least a lot of RedHat 6.x and 7.x systems? Files copied to the netatalk volume show up as 0-byte sized, both the actual file and its .AppleDouble counterpart Is it some problem with the uam module getting strange uid/gid:s for the files to create? Log entries: Mar 13 19:13:13 lakrits afpd[5150]: uam: uams_dhx.so loaded Mar 13 19:13:13 lakrits afpd[5150]: uam: "DHCAST128" available ... Mar 13 19:14:38 lakrits afpd[5170]: dhx login: mskankweb Mar 13 19:14:38 lakrits afpd[5170]: uams_dhx_pam.c :PAM: PAM Success -- Interrupted system call Mar 13 19:14:38 lakrits PAM_pwdb[5170]: (netatalk) session opened for user mskankweb by (uid=0) Mar 13 19:14:38 lakrits afpd[5170]: uams_dhx_pam.c :PAM: PAM Auth OK!: (null) -- Inappropriate ioctl for device Mar 13 19:14:38 lakrits afpd[5170]: login mskankweb (uid 882, gid 889) Mar 13 19:14:41 lakrits afpd[5170]: setdirowner: chown 16777216/-1 .AppleDouble/.Parent: Operation not permitted Mar 13 19:14:41 lakrits afpd[5170]: setdirowner: chown 16777216/-1 .AppleDouble: Operation not permitted Mar 13 19:14:41 lakrits afpd[5170]: setdirowner: chown 16777216/-1 .: Operation not permitted Mar 13 19:14:41 lakrits afpd[5170]: setdirowner: chown -1/0 .AppleDouble/.Parent: Operation not permitted Mar 13 19:14:41 lakrits afpd[5170]: setdirowner: chown 16777216/-1 .AppleDouble/.Parent: Operation not permitted Mar 13 19:14:41 lakrits afpd[5170]: setdirowner: chown 16777216/-1 .AppleDouble: Operation not permitted Mar 13 19:14:41 lakrits afpd[5170]: setdirowner: chown 16777216/-1 .: Operation not permitted Mar 13 19:14:41 lakrits afpd[5170]: setdirowner: chown -1/0 .AppleDouble/.Parent: Operation not permitted /magnus -- Magnus Stenman mailto:stone@hkust.se http://www.hkust.se Get it up, keep it up. Linux -- Viagra for your PC From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Wed Mar 14 07:10:17 2001 Return-Path: Received: from kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.25]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id HAA25586 for ; Wed, 14 Mar 2001 07:10:17 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id HAA10778 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Wed, 14 Mar 2001 07:10:16 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id HAA10744 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Wed, 14 Mar 2001 07:10:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from trinity.magpage.com (trinity.magpage.com [216.155.0.8]) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id HAA10712 for ; Wed, 14 Mar 2001 07:10:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from [216.155.36.73] ([216.155.36.73]) by trinity.magpage.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id f2EC9iX36993 for ; Wed, 14 Mar 2001 07:09:59 -0500 (EST) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: ryannm@mail.magpage.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 07:13:57 -0500 To: netatalk-admins@umich.edu From: Ryan McBeth Subject: Re: The item "..." cannot be written, because it is locked. Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" That's *exactly* the same problem that I'm having. A popup Message gives me a permission error but then a file with 0 bytes is created. I *know* my permissions are right because I have the same setup on a machine running Netatalk 1.4b2+asun2.1.1 (the distro we had before the coup and move to Sourceforge). I'm just glad that I didn't test this out on a production machine - I would have been fired if all of my users suddenly couldn't drop and use files. Is the solution to this to keep going backwards in releases until we reach one that works well with the file permissions? Ryan > (binary > > built with rpm --rebuild, then installed with rpm -i). >Additionally, copying > > files to the server creates an empty file despite the warning. And deleting > > files results in a privileges warning -- but the files trash anyway. And > > emptying the trash does not succeed. But dismounting and remounting the > > volume, after such a sequence, shows the files were indeed >deleted. _But_ not > > for directories containing (empty) files: the files must be trashed first __________________________________ Ryan McBeth Systems Administrator, Mobius New Media Voice: (302) 475-9880 x11 FAX: (302) 475-9894 www.mobiusnm.com __________________________________ The secret to not getting burned out is to play at working hard, and not taking things too seriously. - Linus Torvalds From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Wed Mar 14 08:16:57 2001 Return-Path: Received: from funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.27]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id IAA26804 for ; Wed, 14 Mar 2001 08:16:57 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id IAA22226 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Wed, 14 Mar 2001 08:16:50 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id IAA22196 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Wed, 14 Mar 2001 08:16:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from Ceres.digitalgraphics.net (digitalgraphics.net [216.133.71.226]) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id IAA22150 for ; Wed, 14 Mar 2001 08:16:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from cx448422-b.wwck1.ri.home.com (cx448422-b.wwck1.ri.home.com [24.18.198.105]) by Ceres.digitalgraphics.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id IAA50317 for ; Wed, 14 Mar 2001 08:41:53 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from leeb@digitalgraphics.net) To: netatalk-admins@umich.edu (Netatalk List) Subject: Where to get netatalk? From: leeb@digitalgraphics.net (Lee Blevins) Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 08:16:52 -0500 Message-ID: <1eq92y6.1dlsg96r1mkcgM@cx448422-b.wwck1.ri.home.com> Organization: Digital Graphics, Inc. User-Agent: MacSOUP/2.4 (unregistered for 50 days) I can't find any link to the asun version of netatalk. Unfortunately, I lost my prefs for my ftp client which had the last location for it. Could someone point me in the right direction to where it's being kept these days? Thanks in advance. Lee Blevins From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Wed Mar 14 08:27:15 2001 Return-Path: Received: from easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.26]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id IAA26987 for ; Wed, 14 Mar 2001 08:27:15 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id IAA24634 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Wed, 14 Mar 2001 08:27:15 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id IAA24609 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Wed, 14 Mar 2001 08:27:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from trinity.magpage.com (trinity.magpage.com [216.155.0.8]) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id IAA24568 for ; Wed, 14 Mar 2001 08:27:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from [216.155.36.73] ([216.155.36.73]) by trinity.magpage.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id f2EDRCZ56521 for ; Wed, 14 Mar 2001 08:27:12 -0500 (EST) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: ryannm@mail.magpage.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <1eq92y6.1dlsg96r1mkcgM@cx448422-b.wwck1.ri.home.com> References: <1eq92y6.1dlsg96r1mkcgM@cx448422-b.wwck1.ri.home.com> Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 08:31:30 -0500 To: netatalk-admins@umich.edu From: Ryan McBeth Subject: Re: Where to get netatalk? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Lee, http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=8642 Is a good place for the new ones. http://www.anders.com/projects/netatalk/ For the old ones. Ryan >I can't find any link to the asun version of netatalk. > >Unfortunately, I lost my prefs for my ftp client which had the last >location for it. > >Could someone point me in the right direction to where it's being kept >these days? > >Thanks in advance. > >Lee Blevins __________________________________ Ryan McBeth Systems Administrator, Mobius New Media Voice: (302) 475-9880 x11 FAX: (302) 475-9894 www.mobiusnm.com __________________________________ The secret to not getting burned out is to play at working hard, and not taking things too seriously. - Linus Torvalds From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Wed Mar 14 09:08:19 2001 Return-Path: Received: from kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.25]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id JAA27767 for ; Wed, 14 Mar 2001 09:08:19 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id JAA22760 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Wed, 14 Mar 2001 09:08:19 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id JAA22734 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Wed, 14 Mar 2001 09:08:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from hobbiton.shire.net (frogmorton.shire.net [204.228.145.136]) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id JAA22601 for ; Wed, 14 Mar 2001 09:08:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from [216.64.45.172] (helo=[192.168.99.123]) by hobbiton.shire.net with esmtp (Exim 2.04 #5) id 14dBwN-0002K5-00 for netatalk-admins@umich.edu; Wed, 14 Mar 2001 07:07:51 -0700 Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 08:59:55 -0500 From: "Chad Leigh, Objectwerks, Inc." Reply-To: chad@objectwerks.com To: netatalk-admins@umich.edu Subject: Re: The item "..." cannot be written, because it is locked. Message-ID: <1012885106.984560395@[192.168.99.123]> In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Mulberry/2.0.5 (Win32) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Just for the record, the same happened to me on FreeBSD 4.2 intel with this release... --On Wednesday, March 14, 2001 1:14 AM -0600 "Bruce A. Burdick, Jr." wrote: > I have this same issue on 1.5pre5 on a LinuxPPC 2000 Q4 PowerMac 7300 > (binary built with rpm --rebuild, then installed with rpm -i). > Additionally, copying files to the server creates an empty file despite > the warning. And deleting files results in a privileges warning -- but > the files trash anyway. And emptying the trash does not succeed. But > dismounting and remounting the volume, after such a sequence, shows the > files were indeed deleted. _But_ not for directories containing (empty) > files: the files must be trashed first (producing the false warnings) and > then the empty directory may be trashed. > From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Wed Mar 14 10:54:46 2001 Return-Path: Received: from kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.25]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id KAA29807 for ; Wed, 14 Mar 2001 10:54:46 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id KAA06399 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Wed, 14 Mar 2001 10:54:46 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id KAA06376 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Wed, 14 Mar 2001 10:54:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from research.dfci.harvard.edu (research.dfci.harvard.edu [155.52.50.28]) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id KAA06349 for ; Wed, 14 Mar 2001 10:54:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from [155.52.50.27] (account mht4 HELO research.dfci.harvard.edu) by research.dfci.harvard.edu (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 3.4.2) with ESMTP id 460465; Wed, 14 Mar 2001 10:57:58 -0500 Sender: mht4@research.dfci.harvard.edu Message-ID: <3AAF9448.35BF6286@research.dfci.harvard.edu> Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 10:54:48 -0500 From: testing roaming Reply-To: mht@research.dfci.harvard.edu Organization: Dana Farber Cancer Institute X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.16-22 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Hauke Fath CC: Netatalk ML Subject: Re: Locking propigation probelm samba to netatalk & netatalk tosamba References: <20010313221759.A11597@rakete.joerdens.de> Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------A092CD17B548839CE10865E3" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------A092CD17B548839CE10865E3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hauke, I've been living with various appleshare servers for more than a decade -- implementations from Pacer software on VMS (gasp) and Unix, CAP, Netatalk. Several vendors attempted implementations of what they called "NFS/Share" or something like that. All, as I recall, were horrendously slow -- not for file transfer but for duirectory scanning. This was explained to me as having to do with the way in which Appleshare get's to know what is in subdirectories and required single iterative calls to find out what was there -- very bad if your directory has a few thousand files. I don't know if this is a technical issue that can't be overcome, but it seemed not to be trivial. I believe they all disappeared. Are any still around that you know of? Matthew Temple Hauke Fath wrote: > > At 22:17 Uhr +0100 13.03.2001, Frank Joerdens wrote: > > >What I'm wondering is: Isn't the whole issue becoming somewhat moot with > >Mac OS X which has NFS support, and a flat filesystem to boot? > > Just about when the last "Classic" MacOS machine leaves the shop. > I.e.: "Not yet." > > And, while NFS may be supported by X, I have not come across a > statement that it is going to be the preferred filesharing mechanism. > > hauke > > -- > Hauke Fath tangro software components GmbH > D-69115 Heidelberg > hf@tangro.de Ruf +49-6221-13336-0, Fax -21 -- ============================================================= Matthew Temple Tel: 617/632-2597 Director, Research Computing Fax: 617/632-4012 Dana-Farber Cancer Institute mht@research.dfci.harvard.edu 44 Binney Street, Smith 345 http://research.dfci.harvard.edu Boston, MA 02115 Choice is the Choice! ============================================================= --------------A092CD17B548839CE10865E3 Content-Type: text/x-vcard; charset=us-ascii; name="mht.vcf" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: Card for testing roaming Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="mht.vcf" begin:vcard n:Temple;Matthew tel;cell:617/512-2216 tel;fax:617/632-4012 tel;work:617/632-2597 x-mozilla-html:FALSE url:http://research.dfci.harvard.edu org:Dana Farber Cancer Institute adr:;;44 Binney Street, Smith 345;Boston;MA;02115;USA version:2.1 email;internet:mht@research.dfci.harvard.edu title:Director, Research Computing x-mozilla-cpt:;1 fn:Matthew Temple end:vcard --------------A092CD17B548839CE10865E3-- From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Wed Mar 14 10:59:36 2001 Return-Path: Received: from funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.27]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id KAA29880 for ; Wed, 14 Mar 2001 10:59:36 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id KAA13459 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Wed, 14 Mar 2001 10:59:29 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id KAA13329 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Wed, 14 Mar 2001 10:59:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from univrel.pr.uconn.edu (univrel.pr.uconn.edu [137.99.59.30]) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id KAA12146 for ; Wed, 14 Mar 2001 10:59:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from univrel.pr.uconn.edu (test.pr.uconn.edu [137.99.59.90]) by univrel.pr.uconn.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id EAA02524; Wed, 14 Mar 2001 04:58:40 -0500 Sender: root@univrel.pr.uconn.edu Message-ID: <3AAF4A32.2CA4CFA8@univrel.pr.uconn.edu> Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 05:38:42 -0500 From: jeff X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.17-21mdksmp i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Axel Bringenberg CC: netatalk-admins@umich.edu, netatalk-devel@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: Pre 4 and 5 References: <3AAE209C.AC477DFA@srz-berlin.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Axel Bringenberg wrote: > > "Daniel E. Lautenschleger" schrieb: > > > > Okay, since Pre 4 and Pre 5 have issues relating to file perms and > > copy/delete problems on RH 7, what happened after 3 to cause these > > problems? > > imho the problems are caused by a change in ./libatalk/adouble/ad_open.c > from > admode = ad_mode( ad_p, mode ); > to > admode = ad_mode( ad_p, O_RDWR ); > Changing back to the original line solves the problem - at least for me. Enough people have pointed this one out that I've moved it back to "mode" in the CVS tree. Thanks, jeff From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Wed Mar 14 11:38:42 2001 Return-Path: Received: from funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.27]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id LAA01062 for ; Wed, 14 Mar 2001 11:38:42 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id LAA14242 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Wed, 14 Mar 2001 11:38:35 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id LAA14122 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Wed, 14 Mar 2001 11:38:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from trinity.magpage.com (trinity.magpage.com [216.155.0.8]) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id LAA13656 for ; Wed, 14 Mar 2001 11:38:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from [216.155.36.73] ([216.155.36.73]) by trinity.magpage.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id f2EGcHZ57659; Wed, 14 Mar 2001 11:38:17 -0500 (EST) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: ryannm@mail.magpage.com Message-Id: Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 11:42:33 -0500 To: netatalk-devel@lists.sourceforge.net, netatalk-admins@umich.edu From: Ryan McBeth Subject: "Locked File" problems and solution? Cc: netatalk-admins@umich.edu Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Like most of the group knows, a few of us have been talking about the errors (well, that's too harsh, anomalies) with locked files and permissions. My company's new server is a Dell running Red Hat Linux version 7.0 (with liberally applied patches). When I installed the RPM for Netatalk 1.5pre5, I kept getting an error whenever I dropped a file onto a netatalk directory. The error would say that I didn't have the proper permissions. But then the file would be created on the server with a size of 0 bytes. Another error was "Cannot create because this file is locked" and the same thing would happen. So I removed 1.5pre5 and installed 1.5pre4 Same problem. Then I removed 1.5pre4 and installed 1.5pre3 Same problem. So I installed the RPM for 1.4.99-0.20001108. Everything looks like it's working so far. So this might solve the problem, or at least fix it temporarily until we can figure out what is wrong with 1.5pre5 . What happened between 1.4.99-0.20001108 and 1.5pre3 that did this? Is it only happening on machines running Red Hat Linux 7.0? Ryan __________________________________ Ryan McBeth Systems Administrator, Mobius New Media Voice: (302) 475-9880 x11 FAX: (302) 475-9894 www.mobiusnm.com __________________________________ The secret to not getting burned out is to play at working hard, and not taking things too seriously. - Linus Torvalds From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Wed Mar 14 11:44:48 2001 Return-Path: Received: from kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.25]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id LAA01176 for ; Wed, 14 Mar 2001 11:44:48 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id LAA25370 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Wed, 14 Mar 2001 11:44:48 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id LAA25331 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Wed, 14 Mar 2001 11:44:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from vampire.lavielle.com (vampire.lavielle.com [194.64.21.10]) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id LAA25271 for ; Wed, 14 Mar 2001 11:44:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.bauer.com ([194.233.182.111]) by vampire.lavielle.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA07307 for ; Wed, 14 Mar 2001 17:44:44 +0100 (MET) Received: from hbv.de (hjebsen.bauer.com [172.28.28.42]) by mail.bauer.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED4B75D2 for ; Wed, 14 Mar 2001 17:44:38 +0100 (MET) Sender: root@hbv.de Message-ID: <3AAF9FF7.22F3CA61@hbv.de> Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 17:44:39 +0100 From: Henning Jebsen X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.74 [de] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.16 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: netatalk-admins@umich.edu Subject: Routing ? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu id LAA01176 Hi Folks ! I got some networks in our LAN. My Client is in 172.28.28 My netatalk Server is in 172.28.27 They can“ t see each other... All other IP-Services between those two nets are routed, ping works, traceroute works, samba, and so on. I have configured AFP over TCP/IP. What I have to do, to let the clients see the AFP Server, if it is another network ?? If server / client is in the same net, all services can be reached... I think, I am having no routing problem, because AFP goes over TCP/IP... But where is the problem ?? Thank you ! From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Wed Mar 14 11:54:54 2001 Return-Path: Received: from easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.26]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id LAA01361 for ; Wed, 14 Mar 2001 11:54:54 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id LAA03697 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Wed, 14 Mar 2001 11:54:54 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id LAA03683 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Wed, 14 Mar 2001 11:54:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from hobbiton.shire.net (frogmorton.shire.net [204.228.145.136]) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id LAA03619 for ; Wed, 14 Mar 2001 11:54:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from [216.64.45.172] (helo=[192.168.99.123]) by hobbiton.shire.net with esmtp (Exim 2.04 #5) id 14dEWn-0002wz-00; Wed, 14 Mar 2001 09:53:37 -0700 Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 11:46:36 -0500 From: "Chad Leigh, Objectwerks, Inc." Reply-To: chad@objectwerks.com To: Ryan McBeth cc: netatalk-devel@lists.sourceforge.net, netatalk-admins@umich.edu Subject: Re: "Locked File" problems and solution? Message-ID: <1022885466.984570396@[192.168.99.123]> In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Mulberry/2.0.5 (Win32) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline --On Wednesday, March 14, 2001 11:42 AM -0500 Ryan McBeth wrote: > What happened between 1.4.99-0.20001108 and 1.5pre3 that did this? Is > it only happening on machines running Red Hat Linux 7.0? No, it happens on FreeBSD 4.2 as well... Chad From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Wed Mar 14 12:01:36 2001 Return-Path: Received: from easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.26]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id MAA01640 for ; Wed, 14 Mar 2001 12:01:36 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id MAA14061 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Wed, 14 Mar 2001 12:01:36 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id MAA14036 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Wed, 14 Mar 2001 12:01:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from potsdam.edu (potsdam.edu [137.143.110.101]) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with SMTP id MAA13977 for ; Wed, 14 Mar 2001 12:01:33 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 22079 invoked by alias); 14 Mar 2001 17:01:39 -0000 Received: (qmail 22063 invoked by uid 0); 14 Mar 2001 17:01:38 -0000 Received: from comp10574.potsdam.edu (HELO potsdam.edu) (137.143.111.133) by potsdam.edu with SMTP; 14 Mar 2001 17:01:38 -0000 Message-ID: <3AAFA4A1.FE0B948B@potsdam.edu> Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 12:04:33 -0500 From: Matthew Keller X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Ryan McBeth CC: netatalk-devel@lists.sourceforge.net, netatalk-admins@umich.edu Subject: Re: [Netatalk-devel] "Locked File" problems and solution? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Ryan McBeth wrote: > Is it only happening on machines running Red Hat Linux 7.0? Nope... All sorts of BSDs and Linuxes. :) -- Matthew Keller Enterprise Systems Analyst Computing & Technology Services Information Services Division State University of New York at Potsdam Website: http://mattwork.potsdam.edu/ PGP: http://mattwork.potsdam.edu/crypto/ From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Wed Mar 14 12:20:09 2001 Return-Path: Received: from funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.27]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id MAA02119 for ; Wed, 14 Mar 2001 12:20:09 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id MAA18243 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Wed, 14 Mar 2001 12:20:02 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id MAA18202 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Wed, 14 Mar 2001 12:20:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from www.molbio.wisc.edu (www.molbio.wisc.edu [144.92.19.124]) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with SMTP id MAA18098 for ; Wed, 14 Mar 2001 12:19:59 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 20540 invoked by uid 500); 14 Mar 2001 17:20:02 -0000 Received: from localhost (sendmail-bs@127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 14 Mar 2001 17:20:02 -0000 Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 11:20:01 -0600 (CST) From: "Daniel E. Lautenschleger" To: Netatalk Mailing List Subject: Try this one... Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII ftp://mirror.sit.wisc.edu/pub/linux/distributions/redhat/beta/wolverine/en/powertools/i386/RedHat/RPMS/netatalk-1.5pre2-4.i386.rpm I have no clue where this "pre2" came from, but it works well on my RH 7 box. -Dan From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Wed Mar 14 12:37:29 2001 Return-Path: Received: from funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.27]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id MAA02434 for ; Wed, 14 Mar 2001 12:37:29 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id MAA15687 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Wed, 14 Mar 2001 12:37:22 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id MAA15627 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Wed, 14 Mar 2001 12:37:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from clavin.interaccess.com (from.interaccess.com [207.208.131.20]) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id MAA15324 for ; Wed, 14 Mar 2001 12:37:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from [192.168.1.118] (a10.240.208.207.ded25.interaccess.com [207.208.240.10]) by clavin.interaccess.com (8.10.2/8.10.2) with ESMTP id f2EHbA113293; Wed, 14 Mar 2001 11:37:10 -0600 (CST) User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 11:36:22 -0600 Subject: Re: TkChooser development From: "Bruce A. Burdick, Jr." To: CC: , Ethan Gold Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Ethan Gold was kind enough to respond to my inquiry about his TkChooser package. I thought some of you might be interested in what he has to say. And thankfully, he's permitted me to forward our discussion. I hope that will reach the right pair(s) of eyes! -B... ________________________________________________________________ absolutely, bruce. I've posted there in the past, but it's been a couple years now. I'd love to get that problem finally solved. -E --------------------------------------- | http://www.cs.columbia.edu/~etgold/ | | finger etgold@cs.columbia.edu for pgp | --------------------------------------- On Wed, 14 Mar 2001, Bruce A. Burdick, Jr. wrote: > From: Bruce A. Burdick, Jr. > Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 10:24:20 -0600 > To: Ethan Gold > Subject: Re: TkChooser development > > Thanks for the great reply Ethan. Sorry to hear that the project is dormant. > Would you mind if I post this exchange to the netatalk list? Things have > really picked up with that project; and there have been a few mentions of > interest in a AppleShare client for Linux. I'll bet if a few of the list > members knew a little more about your project the AppleTalk mounting might get > resolved. > > -B... > >> From: Ethan Gold >> Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 10:46:59 -0500 >> To: "Bruce A. Burdick, Jr." >> Cc: etgold@apteryx.cs.columbia.edu >> Subject: Re: TkChooser development >> >> Hi Bruce, >> I haven't worked on tkchooser much because I'm not really on a >> mac-heavy network anymore (kinda sad about that). There is one >> severe failing of the package: you can't mount appletalk volumes >> with it. It works pretty well as a centralized printing client/setup >> app for appletalk printers, and it works well for using SMB shares, >> printers, etc. The reason it can't mount appleshare volumes is that >> the only working appleshare client is badly designed and will not >> let you list the available shared volumes on the server, so there's >> no way for tkchooser to be the front-end for it. you'd just end up >> typing a full path into a text widget, which is pointless. When that >> gets fixed I'll finish that side of tkchooser. But the interest in >> doing so seems very low. I've emailed the maintainer, but it's been >> awhile. >> as for the status of the project, let's say it's dormant rather >> than defunct. >> >> -E >> >>> I've been digging for AppleShare client for Linux/BSD, and just found your >>> site. But I noticed that a fairly busy development cycle ended a year ago. >>> What's the status of your project? >>> >>> -B... From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Wed Mar 14 13:08:36 2001 Return-Path: Received: from easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.26]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id NAA02993 for ; Wed, 14 Mar 2001 13:08:36 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id NAA00279 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Wed, 14 Mar 2001 13:08:36 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id NAA00227 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Wed, 14 Mar 2001 13:08:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from oxygenetic.com (oxygenetic.com [209.203.235.126]) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id NAA00193 for ; Wed, 14 Mar 2001 13:08:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from athlon (212-100-182-4.adsl.easynet.be [212.100.182.4]) by oxygenetic.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id TAA17234 for ; Wed, 14 Mar 2001 19:08:29 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <028d01c0acb1$ca978390$0200a8c0@athlon> From: "Bruno Waes" To: Subject: invisibel directory ? Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 19:08:35 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 on the linux box, in a directory that is a netatalk volume, i have two directories, owned by the same user, both directories have the same permissions ... and both have a couple of .txt files in them. when i look at the volume from a mac, i can only see 1 of these two subdirectories ???? i restarted netatalk, i removed the .AppleDouble directories (in the subdirectory that isnt visible on the mac no .AppleDouble directory gets created ...) but with no luck, one of these two similar directories is not visible to the macs ... any ideas ? From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Wed Mar 14 13:23:17 2001 Return-Path: Received: from kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.25]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id NAA03382 for ; Wed, 14 Mar 2001 13:23:17 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id NAA26555 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Wed, 14 Mar 2001 13:23:17 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id NAA26534 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Wed, 14 Mar 2001 13:23:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from gekko.i-clue.de (server.ms-agentur.de [62.153.134.194]) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id NAA26454 for ; Wed, 14 Mar 2001 13:23:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from i-clue.de (automatix.i-clue.de [192.168.0.112]) by gekko.i-clue.de (8.9.3/8.9.3/SuSE Linux 8.9.3-0.1) with ESMTP id UAA01976; Wed, 14 Mar 2001 20:29:53 +0100 Message-ID: <3AAFB76D.6C6A12AF@i-clue.de> Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 19:24:45 +0100 From: Christoph Sold Reply-To: so@server.i-clue.de X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [de] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: de MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Bruno Waes CC: netatalk-admins@umich.edu Subject: Re: invisibel directory ? References: <028d01c0acb1$ca978390$0200a8c0@athlon> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Bruno Waes schrieb: > > on the linux box, in a directory that is a netatalk volume, i have two > directories, owned by the same user, both directories have the same > permissions ... and both have a couple of .txt files in them. > > when i look at the volume from a mac, i can only see 1 of these two > subdirectories ???? > > i restarted netatalk, i removed the .AppleDouble directories (in the > subdirectory that isnt visible on the mac no .AppleDouble directory gets > created ...) but with no luck, one of these two similar directories is not > visible to the macs ... > > any ideas ? Show us the ls -lr output of those directories. -Christoph Sold From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Wed Mar 14 13:30:38 2001 Return-Path: Received: from kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.25]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id NAA03671 for ; Wed, 14 Mar 2001 13:30:38 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id NAA07639 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Wed, 14 Mar 2001 13:30:38 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id NAA07627 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Wed, 14 Mar 2001 13:30:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.haque.net (viper.haque.net [64.0.249.226]) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id NAA07589 for ; Wed, 14 Mar 2001 13:30:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from viper.haque.net (IDENT:mhaque@viper.haque.net [64.0.249.226]) by mail.haque.net (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id f2EIUVE11199; Wed, 14 Mar 2001 13:30:31 -0500 Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 13:30:31 -0500 (EST) From: "Mohammad A. Haque" To: Ryan McBeth cc: , Subject: Re: [Netatalk-devel] "Locked File" problems and solution? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Same problem under rh 6.2. However I've done a lot of updates and maybe I kicked something to the version that 7.0 has. On Wed, 14 Mar 2001, Ryan McBeth wrote: > What happened between 1.4.99-0.20001108 and 1.5pre3 that did > this? Is it only happening on machines running Red Hat Linux 7.0? > -- ===================================================================== Mohammad A. Haque http://www.haque.net/ mhaque@haque.net "Alcohol and calculus don't mix. Project Lead Don't drink and derive." --Unknown http://wm.themes.org/ batmanppc@themes.org ===================================================================== From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Wed Mar 14 13:48:15 2001 Return-Path: Received: from funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.27]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id NAA04196 for ; Wed, 14 Mar 2001 13:48:15 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id NAA29726 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Wed, 14 Mar 2001 13:48:08 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id NAA29669 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Wed, 14 Mar 2001 13:48:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from trinity.magpage.com (trinity.magpage.com [216.155.0.8]) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id NAA29252 for ; Wed, 14 Mar 2001 13:48:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from [216.155.36.73] ([216.155.36.73]) by trinity.magpage.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id f2EIlvZ37579 for ; Wed, 14 Mar 2001 13:47:57 -0500 (EST) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: ryannm@mail.magpage.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3AAFB76D.6C6A12AF@i-clue.de> References: <028d01c0acb1$ca978390$0200a8c0@athlon> <3AAFB76D.6C6A12AF@i-clue.de> Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 13:52:15 -0500 To: netatalk-admins@umich.edu From: Ryan McBeth Subject: Re: invisibel directory ? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Are the files or folder over 32 characters? Could that be why the Mac isn't seeing them? Ryan >Bruno Waes schrieb: > > > > on the linux box, in a directory that is a netatalk volume, i have two > > directories, owned by the same user, both directories have the same > > permissions ... and both have a couple of .txt files in them. > > > > when i look at the volume from a mac, i can only see 1 of these two > > subdirectories ???? > > > > i restarted netatalk, i removed the .AppleDouble directories (in the > > subdirectory that isnt visible on the mac no .AppleDouble directory gets > > created ...) but with no luck, one of these two similar directories is not > > visible to the macs ... > > > > any ideas ? > >Show us the ls -lr output of those directories. > >-Christoph Sold __________________________________ Ryan McBeth Systems Administrator, Mobius New Media Voice: (302) 475-9880 x11 FAX: (302) 475-9894 www.mobiusnm.com __________________________________ The secret to not getting burned out is to play at working hard, and not taking things too seriously. - Linus Torvalds From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Wed Mar 14 14:01:03 2001 Return-Path: Received: from kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.25]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id OAA04527 for ; Wed, 14 Mar 2001 14:01:03 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id OAA23615 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Wed, 14 Mar 2001 14:01:02 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id OAA23597 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Wed, 14 Mar 2001 14:01:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from bigglesworth.mail.be.easynet.net (bigglesworth.mail.be.easynet.net [212.100.160.67]) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id OAA23533 for ; Wed, 14 Mar 2001 14:01:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from 212-100-182-4.adsl.easynet.be ([212.100.182.4] helo=athlon) by bigglesworth.mail.be.easynet.net with smtp (Exim 3.16 #1) id 14dGW2-00068S-00; Wed, 14 Mar 2001 20:00:58 +0100 Message-ID: <02a701c0acb9$1f241700$0200a8c0@athlon> From: "Bruno Waes" To: Cc: References: <028d01c0acb1$ca978390$0200a8c0@athlon> <3AAFB76D.6C6A12AF@i-clue.de> Subject: Re: invisibel directory ? Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 20:01:05 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Christoph Sold" To: "Bruno Waes" > > on the linux box, in a directory that is a netatalk volume, i have two > > directories, owned by the same user, both directories have the same > > permissions ... and both have a couple of .txt files in them. > > > > when i look at the volume from a mac, i can only see 1 of these two > > subdirectories ???? > > > > i restarted netatalk, i removed the .AppleDouble directories (in the > > subdirectory that isnt visible on the mac no .AppleDouble directory gets > > created ...) but with no luck, one of these two similar directories is not > > visible to the macs ... > > > > any ideas ? > > Show us the ls -lr output of those directories. internetserver:/mnt/large/inkomende_ftp# ls -lr total 8 drwxrwxrwx 2 ftpuser ftpuser 4096 Mar 14 18:12 test - testing- Grafisch bureau Testing drwxrwxrwx 3 ftpuser ftpuser 4096 Mar 14 19:12 print - Printing Industries here you are.. bruno ps: netatalk 1.4b2+asun2.1.3-6 on debian i386 2.2.18pre21 From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Wed Mar 14 15:33:50 2001 Return-Path: Received: from funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.27]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id PAA06940 for ; Wed, 14 Mar 2001 15:33:50 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id PAA04374 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Wed, 14 Mar 2001 15:33:43 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id PAA29375 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Wed, 14 Mar 2001 15:30:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from cliff.unet.brandeis.edu (cliff.unet.brandeis.edu [129.64.99.34]) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id PAA24665 for ; Wed, 14 Mar 2001 15:26:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from squirrel (IDENT:karelsf@squirrel.bio.brandeis.edu [129.64.50.7]) by cliff.unet.brandeis.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/UNet2.0) with ESMTP id PAA27163; Wed, 14 Mar 2001 15:26:52 -0500 Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 15:26:52 -0500 (EST) From: Steven Karel X-Sender: To: , Bruno Waes Subject: Re: invisibel directory ? In-Reply-To: <02a701c0acb9$1f241700$0200a8c0@athlon> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 14 Mar 2001, Bruno Waes wrote: > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Christoph Sold" > To: "Bruno Waes" > > > > i restarted netatalk, i removed the .AppleDouble directories (in the > > > subdirectory that isnt visible on the mac no .AppleDouble directory gets > > > created ...) but with no luck, one of these two similar directories is > not > > > visible to the macs ... > > > > > > any ideas ? > > > > Show us the ls -lr output of those directories. > > > internetserver:/mnt/large/inkomende_ftp# ls -lr > total 8 > drwxrwxrwx 2 ftpuser ftpuser 4096 Mar 14 18:12 test - testing- > Grafisch bureau Testing > drwxrwxrwx 3 ftpuser ftpuser 4096 Mar 14 19:12 print - Printing > Industries > You can't see the first directory above because its name is more than 31 characters long. From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Wed Mar 14 17:16:53 2001 Return-Path: Received: from funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.27]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id RAA10209 for ; Wed, 14 Mar 2001 17:16:53 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id RAA06283 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Wed, 14 Mar 2001 17:16:46 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id RAA06248 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Wed, 14 Mar 2001 17:16:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from VL-MS-MR001.sc1.videotron.ca (relais.videotron.ca [24.201.245.36]) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id RAA05867 for ; Wed, 14 Mar 2001 17:16:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from fnac.net ([24.201.28.2]) by VL-MS-MR001.sc1.videotron.ca (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with ESMTP id GA7KIE01.BFO; Wed, 14 Mar 2001 17:15:50 -0500 Sender: marco@fnac.net Message-ID: <3AAFEC31.B75A1E75@fnac.net> Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 17:09:53 -0500 From: marco a X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [fr] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.17-14 i586) X-Accept-Language: fr, fr-CA, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: netatalk-admins@umich.edu Subject: HELP please ! ! Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I've posted this last week, perhaps there was no enough traffic on the list scuse me if redundant... +++++++++++++++++++++++ Hi, i just put eth1 in my atalkd.conf file, i have eth0 plugged on the external network and eth1 on the internal one, with 2 macs (g3-macOS9.1, g4-macOS9.1) and the linuxbox with netatalk-1.4b2+asun2.1.3-22 installed I start atalkd... 10'' and the name "laptop" appears in the chooser, i can connect to the linux box, good ! 20'' later when i relaunch the chooser for any reason, there is no "laptop" in the chooser, and the led is flashing continuously, I can connect with it just by the ip number When I to stop here is the message: [ root@laptop init.d]# ./atalk stop Shutting down AppleTalk services: Can't unregister laptop:Workstation@* Can't unregister laptop:netatalk@* appletalk: Device or resource busy the atalkd.conf was filled by herself : eth1 -phase 2 -net 65280-65534 addr 65280.0 ifconfig gives : [root@laptop init.d]# /sbin/ifconfig eth0 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 00:10:4B:DE:57:84 inet addr:24.201.28.100 Bcast:24.201.28.255 Mask:255.255.255.0 UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST MTU:1500 Metric:1 RX packets:38833 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0 TX packets:48214 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0 collisions:58 eth1 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 00:E0:98:83:CF:F1 inet addr:192.168.0.1 Bcast:192.168.0.255 Mask:255.255.255.0 EtherTalk Phase 2 addr:65310/136 UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST MTU:1500 Metric:1 RX packets:298361 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:673 TX packets:282057 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0 collisions:357 lo Link encap:Local Loopback inet addr:127.0.0.1 Mask:255.0.0.0 EtherTalk Phase 2 addr:0/0 UP LOOPBACK RUNNING MTU:3924 Metric:1 RX packets:382 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0 TX packets:382 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0 collisions:0 could you diagnose something doctor ?? or point me on a new way to do ? thanks From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Wed Mar 14 17:36:46 2001 Return-Path: Received: from easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.26]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id RAA10819 for ; Wed, 14 Mar 2001 17:36:46 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id RAA00938 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Wed, 14 Mar 2001 17:36:46 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id RAA00898 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Wed, 14 Mar 2001 17:36:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from smart.visp-europe.psi.com (smart.visp-europe.psi.com [212.222.105.5]) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id RAA00848 for ; Wed, 14 Mar 2001 17:36:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from ns11-n67-109.de.inter.net ([213.73.67.109] helo=athlet.deltaman.de) by smart.visp-europe.psi.com with esmtp (Exim 3.22 #1) id 14dJso-0004aD-00 for netatalk-admins@umich.edu; Wed, 14 Mar 2001 23:36:42 +0100 Received: from athlet (root@athlet.deltaman.de [192.168.1.254]) by athlet.deltaman.de (8.9.3/8.9.3/SuSE Linux 8.9.3-0.1) with SMTP id XAA22798 for ; Wed, 14 Mar 2001 23:35:41 +0100 From: Carsten Neumann Reply-To: deltor@snafu.de To: netatalk-admins@umich.edu Subject: Re: invisibel directory ? Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 23:29:26 +0100 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.0.28] Content-Type: text/plain References: <028d01c0acb1$ca978390$0200a8c0@athlon> <3AAFB76D.6C6A12AF@i-clue.de> <02a701c0acb9$1f241700$0200a8c0@athlon> In-Reply-To: <02a701c0acb9$1f241700$0200a8c0@athlon> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <01031423354102.20048@athlet> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu id RAA10819 On Wed, 14 Mar 2001, Bruno Waes wrote: [snip] > internetserver:/mnt/large/inkomende_ftp# ls -lr > total 8 > drwxrwxrwx 2 ftpuser ftpuser 4096 Mar 14 18:12 test - testing- > Grafisch bureau Testing > drwxrwxrwx 3 ftpuser ftpuser 4096 Mar 14 19:12 print - Printing > Industries "test - testing-Grafisch bureau Testing" ? That's the name of the directory? Have you heard of a 31 Char. limit of Mac files? 8-) But it's just some test of test-testing. ;-] I Think that tells everything! Regards Carsten From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Wed Mar 14 19:06:09 2001 Return-Path: Received: from kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.25]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id TAA12888 for ; Wed, 14 Mar 2001 19:06:09 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id TAA20568 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Wed, 14 Mar 2001 19:06:09 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id TAA20541 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Wed, 14 Mar 2001 19:06:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from dante.kinkaid.org (dante.kinkaid.org [207.80.142.250]) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id TAA20464 for ; Wed, 14 Mar 2001 19:06:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from [172.16.70.70] (cmorillo.kinkaid.org [172.16.70.70]) by dante.kinkaid.org (8.10.2/8.10.2) with ESMTP id f2F05e714821; Wed, 14 Mar 2001 18:05:40 -0600 User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.01 (1630) Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 18:05:41 -0600 Subject: Re: HELP please ! ! From: C To: marco a , Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <3AAFEC31.B75A1E75@fnac.net> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit on 3/14/01 4:09 PM, marco a at marc.angles1@fnac.net wrote: > I've posted this last week, perhaps there was no enough traffic on the > list > scuse me if redundant... > +++++++++++++++++++++++ > Hi, > i just put eth1 in my atalkd.conf file, i have eth0 plugged on the > external network and eth1 on the internal one, > with 2 macs (g3-macOS9.1, g4-macOS9.1) and the linuxbox with > netatalk-1.4b2+asun2.1.3-22 installed > I start atalkd... 10'' and the name "laptop" appears in the chooser, i > can connect to the linux box, good ! > 20'' later when i relaunch the chooser for any reason, there is no > "laptop" in the chooser, and the led is flashing continuously, > I can connect with it just by the ip number > When I to stop here is the message: > [ > root@laptop init.d]# ./atalk stop > Shutting down AppleTalk services: Can't unregister laptop:Workstation@* > Can't unregister laptop:netatalk@* > appletalk: Device or resource busy > could you diagnose something doctor ?? > or point me on a new way to do ? > thanks If you are using a laptop, then I'm assuming you are using PCMCIA cards for networking. I think I remember reading some place that in order for the AppleTalk protocol to work correctly on some NICS, you had to turn on promiscous mode on that eth interface. -- C. From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Wed Mar 14 19:44:27 2001 Return-Path: Received: from funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.27]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id TAA14024 for ; Wed, 14 Mar 2001 19:44:27 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id TAA22050 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Wed, 14 Mar 2001 19:44:20 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id TAA22016 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Wed, 14 Mar 2001 19:44:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from Ceres.digitalgraphics.net (digitalgraphics.net [216.133.71.226]) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id TAA21977 for ; Wed, 14 Mar 2001 19:44:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from cx448422-b.wwck1.ri.home.com (cx448422-b.wwck1.ri.home.com [24.18.198.105]) by Ceres.digitalgraphics.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id UAA51109 for ; Wed, 14 Mar 2001 20:09:22 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from leeb@digitalgraphics.net) To: netatalk-admins@umich.edu (Netatalk List) In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: Where to get netatalk? From: leeb@digitalgraphics.net (Lee Blevins) Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 19:44:29 -0500 Message-ID: <1eq9yg0.96cgia1b0jcq8M@cx448422-b.wwck1.ri.home.com> Organization: Digital Graphics, Inc. User-Agent: MacSOUP/2.4 (unregistered for 51 days) Are these the asun versions? > Lee, > > http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=8642 > > Is a good place for the new ones. > > http://www.anders.com/projects/netatalk/ > > For the old ones. > > Ryan > From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Wed Mar 14 19:58:42 2001 Return-Path: Received: from funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.27]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id TAA14241 for ; Wed, 14 Mar 2001 19:58:42 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id TAA20645 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Wed, 14 Mar 2001 19:58:35 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id TAA20609 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Wed, 14 Mar 2001 19:58:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from potsdam.edu (potsdam.edu [137.143.110.101]) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with SMTP id TAA20503 for ; Wed, 14 Mar 2001 19:58:33 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 21641 invoked by alias); 15 Mar 2001 00:58:47 -0000 Received: (qmail 21627 invoked by uid 0); 15 Mar 2001 00:58:46 -0000 Received: from comp10574.potsdam.edu (HELO potsdam.edu) (137.143.111.133) by potsdam.edu with SMTP; 15 Mar 2001 00:58:46 -0000 Message-ID: <3AB01474.75321B25@potsdam.edu> Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 20:01:40 -0500 From: Matthew Keller X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Lee Blevins CC: Netatalk List Subject: Re: Where to get netatalk? References: <1eq9yg0.96cgia1b0jcq8M@cx448422-b.wwck1.ri.home.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Asun's patches have been incorporated into the main development tree (1.5). Lee Blevins wrote: > > Are these the asun versions? > > > Lee, > > > > http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=8642 > > > > Is a good place for the new ones. > > > > http://www.anders.com/projects/netatalk/ > > > > For the old ones. > > > > Ryan > > -- Matthew Keller Enterprise Systems Analyst Computing & Technology Services Information Services Division State University of New York at Potsdam Website: http://mattwork.potsdam.edu/ PGP: http://mattwork.potsdam.edu/crypto/ From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Thu Mar 15 04:08:49 2001 Return-Path: Received: from easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.26]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id EAA23255 for ; Thu, 15 Mar 2001 04:08:48 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id EAA10007 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Thu, 15 Mar 2001 04:08:48 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id EAA09981 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Thu, 15 Mar 2001 04:08:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from altersack.local.wg28.de (pD9014946.dip.t-dialin.net [217.1.73.70]) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id EAA09824 for ; Thu, 15 Mar 2001 04:08:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from burner ([192.168.0.3]) by altersack.local.wg28.de (8.9.3/8.9.3/SuSE Linux 8.9.3-0.1) with SMTP id LAA25769 for ; Thu, 15 Mar 2001 11:12:35 +0100 Message-ID: <004601c0ad30$c4c73940$0300a8c0@local.wg28.de> From: "Filip Lyncker" To: Subject: Multiple Ehternetdevices With Netatalk Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 10:17:32 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0043_01C0AD39.25B16DE0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0043_01C0AD39.25B16DE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable HI !=20 To increase my network performance , I built 3 ethernetcards in my = linuxbox. ( with my softraidsystem now 3 users can make transfers with = 100 mbit ) but now the Apples got problems to mount the share. When I try to mount = the servershare by ip adress, im not shure if the apple is using still = the same=20 if was beeing restarted. Another problem is , that the Apples wont = auto-remount all of the volumes. When I do that manually, I get the = error " the name is allready in use" . Ok so long , now I tried to edit = the afpd.conf to configure more servers ( filesrv1, filesrv2, filesrv3 ) = I gave each of them another Ip and another port. Now AppleOS wasnt able = to restart, it allways hung while starting. It seems that it still wasnt = able to differentiate the servers. So , what can I do ???=20 Thanks for help=20 Fil ------=_NextPart_000_0043_01C0AD39.25B16DE0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
HI !
 
To increase my network performance , I = built 3=20 ethernetcards in my linuxbox. ( with my softraidsystem now 3 users can = make=20 transfers with 100 mbit )
but now the Apples got problems to = mount the share.=20 When I try to mount the servershare by ip adress, im not shure if the = apple is=20 using still the same
if was beeing restarted. Another = problem is ,=20 that the Apples wont auto-remount all of the volumes. When I do that = manually, I=20 get the error " the name is allready in use" . Ok so long , now I tried = to edit=20 the afpd.conf to configure more servers ( filesrv1, filesrv2, filesrv3 ) = I gave=20 each of them another Ip and another port. Now AppleOS wasnt able to = restart, it=20 allways hung while starting. It seems that it still wasnt able to = differentiate=20 the servers.
 
So , what can I do ???
 
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------=_NextPart_000_0043_01C0AD39.25B16DE0-- From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Thu Mar 15 05:11:51 2001 Return-Path: Received: from kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.25]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id FAA24272 for ; Thu, 15 Mar 2001 05:11:51 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id FAA14006 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Thu, 15 Mar 2001 05:11:51 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id FAA13970 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Thu, 15 Mar 2001 05:11:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from artemis.le.ac.uk (artemis.le.ac.uk [143.210.16.126]) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id FAA13826 for ; Thu, 15 Mar 2001 05:11:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from ithaca.mcs.le.ac.uk ([143.210.72.11]) by artemis.le.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.16 #1) id 14dUjR-0003lf-00 for netatalk-admins@umich.edu; Thu, 15 Mar 2001 10:11:45 +0000 Received: from pc54 (pc54 [143.210.72.46]) by ithaca.mcs.le.ac.uk (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) with SMTP id KAA20226 for ; Thu, 15 Mar 2001 10:11:44 GMT Message-Id: <200103151011.KAA20226@ithaca.mcs.le.ac.uk> Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 10:11:44 +0000 (GMT) From: "J. A. Landamore" Reply-To: "J. A. Landamore" Subject: netatalk on SPARC To: netatalk-admins@umich.edu X-Mailer: dtmail 1.3.0 @(#)CDE Version 1.4 SunOS 5.8 i86pc i386 Content-Type: text X-Sun-Text-Type: ascii I assume from the facts that: 1) netatalk does not compile on a 64 bit SPARC Solaris using the Sun compiler 2) No-one answered my last e-mail about netatalk on 64 SPARC Solaris that development of netatalk on SPARC Solaris is dead. John Landamore | Please re-install Universe | Sys. Admin | and reboot | Dept Mathematics & Computer Science | | University of Leicester | Hogfather | University Road, LEICESTER, LE1 7RH | Terry Pratchett | J.Landamore@mcs.le.ac.uk Phone: +44 (0)116 2523410 Fax: +44 (0)116 2523604 From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Thu Mar 15 05:28:37 2001 Return-Path: Received: from kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.25]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id FAA24618 for ; Thu, 15 Mar 2001 05:28:37 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id FAA24807 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Thu, 15 Mar 2001 05:28:37 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id FAA24782 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Thu, 15 Mar 2001 05:28:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from jump.tangro.de (cray-ymp.tangro.de [193.155.17.164]) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id FAA24663 for ; Thu, 15 Mar 2001 05:28:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from janus.tangro.de (janus.tangro.de [193.155.17.163]) by jump.tangro.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA11706; Thu, 15 Mar 2001 11:28:29 +0100 (CET) Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20010315102129.00b60620@mail.tangro.de> X-Sender: hf@mail.tangro.de (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 10:28:19 +0100 To: mht@research.dfci.harvard.edu From: Hauke Fath Subject: Re: Locking propigation probelm samba to netatalk & netatalk tosamba Cc: Netatalk ML In-Reply-To: <3AAF9448.35BF6286@research.dfci.harvard.edu> References: <20010313221759.A11597@rakete.joerdens.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 10:54 14.03.01 -0500, testing roaming wrote: > I've been living with various appleshare servers for more >than a decade -- implementations from Pacer software on VMS (gasp) >and Unix, CAP, Netatalk. Several vendors attempted implementations >of what they called "NFS/Share" or something like that. All, as >I recall, were horrendously slow -- not for file transfer but for >duirectory scanning. This was explained to me as having >to do with the way in which Appleshare get's to know what is in >subdirectories and required single iterative calls to find out what >was there -- very bad if your directory has a few thousand files. >I don't know if this is a technical issue that can't be overcome, >but it seemed not to be trivial. NFS, designed as stateless (all operations are synchronous), is not really fast, itself. And having to emulate file metadata operations that are designed into AppleTalk/AppleShare does not make it any faster. The overall consensus seems to be that supporting the clients' native network protocols on the server side (Samba, Netatalk) works out better than mapping network protocols on the client side (to NFS, SMB, whatever). >I believe they all disappeared. Are any still around that >you know of? No. Even the Open Source NFS server project for the Mac was cancelled. hauke -- Hauke Fath Tangro Software Components GmbH D-69115 Heidelberg hf@Tangro.DE Ruf +49-6221-13336-0, Fax -21 From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Thu Mar 15 05:58:07 2001 Return-Path: Received: from easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.26]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id FAA24988 for ; Thu, 15 Mar 2001 05:58:06 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id FAA09443 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Thu, 15 Mar 2001 05:58:06 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id FAA09412 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Thu, 15 Mar 2001 05:58:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from jump.tangro.de (cray-ymp.tangro.de [193.155.17.164]) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id FAA09346 for ; Thu, 15 Mar 2001 05:58:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from [193.155.17.160] (whizz.tangro.de [193.155.17.160]) by jump.tangro.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA12655; Thu, 15 Mar 2001 11:58:00 +0100 (CET) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: hf@mail.tangro.de (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <200103151011.KAA20226@ithaca.mcs.le.ac.uk> References: <200103151011.KAA20226@ithaca.mcs.le.ac.uk> Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 11:57:56 +0100 To: "J. A. Landamore" From: Hauke Fath Subject: Re: netatalk on SPARC Cc: netatalk-admins@umich.edu Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" At 10:11 Uhr +0000 15.03.2001, J. A. Landamore wrote: >I assume from the facts that: > >1) netatalk does not compile on a 64 bit SPARC Solaris using the Sun compiler >2) No-one answered my last e-mail about netatalk on 64 SPARC Solaris > >that development of netatalk on SPARC Solaris is dead. The Netatalk page on SourceForge claims "Operating System: Linux". The old Netatalk Makefiles were dumped in favour of a GNU automake/autoconf based system that, so far, has not really lived up to its promise of being "a little bit more cross-platform and easier to maintain". I understand the writing on the wall as "we are cross-platform - as long as you have at least half of GNU world installed on your system". Then again, Netatalk is user-maintained... hauke -- Hauke Fath tangro software components GmbH D-69115 Heidelberg hf@tangro.de Ruf +49-6221-13336-0, Fax -21 From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Thu Mar 15 07:32:42 2001 Return-Path: Received: from kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.25]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id HAA26305 for ; Thu, 15 Mar 2001 07:32:42 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id HAA24279 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Thu, 15 Mar 2001 07:32:42 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id HAA24257 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Thu, 15 Mar 2001 07:32:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from trinity.magpage.com (trinity.magpage.com [216.155.0.8]) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id HAA24221 for ; Thu, 15 Mar 2001 07:32:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from [216.155.36.73] ([216.155.36.73]) by trinity.magpage.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id f2FCWdC70555 for ; Thu, 15 Mar 2001 07:32:39 -0500 (EST) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: ryannm@mail.magpage.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <200103151011.KAA20226@ithaca.mcs.le.ac.uk> References: <200103151011.KAA20226@ithaca.mcs.le.ac.uk> Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 07:36:57 -0500 To: netatalk-admins@umich.edu From: Ryan McBeth Subject: Re: netatalk on SPARC Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" John, I don't know about "dead". I know that Jeff was asking for a Solaris machine to test and compile one a few days ago. The problem just might be that there aren't a lot of Solaris machines to go around. There is some chance that my office might get a Sun Blade soon, but "soon" is open to interpretation. It kind of makes me wish Netatalk had a rich benefactor. Something tells me Scott McNealy isn't going to hand us an Ultra 5 . Of course, I'd *like* to be wrong on this one. Maybe writing Sun and asking politely wouldn't be a bad idea? Heck, maybe there is someone over at Sun who would be more then happy to pitch in, even if it were just testing code in a lab after hours. Does anyone know anyone at Sun, or an admin at a university that uses Sun Solaris? Ryan >I assume from the facts that: > >1) netatalk does not compile on a 64 bit SPARC Solaris using the Sun compiler >2) No-one answered my last e-mail about netatalk on 64 SPARC Solaris > >that development of netatalk on SPARC Solaris is dead. > > >John Landamore | Please re-install Universe | >Sys. Admin | and reboot | >Dept Mathematics & Computer Science | | >University of Leicester | Hogfather | >University Road, LEICESTER, LE1 7RH | Terry Pratchett | >J.Landamore@mcs.le.ac.uk >Phone: +44 (0)116 2523410 Fax: +44 (0)116 2523604 __________________________________ Ryan McBeth Systems Administrator, Mobius New Media Voice: (302) 475-9880 x11 FAX: (302) 475-9894 www.mobiusnm.com __________________________________ The secret to not getting burned out is to play at working hard, and not taking things too seriously. - Linus Torvalds From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Thu Mar 15 10:36:59 2001 Return-Path: Received: from funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.27]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id KAA29597 for ; Thu, 15 Mar 2001 10:36:59 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id KAA27395 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Thu, 15 Mar 2001 10:36:51 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id KAA27377 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Thu, 15 Mar 2001 10:36:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from apollo.le.ac.uk (apollo.le.ac.uk [143.210.16.125]) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id KAA27311 for ; Thu, 15 Mar 2001 10:36:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from ithaca.mcs.le.ac.uk ([143.210.72.11]) by apollo.le.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.16 #1) id 14dZo5-0000XG-00 for netatalk-admins@umich.edu; Thu, 15 Mar 2001 15:36:53 +0000 Received: from pc54 (pc54 [143.210.72.46]) by ithaca.mcs.le.ac.uk (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) with SMTP id PAA25514 for ; Thu, 15 Mar 2001 15:36:52 GMT Message-Id: <200103151536.PAA25514@ithaca.mcs.le.ac.uk> Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 15:36:53 +0000 (GMT) From: "J. A. Landamore" Reply-To: "J. A. Landamore" Subject: netatalk on Solaris To: netatalk-admins@umich.edu X-Mailer: dtmail 1.3.0 @(#)CDE Version 1.4 SunOS 5.8 i86pc i386 Content-Type: text X-Sun-Text-Type: ascii OK, here's an offer I'm going to regret. I'm willing to test netatalk builds on 64 bit SPARC Solaris 7 if there is a demand. I AM NOT a code writer, so I all can do is report error messages. If any of the development team want to take up this offer then e-mail me off-line at J.Landamore@mcs.le.ac.uk Please note, as I'm sure you're aware, this means the use of Suns compiler so replies to this offer of the form " ... using gcc ... " will meet with very short shrift. John Landamore From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Thu Mar 15 14:09:58 2001 Return-Path: Received: from funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.27]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id OAA05280 for ; Thu, 15 Mar 2001 14:09:58 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id OAA15471 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Thu, 15 Mar 2001 14:09:50 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id OAA15433 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Thu, 15 Mar 2001 14:09:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail4.svr.pol.co.uk (mail4.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.193.211]) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id OAA15384 for ; Thu, 15 Mar 2001 14:09:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from modem-154.dove.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.137.172.154] helo=[10.0.1.2]) by mail4.svr.pol.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.13 #0) id 14dcyS-0001xd-00 for netatalk-admins@umich.edu; Thu, 15 Mar 2001 18:59:48 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: aedan@mail.mac.com Message-Id: Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 18:47:23 +0000 To: netatalk-admins@umich.edu From: Aedan McGhie/Scotland Subject: can't make file Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Subject: When running make I get an error to say that one of the files can't be found.I have searched for it and sure enough, it's not there. Environment: Redhat 7, Gnome. Description: This is the output from the terminal In file included from asp_getreq.c:27: ../../include/netatalk/endian.h:32:21: bytesex.h: No such file or directory make[2]: *** [asp_getreq.o] Error 1 make[2]: Leaving directory `/root/unpacked/netatalk-1.3.3/libatalk/asp' make[1]: *** [asp] Error 2 make[1]: Leaving directory `/root/unpacked/netatalk-1.3.3/libatalk' make: *** [../../libatalk] Error 2 It looks like it can't find bytesex.h (and I'll get laughed at in the pub tonight if I tell anyone I have been looking for bytesex). Repeat-By: Happens every time I try to make the file. aeda -- Mac OS X vs. Windows XP : Typical Microsoft -- Take something from another company then P on it. http://www.surak.freeserve.co.uk http://homepage.mac.com/aedan/ From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Thu Mar 15 14:34:26 2001 Return-Path: Received: from easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.26]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id OAA06971 for ; Thu, 15 Mar 2001 14:34:26 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id OAA18295 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Thu, 15 Mar 2001 14:34:26 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id OAA18269 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Thu, 15 Mar 2001 14:34:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from email.wm.edu (mars.wm.edu [128.239.10.11]) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id OAA18225 for ; Thu, 15 Mar 2001 14:34:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from unix1 (unix1.wm.edu [128.239.10.21]) by email.wm.edu (2.1.2/8.9.1/Execmail 2.1) with ESMTP id OAA24371; Thu, 15 Mar 2001 14:34:23 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 14:33:44 -0500 (EST) From: Rob Lineweaver To: Aedan McGhie/Scotland cc: netatalk-admins@umich.edu Subject: Re: can't make file In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > In file included from asp_getreq.c:27: > ../../include/netatalk/endian.h:32:21: bytesex.h: No such file or directory > make[2]: *** [asp_getreq.o] Error 1 > make[2]: Leaving directory `/root/unpacked/netatalk-1.3.3/libatalk/asp' ^^^^^ 1.3.3 is ancient! Get some newer sources. As suggested yesterday, try: http://netatalk.sourceforge.net/ for 1.5preX, and http://www.anders.com/projects/netatalk/download.html for version 1.4 > make[1]: *** [asp] Error 2 > make[1]: Leaving directory `/root/unpacked/netatalk-1.3.3/libatalk' > make: *** [../../libatalk] Error 2 > > It looks like it can't find bytesex.h (and I'll get laughed at in the pub > tonight if I tell anyone I have been looking for bytesex). 'locate bytesex' turned up nothing on any of my linux machines... perhaps from an old glibc or something?... More recent versions of netatalk will compile cleanly on RH 7. good luck, Rob Lineweaver :) From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Thu Mar 15 14:52:17 2001 Return-Path: Received: from easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.26]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id OAA08154 for ; Thu, 15 Mar 2001 14:52:16 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id OAA17351 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Thu, 15 Mar 2001 14:52:16 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id OAA17311 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Thu, 15 Mar 2001 14:52:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from www.molbio.wisc.edu (www.molbio.wisc.edu [144.92.19.124]) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with SMTP id OAA17146 for ; Thu, 15 Mar 2001 14:52:13 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 21676 invoked by uid 500); 15 Mar 2001 19:52:06 -0000 Received: from localhost (sendmail-bs@127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 15 Mar 2001 19:52:06 -0000 Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 13:52:06 -0600 (CST) From: "Daniel E. Lautenschleger" To: Rob Lineweaver cc: Aedan McGhie/Scotland , Subject: Re: can't make file In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I've been using a rather odd "pre2" version from ftp://mirror.sit.wisc.edu/pub/linux/distributions/redhat/beta/wolverine/en/powertools/i386/RedHat/RPMS/netatalk-1.5pre2-4.i386.rpm I say odd because the SourceForge group never released a pre2 that I'm aware of. -Dan On Thu, 15 Mar 2001, Rob Lineweaver wrote: > > > In file included from asp_getreq.c:27: > > ../../include/netatalk/endian.h:32:21: bytesex.h: No such file or directory > > make[2]: *** [asp_getreq.o] Error 1 > > make[2]: Leaving directory `/root/unpacked/netatalk-1.3.3/libatalk/asp' > ^^^^^ > 1.3.3 is ancient! Get some newer sources. As suggested yesterday, try: > http://netatalk.sourceforge.net/ for 1.5preX, and > http://www.anders.com/projects/netatalk/download.html for version 1.4 > > > make[1]: *** [asp] Error 2 > > make[1]: Leaving directory `/root/unpacked/netatalk-1.3.3/libatalk' > > make: *** [../../libatalk] Error 2 > > > > It looks like it can't find bytesex.h (and I'll get laughed at in the pub > > tonight if I tell anyone I have been looking for bytesex). > > 'locate bytesex' turned up nothing on any of my linux machines... perhaps > from an old glibc or something?... > > More recent versions of netatalk will compile cleanly on RH 7. > > good luck, > > Rob Lineweaver > :) > > -- Daniel E. Lautenschleger University of Wisconsin R.M. Bock Laboratories Network Administrator and Computer Support dan@www.molbio.wisc.edu From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Thu Mar 15 18:12:13 2001 Return-Path: Received: from funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.27]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id SAA12772 for ; Thu, 15 Mar 2001 18:12:13 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id SAA06747 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Thu, 15 Mar 2001 18:12:07 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id SAA06738 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Thu, 15 Mar 2001 18:12:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from univrel.pr.uconn.edu (univrel.pr.uconn.edu [137.99.59.30]) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id SAA06709 for ; Thu, 15 Mar 2001 18:12:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from univrel.pr.uconn.edu (test.pr.uconn.edu [137.99.59.90]) by univrel.pr.uconn.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id MAA09607; Thu, 15 Mar 2001 12:12:01 -0500 Sender: root@univrel.pr.uconn.edu Message-ID: <3AB10145.620C83A@univrel.pr.uconn.edu> Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 12:52:05 -0500 From: jeff X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.17-21mdksmp i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Daniel E. Lautenschleger" CC: Rob Lineweaver , Aedan McGhie/Scotland , netatalk-admins@umich.edu Subject: Re: can't make file References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit "Daniel E. Lautenschleger" wrote: > > I've been using a rather odd "pre2" version from > ftp://mirror.sit.wisc.edu/pub/linux/distributions/redhat/beta/wolverine/en/powertools/i386/RedHat/RPMS/netatalk-1.5pre2-4.i386.rpm > > I say odd because the SourceForge group never released a pre2 that I'm > aware of. > It was called 1.4.99-0.somethingorother instead of pre2, which was meant to make package systems recognize 1.5pre? to be *older* than 1.5, which they have been known not to do. After that, common sense prevailed, and the packages were moved to the 1.5pre? format. Grab the 1.5pre5 RPM if you get the chance; it has many fixes over 1.5pre2. There are some annoying bugs that are fixed in the current CVS, which are slated for 1.5pre6. jeff From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Thu Mar 15 18:18:56 2001 Return-Path: Received: from funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.27]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id SAA13000 for ; Thu, 15 Mar 2001 18:18:56 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id SAA16512 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Thu, 15 Mar 2001 18:18:50 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id SAA16489 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Thu, 15 Mar 2001 18:18:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from www.molbio.wisc.edu (www.molbio.wisc.edu [144.92.19.124]) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with SMTP id SAA16473 for ; Thu, 15 Mar 2001 18:18:48 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 21797 invoked by uid 500); 15 Mar 2001 23:18:52 -0000 Received: from localhost (sendmail-bs@127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 15 Mar 2001 23:18:52 -0000 Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 17:18:52 -0600 (CST) From: "Daniel E. Lautenschleger" To: jeff cc: Rob Lineweaver , Aedan McGhie/Scotland , Subject: Re: can't make file In-Reply-To: <3AB10145.620C83A@univrel.pr.uconn.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Thanks for the info, Jeff. One thing worth mentioning is that for (at least) Red Hat 7 folks, the Pre5 simply does not work properly. I have a hunch that grabbing the current CVS or waiting for Pre6 is the way to go. Thoughts on when pre 6 will be released? Thanks again. BTW, I loved the e-mail I saw earlier today indicating a possible cooperative effort with the Samba folks. I'm all for a 1.5 freeze/fork to GPL. On Thu, 15 Mar 2001, jeff wrote: > "Daniel E. Lautenschleger" wrote: > > > > I've been using a rather odd "pre2" version from > > ftp://mirror.sit.wisc.edu/pub/linux/distributions/redhat/beta/wolverine/en/powertools/i386/RedHat/RPMS/netatalk-1.5pre2-4.i386.rpm > > > > I say odd because the SourceForge group never released a pre2 that I'm > > aware of. > > > > It was called 1.4.99-0.somethingorother instead of pre2, which was meant > to make package systems recognize 1.5pre? to be *older* than 1.5, which > they have been known not to do. After that, common sense prevailed, and > the packages were moved to the 1.5pre? format. > > Grab the 1.5pre5 RPM if you get the chance; it has many fixes over > 1.5pre2. There are some annoying bugs that are fixed in the current CVS, > which are slated for 1.5pre6. > > jeff > -- Daniel E. Lautenschleger University of Wisconsin R.M. Bock Laboratories Network Administrator and Computer Support dan@www.molbio.wisc.edu From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Thu Mar 15 19:21:10 2001 Return-Path: Received: from kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.25]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id TAA14256 for ; Thu, 15 Mar 2001 19:21:10 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id TAA09371 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Thu, 15 Mar 2001 19:21:10 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id TAA09360 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Thu, 15 Mar 2001 19:21:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from admiral.navis.com (admiral.navis.com [205.219.33.44]) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id TAA09338 for ; Thu, 15 Mar 2001 19:21:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from valhalla.navis.com (IDENT:alevitt@valhalla.navis.com [205.219.33.111]) by admiral.navis.com (8.10.2/8.10.2) with ESMTP id f2G0L7705843 for ; Thu, 15 Mar 2001 16:21:07 -0800 Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 16:21:17 -0800 (PST) From: Aaron Levitt To: netatalk-admins@umich.edu Subject: Volume mounting at startup with OS9.x Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Greets everyone- I apologize in advance if this has already been addressed. Even though I saw similar problems reported in the list archives, none seemed to have responses that corrected the problems, and I have been off the list for a while (and will probably end up being off for a bit longer). I am using netatalk-1.4b2+asun2.1.4 on my main production redhat 6.2 linux box with a 2.2.14 kernel. It has been performing great until recently. As more and more of our users upgrade to OS9 we are seeing an increasing number of people that are having problems having volumes mount at boot time and via aliases. Currently, one of our shares can't be selected to be mounted at startup, when you try to check the box to have it mount at startup, it complains about "The command could not be completed because it contains items that are in use." Also, with the same share, if you try to make an alias of it anywhere on the mac, it gives the same error as above. The other issue is if you create an alias of another paticular share, a different one will actually be mounted when you try mounting it via the alias. It will mount the same different share every time. We have 18 seperate shares, all shared via netatalk and samba, and these 2 are the only ones with problems and only with OS 9, 9.0.4 and 9.1. Everything functions normally with macOS < OS9. We have looked at all the config files and even recreated the AppleVolumes.default file thinking it may have gotten some strange cr's or spaces somewhere, but still have the same results. We have also tried dumping the System folder/Servers files and had no change, and even tried a fresh install of OS9. Any suggestions would greatly be appreciated. -Aaron Levitt From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Thu Mar 15 20:05:41 2001 Return-Path: Received: from easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.26]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id UAA15189 for ; Thu, 15 Mar 2001 20:05:41 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id UAA18276 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Thu, 15 Mar 2001 20:05:41 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id UAA18261 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Thu, 15 Mar 2001 20:05:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from mr4.ash.ops.us.uu.net (mr4.ash.ops.us.uu.net [198.5.241.89]) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id UAA18235 for ; Thu, 15 Mar 2001 20:05:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by mr4.ash.ops.us.uu.net with ESMTP (peer crosschecked as: macsupport2.corp.us.uu.net [153.39.168.41]) id QQkgnk27600 for ; Fri, 16 Mar 2001 01:05:39 GMT Message-Id: Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 20:05:30 -0500 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v387) From: "David J. Shaub" To: netatalk-admins@umich.edu X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.387) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Mac OS X - connecting to Netatalk servers Although I haven't helped anyone on this list yet - maybe one day I can. I have been playing around with Mac OS X and it seems there is a problem. Netatalk volumes are not accessible. While watching /var/log/messages, it seems the authentication goes through. You then get your list of accessible shares, but when you attempt to mount them - the server disconnects the client(Mac OS X box). In the log you see: Mar 15 19:57:50 macsupport afpd[8556]: ASIP session:548(2) from 153.39.168.41:49288(0) Mar 15 19:57:50 macsupport afpd[818]: server_child[1] 8556 done Mar 15 19:57:58 macsupport afpd[8557]: ASIP session:548(2) from 153.39.168.41:49289(0) Mar 15 19:57:58 macsupport afpd[8557]: dhx login: dshaub Mar 15 19:57:58 macsupport PAM_pwdb[8557]: (netatalk) session opened for user dshaub by (uid=0) Mar 15 19:57:58 macsupport afpd[8557]: login dshaub (uid 501, gid 501) Mar 15 19:58:05 macsupport afpd[8557]: dsi_stream_read(0): No such process Mar 15 19:58:05 macsupport PAM_pwdb[8557]: (netatalk) session closed for user dshaub Mar 15 19:58:05 macsupport afpd[8557]: 0.84KB read, 8.92KB written Mar 15 19:58:05 macsupport afpd[8557]: Connection terminated Mar 15 19:58:05 macsupport afpd[818]: server_child[1] 8557 exited 1 On the machine attempting to connect you get: Disconnected The file server "macsupport" connection has unexpectedly closed down. My Netatalk boxes are all Redhat 7 running on various Dell hardware I've tried 1.5 as well as the old 1.4+asun version that was always recommended. I know it may be silly to expect the non final version of OS X to work perfectly - but I am a little suspicious that Apple has made some changes that will need to be adjusted to. Mounting OS 9 or AppleShare IP servers work fine. If anyone has ideas - I would love to hear! Thanks, David Shaub From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Thu Mar 15 20:35:42 2001 Return-Path: Received: from kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.25]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id UAA15950 for ; Thu, 15 Mar 2001 20:35:41 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id UAA18964 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Thu, 15 Mar 2001 20:35:41 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id UAA18948 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Thu, 15 Mar 2001 20:35:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from c017.sfo.cp.net (c017-h020.c017.sfo.cp.net [209.228.12.234]) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with SMTP id UAA18921 for ; Thu, 15 Mar 2001 20:35:39 -0500 (EST) Received: (cpmta 20748 invoked from network); 15 Mar 2001 17:35:38 -0800 Received: from www.waaaow.com (HELO ?192.168.0.52?) (207.171.221.217) by smtp.terrascope.com (209.228.12.234) with SMTP; 15 Mar 2001 17:35:38 -0800 X-Sent: 16 Mar 2001 01:35:38 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 17:38:09 -0800 To: Aaron Levitt From: Walt Reed Subject: Re: Volume mounting at startup with OS9.x Cc: netatalk-admins@umich.edu Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" > >I am using netatalk-1.4b2+asun2.1.4 on my main production redhat 6.2 linux >box with a 2.2.14 kernel. It has been performing great until recently. >As more and more of our users upgrade to OS9 we are seeing an increasing >number of people that are having problems having volumes mount at boot >time and via aliases. > IMHO you really shouldn't use the "mount server at boot time" option on a mac, especially on a production machine. if the server goes down, for _any_ reason, including being replaced, you will have an office full of macs that may or may not boot, while they frantically try to mount what's not there, and a crowd of possibly hostile, and definitely confused users. it can be a real nightmare. i usually try to get my users to use an alias, or apple menu->recent servers. the benefits of startup mounting do not outweigh the problems, unless your users are comfortable with starting with extensions off and trashing the system folder->servers entries when the machine doesn't boot, and knowing why they are doing it. that said... >Currently, one of our shares can't be selected to be mounted at startup, >when you try to check the box to have it mount at startup, it complains >about "The command could not be completed because it contains items that >are in use." > what do your config files look like for this share? is it different in any way from the others? does this one also share to windows via samba? how about nfs? one of the things that's different about os9 is that the appletalk (or open transport) changed and became more tcp/ip native. you'll notice that with os9 (via the "shareways" extention) you can share files from mac to mac over the internet (not that you want to be broadcasting your files all over!) or over different networks, and access volumes that are not on your network (and therefore not in the chooser) just by typing in the ip, much like ftp. appleshare ip (and of course, netatalk!) were able to broadcast like this, but not your regular old mac (without extra software). what this means is that the old localtalk networks have been somewhat phased out, and it may be you are running netatalk without afpd configured correctly. what does your afpd file look like? do you bind your server to ip's? do you bind your shares to different ports? mine looks like this: machine_name -address 192.168.1.10 but i think i would add separate ports if i had as many shares as you (see below). i think this problem can be solved by tweaking the configs, so if you would share the relevant parts, i think we could get somewhere. >Also, with the same share, if you try to make an alias of it anywhere on >the mac, it gives the same error as above. > yeah, that's a real problem. >The other issue is if you create an alias of another paticular share, a >different one will actually be mounted when you try mounting it via the >alias. It will mount the same different share every time. > once again, i need to see the appropriate configs on this, and you may want to bind to different ports. >We have 18 seperate shares, all shared via netatalk and samba, and these 2 >are the only ones with problems and only with OS 9, 9.0.4 and 9.1. >Everything functions normally with macOS < OS9. We have looked at all the >config files and even recreated the AppleVolumes.default file thinking it >may have gotten some strange cr's or spaces somewhere, but still have the >same results. We have also tried dumping the System folder/Servers files >and had no change, and even tried a fresh install of OS9. > are all 18 on the same machine? have you thought about splitting some of these up on to other linux boxes? it seems a bit excessive, unless you are counting the users home directories. >Any suggestions would greatly be appreciated. > >-Aaron Levitt hope that helps, walt reed From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Thu Mar 15 20:44:16 2001 Return-Path: Received: from funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.27]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id UAA16082 for ; Thu, 15 Mar 2001 20:44:16 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id UAA00258 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Thu, 15 Mar 2001 20:44:10 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id UAA00247 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Thu, 15 Mar 2001 20:44:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from blackbaud.mpa.pvt.k12.mn.us (s8-134.mpa.pvt.k12.mn.us [204.169.134.8] (may be forged)) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id UAA00231 for ; Thu, 15 Mar 2001 20:44:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from [204.169.135.161] (HELO andyc) by blackbaud.mpa.pvt.k12.mn.us (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 3.3) with ESMTP id 60130 for netatalk-admins@umich.edu; Thu, 15 Mar 2001 19:44:13 -0600 Message-ID: <000c01c0adba$9a533300$a187a9cc@mpa.pvt.k12.mn.us> Reply-To: "Andy Charrier" From: "Andy Charrier" To: Subject: Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 19:44:12 -0600 Organization: MPA MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0009_01C0AD88.4F8975A0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0009_01C0AD88.4F8975A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable subscribe ------=_NextPart_000_0009_01C0AD88.4F8975A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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------=_NextPart_000_0009_01C0AD88.4F8975A0-- From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Thu Mar 15 22:27:41 2001 Return-Path: Received: from funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.27]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id WAA18789 for ; Thu, 15 Mar 2001 22:27:41 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id WAA00112 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Thu, 15 Mar 2001 22:27:34 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id WAA00103 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Thu, 15 Mar 2001 22:27:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from mta2-rme.xtra.co.nz (mta2-rme.xtra.co.nz [203.96.92.3]) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id WAA00068 for ; Thu, 15 Mar 2001 22:27:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from [192.168.2.9] by mta2-rme.xtra.co.nz with SMTP id <20010316032739.MIB17343171.mta2-rme.xtra.co.nz@[192.168.2.9]> for ; Fri, 16 Mar 2001 16:27:39 +1300 From: Marcus Reply-To: marcus@darena.co.nz To: netatalk-admins@umich.edu CC: Subject: Re: Mac OS X - connecting to Netatalk servers Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 3:28:52 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <20010316032739.MIB17343171.mta2-rme.xtra.co.nz@[192.168.2.9]> I have been using one of the "later than the public beta(4k17)" versions of OSX(4k78), and connecting to netatalk-1.4b2+asun214-37b servers fine. Last night I backed up my Titanium Powerbook to a netatalk server (4GB of data) without a problem. I have had a friend of mine report that coping a HUGE amount of data would cause OSX to kernel panic, but that was 4k29. Don't use the "official" public beta for testing, it is a completely different OS to the later ones...which is a relief. I am running netatalk on a Mandrake 7.2 on a IBM e-server x200, and using netatalk-1.4b2+asun214-37b with encrypted passwords support. mrad01 > > From: "David J. Shaub" > Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 20:05:30 -0500 > To: netatalk-admins@umich.edu > Subject: Mac OS X - connecting to Netatalk servers > > Although I haven't helped anyone on this list yet - maybe one day I can. > > I have been playing around with Mac OS X and it seems there is a > problem. Netatalk volumes are not accessible. While watching > /var/log/messages, it seems the authentication goes through. You then > get your list of accessible shares, but when you attempt to mount them - > the server disconnects the client(Mac OS X box). > From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Thu Mar 15 23:25:09 2001 Return-Path: Received: from easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.26]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id XAA20009 for ; Thu, 15 Mar 2001 23:25:09 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id XAA22235 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Thu, 15 Mar 2001 23:25:08 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id XAA22219 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Thu, 15 Mar 2001 23:25:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from heretic.mabaleb.org (heretic.mabaleb.org [63.225.255.133]) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id XAA22191 for ; Thu, 15 Mar 2001 23:25:07 -0500 (EST) From: mbartosh@heretic.mabaleb.org Received: from localhost (mbartosh@localhost) by heretic.mabaleb.org (8.9.3/8.9.3/SuSE Linux 8.9.3-0.1) with ESMTP id TAA21019; Wed, 14 Mar 2001 19:27:54 -0600 Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 19:27:54 -0600 (CST) To: "David J. Shaub" cc: netatalk-admins@umich.edu Subject: Re: Mac OS X - connecting to Netatalk servers In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII To get an amaxing amount of verbosity, so (on Mac OS X): setenv AFP_DEBUG_LEVEL 8 then bartosh% mount_afp usage: mount_afp [-o option1[,option2...]] afp://[username:password]@rhost[:port]/volume node Later- -mab On Thu, 15 Mar 2001, David J. Shaub wrote: >Although I haven't helped anyone on this list yet - maybe one day I can. > >I have been playing around with Mac OS X and it seems there is a >problem. Netatalk volumes are not accessible. While watching >/var/log/messages, it seems the authentication goes through. You then >get your list of accessible shares, but when you attempt to mount them - >the server disconnects the client(Mac OS X box). In the log you see: > >Mar 15 19:57:50 macsupport afpd[8556]: ASIP session:548(2) from >153.39.168.41:49288(0) >Mar 15 19:57:50 macsupport afpd[818]: server_child[1] 8556 done >Mar 15 19:57:58 macsupport afpd[8557]: ASIP session:548(2) from >153.39.168.41:49289(0) >Mar 15 19:57:58 macsupport afpd[8557]: dhx login: dshaub >Mar 15 19:57:58 macsupport PAM_pwdb[8557]: (netatalk) session opened for >user dshaub by (uid=0) >Mar 15 19:57:58 macsupport afpd[8557]: login dshaub (uid 501, gid 501) >Mar 15 19:58:05 macsupport afpd[8557]: dsi_stream_read(0): No such >process >Mar 15 19:58:05 macsupport PAM_pwdb[8557]: (netatalk) session closed for >user dshaub >Mar 15 19:58:05 macsupport afpd[8557]: 0.84KB read, 8.92KB written >Mar 15 19:58:05 macsupport afpd[8557]: Connection terminated >Mar 15 19:58:05 macsupport afpd[818]: server_child[1] 8557 exited 1 > >On the machine attempting to connect you get: > >Disconnected >The file server "macsupport" connection has unexpectedly closed down. > >My Netatalk boxes are all Redhat 7 running on various Dell hardware >I've tried 1.5 as well as the old 1.4+asun version that was always >recommended. I know it may be silly to expect the non final version of >OS X to work perfectly - but I am a little suspicious that Apple has >made some changes that will need to be adjusted to. Mounting OS 9 or >AppleShare IP servers work fine. If anyone has ideas - I would love to >hear! > >Thanks, >David Shaub > From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Fri Mar 16 00:41:50 2001 Return-Path: Received: from kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.25]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id AAA22424 for ; Fri, 16 Mar 2001 00:41:50 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id AAA03599 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Fri, 16 Mar 2001 00:41:50 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id AAA03586 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Fri, 16 Mar 2001 00:41:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from gromit.daemonize.com (adsl-63-204-212-186.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [63.204.212.186]) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id AAA03554 for ; Fri, 16 Mar 2001 00:41:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from paulkrohn.com (wallace.daemonize.com [10.77.1.3]) by gromit.daemonize.com (8.9.3/8.9.2) with ESMTP id VAA09166; Thu, 15 Mar 2001 21:41:47 -0800 Message-ID: <3AB1A788.51239BFE@paulkrohn.com> Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 21:41:28 -0800 From: Paul Krohn X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: netatalk-admins@umich.edu, "cobalt-developers@list.cobalt.com" Subject: netatalk compile on qube2? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit has anyone else out there successfully compiled a recent version of netatalk on a qube2? to get started, i had to install a number of gnu tools (automake and autoconf among others -- be sure to install these on top of the distro, into /usr rather than /usr/local). i'd have to do that for lots of packages, so no biggie. i get the following errors, trying to compile netatalk-1.5pre5 and netatalk-1.5pre4: afp_config.c: In function `ASPConfigInit': afp_config.c:181: `VERSION' undeclared (first use this function) afp_config.c:181: (Each undeclared identifier is reported only once afp_config.c:181: for each function it appears in.) afp_config.c: In function `DSIConfigInit': afp_config.c:230: `VERSION' undeclared (first use this function) i'm not a c programmer, so i really have no idea what's up. i configured with ./configure --enable-cobalt, which seemed to create the correct layout. also, this is a little OT, but i'd like to finally figure out how to create an rpm package for other qube/raq 2 users out there -- that puts the binaries and config files where cobalt expects them, so as not to break the web interface. is that what the --enable-cobalt option is supposed to do/does, were it to compile? fwiw, the qube2 is based on redhat 5. thanks, of course, in advance for your help. From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Fri Mar 16 04:59:25 2001 Return-Path: Received: from kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.25]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id EAA28469 for ; Fri, 16 Mar 2001 04:59:24 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id EAA14979 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Fri, 16 Mar 2001 04:59:24 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id EAA14973 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Fri, 16 Mar 2001 04:59:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from plato.arts.usyd.edu.au (plato.arts.usyd.edu.au [129.78.16.1]) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id EAA14929 for ; Fri, 16 Mar 2001 04:59:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from arts.usyd.edu.au (IDENT:matthew@holly.aitch.ucc.usyd.edu.au [129.78.226.234]) by plato.arts.usyd.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA17480 for ; Fri, 16 Mar 2001 20:59:16 +1100 (EST) Sender: matthew@plato.arts.usyd.edu.au Message-ID: <3AB1E494.5F7733CF@arts.usyd.edu.au> Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 21:01:56 +1100 From: Matthew Geier Organization: Arts IT Unit, Sydney University X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.2-XFS i686) X-Accept-Language: en, pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: netatalk-admins@umich.edu Subject: Re: Mac OS X - connecting to Netatalk servers References: <20010316032739.MIB17343171.mta2-rme.xtra.co.nz@[192.168.2.9]> Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/x-pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha1; boundary="------------msB6E0946CB23F5D7ED58A5C27" This is a cryptographically signed message in MIME format. --------------msB6E0946CB23F5D7ED58A5C27 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Marcus wrote: > kernel panic, but that was 4k29. > Don't use the "official" public beta for testing, it is a completely different OS to the later ones...which is a relief. So the public beta was basicly a con job and completely useless for testing network interoperablity. Which was the only reason we got it in the first place. Fortunatly we were sent the copy, and didn't actually have to buy it... 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I was wondering if there is a way in netatalk to set the sent packet size, like the max xmit option of samba. I suspect that the server might end up timing out connections because of too many dropped packets on the client side, and those dropped packets can be caused by too lage packets on the server side. In a setup where the server has Gb ethernet and clients 100 bT, it is plausible. Reducing the packet side from the server would then be a fix, and probably improving general performance also. Has anybody experience this situation? Thanks. From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Fri Mar 16 09:31:37 2001 Return-Path: Received: from funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.27]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id JAA03494 for ; Fri, 16 Mar 2001 09:31:37 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id JAA16812 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Fri, 16 Mar 2001 09:31:30 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id JAA16788 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Fri, 16 Mar 2001 09:31:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from heretic.mabaleb.org (heretic.mabaleb.org [63.225.255.133]) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id JAA16568 for ; Fri, 16 Mar 2001 09:31:28 -0500 (EST) From: mbartosh@heretic.mabaleb.org Received: from localhost (mbartosh@localhost) by heretic.mabaleb.org (8.9.3/8.9.3/SuSE Linux 8.9.3-0.1) with ESMTP id FAA23051; Thu, 15 Mar 2001 05:34:16 -0600 Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 05:34:16 -0600 (CST) To: Matthew Geier cc: netatalk-admins@umich.edu Subject: Re: Mac OS X - connecting to Netatalk servers In-Reply-To: <3AB1E494.5F7733CF@arts.usyd.edu.au> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Public beta was not a con job, and it was not a "completely different OS". It was an early version of the OS, and just like all prerelease OS's, there were things that weren't done. If everything was done it wouldn't be 'beta', it would be release. -mab On Fri, 16 Mar 2001, Matthew Geier wrote: >Marcus wrote: >> >kernel panic, but that was 4k29. >> Don't use the "official" public beta for testing, it is a completely different OS to the later ones...which is a relief. > > So the public beta was basicly a con job and completely useless for >testing network interoperablity. Which was the only reason we got it in >the first place. Fortunatly >we were sent the copy, and didn't actually have to buy it... > > Would have been nice if they actually made use of its update tool and >let people update their beta copies in line with the current development >track. From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Fri Mar 16 11:25:22 2001 Return-Path: Received: from easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.26]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id LAA05772 for ; Fri, 16 Mar 2001 11:25:22 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id LAA04333 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Fri, 16 Mar 2001 11:25:19 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id LAA04254 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Fri, 16 Mar 2001 11:25:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from mr2.ash.ops.us.uu.net (mr2.ash.ops.us.uu.net [198.5.241.87]) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id LAA04197 for ; Fri, 16 Mar 2001 11:25:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by mr2.ash.ops.us.uu.net with ESMTP (peer crosschecked as: macsupport2.corp.us.uu.net [153.39.168.41]) id QQkgpt24596 for ; Fri, 16 Mar 2001 16:25:12 GMT Message-Id: Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 11:25:04 -0500 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1797652249-1 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.387) From: "David J. Shaub" To: netatalk-admins@umich.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v387) In-Reply-To: <20010316032739.MIB17343171.mta2-rme.xtra.co.nz@[192.168.2.9]> Subject: Re: Mac OS X - connecting to Netatalk servers --Apple-Mail-1797652249-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii On Thursday, March 15, 2001, at 10:28 PM, Marcus wrote: > I have been using one of the "later than the public beta(4k17)" > versions of OSX(4k78), and connecting to netatalk-1.4b2+asun214-37b Have the same trouble with 4k78. In fact the log files I captured were from an attempt by a 4k78 box. > servers fine. Last night I backed up my Titanium Powerbook to a > netatalk server (4GB of data) without a problem. > I have had a friend of mine report that coping a HUGE amount of data > would cause OSX to kernel panic, but that was 4k29. Are you using EXT2 for your disks? Would using HFS+ volumes in Linux make any difference on how Netatalk handles the the connection to the client(Resource fork emulation..). > Don't use the "official" public beta for testing, it is a completely > different OS to the later ones...which is a relief. I am running > netatalk on a Mandrake 7.2 on a IBM e-server x200, and using > netatalk-1.4b2+asun214-37b with encrypted passwords support. Your version of Netatalk(the asun part) seems to have a slightly different version numbers scheme. Did you get a special build from somewhere other than the normal places(Sourceforge etc.), maybe I can try your build.... > mrad01 > >> >> From: "David J. Shaub" >> Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 20:05:30 -0500 >> To: netatalk-admins@umich.edu >> Subject: Mac OS X - connecting to Netatalk servers >> >> Although I haven't helped anyone on this list yet - maybe one day I >> can. >> >> I have been playing around with Mac OS X and it seems there is a >> problem. Netatalk volumes are not accessible. While watching >> /var/log/messages, it seems the authentication goes through. You then >> get your list of accessible shares, but when you attempt to mount >> them - >> the server disconnects the client(Mac OS X box). >> > --Apple-Mail-1797652249-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=us-ascii On Thursday, March 15, 2001, at 10:28 PM, Marcus wrote: I have been using one of the "later than the public beta(4k17)" versions of OSX(4k78), and connecting to netatalk-1.4b2+asun214-37b Have the same trouble with 4k78. In fact the log files I captured were from an attempt by a 4k78 box. =20 servers fine. Last night I backed up my Titanium Powerbook to a netatalk server (4GB of data) without a problem. I have had a friend of mine report that coping a HUGE amount of data would cause OSX to kernel panic, but that was 4k29. Are you using EXT2 for your disks? Would using HFS+ volumes in Linux make any difference on how Netatalk handles the the connection to the client(Resource fork = emulation..).0000,0000,DEB7 Don't use the "official" public beta for testing, it is a completely different OS to the later ones...which is a relief. I am running netatalk on a Mandrake 7.2 on a IBM e-server x200, and using netatalk-1.4b2+asun214-37b with encrypted passwords support. Your version of Netatalk(the asun part) seems to have a=20 slightly different version numbers scheme. Did you get a special build from somewhere other than the normal places(Sourceforge etc.), maybe I can try your build....0000,0000,DEB7 mrad01=20 From: "David J. Shaub" < Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 20:05:30 -0500 To: netatalk-admins@umich.edu Subject: Mac OS X - connecting to Netatalk servers Although I haven't helped anyone on this list yet - maybe one day I can. I have been playing around with Mac OS X and it seems there is a=20 problem. Netatalk volumes are not accessible. While watching=20 /var/log/messages, it seems the authentication goes through. You then=20= get your list of accessible shares, but when you attempt to mount them -=20 the server disconnects the client(Mac OS X box).=20 = --Apple-Mail-1797652249-1-- From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Fri Mar 16 15:30:51 2001 Return-Path: Received: from funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.27]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id PAA12485 for ; Fri, 16 Mar 2001 15:30:51 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id PAA06216 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Fri, 16 Mar 2001 15:30:44 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id PAA06121 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Fri, 16 Mar 2001 15:30:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from garnet.tc.umn.edu (garnet.tc.umn.edu [160.94.218.249]) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id PAA05981 for ; Fri, 16 Mar 2001 15:30:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by garnet.tc.umn.edu with ESMTP for netatalk-admins@umich.edu; Fri, 16 Mar 2001 14:30:42 -0600 Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 14:30:41 -0600 (CST) From: Karen A Swanberg To: netatalk-admins@umich.edu Subject: rand2num passwords OpenBSD 2.8 Message-Id: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I've scoured the mail archives and the docs for the answer to this one, it should be working... I've installed netatalk 1.4b2+asun2.1.3 on an OpenBSD 2.8 server. Everything works except getting encrypted passwords. I've tried a number of things. First, my makefile did have the directory to find des.a and libdes.a, and compiled without errors. Is there something I need to do to activate DES in the OpenBSD kernel? I can't imagine the default GENERIC kernel doesn't have it turned on. I had my rc.local file disabling guest as it launched afpd for awhile, with the -G option, but turned it off while working on this problem. Right now my afpd.conf files says: "server" -noguest -nocleartext -savepassword -setpassword -rand2num AppleVolumes.default has: ~ /home/public "PublicFileShare" The macs will still let me on, but the login screen says "cleartext" and won't let me change or set passwords. This is true on OS 8.1, 8.6 and 9.0.4. .passwd exists in my home directory, and in /home/public, and has the correct permissions etc. When I make those changes to afpd.conf, and SIGHUP afpd and atalkd, this turns up in /var/log/daemon: afpd[24529] disallowing logins But I can still log in from the macs as myself and the test account. I just started working with Netatalk a week or so ago, so I'm still fairly new to it's workings. I see references to afppasswd in the mail archives, but no such thing exists on my system. Is that linux only? I think I'm missing something really simple. Anyone see it? And, another really stupid question. I was using the precompiled port/package of netatalk for OpenBSD first, and had problems. So I compiled the one I'm using now and it works much better. But the port had the BSD devil icon on the share tray instead of the world, which the compiled version has. I'd like the BSD icon back, but when I get the copy on the BSD webpage, it's not transparent, and I can't get it to be transparent. I've tried a number of methods to make it transparent, but apparently I'm much more graphically challenged than I thought. I don't suppose someone would be willing to send me a copy of the transparent BSD appleshare icon? Thanks and sincerely, * * Karen Swanberg | Network Admin. | Error: Sector not found-- Dept. of Geology/Geophysics |search behind couch? (Y/N) 206 Pillsbury Hall | 310 Pillsbury Ave. SE | University of Mn | Enter any 11-digit prime Minneapolis, MN 55455 | number to continue... (612) 624-6541 | * * From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Sun Mar 18 11:11:31 2001 Return-Path: Received: from kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.25]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id LAA01561 for ; Sun, 18 Mar 2001 11:11:30 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id LAA08052 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Sun, 18 Mar 2001 11:11:30 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id LAA08027 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Sun, 18 Mar 2001 11:11:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from mx0.gmx.net (mx0.gmx.net [213.165.64.100]) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with SMTP id LAA07940 for ; Sun, 18 Mar 2001 11:11:27 -0500 (EST) From: grobe@gmx.net Received: (qmail 13657 invoked by uid 0); 18 Mar 2001 16:11:25 -0000 Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2001 17:11:25 +0100 (MET) To: netatalk-admins@umich.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: MacOS9, copying folders to server problem X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-Authenticated-Sender: #0000290134@gmx.net X-Authenticated-IP: [130.83.244.130] Message-ID: <2803.984931885@www32.gmx.net> X-Mailer: WWW-Mail 1.5 (Global Message Exchange) X-Flags: 0001 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi! After I tried a lot of permission settings, I found that there seam to be different behaviours on different MacOS9-clients. The problem was that I can't copy a folder containing files to a netatalk+asun-pre37-server (I get the message that files are "geschuetzt" (German, something like secured). The user has group and owner-permissions. The problem appeared on a UmaxPulsar. Next, I tried the same on a G4 (MacOS9 in both cases) - no errors.... Where should I search the difference causing these errors? I'm not a Mac-Pro, I just found that both Macs have the same OS... Is this error known? CU, Lars. www.rechnerpool.com -- Sent through GMX FreeMail - http://www.gmx.net From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Mon Mar 19 08:34:06 2001 Return-Path: Received: from kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.25]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id IAA26355 for ; Mon, 19 Mar 2001 08:34:06 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id IAA25165 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Mon, 19 Mar 2001 08:34:06 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id IAA25149 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Mon, 19 Mar 2001 08:34:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from mailout04.sul.t-online.com (mailout04.sul.t-online.com [194.25.134.18]) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id IAA25068 for ; Mon, 19 Mar 2001 08:34:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from fwd05.sul.t-online.com by mailout04.sul.t-online.com with smtp id 14eznO-00007F-04; Mon, 19 Mar 2001 14:34:02 +0100 Received: from [192.168.0.33] (07031811601-0001@[217.2.91.113]) by fmrl05.sul.t-online.com with esmtp id 14ezn9-0Z1XDkC; Mon, 19 Mar 2001 14:33:47 +0100 Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <2803.984931885@www32.gmx.net> References: <2803.984931885@www32.gmx.net> Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 09:05:59 +0100 To: netatalk-admins@umich.edu From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?J=FCrgen?= Weltzer Subject: Re: MacOS9, copying folders to server problem Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" ; format="flowed" X-Sender: 07031811601-0001@t-dialin.net Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu id IAA26355 I work with ...pre 39. A G3 Laptop with OS 9 has the same problems (sometimes I couldn't save a file to the server "file not found"...) with other Macs (other OS) all is working fine. It sees to be a problem with OS 9. -- Viele Grüße Jürgen Weltzer - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Werbeagentur Weltzer Max-Eyth-Straße 8 71065 Sindelfingen Tel. +49 (0) 70.31.81.32.31 Fax +49 (0) 70.31.81.16.01 http://www.w-ww.de/ - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Windows95/98/NT: 32 bit extension and a graphical shell for a 16 bit patch to an 8 bit operating system originally coded for a 4 bit microprocessor, written by a 2 bit company, that can't stand 1 bit of competition From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Mon Mar 19 13:43:09 2001 Return-Path: Received: from easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.26]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id NAA05760 for ; Mon, 19 Mar 2001 13:43:09 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id NAA01698 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Mon, 19 Mar 2001 13:43:09 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id NAA01685 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Mon, 19 Mar 2001 13:43:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from keam1 (keam1.vcc.bc.ca [142.30.247.21]) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with SMTP id NAA01616 for ; Mon, 19 Mar 2001 13:43:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from VCC-Message_Server by keam1 with Novell_GroupWise; Mon, 19 Mar 2001 10:44:33 -0800 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 5.5.4.1 Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 10:44:33 -0800 From: "Bryn Hughes" To: Subject: App copy problems (-50) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu id NAA05760 I'm having problems copying 'Application' files to my YellowDog Linux 1.2 with netatalk-1.4b2+asun2.1.3. Any time I try to copy an application file I get a -50 error. My logs at that time show the following: Mar 19 10:39:52 ccmf1 afpd[20189]: afp_addicon: Permission denied I own this directory, I have full ownership of the .AppleDouble directory contained within it. What causes this? This also happens on several other areas of the server. All files other than this can be copied no problem! Bryn -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ Bryn Hughes Macintosh Tech Support Information and Computing Services Vancouver Community College email:bhughes@vcc.bc.ca ph: (604) 443-8702 fax: (604) 443-8353 -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Mon Mar 19 14:22:00 2001 Return-Path: Received: from funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.27]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id OAA06973 for ; Mon, 19 Mar 2001 14:22:00 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id OAA29910 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Mon, 19 Mar 2001 14:21:52 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id OAA29811 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Mon, 19 Mar 2001 14:21:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from hemi.metrotv.com ([209.98.153.188]) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with SMTP id OAA29717 for ; Mon, 19 Mar 2001 14:21:45 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 38386 invoked by uid 1009); 19 Mar 2001 19:36:51 -0000 Received: from excursion.metrotv.com (HELO ?209.98.153.38?) (209.98.153.38) by mail.metrotv.com with SMTP; 19 Mar 2001 19:36:51 -0000 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/9.0.2509 Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 13:20:41 -0600 Subject: Appletalk over IP not working From: Eric Long To: Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit I've followed the instructions, searched on the web, in past mailing lists, etc. etc. and still cannot figure out how to get afpd to work. In my logs I get the following: main: atp_open: Can't assign requested address In my afpd.conf file: "MACHINE NAME" -tcp -ipaddr 192.158.1.1 -port 548 I'm specifying the correct ip address, even let afpd try grabbing an ip on its on (the box only has one IP assigned to it). I'm at a loss for what else I should try and do. Running netatalk 1.4b2 (installed from the ports collection with all the proper patches) on FreeBSD 4.1.1. Any suggestions? -Eric From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Mon Mar 19 15:13:32 2001 Return-Path: Received: from kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.25]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id PAA08060 for ; Mon, 19 Mar 2001 15:13:32 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id PAA05472 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Mon, 19 Mar 2001 15:13:32 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id PAA05436 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Mon, 19 Mar 2001 15:13:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from dionysus.terrascope.com (www.terrascope.com [63.140.215.162]) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id PAA04308 for ; Mon, 19 Mar 2001 15:13:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from terrascope.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dionysus.terrascope.com (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f2JKKRb18328; Mon, 19 Mar 2001 12:20:27 -0800 Sender: walt@dionysus.terrascope.com Message-ID: <3AB66A0A.F4E0129B@terrascope.com> Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 12:20:26 -0800 From: Walt Reed X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.2 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Eric Long , netatalk-admins@umich.edu Subject: Re: Appletalk over IP not working References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Eric Long wrote: > I've followed the instructions, searched on the web, in past mailing lists, > etc. etc. and still cannot figure out how to get afpd to work. > > In my logs I get the following: > > main: atp_open: Can't assign requested address > > In my afpd.conf file: > > "MACHINE NAME" -tcp -ipaddr 192.158.1.1 -port 548 > try this: machine_name -port 12001 -address 192.158.1.1 also, your specified address (xxx.158.xxx.xxx) looks a bit odd. do you mean xxx.168.xxx.xxx? w From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Mon Mar 19 15:55:55 2001 Return-Path: Received: from funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.27]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id PAA09286 for ; Mon, 19 Mar 2001 15:55:55 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id PAA19268 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Mon, 19 Mar 2001 15:55:47 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id PAA19256 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Mon, 19 Mar 2001 15:55:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from hemi.metrotv.com ([209.98.153.188]) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with SMTP id PAA19208 for ; Mon, 19 Mar 2001 15:55:44 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 39875 invoked by uid 1009); 19 Mar 2001 21:11:10 -0000 Received: from excursion.metrotv.com (HELO ?209.98.153.38?) (209.98.153.38) by mail.metrotv.com with SMTP; 19 Mar 2001 21:11:10 -0000 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/9.0.2509 Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 14:55:00 -0600 Subject: Re: Appletalk over IP not working From: Eric Long To: Walt Reed , Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <3AB66A0A.F4E0129B@terrascope.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit I tried that before, just tried it again, here's the error: netatalkbind: Can't assign requested address bind: Can't assign requested address >From the log file: afpd[6909]: main: atp_open: Can't assign requested address As for the IP, yes it looks a bit odd because I made a typo, it should be 168 not 158. -Eric >> I've followed the instructions, searched on the web, in past mailing lists, >> etc. etc. and still cannot figure out how to get afpd to work. >> >> In my logs I get the following: >> >> main: atp_open: Can't assign requested address >> >> In my afpd.conf file: >> >> "MACHINE NAME" -tcp -ipaddr 192.158.1.1 -port 548 >> > > try this: > > machine_name -port 12001 -address 192.158.1.1 > > also, your specified address (xxx.158.xxx.xxx) looks a bit odd. do you mean > xxx.168.xxx.xxx? > > w > > From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Mon Mar 19 17:04:37 2001 Return-Path: Received: from kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.25]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id RAA10989 for ; Mon, 19 Mar 2001 17:04:37 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id RAA13151 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Mon, 19 Mar 2001 17:04:37 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id RAA13122 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Mon, 19 Mar 2001 17:04:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from dionysus.terrascope.com (www.terrascope.com [63.140.215.162]) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id RAA13071 for ; Mon, 19 Mar 2001 17:04:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from terrascope.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dionysus.terrascope.com (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f2JMCSb18567 for ; Mon, 19 Mar 2001 14:12:28 -0800 Sender: walt@dionysus.terrascope.com Message-ID: <3AB6844C.596DD4D8@terrascope.com> Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 14:12:28 -0800 From: Walt Reed X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.2 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: netatalk-admins@umich.edu Subject: Re: Appletalk over IP not working References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit since the box has only one ip, what happens when you make the config: machine_name -port 12001 or nothing @ all? w Eric Long wrote: > I tried that before, just tried it again, here's the error: > > netatalkbind: Can't assign requested address > bind: Can't assign requested address > > >From the log file: > afpd[6909]: main: atp_open: Can't assign requested address > > As for the IP, yes it looks a bit odd because I made a typo, it should be > 168 not 158. > > -Eric > > >> I've followed the instructions, searched on the web, in past mailing lists, > >> etc. etc. and still cannot figure out how to get afpd to work. > >> > >> In my logs I get the following: > >> > >> main: atp_open: Can't assign requested address > >> > >> In my afpd.conf file: > >> > >> "MACHINE NAME" -tcp -ipaddr 192.158.1.1 -port 548 > >> > > > > try this: > > > > machine_name -port 12001 -address 192.158.1.1 > > > > also, your specified address (xxx.158.xxx.xxx) looks a bit odd. do you mean > > xxx.168.xxx.xxx? > > > > w > > > > From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Mon Mar 19 17:25:51 2001 Return-Path: Received: from kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.25]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id RAA11575 for ; Mon, 19 Mar 2001 17:25:51 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id RAA17354 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Mon, 19 Mar 2001 17:25:51 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id RAA17329 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Mon, 19 Mar 2001 17:25:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from hemi.metrotv.com ([209.98.153.188]) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with SMTP id RAA17287 for ; Mon, 19 Mar 2001 17:25:48 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 41176 invoked by uid 1009); 19 Mar 2001 22:41:07 -0000 Received: from excursion.metrotv.com (HELO ?209.98.153.38?) (209.98.153.38) by mail.metrotv.com with SMTP; 19 Mar 2001 22:41:07 -0000 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/9.0.2509 Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 16:24:57 -0600 Subject: Re: Appletalk over IP not working From: Eric Long To: Walt Reed , Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <3AB6844C.596DD4D8@terrascope.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Without any config file, it still gives me the same error. Same thing if I just specify a machine name and port number. What's weird is that if I start atalkd as well (I currently just need afpd), then afpd will run, but I have no clue how it's running because it's not binding to any address or port. I know this because I tried connecting when it was running and it didn't work. Whether or not afpd is running, I still see the "Can't assign requested address" message in my logs. Yes, my hosts.allow is configured correctly. I'm currently allowing ALL connections to the box. I have no way of telling if atalkd is actually working because this box is on another network and I'm setting this up remotely. Just want to do appletalk over TCP/IP. -Eric > since the box has only one ip, what happens when you make the config: > > machine_name -port 12001 > > or nothing @ all? > > w > > > Eric Long wrote: > >> I tried that before, just tried it again, here's the error: >> >> netatalkbind: Can't assign requested address >> bind: Can't assign requested address >> >>> From the log file: >> afpd[6909]: main: atp_open: Can't assign requested address >> >> As for the IP, yes it looks a bit odd because I made a typo, it should be >> 168 not 158. >> >> -Eric >> >>>> I've followed the instructions, searched on the web, in past mailing lists, >>>> etc. etc. and still cannot figure out how to get afpd to work. >>>> >>>> In my logs I get the following: >>>> >>>> main: atp_open: Can't assign requested address >>>> >>>> In my afpd.conf file: >>>> >>>> "MACHINE NAME" -tcp -ipaddr 192.158.1.1 -port 548 >>>> >>> >>> try this: >>> >>> machine_name -port 12001 -address 192.158.1.1 >>> >>> also, your specified address (xxx.158.xxx.xxx) looks a bit odd. do you mean >>> xxx.168.xxx.xxx? >>> >>> w >>> >>> > > From sam@rogue.shadow.org Mon Mar 19 17:44:30 2001 Return-Path: Received: from rogue.shadow.org (dsl-209-162-215-114.easystreet.com [209.162.215.114]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id RAA11987 for ; Mon, 19 Mar 2001 17:44:25 -0500 (EST) Received: (from sam@localhost) by rogue.shadow.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA24091 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rs.itd.umich.edu; Mon, 19 Mar 2001 14:44:24 -0800 Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 14:44:23 -0800 From: sam@shadow.org To: netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu Subject: netatalk with AuthMan UAM Message-ID: <20010319144423.A24082@shadow.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i Okay, this is a little more complicated than I'd really like -- HOWEVER... I'm trying to resurrect the krb4 code in the sourceforge netatalk... I can now successfully load Kerberos IV as a uam but things don't just magically work and I'm hoping somebody here might be able to suggest places for me to tinker... First I tried using MIT's Kerberos4/5 client (and I'd like to eventually use this anyway, but for now that can wait) unsuccessfully. Now I'm using the MacKerberos non-UM 2.0.4 as distributed via www.umich.edu/~rsug... Using the AuthMan in 2.0.4 I can successfully acquire a kerberos 4 ticket but when I try to mount a netatalk volume via the chooser, I get an error to the effect of "Sorry, the UAM on the server is too old an AuthMan version". Has anybody done any work to netatalk to rectify this? Alternatively, I've tried using the AuthMan UAM 1.1 (also from the same place at umich, distributed as AuthManUAMSrc.sea) and I seem to get a little bit further. The appleshare client brings up a "Select Logon Method" dialog but the listbox that ought to contain logon methods is empty. Does this indicate that I've made a mistake building the krb4 uam? Suggestions? /* Sam */ From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Mon Mar 19 17:48:27 2001 Return-Path: Received: from kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.25]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id RAA12053 for ; Mon, 19 Mar 2001 17:48:27 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id RAA22289 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Mon, 19 Mar 2001 17:48:27 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id RAA22276 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Mon, 19 Mar 2001 17:48:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from abductee.12inch.com (smtp.visusmedia.com [38.241.102.2]) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id RAA22244 for ; Mon, 19 Mar 2001 17:48:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from [192.168.200.10] (sc-24-165-68-116.socal.rr.com [24.165.68.116]) by abductee.12inch.com (8.9.3/8.8.7) with ESMTP id OAA09148; Mon, 19 Mar 2001 14:55:07 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Macintosh Eudora Pro Version 4.2.1-J Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 14:43:28 -0800 To: Eric Long , Walt Reed , From: alan premselaar Subject: Re: Appletalk over IP not working Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-2022-jp" ; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit you *are* running netatalk 1.4b2 + asun, correct? without the asun extensions to the netatalk package, it doesn't support appleshare over TCP/IP At 4:24$B8a8e(B -0600 3.19.01, Eric Long wrote: >Without any config file, it still gives me the same error. Same thing if I >just specify a machine name and port number. > >What's weird is that if I start atalkd as well (I currently just need afpd), >then afpd will run, but I have no clue how it's running because it's not >binding to any address or port. I know this because I tried connecting when >it was running and it didn't work. > >Whether or not afpd is running, I still see the "Can't assign requested >address" message in my logs. > >Yes, my hosts.allow is configured correctly. I'm currently allowing ALL >connections to the box. I have no way of telling if atalkd is actually >working because this box is on another network and I'm setting this up >remotely. Just want to do appletalk over TCP/IP. > >-Eric > > > since the box has only one ip, what happens when you make the config: > > > > machine_name -port 12001 > > > > or nothing @ all? > > > > w > > > > > > Eric Long wrote: > > > >> I tried that before, just tried it again, here's the error: > >> > >> netatalkbind: Can't assign requested address > >> bind: Can't assign requested address > >> > >>> From the log file: > >> afpd[6909]: main: atp_open: Can't assign requested address > >> > >> As for the IP, yes it looks a bit odd because I made a typo, it should be > >> 168 not 158. > >> > >> -Eric > >> > >>>> I've followed the instructions, searched on the web, in past mailing >lists, > >>>> etc. etc. and still cannot figure out how to get afpd to work. > >>>> > >>>> In my logs I get the following: > >>>> > >>>> main: atp_open: Can't assign requested address > >>>> > >>>> In my afpd.conf file: > >>>> > >>>> "MACHINE NAME" -tcp -ipaddr 192.158.1.1 -port 548 > >>>> > >>> > >>> try this: > >>> > >>> machine_name -port 12001 -address 192.158.1.1 > >>> > >>> also, your specified address (xxx.158.xxx.xxx) looks a bit odd. do >you mean > >>> xxx.168.xxx.xxx? > >>> > >>> w > >>> > >>> > > > > ---- there's nothing like the undying sense of reliability provided by modern technology. ---- alan premselaar alien@12inch.com www.12inch.com From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Mon Mar 19 18:16:12 2001 Return-Path: Received: from funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.27]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id SAA12694 for ; Mon, 19 Mar 2001 18:16:12 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id SAA16041 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Mon, 19 Mar 2001 18:16:05 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id SAA16013 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Mon, 19 Mar 2001 18:16:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from smart.visp-europe.psi.com (smart.visp-europe.psi.com [212.222.105.5]) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id SAA15962 for ; Mon, 19 Mar 2001 18:16:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from ns09-n66-213.de.inter.net ([213.73.66.213] helo=athlet.deltaman.de) by smart.visp-europe.psi.com with esmtp (Exim 3.22 #1) id 14f8sh-0007JY-00 for netatalk-admins@umich.edu; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 00:16:07 +0100 Received: from athlet (root@athlet.deltaman.de [192.168.1.254]) by athlet.deltaman.de (8.9.3/8.9.3/SuSE Linux 8.9.3-0.1) with SMTP id AAA10991 for ; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 00:07:59 +0100 From: Carsten Neumann Reply-To: deltor@snafu.de To: netatalk-admins@umich.edu Subject: Re: App copy problems (-50) Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 00:01:46 +0100 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.0.28] Content-Type: text/plain References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <01032000075800.10373@athlet> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu id SAA12694 On Mon, 19 Mar 2001, Bryn Hughes wrote: > I'm having problems copying 'Application' files to my YellowDog Linux 1.2 with netatalk-1.4b2+asun2.1.3. > > Any time I try to copy an application file I get a -50 error. My logs at that time show the following: > > Mar 19 10:39:52 ccmf1 afpd[20189]: afp_addicon: Permission denied > > I own this directory, I have full ownership of the .AppleDouble directory contained within it. > > What causes this? This also happens on several other areas of the server. All files other than this can be copied no problem! > > Bryn Who's the owner / what are the permissions of the ".AppleDesktop" dir (at top of the exported Apple Volume!)? Does it exist at all? Regards Carsten From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Mon Mar 19 18:30:25 2001 Return-Path: Received: from kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.25]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id SAA13042 for ; Mon, 19 Mar 2001 18:30:24 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id SAA28741 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Mon, 19 Mar 2001 18:30:24 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id SAA28723 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Mon, 19 Mar 2001 18:30:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from gromit.daemonize.com (adsl-63-204-212-186.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [63.204.212.186]) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id SAA28681 for ; Mon, 19 Mar 2001 18:30:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from paulkrohn.com (wallace.daemonize.com [10.77.1.3]) by gromit.daemonize.com (8.9.3/8.9.2) with ESMTP id PAA18517 for ; Mon, 19 Mar 2001 15:30:20 -0800 Message-ID: <3AB69674.1A4E8985@paulkrohn.com> Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 15:29:56 -0800 From: Paul Krohn X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "netatalk-admins@umich.edu" Subject: Re: Appletalk over IP not working References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit the message: "afpd[6909]: main: atp_open: Can't assign requested address" means the requested address that can't be assigned is the appletalk address. the message goes away when you start atalkd, because then afpd has something to bind to. one way to tell if afpd ahs indeed bound to port 548 is to telnet to that port and see if you get an answer. should look something like this: $ telnet x.x.x.x 548 Trying x.x.x.x ... Connected to . Escape character is '^]'. also, just so we're all clear, when you say "Just want to do appletalk over TCP/IP", don't you mean appleshare over tcp/ip? also, there has been a lot of discussion in tha past about properly configured /etc/hosts files. is the interface you want afpd to bind to named in /etc/hosts? it might be helpful to make sure both the client and the server have proper forward & reverse dns entries, or at least /etc/hosts entries. > > At 4:24$B8a8e(B -0600 3.19.01, Eric Long wrote: > >Without any config file, it still gives me the same error. Same thing if I > >just specify a machine name and port number. > > > >What's weird is that if I start atalkd as well (I currently just need afpd), > >then afpd will run, but I have no clue how it's running because it's not > >binding to any address or port. I know this because I tried connecting when > >it was running and it didn't work. > > From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Mon Mar 19 19:44:48 2001 Return-Path: Received: from kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.25]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id TAA14355 for ; Mon, 19 Mar 2001 19:44:48 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id TAA20884 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Mon, 19 Mar 2001 19:44:48 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id TAA20866 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Mon, 19 Mar 2001 19:44:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from keam1 (keam1.vcc.bc.ca [142.30.247.21]) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with SMTP id TAA20839 for ; Mon, 19 Mar 2001 19:44:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from VCC-Message_Server by keam1 with Novell_GroupWise; Mon, 19 Mar 2001 16:46:14 -0800 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 5.5.4.1 Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 16:46:04 -0800 From: "Bryn Hughes" To: Subject: Re: App copy problems (-50) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu id TAA14355 The .AppleDouble directory does exist... ug+rwX. On another share, the problem seems to have been caused by the .Parent file within .AppleDouble being given execute permissions. Taking those away fixed the problem. The root level of this share is read-only to everyone, will this matter? The .AppleDouble directory has its own permissions set obviously. Bryn >>> Carsten Neumann - 3/19/01 3:01 PM >>> On Mon, 19 Mar 2001, Bryn Hughes wrote: > I'm having problems copying 'Application' files to my YellowDog Linux 1.2 with netatalk-1.4b2+asun2.1.3. > > Any time I try to copy an application file I get a -50 error. My logs at that time show the following: > > Mar 19 10:39:52 ccmf1 afpd[20189]: afp_addicon: Permission denied > > I own this directory, I have full ownership of the .AppleDouble directory contained within it. > > What causes this? This also happens on several other areas of the server. All files other than this can be copied no problem! > > Bryn Who's the owner / what are the permissions of the ".AppleDesktop" dir (at top of the exported Apple Volume!)? Does it exist at all? Regards Carsten From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Mon Mar 19 20:13:57 2001 Return-Path: Received: from funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.27]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id UAA14795 for ; Mon, 19 Mar 2001 20:13:57 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id UAA24788 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Mon, 19 Mar 2001 20:13:51 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id UAA24771 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Mon, 19 Mar 2001 20:13:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from hemi.metrotv.com ([209.98.153.188]) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with SMTP id UAA24742 for ; Mon, 19 Mar 2001 20:13:49 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 43701 invoked by uid 1009); 20 Mar 2001 01:29:15 -0000 Received: from excursion.metrotv.com (HELO ?209.98.153.38?) (209.98.153.38) by mail.metrotv.com with SMTP; 20 Mar 2001 01:29:15 -0000 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/9.0.2509 Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 19:13:03 -0600 Subject: Re: Appletalk over IP not working From: Eric Long To: alan premselaar , Walt Reed , Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Thank you, sir. I am not running netatalk 1.4b2 + asun, so this explains everything. Sadly, 1.4b2 + asun from the FreeBSD ports package does not compile. Yet another thing to research. Thanks. -Eric > you *are* running netatalk 1.4b2 + asun, correct? > > without the asun extensions to the netatalk package, it doesn't support > appleshare over TCP/IP > > At 4:24?? -0600 3.19.01, Eric Long wrote: >> Without any config file, it still gives me the same error. Same thing if I >> just specify a machine name and port number. >> >> What's weird is that if I start atalkd as well (I currently just need afpd), >> then afpd will run, but I have no clue how it's running because it's not >> binding to any address or port. I know this because I tried connecting when >> it was running and it didn't work. >> >> Whether or not afpd is running, I still see the "Can't assign requested >> address" message in my logs. >> >> Yes, my hosts.allow is configured correctly. I'm currently allowing ALL >> connections to the box. I have no way of telling if atalkd is actually >> working because this box is on another network and I'm setting this up >> remotely. Just want to do appletalk over TCP/IP. >> >> -Eric >> >>> since the box has only one ip, what happens when you make the config: >>> >>> machine_name -port 12001 >>> >>> or nothing @ all? >>> >>> w >>> >>> >>> Eric Long wrote: >>> >>>> I tried that before, just tried it again, here's the error: >>>> >>>> netatalkbind: Can't assign requested address >>>> bind: Can't assign requested address >>>> >>>>> From the log file: >>>> afpd[6909]: main: atp_open: Can't assign requested address >>>> >>>> As for the IP, yes it looks a bit odd because I made a typo, it should be >>>> 168 not 158. >>>> >>>> -Eric >>>> >>>>>> I've followed the instructions, searched on the web, in past mailing >> lists, >>>>>> etc. etc. and still cannot figure out how to get afpd to work. >>>>>> >>>>>> In my logs I get the following: >>>>>> >>>>>> main: atp_open: Can't assign requested address >>>>>> >>>>>> In my afpd.conf file: >>>>>> >>>>>> "MACHINE NAME" -tcp -ipaddr 192.158.1.1 -port 548 >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> try this: >>>>> >>>>> machine_name -port 12001 -address 192.158.1.1 >>>>> >>>>> also, your specified address (xxx.158.xxx.xxx) looks a bit odd. do >> you mean >>>>> xxx.168.xxx.xxx? >>>>> >>>>> w >>>>> >>>>> >>> >>> > > ---- > there's nothing like the undying sense of reliability provided by modern > technology. > ---- > alan premselaar > alien@12inch.com > www.12inch.com > > From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Mon Mar 19 20:15:45 2001 Return-Path: Received: from funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.27]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id UAA15014 for ; Mon, 19 Mar 2001 20:15:45 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id UAA27145 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Mon, 19 Mar 2001 20:15:38 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id UAA27134 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Mon, 19 Mar 2001 20:15:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from hemi.metrotv.com ([209.98.153.188]) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with SMTP id UAA27106 for ; Mon, 19 Mar 2001 20:15:37 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 43743 invoked by uid 1009); 20 Mar 2001 01:31:03 -0000 Received: from excursion.metrotv.com (HELO ?209.98.153.38?) (209.98.153.38) by mail.metrotv.com with SMTP; 20 Mar 2001 01:31:03 -0000 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/9.0.2509 Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 19:14:52 -0600 Subject: Re: Appletalk over IP not working From: Eric Long To: Paul Krohn , "netatalk-admins@umich.edu" Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <3AB69674.1A4E8985@paulkrohn.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit > the message: "afpd[6909]: main: atp_open: Can't assign requested > address" means the requested address that can't be assigned is the > appletalk address. the message goes away when you start atalkd, because > then afpd has something to bind to. Understood. > one way to tell if afpd ahs indeed bound to port 548 is to telnet to > that port and see if you get an answer. should look something like this: > > $ telnet x.x.x.x 548 > Trying x.x.x.x ... > Connected to . > Escape character is '^]'. Did that, didn't work. See my message in response to another posting to this list. I do not have 1.4b2 + asun extensions installed. > also, just so we're all clear, when you say "Just want to do appletalk > over TCP/IP", don't you mean appleshare over tcp/ip? Yes, of course. > also, there has been a lot of discussion in tha past about properly > configured /etc/hosts files. is the interface you want afpd to bind to > named in /etc/hosts? it might be helpful to make sure both the client > and the server have proper forward & reverse dns entries, or at least > /etc/hosts entries. /etc/hosts is fine as are forward and reverse dns. I need to get past the compiling errors of 1.4b2 + asun. Thanks for the suggestions. -Eric >> >> At 4:24$B8a8e(B -0600 3.19.01, Eric Long wrote: >>> Without any config file, it still gives me the same error. Same thing if I >>> just specify a machine name and port number. >>> >>> What's weird is that if I start atalkd as well (I currently just need afpd), >>> then afpd will run, but I have no clue how it's running because it's not >>> binding to any address or port. I know this because I tried connecting when >>> it was running and it didn't work. >>> > > > > From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Mon Mar 19 20:48:46 2001 Return-Path: Received: from easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.26]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id UAA15627 for ; Mon, 19 Mar 2001 20:48:46 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id UAA03558 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Mon, 19 Mar 2001 20:48:46 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id UAA03550 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Mon, 19 Mar 2001 20:48:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from clever.visp-europe.psi.com (clever.visp-europe.psi.com [212.222.105.4]) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id UAA03527 for ; Mon, 19 Mar 2001 20:48:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from ns11-n67-082.de.inter.net ([213.73.67.82] helo=athlet.deltaman.de) by clever.visp-europe.psi.com with esmtp (Exim 3.22 #1) id 14fBGN-0006hj-00 for netatalk-admins@umich.edu; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 02:48:43 +0100 Received: from athlet (root@athlet.deltaman.de [192.168.1.254]) by athlet.deltaman.de (8.9.3/8.9.3/SuSE Linux 8.9.3-0.1) with SMTP id CAA11509 for ; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 02:43:48 +0100 From: Carsten Neumann Reply-To: deltor@snafu.de To: netatalk-admins@umich.edu Subject: Re: App copy problems (-50) Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 02:27:14 +0100 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.0.28] Content-Type: text/plain References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <01032002434700.11470@athlet> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu id UAA15627 On Tue, 20 Mar 2001, Bryn Hughes wrote: > The .AppleDouble directory does exist... ug+rwX. Once more: I wrote (and meant) ".AppleDesktop". DESKTOP, _not_ DOUBLE! TOP OF DESK, not TWICE OF SINGLE! ;-) Thats the database where the location of Apps and its icons are stored for the Creators of files. > > On another share, the problem seems to have been caused by the .Parent file within .AppleDouble being given execute permissions. Taking those away fixed the problem. > > The root level of this share is read-only to everyone, will this matter? The .AppleDouble directory has its own permissions set obviously. > > Bryn > > >>> Carsten Neumann - 3/19/01 3:01 PM >>> > On Mon, 19 Mar 2001, Bryn Hughes wrote: > > I'm having problems copying 'Application' files to my YellowDog Linux 1.2 with netatalk-1.4b2+asun2.1.3. > > > > Any time I try to copy an application file I get a -50 error. My logs at that time show the following: > > > > Mar 19 10:39:52 ccmf1 afpd[20189]: afp_addicon: Permission denied > > > > I own this directory, I have full ownership of the .AppleDouble directory contained within it. > > > > What causes this? This also happens on several other areas of the server. All files other than this can be copied no problem! > > > > Bryn > > Who's the owner / what are the permissions of the ".AppleDesktop" dir (at top of the exported Apple Volume!)? > Does it exist at all? > > Regards > > Carsten Regards, again Carsten From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Tue Mar 20 00:57:18 2001 Return-Path: Received: from funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.27]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id AAA20860 for ; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 00:57:18 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id AAA08881 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 00:57:11 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id AAA08868 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 00:57:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from soda.csua.berkeley.edu (soda.CSUA.Berkeley.EDU [128.32.43.52]) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id AAA08843 for ; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 00:57:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (akopps@localhost) by soda.csua.berkeley.edu (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id f2K5vGx31438 for ; Mon, 19 Mar 2001 21:57:16 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from akopps@csua.berkeley.edu) Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 21:57:16 -0800 (PST) From: Akop Pogosian To: Subject: Inconsistent cr/lf translation Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I use netatalk-1.4b2+asun2.1.3 on Solaris 2.6 When I upload a text file from a mac to our server, the translation doesn't happen and the file is filled with "^M" characters. Now, when I copy this file back to my mac, the lines are now delimited with newlines. If I copy this file filled with newlines to the server, no translation happens again. If I copy it back to the mac, the newlines are finally replaced with the cartridge returns. It seems to me that the translation happens only when the file is copied -from- the server. Is this a normal behavior? From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Tue Mar 20 03:34:46 2001 Return-Path: Received: from easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.26]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id DAA23344 for ; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 03:34:46 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id DAA08150 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 03:34:46 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id DAA08139 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 03:34:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from amse.pair.com (amse.pair.com [209.68.2.55]) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with SMTP id DAA08116 for ; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 03:34:44 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 76706 invoked by uid 3013); 20 Mar 2001 08:34:43 -0000 Received: from localhost (sendmail-bs@127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 20 Mar 2001 08:34:43 -0000 Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 03:34:43 -0500 (EST) From: "j.g. ungar" X-Sender: To: Subject: postscript error printing to network PCL laserjet Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I've got netatalk 1.5pre5 built from source on my RH7 (well, it started out as a RH7 machine, now kernel 2.4.2) box working nicely, except for printing from my mac (OS 9.04 box). The printer is an HP LaserJet 6L (non-postscript) with an Edimax PrintSir Plus (PS-900+) 'pocket size' print server attached. The Linux machine prints just fine to this server via LPR, including PostScript (well, the RH printtool test page works fine anyway). My papd.conf is pretty minimal: ophelia:\ :pr=lp: Unfortunately I can't print anything from the Mac. Syslog shows: Mar 20 00:25:09 anubis papd[19861]: child 20140 for "ophelia" from 65345.119 Mar 20 00:25:09 anubis papd[20140]: read_ppd .ppd: No such file or directory Mar 20 00:25:10 anubis papd[20140]: lp_init: lock: No such file or directory Mar 20 00:25:10 anubis papd[20140]: lp_open failed Mar 20 00:25:10 anubis papd[19861]: child 20140 done Hmmm. I'm not sure how to proceed in trying to get this working. At one time I was able to print to this printer from the mac, using Netatalk, but the printer was attached to the PC's parallel port, not on the network with a print server as it is now. Any suggestions ? Thanks - jonathan ungar From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Tue Mar 20 03:45:04 2001 Return-Path: Received: from easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.26]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id DAA23458 for ; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 03:45:04 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id DAA17616 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 03:45:04 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id DAA17608 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 03:45:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from amse.pair.com (amse.pair.com [209.68.2.55]) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with SMTP id DAA17593 for ; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 03:45:03 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 76973 invoked by uid 3013); 20 Mar 2001 08:45:02 -0000 Received: from localhost (sendmail-bs@127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 20 Mar 2001 08:45:02 -0000 Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 03:45:02 -0500 (EST) From: "j.g. ungar" X-Sender: To: Subject: Re: postscript error printing to network PCL laserjet In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > Unfortunately I can't print anything from the Mac. Syslog shows: and I meant to mention, the mac just says "a postscript error has occurred". -- From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Tue Mar 20 04:11:56 2001 Return-Path: Received: from easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.26]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id EAA23772 for ; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 04:11:55 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id EAA13579 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 04:11:55 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id EAA13567 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 04:11:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from abductee.12inch.com (smtp.visusmedia.com [38.241.102.2]) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id EAA13549 for ; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 04:11:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from [192.168.200.10] (sc-24-165-68-116.socal.rr.com [24.165.68.116]) by abductee.12inch.com (8.9.3/8.8.7) with ESMTP id BAA10477; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 01:18:39 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Macintosh Eudora Pro Version 4.2.1-J Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 01:10:38 -0800 To: "j.g. ungar" , From: alan premselaar Subject: Re: postscript error printing to network PCL laserjet Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-2022-jp" ; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Just a couple of ideas. first, are you *SURE* that your RH printtool is sending postscript to the printer? the printer isn't postscript capable, so that would mean that your Edimax PrintSir (which i'm not familiar with) would have to know how to translate postscript into HPCL. secondly, the error messages you're seeing with regards to the .ppd files, are basically saying you don't have a PPD file defined. You'd want your papd.conf to look similar to: ophelia:\ :pr=lp:pd=: (my setup is pd=/usr/lib/atalk/ppds/) thirdly, the error messages with regards to the lock file makes me think that your /etc/printcap file isn't configured properly. even though you're sending the jobs to a remote printer, you should probably still define a spool directory for your lp: definition in /etc/printcap (to be on the safe side and to create lock files in) you'll also want to setup any postscript filters in your /etc/printcap file as well. lastly, and most importantly, if your RH printtool is NOT sending postscript, and you don't *actually* have a postscript interpreter somewhere between your mac and your printer, it just won't work. hope this is helpful alan At 3:34$B8aA0(B -0500 3.20.01, j.g. ungar wrote: >I've got netatalk 1.5pre5 built from source on my RH7 (well, it started >out as a RH7 machine, now kernel 2.4.2) box working nicely, except for >printing from my mac (OS 9.04 box). > >The printer is an HP LaserJet 6L (non-postscript) with an Edimax PrintSir >Plus (PS-900+) 'pocket size' print server attached. The Linux machine >prints just fine to this server via LPR, including PostScript (well, the >RH printtool test page works fine anyway). > >My papd.conf is pretty minimal: > >ophelia:\ > :pr=lp: > > >Unfortunately I can't print anything from the Mac. Syslog shows: > >Mar 20 00:25:09 anubis papd[19861]: child 20140 for "ophelia" from >65345.119 >Mar 20 00:25:09 anubis papd[20140]: read_ppd .ppd: No such file or >directory >Mar 20 00:25:10 anubis papd[20140]: lp_init: lock: No such file or >directory >Mar 20 00:25:10 anubis papd[20140]: lp_open failed >Mar 20 00:25:10 anubis papd[19861]: child 20140 done > > >Hmmm. I'm not sure how to proceed in trying to get this working. At one >time I was able to print to this printer from the mac, using Netatalk, but >the printer was attached to the PC's parallel port, not on the network >with a print server as it is now. > >Any suggestions ? > > > >Thanks - > > >jonathan ungar ---- there's nothing like the undying sense of reliability provided by modern technology. ---- alan premselaar alien@12inch.com www.12inch.com From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Tue Mar 20 04:12:06 2001 Return-Path: Received: from kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.25]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id EAA23793 for ; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 04:12:06 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id EAA05493 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 04:12:06 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id EAA05483 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 04:12:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from gyurma.netcity.hu (gyurma.netcity.hu [195.228.105.195]) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id EAA05437 for ; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 04:12:03 -0500 (EST) Received: by gyurma.netcity.hu (Postfix, from userid 502) id 5892AA91C; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 10:11:55 +0100 (CET) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by gyurma.netcity.hu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B206127E; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 10:11:55 +0100 (CET) Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 10:11:55 +0100 (CET) From: Akos Szabo To: "j.g. ungar" Cc: Subject: Re: postscript error printing to network PCL laserjet In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT On Tue, 20 Mar 2001, j.g. ungar wrote: > > Unfortunately I can't print anything from the Mac. Syslog shows: > and I meant to mention, the mac just says "a postscript error has > occurred". Do You want to print from Quarkexpress? If I want to print from it, I must disable the binary communication, and evrything will be fine. -- Ciao: Fonya Amit a lynx nem mutat meg, azt kįr is megnézni. PGP key: `finger fonya@gyurma.netcity.hu` From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Tue Mar 20 09:05:52 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from wes@localhost) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with X.500 id JAA28206 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 09:05:52 -0500 (EST) Received: (from wes@localhost) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with X.500 id JAA28204 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 09:05:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id JAA28195; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 09:05:47 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <200103201405.JAA28195@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu> From: wesley.craig@umich.edu To: sam@shadow.org cc: netatalk-admins@umich.edu Subject: Re: netatalk with AuthMan UAM In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 19 Mar 2001 14:44:23 PST." <20010319144423.A24082@shadow.org> Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 09:05:47 -0500 Sender: wes@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu > From: sam@shadow.org > To: netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu > First I tried using MIT's Kerberos4/5 client (and I'd like to eventually > use this anyway, but for now that can wait) unsuccessfully. Now I'm > using the MacKerberos non-UM 2.0.4 as distributed via > www.umich.edu/~rsug... Using the AuthMan in 2.0.4 I can successfully > acquire a kerberos 4 ticket but when I try to mount a netatalk volume > via the chooser, I get an error to the effect of "Sorry, the UAM on the > server is too old an AuthMan version". Has anybody done any work to > netatalk to rectify this? Looks like you've made good progress! The Kerberos IV server UAM that you found at sourceforge probably doesn't match the protocol used in the most recent client UAM code. We made changes to both to support AFP over TCP -- Apple changed the API to support DSI. You can find server code that matches the most recent client code at ftp://rsug.itd.umich.edu/pub/users/wes/netatalk-1.4b2+asun2.1.3um0.tar.gz If you're interested making the most current UAM work with both AuthMan and MIT's "Kerberos for Macintosh", we can provide you with the source code. Are you planning to add K5 support to the UAM and afpd? :wes From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Tue Mar 20 10:33:17 2001 Return-Path: Received: from kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.25]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id KAA00661 for ; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 10:33:17 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id KAA03841 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 10:33:17 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id KAA03794 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 10:33:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from franc.ucdavis.edu (franc.ucdavis.edu [169.237.105.2]) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id KAA03773 for ; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 10:33:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from prometheus.mailbox.ucdavis.edu (iras-2-42.ucdavis.edu [169.237.16.170]) by franc.ucdavis.edu (8.11.1/8.11.0/IT4.4.8) with ESMTP id f2KFX5E02773; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 07:33:06 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <5.0.2.1.0.20010320065251.00a91980@127.0.0.1> X-Sender: itlm019/mailbox.ucdavis.edu@127.0.0.1 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0.2 Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 06:58:23 -0800 To: "j.g. ungar" , From: "Marc J. Miller" Subject: Re: postscript error printing to network PCL laserjet In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=====================_2914120==_.ALT" --=====================_2914120==_.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed We had a similar situation with the PPR print queue. Our solution was to use Ghostscript as a filter and have it process the jobs using the ljet4 filter so that it's converted to PCL. Our LaserJet 8150DN is okay with it, and even allows us to control the duplexing that way (one wouldn't think Ghostscript would bother converting the PostScript duplexor codes into PCL, but it did). I haven't worked with the netatalk printing software, but could you maybe set up the same sort of thing? BTW, the 8150DN is a PostScript printer, but after talking to HP, we've determined that the Adobe-standard PostScript being generated by our Mac clients just isn't compatible enough with Hewlett-Packard's version of it. That's why we're switching to PCL. At 03:34 AM 3/20/01 -0500, j.g. ungar wrote: >I've got netatalk 1.5pre5 built from source on my RH7 (well, it started >out as a RH7 machine, now kernel 2.4.2) box working nicely, except for >printing from my mac (OS 9.04 box). > >The printer is an HP LaserJet 6L (non-postscript) with an Edimax PrintSir >Plus (PS-900+) 'pocket size' print server attached. The Linux machine >prints just fine to this server via LPR, including PostScript (well, the >RH printtool test page works fine anyway). > >My papd.conf is pretty minimal: > >ophelia:\ > :pr=lp: > > >Unfortunately I can't print anything from the Mac. Syslog shows: > >Mar 20 00:25:09 anubis papd[19861]: child 20140 for "ophelia" from >65345.119 >Mar 20 00:25:09 anubis papd[20140]: read_ppd .ppd: No such file or >directory >Mar 20 00:25:10 anubis papd[20140]: lp_init: lock: No such file or >directory >Mar 20 00:25:10 anubis papd[20140]: lp_open failed >Mar 20 00:25:10 anubis papd[19861]: child 20140 done > > >Hmmm. I'm not sure how to proceed in trying to get this working. At one >time I was able to print to this printer from the mac, using Netatalk, but >the printer was attached to the PC's parallel port, not on the network >with a print server as it is now. > >Any suggestions ? > > > >Thanks - > > >jonathan ungar --=====================_2914120==_.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" We had a similar situation with the PPR print queue.  Our solution was to use Ghostscript as a filter and have it process the jobs using the ljet4 filter so that it's converted to PCL.  Our LaserJet 8150DN is okay with it, and even allows us to control the duplexing that way (one wouldn't think Ghostscript would bother converting the PostScript duplexor codes into PCL, but it did).  I haven't worked with the netatalk printing software, but could you maybe set up the same sort of thing? 

BTW, the 8150DN is a PostScript printer, but after talking to HP, we've determined that the Adobe-standard PostScript being generated by our Mac clients just isn't compatible enough with Hewlett-Packard's version of it.  That's why we're switching to PCL.

At 03:34 AM 3/20/01 -0500, j.g. ungar wrote:


I've got netatalk 1.5pre5 built from source on my RH7 (well, it started
out as a RH7 machine, now kernel 2.4.2) box working nicely, except for
printing from my mac (OS 9.04 box).

The printer is an HP LaserJet 6L (non-postscript) with an Edimax PrintSir
Plus (PS-900+) 'pocket size' print server attached. The Linux machine
prints just fine to this server via LPR, including PostScript (well, the
RH printtool test page works fine anyway).

My papd.conf is pretty minimal:

ophelia:\
        :pr=lp:


Unfortunately I can't print anything from the Mac. Syslog shows:

Mar 20 00:25:09 anubis papd[19861]: child 20140 for "ophelia" from
65345.119
Mar 20 00:25:09 anubis papd[20140]: read_ppd .ppd: No such file or
directory
Mar 20 00:25:10 anubis papd[20140]: lp_init: lock: No such file or
directory
Mar 20 00:25:10 anubis papd[20140]: lp_open failed
Mar 20 00:25:10 anubis papd[19861]: child 20140 done


Hmmm.  I'm not sure how to proceed in trying to get this working. At one
time I was able to print to this printer from the mac, using Netatalk, but
the printer was attached to the PC's parallel port, not on the network
with a print server as it is now.

Any suggestions ?



Thanks -


jonathan ungar
--=====================_2914120==_.ALT-- From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Tue Mar 20 10:51:09 2001 Return-Path: Received: from kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.25]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id KAA01176 for ; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 10:51:09 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id KAA28399 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 10:51:09 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id KAA28374 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 10:51:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from igamac84.epfl.ch (igamac84.epfl.ch [128.178.179.145]) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id KAA28330 for ; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 10:51:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from epfl.ch (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by igamac84.epfl.ch (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA01886 for ; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 16:51:05 +0100 Sender: honza@igamac84.epfl.ch Message-ID: <3AB77C67.2A7C4986@epfl.ch> Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 16:51:03 +0100 From: Honza Fikar X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.18 ppc) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: netatalk-admins@umich.edu Subject: afpd problem with netatalk-1.5pre5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello, I've recently updated the netatalk package of my linux-ppc to version 1.5pre5 and I'm no more able to mount any volume from other Mac machine. The authentication is ok (works also for guest) and then afpd exits with 127. On the Mac side I get error message "lost connection to server". Am I missing something? Mar 20 16:45:51 igamac84 afpd[1874]: ASIP session:548(2) from 128.178.179.134:2048(0) Mar 20 16:45:51 igamac84 afpd[1762]: server_child[1] 1874 done Mar 20 16:45:57 igamac84 afpd[1875]: ASIP session:548(2) from 128.178.179.134:2049(0) Mar 20 16:45:57 igamac84 afpd[1875]: randnum/rand2num login: honza Mar 20 16:45:58 igamac84 afpd[1875]: login honza (uid 500, gid 500) Mar 20 16:45:59 igamac84 afpd[1762]: server_child[1] 1875 exited 127 Mar 20 16:46:02 igamac84 afpd[1876]: ASIP session:548(2) from 128.178.179.134:2050(0) Mar 20 16:46:02 igamac84 afpd[1762]: server_child[1] 1876 done Mar 20 16:46:04 igamac84 afpd[1877]: ASIP session:548(2) from 128.178.179.134:2051(0) Mar 20 16:46:04 igamac84 afpd[1877]: login noauth Mar 20 16:46:04 igamac84 afpd[1877]: login nobody (uid 99, gid 99) Mar 20 16:46:06 igamac84 afpd[1762]: server_child[1] 1877 exited 127 Best regards Honza From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Tue Mar 20 11:15:42 2001 Return-Path: Received: from kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.25]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id LAA02344 for ; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 11:15:42 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id LAA03200 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 11:15:42 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id LAA03187 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 11:15:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from callisto.gac.edu (callisto.gac.edu [138.236.128.19]) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id LAA03136 for ; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 11:15:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from solen.gac.edu (root@solen.gac.edu [138.236.128.18]) by callisto.gac.edu (8.10.1/8.10.1/1.0) with ESMTP id f2KGR5024489; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 10:27:05 -0600 Received: from gac.edu (Mozart.it.gac.edu [138.236.68.126]) by solen.gac.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/GAC-HUB-2.43) with ESMTP id KAA04419; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 10:17:03 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <3AB7826A.5E757F84@gac.edu> Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 10:16:42 -0600 From: Curtis Hulett Organization: Gustavus Adolphus College X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Karen A Swanberg CC: netatalk-admins@umich.edu Subject: Re: rand2num passwords OpenBSD 2.8 References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Have you created the afppasswd file? I was having the same problem as you untill yesterday when I realized I might not have the correct passwcd file. I just used afppasswd -c to create it and then changed the passwords for my test accounts. I then had to add -uamlist uams_randnum.so to the server's entry in afpd.conf to the server to use encryption. I'm running 1.5pre5 on Redhat 6.2 and clients running OS9. My question is: is there another way to get encryption to work? It would be nice to have encrypted passwords, but still be able to use /etc/shadow as the passwd file. -Curtis Karen A Swanberg wrote: > > I've scoured the mail archives and the docs for the answer to this one, it > should be working... > > I've installed netatalk 1.4b2+asun2.1.3 on an OpenBSD 2.8 > server. Everything works except getting encrypted passwords. I've tried a > number of things. First, my makefile did have the directory to find des.a > and libdes.a, and compiled without errors. Is there something I need to do > to activate DES in the OpenBSD kernel? I can't imagine the default GENERIC > kernel doesn't have it turned on. > > I had my rc.local file disabling guest as it launched afpd for awhile, > with the -G option, but turned it off while working on this problem. > > Right now my afpd.conf files says: > > "server" -noguest -nocleartext -savepassword -setpassword -rand2num > > AppleVolumes.default has: > > ~ > /home/public "PublicFileShare" > > The macs will still let me on, but the login screen says "cleartext" and > won't let me change or set passwords. This is true on OS 8.1, 8.6 and > 9.0.4. > > .passwd exists in my home directory, and in /home/public, and has > the correct permissions etc. > > When I make those changes to afpd.conf, and SIGHUP afpd and atalkd, this > turns up in /var/log/daemon: > > afpd[24529] disallowing logins > > But I can still log in from the macs as myself and the test account. > > I just started working with Netatalk a week or so ago, so I'm still fairly > new to it's workings. > > I see references to afppasswd in the mail archives, but no such thing > exists on my system. Is that linux only? > > I think I'm missing something really simple. Anyone see it? > > And, another really stupid question. I was using the precompiled > port/package of netatalk for OpenBSD first, and had problems. So I > compiled the one I'm using now and it works much better. But the port had > the BSD devil icon on the share tray instead of the world, which the > compiled version has. I'd like the BSD icon back, but when I get the copy > on the BSD webpage, it's not transparent, and I can't get it to be > transparent. I've tried a number of methods to make it transparent, but > apparently I'm much more graphically challenged than I thought. I don't > suppose someone would be willing to send me a copy of the transparent BSD > appleshare icon? > > Thanks and sincerely, > > * * > Karen Swanberg | > Network Admin. | Error: Sector not found-- > Dept. of Geology/Geophysics |search behind couch? (Y/N) > 206 Pillsbury Hall | > 310 Pillsbury Ave. SE | > University of Mn | Enter any 11-digit prime > Minneapolis, MN 55455 | number to continue... > (612) 624-6541 | > * * From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Tue Mar 20 12:57:29 2001 Return-Path: Received: from kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.25]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id MAA05200 for ; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 12:57:29 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id MAA05709 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 12:57:29 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id MAA05701 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 12:57:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from keam1 (keam1.vcc.bc.ca [142.30.247.21]) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with SMTP id MAA05685 for ; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 12:57:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from VCC-Message_Server by keam1 with Novell_GroupWise; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 09:59:10 -0800 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 5.5.4.1 Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 09:58:45 -0800 From: "Bryn Hughes" To: , Subject: Re: App copy problems (-50) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu id MAA05200 Whoops, read your first message too fast! That directory did not exist, and even better, the users don't have write access to the root level, so of course that was it. After creating the .AppleDesktop directory and setting the correct permissions, it worked fine. Thanks!!! Bryn >>> Carsten Neumann 03/19/01 17:50 PM >>> On Tue, 20 Mar 2001, Bryn Hughes wrote: > The .AppleDouble directory does exist... ug+rwX. Once more: I wrote (and meant) ".AppleDesktop". DESKTOP, _not_ DOUBLE! TOP OF DESK, not TWICE OF SINGLE! ;-) Thats the database where the location of Apps and its icons are stored for the Creators of files. > > On another share, the problem seems to have been caused by the .Parent file within .AppleDouble being given execute permissions. Taking those away fixed the problem. > > The root level of this share is read-only to everyone, will this matter? The .AppleDouble directory has its own permissions set obviously. > > Bryn > > >>> Carsten Neumann - 3/19/01 3:01 PM >>> > On Mon, 19 Mar 2001, Bryn Hughes wrote: > > I'm having problems copying 'Application' files to my YellowDog Linux 1.2 with netatalk-1.4b2+asun2.1.3. > > > > Any time I try to copy an application file I get a -50 error. My logs at that time show the following: > > > > Mar 19 10:39:52 ccmf1 afpd[20189]: afp_addicon: Permission denied > > > > I own this directory, I have full ownership of the .AppleDouble directory contained within it. > > > > What causes this? This also happens on several other areas of the server. All files other than this can be copied no problem! > > > > Bryn > > Who's the owner / what are the permissions of the ".AppleDesktop" dir (at top of the exported Apple Volum!)? > Does it exist at all? > > Regards > > Carsten Regards, again Carsten From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Tue Mar 20 13:19:36 2001 Return-Path: Received: from kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.25]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id NAA05838 for ; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 13:19:36 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id NAA07055 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 13:19:36 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id NAA07018 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 13:19:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from callisto.gac.edu (callisto.gac.edu [138.236.128.19]) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id NAA06974 for ; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 13:19:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from solen.gac.edu (root@solen.gac.edu [138.236.128.18]) by callisto.gac.edu (8.10.1/8.10.1/1.0) with ESMTP id f2KIUx030700 for ; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 12:30:59 -0600 Received: from gac.edu (Mozart.it.gac.edu [138.236.68.126]) by solen.gac.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/GAC-HUB-2.43) with ESMTP id MAA07283 for ; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 12:20:57 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <3AB79F74.CC9C6EBE@gac.edu> Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 12:20:36 -0600 From: Curtis Hulett Organization: Gustavus Adolphus College X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: netatalk-admins@umich.edu Subject: Problems copying to shares Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I am running 1.5pre5 on redhat 6.2. I have netatalk installed and users are authenticated correctly and I can see shares. I am however having problems with the shares. The client macs are running OS 9.0.4 the exact message the finder gives me is The Item "" cannot be written, because it is locked. Do you want to continue? I get this when copying from the local harddisk to the network share. The file is NOT locked on the harddisk and this only happens when going to a netatalk share. When I say continue a O byte file is created on the share. An entry is also created in the .AppleDouble directory. I can successfully create directories. The unix permissions are fine on the directory I'm sharing. The permissions on the .AppleDouble directory are drwxr-xr-x The permissions on the .AppleDouble/.Parent file are -rw-r--r-- . All the permissions on other files in the .AppleDouble are ---------- I suspect this is causeing me the problems. /var/log/messages has the following: Mar 20 12:53:01 dot afpd[20411]: randnum/rand2num login: chulett Mar 20 12:53:01 dot afpd[20411]: 0.11KB read, 0.10KB written Mar 20 12:53:01 dot afpd[20320]: server_child[1] 20411 done Mar 20 12:53:06 dot afpd[20415]: ASIP session:548(2) from 138.236.68.21:49156(0) Mar 20 12:53:06 dot afpd[20415]: randnum/rand2num login: chulett Mar 20 12:53:06 dot afpd[20415]: login chulett (uid 20040, gid 1006) Mar 20 12:53:08 dot afpd[20415]: setdirowner: chown -1/0 .AppleDouble/.Parent: Operation not permitted Mar 20 12:55:25 dot afpd[20415]: logout chulett Mar 20 12:55:25 dot afpd[20415]: 6.42KB read, 21.59KB written Mar 20 12:55:25 dot afpd[20320]: server_child[1] 20415 done My afpd has the following: "Guest Volume" -tcp -port 12000 -uamlist uams_guest.so -loginmesg "Welcome guest!" "User Volume" -tcp -uamlist uams_randnum.so My AppleVolumes.default is very simple ~ Thanks -Curtis From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Tue Mar 20 14:59:20 2001 Return-Path: Received: from easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.26]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id OAA09390 for ; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 14:59:20 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id OAA04701 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 14:59:20 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id OAA04664 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 14:59:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from mailout00.sul.t-online.com (mailout00.sul.t-online.com [194.25.134.16]) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id OAA04587 for ; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 14:59:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from fwd04.sul.t-online.com by mailout00.sul.t-online.com with smtp id 14fSHi-0008IW-02; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 20:59:14 +0100 Received: from [192.168.0.33] (07031811601-0001@[217.2.89.191]) by fmrl04.sul.t-online.com with esmtp id 14fSHJ-15vd44C; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 20:58:49 +0100 Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3AB79F74.CC9C6EBE@gac.edu> References: <3AB79F74.CC9C6EBE@gac.edu> Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 21:00:31 +0100 To: netatalk-admins@umich.edu From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?J=FCrgen?= Weltzer Subject: Re: Problems copying to shares Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" ; format="flowed" X-Sender: 07031811601-0001@t-dialin.net Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu id OAA09390 > >Mar 20 12:53:08 dot afpd[20415]: setdirowner: chown -1/0 >.AppleDouble/.Parent: Operation not permitted I find this too in my var/log/messages what does this mean? How can I fix it? Thanks. -- Viele Grüße Jürgen Weltzer - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Werbeagentur Weltzer Max-Eyth-Straße 8 71065 Sindelfingen Tel. +49 (0) 70.31.81.32.31 Fax +49 (0) 70.31.81.16.01 http://www.w-ww.de/ - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Windows95/98/NT: 32 bit extension and a graphical shell for a 16 bit patch to an 8 bit operating system originally coded for a 4 bit microprocessor, written by a 2 bit company, that can't stand 1 bit of competition From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Tue Mar 20 15:16:28 2001 Return-Path: Received: from kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.25]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id PAA10221 for ; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 15:16:27 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id PAA14778 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 15:16:27 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id PAA14730 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 15:16:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from wifomail.med.uni-muenchen.de (wifomail.med.uni-muenchen.de [138.245.16.100]) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id PAA14335 for ; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 15:16:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from marcsmultios (war52n.anr.med.uni-muenchen.de [138.245.145.192]) by wifomail.med.uni-muenchen.de (8.10.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id f2KKFrT20009 for ; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 21:15:53 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <002801c0b17a$7f53f8f0$c091f58a@anr.med.unimuenchen.de> From: "Marc Lazarovici" To: References: <3AB79F74.CC9C6EBE@gac.edu> Subject: Re: Problems copying to shares Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 21:15:19 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 ----- Original Message ----- From: Curtis Hulett To: Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2001 7:20 PM Subject: Problems copying to shares > I am running 1.5pre5 on redhat 6.2. I have netatalk installed and users > are authenticated correctly and I can see shares. I am however having > problems with the shares. The client macs are running OS 9.0.4 > the exact message the finder gives me is > > The Item "" cannot be written, because it is locked. Do you > want to continue? > > I get this when copying from the local harddisk to the network share. > The file is NOT locked on the harddisk and this only happens when going > to a netatalk share. When I say continue a O byte file is created on the > share. An entry is also created in the .AppleDouble directory. I can > successfully create directories. > > The unix permissions are fine on the directory I'm sharing. The > permissions on the .AppleDouble directory are drwxr-xr-x The permissions > on the .AppleDouble/.Parent file are -rw-r--r-- . All the permissions > on other files in the .AppleDouble are ---------- I suspect this is > causeing me the problems. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I am having the same problem, with 1.5pre5 on LinuxPPC - I tried setting the permissions of all files in .AppleDouble to rwxrwxrwx, also to the .Parent file - no effect. > /var/log/messages has the following: > > Mar 20 12:53:01 dot afpd[20411]: randnum/rand2num login: chulett > Mar 20 12:53:01 dot afpd[20411]: 0.11KB read, 0.10KB written > Mar 20 12:53:01 dot afpd[20320]: server_child[1] 20411 done > Mar 20 12:53:06 dot afpd[20415]: ASIP session:548(2) from > 138.236.68.21:49156(0) > Mar 20 12:53:06 dot afpd[20415]: randnum/rand2num login: chulett > Mar 20 12:53:06 dot afpd[20415]: login chulett (uid 20040, gid 1006) > Mar 20 12:53:08 dot afpd[20415]: setdirowner: chown -1/0 > .AppleDouble/.Parent: Operation not permitted > Mar 20 12:55:25 dot afpd[20415]: logout chulett > Mar 20 12:55:25 dot afpd[20415]: 6.42KB read, 21.59KB written > Mar 20 12:55:25 dot afpd[20320]: server_child[1] 20415 done > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> My log messages are quite similar. Is there a way to get afpd more verbose? Perhaps it would tell us more about the problem... Marc Lazarovici From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Tue Mar 20 20:48:43 2001 Return-Path: Received: from easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.26]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id UAA19548 for ; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 20:48:43 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id UAA23861 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 20:48:43 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id UAA23848 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 20:48:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from srv13-poa.poa.terra.com.br (srv13-poa.poa.zaz.com.br [200.248.149.91]) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id UAA23802 for ; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 20:48:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtptst.poa.terra.com.br (smtptst.poa.terra.com.br [200.248.149.244]) by srv13-poa.poa.terra.com.br (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA18566; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 22:48:29 -0300 Received: from flinux (dl-adsl-sao-C8B6D028.sao.terra.com.br [200.182.208.40]) (authenticated user engfmv) by smtptst.poa.terra.com.br (8.11.0/8.11.1) with ESMTP id f2L1mNx02674; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 22:48:24 -0300 Reply-To: From: "Eng. Fernando Meirelles Vieira" To: "alan premselaar" , "Eric Long" , "Walt Reed" , Subject: station locks Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 22:48:26 -0300 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-2022-jp" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 In-Reply-To: I have a net Linux RedHat 6.2 with 4 mac and 4 pc, with samba and AppleTalk: netatalk-1.4b2+asun2.1.3, has 3 HD - 1 SCSI 4,5 - 1 IDE 20G - 1 IDE 30G, when 1 or more workstation records in HD 30G the station MAC locks "Samba" not erro It follows log in the moment of the mistake + / - 10:16: /var/log/messages Mar 21 10:11:33 linux last message repeated 2 times Mar 21 10:12:37 linux last message repeated 2 times ====================== Mar 21 10:13:09 linux modprobe: modprobe: Can't locate module char-major-6 Mar 21 10:13:39 linux afpd[1469]: afp_alarm: child timed out Mar 21 10:13:39 linux afpd[1469]: 30048.99KB read, 1122.12KB written Mar 21 10:13:39 linux PAM_pwdb[1469]: (netatalk) session closed for user fernando Mar 21 10:13:39 linux afpd[1276]: server_child[1] 1469 exited 1 ====================== Mar 21 10:13:41 linux modprobe: modprobe: Can't locate module char-major-6 Mar 21 10:14:13 linux modprobe: modprobe: Can't locate module char-major-6 ====================== Mar 21 10:15:17 linux last message repeated 2 times Mar 21 10:16:21 linux last message repeated 2 times Mar 21 10:16:24 linux afpd[1649]: ASIP session:548(1) from 10.10.10.169:49152(2) Mar 21 10:16:24 linux afpd[1276]: server_child[1] 1649 done Mar 21 10:16:35 linux afpd[1652]: ASIP session:548(1) from 10.10.10.169:49153(2) Mar 21 10:16:35 linux PAM_pwdb[1652]: (netatalk) session opened for user fernando by (uid=0) Mar 21 10:16:35 linux afpd[1652]: login fernando (uid 500, gid 4) Mar 21 10:16:35 linux afpd[1652]: afp_getsrvrparms: stat /home/fernando: No such file or directory Mar 21 10:16:53 linux modprobe: modprobe: Can't locate module char-major-6 Mar 21 10:17:25 linux modprobe: modprobe: Can't locate module char-major-6 Mar 21 10:18:29 linux last message repeated 2 times []s Fernando engfmv@terra.com.br Brazil From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Tue Mar 20 21:15:59 2001 Return-Path: Received: from kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.25]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id VAA20049 for ; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 21:15:59 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id VAA29308 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 21:15:59 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id VAA29287 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 21:15:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from runner.ucdavis.edu (runner.ucdavis.edu [169.237.105.37]) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id VAA29234 for ; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 21:15:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (itlm019@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by runner.ucdavis.edu (8.11.1/8.11.0/IT4.4.8) with ESMTP id f2L2Fqx28349; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 18:15:52 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 18:15:52 -0800 (PST) From: Marc Miller X-Sender: itlm019@runner.ucdavis.edu To: "Eng. Fernando Meirelles Vieira" cc: netatalk-admins@umich.edu Subject: Re: station locks In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Looks like your AppleVolumes.default is still at its default of ~ (make home directories mountable). If that's not your intention, you need to either modify AppleVolumes.default or create a home directory for this user. As for size, I'm pretty sure I read that 20G is pretty much the maximum netatalk 1.4b2 or MacOS (or both?) can understand. Some changes have been made in the 1.5 prereleases to break the 20G barrier, but I'm not quite sure how it's handled. If it was a MacOS problem, I'd write the code to always return 20G free if the free space is >= 20G. But I'm not sure how that patch was written. I work with a 2G hard drive, so it's not something I've had the opportunity to play around with. :) On Tue, 20 Mar 2001, Eng. Fernando Meirelles Vieira wrote: > I have a net Linux RedHat 6.2 with 4 mac and 4 pc, > with samba and AppleTalk: netatalk-1.4b2+asun2.1.3, > has 3 HD - 1 SCSI 4,5 - 1 IDE 20G - 1 IDE 30G, > when 1 or more workstation records in HD 30G the station MAC locks > > "Samba" not erro > > It follows log in the moment of the mistake + / - 10:16: > > /var/log/messages > > Mar 21 10:11:33 linux last message repeated 2 times > Mar 21 10:12:37 linux last message repeated 2 times > ====================== > Mar 21 10:13:09 linux modprobe: modprobe: Can't locate module char-major-6 > Mar 21 10:13:39 linux afpd[1469]: afp_alarm: child timed out > Mar 21 10:13:39 linux afpd[1469]: 30048.99KB read, 1122.12KB written > Mar 21 10:13:39 linux PAM_pwdb[1469]: (netatalk) session closed for user > fernando > Mar 21 10:13:39 linux afpd[1276]: server_child[1] 1469 exited 1 > ====================== > Mar 21 10:13:41 linux modprobe: modprobe: Can't locate module char-major-6 > Mar 21 10:14:13 linux modprobe: modprobe: Can't locate module char-major-6 > ====================== > Mar 21 10:15:17 linux last message repeated 2 times > Mar 21 10:16:21 linux last message repeated 2 times > Mar 21 10:16:24 linux afpd[1649]: ASIP session:548(1) from > 10.10.10.169:49152(2) > Mar 21 10:16:24 linux afpd[1276]: server_child[1] 1649 done > Mar 21 10:16:35 linux afpd[1652]: ASIP session:548(1) from > 10.10.10.169:49153(2) > Mar 21 10:16:35 linux PAM_pwdb[1652]: (netatalk) session opened for user > fernando by (uid=0) > Mar 21 10:16:35 linux afpd[1652]: login fernando (uid 500, gid 4) > Mar 21 10:16:35 linux afpd[1652]: afp_getsrvrparms: stat /home/fernando: No > such file or directory > Mar 21 10:16:53 linux modprobe: modprobe: Can't locate module char-major-6 > Mar 21 10:17:25 linux modprobe: modprobe: Can't locate module char-major-6 > Mar 21 10:18:29 linux last message repeated 2 times > > []s > Fernando > engfmv@terra.com.br > Brazil > ============================================================ /\/\arc ._|. /\/\iller (itlm019@mailbox.ucdavis.edu) Computer Room Consultant Information Technology/Lab Management ============================================================ I can be contacted through the Communication Center link from http://www.mother.com/~mjmiller/ From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Tue Mar 20 21:37:19 2001 Return-Path: Received: from easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.26]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id VAA20385 for ; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 21:37:19 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id VAA15812 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 21:37:19 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id VAA15800 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 21:37:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.arcor-ip.de (mail-ffm-p.arcor-ip.de [145.253.2.10]) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id VAA15661 for ; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 21:37:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from [192.168.1.20] (213.23.36.249) by mail.arcor-ip.de; 21 Mar 2001 03:37:04 +0100 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: jgrantha@mail.hannover.sgh-net.de Message-Id: Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 03:35:11 +0100 To: netatalk-admins@umich.edu From: John L Grantham Subject: Probs with netatalk -- server crashes Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Hi all, I've been having some weird troubles with netatalk-1.4b2+asun2.1.3-7 on a beige G3 with LinuxPPC 2000 Q4, kernel 2.2.18, an Asante 10/100BaseT Ethernet card, and IBM 30 GB Deskstar IDE drive. It all had been working just fine for months until today, literally as I was working and saving a file to the server from a Mac. The Macs are all running Mac OS 9.1, most connected via 100BaseT Ethernet. Here is the phenomenon: 1. When I try to copy a file to the server, the Mac reads the file into memory, then gets stuck once trying to send it to the server; eventually, the server will close the connection. Meanwhile, the server keeps trying to write the file (even after the connection is closed) so that it balloons to many megabytes (even over a gigabyte) in size, until I stop atalkd and kill -9 afpd (that seems to be the only way to stop this from happening more). 2. Copying from the server works fine most of the time, but sometimes during a long copy, especially involving many files, the server will close the connection before the copy is finished. When problem 2 shows up, this appears in /var/log/messages: Mar 21 03:27:11 localhost afpd[946]: dsi_stream_read(-1): Connection reset by peer Mar 21 03:27:11 localhost afpd[946]: dsi_stream_write: Broken pipe Mar 21 03:27:11 localhost afpd[946]: 1091.27KB read, 28239.01KB written Mar 21 03:27:11 localhost PAM_pwdb[946]: (netatalk) session closed for user John Mar 21 03:27:11 localhost afpd[946]: dsi_stream_write: Broken pipe Mar 21 03:27:11 localhost afpd[670]: server_child[1] 946 exited 1 If other Macs are connected, they don't seem to be affected, unless they are also trying to copy at the same time. I had a power outage yesterday, but I checked the filesystems with fsck -fv, and everything seems to be okay. And it worked okay after the outage -- just suddenly stopped working today. The only other thing that changed on the server today was that I installed a Voodoo graphic card -- but that can't affect it, can it? Everything else on the computer seems to work fine (XFree86, normal copying, SSH/scp, etc.). As it happens, I also tried updating to netatalk-1.5pre5, and ended up having exactly the same problems others have mentioned -- not being able to copy to the server because of a lack of access privileges, with resource files showing up in .AppleDouble with no permissions (---------). So I downgraded to 1.4b2+asun2.1.3-7 again, and then the two problems above reappeared. Any suggestions? Cheers, John PS Please CC me on any response -- thanks! -- John Grantham | Dipl.-Designer (FH) | Homepage http://design.macnews.de/ | Linux for PPC http://www.linuxppc.org/ Web Designer | AGD Member http://www.agd.de/ From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Tue Mar 20 21:38:57 2001 Return-Path: Received: from easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.26]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id VAA20453 for ; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 21:38:56 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id VAA17454 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 21:38:56 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id VAA17438 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 21:38:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from srv13-poa.poa.terra.com.br (srv13-poa.poa.zaz.com.br [200.248.149.91]) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id VAA17393 for ; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 21:38:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtptst.poa.terra.com.br (smtptst.poa.terra.com.br [200.248.149.244]) by srv13-poa.poa.terra.com.br (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA13252; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 23:38:53 -0300 Received: from flinux (dl-adsl-sao-C8B6D028.sao.terra.com.br [200.182.208.40]) (authenticated user engfmv) by smtptst.poa.terra.com.br (8.11.0/8.11.1) with ESMTP id f2L2clx04352; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 23:38:47 -0300 Reply-To: From: "Eng. Fernando Meirelles Vieira" To: "Marc Miller" Cc: Subject: RES: station locks Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 23:38:46 -0300 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 In-Reply-To: Thank you for the clue, more I will admit that I don't know how to configure AppleVolumes.default correctly. My parameters are: papd.conf <--- Pattern of the installation afpd.conf <--- Pattern of the installation config <--- Pattern of the installation AppleVolumes.system <--- Pattern of the installation AppleVolumes.default ======================================= /home/fernando /home/dir-pc /home/hdrede hdrede access=fernando,henrique,marcelo,@adm,@trabalho /home/hd30 hd30 access=fernando,henrique,marcelo,@adm,@trabalho /mnt/cdrom ~ ======================================= atalk.conf ======================================= eth1 -phase 2 -net 0-65534 -addr 65280.162 ======================================= -----Mensagem original----- De: Marc Miller [mailto:itlm019@mailbox.ucdavis.edu] Enviada em: terca-feira, 20 de marco de 2001 23:16 Para: Eng. Fernando Meirelles Vieira Cc: netatalk-admins@umich.edu Assunto: Re: station locks Looks like your AppleVolumes.default is still at its default of ~ (make home directories mountable). If that's not your intention, you need to either modify AppleVolumes.default or create a home directory for this user. As for size, I'm pretty sure I read that 20G is pretty much the maximum netatalk 1.4b2 or MacOS (or both?) can understand. Some changes have been made in the 1.5 prereleases to break the 20G barrier, but I'm not quite sure how it's handled. If it was a MacOS problem, I'd write the code to always return 20G free if the free space is >= 20G. But I'm not sure how that patch was written. I work with a 2G hard drive, so it's not something I've had the opportunity to play around with. :) On Tue, 20 Mar 2001, Eng. Fernando Meirelles Vieira wrote: > I have a net Linux RedHat 6.2 with 4 mac and 4 pc, > with samba and AppleTalk: netatalk-1.4b2+asun2.1.3, > has 3 HD - 1 SCSI 4,5 - 1 IDE 20G - 1 IDE 30G, > when 1 or more workstation records in HD 30G the station MAC locks > > "Samba" not erro > > It follows log in the moment of the mistake + / - 10:16: > > /var/log/messages > > Mar 21 10:11:33 linux last message repeated 2 times > Mar 21 10:12:37 linux last message repeated 2 times > ====================== > Mar 21 10:13:09 linux modprobe: modprobe: Can't locate module char-major-6 > Mar 21 10:13:39 linux afpd[1469]: afp_alarm: child timed out > Mar 21 10:13:39 linux afpd[1469]: 30048.99KB read, 1122.12KB written > Mar 21 10:13:39 linux PAM_pwdb[1469]: (netatalk) session closed for user > fernando > Mar 21 10:13:39 linux afpd[1276]: server_child[1] 1469 exited 1 > ====================== > Mar 21 10:13:41 linux modprobe: modprobe: Can't locate module char-major-6 > Mar 21 10:14:13 linux modprobe: modprobe: Can't locate module char-major-6 > ====================== > Mar 21 10:15:17 linux last message repeated 2 times > Mar 21 10:16:21 linux last message repeated 2 times > Mar 21 10:16:24 linux afpd[1649]: ASIP session:548(1) from > 10.10.10.169:49152(2) > Mar 21 10:16:24 linux afpd[1276]: server_child[1] 1649 done > Mar 21 10:16:35 linux afpd[1652]: ASIP session:548(1) from > 10.10.10.169:49153(2) > Mar 21 10:16:35 linux PAM_pwdb[1652]: (netatalk) session opened for user > fernando by (uid=0) > Mar 21 10:16:35 linux afpd[1652]: login fernando (uid 500, gid 4) > Mar 21 10:16:35 linux afpd[1652]: afp_getsrvrparms: stat /home/fernando: No > such file or directory > Mar 21 10:16:53 linux modprobe: modprobe: Can't locate module char-major-6 > Mar 21 10:17:25 linux modprobe: modprobe: Can't locate module char-major-6 > Mar 21 10:18:29 linux last message repeated 2 times > > []s > Fernando > engfmv@terra.com.br > Brazil > ============================================================ /\/\arc ._|. /\/\iller (itlm019@mailbox.ucdavis.edu) Computer Room Consultant Information Technology/Lab Management ============================================================ I can be contacted through the Communication Center link from http://www.mother.com/~mjmiller/ From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Tue Mar 20 21:49:40 2001 Return-Path: Received: from funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.27]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id VAA20838 for ; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 21:49:40 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id VAA02443 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 21:49:33 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id VAA02426 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 21:49:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from postal.interaccess.com (from.interaccess.com [207.208.131.20]) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id VAA02386 for ; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 21:49:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from [192.168.1.118] (a10.240.208.207.ded25.interaccess.com [207.208.240.10]) by postal.interaccess.com (8.10.2/8.10.2) with ESMTP id f2L2nXk06974 for ; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 20:49:34 -0600 (CST) User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 20:48:42 -0600 Subject: Re: station locks From: "Bruce A. Burdick, Jr." To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit I have a G3 with a 45GB drive under OS 9.1. Everything on the drive is accessible. And the Finder accurately displays the space. So if it is a Mac problem, it must be an earlier system. -B... > From: Marc Miller > Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 18:15:52 -0800 (PST) > To: "Eng. Fernando Meirelles Vieira" > Cc: netatalk-admins@umich.edu > Subject: Re: station locks > Resent-From: netatalk-admins@umich.edu > Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 21:20:49 -0500 (EST) > > Looks like your AppleVolumes.default is still at its default of ~ (make > home directories mountable). If that's not your intention, you need to > either modify AppleVolumes.default or create a home directory for this > user. > > As for size, I'm pretty sure I read that 20G is pretty much the maximum > netatalk 1.4b2 or MacOS (or both?) can understand. Some changes have been > made in the 1.5 prereleases to break the 20G barrier, but I'm not quite > sure how it's handled. If it was a MacOS problem, I'd write the code to > always return 20G free if the free space is >= 20G. But I'm not sure how > that patch was written. I work with a 2G hard drive, so it's not > something I've had the opportunity to play around with. :) > > On Tue, 20 Mar 2001, Eng. Fernando Meirelles Vieira wrote: > >> I have a net Linux RedHat 6.2 with 4 mac and 4 pc, >> with samba and AppleTalk: netatalk-1.4b2+asun2.1.3, >> has 3 HD - 1 SCSI 4,5 - 1 IDE 20G - 1 IDE 30G, >> when 1 or more workstation records in HD 30G the station MAC locks >> >> "Samba" not erro >> >> It follows log in the moment of the mistake + / - 10:16: >> >> /var/log/messages >> >> Mar 21 10:11:33 linux last message repeated 2 times >> Mar 21 10:12:37 linux last message repeated 2 times >> ====================== >> Mar 21 10:13:09 linux modprobe: modprobe: Can't locate module char-major-6 >> Mar 21 10:13:39 linux afpd[1469]: afp_alarm: child timed out >> Mar 21 10:13:39 linux afpd[1469]: 30048.99KB read, 1122.12KB written >> Mar 21 10:13:39 linux PAM_pwdb[1469]: (netatalk) session closed for user >> fernando >> Mar 21 10:13:39 linux afpd[1276]: server_child[1] 1469 exited 1 >> ====================== >> Mar 21 10:13:41 linux modprobe: modprobe: Can't locate module char-major-6 >> Mar 21 10:14:13 linux modprobe: modprobe: Can't locate module char-major-6 >> ====================== >> Mar 21 10:15:17 linux last message repeated 2 times >> Mar 21 10:16:21 linux last message repeated 2 times >> Mar 21 10:16:24 linux afpd[1649]: ASIP session:548(1) from >> 10.10.10.169:49152(2) >> Mar 21 10:16:24 linux afpd[1276]: server_child[1] 1649 done >> Mar 21 10:16:35 linux afpd[1652]: ASIP session:548(1) from >> 10.10.10.169:49153(2) >> Mar 21 10:16:35 linux PAM_pwdb[1652]: (netatalk) session opened for user >> fernando by (uid=0) >> Mar 21 10:16:35 linux afpd[1652]: login fernando (uid 500, gid 4) >> Mar 21 10:16:35 linux afpd[1652]: afp_getsrvrparms: stat /home/fernando: No >> such file or directory >> Mar 21 10:16:53 linux modprobe: modprobe: Can't locate module char-major-6 >> Mar 21 10:17:25 linux modprobe: modprobe: Can't locate module char-major-6 >> Mar 21 10:18:29 linux last message repeated 2 times >> >> []s >> Fernando >> engfmv@terra.com.br >> Brazil >> > > ============================================================ > /\/\arc ._|. /\/\iller (itlm019@mailbox.ucdavis.edu) > Computer Room Consultant > Information Technology/Lab Management > ============================================================ > I can be contacted through the Communication Center link from > http://www.mother.com/~mjmiller/ > From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Tue Mar 20 22:12:05 2001 Return-Path: Received: from easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.26]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id WAA21288 for ; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 22:12:05 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id WAA22429 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 22:12:04 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id WAA22416 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 22:12:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from ltsc.ucsb.edu (ltsc.ucsb.edu [128.111.224.224]) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id WAA22404 for ; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 22:12:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from [192.168.0.1] ([63.194.57.46]) by ltsc.ucsb.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA22877 for ; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 19:12:01 -0800 Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 19:11:32 -0800 From: David R Bosso To: netatalk-admins@umich.edu Subject: Re: station locks Message-ID: <374658.3194104292@[192.168.0.1]> In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Mulberry/2.0.3 (MacOS) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline --On Tuesday, March 20, 2001 6:15 PM -0800 Marc Miller wrote: > Looks like your AppleVolumes.default is still at its default of ~ (make > home directories mountable). If that's not your intention, you need to > either modify AppleVolumes.default or create a home directory for this > user. > > As for size, I'm pretty sure I read that 20G is pretty much the maximum > netatalk 1.4b2 or MacOS (or both?) can understand. Some changes have been > made in the 1.5 prereleases to break the 20G barrier, but I'm not quite > sure how it's handled. If it was a MacOS problem, I'd write the code to > always return 20G free if the free space is >= 20G. But I'm not sure how > that patch was written. I work with a 2G hard drive, so it's not > something I've had the opportunity to play around with. :) Interesting. I've got a 40G+ partition working fine with the last asun version, I haven't got around to installing one of the 1.5 prereleases yet. -David From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Tue Mar 20 23:17:50 2001 Return-Path: Received: from funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.27]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id XAA22873 for ; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 23:17:50 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id XAA14863 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 23:17:42 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id XAA14838 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 23:17:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.arcor-ip.de (mail-ffm-p.arcor-ip.de [145.253.2.10]) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id XAA14800 for ; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 23:17:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from [192.168.1.20] (213.23.36.249) by mail.arcor-ip.de; 21 Mar 2001 05:17:47 +0100 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: jgrantha@mail.hannover.sgh-net.de Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 05:15:54 +0100 To: Takashi Oe , John L Grantham From: John L Grantham Subject: Re: Probs with netatalk -- server crashes Cc: linuxppc-user@lists.linuxppc.org, netatalk-admins@umich.edu Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" At 9:50 pm -0600 20/3/01, Takashi Oe wrote: >On Wed, 21 Mar 2001, John L Grantham wrote: > >> >> I've been having some weird troubles with netatalk-1.4b2+asun2.1.3-7 >> >> on a beige G3 with LinuxPPC 2000 Q4, kernel 2.2.18, an Asante >> >> 10/100BaseT Ethernet card, and IBM 30 GB Deskstar IDE drive. >> > >> >[...] >> > >> >> Any suggestions? >> > >> >Is the built-in network used in this scenario? >> >> It is used, yes, but only for connecting to DSL. The Asante card is >> connected to the LAN. > >Ok, so it's not a bmac problem for sure. Well, I suppose you could remove >the voodoo card and see if anything changes as it is the only change. You >have changed your kernel, right? Actually, no. I hadn't gotten that far yet. ;-) One thing I just tried for the hell of it (let's just say I start getting, er, "creative" at 5 am...): chmod -R g+s /netatalk/mount/point That seems to have solved the problem of copying *to* the server, but *from* the server is still goofy. But why the permissions would suddenly all go blooey is a mystery... Naturally I get this to halfway work _after_ hours of painstakingly copying files to various Macs in the LAN in preparation for a reformat of the drive. *sigh* cya John -- John Grantham | Dipl.-Designer (FH) | Homepage http://design.macnews.de/ | Linux for PPC http://www.linuxppc.org/ Web Designer | AGD Member http://www.agd.de/ From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Wed Mar 21 00:28:32 2001 Return-Path: Received: from funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.27]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id AAA24286 for ; Wed, 21 Mar 2001 00:28:32 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id AAA03695 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Wed, 21 Mar 2001 00:28:25 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id AAA03671 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Wed, 21 Mar 2001 00:28:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from runner.ucdavis.edu (runner.ucdavis.edu [169.237.105.37]) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id AAA03618 for ; Wed, 21 Mar 2001 00:28:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (itlm019@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by runner.ucdavis.edu (8.11.1/8.11.0/IT4.4.8) with ESMTP id f2L5SPx20083; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 21:28:26 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 21:28:25 -0800 (PST) From: Marc Miller X-Sender: itlm019@runner.ucdavis.edu To: "Eng. Fernando Meirelles Vieira" cc: netatalk-admins@umich.edu Subject: Re: RES: station locks In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Take out the ~ line from AppleVolumes.default and that error should go away. However, please note that users who have home directories on your system will lose Appletalk access to them when that line is removed. I'm not sure how to make that "if the user has a home directory, make it available, else ignore it." Does anyone know how? Even if Fernando doesn't need that info, I'd like to know. On Tue, 20 Mar 2001, Eng. Fernando Meirelles Vieira wrote: > Thank you for the clue, more I will > admit that I don't know how to configure > AppleVolumes.default correctly. > > My parameters are: > > papd.conf <--- Pattern of the installation > afpd.conf <--- Pattern of the installation > config <--- Pattern of the installation > AppleVolumes.system <--- Pattern of the installation > > > AppleVolumes.default > ======================================= > /home/fernando > /home/dir-pc > /home/hdrede hdrede access=fernando,henrique,marcelo,@adm,@trabalho > /home/hd30 hd30 access=fernando,henrique,marcelo,@adm,@trabalho > /mnt/cdrom > ~ > ======================================= > > atalk.conf > ======================================= > eth1 -phase 2 -net 0-65534 -addr 65280.162 > ======================================= > > > > -----Mensagem original----- > De: Marc Miller [mailto:itlm019@mailbox.ucdavis.edu] > Enviada em: terca-feira, 20 de marco de 2001 23:16 > Para: Eng. Fernando Meirelles Vieira > Cc: netatalk-admins@umich.edu > Assunto: Re: station locks > > > Looks like your AppleVolumes.default is still at its default of ~ (make > home directories mountable). If that's not your intention, you need to > either modify AppleVolumes.default or create a home directory for this > user. > > As for size, I'm pretty sure I read that 20G is pretty much the maximum > netatalk 1.4b2 or MacOS (or both?) can understand. Some changes have been > made in the 1.5 prereleases to break the 20G barrier, but I'm not quite > sure how it's handled. If it was a MacOS problem, I'd write the code to > always return 20G free if the free space is >= 20G. But I'm not sure how > that patch was written. I work with a 2G hard drive, so it's not > something I've had the opportunity to play around with. :) > > On Tue, 20 Mar 2001, Eng. Fernando Meirelles Vieira wrote: > > > I have a net Linux RedHat 6.2 with 4 mac and 4 pc, > > with samba and AppleTalk: netatalk-1.4b2+asun2.1.3, > > has 3 HD - 1 SCSI 4,5 - 1 IDE 20G - 1 IDE 30G, > > when 1 or more workstation records in HD 30G the station MAC locks > > > > "Samba" not erro > > > > It follows log in the moment of the mistake + / - 10:16: > > > > /var/log/messages > > > > Mar 21 10:11:33 linux last message repeated 2 times > > Mar 21 10:12:37 linux last message repeated 2 times > > ====================== > > Mar 21 10:13:09 linux modprobe: modprobe: Can't locate module char-major-6 > > Mar 21 10:13:39 linux afpd[1469]: afp_alarm: child timed out > > Mar 21 10:13:39 linux afpd[1469]: 30048.99KB read, 1122.12KB written > > Mar 21 10:13:39 linux PAM_pwdb[1469]: (netatalk) session closed for user > > fernando > > Mar 21 10:13:39 linux afpd[1276]: server_child[1] 1469 exited 1 > > ====================== > > Mar 21 10:13:41 linux modprobe: modprobe: Can't locate module char-major-6 > > Mar 21 10:14:13 linux modprobe: modprobe: Can't locate module char-major-6 > > ====================== > > Mar 21 10:15:17 linux last message repeated 2 times > > Mar 21 10:16:21 linux last message repeated 2 times > > Mar 21 10:16:24 linux afpd[1649]: ASIP session:548(1) from > > 10.10.10.169:49152(2) > > Mar 21 10:16:24 linux afpd[1276]: server_child[1] 1649 done > > Mar 21 10:16:35 linux afpd[1652]: ASIP session:548(1) from > > 10.10.10.169:49153(2) > > Mar 21 10:16:35 linux PAM_pwdb[1652]: (netatalk) session opened for user > > fernando by (uid=0) > > Mar 21 10:16:35 linux afpd[1652]: login fernando (uid 500, gid 4) > > Mar 21 10:16:35 linux afpd[1652]: afp_getsrvrparms: stat /home/fernando: > No > > such file or directory > > Mar 21 10:16:53 linux modprobe: modprobe: Can't locate module char-major-6 > > Mar 21 10:17:25 linux modprobe: modprobe: Can't locate module char-major-6 > > Mar 21 10:18:29 linux last message repeated 2 times > > > > []s > > Fernando > > engfmv@terra.com.br > > Brazil > > > > ============================================================ > /\/\arc ._|. /\/\iller (itlm019@mailbox.ucdavis.edu) > Computer Room Consultant > Information Technology/Lab Management > ============================================================ > I can be contacted through the Communication Center link from > http://www.mother.com/~mjmiller/ > > ============================================================ /\/\arc ._|. /\/\iller (itlm019@mailbox.ucdavis.edu) Computer Room Consultant Information Technology/Lab Management ============================================================ I can be contacted through the Communication Center link from http://www.mother.com/~mjmiller/ From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Wed Mar 21 05:51:38 2001 Return-Path: Received: from kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.25]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id FAA29445 for ; Wed, 21 Mar 2001 05:51:38 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id FAA28532 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Wed, 21 Mar 2001 05:51:38 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id FAA28516 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Wed, 21 Mar 2001 05:51:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from rogue.shadow.org (dsl-209-162-215-114.easystreet.com [209.162.215.114]) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id FAA28428 for ; Wed, 21 Mar 2001 05:51:33 -0500 (EST) Received: (from ns@localhost) by rogue.shadow.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA26129 for netatalk-admins@umich.edu; Wed, 21 Mar 2001 02:51:32 -0800 Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 02:51:32 -0800 From: Sam Noble To: netatalk-admins@umich.edu Subject: Re: netatalk with AuthMan UAM Message-ID: <20010321025132.A26118@shadow.org> References: <20010319144423.A24082@shadow.org> <200103201405.JAA28195@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i In-Reply-To: <200103201405.JAA28195@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu>; from wesley.craig@umich.edu on Tue, Mar 20, 2001 at 09:05:47AM -0500 I've spent the last few hours integrating the kerberos code from um0 into the sourceforge-distributed stuff. I've managed to get a litle bit further with the AuthMan UAM but now I'm having more general Kerberos problems. We're running a recent Kerberos 5 release from MIT. Hopefully there's somebody here who can say "oh, you're stupid, you need to do X" or at least a "you might want to look at Y to track down the problem". I realize that there might be a better forum for this problem, but since I've not *ruled out* netatalk as the troublemaker, I'm going to hope that there are some kerberos savy people reading this message. The most obvious cause of the problem is that the right stuff isn't in /etc/srvtab (with the krb4 libraries included in the krb5 distribution, can krb4 applications read from krb5 keytab files?) but when I use ktutil to create a srvtab file from the keytab file on the machine, I get the following error: ktutil: wst /etc/srvtab wst: Improper format of translation database entry while writing srvtab "/etc/srvtab" I'm satisfied that this might be the cause of all my troubles -- but at this point I have no idea how to deal with it. By the way the name of the afp server is "phebe" from syslog: Mar 21 02:09:12 phebe afpd[24445]: krb4_login: KRB4CMD_SESS Mar 21 02:09:12 phebe afpd[24445]: krb4_login: krb_rd_req( &tkt, rcmd, *, ... ): Can't decode authenticator (krb_rd_req) (I added &tkt, princ[], inst[], ... to hopefully provide a little more insight -- it didn't really help) relavant principles from the KDC: afpserver/phebe@OURREALM afpserver@OURREALM (just in case) rcmd/phebe@OURREALM rcmd@OURREALM (also just in case) On Tue, Mar 20, 2001 at 09:05:47AM -0500, wesley.craig@umich.edu wrote: > The Kerberos IV server UAM that you found at sourceforge probably > doesn't match the protocol used in the most recent client UAM code. We > made changes to both to support AFP over TCP -- Apple changed the API > to support DSI. You can find server code that matches the most recent > client code at > > ftp://rsug.itd.umich.edu/pub/users/wes/netatalk-1.4b2+asun2.1.3um0.tar.gz From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Wed Mar 21 06:07:46 2001 Return-Path: Received: from kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.25]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id GAA29616 for ; Wed, 21 Mar 2001 06:07:46 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id GAA18795 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Wed, 21 Mar 2001 06:07:46 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id GAA18770 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Wed, 21 Mar 2001 06:07:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from nernst.chem.gla.ac.uk (nernst.chem.gla.ac.uk [130.209.221.174]) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id GAA18735 for ; Wed, 21 Mar 2001 06:07:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from london.chem.gla.ac.uk ([130.209.221.37] ident=jonp) by nernst.chem.gla.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.02 #2) id 14fgSs-0006nB-00; Wed, 21 Mar 2001 11:07:42 +0000 Received: from localhost (jonp@localhost) by london.chem.gla.ac.uk (8.8.7/feedernode) with ESMTP id LAA23814; Wed, 21 Mar 2001 11:07:14 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: london.chem.gla.ac.uk: jonp owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 11:07:14 +0000 (GMT) From: Jonathan Paisley To: , Subject: [PATCH] Problem with afpd unexpectedly dying (still) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hi, I sent this message to the netatalk-devel mailing list last week, but nobody seems to have commented on it. I also tried to post the patch on the sourceforge project page but the file attach didn't seem to be working and (I think) line wrapping would have destroyed the patch. Having read some recent messages on netatalk-admins, I thought I would re-post. Apologies for cross-posting and re-posting. Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 22:47:08 +0000 (GMT) From: Jonathan Paisley To: netatalk-devel@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: [PATCH] Problem with afpd unexpectedly dying Hi, I think I've found an possible issue with netatalk1.5pre5. When copying some files from a netatalk share in the Finder to the local disk, the server unexpectedly disconnects (the afpd segfaults). I managed to track this down to the following sequence of events. This depends on the file in question having no .AppleDouble entry. Try copying the same file twice, without doing anything in between. afp_openfork() is called on the data fork afp_openfork() is called on the resource fork -- the actual .AppleDouble file couldn't be opened, but -- the call succeeds anyway to imitate an empty resource fork afp_closefork() is called on the data fork returned above ** this call frees the struct adouble that's shared by the ** ofork entry. This happens because the file descriptor for the ** data and resource forks are both now set to -1. a subsequent call to getforkparams() (e.g.) on the still open resource fork is now referencing an invalid memory location in the stale struct adouble. I'm not sure what the best fix for this situation is, but I made a temporary fix by adding a simple reference count to struct adouble which is maintained by the code in afpd/ofork.c. I also ensure that the memory allocated for the struct adouble in of_alloc is memset() to 0 to ensure absolutely that ad_open initialises the structure (and the refcount) correctly. Is anyone else a little bit worried about relying on magic numbers for initialisation of those struct adoubles? Here follows the patch (I hope it hasn't got mangled!): diff -ur netatalk-1.5pre5/etc/afpd/ofork.c netatalk-1.5pre5.new/etc/afpd/ofork.c --- netatalk-1.5pre5/etc/afpd/ofork.c Wed Aug 2 20:28:05 2000 +++ netatalk-1.5pre5.new/etc/afpd/ofork.c Mon Mar 12 22:16:54 2001 @@ -168,12 +168,27 @@ of = oforks[of_refnum]; /* see if we need to allocate space for the adouble struct */ - if ((of->of_ad = ad ? ad : - calloc(1, sizeof(struct adouble))) == NULL) { - syslog( LOG_ERR, "of_alloc: malloc: %m" ); - return NULL; + if (!ad) { + + ad = malloc(sizeof(struct adouble)); + if (!ad) { + syslog( LOG_ERR, "of_alloc: malloc: %m" ); + return NULL; + } + + /* initialise to zero. This is important to ensure that + ad_open really does reinitialise the structure. */ + memset(ad,0,sizeof(struct adouble)); + + } else { + /* Increase the refcount on this struct adouble. This is + decremented again in ofork_dealloc + */ + ad->ad_refcount++; } + of->of_ad = ad; + of->of_vol = vol; of->of_dir = dir; @@ -252,9 +267,11 @@ oforks[ of->of_refnum ] = NULL; free( of->of_name ); - /* free of_ad */ - if ((of->of_ad->ad_hf.adf_fd == -1) && - (of->of_ad->ad_df.adf_fd == -1)) { + + /* decrease refcount */ + of->of_ad->ad_refcount--; + + if (of->of_ad->ad_refcount<=0) { free( of->of_ad); } else {/* someone's still using it. just free this user's locks */ ad_unlock(of->of_ad, of->of_refnum); diff -ur netatalk-1.5pre5/include/atalk/adouble.h netatalk-1.5pre5.new/include/atalk/adouble.h --- netatalk-1.5pre5/include/atalk/adouble.h Wed Oct 4 16:21:41 2000 +++ netatalk-1.5pre5.new/include/atalk/adouble.h Mon Mar 12 22:17:55 2001 @@ -181,6 +181,7 @@ struct ad_entry ad_eid[ ADEID_MAX ]; struct ad_fd ad_df, ad_hf; int ad_flags, ad_inited; + int ad_refcount; /* used in afpd/ofork.c */ #ifdef USE_MMAPPED_HEADERS char *ad_data; #else diff -ur netatalk-1.5pre5/libatalk/adouble/ad_open.c netatalk-1.5pre5.new/libatalk/adouble/ad_open.c --- netatalk-1.5pre5/libatalk/adouble/ad_open.c Thu Mar 1 18:11:33 2001 +++ netatalk-1.5pre5.new/libatalk/adouble/ad_open.c Mon Mar 12 20:44:30 2001 @@ -600,6 +600,8 @@ ad->ad_data = MAP_FAILED; #endif ad->ad_inited = AD_INITED; + + ad->ad_refcount = 1; } if (adflags & ADFLAGS_DF) { -- Jonathan Paisley jonp@chem.gla.ac.uk From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Wed Mar 21 11:00:11 2001 Return-Path: Received: from easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.26]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id LAA06900 for ; Wed, 21 Mar 2001 11:00:11 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id LAA21925 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Wed, 21 Mar 2001 11:00:11 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id LAA21896 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Wed, 21 Mar 2001 11:00:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from garnet.tc.umn.edu (garnet.tc.umn.edu [160.94.218.249]) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id LAA21843 for ; Wed, 21 Mar 2001 11:00:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by garnet.tc.umn.edu with ESMTP for netatalk-admins@umich.edu; Wed, 21 Mar 2001 10:00:07 -0600 Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 10:00:07 -0600 (CST) From: Karen A Swanberg To: netatalk-admins@umich.edu Subject: Re: rand2num passwords OpenBSD 2.8 In-Reply-To: <3AB7826A.5E757F84@gac.edu> Message-Id: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII It is appropriate to this list to post compilation problems, or should those just be sent to the netatalk@umich.edu address? on 03.20.01, Curtis Hulett wisely declared: > Have you created the afppasswd file? I was having the same problem as > you untill yesterday when I realized I might not have the correct > passwcd file. I just used > > afppasswd -c I was under the impression that this is only new to the 1.499 and 1.5pre trees? I have been unable to compile anything above 1.4b2+asun2.1.3 on my system. I dropped the umich folks a note about it. I'm on 1.4b2+asun2.1.3/OpenBSD 2.8. > to create it and then changed the passwords for my test accounts. I then > had to add > > -uamlist uams_randnum.so I have't yet figured out how to "activate" the UAM's on my system on 1.4b2..., everything that is needed is on the system, but the make isn't adding them in, and I haven't seen how to do it in any of the documentation for that release (I have been very impressed with the documentation for 1.5pre5, though, great job!) > My question is: is there another way to get encryption to work? It would > be nice to have encrypted passwords, but still be able to use > /etc/shadow as the passwd file. I second this question. I haven't figured out any way to get encryption to work on 1.4b2 on my system, regardless of Mac OS. As far as I know, OpenBSD doesn't support shadow passwords, there is a master.passwd file instead, so I haven't dared try to add in --dshadow in my makefile. I'm willing to use any encryption method (except kerberos, I'm not up for that quite yet!) at this point, until the 1.5 or 1.6 tree compiles on my system and I can do it "correctly." -Karen > Karen A Swanberg wrote: > > > > I've scoured the mail archives and the docs for the answer to this one, it > > should be working... > > > > I've installed netatalk 1.4b2+asun2.1.3 on an OpenBSD 2.8 > > server. Everything works except getting encrypted passwords. I've tried a > > number of things. First, my makefile did have the directory to find des.a > > and libdes.a, and compiled without errors. Is there something I need to do > > to activate DES in the OpenBSD kernel? I can't imagine the default GENERIC > > kernel doesn't have it turned on. > > > > I had my rc.local file disabling guest as it launched afpd for awhile, > > with the -G option, but turned it off while working on this problem. > > > > Right now my afpd.conf files says: > > > > "server" -noguest -nocleartext -savepassword -setpassword -rand2num > > > > AppleVolumes.default has: > > > > ~ > > /home/public "PublicFileShare" > > > > The macs will still let me on, but the login screen says "cleartext" and > > won't let me change or set passwords. This is true on OS 8.1, 8.6 and > > 9.0.4. > > > > .passwd exists in my home directory, and in /home/public, and has > > the correct permissions etc. > > > > When I make those changes to afpd.conf, and SIGHUP afpd and atalkd, this > > turns up in /var/log/daemon: > > > > afpd[24529] disallowing logins > > > > But I can still log in from the macs as myself and the test account. > > > > I just started working with Netatalk a week or so ago, so I'm still fairly > > new to it's workings. > > > > I see references to afppasswd in the mail archives, but no such thing > > exists on my system. Is that linux only? > > > > I think I'm missing something really simple. Anyone see it? > > > > And, another really stupid question. I was using the precompiled > > port/package of netatalk for OpenBSD first, and had problems. So I > > compiled the one I'm using now and it works much better. But the port had > > the BSD devil icon on the share tray instead of the world, which the > > compiled version has. I'd like the BSD icon back, but when I get the copy > > on the BSD webpage, it's not transparent, and I can't get it to be > > transparent. I've tried a number of methods to make it transparent, but > > apparently I'm much more graphically challenged than I thought. I don't > > suppose someone would be willing to send me a copy of the transparent BSD > > appleshare icon? > > > > Thanks and sincerely, > > > > * * > > Karen Swanberg | > > Network Admin. | Error: Sector not found-- > > Dept. of Geology/Geophysics |search behind couch? (Y/N) > > 206 Pillsbury Hall | > > 310 Pillsbury Ave. SE | > > University of Mn | Enter any 11-digit prime > > Minneapolis, MN 55455 | number to continue... > > (612) 624-6541 | > > * * > * * Karen Swanberg | Network Admin. | Error: Sector not found-- Dept. of Geology/Geophysics |search behind couch? (Y/N) 206 Pillsbury Hall | 310 Pillsbury Ave. SE | University of Mn | Enter any 11-digit prime Minneapolis, MN 55455 | number to continue... (612) 624-6541 | * * From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Wed Mar 21 11:09:52 2001 Return-Path: Received: from funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.27]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id LAA07086 for ; Wed, 21 Mar 2001 11:09:52 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id LAA16127 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Wed, 21 Mar 2001 11:09:44 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id LAA16102 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Wed, 21 Mar 2001 11:09:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.euc.de (mail.euc.de [195.63.193.18]) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id LAA16045 for ; Wed, 21 Mar 2001 11:09:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from euc.de (euc-punktum.euc.de [195.63.193.116]) by mail.euc.de (8.9.3/8.9.3/SuSE Linux 8.9.3-0.1) with ESMTP id RAA02901 for ; Wed, 21 Mar 2001 17:05:58 +0100 Message-ID: <3AB8D168.76F38568@euc.de> Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 17:06:00 +0100 From: Mac Conin Organization: EUC Online Service GmbH X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: netatalk-admins@umich.edu Subject: a newbie question Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi , where can I find an archive of these emails? (I know - it's not a tricky question, but...) -- --schnipp-- best regards ----------------------------------------------------------- Mac Conin EUC Online Service GmbH mconin@euc.de http://www.euc.de From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Wed Mar 21 11:22:04 2001 Return-Path: Received: from kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.25]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id LAA07624 for ; Wed, 21 Mar 2001 11:22:04 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id LAA14748 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Wed, 21 Mar 2001 11:22:03 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id LAA14735 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Wed, 21 Mar 2001 11:22:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from cerberus.picdar.co.uk ([193.115.138.155]) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id LAA14652 for ; Wed, 21 Mar 2001 11:21:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from [141.89.179.49] (InternalAcc [193.115.138.137]) by cerberus.picdar.co.uk (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA12447; Wed, 21 Mar 2001 16:21:15 GMT Message-Id: <200103211621.QAA12447@cerberus.picdar.co.uk> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 4.5 (0410) Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 16:21:09 +0000 Subject: Re: a newbie question From: "Philip J Spence" To: Mac Conin , netatalk-admins@umich.edu Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit > Hi , > > where can I find an archive of these emails? > > > (I know - it's not a tricky question, but...) > http://www.umich.edu/~rsug/netatalk/archive/ From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Wed Mar 21 11:29:01 2001 Return-Path: Received: from easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.26]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id LAA07818 for ; Wed, 21 Mar 2001 11:29:01 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id LAA03413 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Wed, 21 Mar 2001 11:29:01 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id LAA03380 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Wed, 21 Mar 2001 11:29:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from garnet.tc.umn.edu (garnet.tc.umn.edu [160.94.218.249]) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id LAA03337 for ; Wed, 21 Mar 2001 11:28:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by garnet.tc.umn.edu with ESMTP for netatalk-admins@umich.edu; Wed, 21 Mar 2001 10:28:57 -0600 Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 10:28:57 -0600 (CST) From: Karen A Swanberg To: netatalk-admins@umich.edu Subject: Re: a newbie question In-Reply-To: <3AB8D168.76F38568@euc.de> Message-Id: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII http://endofdays.rs.itd.umich.edu/~tombeau/netatalk/mail.html ftp://terminator.rs.itd.umich.edy/unix/netatalk and for threaded: http://www.umich.edu/~rsug/netatalk/archive/admin/ -Karen on 03/21/01, Mac Conin wisely declared: > Hi , > > where can I find an archive of these emails? > > > (I know - it's not a tricky question, but...) > > > -- > --schnipp-- > > best regards > ----------------------------------------------------------- > Mac Conin EUC Online Service GmbH > mconin@euc.de > http://www.euc.de > > * * Karen Swanberg | Network Admin. | Error: Sector not found-- Dept. of Geology/Geophysics |search behind couch? (Y/N) 206 Pillsbury Hall | 310 Pillsbury Ave. SE | University of Mn | Enter any 11-digit prime Minneapolis, MN 55455 | number to continue... (612) 624-6541 | * * From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Wed Mar 21 11:43:37 2001 Return-Path: Received: from funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.27]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id LAA08235 for ; Wed, 21 Mar 2001 11:43:36 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id LAA09559 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Wed, 21 Mar 2001 11:43:29 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id LAA09529 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Wed, 21 Mar 2001 11:43:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from artemis.le.ac.uk (artemis.le.ac.uk [143.210.16.126]) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id LAA09487 for ; Wed, 21 Mar 2001 11:43:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from ithaca.mcs.le.ac.uk ([143.210.72.11]) by artemis.le.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.16 #1) id 14flht-0003XP-00 for netatalk-admins@umich.edu; Wed, 21 Mar 2001 16:43:33 +0000 Received: from pc54 (pc54 [143.210.72.46]) by ithaca.mcs.le.ac.uk (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) with SMTP id QAA17357 for ; Wed, 21 Mar 2001 16:43:32 GMT Message-Id: <200103211643.QAA17357@ithaca.mcs.le.ac.uk> Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 16:43:32 +0000 (GMT) From: "J. A. Landamore" Reply-To: "J. A. Landamore" Subject: File exists error when starting atalkd To: netatalk-admins@umich.edu X-Mailer: dtmail 1.3.0 @(#)CDE Version 1.4 SunOS 5.8 i86pc i386 Content-Type: text X-Sun-Text-Type: ascii I have managed to get netatalk 1.5pre5 built under 64bit SPARC Solaris 7. However when I try to start atalkd I get atalkd[16656]: zip_packet: can't route 7200.152 to loopback: File exists atalkd[16656]: ap->ap_packet: File exists My atalkd.conf file is one line long hme1 -phase 2 -net 7200-7209 -addr 7200.152 -zone "Computer Centre" -zone "Charles Wilson 3rd Floor" -zone "Mathematics & Computer Science" Any one got any clues? Thanks John Landamore From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Wed Mar 21 12:15:55 2001 Return-Path: Received: from funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.27]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id MAA09307 for ; Wed, 21 Mar 2001 12:15:55 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id MAA29748 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Wed, 21 Mar 2001 12:15:47 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id MAA29673 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Wed, 21 Mar 2001 12:15:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from jump.tangro.de (cray-ymp.tangro.de [193.155.17.164]) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id MAA29617 for ; Wed, 21 Mar 2001 12:15:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from [193.155.17.160] (whizz.tangro.de [193.155.17.160]) by jump.tangro.de (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id f2LHFiH16421; Wed, 21 Mar 2001 18:15:44 +0100 (CET) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: hf@mail.tangro.de (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 18:15:24 +0100 To: Karen A Swanberg From: Hauke Fath Subject: Re: rand2num passwords OpenBSD 2.8 Cc: netatalk-admins@umich.edu Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" At 10:00 Uhr -0600 21.03.2001, Karen A Swanberg wrote: >It is appropriate to this list to post compilation problems, or should >those just be sent to the netatalk@umich.edu address? Depending on the sources version, either here (for pre-Sourceforge), or on the Sourceforge netatalk-devel list. AFAIK, the last Netatalk version that umich.edu released was 1.4b2. > > afppasswd -c > >I was under the impression that this is only new to the 1.499 and 1.5pre >trees? I have been unable to compile anything above 1.4b2+asun2.1.3 on my >system. I dropped the umich folks a note about it. I'm on >1.4b2+asun2.1.3/OpenBSD 2.8. Strange... I have built asun-2.1.4pre3[5789] on NetBSD 1.4.x without problems. What compile errors do you see? hauke -- Hauke Fath tangro software components GmbH D-69115 Heidelberg hf@tangro.de Ruf +49-6221-13336-0, Fax -21 From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Wed Mar 21 13:23:51 2001 Return-Path: Received: from kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.25]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id NAA10551 for ; Wed, 21 Mar 2001 13:23:50 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id NAA11165 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Wed, 21 Mar 2001 13:23:50 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id NAA11151 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Wed, 21 Mar 2001 13:23:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.arcor-ip.de (mail-ffm-p.arcor-ip.de [145.253.2.10]) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id NAA10974 for ; Wed, 21 Mar 2001 13:23:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from [192.168.1.20] (213.23.36.48) by mail.arcor-ip.de; 21 Mar 2001 19:23:38 +0100 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: jgrantha@mail.hannover.sgh-net.de Message-Id: Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 19:21:38 +0100 To: netatalk-admins@umich.edu From: John L Grantham Subject: Help: Still probs with netatalk-1.4b2+asun2.1.3-7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Hi all, OK, I still have problems with netatalk-1.4b2+asun2.1.3-7 on a LinuxPPC box. When I try to copy files to the server from a Mac running OS 9.1 via the Finder, the copy works fine; but if I try to save a file from most any program (Photoshop, Freehand, etc.), the connection freezes and the Mac locks up for about 30 seconds or so, with the server eventually closing the connection (thus freeing the Mac up again). If I try copying from the server, it randomly closes the connection as well -- usually after about five minutes or so, sometimes more, sometimes less. It doesn't make any difference where I copy from or to. I checked older messages, and this seems to be a permissions problem with .Parent and .AppleDouble, so I tried this: find /mount/point -type d -exec chmod g+s {} \; find /mount/point -name ".Parent" -exec chmod 770 {} \; find /mount/point -name ".Apple*" -exec chmod 770 {} \; find /mount/point -name ".Apple*" -exec chmod g+s {} \; It still doesn't work. When I try saving to the server, this happens in /var/log/messages: Mar 21 19:11:02 localhost afpd[28251]: dsi_stream_read(0): Connection reset by peer Mar 21 19:11:02 localhost last message repeated 8 times Mar 21 19:11:02 localhost afpd[1763]: server_child[1] 28255 done Mar 21 19:11:02 localhost afpd[28251]: dsi_stream_read(0): Connection reset by peer Mar 21 19:11:19 localhost last message repeated 31164 times Mar 21 19:11:19 localhost afpd[1763]: shutting down on signal 15 Mar 21 19:11:19 localhost afpd[28251]: dsi_stream_read(0): Connection reset by peer Mar 21 19:11:20 localhost last message repeated 151 times Mar 21 19:11:20 localhost atalkd[1751]: done Mar 21 19:11:20 localhost afpd[28251]: dsi_stream_read(0): Connection reset by peer Then afpd starts eating up CPU cycles like crazy, and I'm forced to stop atalkd and kill afpd, then restart atalkd. This is my setup in afpd.conf: "Hobbit-Hole" -noguest -address 192.168.1.10 Can someone tell me what the correct permissions are? I don't seem to find any info on the Web about this. Any other hints? Thanks, John -- John Grantham | Dipl.-Designer (FH) | Homepage http://design.macnews.de/ | Linux for PPC http://www.linuxppc.org/ Web Designer | AGD Member http://www.agd.de/ From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Wed Mar 21 14:31:10 2001 Return-Path: Received: from funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.27]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id OAA12666 for ; Wed, 21 Mar 2001 14:31:09 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id OAA27649 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Wed, 21 Mar 2001 14:31:01 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id OAA27610 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Wed, 21 Mar 2001 14:31:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from garnet.tc.umn.edu (garnet.tc.umn.edu [160.94.218.249]) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id OAA27530 for ; Wed, 21 Mar 2001 14:30:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by garnet.tc.umn.edu with ESMTP; Wed, 21 Mar 2001 13:31:04 -0600 Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 13:31:04 -0600 (CST) From: Karen A Swanberg To: netatalk-admins@umich.edu cc: netatalk-devel@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: O-BSD 2.8 1.5pre5 compile errors (was rand2num) Message-Id: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII This contains the message I mistakenly sent to umich, which should have gone to sourceforge. It's quite long, as it contains the output of my compile, my compile.log and compile.status, as well as the errors encountered during the make. Basically, the ./configure --with-tcp-wrappers --with-ssl-dirs=/usr command works great, but when I make, I get errors I can't track down. The makefiles it references don't seem to have useful information on the lines the errors list. It's all below. on 03/21/01, Hauke Fath wisely declared: > >It is appropriate to this list to post compilation problems, or should > >those just be sent to the netatalk@umich.edu address? > Depending on the sources version, either here (for pre-Sourceforge), > or on the Sourceforge netatalk-devel list. AFAIK, the last Netatalk > version that umich.edu released was 1.4b2. ... > >I have been unable to compile anything above 1.4b2+asun2.1.3 on my > >system. I dropped the umich folks a note about it. I'm on > >1.4b2+asun2.1.3/OpenBSD 2.8. > Strange... I have built asun-2.1.4pre3[5789] on NetBSD 1.4.x without > problems. What compile errors do you see? > hauke ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 17:00:15 -0600 (CST) From: Karen A Swanberg To: netatalk@umich.edu Subject: OpenBSD 2.8 1.5pre5 i386 compile errors Greetings, I think this is a bug. I've included everything I think should be useful, but I'd be happy to provide more. If this is hopelessly basic, I apologize. SUBJECT: compile errors on 1.5pre5 on OpenBSD 2.8 during make install. Using 1.5pre5 in order to utilize DHX, my ./configure was: ./configure --with-tcp-wrappers --with-ssl-dirs=/usr The compile ran fine, but the 'make' then died with the error: #make make all-recursive Making all in libatalk Making install in libatalk "Makefile", line 317: Need an operator Fatal errors encountered -- cannot continue *** Error code 1 Stop in /home/swanberg/netatalk/netatalk-1.5pre5 (line 178 of Makefile). *** Error code 1 Stop in /home/swanberg/netatalk/netatalk-1.5pre5 (line 311 of Makefile). Line 178 of libatalk/Makefile is: .s.lo: $(LIBTOOL) --mode=compile $(COMPILE) -c $< #178 is this blank line# .S.lo: $(LIBTOOL) --mode=compile $(COMPILE) -c $< Line 311 of the libatalk/Makefile is: (cd $$subdir && $(MAKE) $(AM_MAKEFLAGS) top_distdir=../$(top_distdir) distdir=../$(distdir)/$$subdir distdir) \ || exit 1; \ #this is line 311# fi; \ done DEPS_MAGIC := $(shell mkdir .deps > /dev/null 2>&1 || :) ENVIRONMENT: I have these packages: ssl-2.7-USA libtool-1.3.5 automake-1.4 autoconf-2.13 Running OpenBSD 2.8 on a Dell PowerEdge 1400, pretty basic i386 install. Samba is also running, along with Amanda. Nothing else. What other info do you need here? Hardware info? DESCRIPTION: The configure runs fine, the 'make' dies, as does 'make check' with the error mentioned above. I can't get beyond it. Here are my logs: output for ./configure --with-tcp-wrappers --with-ssl-dirs=/usr loading cache ./config.cache checking host system type... i386-unknown-openbsd2.8 checking target system type... i386-unknown-openbsd2.8 checking build system type... i386-unknown-openbsd2.8 checking for a BSD compatible install... (cached) /usr/bin/install -c checking whether build environment is sane... yes checking whether make sets ${MAKE}... (cached) yes checking for working aclocal... found checking for working autoconf... found checking for working automake... found checking for working autoheader... found checking for working makeinfo... found checking for ranlib... (cached) ranlib checking for gcc... (cached) gcc checking whether the C compiler (gcc ) works... yes checking whether the C compiler (gcc ) is a cross-compiler... no checking whether we are using GNU C... (cached) yes checking whether gcc accepts -g... (cached) yes checking for ld used by GCC... (cached) /usr/bin/ld checking if the linker (/usr/bin/ld) is GNU ld... (cached) no checking for BSD-compatible nm... (cached) /usr/bin/nm -p checking whether ln -s works... (cached) yes checking for object suffix... o checking for executable suffix... no checking for gcc option to produce PIC... -fPIC checking if gcc PIC flag -fPIC works... yes checking if gcc supports -c -o file.o... yes checking if gcc supports -c -o file.lo... yes checking if gcc supports -fno-rtti -fno-exceptions ... yes checking if gcc static flag -static works... -static checking if the linker (/usr/bin/ld) is GNU ld... no checking whether the linker (/usr/bin/ld) supports shared libraries... yes checking command to parse /usr/bin/nm -p output... ok checking how to hardcode library paths into programs... immediate checking for /usr/bin/ld option to reload object files... -r checking dynamic linker characteristics... openbsd2.8 ld.so checking if libtool supports shared libraries... yes checking whether to build shared libraries... yes checking whether to build static libraries... yes checking for objdir... .libs creating libtool loading cache ./config.cache checking for gawk... (cached) nawk checking for gcc... (cached) gcc checking whether the C compiler (gcc -g -O2 ) works... yes checking whether the C compiler (gcc -g -O2 ) is a cross-compiler... no checking whether we are using GNU C... (cached) yes checking whether gcc accepts -g... (cached) yes checking for a BSD compatible install... /usr/bin/install -c checking whether ln -s works... (cached) yes checking whether make sets ${MAKE}... (cached) yes checking for object suffix... o checking for executable suffix... no checking for gcc option to produce PIC... -fPIC checking if gcc PIC flag -fPIC works... yes checking if gcc supports -c -o file.o... yes checking if gcc supports -c -o file.lo... yes checking if gcc supports -fno-rtti -fno-exceptions ... yes checking if gcc static flag -static works... -static checking if the linker (/usr/bin/ld) is GNU ld... no checking whether the linker (/usr/bin/ld) supports shared libraries... yes checking command to parse /usr/bin/nm -p output... ok checking how to hardcode library paths into programs... immediate checking for /usr/bin/ld option to reload object files... -r checking dynamic linker characteristics... openbsd2.8 ld.so checking if libtool supports shared libraries... yes checking whether to build shared libraries... yes checking whether to build static libraries... yes checking for objdir... .libs creating libtool loading cache ./config.cache checking for main in -labs... (cached) no checking for main in -laudit... (cached) no checking for main in -lauth... (cached) no checking for main in -lcmd... (cached) no checking for main in -lcom_err... (cached) yes checking for main in -lcrypt... (cached) no checking for main in -ld... (cached) no checking for main in -ldb... (cached) no checking for main in -ldl... (cached) no checking for main in -lkauth... (cached) no checking for main in -lkrb... (cached) yes checking for main in -llwp... (cached) no checking for main in -ln... (cached) no checking for main in -lnsl... (cached) no checking for main in -lprot... (cached) no checking for main in -lresolv... (cached) yes checking for main in -lrpcsvc... (cached) yes checking for main in -lrx... (cached) no checking for main in -lrxkad... (cached) no checking for main in -lsocket... (cached) no checking for main in -lsys... (cached) no checking for main in -lubik... (cached) no checking for access... (cached) yes checking for dirent.h that defines DIR... (cached) yes checking for opendir in -ldir... (cached) no checking how to run the C preprocessor... (cached) gcc -E checking for ANSI C header files... (cached) yes checking for sys/wait.h that is POSIX.1 compatible... (cached) yes checking for fcntl.h... (cached) yes checking for limits.h... (cached) yes checking for stdint.h... (cached) no checking for strings.h... (cached) yes checking for sys/fcntl.h... (cached) yes checking for sys/file.h... (cached) yes checking for sys/ioctl.h... (cached) yes checking for sys/time.h... (cached) yes checking for syslog.h... (cached) yes checking for unistd.h... (cached) yes checking for termios.h... (cached) yes checking for sys/termios.h... (cached) yes checking for netdb.h... (cached) yes checking for sgtty.h... (cached) yes checking for sys/cdefs.h... (cached) yes checking for working const... (cached) yes checking for uid_t in sys/types.h... (cached) yes checking for inline... (cached) inline checking for mode_t... (cached) yes checking for off_t... (cached) yes checking for pid_t... (cached) yes checking for size_t... (cached) yes checking for st_rdev in struct stat... (cached) yes checking whether time.h and sys/time.h may both be included... (cached) yes checking whether struct tm is in sys/time.h or time.h... (cached) time.h checking type of array argument to getgroups... (cached) gid_t checking whether gcc needs -traditional... (cached) no checking for 8-bit clean memcmp... (cached) yes checking whether sys/types.h defines makedev... (cached) yes checking for unistd.h... (cached) yes checking for getpagesize... (cached) yes checking for working mmap... (cached) yes checking return type of signal handlers... (cached) void checking whether utime accepts a null argument... (cached) yes checking for wait3 that fills in rusage... (cached) yes checking for getcwd... (cached) yes checking for gethostname... (cached) yes checking for gettimeofday... (cached) yes checking for getusershell... (cached) yes checking for mkdir... (cached) yes checking for rmdir... (cached) yes checking for select... (cached) yes checking for socket... (cached) yes checking for strdup... (cached) yes checking for strstr... (cached) yes checking for strtoul... (cached) yes checking for setpgrp... (cached) yes checking whether setpgrp takes no argument... (cached) no checking for pam_start in -lpam... (cached) no checking for hosts_access in -lwrap... (cached) yes enabling TCP wrappers support setting configuration files location to /etc/atalk * OpenBSD specific configuration checking for main in -lcrypto... (cached) yes checking for main in -ldes... (cached) yes Found ssl and enabling RANDNUM and DHX support /usr creating ./config.status creating Makefile creating bin/Makefile creating bin/adv1tov2/Makefile creating bin/aecho/Makefile creating bin/afile/Makefile creating bin/afppasswd/Makefile creating bin/getzones/Makefile creating bin/megatron/Makefile creating bin/nbp/Makefile creating bin/pap/Makefile creating bin/psorder/Makefile creating config/Makefile creating contrib/Makefile creating contrib/nu/Makefile creating contrib/printing/Makefile creating contrib/shell_utils/Makefile creating contrib/timelord/Makefile creating distrib/Makefile creating distrib/config/Makefile creating distrib/config/netatalk-config creating distrib/initscripts/Makefile creating distrib/m4/Makefile creating etc/Makefile creating etc/afpd/Makefile creating etc/afpd/nls/Makefile creating etc/atalkd/Makefile creating etc/uams/Makefile creating etc/uams/uams_krb4/Makefile creating etc/papd/Makefile creating etc/psf/Makefile creating include/Makefile creating include/atalk/Makefile creating libatalk/Makefile creating libatalk/adouble/Makefile creating libatalk/asp/Makefile creating libatalk/atp/Makefile creating libatalk/compat/Makefile creating libatalk/dsi/Makefile creating libatalk/nbp/Makefile creating libatalk/netddp/Makefile creating libatalk/util/Makefile creating man/Makefile creating man/man1/Makefile creating man/man3/Makefile creating man/man4/Makefile creating man/man5/Makefile creating man/man8/Makefile creating sys/Makefile creating sys/netatalk/Makefile creating config.h config.h is unchanged config.status: #! /bin/sh # Generated automatically by configure. # Run this file to recreate the current configuration. # This directory was configured as follows, # on host epidote: # # ./configure --with-tcp-wrappers --with-ssl-dirs=/usr # # Compiler output produced by configure, useful for debugging # configure, is in ./config.log if it exists. ac_cs_usage="Usage: ./config.status [--recheck] [--version] [--help]" for ac_option do case "$ac_option" in -recheck | --recheck | --rechec | --reche | --rech | --rec | --re | --r) echo "running ${CONFIG_SHELL-/bin/sh} ./configure --with-tcp-wrappers --with-ssl-dirs=/usr --no-create --no-recursion" exec ${CONFIG_SHELL-/bin/sh} ./configure --with-tcp-wrappers --with-ssl-dirs=/usr --no-create --no-recursion ;; 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configure:4545: checking for mkdir configure:4545: checking for rmdir configure:4545: checking for select configure:4545: checking for socket configure:4545: checking for strdup configure:4545: checking for strstr configure:4545: checking for strtoul configure:4545: checking for setpgrp configure:4598: checking whether setpgrp takes no argument configure:4873: checking for pam_start in -lpam configure:4971: checking for hosts_access in -lwrap configure:5312: checking for main in -lcrypto configure:5355: checking for main in -ldes Repeat-by: ./configure --with-tcp-wrappers --with-ssl-dirs=/usr make As you can probably tell, debugging isn't my strong suit. I love how well 1.5pre5 is documented, much better than any of the other netatalk packages I've tried. Thank you very much. Sincerely, * * Karen Swanberg | Network Admin. | Error: Sector not found-- Dept. of Geology/Geophysics |search behind couch? (Y/N) 206 Pillsbury Hall | 310 Pillsbury Ave. SE | University of Mn | Enter any 11-digit prime Minneapolis, MN 55455 | number to continue... (612) 624-6541 | * * From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Wed Mar 21 15:31:28 2001 Return-Path: Received: from kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.25]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id PAA14610 for ; Wed, 21 Mar 2001 15:31:28 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id PAA20283 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Wed, 21 Mar 2001 15:31:28 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id PAA20266 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Wed, 21 Mar 2001 15:31:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from chat.ecp.fr (chat.ecp.fr [138.195.33.30]) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id PAA20230 for ; Wed, 21 Mar 2001 15:31:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from oufpasbugn.ecp.fr (oufpasbugn.ecp.fr [138.195.33.171]) by chat.ecp.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B3A17E72; Wed, 21 Mar 2001 21:31:24 +0100 (CET) Received: from (smap@localhost) by oufpasbugn.ecp.fr (8.7.6/jtpda-5.2) id VAA22328 ; Wed, 21 Mar 2001 21:31:24 +0100 Received: from panthere.ads.ecp.fr(138.195.38.12) by oufpasbugn.ecp.fr via smap (V2.0beta.1) id xma022326; Wed, 21 Mar 01 21:31:18 +0100 Received: from [138.195.38.25] (voiles.ads.ecp.fr [138.195.38.25]) by panthere.ads.ecp.fr (8.9.1a/jtpda-5.2) with ESMTP id VAA02957 ; Wed, 21 Mar 2001 21:31:06 +0100 (MET) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: jprey@mailhost.ads.ecp.fr Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 21:30:53 +0100 To: netatalk-admins@umich.edu From: Jean-Philippe Rey Subject: Re: O-BSD 2.8 1.5pre5 compile errors (was rand2num) Cc: netatalk-devel@lists.sourceforge.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" ; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu id PAA14610 Hi Karen, I too had some problems installing netatalk 1.5pre3 on OpenBSD 2.8. First the standard make cannot be used, you have to install gnu make. I used the package gmake-3.79.1.tgz which works fine. I had a problem that I traced back to libtool (I used the package libtool-1.3.5.tgz). I worked around the problem by editing the libtool script created in the source directory by configure. I added the line output_objdir=. near the beginning, after line 368. And by the way, libtool should reside in /usr (and not /usr/local as is the default location for the package). Install the package like that: pkg_add -p /usr libtool-1.3.5.tgz or you have to change the symlinks (config.guess, config.sub, ltconfig, etc.) in the netatalk source directory. I also had a problem with undefined symbols in libwrap.a, I just dropped the --with-tcp-wrappers parameter of configure. I had a last problem because configure did not set the config_h parameter correctly. So I edited the file config.h and added the line #define NO_CRYPT_H 1 And after that everything went smoothly. Summary ------- ./configure vi libtool -> 368a output_objdir=. vi config.h -> 6a #define NO_CRYPT_H 1 gmake gmake install worked for me. Hope that helps. -- Jean-Philippe Rey Délégué informatique - École Centrale Paris jprey@ads.ecp.fr 92295 Chātenay-Malabry Cedex - France From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Wed Mar 21 16:23:22 2001 Return-Path: Received: from easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.26]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id QAA16091 for ; Wed, 21 Mar 2001 16:23:21 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id QAA11759 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Wed, 21 Mar 2001 16:23:21 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id QAA11751 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Wed, 21 Mar 2001 16:23:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from mailhub2.otago.ac.nz (mailhub2.otago.ac.nz [139.80.64.199]) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id QAA11698 for ; Wed, 21 Mar 2001 16:23:19 -0500 (EST) Received: (from root@localhost) by mailhub2.otago.ac.nz (8.10.1/8.10.1) id f2LLN3V19822 for netatalk-admins@umich.edu; Thu, 22 Mar 2001 09:23:03 +1200 Received: from galadriel.otago.ac.nz (galadriel.otago.ac.nz [139.80.64.213]) by mailhub2.otago.ac.nz (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id f2LLN2D19789 for ; Thu, 22 Mar 2001 09:23:02 +1200 Received: from Tech-Assistants.stonebow.otago.ac.nz (ou076252.otago.ac.nz [139.80.76.252]) by galadriel.otago.ac.nz (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id f2LLN1O29452 for ; Thu, 22 Mar 2001 09:23:01 +1200 (NZST) Message-Id: <5.0.2.1.2.20010322091951.0229e720@brandywine.otago.ac.nz> X-Sender: st004805@brandywine.otago.ac.nz X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0.2 Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 09:23:05 +1200 To: netatalk-admins@umich.edu From: Geoffrey Hughes Subject: Netatalk not showing in Chooser Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-scanner: scanned by Inflex 0.1.5c - (http://www.inflex.co.za/) This is probably quite a simple fix but it's got me stumped at the moment. I have just installed Mandrake 7.1 on a machine with a 3com 3c905C nic and when starting netatalk I get the messages below... Mar 22 09:15:35 LTServer atalkd: eth0: multicast may not work correctly. Mar 22 09:15:36 LTServer atalkd[641]: zip_getnetinfo for eth0 Mar 22 09:15:45 LTServer atalkd[641]: zip_getnetinfo for eth0 Mar 22 09:15:55 LTServer atalkd[641]: zip_getnetinfo for eth0 Mar 22 09:16:05 LTServer atalkd[641]: config for no router Mar 22 09:16:06 LTServer atalkd[641]: ready 0/0/0 Mar 22 09:16:06 LTServer atalk: atalkd startup succeeded Mar 22 09:16:19 LTServer atalk: timelord startup succeeded Mar 22 09:16:19 LTServer atalk: afpd startup succeeded Mar 22 09:16:25 LTServer afpd[673]: Can't register LTServer:AFPServer@ITS Services DN Mar 22 09:16:25 LTServer timelord[665]: LTServer:TimeLord started Mar 22 09:16:25 LTServer afpd[673]: ASIP started on 139.80.105.33:548(1) (1.5) Mar 22 09:16:25 LTServer afpd[673]: uam: uams_clrtxt.so loaded Mar 22 09:16:25 LTServer afpd[673]: uam: "Cleartxt Passwrd" available I have loaded the module and if I click the server ip button in the choose, I can connect fine. The server just isn't showing in the chooser at all. The same configuration files work fine on a machine with an intel etherexpress pro card. Any ideas? ____________________________________________________________________ Geoffrey Hughes Information Technology Services, Technical Support Assistant University of Otago, Phone: +64 3 479 7333 PO Box 56, Cellphone: 021 376 032 Dunedin, New Zealand EMail: geoffrey.hughes@stonebow.otago.ac.nz ____________________________________________________________________ From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Wed Mar 21 16:34:49 2001 Return-Path: Received: from kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.25]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id QAA16565 for ; Wed, 21 Mar 2001 16:34:49 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id QAA15134 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Wed, 21 Mar 2001 16:34:49 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id QAA15114 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Wed, 21 Mar 2001 16:34:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from la3serv.rninet.de (la3serv.rninet.de [62.225.55.3]) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id QAA15047 for ; Wed, 21 Mar 2001 16:34:46 -0500 (EST) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by la3serv.rninet.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) with UUCP id WAA22085; Wed, 21 Mar 2001 22:34:40 +0100 Received: from [192.168.1.4] (erbse.causeuse.org [192.168.1.4]) by espresso.causeuse.org (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f2LLOhS16723; Wed, 21 Mar 2001 22:24:45 +0100 (CET) X-Sender: hauke@espresso Message-Id: In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 22:22:10 +0100 To: Karen A Swanberg From: Hauke Fath Subject: Re: [Netatalk-devel] O-BSD 2.8 1.5pre5 compile errors (was rand2num) Cc: netatalk-admins@umich.edu, netatalk-devel@lists.sourceforge.net At 20:31 Uhr +0100 21.3.2001, Karen A Swanberg wrote: >Greetings, I think this is a bug. I've included everything I think should >be useful, but I'd be happy to provide more. If this is hopelessly basic, >I apologize. Almost all problems are simple -- after you solved them. ;) >SUBJECT: compile errors on 1.5pre5 on OpenBSD 2.8 during make >install. Using 1.5pre5 in order to utilize DHX, my ./configure was: >./configure --with-tcp-wrappers --with-ssl-dirs=/usr > >The compile ran fine, but the 'make' then died with the error: > >#make >make all-recursive >Making all in libatalk > >Making install in libatalk >"Makefile", line 317: Need an operator >Fatal errors encountered -- cannot continue >*** Error code 1 Sit back and relax: You've just been bitten by the progressing gnuification of Netatalk. For whatever reason (I tried to track it down, but got lost in the twisty maze that the output of GNU automake is) the Makefiles of Sourceforge Netatalk want GNU make, and GNU make only. Now, didn't I say it's simple? ;) hauke -- "It's never straight up and down" (DEVO) From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Wed Mar 21 18:05:18 2001 Return-Path: Received: from funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.27]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id SAA18815 for ; Wed, 21 Mar 2001 18:05:18 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id SAA05316 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Wed, 21 Mar 2001 18:05:12 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id SAA05300 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Wed, 21 Mar 2001 18:05:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from harumscarum.mr.itd.umich.edu (harumscarum.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.125.17]) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id SAA05270 for ; Wed, 21 Mar 2001 18:05:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from adsl-242-15.ns.itd.umich.edu (adsl-242-15.ns.itd.umich.edu [141.213.242.15]) by harumscarum.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.3s) with ESMTP id SAA24552; Wed, 21 Mar 2001 18:05:15 -0500 (EST) From: wes@umich.edu Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 18:05:12 -0500 To: Karen A Swanberg cc: netatalk-admins@umich.edu Subject: Re: a newbie question Message-ID: <2029889.3194186712@adsl-242-15.ns.itd.umich.edu> In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Mulberry/2.0.6 (MacOS) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline > http://endofdays.rs.itd.umich.edu/~tombeau/netatalk/mail.html This is the URL to the mock-up of what an up-to-date netatalk homepage would look like. It's a mock-up because it is not up-to-date. Someone should create a nice, up-to-date netatalk home page, complete with fancy graphics, a current FAQ, and many references to the version of netatalk that is in active development. We'd certainly point netatalk.org at such a site. The above site is none of these things. It's pretty tho, in my opinion. > ftp://terminator.rs.itd.umich.edy/unix/netatalk This is actually: ftp://rsug.itd.umich.edu/unix/netatalk BTW, if someone else wanted to run the netatalk admins mailing list, I would be happy to give them, completely free of charge, the last 9 or so years of mailing list archives to start indexing. netatalk-admins@umich.edu (in addition to netatalk-admins@netatalk.org or some other clever address that the new maintainer wanted) could point at this new mailing list resender. :wes From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Wed Mar 21 21:42:31 2001 Return-Path: Received: from kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.25]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id VAA23217 for ; Wed, 21 Mar 2001 21:42:31 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id VAA29545 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Wed, 21 Mar 2001 21:42:31 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id VAA29533 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Wed, 21 Mar 2001 21:42:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.valinux.com (mail.valinux.com [198.186.202.175]) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id VAA29507 for ; Wed, 21 Mar 2001 21:42:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from nat-hdqt.valinux.com ([198.186.202.17] helo=valinux.com) by mail.valinux.com with esmtp (Exim 3.22 #1 (Debian)) id 14fv3K-00069t-00; Wed, 21 Mar 2001 18:42:18 -0800 Message-ID: <3AB9664C.A380BCAB@valinux.com> Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 18:41:16 -0800 From: "Mark J. Marriott" Organization: VA Linux Systems, Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: linux-atalk@netspace.org, netatalk-admins@umich.edu, netatalk-devel@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: netatalk success stories Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------4126A7C2A2D570449ECC86D3" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------4126A7C2A2D570449ECC86D3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dear Netatalk Users and Developers, I am doing research for an article about successful uses of open source software in enterprise/institutional infrastructure. I am looking for stories about large, successful Netatalk deployments and would appreciate any information. Best Regards, Mark --------------4126A7C2A2D570449ECC86D3 Content-Type: text/x-vcard; charset=us-ascii; name="mmarriott.vcf" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: Card for Mark J. Marriott Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="mmarriott.vcf" begin:vcard n:Marriott;Mark tel;fax:775-307-1044 tel;work:310-415-3349 x-mozilla-html:FALSE url:http://www.valinux.com org:VA Linux Systems, Inc.;Professional Services adr:;;3610 N. Alma Ave.;Manhattan Beach;CA;90266;USA version:2.1 email;internet:mmarriott@valinux.com title:Sales Manager fn:Mark J. Marriott end:vcard --------------4126A7C2A2D570449ECC86D3-- From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Thu Mar 22 01:29:28 2001 Return-Path: Received: from funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.27]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id BAA28113 for ; Thu, 22 Mar 2001 01:29:28 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id BAA03085 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Thu, 22 Mar 2001 01:29:22 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id BAA03048 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Thu, 22 Mar 2001 01:29:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from gromit.daemonize.com (adsl-63-204-212-186.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [63.204.212.186]) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id BAA02986 for ; Thu, 22 Mar 2001 01:29:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from paulkrohn.com (wallace.daemonize.com [10.77.1.3]) by gromit.daemonize.com (8.9.3/8.9.2) with ESMTP id WAA27537 for ; Wed, 21 Mar 2001 22:29:24 -0800 Message-ID: <3AB99BAB.710BF68E@paulkrohn.com> Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 22:28:59 -0800 From: Paul Krohn X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "netatalk-admins@umich.edu" Subject: Re: O-BSD 2.8 1.5pre5 compile errors (was rand2num) References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Speaking of compile errors, i get the following when i try to compile 1.5pre5 on my cobalt qube 2: afp_config.c: In function `ASPConfigInit': afp_config.c:181: `VERSION' undeclared (first use this function) afp_config.c:181: (Each undeclared identifier is reported only once afp_config.c:181: for each function it appears in.) afp_config.c: In function `DSIConfigInit': afp_config.c:230: `VERSION' undeclared (first use this function) it's a redhat-5 based setup. i recently upgraded from gcc 2.7.2 to egcs-2.90.27 -- made no difference with this problem. which reminds me, none of the binaries seem to be willing to cough up what version they are -- ie 'afpd -v' just barks at you about usage. is there any interest in adding that? is that what happened and it is broken for my system? From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Thu Mar 22 09:56:56 2001 Return-Path: Received: from kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.25]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id JAA06441 for ; Thu, 22 Mar 2001 09:56:56 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id JAA00786 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Thu, 22 Mar 2001 09:56:56 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id JAA00766 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Thu, 22 Mar 2001 09:56:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from rgrjr.dyndns.org (h0050da615e79.ne.mediaone.net [24.218.161.12]) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with SMTP id JAA00729 for ; Thu, 22 Mar 2001 09:56:53 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 6290 invoked by uid 500); 22 Mar 2001 14:56:52 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <15034.4788.849611.662596@h0050da615e79.ne.mediaone.net> Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 09:56:52 -0500 From: Bob Rogers To: Paul Krohn Cc: "netatalk-admins@umich.edu" Subject: Re: O-BSD 2.8 1.5pre5 compile errors (was rand2num) In-Reply-To: <3AB99BAB.710BF68E@paulkrohn.com> References: <3AB99BAB.710BF68E@paulkrohn.com> X-Mailer: VM 6.89 under Emacs 20.7.1 From: Paul Krohn Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 22:28:59 -0800 Speaking of compile errors, i get the following . . . which reminds me, none of the binaries seem to be willing to cough up what version they are -- ie 'afpd -v' just barks at you about usage. is there any interest in adding that? is that what happened and it is broken for my system? The daemons all spew version information into the log when started, but that's not very useful if you can't get to that point. Which argues for supporting "-v" or "--version" on the command line. -- Bob Rogers From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Thu Mar 22 11:26:17 2001 Return-Path: Received: from kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.25]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id LAA08581 for ; Thu, 22 Mar 2001 11:26:17 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id LAA23121 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Thu, 22 Mar 2001 11:26:16 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id LAA23095 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Thu, 22 Mar 2001 11:26:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from mathserv.math.ohio-state.edu (mathserv.math.ohio-state.edu [128.146.111.31]) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id LAA23050 for ; Thu, 22 Mar 2001 11:26:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from math.ohio-state.edu (IDENT:postfix@hooloovoo.math.ohio-state.edu [128.146.111.37]) by mathserv.math.ohio-state.edu (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id f2MGQDR18840 for ; Thu, 22 Mar 2001 11:26:13 -0500 Received: by math.ohio-state.edu (Postfix, from userid 2405) id 38F37B65E; Thu, 22 Mar 2001 11:26:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by math.ohio-state.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3590FB65D for ; Thu, 22 Mar 2001 11:26:13 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 11:26:13 -0500 (EST) From: Chad Cunningham To: Subject: zone router Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hi, I am trying to replace a Solaris box running CAP with a linux box running netatalk. I can't seem to get zones to work properly under the new netatalk setup. My atalkd.conf looks like eth0 -router -phase 2 -net 0-65534 -addr 257.249 -zone "Staff" -zone "RTL" -zone "Faculty" -zone "EMPT" -zone "Public" It seems happy with this, the atalkd.conf doesn't get overwritten when I start up and I can use getzones and they all show up. However, none of the macs recognize any zones. Any idea why this might be? -- Chad Cunningham ccunning@math.ohio-state.edu "Well, once again my friend, we find that science is a two-headed beast. One head is nice, it gives us aspirin and other modern conveniences,...but the other head of science is bad! Oh beware the other head of science, Arthur, it bites!" From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Thu Mar 22 11:33:44 2001 Return-Path: Received: from funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.27]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id LAA08837 for ; Thu, 22 Mar 2001 11:33:44 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id LAA21934 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Thu, 22 Mar 2001 11:33:37 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id LAA21904 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Thu, 22 Mar 2001 11:33:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from garnet.tc.umn.edu (garnet.tc.umn.edu [160.94.218.249]) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id LAA21854 for ; Thu, 22 Mar 2001 11:33:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by garnet.tc.umn.edu with ESMTP for netatalk-admins@umich.edu; Thu, 22 Mar 2001 10:33:41 -0600 Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 10:33:41 -0600 (CST) From: Karen A Swanberg To: netatalk-admins@umich.edu Subject: O-BSD uam_load errors + wrap/encrypt? In-Reply-To: Message-Id: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII (was O-BSD 2.8 1.5pre5 compile errors) Greetings again; gmake fixed the compile issues, a sincere thank you, but now my uam/encryption libraries won't load. More details below. on 03/21/01, Jean-Philippe Rey wisely declared: > > Summary > ------- > > ./configure > vi libtool -> 368a output_objdir=. > vi config.h -> 6a #define NO_CRYPT_H 1 > gmake > gmake install I tried all this, exactly as written, and with a few variations: not making the libtool/config.h changes, compiling with and without --with-tcp-wrappers and --with-ssl-dirs=/usr. For every variation, this comes up in my logs when the daemons are starting: afpd[] uam_load(uams_guest.so): mod_symbol error afpd[] uam_load(uams_clrtxt.so): mod_symbol error afpd[] uam_load(uams_dhx.so): mod_symbol error Unsuprisingly, the macs can't log in, and they get the error usually associated with not having the most up-to-date AppleShare client, which I got for good measure, although I know the problem is with the above errors. During the gmake install, the following errors occurred: In file included from auth.c:25: uam_auth.h:35: warning: `struct papfile' declared inside parameter list uam_auth.h:35: warning: it's scope is only this definition or declaration, with is probably not what you want. the same error occurred with uam.c:25 Jean-Philippe Rey suggested not adding in the --with-tcp-wrappers during the compile. Is this because they won't work in this beta, or does the compile adds them in manually? I would very much like to use them. The whole reason I'm up here on the bleeding beta edge is to use a mostly secure version of netatalk, I have a perfectly functional version of 1.4b2+asun2.1.3, it just doesn't encrypt anything, but it does use wrappers. If wrappers don't work now, would people recommend staying with a wrapped / non-encrypted netatalk, or go non-wrapped / encrypted (assuming I can get this problem ironed out)? I have no solid evidence of sniffers on my dept. network, but I'm at a big University, and I'm starting the migration to SSH as well, so it seems silly to insist on SSH when my netatalk connections are cleartext. My environment: #pkg_info ssl-2.7-USA amanda-2.4.1p1 libtool-1.3.5 automake-1.4 autoconf-2.13 gettext-0.10.35 gmake-3.79.1 on OpenBSD 2.8/i386 Again, many thanks for the quick turn-around and helpful answers. * * Karen Swanberg | Network Admin. | Error: Sector not found-- Dept. of Geology/Geophysics |search behind couch? 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(612) 624-6541 | * * From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Thu Mar 22 12:17:29 2001 Return-Path: Received: from kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.25]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id MAA09993 for ; Thu, 22 Mar 2001 12:17:28 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id MAA18551 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Thu, 22 Mar 2001 12:17:28 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id MAA18540 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Thu, 22 Mar 2001 12:17:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from abductee.12inch.com (smtp.visusmedia.com [38.241.102.2]) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id MAA18518 for ; Thu, 22 Mar 2001 12:17:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from [192.168.200.10] (sc-24-165-68-116.socal.rr.com [24.165.68.116]) by abductee.12inch.com (8.9.3/8.8.7) with ESMTP id JAA17488; Thu, 22 Mar 2001 09:24:25 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Macintosh Eudora Pro Version 4.2.1-J Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 09:12:33 -0800 To: Chad Cunningham , From: alan premselaar Subject: Re: zone router Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-2022-jp" ; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Chad, Once you make a change to your appletalk network like that, you'll need to either a) reboot your macs, or b) open up the appletalk control panel on each of them... at which point it should tell you that your appletalk network setting is no longer valid and re-probe the ethernet device for zones, etc. In some cases, i've had to switch the appletalk from the ethernet device to the printerport (or something else) and back before it would recognize the new zones. alan At 11:26$B8aA0(B -0500 3.22.01, Chad Cunningham wrote: >Hi, > >I am trying to replace a Solaris box running CAP with a linux box running >netatalk. I can't seem to get zones to work properly under the new >netatalk setup. My atalkd.conf looks like > >eth0 -router -phase 2 -net 0-65534 -addr 257.249 -zone "Staff" -zone "RTL" >-zone "Faculty" -zone "EMPT" -zone "Public" > >It seems happy with this, the atalkd.conf doesn't get overwritten when I >start up and I can use getzones and they all show up. However, none of the >macs recognize any zones. Any idea why this might be? > > -- > >Chad Cunningham >ccunning@math.ohio-state.edu > >"Well, once again my friend, we find that science is a two-headed beast. One >head is nice, it gives us aspirin and other modern conveniences,...but the >other head of science is bad! Oh beware the other head of science, Arthur, it >bites!" ---- there's nothing like the undying sense of reliability provided by modern technology. ---- alan premselaar alien@12inch.com www.12inch.com From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Thu Mar 22 12:18:46 2001 Return-Path: Received: from funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.27]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id MAA10060 for ; Thu, 22 Mar 2001 12:18:45 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id MAA08715 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Thu, 22 Mar 2001 12:18:38 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id MAA08690 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Thu, 22 Mar 2001 12:18:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from chat.ecp.fr (chat.ecp.fr [138.195.33.30]) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id MAA08473 for ; Thu, 22 Mar 2001 12:18:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from oufpasbugn.ecp.fr (oufpasbugn.ecp.fr [138.195.33.171]) by chat.ecp.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 610D37DF0 for ; Thu, 22 Mar 2001 18:18:30 +0100 (CET) Received: from (smap@localhost) by oufpasbugn.ecp.fr (8.7.6/jtpda-5.2) id SAA25575 for ; Thu, 22 Mar 2001 18:18:30 +0100 Received: from panthere.ads.ecp.fr(138.195.38.12) by oufpasbugn.ecp.fr via smap (V2.0beta.1) id xma025573; Thu, 22 Mar 01 18:18:12 +0100 Received: from [138.195.38.25] (voiles.ads.ecp.fr [138.195.38.25]) by panthere.ads.ecp.fr (8.9.1a/jtpda-5.2) with ESMTP id SAA08565 for ; Thu, 22 Mar 2001 18:18:21 +0100 (MET) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: jprey@mailhost.ads.ecp.fr Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 18:18:08 +0100 To: netatalk-admins@umich.edu From: Jean-Philippe Rey Subject: Re: O-BSD uam_load errors + wrap/encrypt? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" ; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu id MAA10060 At 10:33 -0600 22/03/01, Karen A Swanberg wrote: > >For every variation, this comes up in my logs when the daemons are >starting: > >afpd[] uam_load(uams_guest.so): mod_symbol error >afpd[] uam_load(uams_clrtxt.so): mod_symbol error >afpd[] uam_load(uams_dhx.so): mod_symbol error Now that you mention it, I also encountered this problem. I solved it by adding #define DLSYM_PREPEND_UNDERSCORE 1 in the config.h file, and then gmake again. >Jean-Philippe Rey suggested not adding in the --with-tcp-wrappers during >the compile. Is this because they won't work in this beta, or does the >compile adds them in manually? I would very much like to use them. The >whole reason I'm up here on the bleeding beta edge is to use a mostly >secure version of netatalk, I have a perfectly functional version of >1.4b2+asun2.1.3, it just doesn't encrypt anything, but it does use >wrappers. If wrappers don't work now, would people recommend staying with >a wrapped / non-encrypted netatalk, or go non-wrapped / encrypted >(assuming I can get this problem ironed out)? I have no solid evidence of >sniffers on my dept. network, but I'm at a big University, and I'm >starting the migration to SSH as well, so it seems silly to insist on SSH >when my netatalk connections are cleartext. My netatalk server already resides in a protected network, so wrappers are not so important for me. When I saw that it won't work out of the box, I didn't try to make it work. But it was before I add the DLSYM_PREPEND_UNDERSCORE line, that may solve also the wrapper library problem. Give it a try. -- Jean-Philippe Rey Délégué informatique - École Centrale Paris jprey@ads.ecp.fr 92295 Chātenay-Malabry Cedex - France From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Thu Mar 22 12:58:52 2001 Return-Path: Received: from funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.27]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id MAA14591 for ; Thu, 22 Mar 2001 12:58:51 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id MAA18182 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Thu, 22 Mar 2001 12:58:44 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id MAA18152 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Thu, 22 Mar 2001 12:58:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from univrel.pr.uconn.edu (univrel.pr.uconn.edu [137.99.59.30]) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id MAA17654 for ; Thu, 22 Mar 2001 12:58:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from univrel.pr.uconn.edu (root@test.pr.uconn.edu [137.99.59.90]) by univrel.pr.uconn.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id MAA21550; Thu, 22 Mar 2001 12:58:11 -0500 Sender: root@univrel.pr.uconn.edu Message-ID: <3AB9F222.ABCCBE7E@univrel.pr.uconn.edu> Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 07:37:54 -0500 From: jeff X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.17-21mdksmp i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jean-Philippe Rey CC: netatalk-admins@umich.edu, netatalk-devel@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: O-BSD uam_load errors + wrap/encrypt? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Jean-Philippe Rey wrote: > > At 10:33 -0600 22/03/01, Karen A Swanberg wrote: > > > >For every variation, this comes up in my logs when the daemons are > >starting: > > > >afpd[] uam_load(uams_guest.so): mod_symbol error > >afpd[] uam_load(uams_clrtxt.so): mod_symbol error > >afpd[] uam_load(uams_dhx.so): mod_symbol error > > Now that you mention it, I also encountered this problem. I solved it by adding > > #define DLSYM_PREPEND_UNDERSCORE 1 > > in the config.h file, and then gmake again. Just patched configure.in to define DLSYM_PREPEND_UNDERSCORE for OpenBSD. Thanks, jeff From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Thu Mar 22 13:12:40 2001 Return-Path: Received: from easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.26]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id NAA14849 for ; Thu, 22 Mar 2001 13:12:40 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id NAA07813 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Thu, 22 Mar 2001 13:12:40 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id NAA07800 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Thu, 22 Mar 2001 13:12:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from mathserv.math.ohio-state.edu (mathserv.math.ohio-state.edu [128.146.111.31]) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id NAA07769 for ; Thu, 22 Mar 2001 13:12:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from math.ohio-state.edu (IDENT:postfix@hooloovoo.math.ohio-state.edu [128.146.111.37]) by mathserv.math.ohio-state.edu (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id f2MICbR23687; Thu, 22 Mar 2001 13:12:37 -0500 Received: by math.ohio-state.edu (Postfix, from userid 2405) id E9840B65E; Thu, 22 Mar 2001 13:12:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by math.ohio-state.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id E5CEDB65D; Thu, 22 Mar 2001 13:12:36 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 13:12:36 -0500 (EST) From: Chad Cunningham To: alan premselaar Cc: Subject: Re: zone router In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hi, I had rebooted them, didn't do anything. I tried opening the appletalk control panel and switching the appletalk connection off of ethernet and then back. This gave me all the zones, but for some reason every computer was in every zone... Also, after about 2 minutes, the mac would lose all it's zones and say that the appletalk network has become unavailable... On Thu, 22 Mar 2001, alan premselaar wrote: > Chad, > > Once you make a change to your appletalk network like that, you'll need to > either a) reboot your macs, or b) open up the appletalk control panel on > each of them... at which point it should tell you that your appletalk > network setting is no longer valid and re-probe the ethernet device for > zones, etc. In some cases, i've had to switch the appletalk from the > ethernet device to the printerport (or something else) and back before it > would recognize the new zones. > > alan > > At 11:26$B8aA0(B -0500 3.22.01, Chad Cunningham wrote: > >Hi, > > > >I am trying to replace a Solaris box running CAP with a linux box running > >netatalk. I can't seem to get zones to work properly under the new > >netatalk setup. My atalkd.conf looks like > > > >eth0 -router -phase 2 -net 0-65534 -addr 257.249 -zone "Staff" -zone "RTL" > >-zone "Faculty" -zone "EMPT" -zone "Public" > > > >It seems happy with this, the atalkd.conf doesn't get overwritten when I > >start up and I can use getzones and they all show up. However, none of the > >macs recognize any zones. Any idea why this might be? > > > > -- > > > >Chad Cunningham > >ccunning@math.ohio-state.edu > > > >"Well, once again my friend, we find that science is a two-headed beast. One > >head is nice, it gives us aspirin and other modern conveniences,...but the > >other head of science is bad! Oh beware the other head of science, Arthur, it > >bites!" > > ---- > there's nothing like the undying sense of reliability provided by modern > technology. > ---- > alan premselaar > alien@12inch.com > www.12inch.com > -- Chad Cunningham ccunning@math.ohio-state.edu "Well, once again my friend, we find that science is a two-headed beast. One head is nice, it gives us aspirin and other modern conveniences,...but the other head of science is bad! Oh beware the other head of science, Arthur, it bites!" From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Thu Mar 22 13:27:27 2001 Return-Path: Received: from funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.27]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id NAA15288 for ; Thu, 22 Mar 2001 13:27:27 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id NAA06457 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Thu, 22 Mar 2001 13:27:19 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id NAA06436 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Thu, 22 Mar 2001 13:27:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from abductee.12inch.com (smtp.visusmedia.com [38.241.102.2]) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id NAA06331 for ; Thu, 22 Mar 2001 13:27:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from [192.168.200.10] (sc-24-165-68-116.socal.rr.com [24.165.68.116]) by abductee.12inch.com (8.9.3/8.8.7) with ESMTP id KAA17672; Thu, 22 Mar 2001 10:34:20 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Macintosh Eudora Pro Version 4.2.1-J Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 10:24:22 -0800 To: Chad Cunningham From: alan premselaar Subject: Re: zone router Cc: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-2022-jp" ; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit do you have any other appletalk routers on your network? when the macs see the zones in the chooser (after clicking on appleshare), what zone(s) does the linux server show up in? more than likely you've got another appletalk router somewhere on your network and it has conflicting zone information. alan At 1:12$B8a8e(B -0500 3.22.01, Chad Cunningham wrote: >Hi, > >I had rebooted them, didn't do anything. I tried opening the appletalk >control panel and switching the appletalk connection off of ethernet and >then back. This gave me all the zones, but for some reason every computer >was in every zone... Also, after about 2 minutes, the mac would lose all >it's zones and say that the appletalk network has become unavailable... > >On Thu, 22 Mar 2001, alan premselaar wrote: > > > Chad, > > > > Once you make a change to your appletalk network like that, you'll >need to > > either a) reboot your macs, or b) open up the appletalk control panel on > > each of them... at which point it should tell you that your appletalk > > network setting is no longer valid and re-probe the ethernet device for > > zones, etc. In some cases, i've had to switch the appletalk from the > > ethernet device to the printerport (or something else) and back before it > > would recognize the new zones. > > > > alan > > > > At 11:26$B8aA0(B -0500 3.22.01, Chad Cunningham wrote: > > >Hi, > > > > > >I am trying to replace a Solaris box running CAP with a linux box running > > >netatalk. I can't seem to get zones to work properly under the new > > >netatalk setup. My atalkd.conf looks like > > > > > >eth0 -router -phase 2 -net 0-65534 -addr 257.249 -zone "Staff" -zone "RTL" > > >-zone "Faculty" -zone "EMPT" -zone "Public" > > > > > >It seems happy with this, the atalkd.conf doesn't get overwritten when I > > >start up and I can use getzones and they all show up. However, none of the > > >macs recognize any zones. Any idea why this might be? > > > > > > -- > > > > > >Chad Cunningham > > >ccunning@math.ohio-state.edu > > > > > >"Well, once again my friend, we find that science is a two-headed >beast. One > > >head is nice, it gives us aspirin and other modern conveniences,...but the > > >other head of science is bad! Oh beware the other head of science, >Arthur, it > > >bites!" > > > > ---- > > there's nothing like the undying sense of reliability provided by modern > > technology. > > ---- > > alan premselaar > > alien@12inch.com > > www.12inch.com > > > >-- > >Chad Cunningham >ccunning@math.ohio-state.edu > >"Well, once again my friend, we find that science is a two-headed beast. One >head is nice, it gives us aspirin and other modern conveniences,...but the >other head of science is bad! Oh beware the other head of science, Arthur, it >bites!" ---- there's nothing like the undying sense of reliability provided by modern technology. ---- alan premselaar alien@12inch.com www.12inch.com From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Thu Mar 22 14:00:13 2001 Return-Path: Received: from easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.26]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id OAA16188 for ; Thu, 22 Mar 2001 14:00:12 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id OAA19272 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Thu, 22 Mar 2001 14:00:12 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id OAA19260 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Thu, 22 Mar 2001 14:00:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from mathserv.math.ohio-state.edu (mathserv.math.ohio-state.edu [128.146.111.31]) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id OAA19244 for ; Thu, 22 Mar 2001 14:00:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from math.ohio-state.edu (IDENT:postfix@hooloovoo.math.ohio-state.edu [128.146.111.37]) by mathserv.math.ohio-state.edu (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id f2MJ0AR26405; Thu, 22 Mar 2001 14:00:10 -0500 Received: by math.ohio-state.edu (Postfix, from userid 2405) id 3E39FB65C; Thu, 22 Mar 2001 14:00:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by math.ohio-state.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A802B65A; Thu, 22 Mar 2001 14:00:10 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 14:00:10 -0500 (EST) From: Chad Cunningham To: alan premselaar Cc: Subject: Re: zone router In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=ISO-8859-1 As far as I know, there are no other appletalk routers. Is there any way to scan for it? But when I shut down the netatalk or CAP server, the macs say appletalk is gone and register no zones, so I would think that would mean that there isn't another router running, right? This is very strange... On Thu, 22 Mar 2001, alan premselaar wrote: > do you have any other appletalk routers on your network? > > when the macs see the zones in the chooser (after clicking on appleshare), > what zone(s) does the linux server show up in? > > more than likely you've got another appletalk router somewhere on your > network and it has conflicting zone information. > > alan > > At 1:12$B8a8e(B -0500 3.22.01, Chad Cunningham wrote: > >Hi, > > > >I had rebooted them, didn't do anything. I tried opening the appletalk > >control panel and switching the appletalk connection off of ethernet and > >then back. This gave me all the zones, but for some reason every computer > >was in every zone... Also, after about 2 minutes, the mac would lose all > >it's zones and say that the appletalk network has become unavailable... > > > >On Thu, 22 Mar 2001, alan premselaar wrote: > > > > > Chad, > > > > > > Once you make a change to your appletalk network like that, you'll > >need to > > > either a) reboot your macs, or b) open up the appletalk control panel on > > > each of them... at which point it should tell you that your appletalk > > > network setting is no longer valid and re-probe the ethernet device for > > > zones, etc. In some cases, i've had to switch the appletalk from the > > > ethernet device to the printerport (or something else) and back before it > > > would recognize the new zones. > > > > > > alan > > > > > > At 11:26$B8aA0(B -0500 3.22.01, Chad Cunningham wrote: > > > >Hi, > > > > > > > >I am trying to replace a Solaris box running CAP with a linux box running > > > >netatalk. I can't seem to get zones to work properly under the new > > > >netatalk setup. My atalkd.conf looks like > > > > > > > >eth0 -router -phase 2 -net 0-65534 -addr 257.249 -zone "Staff" -zone "RTL" > > > >-zone "Faculty" -zone "EMPT" -zone "Public" > > > > > > > >It seems happy with this, the atalkd.conf doesn't get overwritten when I > > > >start up and I can use getzones and they all show up. However, none of the > > > >macs recognize any zones. Any idea why this might be? > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > >Chad Cunningham > > > >ccunning@math.ohio-state.edu > > > > > > > >"Well, once again my friend, we find that science is a two-headed > >beast. One > > > >head is nice, it gives us aspirin and other modern conveniences,...but the > > > >other head of science is bad! Oh beware the other head of science, > >Arthur, it > > > >bites!" > > > > > > ---- > > > there's nothing like the undying sense of reliability provided by modern > > > technology. > > > ---- > > > alan premselaar > > > alien@12inch.com > > > www.12inch.com > > > > > > >-- > > > >Chad Cunningham > >ccunning@math.ohio-state.edu > > > >"Well, once again my friend, we find that science is a two-headed beast. One > >head is nice, it gives us aspirin and other modern conveniences,...but the > >other head of science is bad! Oh beware the other head of science, Arthur, it > >bites!" > > ---- > there's nothing like the undying sense of reliability provided by modern > technology. > ---- > alan premselaar > alien@12inch.com > www.12inch.com > -- Chad Cunningham ccunning@math.ohio-state.edu "Well, once again my friend, we find that science is a two-headed beast. One head is nice, it gives us aspirin and other modern conveniences,...but the other head of science is bad! Oh beware the other head of science, Arthur, it bites!" From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Thu Mar 22 14:53:24 2001 Return-Path: Received: from funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.27]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id OAA17387 for ; Thu, 22 Mar 2001 14:53:24 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id OAA28087 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Thu, 22 Mar 2001 14:53:17 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id OAA28067 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Thu, 22 Mar 2001 14:53:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from duffman (duffman.mgh.harvard.edu [132.183.191.79]) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id OAA28006 for ; Thu, 22 Mar 2001 14:53:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from eli (eli.mgh.harvard.edu [132.183.191.68]) by duffman (Postfix on SuSE eMail Server 2.0) with SMTP id 7EF561436F9 for ; Thu, 22 Mar 2001 14:51:20 -0500 (EST) From: Norman tenBroek Reply-To: tenbroek@frodo.mgh.harvard.edu To: netatalk-admins@umich.edu Subject: Re: The item "..." cannot be written, because it is locked. Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 02:53:23 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" References: <1012885106.984560395@[192.168.99.123]> In-Reply-To: <1012885106.984560395@[192.168.99.123]> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <01032202532300.00679@eli> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On Wednesday 14 March 2001 08:59, Chad Leigh, Objectwerks, Inc. wrote: > Just for the record, the same happened to me on FreeBSD 4.2 intel with this > release... > > --On Wednesday, March 14, 2001 1:14 AM -0600 "Bruce A. Burdick, Jr." > > wrote: > > I have this same issue on 1.5pre5 on a LinuxPPC 2000 Q4 PowerMac 7300 > > (binary built with rpm --rebuild, then installed with rpm -i). > > Additionally, copying files to the server creates an empty file despite > > the warning. And deleting files results in a privileges warning -- but > > the files trash anyway. And emptying the trash does not succeed. But > > dismounting and remounting the volume, after such a sequence, shows the > > files were indeed deleted. _But_ not for directories containing (empty) > > files: the files must be trashed first (producing the false warnings) and > > then the empty directory may be trashed. More for the record: I'm having the same problem on both redhat7.0 and SuSE 7.1 intel. Neither are production. -- Norman tenBroek Systems Manager Dept. of Molecular Biology Mass. General Hospital From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Thu Mar 22 15:14:08 2001 Return-Path: Received: from easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.26]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id PAA18104 for ; Thu, 22 Mar 2001 15:14:08 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id PAA07284 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Thu, 22 Mar 2001 15:14:08 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id PAA07151 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Thu, 22 Mar 2001 15:14:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.byte-productions.com (mail.byte-productions.com [12.32.73.213]) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id PAA07082 for ; Thu, 22 Mar 2001 15:14:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from [12.32.73.194] (byte-1.byte-productions.com [12.32.73.194]) by mail.byte-productions.com (8.9.3/8.8.7) with ESMTP id PAA29391 for ; Thu, 22 Mar 2001 15:14:00 -0500 User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 15:13:59 -0500 Subject: Illustrator EPS files From: Tom Barrons To: Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Hi all, I could use some help. I just built a new fileserver for a mixed Mac/Windows environment, I'm running netatalk and samba. This is only the second such install I've done. My first one was a while ago and it's been running great. I tried replicating the problem on my first install using the same files, the first one does not have the problem. First machine I'm running Yellow Dog Linux Champion Server 1.1 with netatalk-1.4b2+asun2.1.3, from an RPM provided with the distrobution. The new machine having the problem is RedHat 7 also with netatalk-1.4b2+asun2.1.3, this RPM was from RedHat's site. The two machines are on different networks in different buildings. This art department, all Macs, use Adobe Illustrator version 9. If a user tries saving a file directly to the server as an EPS "occasionally" they get kicked off the server and have to reconnect. They never have this problem if they save the file locally and then drag copy it over the network, only if they are saving it from within Illustrator. I don't see this as being to big of a problem myself but I can't seem to get them in the habit of doing it this way and not complaining about it. This didn't used to happen on their old NT server so of course they think the Linux one is broken and I want to prove otherwise. Everything else on the Samba/Windows end is working on this new install. After skimming through archives of this list I suspected the CRLF translation and I believe I correctly disabled that by adding -nocrlf to afpd.conf? I restarted netatlk but the problem persists. Since I didn't compile this myself I also wonder about a difference there, and how could I check for this? Could this still be something in netatalk or a config somewhere, or should I be looking elsewhere on the server or the network? Thanks for any help. Tom From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Thu Mar 22 17:26:43 2001 Return-Path: Received: from easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.26]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id RAA21922 for ; Thu, 22 Mar 2001 17:26:43 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id RAA22778 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Thu, 22 Mar 2001 17:26:43 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id RAA22762 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Thu, 22 Mar 2001 17:26:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from abductee.12inch.com (smtp.visusmedia.com [38.241.102.2]) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id RAA22745 for ; Thu, 22 Mar 2001 17:26:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from [192.168.200.10] (lsanca1-192-008.dsl.gtei.net [4.3.192.8]) by abductee.12inch.com (8.9.3/8.8.7) with ESMTP id OAA18204; Thu, 22 Mar 2001 14:33:39 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Macintosh Eudora Pro Version 4.2.1-J Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 14:23:14 -0800 To: Tom Barrons , From: alan premselaar Subject: Re: Illustrator EPS files Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-2022-jp" ; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Tom, I'm not sure why it wouldn't happen on an NT server (unless the NT server wasn't utilizing AppleShare IP protocol), HOWEVER, Adobe made some changes in Illustrator 9 that affects it's communication with servers (not any specifically) which cause strange things to happen. Although i'm not a production operator, I install server solutions in the pre-press industry and i've heard nothing but disappointment with regards to illustrator 9. Many of my customers have discontinued its use and gone back to version 8 just due to the production problems they've been experiencing. if this problem is only happening with illustrator 9, I would say it's not likely your netatalk configuration. Try doing the same operations with illustrator version 8 and see if the problem persists. if not, then it's very likely Illustrator 9, at which point, i'd suggest contacting Adobe to see if they have a fix. hope this helps. alan At 3:13$B8a8e(B -0500 3.22.01, Tom Barrons wrote: >Hi all, > >I could use some help. I just built a new fileserver for a mixed >Mac/Windows environment, I'm running netatalk and samba. This is only the >second such install I've done. My first one was a while ago and it's been >running great. I tried replicating the problem on my first install using the >same files, the first one does not have the problem. > >First machine I'm running Yellow Dog Linux Champion Server 1.1 with >netatalk-1.4b2+asun2.1.3, from an RPM provided with the distrobution. The >new machine having the problem is RedHat 7 also with >netatalk-1.4b2+asun2.1.3, this RPM was from RedHat's site. The two machines >are on different networks in different buildings. > >This art department, all Macs, use Adobe Illustrator version 9. If a user >tries saving a file directly to the server as an EPS "occasionally" they get >kicked off the server and have to reconnect. They never have this problem >if they save the file locally and then drag copy it over the network, only >if they are saving it from within Illustrator. > >I don't see this as being to big of a problem myself but I can't seem to get >them in the habit of doing it this way and not complaining about it. This >didn't used to happen on their old NT server so of course they think the >Linux one is broken and I want to prove otherwise. Everything else on the >Samba/Windows end is working on this new install. > >After skimming through archives of this list I suspected the CRLF >translation and I believe I correctly disabled that by adding -nocrlf to >afpd.conf? I restarted netatlk but the problem persists. > >Since I didn't compile this myself I also wonder about a difference there, >and how could I check for this? Could this still be something in netatalk >or a config somewhere, or should I be looking elsewhere on the server or the >network? > >Thanks for any help. >Tom ---- there's nothing like the undying sense of reliability provided by modern technology. ---- alan premselaar alien@12inch.com www.12inch.com From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Thu Mar 22 19:17:41 2001 Return-Path: Received: from easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.26]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id TAA24261 for ; Thu, 22 Mar 2001 19:17:41 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id TAA27271 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Thu, 22 Mar 2001 19:17:41 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id TAA27261 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Thu, 22 Mar 2001 19:17:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from c017.sfo.cp.net (c017-h021.c017.sfo.cp.net [209.228.12.235]) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with SMTP id TAA27241 for ; Thu, 22 Mar 2001 19:17:39 -0500 (EST) Received: (cpmta 19960 invoked from network); 22 Mar 2001 16:17:38 -0800 Received: from www.waaaow.com (HELO ?192.168.0.50?) (207.171.221.217) by smtp.terrascope.com (209.228.12.235) with SMTP; 22 Mar 2001 16:17:38 -0800 X-Sent: 23 Mar 2001 00:17:38 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 16:20:08 -0800 To: Chad Cunningham From: Walt Reed Subject: Re: zone router Cc: netatalk-admins@umich.edu Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-2022-jp" ; format="flowed" hey chad, i may be way off base here, but don't appletalk routers need to have a separate interface for each zone? i used one back in the day that routed between 2 floors (i believe it was a farallon pathfinder) and you basically hooked one end to each network, or zone. all the machines on each network had to physically reside in the same area. does you old sun box have more than one ethernet card? i noticed your linux box does not. if the sun has more than one ethernet card, (or maybe not, since i don't know the capabilities of CAP) you should look into getting some more for the linux box. besides, you'll get better throughput. w >As far as I know, there are no other appletalk routers. Is there any way >to scan for it? But when I shut down the netatalk or CAP server, the macs >say appletalk is gone and register no zones, so I would think that would >mean that there isn't another router running, right? > >This is very strange... > >On Thu, 22 Mar 2001, alan premselaar wrote: > >> do you have any other appletalk routers on your network? >> >> when the macs see the zones in the chooser (after clicking on appleshare), >> what zone(s) does the linux server show up in? >> >> more than likely you've got another appletalk router somewhere on your >> network and it has conflicting zone information. >> >> alan >> >> At 1:12$B8a8e(B -0500 3.22.01, Chad Cunningham wrote: >> >Hi, >> > >> >I had rebooted them, didn't do anything. I tried opening the appletalk >> >control panel and switching the appletalk connection off of ethernet and >> >then back. This gave me all the zones, but for some reason every computer >> >was in every zone... Also, after about 2 minutes, the mac would lose all >> >it's zones and say that the appletalk network has become unavailable... >> > >> >On Thu, 22 Mar 2001, alan premselaar wrote: >> > >> > > Chad, >> > > >> > > Once you make a change to your appletalk network like that, you'll >> >need to >> > > either a) reboot your macs, or b) open up the appletalk control panel on >> > > each of them... at which point it should tell you that your appletalk >> > > network setting is no longer valid and re-probe the ethernet device for >> > > zones, etc. In some cases, i've had to switch the appletalk from the >> > > ethernet device to the printerport (or something else) and >>back before it >> > > would recognize the new zones. >> > > >> > > alan >> > > >> > > At 11:26$B8aA0(B -0500 3.22.01, Chad Cunningham wrote: >> > > >Hi, >> > > > >> > > >I am trying to replace a Solaris box running CAP with a linux >>box running >> > > >netatalk. I can't seem to get zones to work properly under the new >> > > >netatalk setup. My atalkd.conf looks like >> > > > >> > > >eth0 -router -phase 2 -net 0-65534 -addr 257.249 -zone >>"Staff" -zone "RTL" >> > > >-zone "Faculty" -zone "EMPT" -zone "Public" >> > > > >> > > >It seems happy with this, the atalkd.conf doesn't get >>overwritten when I >> > > >start up and I can use getzones and they all show up. >>However, none of the >> > > >macs recognize any zones. Any idea why this might be? >> > > > >> > > > -- >> > > > >> > > >Chad Cunningham >> > > >ccunning@math.ohio-state.edu >> > > > >> > > >"Well, once again my friend, we find that science is a two-headed >> >beast. One >> > > >head is nice, it gives us aspirin and other modern >>conveniences,...but the >> > > >other head of science is bad! Oh beware the other head of science, >> >Arthur, it >> > > >bites!" >> > > >> > > ---- >> > > there's nothing like the undying sense of reliability >>provided by modern >> > > technology. >> > > ---- >> > > alan premselaar >> > > alien@12inch.com >> > > www.12inch.com >> > > >> > >> >-- >> > >> >Chad Cunningham >> >ccunning@math.ohio-state.edu >> > >> >"Well, once again my friend, we find that science is a two-headed >>beast. One >> >head is nice, it gives us aspirin and other modern conveniences,...but the >> >other head of science is bad! Oh beware the other head of >>science, Arthur, it >> >bites!" >> >> ---- >> there's nothing like the undying sense of reliability provided by modern >> technology. >> ---- >> alan premselaar >> alien@12inch.com >> www.12inch.com >> > >-- > >Chad Cunningham >ccunning@math.ohio-state.edu > >"Well, once again my friend, we find that science is a two-headed beast. One >head is nice, it gives us aspirin and other modern conveniences,...but the >other head of science is bad! Oh beware the other head of science, Arthur, it >bites!" From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Thu Mar 22 19:51:52 2001 Return-Path: Received: from funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.27]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id TAA25125 for ; Thu, 22 Mar 2001 19:51:52 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id TAA28448 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Thu, 22 Mar 2001 19:51:45 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id TAA28422 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Thu, 22 Mar 2001 19:51:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from c017.sfo.cp.net (c017-h014.c017.sfo.cp.net [209.228.12.228]) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with SMTP id TAA28368 for ; Thu, 22 Mar 2001 19:51:43 -0500 (EST) Received: (cpmta 22631 invoked from network); 22 Mar 2001 16:51:49 -0800 Received: from www.waaaow.com (HELO ?192.168.0.50?) (207.171.221.217) by smtp.terrascope.com (209.228.12.228) with SMTP; 22 Mar 2001 16:51:49 -0800 X-Sent: 23 Mar 2001 00:51:49 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 16:54:20 -0800 To: Chad Cunningham From: Walt Reed Subject: Re: zone router Cc: netatalk-admins@umich.edu Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" hate to reply to my own posts but i looked into it a bit more and saw that your -router may route between appletalk networks on a single interface, but i beleive you need something to "seed" the networks (such as the CAP machine) before this will work. with multiple interfaces (let's face it, you can get them for $15-$20 on an intel box) and the -seed option i think your problems would disappear. w ?hey chad, i may be way off base here, but don't appletalk routers need to have a separate interface for each zone? i used one back in the day that routed between 2 floors (i believe it was a farallon pathfinder) and you basically hooked one end to each network, or zone. all the machines on each network had to physically reside in the same area. does you old sun box have more than one ethernet card? i noticed your linux box does not. if the sun has more than one ethernet card, (or maybe not, since i don't know the capabilities of CAP) you should look into getting some more for the linux box. besides, you'll get better throughput. w >As far as I know, there are no other appletalk routers. Is there any way >to scan for it? But when I shut down the netatalk or CAP server, the macs >say appletalk is gone and register no zones, so I would think that would >mean that there isn't another router running, right? > >This is very strange... > >On Thu, 22 Mar 2001, alan premselaar wrote: > >> do you have any other appletalk routers on your network? >> >> when the macs see the zones in the chooser (after clicking on appleshare), >> what zone(s) does the linux server show up in? >> >> more than likely you've got another appletalk router somewhere on your >> network and it has conflicting zone information. >> >> alan >> >> At 1:12?? -0500 3.22.01, Chad Cunningham wrote: >> >Hi, >> > >> >I had rebooted them, didn't do anything. I tried opening the appletalk >> >control panel and switching the appletalk connection off of ethernet and >> >then back. This gave me all the zones, but for some reason every computer >> >was in every zone... Also, after about 2 minutes, the mac would lose all >> >it's zones and say that the appletalk network has become unavailable... >> > >> >On Thu, 22 Mar 2001, alan premselaar wrote: >> > >> > > Chad, >> > > >> > > Once you make a change to your appletalk network like that, you'll >> >need to >> > > either a) reboot your macs, or b) open up the appletalk >>control panel on >> > > each of them... at which point it should tell you that your appletalk >> > > network setting is no longer valid and re-probe the ethernet device for >> > > zones, etc. In some cases, i've had to switch the appletalk from the >> > > ethernet device to the printerport (or something else) and >>back before it >> > > would recognize the new zones. >> > > >> > > alan >> > > >> > > At 11:26?? -0500 3.22.01, Chad Cunningham wrote: >> > > >Hi, >> > > > >> > > >I am trying to replace a Solaris box running CAP with a >>linux box running >> > > >netatalk. I can't seem to get zones to work properly under the new >> > > >netatalk setup. My atalkd.conf looks like >> > > > >> > > >eth0 -router -phase 2 -net 0-65534 -addr 257.249 -zone >>"Staff" -zone "RTL" >> > > >-zone "Faculty" -zone "EMPT" -zone "Public" >> > > > >> > > >It seems happy with this, the atalkd.conf doesn't get >>overwritten when I >> > > >start up and I can use getzones and they all show up. >>However, none of the >> > > >macs recognize any zones. Any idea why this might be? >> > > > >> > > > -- >> > > > >> > > >Chad Cunningham >> > > >ccunning@math.ohio-state.edu >> > > > >> > > >"Well, once again my friend, we find that science is a two-headed >> >beast. One >> > > >head is nice, it gives us aspirin and other modern >>conveniences,...but the >> > > >other head of science is bad! Oh beware the other head of science, >> >Arthur, it >> > > >bites!" >> > > >> > > ---- >> > > there's nothing like the undying sense of reliability >>provided by modern >> > > technology. >> > > ---- >> > > alan premselaar >> > > alien@12inch.com >> > > www.12inch.com >> > > >> > >> >-- >> > >> >Chad Cunningham >> >ccunning@math.ohio-state.edu >> > >> >"Well, once again my friend, we find that science is a >>two-headed beast. One >> >head is nice, it gives us aspirin and other modern conveniences,...but the >> >other head of science is bad! Oh beware the other head of >>science, Arthur, it >> >bites!" >> >> ---- >> there's nothing like the undying sense of reliability provided by modern >> technology. >> ---- >> alan premselaar >> alien@12inch.com >> www.12inch.com >> > >-- > >Chad Cunningham >ccunning@math.ohio-state.edu > >"Well, once again my friend, we find that science is a two-headed beast. One >head is nice, it gives us aspirin and other modern conveniences,...but the >other head of science is bad! Oh beware the other head of science, Arthur, it >bites!" From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Thu Mar 22 20:02:32 2001 Return-Path: Received: from kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.25]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id UAA25276 for ; Thu, 22 Mar 2001 20:02:32 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id UAA03308 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Thu, 22 Mar 2001 20:02:32 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id UAA03289 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Thu, 22 Mar 2001 20:02:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from mathserv.math.ohio-state.edu (mathserv.math.ohio-state.edu [128.146.111.31]) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id UAA03272 for ; Thu, 22 Mar 2001 20:02:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from math.ohio-state.edu (math.ohio-state.edu [128.146.111.30]) by mathserv.math.ohio-state.edu (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id f2N12UR11578; Thu, 22 Mar 2001 20:02:30 -0500 Received: from localhost (ccunning@localhost) by math.ohio-state.edu (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f2N12U518392; Thu, 22 Mar 2001 20:02:30 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 20:02:29 -0500 (EST) From: Chad Cunningham To: Walt Reed cc: Subject: Re: zone router In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I'm confused :) What would the function of the second nic be? We actually have a second one in the machine, it's just not doing anything. We have two subnets, however all the macs are in one subnet as the server. I've not found a good explanation of appletalk networking, so I think I'm missing what the function of the second nic would be and how it should be configured. Cap is happy with just 1 nic and multiple zones, but I wanted to move to netatalk because cap doesn't handle resource forks very well. On Thu, 22 Mar 2001, Walt Reed wrote: > hate to reply to my own posts but i looked into it a bit more and saw > that your -router may route between appletalk networks on a single > interface, but i beleive you need something to "seed" the networks > (such as the CAP machine) before this will work. with multiple > interfaces (let's face it, you can get them for $15-$20 on an intel > box) and the -seed option i think your problems would disappear. > > w > > ?hey chad, > > i may be way off base here, but don't appletalk routers need to have > a separate interface for each zone? i used one back in the day that > routed between 2 floors (i believe it was a farallon pathfinder) and > you basically hooked one end to each network, or zone. all the > machines on each network had to physically reside in the same area. > does you old sun box have more than one ethernet card? i noticed > your linux box does not. if the sun has more than one ethernet card, > (or maybe not, since i don't know the capabilities of CAP) you should > look into getting some more for the linux box. besides, you'll get > better throughput. > > w > > > >As far as I know, there are no other appletalk routers. Is there any way > >to scan for it? But when I shut down the netatalk or CAP server, the macs > >say appletalk is gone and register no zones, so I would think that would > >mean that there isn't another router running, right? > > > >This is very strange... > > > >On Thu, 22 Mar 2001, alan premselaar wrote: > > > >> do you have any other appletalk routers on your network? > >> > >> when the macs see the zones in the chooser (after clicking on appleshare), > >> what zone(s) does the linux server show up in? > >> > >> more than likely you've got another appletalk router somewhere on your > >> network and it has conflicting zone information. > >> > >> alan > >> > >> At 1:12?? -0500 3.22.01, Chad Cunningham wrote: > >> >Hi, > >> > > >> >I had rebooted them, didn't do anything. I tried opening the appletalk > >> >control panel and switching the appletalk connection off of ethernet and > >> >then back. This gave me all the zones, but for some reason every computer > >> >was in every zone... Also, after about 2 minutes, the mac would lose all > >> >it's zones and say that the appletalk network has become unavailable... > >> > > >> >On Thu, 22 Mar 2001, alan premselaar wrote: > >> > > >> > > Chad, > >> > > > >> > > Once you make a change to your appletalk network like that, you'll > >> >need to > >> > > either a) reboot your macs, or b) open up the appletalk > >>control panel on > >> > > each of them... at which point it should tell you that your appletalk > >> > > network setting is no longer valid and re-probe the ethernet device for > >> > > zones, etc. In some cases, i've had to switch the appletalk from the > >> > > ethernet device to the printerport (or something else) and > >>back before it > >> > > would recognize the new zones. > >> > > > >> > > alan > >> > > > >> > > At 11:26?? -0500 3.22.01, Chad Cunningham wrote: > >> > > >Hi, > >> > > > > >> > > >I am trying to replace a Solaris box running CAP with a > >>linux box running > >> > > >netatalk. I can't seem to get zones to work properly under the new > >> > > >netatalk setup. My atalkd.conf looks like > >> > > > > >> > > >eth0 -router -phase 2 -net 0-65534 -addr 257.249 -zone > >>"Staff" -zone "RTL" > >> > > >-zone "Faculty" -zone "EMPT" -zone "Public" > >> > > > > >> > > >It seems happy with this, the atalkd.conf doesn't get > >>overwritten when I > >> > > >start up and I can use getzones and they all show up. > >>However, none of the > >> > > >macs recognize any zones. Any idea why this might be? > >> > > > > >> > > > -- > >> > > > > >> > > >Chad Cunningham > >> > > >ccunning@math.ohio-state.edu > >> > > > > >> > > >"Well, once again my friend, we find that science is a two-headed > >> >beast. One > >> > > >head is nice, it gives us aspirin and other modern > >>conveniences,...but the > >> > > >other head of science is bad! Oh beware the other head of science, > >> >Arthur, it > >> > > >bites!" > >> > > > >> > > ---- > >> > > there's nothing like the undying sense of reliability > >>provided by modern > >> > > technology. > >> > > ---- > >> > > alan premselaar > >> > > alien@12inch.com > >> > > www.12inch.com > >> > > > >> > > >> >-- > >> > > >> >Chad Cunningham > >> >ccunning@math.ohio-state.edu > >> > > >> >"Well, once again my friend, we find that science is a > >>two-headed beast. One > >> >head is nice, it gives us aspirin and other modern conveniences,...but the > >> >other head of science is bad! Oh beware the other head of > >>science, Arthur, it > >> >bites!" > >> > >> ---- > >> there's nothing like the undying sense of reliability provided by modern > >> technology. > >> ---- > >> alan premselaar > >> alien@12inch.com > >> www.12inch.com > >> > > > >-- > > > >Chad Cunningham > >ccunning@math.ohio-state.edu > > > >"Well, once again my friend, we find that science is a two-headed beast. One > >head is nice, it gives us aspirin and other modern conveniences,...but the > >other head of science is bad! Oh beware the other head of science, Arthur, it > >bites!" > -- Chad Cunningham ccunning@math.ohio-state.edu "Well, once again my friend, we find that science is a two-headed beast. One head is nice, it gives us aspirin and other modern conveniences,...but the other head of science is bad! Oh beware the other head of science, Arthur, it bites!" From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Thu Mar 22 20:26:20 2001 Return-Path: Received: from funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.27]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id UAA26211 for ; Thu, 22 Mar 2001 20:26:20 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id UAA07448 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Thu, 22 Mar 2001 20:26:12 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id UAA07426 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Thu, 22 Mar 2001 20:26:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from c017.sfo.cp.net (c017-h020.c017.sfo.cp.net [209.228.12.234]) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with SMTP id UAA07380 for ; Thu, 22 Mar 2001 20:26:10 -0500 (EST) Received: (cpmta 13530 invoked from network); 22 Mar 2001 17:26:17 -0800 Received: from www.waaaow.com (HELO ?192.168.0.50?) (207.171.221.217) by smtp.terrascope.com (209.228.12.234) with SMTP; 22 Mar 2001 17:26:17 -0800 X-Sent: 23 Mar 2001 01:26:17 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 17:28:47 -0800 To: netatalk-admins@umich.edu From: Walt Reed Subject: Re: zone router Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" well, the second nic would make your linux box a router, in the true sense. think of a zone as a physical network. you don't just separate macs into zones, like you would pc's into windows workgroups. instead zones are a way to allow machines to talk to each other although they are physically separate (such as on another floor, or another building). CAP may have a different way of seeding, the configs would probably tell you a lot. you'll notice that the -seed option only works with multiple interfaces, in this case a nic card. have you tried using both machines on the network @ the same time? i'd be interested in what happens. my thinking is that the CAP machine would seed your zones, and netatalk might use them better. just another option. w >I'm confused :) What would the function of the second nic be? We actually >have a second one in the machine, it's just not doing anything. We have >two subnets, however all the macs are in one subnet as the server. > >I've not found a good explanation of appletalk networking, so I think I'm >missing what the function of the second nic would be and how it should >be configured. Cap is happy with just 1 nic and multiple zones, but I wanted >to move to netatalk because cap doesn't handle resource forks very well. > >On Thu, 22 Mar 2001, Walt Reed wrote: > >> hate to reply to my own posts but i looked into it a bit more and saw >> that your -router may route between appletalk networks on a single >> interface, but i beleive you need something to "seed" the networks >> (such as the CAP machine) before this will work. with multiple >> interfaces (let's face it, you can get them for $15-$20 on an intel >> box) and the -seed option i think your problems would disappear. >> >> w >> >> ?hey chad, >> >> i may be way off base here, but don't appletalk routers need to have >> a separate interface for each zone? i used one back in the day that >> routed between 2 floors (i believe it was a farallon pathfinder) and >> you basically hooked one end to each network, or zone. all the >> machines on each network had to physically reside in the same area. >> does you old sun box have more than one ethernet card? i noticed >> your linux box does not. if the sun has more than one ethernet card, >> (or maybe not, since i don't know the capabilities of CAP) you should >> look into getting some more for the linux box. besides, you'll get >> better throughput. >> >> w >> >> >> >As far as I know, there are no other appletalk routers. Is there any way >> >to scan for it? But when I shut down the netatalk or CAP server, the macs >> >say appletalk is gone and register no zones, so I would think that would >> >mean that there isn't another router running, right? >> > >> >This is very strange... >> > >> >On Thu, 22 Mar 2001, alan premselaar wrote: >> > >> >> do you have any other appletalk routers on your network? >> >> >> >> when the macs see the zones in the chooser (after clicking on >>appleshare), >> >> what zone(s) does the linux server show up in? >> >> >> >> more than likely you've got another appletalk router somewhere on your >> >> network and it has conflicting zone information. >> >> >> >> alan >> >> >> >> At 1:12?? -0500 3.22.01, Chad Cunningham wrote: >> >> >Hi, >> >> > >> >> >I had rebooted them, didn't do anything. I tried opening the appletalk >> >> >control panel and switching the appletalk connection off of >>ethernet and >> >> >then back. This gave me all the zones, but for some reason >>every computer >> >> >was in every zone... Also, after about 2 minutes, the mac >>would lose all >> >> >it's zones and say that the appletalk network has become >>unavailable... >> >> > >> >> >On Thu, 22 Mar 2001, alan premselaar wrote: >> >> > >> >> > > Chad, >> >> > > >> >> > > Once you make a change to your appletalk network like >>that, you'll >> >> >need to >> >> > > either a) reboot your macs, or b) open up the appletalk >> >>control panel on >> >> > > each of them... at which point it should tell you that >>your appletalk >> >> > > network setting is no longer valid and re-probe the >>ethernet device for >> >> > > zones, etc. In some cases, i've had to switch the >>appletalk from the >> >> > > ethernet device to the printerport (or something else) and >> >>back before it >> >> > > would recognize the new zones. >> >> > > >> >> > > alan >> >> > > >> >> > > At 11:26?? -0500 3.22.01, Chad Cunningham wrote: >> >> > > >Hi, >> >> > > > >> >> > > >I am trying to replace a Solaris box running CAP with a >> >>linux box running >> >> > > >netatalk. I can't seem to get zones to work properly under the new >> >> > > >netatalk setup. My atalkd.conf looks like >> >> > > > >> >> > > >eth0 -router -phase 2 -net 0-65534 -addr 257.249 -zone >> >>"Staff" -zone "RTL" >> >> > > >-zone "Faculty" -zone "EMPT" -zone "Public" >> >> > > > >> >> > > >It seems happy with this, the atalkd.conf doesn't get >> >>overwritten when I >> >> > > >start up and I can use getzones and they all show up. >> >>However, none of the >> >> > > >macs recognize any zones. Any idea why this might be? >> >> > > > >> >> > > > -- >> >> > > > >> >> > > >Chad Cunningham >> >> > > >ccunning@math.ohio-state.edu >> >> > > > >> >> > > >"Well, once again my friend, we find that science is a two-headed >> >> >beast. One >> >> > > >head is nice, it gives us aspirin and other modern >> >>conveniences,...but the >> >> > > >other head of science is bad! Oh beware the other head of science, >> >> >Arthur, it >> >> > > >bites!" >> >> > > >> >> > > ---- >> >> > > there's nothing like the undying sense of reliability >> >>provided by modern >> >> > > technology. >> >> > > ---- >> >> > > alan premselaar >> >> > > alien@12inch.com >> >> > > www.12inch.com >> >> > > >> >> > >> >> >-- >> >> > >> >> >Chad Cunningham >> >> >ccunning@math.ohio-state.edu >> >> > >> >> >"Well, once again my friend, we find that science is a >> >>two-headed beast. One >> >> >head is nice, it gives us aspirin and other modern >>conveniences,...but the >> >> >other head of science is bad! Oh beware the other head of >> >>science, Arthur, it >> >> >bites!" >> >> >> >> ---- >> >> there's nothing like the undying sense of reliability >>provided by modern >> >> technology. >> >> ---- >> >> alan premselaar >> >> alien@12inch.com >> >> www.12inch.com >> >> >> > >> >-- >> > >> >Chad Cunningham >> >ccunning@math.ohio-state.edu >> > >> >"Well, once again my friend, we find that science is a two-headed >>beast. One >> >head is nice, it gives us aspirin and other modern conveniences,...but the >> >other head of science is bad! Oh beware the other head of >>science, Arthur, it >> >bites!" >> > >-- > >Chad Cunningham >ccunning@math.ohio-state.edu > >"Well, once again my friend, we find that science is a two-headed beast. One >head is nice, it gives us aspirin and other modern conveniences,...but the >other head of science is bad! Oh beware the other head of science, Arthur, it >bites!" From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Thu Mar 22 22:38:14 2001 Return-Path: Received: from kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.25]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id WAA00078 for ; Thu, 22 Mar 2001 22:38:13 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id WAA24126 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Thu, 22 Mar 2001 22:38:13 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id WAA24110 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Thu, 22 Mar 2001 22:38:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from sss.pgh.pa.us (sss.pgh.pa.us [209.114.132.154]) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id WAA24074 for ; Thu, 22 Mar 2001 22:38:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from sss2.sss.pgh.pa.us (tgl@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by sss.pgh.pa.us (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id f2N3c9616149; Thu, 22 Mar 2001 22:38:09 -0500 (EST) To: Chad Cunningham cc: netatalk-admins@umich.edu Subject: Re: zone router In-reply-to: References: Comments: In-reply-to Chad Cunningham message dated "Thu, 22 Mar 2001 20:02:29 -0500" Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 22:38:09 -0500 Message-ID: <16146.985318689@sss.pgh.pa.us> From: Tom Lane Chad Cunningham writes: > I've not found a good explanation of appletalk networking, There's a pretty good one at http://www.neon.com/atalk_routing.html (it's somewhat embellished with ads for their RouterCheck product, but well worth a read anyway). regards, tom lane From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Thu Mar 22 22:43:15 2001 Return-Path: Received: from easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.26]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id WAA00162 for ; Thu, 22 Mar 2001 22:43:15 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id WAA13699 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Thu, 22 Mar 2001 22:43:14 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id WAA13678 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Thu, 22 Mar 2001 22:43:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from abductee.12inch.com (smtp.visusmedia.com [38.241.102.2]) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id WAA13585 for ; Thu, 22 Mar 2001 22:43:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from [192.168.200.10] (sc-24-165-68-116.socal.rr.com [24.165.68.116]) by abductee.12inch.com (8.9.3/8.8.7) with ESMTP id TAA18846; Thu, 22 Mar 2001 19:50:10 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Macintosh Eudora Pro Version 4.2.1-J Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 19:38:17 -0800 To: Chad Cunningham , Walt Reed From: alan premselaar Subject: Re: zone router Cc: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-2022-jp" ; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Here's comment text taken out of the atalkd.conf file for netatalk-1.4.99-0.20001108mdk: # -seed only works if you have multi-interfaces. Any missing arguments are # automatically configured from the network. Note: lines can't actually be # split, tho it's a good idea. # # -router is like -seed but it allows single-interface routing. -dontroute # disables routing for the specified interface. # Basically, here's why you would want to perform "routing" on a single interface. Say you have multiple macs on one single subnet, but there's enough appletalk devices (printers, servers, clients, etc) broadcasting appletalk services to clutter your chooser. You could define multiple zones in a single subnet and have different devices broadcast in different zones accordingly. this is especially handy if you have printer spoolers set up for your printers, but don't want to "hide" the actual printer for specific reasons. with this method you could broadcast the actual printer in a zone ("Real Printer Zone" for example) and broadcast the spoolers in a different zone ("Print Spooler Zone" for another example) ... this cleans up the chooser really nicely. (as well, can be done for AFP services) you should read this: http://www.neon.com/atalk_routing.html for more detailed information regarding appletalk routing. alan At 8:02$B8a8e(B -0500 3.22.01, Chad Cunningham wrote: >I'm confused :) What would the function of the second nic be? We actually >have a second one in the machine, it's just not doing anything. We have >two subnets, however all the macs are in one subnet as the server. > >I've not found a good explanation of appletalk networking, so I think I'm >missing what the function of the second nic would be and how it should >be configured. Cap is happy with just 1 nic and multiple zones, but I wanted >to move to netatalk because cap doesn't handle resource forks very well. > >On Thu, 22 Mar 2001, Walt Reed wrote: > > > hate to reply to my own posts but i looked into it a bit more and saw > > that your -router may route between appletalk networks on a single > > interface, but i beleive you need something to "seed" the networks > > (such as the CAP machine) before this will work. with multiple > > interfaces (let's face it, you can get them for $15-$20 on an intel > > box) and the -seed option i think your problems would disappear. > > > > w > > > > ?hey chad, > > > > i may be way off base here, but don't appletalk routers need to have > > a separate interface for each zone? i used one back in the day that > > routed between 2 floors (i believe it was a farallon pathfinder) and > > you basically hooked one end to each network, or zone. all the > > machines on each network had to physically reside in the same area. > > does you old sun box have more than one ethernet card? i noticed > > your linux box does not. if the sun has more than one ethernet card, > > (or maybe not, since i don't know the capabilities of CAP) you should > > look into getting some more for the linux box. besides, you'll get > > better throughput. > > > > w > > > > > > >As far as I know, there are no other appletalk routers. Is there any way > > >to scan for it? But when I shut down the netatalk or CAP server, the macs > > >say appletalk is gone and register no zones, so I would think that would > > >mean that there isn't another router running, right? > > > > > >This is very strange... > > > > > >On Thu, 22 Mar 2001, alan premselaar wrote: > > > > > >> do you have any other appletalk routers on your network? > > >> > > >> when the macs see the zones in the chooser (after clicking on >appleshare), > > >> what zone(s) does the linux server show up in? > > >> > > >> more than likely you've got another appletalk router somewhere on your > > >> network and it has conflicting zone information. > > >> > > >> alan > > >> > > >> At 1:12?? -0500 3.22.01, Chad Cunningham wrote: > > >> >Hi, > > >> > > > >> >I had rebooted them, didn't do anything. I tried opening the >appletalk > > >> >control panel and switching the appletalk connection off of >ethernet and > > >> >then back. This gave me all the zones, but for some reason every >computer > > >> >was in every zone... Also, after about 2 minutes, the mac would >lose all > > >> >it's zones and say that the appletalk network has become >unavailable... > > >> > > > >> >On Thu, 22 Mar 2001, alan premselaar wrote: > > >> > > > >> > > Chad, > > >> > > > > >> > > Once you make a change to your appletalk network like that, >you'll > > >> >need to > > >> > > either a) reboot your macs, or b) open up the appletalk > > >>control panel on > > >> > > each of them... at which point it should tell you that your >appletalk > > >> > > network setting is no longer valid and re-probe the ethernet >device for > > >> > > zones, etc. In some cases, i've had to switch the appletalk >from the > > >> > > ethernet device to the printerport (or something else) and > > >>back before it > > >> > > would recognize the new zones. > > >> > > > > >> > > alan > > >> > > > > >> > > At 11:26?? -0500 3.22.01, Chad Cunningham wrote: > > >> > > >Hi, > > >> > > > > > >> > > >I am trying to replace a Solaris box running CAP with a > > >>linux box running > > >> > > >netatalk. I can't seem to get zones to work properly under >the new > > >> > > >netatalk setup. My atalkd.conf looks like > > >> > > > > > >> > > >eth0 -router -phase 2 -net 0-65534 -addr 257.249 -zone > > >>"Staff" -zone "RTL" > > >> > > >-zone "Faculty" -zone "EMPT" -zone "Public" > > >> > > > > > >> > > >It seems happy with this, the atalkd.conf doesn't get > > >>overwritten when I > > >> > > >start up and I can use getzones and they all show up. > > >>However, none of the > > >> > > >macs recognize any zones. Any idea why this might be? > > >> > > > > > >> > > > -- > > >> > > > > > >> > > >Chad Cunningham > > >> > > >ccunning@math.ohio-state.edu > > >> > > > > > >> > > >"Well, once again my friend, we find that science is a two-headed > > >> >beast. One > > >> > > >head is nice, it gives us aspirin and other modern > > >>conveniences,...but the > > >> > > >other head of science is bad! Oh beware the other head of >science, > > >> >Arthur, it > > >> > > >bites!" > > >> > > > > >> > > ---- > > >> > > there's nothing like the undying sense of reliability > > >>provided by modern > > >> > > technology. > > >> > > ---- > > >> > > alan premselaar > > >> > > alien@12inch.com > > >> > > www.12inch.com > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> >-- > > >> > > > >> >Chad Cunningham > > >> >ccunning@math.ohio-state.edu > > >> > > > >> >"Well, once again my friend, we find that science is a > > >>two-headed beast. One > > >> >head is nice, it gives us aspirin and other modern >conveniences,...but the > > >> >other head of science is bad! Oh beware the other head of > > >>science, Arthur, it > > >> >bites!" > > >> > > >> ---- > > >> there's nothing like the undying sense of reliability provided >by modern > > >> technology. > > >> ---- > > >> alan premselaar > > >> alien@12inch.com > > >> www.12inch.com > > >> > > > > > >-- > > > > > >Chad Cunningham > > >ccunning@math.ohio-state.edu > > > > > >"Well, once again my friend, we find that science is a two-headed >beast. One > > >head is nice, it gives us aspirin and other modern conveniences,...but the > > >other head of science is bad! Oh beware the other head of science, >Arthur, it > > >bites!" > > > >-- > >Chad Cunningham >ccunning@math.ohio-state.edu > >"Well, once again my friend, we find that science is a two-headed beast. One >head is nice, it gives us aspirin and other modern conveniences,...but the >other head of science is bad! Oh beware the other head of science, Arthur, it >bites!" ---- there's nothing like the undying sense of reliability provided by modern technology. ---- alan premselaar alien@12inch.com www.12inch.com From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Fri Mar 23 00:59:51 2001 Return-Path: Received: from funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.27]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id AAA03019 for ; Fri, 23 Mar 2001 00:59:51 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id AAA14714 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Fri, 23 Mar 2001 00:59:44 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id AAA14692 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Fri, 23 Mar 2001 00:59:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.mathit.co.jp (dns.mathit.co.jp [211.124.215.50]) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id AAA14623 for ; Fri, 23 Mar 2001 00:59:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from [192.168.1.102] (mt266.mathit.co.jp [192.168.1.102]) by mail.mathit.co.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 165959E for ; Fri, 23 Mar 2001 14:59:47 +0900 (JST) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: hitoshi@192.168.1.10 X-Mailer: Macintosh Eudora Version 4.3.2-J Message-Id: Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 14:59:44 +0900 To: netatalk-admins@umich.edu From: MATSUDA Hitoshi Subject: Multiple Netatalk servers Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-2022-jp" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi, all I met strange problem. We had been using 3 Linux boxes with Netatalk (RedHat Linux 6.1 with 2.2.13 kernel and Netatalk 1.5pre3). Recently, we added one more Linux box with same configuration as others. Now we call Server-A, Server-B and Server-C which had been running, and Server-D which added recently. When we try to mount Server-B after Server-D already be mounted, Maicntosh says that "Server-B is already mounted!". When we try to mount Server-D after Server-B already be mounted, Macintosh says "Server-D already mounted!". Other combinations has no trouble. We replaced Server-D for another Linux box in order to investigate whether Server-D has trouble or not. Same trouble happens. Does anyone have met this kind of problem ? MATSUDA Hitoshi Mathit Communications,Inc -- +++ $BM-8B2q>ED?N;V!J(BMATSUDA Hitoshi$B!K(B Tel 072-850-2908 Fax 072-850-2710 e-mail:hitoshi@mathit.com / hitoshi@mathit.co.jp URL:http://www.mathit.com/ http://www.mathit.co.jp/ From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Fri Mar 23 02:17:47 2001 Return-Path: Received: from funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.27]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id CAA04505 for ; Fri, 23 Mar 2001 02:17:47 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id CAA23801 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Fri, 23 Mar 2001 02:17:39 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id CAA23772 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Fri, 23 Mar 2001 02:17:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from neuman.interaccess.com (from.interaccess.com [207.208.131.20]) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id CAA23736 for ; Fri, 23 Mar 2001 02:17:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from [192.168.1.118] (a10.240.208.207.ded25.interaccess.com [207.208.240.10]) by neuman.interaccess.com (8.10.2/8.10.2) with ESMTP id f2N7HjU17977 for ; Fri, 23 Mar 2001 01:17:45 -0600 (CST) User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 01:16:55 -0600 Subject: Re: Multiple Netatalk servers From: "Bruce A. Burdick, Jr." To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit This is just speculation (about something I don't completely understand myself). Have you copied the atalk.conf files between systems? Do B and D have the same parameters in atalk.conf? Perhaps this may be the source of their apparent identity sharing. If anyone knows this to be a misconception, please debunk it swiftly! I'd really like to clarify my own understanding of this, too! But if it helps, glad my hunch worked! -B... > From: MATSUDA Hitoshi > Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 14:59:44 +0900 > To: netatalk-admins@umich.edu > Subject: Multiple Netatalk servers > Resent-From: netatalk-admins@umich.edu > Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 01:04:56 -0500 (EST) > > Hi, all > > I met strange problem. > We had been using 3 Linux boxes with Netatalk (RedHat Linux 6.1 with > 2.2.13 kernel and Netatalk 1.5pre3). > Recently, we added one more Linux box with same configuration as others. > > Now we call Server-A, Server-B and Server-C which had been running, and > Server-D which added recently. > > When we try to mount Server-B after Server-D already be mounted, Maicntosh > says that "Server-B is already mounted!". When we try to mount Server-D > after Server-B already be mounted, Macintosh says "Server-D already > mounted!". Other combinations has no trouble. > > We replaced Server-D for another Linux box in order to investigate whether > Server-D has trouble or not. Same trouble happens. > > Does anyone have met this kind of problem ? > > > MATSUDA Hitoshi > Mathit Communications,Inc > -- > > +++ > ?????????? > ?573-1145 > ??????????????-? > ?????MATSUDA Hitoshi? > Tel 072-850-2908 > Fax 072-850-2710 > e-mail:hitoshi@mathit.com / hitoshi@mathit.co.jp > URL:http://www.mathit.com/ > http://www.mathit.co.jp/ > From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Fri Mar 23 03:15:46 2001 Return-Path: Received: from kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.25]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id DAA05433 for ; Fri, 23 Mar 2001 03:15:45 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id DAA07005 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Fri, 23 Mar 2001 03:15:45 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id DAA06997 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Fri, 23 Mar 2001 03:15:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.euc.de (mail.euc.de [195.63.193.18]) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id DAA06978 for ; Fri, 23 Mar 2001 03:15:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from euc.de (euc-punktum.euc.de [195.63.193.116]) by mail.euc.de (8.9.3/8.9.3/SuSE Linux 8.9.3-0.1) with ESMTP id JAA18919; Fri, 23 Mar 2001 09:11:46 +0100 Message-ID: <3ABB0541.DEE7F02A@euc.de> Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 09:11:44 +0100 From: Mac Conin Organization: EUC Online Service GmbH X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Tom Barrons CC: netatalk-admins@umich.edu Subject: Re: Illustrator EPS files References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu id DAA05433 We have some customers using Illu 9.0 (plus the availaable patches). It seems that Illustrator 9 has some significant bugs while storing and exporting files. Our customer stepped back to Version 8 and everthing works fine. Tom Barrons wrote: > > Hi all, > > I could use some help. I just built a new fileserver for a mixed > Mac/Windows environment, I'm running netatalk and samba. This is only the > second such install I've done. My first one was a while ago and it's been > running great. I tried replicating the problem on my first install using the > same files, the first one does not have the problem. > > First machine I'm running Yellow Dog Linux Champion Server 1.1 with > netatalk-1.4b2+asun2.1.3, from an RPM provided with the distrobution. The > new machine having the problem is RedHat 7 also with > netatalk-1.4b2+asun2.1.3, this RPM was from RedHat's site. The two machines > are on different networks in different buildings. > > This art department, all Macs, use Adobe Illustrator version 9. If a user > tries saving a file directly to the server as an EPS "occasionally" they get > kicked off the server and have to reconnect. They never have this problem > if they save the file locally and then drag copy it over the network, only > if they are saving it from within Illustrator. > > I don't see this as being to big of a problem myself but I can't seem to get > them in the habit of doing it this way and not complaining about it. This > didn't used to happen on their old NT server so of course they think the > Linux one is broken and I want to prove otherwise. Everything else on the > Samba/Windows end is working on this new install. > > After skimming through archives of this list I suspected the CRLF > translation and I believe I correctly disabled that by adding -nocrlf to > afpd.conf? I restarted netatlk but the problem persists. > > Since I didn't compile this myself I also wonder about a difference there, > and how could I check for this? Could this still be something in netatalk > or a config somewhere, or should I be looking elsewhere on the server or the > network? > > Thanks for any help. > Tom -- --schnipp-- mit freundlichen grüssen ----------------------------------------------------------- Mac Conin EUC Online Service GmbH Geschäftsführer Taubengasse 9 mconin@euc.de D 50676 Koeln http://www.euc.de HRB Köln 32038 tel : +49-221-923 27 33 fax : +49-221-239 651 ----------------------------------------------------------- EUC sponsort Clean up Cologne - eine Iniative der IHK Köln, der Abfallwirtschaftsbetriebe Köln (AWB) und dem Grünflächenamt der Stadt Köln. http://www.clean-up-cologne.de From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Fri Mar 23 04:52:45 2001 Return-Path: Received: from kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.25]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id EAA06871 for ; Fri, 23 Mar 2001 04:52:45 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id EAA05046 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Fri, 23 Mar 2001 04:52:45 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id EAA05037 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Fri, 23 Mar 2001 04:52:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp-ft3.fr.colt.net (smtp-ft3.fr.colt.net [213.41.78.27]) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id EAA05015 for ; Fri, 23 Mar 2001 04:52:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from gpagnard (access-129.81.rev.fr.colt.net [213.41.81.129]) by smtp-ft3.fr.colt.net with SMTP id f2N9t7J29723 for ; Fri, 23 Mar 2001 10:55:08 +0100 Message-ID: <005601c0b37f$fca8bff0$190200c0@gpagnard> From: "Guillaume" To: Subject: Success: Compiling netatalk-1.4b2+asun2.1.4 with pam and dhx under RH7 Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 10:59:44 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0053_01C0B388.5E191480" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 C'est un message de format MIME en plusieurs parties. ------=_NextPart_000_0053_01C0B388.5E191480 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, I encounter a lot of troubles when I tried to do a rpm based install of = Netatalk (netatalk-1.4b2+asun2.1.4) on my RedHat 7.0 server. Only guest login were OK...cause the rpm binary install do not support = pam, des, ssl by default :-( One night after, and reading this mailing archives, I did it = successfully. So here are my tips, hoping it will help someone one day! Compile your kernel with support for Appletalk DDP as a module. (I use a custom modified kernel based on 2.2.16 kernel instead of the = 2.2.16-22 from the RH7) If not installed, install the external libs: pwdb, pam, openssl easy install with RH rpms:=20 openssl-0.9.5a-14 openssl-devel-0.9.5a-14 pam-0.72-26 pwdb-0.61.1-1 also, check that you have the /usr/include/des.h on your box. Install the source from the rpm :=20 rpm -i netatalk-1.4b2+asun2.1.4-0.i386.rpm cd /usr/src/redhat/SOURCE (where rpm put it!) to unzip the source: tar -zxvf netatalk-1.4b2+asun2.1.4.tar.gz=20 cd netatalk-1.4b2+asun2.1.4 then edit the Makefile uncomment the install prefixes: SBINDIR=3D${INSTALL_PREFIX}/usr/sbin BINDIR=3D${INSTALL_PREFIX}/usr/bin LIBDIR=3D${INSTALL_PREFIX}/usr/lib RESDIR=3D${INSTALL_PREFIX}/usr/lib/atalk ETCDIR=3D${INSTALL_PREFIX}/etc/atalk INCDIR=3D${INSTALL_PREFIX}/usr/include MANDIR=3D${INSTALL_PREFIX}/usr/man set the crypto dir var to: CRYPTODIR=3D/usr/include/openssl ( this is the default location from the openssl rpm install) set the vars: DESDIR=3D/usr/lib PAMDIR=3D/usr and, (and also that's why I spend one night awake), edit the = etc/uams/Makefile and near the line 43, change: CRYPTOINCPATH=3D"-I${CRYPTODIR}/include = -I${CRYPTODIR}/include/openssl";\ by : CRYPTOINCPATH=3D"-I${CRYPTODIR}"; \ then run a : make depend; make && make install edit your /etc/atalk/afpd.conf and add the needed dso modules to the = uamlist of your config. then start the daemon: /etc/init.d/atalk start check the /var/log/messages for lines like: afpd[7991]: uam: uams_dhx.so loaded afpd[7991]: uam: uams_randnum.so loaded afpd[7991]: uam: "2-Way Randnum exchange" available afpd[7991]: uam: "Randnum exchange" available afpd[7991]: uam: "DHCAST128" available ... note that some of the dso are links: #ls -al /usr/lib/atalk/uams/ total 48 lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 11 mar 22 17:24 uams_clrtxt.so = -> uams_pam.so lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 15 mar 22 17:24 uams_dhx.so -> = uams_dhx_pam.so -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 8757 mar 22 17:24 uams_dhx_pam.so -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 5948 mar 22 17:24 = uams_dhx_passwd.so -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 3386 mar 22 17:24 uams_guest.so -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 6027 mar 22 17:24 uams_pam.so -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 4001 mar 22 17:24 uams_passwd.so -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 9286 mar 22 17:24 uams_randnum.so that's it, now my Mac clients are able to login with their Unix accounts = too, no need for .passwd files! a call to sleep(12*3600) needed now :-) Guillaume. ------=_NextPart_000_0053_01C0B388.5E191480 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi,
 
I encounter a lot of troubles when I = tried=20 to do a rpm based install of Netatalk = (netatalk-1.4b2+asun2.1.4) on my=20 RedHat 7.0 server.
 
Only guest login were OK...cause the = rpm binary=20 install do not support pam, des, ssl by default :-(
 
One night after, and reading this = mailing=20 archives, I did it successfully.
 
So here are my tips, hoping it will = help someone=20 one day!
 
Compile your kernel with support for = Appletalk DDP=20 as a module.
(I use a custom modified kernel based=20 on 2.2.16 kernel instead of the 2.2.16-22 from the = RH7)
 
If not installed, install the external = libs: pwdb,=20 pam, openssl
easy install with RH rpms: =
openssl-0.9.5a-14
openssl-devel-0.9.5a-14
pam-0.72-26
p= wdb-0.61.1-1
 
also, check that you have the = /usr/include/des.h on=20 your box.
 
Install the source from the rpm : =
rpm -i=20 netatalk-1.4b2+asun2.1.4-0.i386.rpm
 
cd /usr/src/redhat/SOURCE (where rpm = put=20 it!)
 
to unzip the source:
tar -zxvf = netatalk-1.4b2+asun2.1.4.tar.gz=20
cd = netatalk-1.4b2+asun2.1.4

then edit the Makefile
uncomment the install = prefixes:
SBINDIR=3D${INSTALL_PREFIX}/usr/sbin
BINDIR=3D${INSTALL_PREFI= X}/usr/bin
LIBDIR=3D${INSTALL_PREFIX}/usr/lib
RESDIR=3D${INSTALL_PR= EFIX}/usr/lib/atalk
ETCDIR=3D${INSTALL_PREFIX}/etc/atalk
INCDIR=3D$= {INSTALL_PREFIX}/usr/include
MANDIR=3D${INSTALL_PREFIX}/usr/man=
 
set the crypto dir var to:
CRYPTODIR=3D/usr/include/openssl
( this is the default location from the = openssl rpm=20 install)
 
set the vars:
DESDIR=3D/usr/lib
PAMDIR=3D/usr
 
and, (and also that's why I = spend one night=20 awake), edit the etc/uams/Makefile and near the line 43, = change:
CRYPTOINCPATH=3D"-I${CRYPTODIR}/include = -I${CRYPTODIR}/include/openssl";\
by :
CRYPTOINCPATH=3D"-I${CRYPTODIR}"; = \
then run a : make depend; make = && make=20 install
 
edit your /etc/atalk/afpd.conf = and  add the=20 needed dso modules to the uamlist of your config.
 
then start the daemon:
/etc/init.d/atalk start
 
check the /var/log/messages for lines=20 like:
 
afpd[7991]: uam: uams_dhx.so = loaded
afpd[7991]:=20 uam: uams_randnum.so loaded
afpd[7991]: uam: "2-Way Randnum exchange" = available
afpd[7991]: uam: "Randnum exchange" = available
afpd[7991]: uam:=20 "DHCAST128" available
...
 
note that some of the dso are = links:
#ls = -al /usr/lib/atalk/uams/
total=20 48
lrwxrwxrwx    1 root    =20 root           11 mar = 22 17:24=20 uams_clrtxt.so -> uams_pam.so
lrwxrwxrwx    1=20 root    =20 root           15 mar = 22 17:24=20 uams_dhx.so -> uams_dhx_pam.so
-rwxr-xr-x    1=20 root    =20 root         8757 mar 22 17:24=20 uams_dhx_pam.so
-rwxr-xr-x    1 = root    =20 root         5948 mar 22 17:24=20 uams_dhx_passwd.so
-rwxr-xr-x    1=20 root    =20 root         3386 mar 22 17:24=20 uams_guest.so
-rwxr-xr-x    1 = root    =20 root         6027 mar 22 17:24=20 uams_pam.so
-rwxr-xr-x    1 = root    =20 root         4001 mar 22 17:24=20 uams_passwd.so
-rwxr-xr-x    1 = root    =20 root         9286 mar 22 17:24=20 uams_randnum.so
that's it, now my Mac clients are able = to login=20 with their Unix accounts too, no need for .passwd files!
 
a call to sleep(12*3600) needed now=20 :-)
 
Guillaume.
 
 
 
------=_NextPart_000_0053_01C0B388.5E191480-- From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Fri Mar 23 08:09:38 2001 Return-Path: Received: from easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.26]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id IAA10004 for ; Fri, 23 Mar 2001 08:09:38 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id IAA05971 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Fri, 23 Mar 2001 08:09:38 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id IAA05959 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Fri, 23 Mar 2001 08:09:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from www.molbio.wisc.edu (www.molbio.wisc.edu [144.92.19.124]) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with SMTP id IAA05933 for ; Fri, 23 Mar 2001 08:09:36 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 3460 invoked by uid 500); 23 Mar 2001 13:09:21 -0000 Received: from localhost (sendmail-bs@127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 23 Mar 2001 13:09:21 -0000 Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 07:09:21 -0600 (CST) From: "Daniel E. Lautenschleger" To: Mac Conin cc: Tom Barrons , Subject: Re: Illustrator EPS files In-Reply-To: <3ABB0541.DEE7F02A@euc.de> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Has anyone else experienced problems with saving and retrieving Illustrator 9 files? Have you tried using the following RPM with Illustrator files? ftp://mirror.sit.wisc.edu/pub/linux/distributions/redhat/beta/wolverine/en/powertools/i386/RedHat/RPMS/netatalk-1.5pre2-4.i386.rpm I would like to know if this RPM does the same thing with your Illustrator files. Thanks. -Dan On Fri, 23 Mar 2001, Mac Conin wrote: > We have some customers using Illu 9.0 (plus the availaable patches). It > seems that Illustrator 9 has some significant bugs while storing and > exporting files. Our customer stepped back to Version 8 and everthing > works fine. > > Tom Barrons wrote: > > > > Hi all, > > > > I could use some help. I just built a new fileserver for a mixed > > Mac/Windows environment, I'm running netatalk and samba. This is only the > > second such install I've done. My first one was a while ago and it's been > > running great. I tried replicating the problem on my first install using the > > same files, the first one does not have the problem. > > > > First machine I'm running Yellow Dog Linux Champion Server 1.1 with > > netatalk-1.4b2+asun2.1.3, from an RPM provided with the distrobution. The > > new machine having the problem is RedHat 7 also with > > netatalk-1.4b2+asun2.1.3, this RPM was from RedHat's site. The two machines > > are on different networks in different buildings. > > > > This art department, all Macs, use Adobe Illustrator version 9. If a user > > tries saving a file directly to the server as an EPS "occasionally" they get > > kicked off the server and have to reconnect. They never have this problem > > if they save the file locally and then drag copy it over the network, only > > if they are saving it from within Illustrator. > > > > I don't see this as being to big of a problem myself but I can't seem to get > > them in the habit of doing it this way and not complaining about it. This > > didn't used to happen on their old NT server so of course they think the > > Linux one is broken and I want to prove otherwise. Everything else on the > > Samba/Windows end is working on this new install. > > > > After skimming through archives of this list I suspected the CRLF > > translation and I believe I correctly disabled that by adding -nocrlf to > > afpd.conf? I restarted netatlk but the problem persists. > > > > Since I didn't compile this myself I also wonder about a difference there, > > and how could I check for this? Could this still be something in netatalk > > or a config somewhere, or should I be looking elsewhere on the server or the > > network? > > > > Thanks for any help. > > Tom > > -- From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Fri Mar 23 09:13:36 2001 Return-Path: Received: from funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.27]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id JAA11258 for ; Fri, 23 Mar 2001 09:13:36 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id JAA02691 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Fri, 23 Mar 2001 09:13:28 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id JAA02653 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Fri, 23 Mar 2001 09:13:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from jason01.u.washington.edu (jason01.u.washington.edu [140.142.8.10]) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id JAA02576 for ; Fri, 23 Mar 2001 09:13:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from homer13.u.washington.edu (cent@homer13.u.washington.edu [140.142.8.13]) by jason01.u.washington.edu (8.11.2+UW01.01/8.11.2+UW01.03) with ESMTP id f2NEDVG18610 for ; Fri, 23 Mar 2001 06:13:31 -0800 Received: from localhost (cent@localhost) by homer13.u.washington.edu (8.11.2+UW01.01/8.11.2+UW01.03) with ESMTP id f2NEDUm135618 for ; Fri, 23 Mar 2001 06:13:30 -0800 Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 06:13:30 -0800 (PST) From: R Cent cc: "netatalk-admins@umich.edu" Subject: Joe In-Reply-To: <15034.4788.849611.662596@h0050da615e79.ne.mediaone.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hi, Why does the v7.0-2 Mandrake Update utility want to update (install?) the text editor called "Joe" on my server? I have removed any files related to Joe and the updater still presents it. Thanks. _____________________________ Bob Cent University of Washington Box 357330 Seattle, WA 98195-7330 mailto: cent@u.washington.edu voice: 206.543.1433 fax: 206.685.0305 _____________________________ From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Fri Mar 23 09:55:01 2001 Return-Path: Received: from funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.27]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id JAA12519 for ; Fri, 23 Mar 2001 09:55:01 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id JAA06856 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Fri, 23 Mar 2001 09:54:53 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id JAA06828 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Fri, 23 Mar 2001 09:54:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from specialreserve.net (www3.reserve.co.uk [195.216.17.3]) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id JAA06781 for ; Fri, 23 Mar 2001 09:54:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from [192.168.1.57] (195.216.17.40) by specialreserve.net with ESMTP (Eudora Internet Mail Server 2.2.2); Fri, 23 Mar 2001 14:53:52 +0000 User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 14:54:57 +0000 Subject: Re: Multiple Netatalk servers From: Basil Hussain To: MATSUDA Hitoshi , , "Bruce A. Burdick, Jr." Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Organization: Inter-Mediates Ltd. Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Hi, > I met strange problem. > When we try to mount Server-B after Server-D already be mounted, Maicntosh > says that "Server-B is already mounted!". When we try to mount Server-D > after Server-B already be mounted, Macintosh says "Server-D already > mounted!". Other combinations has no trouble. This has been discussed on the list before and a solution was found. In fact, I suffered from the same problem myself not so long ago. Anyway, I enclose at the end of this message the solution repeated to me then. To put it easily, though, all you need to do is change your /etc/hosts file from this: 127.0.0.1 localhost localhost.localdomain 192.168.1.1 yourhost.domain.com yourhost To this: 192.168.1.1 yourhost.domain.com yourhost 127.0.0.1 localhost localhost.localdomain It needs re-arranging so that the line with the normal IP address (192.168.1.1 in the example) of your server is the first line and the loopback address (127.0.0.1) is below. Regards, ------------------------------------------------ Basil Hussain (basil.hussain@specialreserve.net) ------------------------------------------------------------ From: "Joe Rhodes" Subject: Two servers --Solved!!! For the sake of someone searching through the archives for this at a latter date, here's a synopsis of the problem: You have two netatalk servers (RedHat Linux Based--Intel or LinuxPPC) running on the same network. They have different names, and each show up in the chooser seperately. However, when you log into one, the client mac sees the other as the same server as the first one you logged onto--and vice versa. Getting both servers to be recognized as different servers involved getting them to have unique server signatures. As was pointed out to me, this is directly affected by the value returned by the hostid command. For instance, my results from hostid were 17f00. Looking at that, 7f is hex for 127. As it turns out, the hostid is based off your server name and whatever that server name has for an address in /etc/hosts. For instance, in the file /etc/HOSTNAME my test server is called LittleLinux. In /etc/hosts I MUST have a line that goes something like this: 192.168.0.1 LittleLinux LittleLinux.localdomain You can (and probably should, but I don't know, I'm no expert) have the default line of 127.0.0.1 localhost localhost.localdomain in there. As long as the machine can find a match to what it thinks is the hostname, it will hash that IP address as the hostid, and consequently, as the Server Signature. By testing, I found it makes no difference what order the lines appear. If you do not have a line that matches, the machine will use the "localhost" entry. I ended up with two servers both hashing 127.0.0.1 as a hostid. The number here does not HAVE to be the correct IP address. (For instance, on my test machine, I run as a DHCP client, but I just left that 192.168 address there for grins.) If you do have the correct address there, then it will be transmitted to your client, and if the client will support it, it will connect via TCP/IP. (Unless you specify otherwise in your config file.) I need to make sure and give a big THANK YOU to all the people that helped me figure this one out. It's really cool how quickly you all responded with suggestions even though I'm sure you're all pretty busy with your own problems. Does anyone know if there is an FAQ-O-Matic that this should go in? Perhaps a centrally kept FAQ somewhere? Or do we just rely on the e-mail archive searches for this? (Which is primarily what I've been using.) Thanks again everyone! -Joe Rhodes ------------------------------------------------------------ From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Fri Mar 23 10:25:55 2001 Return-Path: Received: from kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.25]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id KAA13183 for ; Fri, 23 Mar 2001 10:25:55 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id KAA09695 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Fri, 23 Mar 2001 10:25:55 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id KAA09677 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Fri, 23 Mar 2001 10:25:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from www.molbio.wisc.edu (www.molbio.wisc.edu [144.92.19.124]) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with SMTP id KAA09524 for ; Fri, 23 Mar 2001 10:25:49 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 3588 invoked by uid 500); 23 Mar 2001 15:25:33 -0000 Received: from localhost (sendmail-bs@127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 23 Mar 2001 15:25:33 -0000 Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 09:25:33 -0600 (CST) From: "Daniel E. Lautenschleger" To: Basil Hussain cc: MATSUDA Hitoshi , , "Bruce A. Burdick, Jr." Subject: Re: Multiple Netatalk servers In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Seems like something that should be committed to the SourceForge Netatalk FAQ, huh? -Dan On Fri, 23 Mar 2001, Basil Hussain wrote: > Hi, > > > I met strange problem. > > > When we try to mount Server-B after Server-D already be mounted, Maicntosh > > says that "Server-B is already mounted!". When we try to mount Server-D > > after Server-B already be mounted, Macintosh says "Server-D already > > mounted!". Other combinations has no trouble. > > This has been discussed on the list before and a solution was found. In > fact, I suffered from the same problem myself not so long ago. Anyway, I > enclose at the end of this message the solution repeated to me then. > > To put it easily, though, all you need to do is change your /etc/hosts file > from this: > > 127.0.0.1 localhost localhost.localdomain > 192.168.1.1 yourhost.domain.com yourhost > > To this: > > 192.168.1.1 yourhost.domain.com yourhost > 127.0.0.1 localhost localhost.localdomain > > It needs re-arranging so that the line with the normal IP address > (192.168.1.1 in the example) of your server is the first line and the > loopback address (127.0.0.1) is below. > > Regards, > > ------------------------------------------------ > Basil Hussain (basil.hussain@specialreserve.net) > > > ------------------------------------------------------------ > From: "Joe Rhodes" > Subject: Two servers --Solved!!! > > For the sake of someone searching through the archives for > this at a latter date, here's a synopsis of the problem: > You have two netatalk servers (RedHat Linux Based--Intel or > LinuxPPC) running on the same network. They have different names, > and each show up in the chooser seperately. However, when you log > into one, the client mac sees the other as the same server as the > first one you logged onto--and vice versa. > > Getting both servers to be recognized as different servers > involved getting them to have unique server signatures. As was > pointed out to me, this is directly affected by the value returned by > the hostid command. For instance, my results from hostid were 17f00. > Looking at that, 7f is hex for 127. > > As it turns out, the hostid is based off your server name and > whatever that server name has for an address in /etc/hosts. For > instance, in the file /etc/HOSTNAME my test server is called > LittleLinux. In /etc/hosts I MUST have a line that goes something > like this: > 192.168.0.1 LittleLinux LittleLinux.localdomain > > You can (and probably should, but I don't know, I'm no expert) have > the default line of > 127.0.0.1 localhost localhost.localdomain > in there. As long as the machine can find a match to what it thinks > is the hostname, it will hash that IP address as the hostid, and > consequently, as the Server Signature. By testing, I found it makes > no difference what order the lines appear. > > If you do not have a line that matches, the machine will use > the "localhost" entry. I ended up with two servers both hashing > 127.0.0.1 as a hostid. > > The number here does not HAVE to be the correct IP address. (For > instance, on my test machine, I run as a DHCP client, but I just left > that 192.168 address there for grins.) If you do have the correct > address there, then it will be transmitted to your client, and if the > client will support it, it will connect via TCP/IP. (Unless you > specify otherwise in your config file.) > > I need to make sure and give a big THANK YOU to all the people that > helped me figure this one out. It's really cool how quickly you all > responded with suggestions even though I'm sure you're all pretty > busy with your own problems. > > Does anyone know if there is an FAQ-O-Matic that this should go in? > Perhaps a centrally kept FAQ somewhere? Or do we just rely on the > e-mail archive searches for this? (Which is primarily what I've been > using.) > > Thanks again everyone! > > -Joe Rhodes > ------------------------------------------------------------ > > From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Fri Mar 23 11:12:11 2001 Return-Path: Received: from easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.26]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id LAA14067 for ; Fri, 23 Mar 2001 11:12:11 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id LAA04811 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Fri, 23 Mar 2001 11:12:11 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id LAA04786 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Fri, 23 Mar 2001 11:12:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from rgrjr.dyndns.org (h0050da615e79.ne.mediaone.net [24.218.161.12]) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with SMTP id LAA04734 for ; Fri, 23 Mar 2001 11:12:08 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 7426 invoked by uid 500); 23 Mar 2001 16:12:07 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <15035.30167.439375.124029@h0050da615e79.ne.mediaone.net> Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 11:12:07 -0500 From: Bob Rogers To: Basil Hussain Cc: MATSUDA Hitoshi , , "Bruce A. Burdick, Jr." Subject: Re: Multiple Netatalk servers In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: VM 6.89 under Emacs 20.7.1 From: Basil Hussain Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 14:54:57 +0000 ------------------------------------------------------------ From: "Joe Rhodes" Subject: Two servers --Solved!!! You can (and probably should, but I don't know, I'm no expert) have the default line of 127.0.0.1 localhost localhost.localdomain in there . . . FWIW, my /etc/hosts has no 127.0.0.1 line, and the loopback interface seems to be fully functional (under RH 6.0 +errata, kernel 2.2.17). I don't think there even was an /etc/hosts before I created it. But I'm sure this is quite specific to Linux and/or Red Hat. (Though I'm no expert, either.) -- Bob Rogers From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Fri Mar 23 11:37:26 2001 Return-Path: Received: from easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.26]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id LAA15068 for ; Fri, 23 Mar 2001 11:37:26 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id LAA10554 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Fri, 23 Mar 2001 11:37:26 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id LAA10524 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Fri, 23 Mar 2001 11:37:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.teleologic.net (17eos170.eosinc.com [12.39.14.170]) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id LAA10480 for ; Fri, 23 Mar 2001 11:37:24 -0500 (EST) Received: by mail.teleologic.net (Postfix, from userid 1049) id 2DE412B90E8; Fri, 23 Mar 2001 10:37:23 -0600 (CST) Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 10:37:23 -0600 From: Danny Sauer To: Bob Rogers Cc: netatalk-admins@umich.edu Subject: Re: Multiple Netatalk servers Message-ID: <20010323103723.F10644@teleologic.net> References: <15035.30167.439375.124029@h0050da615e79.ne.mediaone.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <15035.30167.439375.124029@h0050da615e79.ne.mediaone.net>; from rogers-netatalk@rgrjr.dyndns.org on Fri, Mar 23, 2001 at 11:12:07AM -0500 X-Operating-System: Linux 2.2.16 i686 X-Dont-Spam-Me: I might come after you Bob wrote regarding 'Re: Multiple Netatalk servers' on Fri, Mar 23 at 10:23: > From: Basil Hussain > Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 14:54:57 +0000 > > ------------------------------------------------------------ > From: "Joe Rhodes" > Subject: Two servers --Solved!!! > > You can (and probably should, but I don't know, I'm no expert) have > the default line of > 127.0.0.1 localhost localhost.localdomain > in there . . . > > FWIW, my /etc/hosts has no 127.0.0.1 line, and the loopback interface > seems to be fully functional (under RH 6.0 +errata, kernel 2.2.17). I > don't think there even was an /etc/hosts before I created it. > > But I'm sure this is quite specific to Linux and/or Red Hat. (Though > I'm no expert, either.) The interface itself would work as 127.0.0.1 without an entry in /etc/hosts, and a lot of times your local DNS server will have an entry for localhost and 127.0.0.1 that your system will use in place of the hosts file entry for name resolution. You really don't even need an /etc/hosts in most cases anyway - it's just faster than DNS for your own hostname (and works before the network interface is up). --Danny From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Fri Mar 23 11:59:47 2001 Return-Path: Received: from easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.26]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id LAA15635 for ; Fri, 23 Mar 2001 11:59:47 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id LAA16321 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Fri, 23 Mar 2001 11:59:47 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id LAA16306 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Fri, 23 Mar 2001 11:59:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.euc.de (mail.euc.de [195.63.193.18]) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id LAA16245 for ; Fri, 23 Mar 2001 11:59:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from euc.de (euc-punktum.euc.de [195.63.193.116]) by mail.euc.de (8.9.3/8.9.3/SuSE Linux 8.9.3-0.1) with ESMTP id RAA23224 for ; Fri, 23 Mar 2001 17:55:50 +0100 Message-ID: <3ABB8017.ADE5F62@euc.de> Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 17:55:51 +0100 From: Mac Conin Organization: EUC Online Service GmbH X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "netatalk-admins@umich.edu" Subject: netatalk codepages Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu id LAA15635 Dear List, it seems to me that netatalk does not load/uses any codepage. I used in the /etc/atalk/AppleVolumes.default /test "Test" allow:@users codepage:maccode.iso8859-1 additionally I put a personalized copy of AppleVolumes.default into the users home directory as .AppleVolumes Also is a codepage named. Whatever codepage I use - I still get garbled umlauts (a umlaut changesd to %). >From the samba-clients files are correct placed onto the Linux server. Browsing like 'ls' shows correct signs. Is there a way to check the codepage if loaded? -- --schnipp-- mit freundlichen grüssen ----------------------------------------------------------- Mac Conin EUC Online Service GmbH Taubengasse 9 mconin@euc.de D 50676 Koeln http://www.euc.de HRB Köln 32038 tel : +49-221-923 27 33 fax : +49-221-239 651 ----------------------------------------------------------- From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Fri Mar 23 13:18:04 2001 Return-Path: Received: from kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.25]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id NAA17325 for ; Fri, 23 Mar 2001 13:18:04 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id NAA26557 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Fri, 23 Mar 2001 13:18:04 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id NAA26542 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Fri, 23 Mar 2001 13:18:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from jump.tangro.de (cray-ymp.tangro.de [193.155.17.164]) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id NAA26462 for ; Fri, 23 Mar 2001 13:17:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from [193.155.17.160] (whizz.tangro.de [193.155.17.160]) by jump.tangro.de (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id f2NIHbH06159; Fri, 23 Mar 2001 19:17:37 +0100 (CET) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: hf@mail.tangro.de (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3ABB8017.ADE5F62@euc.de> References: <3ABB8017.ADE5F62@euc.de> Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 19:17:01 +0100 To: Mac Conin From: Hauke Fath Subject: Re: netatalk codepages Cc: "netatalk-admins@umich.edu" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" At 17:55 Uhr +0100 23.03.2001, Mac Conin wrote: >it seems to me that netatalk What version of Netatalk are you talking about? >does not load/uses any codepage. hauke -- Hauke Fath tangro software components GmbH D-69115 Heidelberg hf@tangro.de Ruf +49-6221-13336-0, Fax -21 From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Fri Mar 23 15:14:11 2001 Return-Path: Received: from funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.27]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id PAA20544 for ; Fri, 23 Mar 2001 15:14:11 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id PAA18457 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Fri, 23 Mar 2001 15:14:04 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id PAA18410 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Fri, 23 Mar 2001 15:14:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.euc.de (mail.euc.de [195.63.193.18]) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id PAA18329 for ; Fri, 23 Mar 2001 15:13:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from euc.de (euc-punktum.euc.de [195.63.193.116]) by mail.euc.de (8.9.3/8.9.3/SuSE Linux 8.9.3-0.1) with ESMTP id VAA24225; Fri, 23 Mar 2001 21:10:10 +0100 Message-ID: <3ABBADA4.530D22CF@euc.de> Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 21:10:12 +0100 From: Mac Conin Organization: EUC Online Service GmbH X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Hauke Fath CC: "netatalk-admins@umich.edu" Subject: Re: netatalk codepages References: <3ABB8017.ADE5F62@euc.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu id PAA20544 this is version 1.4.99-5 from the Suse 7.1 Distribution Hauke Fath wrote: > > At 17:55 Uhr +0100 23.03.2001, Mac Conin wrote: > >it seems to me that netatalk > > What version of Netatalk are you talking about? > > >does not load/uses any codepage. > > hauke > > -- > Hauke Fath tangro software components GmbH > D-69115 Heidelberg > hf@tangro.de Ruf +49-6221-13336-0, Fax -21 -- --schnipp-- mit freundlichen grüssen ----------------------------------------------------------- Mac Conin EUC Online Service GmbH Geschäftsführer Taubengasse 9 mconin@euc.de D 50676 Koeln http://www.euc.de HRB Köln 32038 tel : +49-221-923 27 33 fax : +49-221-239 651 ----------------------------------------------------------- EUC sponsort Clean up Cologne - eine Iniative der IHK Köln, der Abfallwirtschaftsbetriebe Köln (AWB) und dem Grünflächenamt der Stadt Köln. http://www.clean-up-cologne.de From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Fri Mar 23 15:52:37 2001 Return-Path: Received: from funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.27]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id PAA21723 for ; Fri, 23 Mar 2001 15:52:37 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id PAA21339 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Fri, 23 Mar 2001 15:52:31 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id PAA21314 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Fri, 23 Mar 2001 15:52:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from esc.standard.k12.ca.us (206-227-4-172.kern.org [206.227.4.172]) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id PAA21256 for ; Fri, 23 Mar 2001 15:52:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from [10.1.1.23] ([10.1.1.23]) by esc.standard.k12.ca.us (8.10.2/8.10.2) with ESMTP id f2NKqTG14419 for ; Fri, 23 Mar 2001 12:52:29 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: jdavis@esc.standard.k12.ca.us (Unverified) Message-Id: Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 12:51:55 -0800 To: netatalk-admins@umich.edu From: Jeff Davis Subject: File & Record Locking? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Has anyone else experienced problems getting file and record locking to play nice? My particular issue involves the codebase library, but I've seen other posts indicating problems with other database software. Can anyone shed some light on this for me? I'm currently using 1.4.99, but am getting ready to try 1.5pre1 Thanks very much, -Jeff -- Jefferson K. Davis Technology & IS Manager Standard School District 1200 North Chester Ave Bakersfield, CA 93308 661-392-2110 From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Fri Mar 23 17:58:58 2001 Return-Path: Received: from easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.26]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id RAA26197 for ; Fri, 23 Mar 2001 17:58:57 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id RAA06215 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Fri, 23 Mar 2001 17:58:57 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id RAA06193 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Fri, 23 Mar 2001 17:58:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from rogue.shadow.org (dsl-209-162-215-114.easystreet.com [209.162.215.114]) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id RAA06066 for ; Fri, 23 Mar 2001 17:58:52 -0500 (EST) Received: (from ns@localhost) by rogue.shadow.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA29272; Fri, 23 Mar 2001 14:58:46 -0800 Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 14:58:46 -0800 From: Sam Noble To: netatalk-devel@lists.sourceforge.net Cc: netatalk-admins@umich.edu Subject: kerberos4 uam, (one or two) testers needed Message-ID: <20010323145846.C29204@shadow.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i Does anybody have a kerberos4 using netatalk up and *functional*? I've updated the krb4 uam in the sourceforge netatalk to work with the latest authman stuff from Umich. Unfortunately I'm having a hell of a time trying to test its functionality. If you have a working kerberos4 setup (ie you've got an older netatalk release that actually works with kerberos4) and would like to test this -- basically to tell me if it works, you should email me and I can send you something that might work with netatalk-1.5pre5. /* Sam */ From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Fri Mar 23 18:53:06 2001 Return-Path: Received: from kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.25]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id SAA27996 for ; Fri, 23 Mar 2001 18:53:06 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id SAA03910 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Fri, 23 Mar 2001 18:53:06 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id SAA03891 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Fri, 23 Mar 2001 18:53:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.mathit.co.jp (dns.mathit.co.jp [211.124.215.50]) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id SAA03868 for ; Fri, 23 Mar 2001 18:53:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from [192.168.1.102] (mt266.mathit.co.jp [192.168.1.102]) by mail.mathit.co.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id D375F9E for ; Sat, 24 Mar 2001 08:53:02 +0900 (JST) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: hitoshi@192.168.1.10 X-Mailer: Macintosh Eudora Version 4.3.2-J Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 08:53:03 +0900 To: netatalk-admins@umich.edu From: MATSUDA Hitoshi Subject: Re: Multiple Netatalk servers Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hello, Thank you for your advice. We can't restart Netatalk services now, so I will try next week and inform its result later. Thank you, MATSUDA Hitoshi Mathit Communications,Inc At 2:54 PM +0000 01.3.23, Basil Hussain wrote: >Hi, > >> I met strange problem. > >> When we try to mount Server-B after Server-D already be mounted, Maicntosh >> says that "Server-B is already mounted!". When we try to mount Server-D >> after Server-B already be mounted, Macintosh says "Server-D already >> mounted!". Other combinations has no trouble. > >This has been discussed on the list before and a solution was found. In >fact, I suffered from the same problem myself not so long ago. Anyway, I >enclose at the end of this message the solution repeated to me then. > >To put it easily, though, all you need to do is change your /etc/hosts file >from this: > >127.0.0.1 localhost localhost.localdomain >192.168.1.1 yourhost.domain.com yourhost > >To this: > >192.168.1.1 yourhost.domain.com yourhost >127.0.0.1 localhost localhost.localdomain > >It needs re-arranging so that the line with the normal IP address >(192.168.1.1 in the example) of your server is the first line and the >loopback address (127.0.0.1) is below. > >Regards, > >------------------------------------------------ >Basil Hussain (basil.hussain@specialreserve.net) > > >------------------------------------------------------------ >From: "Joe Rhodes" >Subject: Two servers --Solved!!! > > For the sake of someone searching through the archives for >this at a latter date, here's a synopsis of the problem: > You have two netatalk servers (RedHat Linux Based--Intel or >LinuxPPC) running on the same network. They have different names, >and each show up in the chooser seperately. However, when you log >into one, the client mac sees the other as the same server as the >first one you logged onto--and vice versa. > > Getting both servers to be recognized as different servers >involved getting them to have unique server signatures. As was >pointed out to me, this is directly affected by the value returned by >the hostid command. For instance, my results from hostid were 17f00. >Looking at that, 7f is hex for 127. > > As it turns out, the hostid is based off your server name and >whatever that server name has for an address in /etc/hosts. For >instance, in the file /etc/HOSTNAME my test server is called >LittleLinux. In /etc/hosts I MUST have a line that goes something >like this: > 192.168.0.1 LittleLinux LittleLinux.localdomain > > You can (and probably should, but I don't know, I'm no expert) have >the default line of > 127.0.0.1 localhost localhost.localdomain > in there. As long as the machine can find a match to what it thinks >is the hostname, it will hash that IP address as the hostid, and >consequently, as the Server Signature. By testing, I found it makes >no difference what order the lines appear. > > If you do not have a line that matches, the machine will use >the "localhost" entry. I ended up with two servers both hashing >127.0.0.1 as a hostid. > > The number here does not HAVE to be the correct IP address. (For >instance, on my test machine, I run as a DHCP client, but I just left >that 192.168 address there for grins.) If you do have the correct >address there, then it will be transmitted to your client, and if the >client will support it, it will connect via TCP/IP. (Unless you >specify otherwise in your config file.) > > I need to make sure and give a big THANK YOU to all the people that >helped me figure this one out. It's really cool how quickly you all >responded with suggestions even though I'm sure you're all pretty >busy with your own problems. > > Does anyone know if there is an FAQ-O-Matic that this should go in? >Perhaps a centrally kept FAQ somewhere? Or do we just rely on the >e-mail archive searches for this? (Which is primarily what I've been >using.) > > Thanks again everyone! > > -Joe Rhodes >------------------------------------------------------------ From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Mon Mar 26 00:30:29 2001 Return-Path: Received: from kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.25]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id AAA18236 for ; Mon, 26 Mar 2001 00:30:29 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id AAA16913 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Mon, 26 Mar 2001 00:30:29 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id AAA16903 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Mon, 26 Mar 2001 00:30:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.mathit.co.jp (dns.mathit.co.jp [211.124.215.50]) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id AAA16881 for ; Mon, 26 Mar 2001 00:30:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from [192.168.1.102] (mt266.mathit.co.jp [192.168.1.102]) by mail.mathit.co.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id B89E39E for ; Mon, 26 Mar 2001 14:30:24 +0900 (JST) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: hitoshi@192.168.1.10 X-Mailer: Macintosh Eudora Version 4.3.2-J Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 14:30:23 +0900 To: netatalk-admins@umich.edu From: MATSUDA Hitoshi Subject: Re: Multiple Netatalk servers Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hello, We fixed this problem. The line order of /etc/hosts was not basic reason. There were misconfiguration between /etc/hosts, /etc/HOSTNAME and /etc /sysconfig/network in two servers which have this problem. After we fixed this problem, "hostid" returns each regal value. Thank you for everyone. MATSUDA Hitoshi Mathit Communications,Inc At 8:53 AM +0900 01.3.24, MATSUDA Hitoshi wrote: >Hello, > >Thank you for your advice. >We can't restart Netatalk services now, so I will try next week and >inform its result later. > >Thank you, > >MATSUDA Hitoshi >Mathit Communications,Inc > >At 2:54 PM +0000 01.3.23, Basil Hussain wrote: >>Hi, >> >>> I met strange problem. >> >>> When we try to mount Server-B after Server-D already be mounted, Maicntosh >>> says that "Server-B is already mounted!". When we try to mount Server-D >>> after Server-B already be mounted, Macintosh says "Server-D already >>> mounted!". Other combinations has no trouble. >> >>This has been discussed on the list before and a solution was found. In >>fact, I suffered from the same problem myself not so long ago. Anyway, I >>enclose at the end of this message the solution repeated to me then. >> >>To put it easily, though, all you need to do is change your /etc/hosts file >>from this: >> >>127.0.0.1 localhost localhost.localdomain >>192.168.1.1 yourhost.domain.com yourhost >> >>To this: >> >>192.168.1.1 yourhost.domain.com yourhost >>127.0.0.1 localhost localhost.localdomain >> >>It needs re-arranging so that the line with the normal IP address >>(192.168.1.1 in the example) of your server is the first line and the >>loopback address (127.0.0.1) is below. >> >>Regards, >> >>------------------------------------------------ >>Basil Hussain (basil.hussain@specialreserve.net) >> >> >>------------------------------------------------------------ >>From: "Joe Rhodes" >>Subject: Two servers --Solved!!! >> >> For the sake of someone searching through the archives for >>this at a latter date, here's a synopsis of the problem: >> You have two netatalk servers (RedHat Linux Based--Intel or >>LinuxPPC) running on the same network. They have different names, >>and each show up in the chooser seperately. However, when you log >>into one, the client mac sees the other as the same server as the >>first one you logged onto--and vice versa. >> >> Getting both servers to be recognized as different servers >>involved getting them to have unique server signatures. As was >>pointed out to me, this is directly affected by the value returned by >>the hostid command. For instance, my results from hostid were 17f00. >>Looking at that, 7f is hex for 127. >> >> As it turns out, the hostid is based off your server name and >>whatever that server name has for an address in /etc/hosts. For >>instance, in the file /etc/HOSTNAME my test server is called >>LittleLinux. In /etc/hosts I MUST have a line that goes something >>like this: >> 192.168.0.1 LittleLinux LittleLinux.localdomain >> >> You can (and probably should, but I don't know, I'm no expert) have >>the default line of >> 127.0.0.1 localhost localhost.localdomain >> in there. As long as the machine can find a match to what it thinks >>is the hostname, it will hash that IP address as the hostid, and >>consequently, as the Server Signature. By testing, I found it makes >>no difference what order the lines appear. >> >> If you do not have a line that matches, the machine will use >>the "localhost" entry. I ended up with two servers both hashing >>127.0.0.1 as a hostid. >> >> The number here does not HAVE to be the correct IP address. (For >>instance, on my test machine, I run as a DHCP client, but I just left >>that 192.168 address there for grins.) If you do have the correct >>address there, then it will be transmitted to your client, and if the >>client will support it, it will connect via TCP/IP. (Unless you >>specify otherwise in your config file.) >> >> I need to make sure and give a big THANK YOU to all the people that >>helped me figure this one out. It's really cool how quickly you all >>responded with suggestions even though I'm sure you're all pretty >>busy with your own problems. >> >> Does anyone know if there is an FAQ-O-Matic that this should go in? >>Perhaps a centrally kept FAQ somewhere? Or do we just rely on the >>e-mail archive searches for this? (Which is primarily what I've been >>using.) >> >> Thanks again everyone! >> >> -Joe Rhodes >>------------------------------------------------------------ From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Mon Mar 26 09:33:21 2001 Return-Path: Received: from easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.26]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id JAA27212 for ; Mon, 26 Mar 2001 09:33:21 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id JAA04346 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Mon, 26 Mar 2001 09:33:21 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id JAA04323 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Mon, 26 Mar 2001 09:33:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from mathserv.math.ohio-state.edu (mathserv.math.ohio-state.edu [128.146.111.31]) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id JAA04228 for ; Mon, 26 Mar 2001 09:33:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from math.ohio-state.edu (IDENT:postfix@hooloovoo.math.ohio-state.edu [128.146.111.37]) by mathserv.math.ohio-state.edu (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id f2QEXDH20501; Mon, 26 Mar 2001 09:33:13 -0500 Received: by math.ohio-state.edu (Postfix, from userid 2405) id 5D832B65F; Mon, 26 Mar 2001 09:15:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by math.ohio-state.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A577B65E; Mon, 26 Mar 2001 09:15:21 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 09:15:21 -0500 (EST) From: Chad Cunningham To: alan premselaar Cc: Walt Reed , Subject: Re: zone router In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 22 Mar 2001, alan premselaar wrote: > Basically, here's why you would want to perform "routing" on a single > interface. Say you have multiple macs on one single subnet, but there's > enough appletalk devices (printers, servers, clients, etc) broadcasting > appletalk services to clutter your chooser. You could define multiple > zones in a single subnet and have different devices broadcast in different > zones accordingly. That is my understanding, and this is exactly what I want to do. So it sounds like it *should* be working, it's just not... Could this be a bug? Does anyone have this working? Should I back off to the old 1.4b2+asun release? From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Mon Mar 26 12:41:42 2001 Return-Path: Received: from kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.25]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id MAA03513 for ; Mon, 26 Mar 2001 12:41:42 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id MAA16343 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Mon, 26 Mar 2001 12:41:42 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id MAA16277 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Mon, 26 Mar 2001 12:41:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from abductee.12inch.com (smtp.visusmedia.com [38.241.102.2]) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id MAA16118 for ; Mon, 26 Mar 2001 12:41:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from [192.168.200.10] (sc-24-165-68-116.socal.rr.com [24.165.68.116]) by abductee.12inch.com (8.9.3/8.8.7) with ESMTP id JAA31516; Mon, 26 Mar 2001 09:48:54 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Macintosh Eudora Pro Version 4.2.1-J Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 09:39:07 -0800 To: Chad Cunningham From: alan premselaar Subject: Re: zone router Cc: Walt Reed , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-2022-jp" ; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Chad, I have this working (to a small degree) at home. Try changing your network address settings (which should force your macs to see the change) if you can. something like: eth0 -router -phase 2 -net 10-20 -zone "Staff" -zone "RTL" -zone "Faculty" -zone "EMPT" -zone "Public" and then restart the appletalk services, and then open the appletalk control panel on a mac and it should complain about the network settings, and then rescan the appletalk network, etc. alan At 9:15$B8aA0(B -0500 3.26.01, Chad Cunningham wrote: >On Thu, 22 Mar 2001, alan premselaar wrote: > > > Basically, here's why you would want to perform "routing" on a single > > interface. Say you have multiple macs on one single subnet, but there's > > enough appletalk devices (printers, servers, clients, etc) broadcasting > > appletalk services to clutter your chooser. You could define multiple > > zones in a single subnet and have different devices broadcast in different > > zones accordingly. > >That is my understanding, and this is exactly what I want to do. So it >sounds like it *should* be working, it's just not... Could this be a bug? >Does anyone have this working? Should I back off to the old 1.4b2+asun >release? ---- there's nothing like the undying sense of reliability provided by modern technology. ---- alan premselaar alien@12inch.com www.12inch.com From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Mon Mar 26 18:29:56 2001 Return-Path: Received: from easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.26]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id SAA13560 for ; Mon, 26 Mar 2001 18:29:56 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id SAA23890 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Mon, 26 Mar 2001 18:29:56 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id SAA23867 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Mon, 26 Mar 2001 18:29:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from garnet.tc.umn.edu (garnet.tc.umn.edu [160.94.218.249]) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id SAA23834 for ; Mon, 26 Mar 2001 18:29:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by garnet.tc.umn.edu with ESMTP; Mon, 26 Mar 2001 17:29:54 -0600 Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 17:29:54 -0600 (CST) From: Karen A Swanberg To: netatalk-admins@umich.edu cc: netatalk-devel@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: OpenBSD: tcp-wrappers / setdirowner In-Reply-To: Message-Id: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII (was: O-BSD uam_load errors + wrap/encrypt?) I too am getting the errors recently discussed under the subject "Problems copying to shares," with the setdirowner: chown -1/0 .AppleDouble/.Parent ..." error on the BSD server, and "The Item cannot be written..." on the Mac. I assume this is still an on-going problem? If so, I'm just reporting that I get it too, and any files copied onto the BSD server are 0K, so it's a showstopper here too. What's the status on this, if I may ask? Expanding on Jean-Philippe Rey's notes, to get 1.5pre5 to compile and make on OpenBSD: Summary ------- ./configure --with-tcp-wrappers --with-ssl-dirs=/usr vi libtool -> 368a output_objdir=. vi config.h -> 6a #define NO_CRYPT_H 1 #define DLSYM_PREPEND_UNDERSCORE 1 gmake gmake install successfully compiles on OpenBSD 2.8, however there are still more issues. When compiling with both --tcp-wrappers and -ssl, I get these errors when starting the daemons from rc.local, and atalkd never successfully starts: /usr/libexec/ld.so: Undefined symbol "_deny_severity" in atalkd:/usr/lib/libwrap.so.1.1 /usr/libexec/ld.so: Undefined symbol "_deny_severity" in nbprgstr:/usr/lib/libwrap.so.1.1 /usr/libexec/ld.so: Undefined symbol "_deny_severity" in timelord:/usr/lib/libwrap.so.1.1 When I compiled without tcp-wrappers, I was getting this error: afpd[] Can't register machine:AFPServer&* However, adding my interface, fxp0 to my atalkd.conf file fixed that immediately. Now all of my passwords are being sent encrypted! Thank you very much! And finally, Is there a particular reason that all of the executables go in SBINDIR except nbprgstr, which goes into BINDIR? I'm happy with it there, just curious. System info for the curious: ssl-2.7-USA amanda-2.4.1p1 libtool-1.3.5 automake-1.4 autoconf-2.13 gettext-0.10.35 gmake-3.79.1 and I keep all the output from my .configure/gmake/gmake installs if anyone wants them to help debug the tcpwrap thing. So, except for the showstopping setdirowner error, and something wrong with tcp-wrappers, 1.5pre5 seems to be working well on OpenBSD 2.8. Sincerely; * * Karen Swanberg | Network Admin. | Error: Sector not found-- Dept. of Geology/Geophysics |search behind couch? (Y/N) 206 Pillsbury Hall | 310 Pillsbury Ave. SE | University of Mn | Enter any 11-digit prime Minneapolis, MN 55455 | number to continue... (612) 624-6541 | * * From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Mon Mar 26 22:11:22 2001 Return-Path: Received: from funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.27]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id WAA17707 for ; Mon, 26 Mar 2001 22:11:22 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id WAA14357 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Mon, 26 Mar 2001 22:11:14 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id WAA14332 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Mon, 26 Mar 2001 22:11:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from monster.hornstra.com (node11421.a2000.nl [24.132.20.33]) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id WAA14273 for ; Mon, 26 Mar 2001 22:11:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (lijn@localhost) by monster.hornstra.com (8.9.3/monstermail0.99) with ESMTP id FAA07579; Tue, 27 Mar 2001 05:10:13 +0200 X-SMTP-Header-Virus: Hi, I'm the SMTP-Header-Virus. Please put me into your sendmail.cf and help me spread! ;-) Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 05:10:13 +0200 (CEST) From: Cathelijne Hornstra X-Sender: lijn@monster To: Geoffrey Hughes cc: netatalk-admins@umich.edu Subject: Re: Netatalk not showing in Chooser In-Reply-To: <5.0.2.1.2.20010322091951.0229e720@brandywine.otago.ac.nz> Message-ID: X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 7.58.0938.8404 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Micros~1 MimeOLE V7.58.0938.8404 X-MSMail-Priority: Highest X-MSMail-Complaints: X-MSMail-Priority is a proprietary header. The content has been devised by reverse engineering. If it bugs you: please contact MICROS~1 X-SMTP-Header-Virus-Checker: HeaderCheck 0.2.56 - April 30 2000 X-SMTP-Header-Virus-Checker-Alert: Virus in your headers MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 22 Mar 2001, 09:23 (+1200), Geoffrey Hughes wrote: > This is probably quite a simple fix but it's got me stumped at the moment. > > I have just installed Mandrake 7.1 on a machine with a 3com 3c905C nic and > when starting netatalk I get the messages below... > > Mar 22 09:15:35 LTServer atalkd: eth0: multicast may not work correctly. > Mar 22 09:15:36 LTServer atalkd[641]: zip_getnetinfo for eth0 > Mar 22 09:15:45 LTServer atalkd[641]: zip_getnetinfo for eth0 > Mar 22 09:15:55 LTServer atalkd[641]: zip_getnetinfo for eth0 > Mar 22 09:16:05 LTServer atalkd[641]: config for no router > Mar 22 09:16:06 LTServer atalkd[641]: ready 0/0/0 > Mar 22 09:16:06 LTServer atalk: atalkd startup succeeded > Mar 22 09:16:19 LTServer atalk: timelord startup succeeded > Mar 22 09:16:19 LTServer atalk: afpd startup succeeded > Mar 22 09:16:25 LTServer afpd[673]: Can't register LTServer:AFPServer@ITS > Services DN > Mar 22 09:16:25 LTServer timelord[665]: LTServer:TimeLord started > Mar 22 09:16:25 LTServer afpd[673]: ASIP started on 139.80.105.33:548(1) (1.5) > Mar 22 09:16:25 LTServer afpd[673]: uam: uams_clrtxt.so loaded > Mar 22 09:16:25 LTServer afpd[673]: uam: "Cleartxt Passwrd" available > > I have loaded the module and if I click the server ip button in the choose, > I can connect fine. The server just isn't showing in the chooser at > all. The same configuration files work fine on a machine with an intel > etherexpress pro card. > > Any ideas? appletalk module loaded in the kernel? gr. Cathelijne -- ****.~.******************************************************** *___ V ___ Is it a bird? - No * * /S\ Is it Superman? - No * * (\ /) It's Flying SuperPenguin with the big feet! * **^^^-^^^****************************************************** From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Tue Mar 27 05:43:29 2001 Return-Path: Received: from kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.25]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id FAA25964 for ; Tue, 27 Mar 2001 05:43:29 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id FAA21514 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Tue, 27 Mar 2001 05:43:29 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id FAA21496 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Tue, 27 Mar 2001 05:43:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from mailout01.sul.t-online.com (mailout01.sul.t-online.com [194.25.134.80]) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id FAA21452 for ; Tue, 27 Mar 2001 05:43:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from fwd05.sul.t-online.com by mailout01.sul.t-online.com with smtp id 14hqwg-0001A3-09; Tue, 27 Mar 2001 12:43:26 +0200 Received: from [192.168.0.33] (07031811601-0001@[217.2.89.17]) by fmrl05.sul.t-online.com with esmtp id 14hqwL-1kE7RAC; Tue, 27 Mar 2001 12:43:05 +0200 Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 12:46:23 +0200 To: netatalk-admins@umich.edu From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?J=FCrgen?= Weltzer Subject: error -50 lost of directory content Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" ; format="flowed" X-Sender: 07031811601-0001@t-dialin.net Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu id FAA25964 hi, I'm working with 1.4.pre 39 since a few months without problems. now something strange occured: Copying a folder Y from a Mac (OS 9) to the server All/dirA/dir1/ I got error -50 "could not write file x (located in Y)" I tried it again: message: folder Y does already exist - would you replace it. I said "Yes" (I'll do it never again!!!!) Because: Suddenly I got the message "can't delete folder All/dirB because its in use" I stopped and looked into All/dirA/dir1 - and it was empty!! exception "Temporary Items" I asked my desingers (working with OS 8.6) if they ever had an error while copying files. The answer "no". Is it a problem with netatalk and OS 9? Is there a fix? O god, I hope my backup was working fine, cause the lost of a whole days work isn't really funny. -- Viele Grüße Jürgen Weltzer - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Werbeagentur Weltzer Max-Eyth-Straße 8 71065 Sindelfingen Tel. +49 (0) 70.31.81.32.31 Fax +49 (0) 70.31.81.16.01 http://www.w-ww.de/ - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Windows95/98/NT: 32 bit extension and a graphical shell for a 16 bit patch to an 8 bit operating system originally coded for a 4 bit microprocessor, written by a 2 bit company, that can't stand 1 bit of competition From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Tue Mar 27 10:32:57 2001 Return-Path: Received: from funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.27]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id KAA01942 for ; Tue, 27 Mar 2001 10:32:57 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id KAA22273 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Tue, 27 Mar 2001 10:32:48 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id KAA22133 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Tue, 27 Mar 2001 10:32:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from garnet.tc.umn.edu (garnet.tc.umn.edu [160.94.218.249]) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id KAA22030 for ; Tue, 27 Mar 2001 10:32:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by garnet.tc.umn.edu with ESMTP for netatalk-admins@umich.edu; Tue, 27 Mar 2001 09:32:49 -0600 Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 09:32:49 -0600 (CST) From: Karen A Swanberg To: netatalk-admins@umich.edu Subject: Re: Netatalk not showing in Chooser In-Reply-To: <5.0.2.1.2.20010322091951.0229e720@brandywine.otago.ac.nz> Message-Id: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII on 03/22/01, Geoffrey Hughes wisely declared: > This is probably quite a simple fix but it's got me stumped at the moment. > > I have just installed Mandrake 7.1 on a machine with a 3com 3c905C nic and > when starting netatalk I get the messages below... > > Mar 22 09:15:35 LTServer atalkd: eth0: multicast may not work correctly. > Mar 22 09:16:25 LTServer afpd[673]: Can't register LTServer:AFPServer@ITS > Services DN > Mar 22 09:16:25 LTServer timelord[665]: LTServer:TimeLord started > > I have loaded the module and if I click the server ip button in the choose, > I can connect fine. The server just isn't showing in the chooser at > all. The same configuration files work fine on a machine with an intel > etherexpress pro card. > > Any ideas? Have you edited your atalkd.conf file? When mine was empty, I was getting the exact same error, but when I added the line fxp0 which is my NIC, netatalk then populated it with all of the info I needed, specifically: fxp0 -phase 2 -net 51321 -addr 51321.229 -zone "Geology" so I think if you were to just put in eth0 it might just work. I'm on OpenBSD/1.5pre5, and know very little about linux... * * Karen Swanberg | Network Admin. | Error: Sector not found-- Dept. of Geology/Geophysics |search behind couch? (Y/N) 206 Pillsbury Hall | 310 Pillsbury Ave. SE | University of Mn | Enter any 11-digit prime Minneapolis, MN 55455 | number to continue... (612) 624-6541 | * * From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Tue Mar 27 11:39:52 2001 Return-Path: Received: from easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.26]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id LAA05016 for ; Tue, 27 Mar 2001 11:39:52 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id LAA18608 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Tue, 27 Mar 2001 11:39:52 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id LAA18582 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Tue, 27 Mar 2001 11:39:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.byte-productions.com (mail.byte-productions.com [12.32.73.213]) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id LAA18511 for ; Tue, 27 Mar 2001 11:39:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from [12.32.73.194] (byte-1.byte-productions.com [12.32.73.194]) by mail.byte-productions.com (8.9.3/8.8.7) with ESMTP id LAA14205 for ; Tue, 27 Mar 2001 11:40:56 -0500 User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 11:39:49 -0500 Subject: Re: Illustrator EPS files From: Tom Barrons To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Problem resolved. Thanks to Alan Premselaar for leading me in the right direction. Hope this info is useful to somebody else should you run into the same problem. It appears that Adobe Illustrator has random problems saving an EPS file directly to a server when connected via TCP/IP. This art department's old NT server probably didn't support AppleShareIP and when I set up netatalk for them it allowed the Mac's to connect via this method for the first time and the problem showed itself. I just set up another server in afpd.conf and set the parameter -notcp which forces the Macs who choose this server to use AppleTalk instead. Then I asked a few of the artists to try this server instead and they have not reported the problem since. > From: alan premselaar > Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 15:40:33 -0800 > To: Tom Barrons > Subject: Re: Illustrator EPS files > > Was the NT machine running 4.0? if so, chances are it wasn't supporting > ASIP unless you got some 3rd party ASIP drivers installed. > > that would probably be a good test too, forcing an appletalk connection... > > you might also want to test it on your current share (with -tcp enabled) > but when you select the server from the chooser, hold down the option key > and double-click it... that'll force an appletalk (NOT ASIP) connection and > probably give you a decent testbed as well... > > you can always check your connection type on the mac by highlighting the > server volume and doing a getinfo on it... it'll tell you it's connected > via appletalk or via TCP/IP with an IP address. > > goodluck, i'm interested in the results. > > alan > >> Alan, >> >> I am going to take your advice and ask some of the artists to see if version >> 8 has the same issue, that will be good to know though I don't think I could >> convince the entire department to downgrade to 8 or just sit patiently and >> wait for Adobe to fix it. >> >> You know what though, I didn't even think about the ASIP being a potential. >> I don't think the NT server was utilizing that. No way to know now though, >> since that was on the same machine and now its running RedHat. I'm going to >> set up another netatalk share with the -notcp parameter and see if they >> still have the problem. >> >> Thanks, >> Tom >> >>> From: alan premselaar >>> Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 14:23:14 -0800 >>> To: Tom Barrons , >>> Subject: Re: Illustrator EPS files >>> >>> Tom, >>> >>> I'm not sure why it wouldn't happen on an NT server (unless the NT server >>> wasn't utilizing AppleShare IP protocol), HOWEVER, Adobe made some changes >>> in Illustrator 9 that affects it's communication with servers (not any >>> specifically) which cause strange things to happen. >>> >>> Although i'm not a production operator, I install server solutions in the >>> pre-press industry and i've heard nothing but disappointment with regards >>> to illustrator 9. Many of my customers have discontinued its use and gone >>> back to version 8 just due to the production problems they've been >>> experiencing. >>> >>> if this problem is only happening with illustrator 9, I would say it's not >>> likely your netatalk configuration. Try doing the same operations with >>> illustrator version 8 and see if the problem persists. if not, then it's >>> very likely Illustrator 9, at which point, i'd suggest contacting Adobe to >>> see if they have a fix. >>> >>> hope this helps. >>> >>> alan >>> >>> At 3:13?? -0500 3.22.01, Tom Barrons wrote: >>>> Hi all, >>>> >>>> I could use some help. I just built a new fileserver for a mixed >>>> Mac/Windows environment, I'm running netatalk and samba. This is only the >>>> second such install I've done. My first one was a while ago and it's been >>>> running great. I tried replicating the problem on my first install >> using the >>>> same files, the first one does not have the problem. >>>> >>>> First machine I'm running Yellow Dog Linux Champion Server 1.1 with >>>> netatalk-1.4b2+asun2.1.3, from an RPM provided with the distrobution. The >>>> new machine having the problem is RedHat 7 also with >>>> netatalk-1.4b2+asun2.1.3, this RPM was from RedHat's site. The two >> machines >>>> are on different networks in different buildings. >>>> >>>> This art department, all Macs, use Adobe Illustrator version 9. If a user >>>> tries saving a file directly to the server as an EPS "occasionally" >> they get >>>> kicked off the server and have to reconnect. They never have this problem >>>> if they save the file locally and then drag copy it over the network, only >>>> if they are saving it from within Illustrator. >>>> >>>> I don't see this as being to big of a problem myself but I can't seem >> to get >>>> them in the habit of doing it this way and not complaining about it. This >>>> didn't used to happen on their old NT server so of course they think the >>>> Linux one is broken and I want to prove otherwise. Everything else on the >>>> Samba/Windows end is working on this new install. >>>> >>>> After skimming through archives of this list I suspected the CRLF >>>> translation and I believe I correctly disabled that by adding -nocrlf to >>>> afpd.conf? I restarted netatlk but the problem persists. >>>> >>>> Since I didn't compile this myself I also wonder about a difference there, >>>> and how could I check for this? Could this still be something in netatalk >>>> or a config somewhere, or should I be looking elsewhere on the server >> or the >>>> network? >>>> >>>> Thanks for any help. >>>> Tom From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Tue Mar 27 11:54:34 2001 Return-Path: Received: from funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.27]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id LAA05503 for ; Tue, 27 Mar 2001 11:54:34 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id LAA00610 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Tue, 27 Mar 2001 11:54:28 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id LAA00569 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Tue, 27 Mar 2001 11:54:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from www.molbio.wisc.edu (www.molbio.wisc.edu [144.92.19.124]) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with SMTP id LAA00409 for ; Tue, 27 Mar 2001 11:54:20 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 7906 invoked by uid 500); 27 Mar 2001 16:54:15 -0000 Received: from localhost (sendmail-bs@127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 27 Mar 2001 16:54:15 -0000 Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 10:54:15 -0600 (CST) From: "Daniel E. Lautenschleger" To: Tom Barrons cc: Subject: Re: Illustrator EPS files In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I would add this (ability to save EPS files via AppleShareIP) to the future feature list as using AppleShare IP is much faster than AppleShare itself. Thanks for the info! -Dan On Tue, 27 Mar 2001, Tom Barrons wrote: > Problem resolved. Thanks to Alan Premselaar for leading me in the right > direction. Hope this info is useful to somebody else should you run into > the same problem. > > It appears that Adobe Illustrator has random problems saving an EPS file > directly to a server when connected via TCP/IP. This art department's old > NT server probably didn't support AppleShareIP and when I set up netatalk > for them it allowed the Mac's to connect via this method for the first time > and the problem showed itself. I just set up another server in afpd.conf > and set the parameter -notcp which forces the Macs who choose this server to > use AppleTalk instead. Then I asked a few of the artists to try this server > instead and they have not reported the problem since. > > > From: alan premselaar > > Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 15:40:33 -0800 > > To: Tom Barrons > > Subject: Re: Illustrator EPS files > > > > Was the NT machine running 4.0? if so, chances are it wasn't supporting > > ASIP unless you got some 3rd party ASIP drivers installed. > > > > that would probably be a good test too, forcing an appletalk connection... > > > > you might also want to test it on your current share (with -tcp enabled) > > but when you select the server from the chooser, hold down the option key > > and double-click it... that'll force an appletalk (NOT ASIP) connection and > > probably give you a decent testbed as well... > > > > you can always check your connection type on the mac by highlighting the > > server volume and doing a getinfo on it... it'll tell you it's connected > > via appletalk or via TCP/IP with an IP address. > > > > goodluck, i'm interested in the results. > > > > alan > > > >> Alan, > >> > >> I am going to take your advice and ask some of the artists to see if version > >> 8 has the same issue, that will be good to know though I don't think I could > >> convince the entire department to downgrade to 8 or just sit patiently and > >> wait for Adobe to fix it. > >> > >> You know what though, I didn't even think about the ASIP being a potential. > >> I don't think the NT server was utilizing that. No way to know now though, > >> since that was on the same machine and now its running RedHat. I'm going to > >> set up another netatalk share with the -notcp parameter and see if they > >> still have the problem. > >> > >> Thanks, > >> Tom > >> > >>> From: alan premselaar > >>> Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 14:23:14 -0800 > >>> To: Tom Barrons , > >>> Subject: Re: Illustrator EPS files > >>> > >>> Tom, > >>> > >>> I'm not sure why it wouldn't happen on an NT server (unless the NT server > >>> wasn't utilizing AppleShare IP protocol), HOWEVER, Adobe made some changes > >>> in Illustrator 9 that affects it's communication with servers (not any > >>> specifically) which cause strange things to happen. > >>> > >>> Although i'm not a production operator, I install server solutions in the > >>> pre-press industry and i've heard nothing but disappointment with regards > >>> to illustrator 9. Many of my customers have discontinued its use and gone > >>> back to version 8 just due to the production problems they've been > >>> experiencing. > >>> > >>> if this problem is only happening with illustrator 9, I would say it's not > >>> likely your netatalk configuration. Try doing the same operations with > >>> illustrator version 8 and see if the problem persists. if not, then it's > >>> very likely Illustrator 9, at which point, i'd suggest contacting Adobe to > >>> see if they have a fix. > >>> > >>> hope this helps. > >>> > >>> alan > >>> > >>> At 3:13?? -0500 3.22.01, Tom Barrons wrote: > >>>> Hi all, > >>>> > >>>> I could use some help. I just built a new fileserver for a mixed > >>>> Mac/Windows environment, I'm running netatalk and samba. This is only the > >>>> second such install I've done. My first one was a while ago and it's been > >>>> running great. I tried replicating the problem on my first install > >> using the > >>>> same files, the first one does not have the problem. > >>>> > >>>> First machine I'm running Yellow Dog Linux Champion Server 1.1 with > >>>> netatalk-1.4b2+asun2.1.3, from an RPM provided with the distrobution. The > >>>> new machine having the problem is RedHat 7 also with > >>>> netatalk-1.4b2+asun2.1.3, this RPM was from RedHat's site. The two > >> machines > >>>> are on different networks in different buildings. > >>>> > >>>> This art department, all Macs, use Adobe Illustrator version 9. If a user > >>>> tries saving a file directly to the server as an EPS "occasionally" > >> they get > >>>> kicked off the server and have to reconnect. They never have this problem > >>>> if they save the file locally and then drag copy it over the network, only > >>>> if they are saving it from within Illustrator. > >>>> > >>>> I don't see this as being to big of a problem myself but I can't seem > >> to get > >>>> them in the habit of doing it this way and not complaining about it. This > >>>> didn't used to happen on their old NT server so of course they think the > >>>> Linux one is broken and I want to prove otherwise. Everything else on the > >>>> Samba/Windows end is working on this new install. > >>>> > >>>> After skimming through archives of this list I suspected the CRLF > >>>> translation and I believe I correctly disabled that by adding -nocrlf to > >>>> afpd.conf? I restarted netatlk but the problem persists. > >>>> > >>>> Since I didn't compile this myself I also wonder about a difference there, > >>>> and how could I check for this? Could this still be something in netatalk > >>>> or a config somewhere, or should I be looking elsewhere on the server > >> or the > >>>> network? > >>>> > >>>> Thanks for any help. > >>>> Tom > > > -- Daniel E. Lautenschleger University of Wisconsin R.M. Bock Laboratories Network Administrator and Computer Support dan@www.molbio.wisc.edu From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Tue Mar 27 12:55:43 2001 Return-Path: Received: from funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.27]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id MAA07211 for ; Tue, 27 Mar 2001 12:55:43 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id MAA06089 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Tue, 27 Mar 2001 12:55:36 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id MAA06030 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Tue, 27 Mar 2001 12:55:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from bowman.scf.orst.edu (bowman.SCF.ORST.EDU [128.193.161.87]) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id MAA05975 for ; Tue, 27 Mar 2001 12:55:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (morgan@localhost) by bowman.scf.orst.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA17059; Tue, 27 Mar 2001 09:55:37 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: bowman.scf.orst.edu: morgan owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 09:55:37 -0800 (PST) From: andrew morgan X-Sender: To: , Subject: Another reason to go GPL Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Here's another reason we should go GPL with netatalk. Samba has a piece of code which does quotas on Veritas File Systems which I need to use at our site. Same problem as the file locking code though. We can't take GPL code and place it in netatalk without releasing netatalk as GPL. I may be able to get permission from the author of that particular piece of code to include it in netatalk anyways, but the samba project itself will not release the code for our use. GPL - just do it. :P Andy From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Tue Mar 27 13:10:22 2001 Return-Path: Received: from funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.27]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id NAA07460 for ; Tue, 27 Mar 2001 13:10:22 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id NAA00454 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Tue, 27 Mar 2001 13:10:16 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id NAA00439 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Tue, 27 Mar 2001 13:10:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.byte-productions.com (mail.byte-productions.com [12.32.73.213]) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id NAA00392 for ; Tue, 27 Mar 2001 13:10:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from [12.32.73.194] (byte-1.byte-productions.com [12.32.73.194]) by mail.byte-productions.com (8.9.3/8.8.7) with ESMTP id NAA14697 for ; Tue, 27 Mar 2001 13:11:32 -0500 User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 13:10:11 -0500 Subject: RE: Illustrator EPS files From: Tom Barrons To: netatalk Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Dan, Actually I don't think my trials indicate the problem is netatalk, it might be Illustrator that has the problem. As Alan suggested Adobe may have mad a change in version 9 that is the culprit. Since I don't own Apple's AppleShare IP Server, I can't test it to verify either case. I'm going to post my findings to Adobe and then keep an eye on their site to see if they patch it cause I too would like this art department to us the faster connection. Which technically they can do by saving the file to their local workstations and then copying it over the network to the server (which I'd rather they did anyhow). Though If it can be proven to be a netatalk issue it probably should be added as a future feature to relieve frustration for network admins, because as I can attest to it's hard to break the old bad habbits of an entire art department. > From: "Daniel E. Lautenschleger" > Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 10:54:15 -0600 (CST) > To: Tom Barrons > Cc: > Subject: Re: Illustrator EPS files > > I would add this (ability to save EPS files via AppleShareIP) to the > future feature list as using AppleShare IP is much faster than AppleShare > itself. > > Thanks for the info! > > -Dan > From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Tue Mar 27 13:11:34 2001 Return-Path: Received: from easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.26]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id NAA07484 for ; Tue, 27 Mar 2001 13:11:34 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id NAA28603 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Tue, 27 Mar 2001 13:11:34 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id NAA28561 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Tue, 27 Mar 2001 13:11:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from potsdam.edu (potsdam.edu [137.143.110.101]) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with SMTP id NAA28534 for ; Tue, 27 Mar 2001 13:11:32 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 2268 invoked by alias); 27 Mar 2001 18:11:39 -0000 Received: (qmail 2253 invoked by uid 0); 27 Mar 2001 18:11:38 -0000 Received: from comp10574.potsdam.edu (HELO mail.potsdam.edu) (137.143.111.133) by potsdam.edu with SMTP; 27 Mar 2001 18:11:38 -0000 Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 13:11:28 -0500 From: Matthew Keller To: andrew morgan Cc: netatalk-devel@lists.sourceforge.net, netatalk-admins@umich.edu Subject: Re: [Netatalk-devel] Another reason to go GPL Message-ID: <20010327131128.G1212@comp10574.potsdam.edu> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: ; from morgan@orst.edu on Tue, Mar 27, 2001 at 12:55:37 -0500 X-Mailer: Balsa 1.1.2 Lines: 62 While we're on this topic, I just shut down the licensing survey on the SourceForge site. The results were pretty much as reflected in the lists: (please remember that this survey was not scientific, just a tool used to gauge overall opinions and such. It didn't appear to have any instances of ballot-stuffing - Thank you all for your cooperation on that). Where to go from here? I don't know. After we get 1.5 out the door, this will become more important. (++ = 1, + = 2, 0 = 3, - = 4, -- = 5) Keep BSD-style licensing: 3 ++ 1 + 1 0 1 - GPL all of Netatalk 6 ++ 4 + 2 0 LGPL lib, GPL everything else 3 ++ 5 + 1 0 1 - LGPL all of Netatalk 2 ++ 1 + 5 0 3 - On 2001.03.27 12:55:37 -0500 andrew morgan wrote: > > Here's another reason we should go GPL with netatalk. Samba has a piece > of code which does quotas on Veritas File Systems which I need to use at > our site. Same problem as the file locking code though. We can't take > GPL code and place it in netatalk without releasing netatalk as GPL. > > I may be able to get permission from the author of that particular piece > of code to include it in netatalk anyways, but the samba project itself > will not release the code for our use. > > GPL - just do it. :P > > Andy > > > _______________________________________________ > Netatalk-devel mailing list > Netatalk-devel@lists.sourceforge.net > http://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/netatalk-devel > > -- Matthew Keller Enterprise System Analyst Computing & Technology Services Information Services Division State University of NY at Potsdam http://mattwork.potsdam.edu/ From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Tue Mar 27 13:27:21 2001 Return-Path: Received: from funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.27]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id NAA07831 for ; Tue, 27 Mar 2001 13:27:20 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id NAA28083 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Tue, 27 Mar 2001 13:27:14 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id NAA27990 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Tue, 27 Mar 2001 13:27:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from www.molbio.wisc.edu (www.molbio.wisc.edu [144.92.19.124]) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with SMTP id NAA27910 for ; Tue, 27 Mar 2001 13:27:09 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 7995 invoked by uid 500); 27 Mar 2001 18:27:03 -0000 Received: from localhost (sendmail-bs@127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 27 Mar 2001 18:27:03 -0000 Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 12:27:03 -0600 (CST) From: "Daniel E. Lautenschleger" To: andrew morgan cc: , Subject: Re: Another reason to go GPL In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Here, here! Let's go GPL... -Dan On Tue, 27 Mar 2001, andrew morgan wrote: > > Here's another reason we should go GPL with netatalk. Samba has a piece > of code which does quotas on Veritas File Systems which I need to use at > our site. Same problem as the file locking code though. We can't take > GPL code and place it in netatalk without releasing netatalk as GPL. > > I may be able to get permission from the author of that particular piece > of code to include it in netatalk anyways, but the samba project itself > will not release the code for our use. > > GPL - just do it. :P > > Andy > > -- Daniel E. Lautenschleger University of Wisconsin R.M. Bock Laboratories Network Administrator and Computer Support dan@www.molbio.wisc.edu From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Tue Mar 27 13:28:50 2001 Return-Path: Received: from funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.27]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id NAA07877 for ; Tue, 27 Mar 2001 13:28:50 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id NAA00410 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Tue, 27 Mar 2001 13:28:44 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id NAA00372 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Tue, 27 Mar 2001 13:28:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from postal.interaccess.com (from.interaccess.com [207.208.131.20]) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id NAA00300 for ; Tue, 27 Mar 2001 13:28:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from [192.168.1.118] (a10.240.208.207.ded25.interaccess.com [207.208.240.10]) by postal.interaccess.com (8.10.2/8.10.2) with ESMTP id f2RISWO20678 for ; Tue, 27 Mar 2001 12:28:32 -0600 (CST) User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 12:27:38 -0600 Subject: Re: Another reason to go GPL From: "Bruce A. Burdick, Jr." To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit A reason not to go GPL: companies will be less likely to assist with development if they can't release their own version without being _compelled_ to give away everything they've done on it. Perhaps Samba should consider the BSD license. GPL: please don't. -B... > From: andrew morgan > Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 09:55:37 -0800 (PST) > To: , > Subject: Another reason to go GPL > Resent-From: netatalk-admins@umich.edu > Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 13:04:14 -0500 (EST) > > > Here's another reason we should go GPL with netatalk. Samba has a piece > of code which does quotas on Veritas File Systems which I need to use at > our site. Same problem as the file locking code though. We can't take > GPL code and place it in netatalk without releasing netatalk as GPL. > > I may be able to get permission from the author of that particular piece > of code to include it in netatalk anyways, but the samba project itself > will not release the code for our use. > > GPL - just do it. :P > > Andy > From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Tue Mar 27 13:29:04 2001 Return-Path: Received: from funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.27]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id NAA07897 for ; Tue, 27 Mar 2001 13:29:04 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id NAA00837 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Tue, 27 Mar 2001 13:28:57 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id NAA00808 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Tue, 27 Mar 2001 13:28:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtpout.mac.com (smtpout.mac.com [204.179.120.89]) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id NAA00745 for ; Tue, 27 Mar 2001 13:28:55 -0500 (EST) Received: by smtpout.mac.com; Tue, 27 Mar 2001 10:26:59 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <200103271826.KAA10847@smtpout.mac.com> Received: from asmtp01.mac.com ([10.13.10.65]) by smtp-relay01.mac.com (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with ESMTP id GAVCKZ00.A1I for ; Tue, 27 Mar 2001 10:26:59 -0800 Received: from localhost ([213.97.106.73]) by asmtp01.mac.com (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with ESMTP id GAVCKX00.NDM for ; Tue, 27 Mar 2001 10:26:57 -0800 Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 20:26:21 +0200 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.387) From: Jason Quigley To: netatalk-admins@umich.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v387) In-Reply-To: <005601c0b37f$fca8bff0$190200c0@gpagnard> Subject: Mac OS X and netatalk... Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I don't know if anybody else has been testing this combo recently. I tested with the public beta and had no success copying or moving files. Now, it appears to have gone from bad to worse, I cannot even connect to the server. It connection "unexpectedly" closed. The second time I tried connecting, I had a kernel panic (not me personally, though close :-) Apple still has a way to go to get this up and running, so if you're planning on buying public beta 2, don't bother for a while. I hope not too many people have invested money in this yet. BTW - It's still as slow as the PB too, if not slower. All those reports you've read on the web are rubbish. I think it's just geeks playing with techie things as opposed to using it in the real world. Cheers, Jason. From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Tue Mar 27 13:34:05 2001 Return-Path: Received: from funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.27]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id NAA08078 for ; Tue, 27 Mar 2001 13:34:04 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id NAA09051 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Tue, 27 Mar 2001 13:33:58 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id NAA09030 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Tue, 27 Mar 2001 13:33:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from mcfeely.interaccess.com (from.interaccess.com [207.208.131.20]) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id NAA08774 for ; Tue, 27 Mar 2001 13:33:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from [192.168.1.118] (a10.240.208.207.ded25.interaccess.com [207.208.240.10]) by mcfeely.interaccess.com (8.10.2/8.10.2) with ESMTP id f2RIXrB04070 for ; Tue, 27 Mar 2001 12:33:53 -0600 (CST) User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 12:32:52 -0600 Subject: Re: Illustrator EPS files From: "Bruce A. Burdick, Jr." To: netatalk Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Mac OS 9.1 can share via TCP/IP. That may help your testing. -B... > From: Tom Barrons > Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 13:10:11 -0500 > To: netatalk > Subject: RE: Illustrator EPS files > Resent-From: netatalk-admins@umich.edu > Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 13:19:38 -0500 (EST) > > Dan, Actually I don't think my trials indicate the problem is netatalk, it > might be Illustrator that has the problem. As Alan suggested Adobe may have > mad a change in version 9 that is the culprit. Since I don't own Apple's > AppleShare IP Server, I can't test it to verify either case. > > I'm going to post my findings to Adobe and then keep an eye on their site to > see if they patch it cause I too would like this art department to us the > faster connection. Which technically they can do by saving the file to > their local workstations and then copying it over the network to the server > (which I'd rather they did anyhow). > > Though If it can be proven to be a netatalk issue it probably should be > added as a future feature to relieve frustration for network admins, because > as I can attest to it's hard to break the old bad habbits of an entire art > department. > >> From: "Daniel E. Lautenschleger" >> Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 10:54:15 -0600 (CST) >> To: Tom Barrons >> Cc: >> Subject: Re: Illustrator EPS files >> >> I would add this (ability to save EPS files via AppleShareIP) to the >> future feature list as using AppleShare IP is much faster than AppleShare >> itself. >> >> Thanks for the info! >> >> -Dan >> > From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Tue Mar 27 13:41:16 2001 Return-Path: Received: from easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.26]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id NAA08190 for ; Tue, 27 Mar 2001 13:41:16 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id NAA10960 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Tue, 27 Mar 2001 13:41:15 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id NAA10909 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Tue, 27 Mar 2001 13:41:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from trinity.magpage.com (trinity.magpage.com [216.155.0.8]) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id NAA10855 for ; Tue, 27 Mar 2001 13:41:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from [216.155.36.73] ([216.155.36.73]) by trinity.magpage.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id f2RIfC497754 for ; Tue, 27 Mar 2001 13:41:12 -0500 (EST) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: ryannm@mail.magpage.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <200103271826.KAA10847@smtpout.mac.com> References: <200103271826.KAA10847@smtpout.mac.com> Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 13:41:11 -0500 To: netatalk-admins@umich.edu From: Ryan McBeth Subject: Re: Mac OS X and netatalk... Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" If what I've been hearing, and what I've been experimenting with is correct, we are all in for a heck of a time. Straight Appletalk doesn't work anymore. You need an IP address, and then, you can't connect to Machines lower than OS X, although they can connect to you. Unfortunately, I realized this *after* I put it on my iBook. I knew I was going to have problems, but losing straight appletalk is one big problem. Now the only way to transfer files to and from my PC is through connecting and disconnecting a zip drive. Everyone really needs to tread lightly with this new OS. Ryan >I don't know if anybody else has been testing this combo recently. I >tested with the public beta and had no success copying or moving >files. Now, it appears to have gone from bad to worse, I cannot even >connect to the server. It connection "unexpectedly" closed. The >second time I tried connecting, I had a kernel panic (not me >personally, though close :-) > >Apple still has a way to go to get this up and running, so if you're >planning on buying public beta 2, don't bother for a while. I hope >not too many people have invested money in this yet. > >BTW - It's still as slow as the PB too, if not slower. All those >reports you've read on the web are rubbish. I think it's just geeks >playing with techie things as opposed to using it in the real world. > >Cheers, >Jason. __________________________________ Ryan McBeth Systems Administrator, Mobius New Media Voice: (302) 475-9880 x11 FAX: (302) 475-9894 www.mobiusnm.com __________________________________ The secret to not getting burned out is to play at working hard, and not taking things too seriously. - Linus Torvalds From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Tue Mar 27 13:43:01 2001 Return-Path: Received: from funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.27]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id NAA08231 for ; Tue, 27 Mar 2001 13:43:01 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id NAA24074 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Tue, 27 Mar 2001 13:42:55 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id NAA24049 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Tue, 27 Mar 2001 13:42:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from www.molbio.wisc.edu (www.molbio.wisc.edu [144.92.19.124]) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with SMTP id NAA23995 for ; Tue, 27 Mar 2001 13:42:53 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 8046 invoked by uid 500); 27 Mar 2001 18:42:47 -0000 Received: from localhost (sendmail-bs@127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 27 Mar 2001 18:42:47 -0000 Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 12:42:47 -0600 (CST) From: "Daniel E. Lautenschleger" To: Jason Quigley cc: Subject: Re: Mac OS X and netatalk... In-Reply-To: <200103271826.KAA10847@smtpout.mac.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I get the same response. Mar 27 11:00:07 itchy afpd[2804]: login usrdel (uid 500, gid 500) Mar 27 11:00:11 itchy afpd[2804]: dsi_stream_read(0): No such process Mar 27 11:00:11 itchy PAM_pwdb[2804]: (netatalk) session closed for user usrdel Mar 27 11:00:11 itchy afpd[2804]: 0.45KB read, 8.53KB written Mar 27 11:00:11 itchy afpd[2804]: Connection terminated Mar 27 11:00:11 itchy afpd[2370]: server_child[1] 2804 exited 1 On Tue, 27 Mar 2001, Jason Quigley wrote: > I don't know if anybody else has been testing this combo recently. I > tested with the public beta and had no success copying or moving files. > Now, it appears to have gone from bad to worse, I cannot even connect to > the server. It connection "unexpectedly" closed. The second time I tried > connecting, I had a kernel panic (not me personally, though close :-) > > Apple still has a way to go to get this up and running, so if you're > planning on buying public beta 2, don't bother for a while. I hope not > too many people have invested money in this yet. > > BTW - It's still as slow as the PB too, if not slower. All those reports > you've read on the web are rubbish. I think it's just geeks playing with > techie things as opposed to using it in the real world. > > Cheers, > Jason. > > -- Daniel E. Lautenschleger University of Wisconsin R.M. Bock Laboratories Network Administrator and Computer Support dan@www.molbio.wisc.edu From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Tue Mar 27 13:44:30 2001 Return-Path: Received: from easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.26]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id NAA08272 for ; Tue, 27 Mar 2001 13:44:29 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id NAA15566 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Tue, 27 Mar 2001 13:44:27 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id NAA15555 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Tue, 27 Mar 2001 13:44:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from www.molbio.wisc.edu (www.molbio.wisc.edu [144.92.19.124]) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with SMTP id NAA15485 for ; Tue, 27 Mar 2001 13:44:25 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 8054 invoked by uid 500); 27 Mar 2001 18:44:13 -0000 Received: from localhost (sendmail-bs@127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 27 Mar 2001 18:44:13 -0000 Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 12:44:13 -0600 (CST) From: "Daniel E. Lautenschleger" To: "Bruce A. Burdick, Jr." cc: Subject: Re: Another reason to go GPL In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Well, I'd say we really don't have a long history of companies just itchin' to help with Netatalk anyways. -Dan On Tue, 27 Mar 2001, Bruce A. Burdick, Jr. wrote: > A reason not to go GPL: companies will be less likely to assist with > development if they can't release their own version without being > _compelled_ to give away everything they've done on it. > > Perhaps Samba should consider the BSD license. > > GPL: please don't. > > -B... > > > From: andrew morgan > > Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 09:55:37 -0800 (PST) > > To: , > > Subject: Another reason to go GPL > > Resent-From: netatalk-admins@umich.edu > > Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 13:04:14 -0500 (EST) > > > > > > Here's another reason we should go GPL with netatalk. Samba has a piece > > of code which does quotas on Veritas File Systems which I need to use at > > our site. Same problem as the file locking code though. We can't take > > GPL code and place it in netatalk without releasing netatalk as GPL. > > > > I may be able to get permission from the author of that particular piece > > of code to include it in netatalk anyways, but the samba project itself > > will not release the code for our use. > > > > GPL - just do it. :P > > > > Andy > > > > -- Daniel E. Lautenschleger University of Wisconsin R.M. Bock Laboratories Network Administrator and Computer Support dan@www.molbio.wisc.edu From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Tue Mar 27 13:51:22 2001 Return-Path: Received: from kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.25]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id NAA08464 for ; Tue, 27 Mar 2001 13:51:22 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id NAA09649 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Tue, 27 Mar 2001 13:51:22 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id NAA09617 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Tue, 27 Mar 2001 13:51:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from wolverine.emji.net (wolverine.emji.net [207.22.135.6]) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id NAA09571 for ; Tue, 27 Mar 2001 13:51:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from [0.0.0.0] (sdhcp5.emji.net [207.100.35.248]) by wolverine.emji.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA12123; Tue, 27 Mar 2001 13:48:22 -0500 Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 13:51:13 -0500 From: Scott Every To: Jason Quigley , netatalk-admins@umich.edu Subject: Re: Mac OS X and netatalk... Message-ID: <2009032.985701073@[0.0.0.0]> In-Reply-To: <200103271826.KAA10847@smtpout.mac.com> References: <200103271826.KAA10847@smtpout.mac.com> X-Mailer: Mulberry/2.1.0a2 (Mac OS X) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline actually, i use it in the real world and it runs VERY well on the new pbg4 i do have problems connecting with appletalk servers, but expect that the osx appletalk client is still weak. the server side appletalk is rock solid. bugfixes will come soon i'm sure. if you are running classic reformatting with a clean copy of 9.1 will make things run better. classic is faster than 9.1 native for most things. better yet get rid of classic and its even faster. s --On Tuesday, March 27, 2001 8:26 PM +0200 Jason Quigley wrote: > I don't know if anybody else has been testing this combo recently. I > tested with the public beta and had no success copying or moving files. > Now, it appears to have gone from bad to worse, I cannot even connect to > the server. It connection "unexpectedly" closed. The second time I tried > connecting, I had a kernel panic (not me personally, though close :-) > > Apple still has a way to go to get this up and running, so if you're > planning on buying public beta 2, don't bother for a while. I hope not > too many people have invested money in this yet. > > BTW - It's still as slow as the PB too, if not slower. All those reports > you've read on the web are rubbish. I think it's just geeks playing with > techie things as opposed to using it in the real world. > > Cheers, > Jason. From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Tue Mar 27 14:15:04 2001 Return-Path: Received: from easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.26]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id OAA09240 for ; Tue, 27 Mar 2001 14:15:04 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id OAA27321 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Tue, 27 Mar 2001 14:15:04 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id OAA27296 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Tue, 27 Mar 2001 14:15:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtpout.mac.com (smtpout.mac.com [204.179.120.89]) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id OAA27242 for ; Tue, 27 Mar 2001 14:15:01 -0500 (EST) Received: by smtpout.mac.com; Tue, 27 Mar 2001 11:11:52 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <200103271911.LAA17122@smtpout.mac.com> Received: from asmtp01.mac.com ([10.13.10.65]) by smtp-relay01.mac.com (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with ESMTP id GAVENS00.PZY for ; Tue, 27 Mar 2001 11:11:52 -0800 Received: from localhost ([213.97.106.73]) by asmtp01.mac.com (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with ESMTP id GAVENP00.NDU; Tue, 27 Mar 2001 11:11:49 -0800 Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 21:11:42 +0200 From: Jason Quigley Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Mac OS X and netatalk... Cc: netatalk-admins@umich.edu To: Scott Every X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.387) In-Reply-To: <2009032.985701073@[0.0.0.0]> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v387) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Tuesday, March 27, 2001, at 08:51 pm, Scott Every wrote: > actually, i use it in the real world and it runs VERY well on the new > pbg4 pbg4 says it all. OS X has acceleration for G4 machines. Those of us with with G3's have to live in a world where, in comparison, OS 8.1 feels positively spritely on a 7100/66! ;-) Cheers, Jason. From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Tue Mar 27 14:23:34 2001 Return-Path: Received: from easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.26]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id OAA09595 for ; Tue, 27 Mar 2001 14:23:33 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id OAA09045 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Tue, 27 Mar 2001 14:23:33 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id OAA08970 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Tue, 27 Mar 2001 14:23:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from cmr0.ash.ops.us.uu.net (cmr0.ash.ops.us.uu.net [198.5.241.38]) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id OAA08838 for ; Tue, 27 Mar 2001 14:23:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from imr0.ash.ops.us.uu.net by cmr0.ash.ops.us.uu.net with ESMTP (peer crosschecked as: imr0.ash.ops.us.uu.net [153.39.43.11]) id QQkiev21566 for ; Tue, 27 Mar 2001 19:23:24 GMT Received: from [153.39.168.41] by imr0.ash.ops.us.uu.net with ESMTP (peer crosschecked as: macsupport2.corp.us.uu.net [153.39.168.41]) id QQkiev15948 for ; Tue, 27 Mar 2001 19:20:31 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: zer0@mail.mac.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <200103271826.KAA10847@smtpout.mac.com> References: <200103271826.KAA10847@smtpout.mac.com> Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 14:20:09 -0500 To: netatalk-admins@umich.edu From: David Subject: Re: Mac OS X and netatalk... Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" I posted earlier last week about this. Same trouble. Although I found that netatalk-1.4b2+asun2.1.4 works! I don't see how we could use DHX, just cleartext and 2way with the .passwd file. Temporary solution I hope. David Shaub >I don't know if anybody else has been testing this combo recently. I >tested with the public beta and had no success copying or moving >files. Now, it appears to have gone from bad to worse, I cannot even >connect to the server. It connection "unexpectedly" closed. The >second time I tried connecting, I had a kernel panic (not me >personally, though close :-) > >Apple still has a way to go to get this up and running, so if you're >planning on buying public beta 2, don't bother for a while. I hope >not too many people have invested money in this yet. > >BTW - It's still as slow as the PB too, if not slower. All those >reports you've read on the web are rubbish. I think it's just geeks >playing with techie things as opposed to using it in the real world. > >Cheers, >Jason. From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Tue Mar 27 14:31:13 2001 Return-Path: Received: from easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.26]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id OAA09829 for ; Tue, 27 Mar 2001 14:31:13 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id OAA20043 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Tue, 27 Mar 2001 14:31:13 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id OAA19776 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Tue, 27 Mar 2001 14:31:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.iu13.k12.pa.us (mail.iu13.k12.pa.us [204.171.195.51]) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id OAA19667 for ; Tue, 27 Mar 2001 14:30:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from pegmatite.iu13.k12.pa.us (pegmatite.iu13.k12.pa.us [172.19.5.97]) by mail.iu13.k12.pa.us (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA27893; Tue, 27 Mar 2001 14:30:32 -0500 Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by pegmatite.iu13.k12.pa.us with ESMTP id f2RJUW705758; Tue, 27 Mar 2001 14:30:32 -0500 Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 14:30:32 -0500 (EST) From: "Kevin M. Myer" To: cc: Subject: Local desktop aliases point to wrong server documents/folders Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hi, We are running netatalk-1.5pre3 under Linux 2.2.17 on x86 hardware. Recently, it was brought to my attention that some users are experiencing problems with local desktop aliases having the original source being changed, apparently at random. For example, each user has a folder in their home directory called MyDocuments. One user logged on, made an alias on his desktop of MyDocuments and began to work. At one point, before his very eyes, the alias changed from a folder to a trash can and when I did a Get Info, the alias now pointed to Network Trash. Strange. This was on a ruby iMac running MacOS 9.1; another ruby iMac user has reported similar problems and she is running either 9.0.4 or 9.1. I have not been able to duplicate on my machine this problem. I see that the symptoms are also available from another OS at http://www.macwindows.com/servtips.html, namely the portion about "jumping alias" problem (not to be confused with the jumping icons). That was with Windows NT 4 and apparently there isn't a known fix. Throw into the mix that I've pretty much confirmed that Apple Menu Items does strange things with any server aliased in Recent Server Items and I'm not sure whether to blame MacOS, netatalk, Apple Menu Items, or just gremlins. I could see this being a problem resulting from non-persistent DIDs with netatalk, except that the aliases on the desktop change _during_ a single login, not across multiple afpd instances (i.e. right smack dab in the middle of doing work, the alias will change to a different original source). I could definitely see this being an Apple Menu CDEV problem, since the original problem I discovered with that was that when you accessed a server using Recent Server Items, aliases on the server pointed to the wrong place. Accessed via Chooser or via an alias on the desktop, the aliases worked. I'm going to try disabling that control panel and see if the problem goes away on the two problem machines. I'm curious what anyone else makes of this and if they have experienced simliar symptoms. If so, drop me a line. -- Kevin M. Myer Systems Administrator Lancaster-Lebanon Intermediate Unit 13 (717)-560-6140 From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Tue Mar 27 14:32:30 2001 Return-Path: Received: from funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.27]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id OAA09871 for ; Tue, 27 Mar 2001 14:32:30 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id OAA19772 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Tue, 27 Mar 2001 14:32:23 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id OAA19163 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Tue, 27 Mar 2001 14:31:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from wolverine.emji.net (wolverine.emji.net [207.22.135.6]) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id OAA19021 for ; Tue, 27 Mar 2001 14:31:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from [0.0.0.0] (sdhcp5.emji.net [207.100.35.248]) by wolverine.emji.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA18400; Tue, 27 Mar 2001 14:29:00 -0500 Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 14:31:53 -0500 From: Scott Every To: Jason Quigley cc: netatalk-admins@umich.edu Subject: Re: Mac OS X and netatalk... Message-ID: <26472.985703512@[0.0.0.0]> In-Reply-To: <200103271911.LAA17124@smtpout.mac.com> References: <200103271911.LAA17124@smtpout.mac.com> X-Mailer: Mulberry/2.1.0a2 (Mac OS X) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline i used th db on an ibook 300 for over a month as my only machine and had no problems other than classic was terrible in the beta. i imagine that configured correctly, it will run just fine. the key is a clean classic OS with no extra extensions. let me repeat...classic works suprisingly well with most apps. s --On Tuesday, March 27, 2001 9:11 PM +0200 Jason Quigley wrote: > On Tuesday, March 27, 2001, at 08:51 pm, Scott Every wrote: > >> actually, i use it in the real world and it runs VERY well on the new >> pbg4 > > pbg4 says it all. OS X has acceleration for G4 machines. Those of us with > with G3's have to live in a world where, in comparison, OS 8.1 feels > positively spritely on a 7100/66! ;-) > > Cheers, > Jason. From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Tue Mar 27 15:06:25 2001 Return-Path: Received: from kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.25]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id PAA10714 for ; Tue, 27 Mar 2001 15:06:25 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id PAA21897 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Tue, 27 Mar 2001 15:06:25 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id PAA21879 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Tue, 27 Mar 2001 15:06:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from potsdam.edu (potsdam.edu [137.143.110.101]) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with SMTP id PAA21827 for ; Tue, 27 Mar 2001 15:06:22 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 14411 invoked by alias); 27 Mar 2001 20:06:25 -0000 Received: (qmail 14398 invoked by uid 0); 27 Mar 2001 20:06:24 -0000 Received: from comp10574.potsdam.edu (HELO mail.potsdam.edu) (137.143.111.133) by potsdam.edu with SMTP; 27 Mar 2001 20:06:24 -0000 Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 15:06:15 -0500 From: Matthew Keller To: "Bruce A. Burdick, Jr." Cc: netatalk-admins@umich.edu Subject: Re: Another reason to go GPL Message-ID: <20010327150615.O1212@comp10574.potsdam.edu> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: ; from bucky@interaccess.com on Tue, Mar 27, 2001 at 13:27:38 -0500 X-Mailer: Balsa 1.1.2 Lines: 27 On 2001.03.27 13:27:38 -0500 "Bruce A. Burdick, Jr." wrote: > A reason not to go GPL: companies will be less likely to assist with > development if they can't release their own version without being > _compelled_ to give away everything they've done on it. Couch that as "some companies" and I'll whole-heartedly agree with you. There are others who won't assist because their contributions aren't guaranteed free. For example, company X adds widget support to Netatalk, company Y - under the BSD license - can take that widget support code and add it to their proprietary product. I've worked with a lot more clients/companies that dislike the BSD license for those reasons, than don't want to be forced to commit code (although they do exist, don't get me wrong). > Perhaps Samba should consider the BSD license. This has been discussed a number of times, and always met with overwhelming rejection. -- Matthew Keller Enterprise System Analyst Computing & Technology Services Information Services Division State University of NY at Potsdam http://mattwork.potsdam.edu/ From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Tue Mar 27 15:13:46 2001 Return-Path: Received: from kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.25]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id PAA10858 for ; Tue, 27 Mar 2001 15:13:46 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id PAA02771 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Tue, 27 Mar 2001 15:13:46 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id PAA02747 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Tue, 27 Mar 2001 15:13:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from mathserv.math.ohio-state.edu (mathserv.math.ohio-state.edu [128.146.111.31]) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id PAA02717 for ; Tue, 27 Mar 2001 15:13:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from math.ohio-state.edu (IDENT:postfix@hooloovoo.math.ohio-state.edu [128.146.111.37]) by mathserv.math.ohio-state.edu (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id f2RKDgH29784; Tue, 27 Mar 2001 15:13:42 -0500 Received: by math.ohio-state.edu (Postfix, from userid 2405) id D5207B65F; Tue, 27 Mar 2001 15:13:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by math.ohio-state.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id BEEFEB65E; Tue, 27 Mar 2001 15:13:41 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 15:13:41 -0500 (EST) From: Chad Cunningham To: Scott Every Cc: Jason Quigley , Subject: Re: Mac OS X and netatalk... In-Reply-To: <26472.985703512@[0.0.0.0]> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I agree, I've got the final release on an iBook G3 300 and it works great. The slowness associated with PB is gone, doesn't get hung up switching active windows, etc. Apps are still a bit slow to launch, but waking up from sleep is much much faster. Speed on classic apps is excellent, much much better than PB. Really, I think it will run fine on any G3 with sufficient ram (at least 128 if you want to use classic). On Tue, 27 Mar 2001, Scott Every wrote: > i used th db on an ibook 300 for over a month as my only machine and had no > problems other than classic was terrible in the beta. i imagine that > configured correctly, it will run just fine. the key is a clean classic OS > with no extra extensions. > > let me repeat...classic works suprisingly well with most apps. > > s > > --On Tuesday, March 27, 2001 9:11 PM +0200 Jason Quigley > wrote: > > > On Tuesday, March 27, 2001, at 08:51 pm, Scott Every wrote: > > > >> actually, i use it in the real world and it runs VERY well on the new > >> pbg4 > > > > pbg4 says it all. OS X has acceleration for G4 machines. Those of us with > > with G3's have to live in a world where, in comparison, OS 8.1 feels > > positively spritely on a 7100/66! ;-) > > > > Cheers, > > Jason. > > -- Chad Cunningham ccunning@math.ohio-state.edu "Well, once again my friend, we find that science is a two-headed beast. One head is nice, it gives us aspirin and other modern conveniences,...but the other head of science is bad! Oh beware the other head of science, Arthur, it bites!" From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Tue Mar 27 15:37:59 2001 Return-Path: Received: from easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.26]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id PAA11886 for ; Tue, 27 Mar 2001 15:37:59 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id PAA22650 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Tue, 27 Mar 2001 15:37:59 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id PAA22630 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Tue, 27 Mar 2001 15:37:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtpout.mac.com (smtpout.mac.com [204.179.120.88]) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id PAA22581 for ; Tue, 27 Mar 2001 15:37:57 -0500 (EST) Received: by smtpout.mac.com; Tue, 27 Mar 2001 12:31:42 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <200103272031.MAA27837@smtpout.mac.com> Received: from asmtp02.mac.com ([10.13.10.66]) by smtp-relay01.mac.com (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with ESMTP id GAVICT00.057 for ; Tue, 27 Mar 2001 12:31:41 -0800 Received: from localhost ([213.97.106.73]) by asmtp02.mac.com (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with ESMTP id GAVICR00.SCK for ; Tue, 27 Mar 2001 12:31:39 -0800 Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 22:31:31 +0200 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.387) From: Jason Quigley To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v387) In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: Mac OS X and netatalk... Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Everybody is talking about Classic here. Granted, that's faster, but things like re-sizing windows and using the finder are just as slow, even if they do look prettier. Cheers, Jason. On Tuesday, March 27, 2001, at 10:13 pm, Chad Cunningham wrote: > > I agree, I've got the final release on an iBook G3 300 and it works > great. > The slowness associated with PB is gone, doesn't get hung up switching > active windows, etc. Apps are still a bit slow to launch, but waking up > from sleep is much much faster. Speed on classic apps is excellent, much > much better than PB. > > Really, I think it will run fine on any G3 with sufficient ram (at least > 128 if you want to use classic). > From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Tue Mar 27 15:50:57 2001 Return-Path: Received: from easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.26]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id PAA12461 for ; Tue, 27 Mar 2001 15:50:57 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id PAA10606 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Tue, 27 Mar 2001 15:50:57 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id PAA10584 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Tue, 27 Mar 2001 15:50:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from keam1 (keam1.vcc.bc.ca [142.30.247.21]) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with SMTP id PAA10528 for ; Tue, 27 Mar 2001 15:50:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from VCC-Message_Server by keam1 with Novell_GroupWise; Tue, 27 Mar 2001 12:52:36 -0800 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 5.5.4.1 Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 12:52:16 -0800 From: "Bryn Hughes" To: Subject: Re: Local desktop aliases point to wrong server documents/folders Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu id PAA12461 I've had exactly the same problems. Aliases TO folders the server get very screwy. Some software, such as Assimilator which uses aliases to track it's source folder get very upset with this. Strangely enough, I haven't had much of a problem with aliases to Applications, only to folders. Bryn >>> "Kevin M. Myer" 03/27/01 11:30AM >>> Hi, We are running netatalk-1.5pre3 under Linux 2.2.17 on x86 hardware. Recently, it was brought to my attention that some users are experiencing problems with local desktop aliases having the original source being changed, apparently at random. For example, each user has a folder in their home directory called MyDocuments. One user logged on, made an alias on his desktop of MyDocuments and began to work. At one point, before his very eyes, the alias changed from a folder to a trash can and when I did a Get Info, the alias now pointed to Network Trash. Strange. This was on a ruby iMac running MacOS 9.1; another ruby iMac user has reported similar problems and she is running either 9.0.4 or 9.1. I have not been able to duplicate on my machine this problem. I see that the symptoms are also available from another OS at http://www.macwindows.com/servtips.html, namely the portion about "jumping alias" problem (not to be confused with the jumping icons). That was with Windows NT 4 and apparently there isn't a known fix. Throw into the mix that I've pretty much confirmed that Apple Menu Items does strange things with any server aliased in Recent Server Items and I'm not sure whether to blame MacOS, netatalk, Apple Menu Items, or just gremlins. I could see this being a problem resulting from non-persistent DIDs with netatalk, except that the aliases on the desktop change _during_ a single login, not across multiple afpd instances (i.e. right smack dab in the middle of doing work, the alias will change to a different original source). I could definitely see this being an Apple Menu CDEV problem, since the original problem I discovered with that was that when you accessed a server using Recent Server Items, aliases on the server pointed to the wrong place. Accessed via Chooser or via an alias on the desktop, the aliases worked. I'm going to try disabling that control panel and see if the problem goes away on the two problem machines. I'm curious what anyone else makes of this and if they have experienced simliar symptoms. If so, drop me a line. -- Kevin M. Myer Systems Administrator Lancaster-Lebanon Intermediate Unit 13 (717)-560-6140 From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Tue Mar 27 16:12:06 2001 Return-Path: Received: from funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.27]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id QAA13021 for ; Tue, 27 Mar 2001 16:12:05 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id QAA05110 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Tue, 27 Mar 2001 16:11:59 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id QAA05084 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Tue, 27 Mar 2001 16:11:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from mta4-rme.xtra.co.nz (mta4-rme.xtra.co.nz [203.96.92.15]) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id QAA04999 for ; Tue, 27 Mar 2001 16:11:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from [192.168.1.112] ([210.54.213.206]) by mta4-rme.xtra.co.nz with ESMTP id <20010327211211.OHXQ13542196.mta4-rme.xtra.co.nz@[192.168.1.112]> for ; Wed, 28 Mar 2001 09:12:11 +1200 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: darena6@pop3.xtra.co.nz Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <200103272031.MAA27837@smtpout.mac.com> References: <200103272031.MAA27837@smtpout.mac.com> Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 09:12:04 +1200 To: Netatalk-Admins@umich.edu From: Marcus Radich Subject: Re: Mac OS X and netatalk... Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" OK, it's slower. Bugger. Next topic. For those of you who are reasonably new to the Mac platform, I can tell you from experience: System 1.1 was faster than System 4.2 System 6.0.7 was MUCH faster than System 7 System 7.6.1 was MUCH faster than Mac OS 8. I went back and forward between System 6.0.5 and System 7 SEVERAL times on my SE/30 back in 1991. System 6.0.5 was a ROCKET on the SE/30, System 7 was a DOG! Today, we don't run 6.0.5, we got over it, we accepted 7, it turned out better after 7.1, we moved on. Think about it. mrad01 BTW, netatalk 1.4b2+asun 214 -37b works very well with Mac OS X as long as you add the DEFS= -DFLOCKS thingy to the sys/Linux/Makefile before you compile. I haven't tried 1.5. You can only connect via IP (great!) and transferring files large and small has worked for me since 4K46 mrad01 At 10:31 PM +0200 27/3/2001, Jason Quigley wrote: >Everybody is talking about Classic here. Granted, that's faster, but >things like re-sizing windows and using the finder are just as slow, >even if they do look prettier. > >Cheers, >Jason. > > >On Tuesday, March 27, 2001, at 10:13 pm, Chad Cunningham wrote: > >> >>I agree, I've got the final release on an iBook G3 300 and it works great. >>The slowness associated with PB is gone, doesn't get hung up switching >>active windows, etc. Apps are still a bit slow to launch, but waking up >>from sleep is much much faster. Speed on classic apps is excellent, much >>much better than PB. >> >>Really, I think it will run fine on any G3 with sufficient ram (at least >>128 if you want to use classic). -- ======================================================== "Always ask the question, never assume the answer." Marcus Radich 1999 ======================================================== From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Tue Mar 27 16:24:32 2001 Return-Path: Received: from easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.26]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id QAA13470 for ; Tue, 27 Mar 2001 16:24:32 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id QAA27586 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Tue, 27 Mar 2001 16:24:32 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id QAA27542 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Tue, 27 Mar 2001 16:24:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from changeofhabit.mr.itd.umich.edu (changeofhabit.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.144.17]) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id QAA27481 for ; Tue, 27 Mar 2001 16:24:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from adsl-242-15.ns.itd.umich.edu (adsl-242-15.ns.itd.umich.edu [141.213.242.15]) by changeofhabit.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.2r) with ESMTP id QAA28184; Tue, 27 Mar 2001 16:24:23 -0500 (EST) From: wes@umich.edu Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 16:24:23 -0500 To: andrew morgan cc: netatalk-devel@lists.sourceforge.net, netatalk-admins@umich.edu Subject: Re: Another reason to go GPL Message-ID: <5568488.3194699063@adsl-242-15.ns.itd.umich.edu> In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Mulberry/2.0.6 (MacOS) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline It's no problem to release netatalk under a GPL license, so long as all of the previous licenses are kept. Presuming GPL will allow that, you should do as it suits the current developers. BTW, the volunteer from the sourceforge netatalk team on netatalk@umich.edu is now bouncing mail. Someone from that group should read netatalk@umich.edu since questions about 1.5 go there. :wes --On Tuesday, March 27, 2001 9:55 AM -0800 andrew morgan wrote: > > Here's another reason we should go GPL with netatalk. Samba has a piece > of code which does quotas on Veritas File Systems which I need to use at > our site. Same problem as the file locking code though. We can't take > GPL code and place it in netatalk without releasing netatalk as GPL. > > I may be able to get permission from the author of that particular piece > of code to include it in netatalk anyways, but the samba project itself > will not release the code for our use. > > GPL - just do it. :P > > Andy From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Tue Mar 27 16:46:21 2001 Return-Path: Received: from kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.25]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id QAA14084 for ; Tue, 27 Mar 2001 16:46:21 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id QAA19519 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Tue, 27 Mar 2001 16:46:21 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id QAA19509 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Tue, 27 Mar 2001 16:46:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from cmr1.ash.ops.us.uu.net (cmr1.ash.ops.us.uu.net [198.5.241.39]) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id QAA19494 for ; Tue, 27 Mar 2001 16:46:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from imr2.ash.ops.us.uu.net by cmr1.ash.ops.us.uu.net with ESMTP (peer crosschecked as: imr2.ash.ops.us.uu.net [153.39.43.15]) id QQkiff00300 for ; Tue, 27 Mar 2001 21:46:19 GMT Received: from [153.39.168.41] by imr2.ash.ops.us.uu.net with ESMTP (peer crosschecked as: macsupport2.corp.us.uu.net [153.39.168.41]) id QQkiff20134 for ; Tue, 27 Mar 2001 21:46:02 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: zer0@mail.mac.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <200103272031.MAA27837@smtpout.mac.com> Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 16:45:40 -0500 To: netatalk-admins@umich.edu From: David Subject: Re: Mac OS X and netatalk... Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Marcus, I will give that a try. I hope it works so I can get DHX authentication back. I will try recompiling with the added flag on 1.5 first and see what happens. BTW: What does DEFS=-DFLOCKS do and why does it seem only to affect OS X clients? Just curious if you happen to know. Thanks for helping out, this has been bugging me for a while now. David Shaub > >BTW, netatalk 1.4b2+asun 214 -37b works very well with Mac OS X as >long as you add the DEFS= -DFLOCKS thingy to the sys/Linux/Makefile >before you compile. I haven't tried 1.5. You can only connect via IP >(great!) and transferring files large and small has worked for me >since 4K46 > >mrad01 > From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Tue Mar 27 16:47:18 2001 Return-Path: Received: from easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.26]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id QAA14130 for ; Tue, 27 Mar 2001 16:47:17 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id QAA02829 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Tue, 27 Mar 2001 16:47:17 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id QAA02814 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Tue, 27 Mar 2001 16:47:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from wolverine.emji.net (wolverine.emji.net [207.22.135.6]) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id QAA02762 for ; Tue, 27 Mar 2001 16:47:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from [0.0.0.0] (sdhcp6.emji.net [207.100.35.249]) by wolverine.emji.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA06506; Tue, 27 Mar 2001 16:44:16 -0500 Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 16:47:10 -0500 From: Scott Every To: Jason Quigley , Netatalk-Admins@umich.edu Subject: Re: Mac OS X and netatalk... Message-ID: <513493.985711629@[0.0.0.0]> In-Reply-To: <200103272031.MAA27837@smtpout.mac.com> References: <200103272031.MAA27837@smtpout.mac.com> X-Mailer: Mulberry/2.1.0a2 (Mac OS X) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline right, think 1.0 release of a new os. it WILL get fixed. they had to get this out so developers would stop dragging their feet. of course its not perfect. wait until the first update. s --On Tuesday, March 27, 2001 10:31 PM +0200 Jason Quigley wrote: > Everybody is talking about Classic here. Granted, that's faster, but > things like re-sizing windows and using the finder are just as slow, even > if they do look prettier. > > Cheers, > Jason. > > > On Tuesday, March 27, 2001, at 10:13 pm, Chad Cunningham wrote: > >> >> I agree, I've got the final release on an iBook G3 300 and it works >> great. >> The slowness associated with PB is gone, doesn't get hung up switching >> active windows, etc. Apps are still a bit slow to launch, but waking up >> from sleep is much much faster. Speed on classic apps is excellent, much >> much better than PB. >> >> Really, I think it will run fine on any G3 with sufficient ram (at least >> 128 if you want to use classic). >> From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Tue Mar 27 16:52:53 2001 Return-Path: Received: from kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.25]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id QAA14297 for ; Tue, 27 Mar 2001 16:52:53 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id QAA28230 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Tue, 27 Mar 2001 16:52:53 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id QAA28194 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Tue, 27 Mar 2001 16:52:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from douwe.rotterdam.luna.net (douwe.rotterdam.luna.net [194.151.24.19]) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id QAA28155 for ; Tue, 27 Mar 2001 16:52:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from pikedoos.kw.nl (isdn-static-29-165.rotterdam.luna.net [194.151.29.165]) by douwe.rotterdam.luna.net (8.8.8/8.8.8/chk+rbl+tcpwrp+ismx+p3a) with ESMTP id AAA19360 for ; Wed, 28 Mar 2001 00:04:27 +0200 (CEST) Message-Id: <4.3.1.1.20010327234233.028cd100@museum.kw.nl> X-Sender: pike@museum.kw.nl X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 23:48:24 +0200 To: netatalk-admins@umich.edu From: Pike Subject: package for solaris 7 (sparc,32) ? In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hi I found a package for netatalk on Solaris 8. People say it might work on 7. I hesitate to just go and run the thing blindly, but I don't fancy configuring and compiling netatalk (or building a package) myself either. Does anyone know of a package for Solaris 7 (sparc,32) ? thanks, *-pike *----------pike-------------* " The only reason I see for ever changing the default is the desire to be rebelious " From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Tue Mar 27 16:57:21 2001 Return-Path: Received: from kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.25]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id QAA14413 for ; Tue, 27 Mar 2001 16:57:21 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id QAA04344 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Tue, 27 Mar 2001 16:57:21 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id QAA04320 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Tue, 27 Mar 2001 16:57:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.iu13.k12.pa.us (mail.iu13.k12.pa.us [204.171.195.51]) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id QAA04262 for ; Tue, 27 Mar 2001 16:57:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from pegmatite.iu13.k12.pa.us (pegmatite.iu13.k12.pa.us [172.19.5.97]) by mail.iu13.k12.pa.us (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA03986; Tue, 27 Mar 2001 16:57:00 -0500 Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by pegmatite.iu13.k12.pa.us with ESMTP id f2RLv0F01606; Tue, 27 Mar 2001 16:57:00 -0500 Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 16:57:00 -0500 (EST) From: "Kevin M. Myer" To: cc: Subject: Re: [Netatalk-devel] Local desktop aliases point to wrong server documents/folders In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Ok, after more testing, I've found the cases where this can easily be reproduced. If anyone who is using 1.5preX could test this and see if they can confirm, I'd appreciate it. 1) Open Chooser and login and mount a netatalk volume (note, its important to use Chooser for this!!) 2) Create two aliases of folders or files on the server on your local desktop (for my test case, folder one was inside of folder two but I don't think it matters). 3) Drag the server volume to trash. 4) Reconnect to the server, _without_ using Chooser (i.e. double-click on your freshly created aliases, or use Recent Server Items or...) 5) Check out both of your aliases - if the problem exists, at least one and maybe both will point into LaLa land. It seems that as soon as you don't use Chooser to access a server, something (be it the AppleShare client or the server) changes some sort of mapping so that aliases break. I don't know what is done differently when using the Chooser versus other access methods but this turns out to be the same problem I encountered before and attributed to the Apple Menu Items CDEV. Its not the CDEV thats causing the problems, its something else, since I disabled it totally and the problem still persists. I have two strace'd logs of two afpd (one with Chooser, one with broken aliases logged on without Chooser) and I'll look at them tomorrow to see if that sheds any light on it. In the meantime, if anyone can reproduce this, then I'll at least know its not something with our local setup - guess I should try disabling virus software as well just to be on the safe side. Kevin -- Kevin M. Myer Systems Administrator Lancaster-Lebanon Intermediate Unit 13 (717)-560-6140 From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Tue Mar 27 16:58:04 2001 Return-Path: Received: from easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.26]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id QAA14453 for ; Tue, 27 Mar 2001 16:58:03 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id QAA20969 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Tue, 27 Mar 2001 16:58:03 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id QAA20953 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Tue, 27 Mar 2001 16:58:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from clavin.interaccess.com (from.interaccess.com [207.208.131.20]) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id QAA20931 for ; Tue, 27 Mar 2001 16:58:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from [192.168.1.118] (a10.240.208.207.ded25.interaccess.com [207.208.240.10]) by clavin.interaccess.com (8.10.2/8.10.2) with ESMTP id f2RLw1f17719; Tue, 27 Mar 2001 15:58:01 -0600 (CST) User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 15:57:07 -0600 Subject: Re: Another reason to go GPL From: "Bruce A. Burdick, Jr." To: , Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <5568488.3194699063@adsl-242-15.ns.itd.umich.edu> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit I don't understand how that can work. The GPL, once adopted, establishes a form of compulsion -- it does not allow what you've described. Suppose code from another GPL project is incorporated: the presence of that code prevents netatalk in its entirety from ever being used in a BSD-licensed context without replacing that code. That's how the GPL works. In the long run, it permanently prevents BSD-style freedoms such as using the code in a proprietary release. The code would be balkanized into separate licenses. The licenses don't coexist by covering the whole project. A company who makes such a release would have quite a bit invested in its relationship with the community that developed the base code. Observe Apple and the FreeBSD crowd. GPL effectively eliminates ownership through progressively entangling obligations on the part of the coders. BSD provides a form of shared ownership, in which the codebase may be forked freely as needed and participating developers each retain full discretion regarding the disposition of their work -- public or private. I have not developed a stitch of netatalk. So this is not my decision. But thank you for hearing me out. -B... > From: wes@umich.edu > Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 16:24:23 -0500 > To: andrew morgan > Cc: netatalk-devel@lists.sourceforge.net, netatalk-admins@umich.edu > Subject: Re: Another reason to go GPL > Resent-From: netatalk-admins@umich.edu > Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 16:31:45 -0500 (EST) > > It's no problem to release netatalk under a GPL license, so long as all of > the previous licenses are kept. Presuming GPL will allow that, you should > do as it suits the current developers. > > BTW, the volunteer from the sourceforge netatalk team on netatalk@umich.edu > is now bouncing mail. Someone from that group should read > netatalk@umich.edu > since questions about 1.5 go there. > > :wes > > --On Tuesday, March 27, 2001 9:55 AM -0800 andrew morgan > wrote: > >> >> Here's another reason we should go GPL with netatalk. Samba has a piece >> of code which does quotas on Veritas File Systems which I need to use at >> our site. Same problem as the file locking code though. We can't take >> GPL code and place it in netatalk without releasing netatalk as GPL. >> >> I may be able to get permission from the author of that particular piece >> of code to include it in netatalk anyways, but the samba project itself >> will not release the code for our use. >> >> GPL - just do it. :P >> >> Andy > > > > From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Tue Mar 27 17:18:41 2001 Return-Path: Received: from kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.25]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id RAA15124 for ; Tue, 27 Mar 2001 17:18:41 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id RAA10737 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Tue, 27 Mar 2001 17:18:41 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id RAA10719 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Tue, 27 Mar 2001 17:18:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from www.molbio.wisc.edu (www.molbio.wisc.edu [144.92.19.124]) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with SMTP id RAA10686 for ; Tue, 27 Mar 2001 17:18:40 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 8532 invoked by uid 500); 27 Mar 2001 22:18:28 -0000 Received: from localhost (sendmail-bs@127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 27 Mar 2001 22:18:28 -0000 Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 16:18:28 -0600 (CST) From: "Daniel E. Lautenschleger" To: "Kevin M. Myer" cc: , Subject: Re: [Netatalk-devel] Local desktop aliases point to wrong server documents/folders In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I *can* tell you that this does not occur with netatalk-1.5pre2-4 on a Mac running 9.1. -Dan On Tue, 27 Mar 2001, Kevin M. Myer wrote: > Ok, after more testing, I've found the cases where this can easily be > reproduced. If anyone who is using 1.5preX could test this and see if > they can confirm, I'd appreciate it. > > 1) Open Chooser and login and mount a netatalk volume (note, its important > to use Chooser for this!!) > 2) Create two aliases of folders or files on the server on your local > desktop (for my test case, folder one was inside of folder two but I don't > think it matters). > 3) Drag the server volume to trash. > 4) Reconnect to the server, _without_ using Chooser (i.e. double-click on > your freshly created aliases, or use Recent Server Items or...) > 5) Check out both of your aliases - if the problem exists, at least one > and maybe both will point into LaLa land. > > It seems that as soon as you don't use Chooser to access a server, > something (be it the AppleShare client or the server) changes some sort of > mapping so that aliases break. I don't know what is done differently when > using the Chooser versus other access methods but this turns out to be the > same problem I encountered before and attributed to the Apple Menu Items > CDEV. Its not the CDEV thats causing the problems, its something else, > since I disabled it totally and the problem still persists. > > I have two strace'd logs of two afpd (one with Chooser, one with broken > aliases logged on without Chooser) and I'll look at them tomorrow to see > if that sheds any light on it. In the meantime, if anyone can reproduce > this, then I'll at least know its not something with our local setup - > guess I should try disabling virus software as well just to be on the safe > side. > > Kevin > > -- > Kevin M. Myer > Systems Administrator > Lancaster-Lebanon Intermediate Unit 13 > (717)-560-6140 > > -- Daniel E. Lautenschleger University of Wisconsin R.M. Bock Laboratories Network Administrator and Computer Support dan@www.molbio.wisc.edu From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Tue Mar 27 18:58:08 2001 Return-Path: Received: from kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.25]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id SAA18427 for ; Tue, 27 Mar 2001 18:58:08 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id SAA04449 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Tue, 27 Mar 2001 18:58:08 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id SAA04429 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Tue, 27 Mar 2001 18:58:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from fire-in.newtimes.com (fire-out.newtimes.com [206.138.77.3]) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id SAA04304 for ; Tue, 27 Mar 2001 18:58:02 -0500 (EST) Received: by fire-in.newtimes.com; id SAA24928; Tue, 27 Mar 2001 18:36:54 -0700 (MST) Received: from unknown(206.138.68.212) by fire-in.newtimes.com via smap (V5.0) id xma024345; Tue, 27 Mar 01 18:36:10 -0700 User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 17:55:29 -0600 Subject: Re: Local desktop aliases point to wrong server documents/folder From: Dave Ritter To: "Kevin M. Myer" , , Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <54540@newtimes.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit aliases are broken in netatalk....if they work at all your setup, consider it a fluke... netatalk dose not use persistent directory IDs that aliases require... > From: "Kevin M. Myer" > Reply-To: "Kevin M. Myer" > Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 14:37:22 -0700 > To: > Cc: > Bcc: "Dave Ritter" > Subject: Local desktop aliases point to wrong server documents/folder > > Hi, > > We are running netatalk-1.5pre3 under Linux 2.2.17 on x86 hardware. > Recently, it was brought to my attention that some users are experiencing > problems with local desktop aliases having the original source being > changed, apparently at random. For example, each user has a folder in > their home directory called MyDocuments. One user logged on, made an > alias on his desktop of MyDocuments and began to work. At one point, > before his very eyes, the alias changed from a folder to a trash can and > when I did a Get Info, the alias now pointed to Network Trash. Strange. > This was on a ruby iMac running MacOS 9.1; another ruby iMac user has > reported similar problems and she is running either 9.0.4 or 9.1. I have > not been able to duplicate on my machine this problem. From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Tue Mar 27 19:13:26 2001 Return-Path: Received: from easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.26]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id TAA18910 for ; Tue, 27 Mar 2001 19:13:26 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id TAA16780 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Tue, 27 Mar 2001 19:13:26 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id TAA16769 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Tue, 27 Mar 2001 19:13:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from potsdam.edu (potsdam.edu [137.143.110.101]) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with SMTP id TAA16758 for ; Tue, 27 Mar 2001 19:13:24 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 19253 invoked by alias); 28 Mar 2001 00:13:31 -0000 Received: (qmail 19241 invoked by uid 0); 28 Mar 2001 00:13:30 -0000 Received: from comp10574.potsdam.edu (HELO mail.potsdam.edu) (137.143.111.133) by potsdam.edu with SMTP; 28 Mar 2001 00:13:30 -0000 Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 19:13:21 -0500 From: Matthew Keller To: "Bruce A. Burdick, Jr." Cc: netatalk-admins@umich.edu, netatalk-devel@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: Another reason to go GPL Message-ID: <20010327191321.W1212@comp10574.potsdam.edu> References: <5568488.3194699063@adsl-242-15.ns.itd.umich.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: ; from bucky@interaccess.com on Tue, Mar 27, 2001 at 16:57:07 -0500 X-Mailer: Balsa 1.1.2 Lines: 36 On 2001.03.27 16:57:07 -0500 "Bruce A. Burdick, Jr." wrote: > GPL effectively eliminates ownership through progressively entangling > obligations on the part of the coders. BSD provides a form of shared > ownership, in which the codebase may be forked freely as needed and > participating developers each retain full discretion regarding the > disposition of their work -- public or private. Your e-mail is mostly right-on. I will, however, take issues with your statement that the "participating developers each retain full discretion" with BSD-licensed code. I have written number BSD-licensed programs and applications that snippets or full code trees were taken, and merged into quite famous works, with nothing my name embedded in the binaries if you do a "strings" command on them. The BSD license does not protect the developers, or the code. It allows either to be used as anyone sees fit. Yes, this is the extreme of freedom, which some people like/enjoy/want (and I do as well for certain projects), but to claim that the BSD license gives the developers ANY discretion regarding the code is a fallacy. NOTE: This discussion began on the netatalk-devel@lists.sourceforge.net list - And seems to have started being cross-posted recently onto netatalk-admins@umich.edu. I *HIGHLY* recommend that those on netatalk-admins who are interested in further discussing this, join the netalk-devel list (and read the archives). There has been a lot said about this already, and I for one don't want to have to rehash all of that for a new list. -- Matthew Keller Enterprise System Analyst Computing & Technology Services Information Services Division State University of NY at Potsdam http://mattwork.potsdam.edu/ From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Tue Mar 27 20:02:24 2001 Return-Path: Received: from funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.27]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id UAA20593 for ; Tue, 27 Mar 2001 20:02:24 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id UAA28285 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Tue, 27 Mar 2001 20:02:18 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id UAA28253 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Tue, 27 Mar 2001 20:02:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from smail-7.hanmail.net ([211.62.252.67]) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id UAA28185 for ; Tue, 27 Mar 2001 20:02:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from www6.hanmail.net ([211.32.117.26]) by smail-7.hanmail.net (8.10.0/8.9.1) with ESMTP id f2S0uxi06722; Wed, 28 Mar 2001 09:56:59 +0900 Received: (from hanadmin@localhost) by www6.hanmail.net (8.10.0/8.9.1) id f2S0tAf26875; Wed, 28 Mar 2001 09:55:10 +0900 (KST) X-Originating-IP: [203.241.48.20] From: "ĆÖ“ė±Ō" Reply-To: "ĆÖ“ė±Ō" Organization: »ļ¼ŗĄüĄŚKDC To: netatalk-admins@umich.edu Subject: Please, Help me.....!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! X-Mailer: Daum Web Mailer 1.0 Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 09:55:10 KST Message-Id: <20010328095510.HM.50000000001huZs@www6.hanmail.net> Errors-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=euc-kr Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Dear, Mike Clark At the first, I Thanks GOD for I meet you on e-mail. I am isaac in korea. I'm in kwangwoon univ. I'm sorry that, I'm not good at english.. I need your help about your netatalk program on unix. I know that,If user access host, host assign athurity to user by fork() event. And, after user athentication, afpd is empower user be able to access-files. But I don't know after that. I hope know, How many files user access and, Where is that part in C programs. Please,give me your mercy... It is very urgent problem for me... I hope receive your reply e-mail as soon as you possible. thank you. Have a good day Clark. Best regard. isaac isaac98@hanmail.net ================================================== æģø® ĄĪÅĶ³Ż, Daum Ęņ»ż ¾²“Ā ¹«·į E-mail ĮÖ¼Ņ ĒŃøŽĄĻ³Ż Įö±øĆĢ ĒѱŪ °Ė»ö¼­ŗń½ŗ Daum FIREBALL http://www.daum.net From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Tue Mar 27 20:57:44 2001 Return-Path: Received: from easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.26]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id UAA22697 for ; Tue, 27 Mar 2001 20:57:44 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id UAA14900 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Tue, 27 Mar 2001 20:57:44 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id UAA14882 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Tue, 27 Mar 2001 20:57:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from sam.on-net.net (sam.on-net.net [204.117.190.8]) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id UAA14862 for ; Tue, 27 Mar 2001 20:57:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from edison (edison.base2inc.com [206.229.85.132]) by sam.on-net.net (8.11.3/8.11.3) with SMTP id f2S1ue617822; Tue, 27 Mar 2001 20:56:40 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <00bf01c0b72a$7db70630$8455e5ce@edison> From: "Frank Morton" To: Cc: "Volker Birk" References: <20010205181719.A22795@ebios.de> Subject: Re: OPI Server ready Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 20:57:48 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Anyone using the OPI Server by "Volker Birk" ? Also, Volker Birk, can you give us an update on what you know about people using it, continuing development, etc. Frank Morton fmorton@base2inc.com > some two years ago I announced that we will develop an OPI server which > then will be offered under the GPL. > > Now it's ready. And it's an Open Project. > > If someone is interested in, she/he can read something about it on > > http://opi3.ebios.de > > Yours, > Volker Birk From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Tue Mar 27 22:23:54 2001 Return-Path: Received: from kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.25]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id WAA24282 for ; Tue, 27 Mar 2001 22:23:54 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id WAA21487 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Tue, 27 Mar 2001 22:23:54 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id WAA21478 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Tue, 27 Mar 2001 22:23:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from gromit.daemonize.com (adsl-63-204-212-186.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [63.204.212.186]) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id WAA21439 for ; Tue, 27 Mar 2001 22:23:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (wallace.daemonize.com [10.77.1.3]) by gromit.daemonize.com (8.9.3/8.9.2) with ESMTP id TAA07153 for ; Tue, 27 Mar 2001 19:23:51 -0800 Message-Id: <200103280323.TAA07153@gromit.daemonize.com> Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 19:23:45 -0800 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.387) From: Paul Krohn To: netatalk-admins@umich.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v387) In-Reply-To: <200103271826.KAA10847@smtpout.mac.com> Subject: Re: Mac OS X and netatalk... Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit well, since i haven't successfully re-compiled netatalk on my qube yet, i'm still using what came with: #rpm -q -a | grep netatalk netatalk-1.4b2+asun2.1.4-pre35_C3 and connecting from OS X release version works great. in fact, my mac is a much faster client with OS X installed. the secret is to find out what options cobalt did or did not compile in, and try to figure from that what needs done to current versions for the same happy results. also, at work, OS X connects no problem to our totalnet/syntax server with dhx encrypted passwords, as well as an oldish version of netatalk (exactly which i forget) on my ultra5. i think it is unlikely that this is a server problem. perhaps some things which were forgiven in the past no longer are? On Tuesday, March 27, 2001, at 10:26 AM, Jason Quigley wrote: > I don't know if anybody else has been testing this combo recently. I > tested with the public beta and had no success copying or moving files. > Now, it appears to have gone from bad to worse, I cannot even connect > to the server. It connection "unexpectedly" closed. The second time I > tried connecting, I had a kernel panic (not me personally, though > close :-) From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Tue Mar 27 23:43:52 2001 Return-Path: Received: from kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.25]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id XAA25872 for ; Tue, 27 Mar 2001 23:43:52 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id XAA18776 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Tue, 27 Mar 2001 23:43:52 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id XAA18761 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Tue, 27 Mar 2001 23:43:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from hobbiton.shire.net (frogmorton.shire.net [204.228.145.136]) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id XAA18741 for ; Tue, 27 Mar 2001 23:43:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from [216.64.45.172] (helo=[192.168.99.123]) by hobbiton.shire.net with esmtp (Exim 2.04 #5) id 14i7nB-000P0v-00; Tue, 27 Mar 2001 21:42:46 -0700 Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 23:35:25 -0500 From: "Chad Leigh, Objectwerks, Inc." Reply-To: chad@objectwerks.com To: Jason Quigley cc: netatalk-admins@umich.edu Subject: Re: Mac OS X and netatalk... Message-ID: <2188614434.985736125@[192.168.99.123]> In-Reply-To: <200103271826.KAA10847@smtpout.mac.com> X-Mailer: Mulberry/2.0.5 (Win32) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Well, I have had no problem connecting to a netatalk1.4+asun on FreeBSD system from two different MacOSX boxes and my Mac OS X machines are faster than the Public Beta, and I am using it for real work, both development and text writing as well as other sorts of work. I did have one problem with OS X and netatalk but I don't know what the real issue is. I used OS X to copy an OS 9 application and support files from an HSF+ disk on the Mac to the netatalk server described above and thej went to an OS 9 box to try to run the app of the netatalk volume but it gave an error -39 every time I tried to run the app by double clicking it. I erased it off the netatalk and rebooted the OS X machine into OS 9 and copied it over and then went to the other machine and it ran fine. But in general the netatalk volume behaves exactly the same to both OS X and OS 9 machines. Chad --On Tuesday, March 27, 2001 8:26 PM +0200 Jason Quigley wrote: > I don't know if anybody else has been testing this combo recently. I > tested with the public beta and had no success copying or moving files. > Now, it appears to have gone from bad to worse, I cannot even connect to > the server. It connection "unexpectedly" closed. The second time I tried > connecting, I had a kernel panic (not me personally, though close :-) > > Apple still has a way to go to get this up and running, so if you're > planning on buying public beta 2, don't bother for a while. I hope not > too many people have invested money in this yet. > > BTW - It's still as slow as the PB too, if not slower. All those reports > you've read on the web are rubbish. I think it's just geeks playing with > techie things as opposed to using it in the real world. > > Cheers, > Jason. > From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Wed Mar 28 00:20:20 2001 Return-Path: Received: from funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.27]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id AAA26778 for ; Wed, 28 Mar 2001 00:20:20 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id AAA09498 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Wed, 28 Mar 2001 00:20:13 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id AAA09487 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Wed, 28 Mar 2001 00:20:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from zul.wakawaka.com (zul.wakawaka.com [205.219.70.4]) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id AAA09333 for ; Wed, 28 Mar 2001 00:20:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from bugs.wakawaka.com (bugs.wakawaka.com [192.148.188.8]) by zul.wakawaka.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA03008; Tue, 27 Mar 2001 21:20:06 -0800 (PST) Received: (from paul@localhost) by bugs.wakawaka.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) id VAA24403; Tue, 27 Mar 2001 21:19:31 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <200103280519.VAA24403@bugs.wakawaka.com> From: paul@wakawaka.com (Paul Sander) Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 21:19:30 -0800 In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Mail User's Shell (7.2.6 beta(4)+dynamic 03/19/98) To: bucky@interaccess.com, netatalk-admins@umich.edu, netatalk-devel@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: Another reason to go GPL I must agree with Bucky's statement below. As a developer of free software, I have a strong distaste for the type of facism that the Gnu project markets in the name of freedom to redistribute software in a cooperative community. My experience with certain Gnu projects has also been that they tend to be unresponsive about making much-needed changes, including bug fixes, even when they're given patches to the latest public releases. I've contributed to some Gnu code, but I prefer to I donate to the public domain in hopes that my stuff will be useful to someone out there, regardless of whether or not I'm credited or compensated; I've even turned down offers of donations for my efforts. But BSD-style licensing is just as palatable to me. People who understand the locking protocols can reimplement the code as needed; aside from laziness (which is indeed a compelling reason), there's little to be gained from using someone else's code and living with their license requirements. Gnu licenses are more restrictive than BSD; if the Gnu people like BSD code, they can redistribute it with the proper credits. --- Forwarded mail from bucky@interaccess.com I don't understand how that can work. The GPL, once adopted, establishes a form of compulsion -- it does not allow what you've described. Suppose code from another GPL project is incorporated: the presence of that code prevents netatalk in its entirety from ever being used in a BSD-licensed context without replacing that code. That's how the GPL works. In the long run, it permanently prevents BSD-style freedoms such as using the code in a proprietary release. The code would be balkanized into separate licenses. The licenses don't coexist by covering the whole project. A company who makes such a release would have quite a bit invested in its relationship with the community that developed the base code. Observe Apple and the FreeBSD crowd. GPL effectively eliminates ownership through progressively entangling obligations on the part of the coders. BSD provides a form of shared ownership, in which the codebase may be forked freely as needed and participating developers each retain full discretion regarding the disposition of their work -- public or private. I have not developed a stitch of netatalk. So this is not my decision. But thank you for hearing me out. --- End of forwarded message from bucky@interaccess.com From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Wed Mar 28 00:32:01 2001 Return-Path: Received: from easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.26]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id AAA27100 for ; Wed, 28 Mar 2001 00:32:01 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id AAA17237 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Wed, 28 Mar 2001 00:32:01 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id AAA17220 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Wed, 28 Mar 2001 00:32:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from plato.arts.usyd.edu.au (plato.arts.usyd.edu.au [129.78.16.1]) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id AAA17153 for ; Wed, 28 Mar 2001 00:31:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from arts.usyd.edu.au (IDENT:matthew@whitestar.arts.usyd.edu.au [129.78.16.20]) by plato.arts.usyd.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA28178; Wed, 28 Mar 2001 15:31:49 +1000 (EST) Sender: matthew@plato.arts.usyd.edu.au Message-ID: <3AC187A0.538D7FB7@arts.usyd.edu.au> Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 16:41:36 +1000 From: Matthew Geier Organization: Arts IT Unit, Sydney University X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.2-XFS i686) X-Accept-Language: en, pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Bruce A. Burdick, Jr." CC: netatalk-admins@umich.edu Subject: Re: Another reason to go GPL References: Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/x-pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha1; boundary="------------msD480D0F419591489300A120C" This is a cryptographically signed message in MIME format. --------------msD480D0F419591489300A120C Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit "Bruce A. Burdick, Jr." wrote: > > A reason not to go GPL: companies will be less likely to assist with > development if they can't release their own version without being > _compelled_ to give away everything they've done on it. > > Perhaps Samba should consider the BSD license. > > GPL: please don't. One of the samba team posted a counter to that in the samba list this morning - GPL stops people from enhancing their own version and withholding it from the community. The Samba team have VERY strong views on the matter. If you enchance samba , they want to be able to use it in the public releases. 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Samba has a piece of code which does quotas on Veritas File Systems which I need to use at our site. Same problem as the file locking code though. We can't take GPL code and place it in netatalk without releasing netatalk as GPL. umm, it really isn't the same problem. veritas has an api for querying quota information. netatalk has a single file that deals with specifics on quota info. if using the standard quota interface doesn't work with veritas, writing a bit of code to interface with veritas' api shouldn't be a hard task. you can even use the gpl code as a reference for the veritas api, and it won't cause any problems. the issue with the samba locking code is very different as they don't provide standard api's that we can call without becoming GPL-encumbered. that's their decision. of course, we could always re-implement the samba locking scheme ourselves, but that would be a lot of duplication of effort to avoid a license change. in this debate on gpl, i think we need to distinguish between aspects that a license change would clearly help (integrating samba locking) from those that probably should be left to re-implementation (quota details). what i don't want to see is the inclusion of code just because it happens to have a compatible license. -a From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Wed Mar 28 01:14:30 2001 Return-Path: Received: from funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.27]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id BAA28250 for ; Wed, 28 Mar 2001 01:14:30 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id BAA00363 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Wed, 28 Mar 2001 01:14:23 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id BAA00340 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Wed, 28 Mar 2001 01:14:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from kanguruh.ebios.de (kanguruh.ebios.de [195.126.148.2]) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id BAA00281 for ; Wed, 28 Mar 2001 01:14:21 -0500 (EST) Received: (from vb@localhost) by kanguruh.ebios.de (8.11.0/8.8.8) id f2S6ELE06624; Wed, 28 Mar 2001 08:14:21 +0200 From: Volker Birk Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 08:14:20 +0200 To: "Frank Morton" Cc: , "Volker Birk" Subject: Re: OPI Server ready Message-ID: <20010328081420.C5226@ebios.de> References: <20010205181719.A22795@ebios.de> <00bf01c0b72a$7db70630$8455e5ce@edison> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.13i In-Reply-To: <00bf01c0b72a$7db70630$8455e5ce@edison>; from fmorton@base2inc.com on Tue, Mar 27, 2001 at 08:57:48PM -0500 On Tue, Mar 27, 2001 at 08:57:48PM -0500, Frank Morton wrote: > Also, Volker Birk, can you give us an update on what you know > about people using it, continuing development, etc. I don't know anything about users but the ones we have here as our clients. Further developement is garanteed - we also do a commercial edition, like sendmail, with nice point-and-click interface. So even if nobody else will help we will develop. Now we are doing a Netatalk port to HP UX (Benjamin's speech: HP SUX ;-) Benni is porting. The AFP over IP already runs, some problems with the ressource forks left until now. And going on. VB. -- *** ebios Informationssysteme, Germany *** kangu:~ $ cd /pub/ *** Gut-Betha-Platz 1, 88339 Bad Waldsee *** kangu:/pub $ more beer *** Phone +49-7524-93421 Fax +49-7524-93423 *** Aaahhhh! That was good! *** mailto:vb@ebios.de *** kangu:/pub $ _ From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Wed Mar 28 02:11:10 2001 Return-Path: Received: from kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.25]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id CAA29251 for ; Wed, 28 Mar 2001 02:11:10 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id CAA20308 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Wed, 28 Mar 2001 02:11:10 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id CAA20287 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Wed, 28 Mar 2001 02:11:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtpout.mac.com (smtpout.mac.com [204.179.120.88]) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id CAA20266 for ; Wed, 28 Mar 2001 02:11:08 -0500 (EST) Received: by smtpout.mac.com; Tue, 27 Mar 2001 23:09:28 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <200103280709.XAA02601@smtpout.mac.com> Received: from asmtp01.mac.com ([10.13.10.65]) by smtp-relay01.mac.com (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with ESMTP id GAWBVS00.P22 for ; Tue, 27 Mar 2001 23:09:28 -0800 Received: from localhost ([213.97.106.73]) by asmtp01.mac.com (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with ESMTP id GAWBVR00.VGQ; Tue, 27 Mar 2001 23:09:27 -0800 Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 09:09:24 +0200 From: Jason Quigley Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Mac OS X and netatalk... Cc: Netatalk-Admins@umich.edu To: Marcus Radich X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.387) In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v387) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Marcus! I tried your suggestion about the -DFLOCKS with netatalk-1.4.99-0.20001108 but I don't think that it is related to the problem, at least not on a FreeBSD system, as I get the same results when connecting: afpd[37429]: dsi_stream_read(0): Operation not supported The 0 is the length of data returned which causes the code to return the error. Why, I don't know. Any ideas? Thanks, Jason. On Tuesday, March 27, 2001, at 11:12 pm, Marcus Radich wrote: > > BTW, netatalk 1.4b2+asun 214 -37b works very well with Mac OS X as long > as you add the DEFS= -DFLOCKS thingy to the sys/Linux/Makefile before > you compile. I haven't tried 1.5. You can only connect via IP (great!) > and transferring files large and small has worked for me since 4K46 > > mrad01 From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Wed Mar 28 09:02:30 2001 Return-Path: Received: from easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.26]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id JAA07125 for ; Wed, 28 Mar 2001 09:02:30 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id JAA20303 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Wed, 28 Mar 2001 09:02:30 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id JAA20285 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Wed, 28 Mar 2001 09:02:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from missioncriticallinux.com (mail.missioncriticallinux.com [208.51.139.18]) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id JAA20208 for ; Wed, 28 Mar 2001 09:02:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain (smith.lowell.mclinux.com [10.1.8.64]) by missioncriticallinux.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA28438; Wed, 28 Mar 2001 09:01:46 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=missioncriticallinux.com) by localhost.localdomain with esmtp (Exim 3.20 #1 (Debian)) id 14iGXg-0000GZ-00; Wed, 28 Mar 2001 09:03:20 -0500 X-Mailer: exmh version 2.3.1 01/18/2001 (debian 2.3.1-1) with nmh-1.0.4+dev To: paul@wakawaka.com (Paul Sander) cc: bucky@interaccess.com, netatalk-admins@umich.edu, netatalk-devel@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: Another reason to go GPL In-Reply-To: Message from paul@wakawaka.com (Paul Sander) of "Tue, 27 Mar 2001 21:19:30 PST." <200103280519.VAA24403@bugs.wakawaka.com> References: <200103280519.VAA24403@bugs.wakawaka.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 09:03:19 -0500 From: Jeffry Smith Message-Id: Paul Sander said: > I must agree with Bucky's statement below. As a developer of free software, I > have a strong distaste for the type of facism that the Gnu project markets > in the name of freedom to redistribute software in a cooperative community. > My experience with certain Gnu projects has also been that they tend to be > unresponsive about making much-needed changes, including bug fixes, even when > they're given patches to the latest public releases. > Be aware that GNU/FSF != GPL. Linux is under a GPL license, but the code is NOT GNU controlled. Samba is under the GPL, but is NOT GNU controlled. GPL does NOT require any loss of copyright control to the FSF, unless you specifically grant them the rights (which they require for GNU projects). jeff From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Wed Mar 28 09:43:53 2001 Return-Path: Received: from funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.27]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id JAA08087 for ; Wed, 28 Mar 2001 09:43:53 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id JAA11044 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Wed, 28 Mar 2001 09:43:46 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id JAA11002 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Wed, 28 Mar 2001 09:43:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from potsdam.edu (potsdam.edu [137.143.110.101]) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with SMTP id JAA10946 for ; Wed, 28 Mar 2001 09:43:43 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 10785 invoked by alias); 28 Mar 2001 14:43:56 -0000 Received: (qmail 10762 invoked by uid 0); 28 Mar 2001 14:43:55 -0000 Received: from comp10574.potsdam.edu (HELO mail.potsdam.edu) (137.143.111.133) by potsdam.edu with SMTP; 28 Mar 2001 14:43:55 -0000 Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 09:43:46 -0500 From: Matthew Keller To: Jeffry Smith Cc: Paul Sander , bucky@interaccess.com, netatalk-admins@umich.edu, netatalk-devel@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: Another reason to go GPL Message-ID: <20010328094346.E2675@comp10574.potsdam.edu> References: <200103280519.VAA24403@bugs.wakawaka.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: ; from smith@missioncriticallinux.com on Wed, Mar 28, 2001 at 09:03:19 -0500 X-Mailer: Balsa 1.1.2 Lines: 24 On 2001.03.28 09:03:19 -0500 Jeffry Smith wrote: > Be aware that GNU/FSF != GPL. Linux is under a GPL license, but the code > is NOT GNU controlled. Samba is under the GPL, but is NOT GNU > controlled. GPL does NOT require any loss of copyright control to the > FSF, unless you specifically grant them the rights (which they require > for GNU projects). To further reinforce this- GPL does NOT stand for GNU Public License, it stands for General Public License. As stated previously, the attitude of the project maintainers, does is not because of which license they use. I've tried to sumbit patches to a lot of BSD-esque license projects- Some of them get accepted, some of them don't (same with GPL licensed, Mozilla licensed, etc.). Every *project* is unique, and has nothing to do with the underlying license. -- Matthew Keller Enterprise System Analyst Computing & Technology Services Information Services Division State University of NY at Potsdam http://mattwork.potsdam.edu/ From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Wed Mar 28 11:11:20 2001 Return-Path: Received: from easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.26]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id LAA09792 for ; Wed, 28 Mar 2001 11:11:20 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id LAA03488 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Wed, 28 Mar 2001 11:11:20 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id LAA03470 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Wed, 28 Mar 2001 11:11:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from changeofhabit.mr.itd.umich.edu (changeofhabit.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.144.17]) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id LAA03440 for ; Wed, 28 Mar 2001 11:11:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from adsl-242-15.ns.itd.umich.edu (adsl-242-15.ns.itd.umich.edu [141.213.242.15]) by changeofhabit.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.2r) with ESMTP id LAA04195; Wed, 28 Mar 2001 11:07:27 -0500 (EST) From: wes@umich.edu Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 11:07:31 -0500 To: a sun cc: netatalk-devel@lists.sourceforge.net, netatalk-admins@umich.edu Subject: Re: [Netatalk-devel] Another reason to go GPL Message-ID: <6095642.3194766451@adsl-242-15.ns.itd.umich.edu> In-Reply-To: <200103280549.VAA05026@asun.cobalt.com> X-Mailer: Mulberry/2.0.6 (MacOS) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline --On Tuesday, March 27, 2001 9:49 PM -0800 a sun wrote: > the issue with the samba locking code is very different as they don't > provide standard api's that we can call without becoming > GPL-encumbered. that's their decision. of course, we could always > re-implement the samba locking scheme ourselves, but that would be a > lot of duplication of effort to avoid a license change. Also, according to the samba home page, they are planning to rewrite the locking code. Perhaps they would be willing to make it LGPL, and provide well a documented API. :wes From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Wed Mar 28 11:13:20 2001 Return-Path: Received: from funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.27]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id LAA09926 for ; Wed, 28 Mar 2001 11:13:20 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id LAA25586 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Wed, 28 Mar 2001 11:13:12 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id LAA25559 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Wed, 28 Mar 2001 11:13:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from neuman.interaccess.com (from.interaccess.com [207.208.131.20]) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id LAA23670 for ; Wed, 28 Mar 2001 11:13:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from [192.168.1.118] (a10.240.208.207.ded25.interaccess.com [207.208.240.10]) by neuman.interaccess.com (8.10.2/8.10.2) with ESMTP id f2SGBjU00107; Wed, 28 Mar 2001 10:11:45 -0600 (CST) User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 10:10:51 -0600 Subject: Re: Another reason to go GPL From: "Bruce A. Burdick, Jr." To: , Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit > From: Jeffry Smith > Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 09:03:19 -0500 > > Be aware that GNU/FSF != GPL. Linux is under a GPL license, but the code is > NOT GNU controlled. Samba is under the GPL, but is NOT GNU controlled. GPL > does NOT require any loss of copyright control to the FSF, unless you > specifically grant them the rights (which they require for GNU projects). While this is true, it's not what prompted my earlier posting. GPL doesn't require loss of copyright control to the FSF: true. But, once GPL code from another author is incorporated in a project, a copyright owner who wishes to exercise any of his ownership rights is obligated to excise the code he didn't write. This obligation doesn't exist in the BSD license. Each iteration of a GPL project progressively entangles an author's copyright in this manner. Sorry, Matthew, for posting again on this. I'll now drop it, as you asked. -B... From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Wed Mar 28 11:31:54 2001 Return-Path: Received: from funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.27]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id LAA10613 for ; Wed, 28 Mar 2001 11:31:54 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id LAA14097 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Wed, 28 Mar 2001 11:31:46 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id LAA14046 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Wed, 28 Mar 2001 11:31:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from gromit.daemonize.com (adsl-63-204-212-186.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [63.204.212.186]) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id LAA13985 for ; Wed, 28 Mar 2001 11:31:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (wallace.daemonize.com [10.77.1.3]) by gromit.daemonize.com (8.9.3/8.9.2) with ESMTP id IAA14028 for ; Wed, 28 Mar 2001 08:31:45 -0800 Message-Id: <200103281631.IAA14028@gromit.daemonize.com> Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 08:31:39 -0800 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.387) From: Paul Krohn To: netatalk-admins@umich.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v387) In-Reply-To: <200103280323.TAA07153@gromit.daemonize.com> Subject: Re: Mac OS X and netatalk... Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Tuesday, March 27, 2001, at 07:23 PM, Paul Krohn wrote: > i think it is unlikely that this is a server problem. perhaps some > things which were forgiven in the past no longer are? sheesh. let's hear it for proof reading: i meant i don't think it's a _client_ problem. From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Wed Mar 28 12:12:08 2001 Return-Path: Received: from kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.25]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id MAA11336 for ; Wed, 28 Mar 2001 12:12:08 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id MAA20445 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Wed, 28 Mar 2001 12:12:00 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id MAA18885 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Wed, 28 Mar 2001 12:10:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from cliff.unet.brandeis.edu (cliff.unet.brandeis.edu [129.64.99.34]) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id MAA17262 for ; Wed, 28 Mar 2001 12:09:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from squirrel (squirrel.bio.brandeis.edu [129.64.50.7]) by cliff.unet.brandeis.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/UNet2.0) with ESMTP id MAA18452; Wed, 28 Mar 2001 12:08:16 -0500 Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 12:08:16 -0500 (EST) From: Steven Karel X-Sender: To: Marcus Radich cc: Subject: Re: Mac OS X and netatalk... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII 1. Just wanted to concur with Marcus that netatalk-1.4b2+asun2.1.4-pre37b works fine with the appleshare client in OS X 10.0,.whereas the public beta failed horribly . Not all versions of netatalk are that well behaved, however. I haven't tested exhaustively, but I do know that 37b works on at least 4 of our servers (RH 6.2/RH 7.0). Also, the old version 1.4b2-2.1.3 seems to work as well. 2. Setting -DUSE_FLOCK_LOCKS doesn't seem to be necessary for this purpose, although it may help with file locking for other reasons. Marcus, if you could be so kind, can you explain for us again what problems it solves, and where exactly you recommend setting it? (I added -DUSE_FLOCK_LOCKS in the sys/linux/Makefile DEFS= line) README.ASUN says: byte locks should now work. if you want to enable the old way of doing things, add -DUSE_FLOCK_LOCKS. thanks, stevne On Wed, 28 Mar 2001, Marcus Radich wrote: > > BTW, netatalk 1.4b2+asun 214 -37b works very well with Mac OS X as > long as you add the DEFS= -DFLOCKS thingy to the sys/Linux/Makefile > before you compile. I haven't tried 1.5. You can only connect via IP > (great!) and transferring files large and small has worked for me > since 4K46 > > mrad01 > From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Wed Mar 28 12:16:36 2001 Return-Path: Received: from funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.27]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id MAA11571 for ; Wed, 28 Mar 2001 12:16:36 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id MAA28318 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Wed, 28 Mar 2001 12:16:28 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id MAA22481 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Wed, 28 Mar 2001 12:15:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from potsdam.edu (potsdam.edu [137.143.110.101]) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with SMTP id MAA15271 for ; Wed, 28 Mar 2001 12:02:16 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 5023 invoked by alias); 28 Mar 2001 17:01:09 -0000 Received: (qmail 5010 invoked by uid 0); 28 Mar 2001 17:01:09 -0000 Received: from comp10574.potsdam.edu (HELO mail.potsdam.edu) (137.143.111.133) by potsdam.edu with SMTP; 28 Mar 2001 17:01:09 -0000 Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 12:01:00 -0500 From: Matthew Keller To: "Bruce A. Burdick, Jr." Cc: netatalk-admins@umich.edu, netatalk-devel@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [Netatalk-devel] Re: Another reason to go GPL Message-ID: <20010328120100.I2675@comp10574.potsdam.edu> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: ; from bucky@interaccess.com on Wed, Mar 28, 2001 at 11:10:51 -0500 X-Mailer: Balsa 1.1.2 Lines: 39 On 2001.03.28 11:10:51 -0500 "Bruce A. Burdick, Jr." wrote: > But, once GPL code from another author is incorporated in a project, > a copyright owner who wishes to > exercise any of his ownership rights is obligated to excise the code he > didn't write. This obligation doesn't exist in the BSD license. Each > iteration of a GPL project progressively entangles an author's copyright > in this manner. I think "excise" is a little harsh. GPL'd code I've written has been incorporated into numerous projects that I've never even participated in - And I think that's great. I don't want to control WHO or WHAT can use my code - I just want to know that if anyone DOES use it, they are obligated to use it within other free projects, and contribute any improvements they've made. The code I've written under contract for Netatalk (and thusly is closed) could rocket Netatalk quite far. Unfortunately, most companies are lazy. If they don't HAVE to contribute improvements, they won't. They'll keep them close and never let them out (see the netatalk-devel archives on Sourceforge for more on that topic, I don't want to rehash this again on this list). > Sorry, Matthew, for posting again on this. I'll now drop it, as you > asked. I never asked for this issue to be dropped - We **NEED** to discuss this. We **NEED** for everyone, pro/con/neutral, to not only understand the differences between these licenses, but understand the ramifications of any change as it pertains to Netatalk. I will NEVER ask you to drop it- I may correct your misstatements or misunderstandings to prevent the spread of FUD, but I'll never ask you to cease (and if I did/do, you have my permission to slap me :) -- Matthew Keller Enterprise System Analyst Computing & Technology Services Information Services Division State University of NY at Potsdam http://mattwork.potsdam.edu/ From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Wed Mar 28 14:32:28 2001 Return-Path: Received: from funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.27]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id OAA16352 for ; Wed, 28 Mar 2001 14:32:28 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id OAA16262 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Wed, 28 Mar 2001 14:32:18 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id OAA15897 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Wed, 28 Mar 2001 14:32:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from patan.sun.com (patan.Sun.COM [192.18.98.43]) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id OAA15405; Wed, 28 Mar 2001 14:31:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from hsmtv32a.SFBay.Sun.COM ([129.145.120.36]) by patan.sun.com (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA05136; Wed, 28 Mar 2001 11:31:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from asun.cobalt.com (natbox [129.145.120.47]) by hsmtv32a.SFBay.Sun.COM (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3/ENSMAIL,v2.1p1) with ESMTP id LAA24615; Wed, 28 Mar 2001 11:31:03 -0800 (PST) Received: (from asun@localhost) by asun.cobalt.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA09778; Wed, 28 Mar 2001 11:31:03 -0800 Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 11:31:03 -0800 Message-Id: <200103281931.LAA09778@asun.cobalt.com> From: a sun To: wes@umich.edu CC: netatalk-devel@lists.sourceforge.net, netatalk-admins@umich.edu In-reply-to: <6095642.3194766451@adsl-242-15.ns.itd.umich.edu> (wes@umich.edu) Subject: Re: [Netatalk-devel] Another reason to go GPL References: <6095642.3194766451@adsl-242-15.ns.itd.umich.edu> Also, according to the samba home page, they are planning to rewrite the locking code. Perhaps they would be willing to make it LGPL, and provide well a documented API. unfortunately, jeremy has repeatedly stated to me that samba will not LGPL any of its code. -a From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Wed Mar 28 14:48:30 2001 Return-Path: Received: from funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.27]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id OAA16780 for ; Wed, 28 Mar 2001 14:48:29 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id OAA04784 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Wed, 28 Mar 2001 14:48:22 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id OAA04738 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Wed, 28 Mar 2001 14:48:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from esc.standard.k12.ca.us (206-227-4-172.kern.org [206.227.4.172]) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id OAA04679 for ; Wed, 28 Mar 2001 14:48:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from [10.1.1.23] ([10.1.1.23]) by esc.standard.k12.ca.us (8.10.2/8.10.2) with ESMTP id f2SJm6G14274 for ; Wed, 28 Mar 2001 11:48:06 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: jdavis@esc.standard.k12.ca.us (Unverified) Message-Id: Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 11:46:56 -0800 To: Netatalk Admin From: Jeff Davis Subject: dhx password encryption - how? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" I am having all kinds of problems getting dhx encryption to load, despite uncommenting the line in netatalk.conf, as well as adding the uams options in afpd.conf. What am I doing wrong here? -- Jefferson K. Davis Technology & IS Manager Standard School District 1200 North Chester Ave Bakersfield, CA 93308 661-392-2110 From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Wed Mar 28 14:57:28 2001 Return-Path: Received: from kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.25]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id OAA17237 for ; Wed, 28 Mar 2001 14:57:27 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id OAA16550 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Wed, 28 Mar 2001 14:57:27 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id OAA16516 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Wed, 28 Mar 2001 14:57:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from www.molbio.wisc.edu (www.molbio.wisc.edu [144.92.19.124]) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with SMTP id OAA16492 for ; Wed, 28 Mar 2001 14:57:25 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 9568 invoked by uid 500); 28 Mar 2001 19:57:15 -0000 Received: from localhost (sendmail-bs@127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 28 Mar 2001 19:57:15 -0000 Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 13:57:15 -0600 (CST) From: "Daniel E. Lautenschleger" To: a sun cc: , , Subject: Re: [Netatalk-devel] Another reason to go GPL In-Reply-To: <200103281931.LAA09778@asun.cobalt.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Yo, Adrian! Sorry...I couldn't help myself. What Netatalk package is currently being used in the Cobalt Qubes? Anything that is freely distributable to the Unix crowd? Thanks. -Dan On Wed, 28 Mar 2001, a sun wrote: > Also, according to the samba home page, they are planning to rewrite the > locking code. Perhaps they would be willing to make it LGPL, and provide > well a documented API. > > unfortunately, jeremy has repeatedly stated to me that samba will > not LGPL any of its code. > > -a > > From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Wed Mar 28 14:59:50 2001 Return-Path: Received: from kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.25]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id OAA17546 for ; Wed, 28 Mar 2001 14:59:50 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id OAA19712 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Wed, 28 Mar 2001 14:59:50 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id OAA19684 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Wed, 28 Mar 2001 14:59:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from dusty.interaccess.com (notdusty.ops.interaccess.com [198.80.68.58]) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id OAA19317 for ; Wed, 28 Mar 2001 14:59:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from [10.1.1.118] (ip-64-63-84-208.reverse.mobilenetics.com [64.63.84.208]) by dusty.interaccess.com (8.8.5/8.8.2) with ESMTP id OAA26382; Wed, 28 Mar 2001 14:06:17 -0600 (CST) User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 13:58:31 -0600 Subject: Re: [Netatalk-devel] Re: Another reason to go GPL From: "Bruce A. Burdick, Jr." To: , Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20010328120100.I2675@comp10574.potsdam.edu> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit > From: Matthew Keller > Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 12:01:00 -0500 > >> Sorry, Matthew, for posting again on this. I'll now drop it, as you >> asked. > > I never asked for this issue to be dropped - We **NEED** to discuss > this. We **NEED** for everyone, pro/con/neutral, to not only understand the > differences between these licenses, but understand the ramifications of any > change as it pertains to Netatalk. I will NEVER ask you to drop it- I may > correct your misstatements or misunderstandings to prevent the spread of > FUD, but I'll never ask you to cease (and if I did/do, you have my > permission to slap me :) My fault. Bad choice of words. I misinterpreted you: I thought you were implying that the discussion had raged and ended on devel list. Your points have been well-taken. And as you are a principal player in netatalk's development, you _must_ have much more say than I (a gregarious user of netatalk), and _your_ desires must be reflected in the license you all choose. And I have to admit that your stated desires are better accommodated by the GPL. I was directing my comments toward the foundations of those desires. I was also concerned, given the comments of others, that the GPL was going to be adopted in Grand Lemming Style (i.e. because "everyone else is doing it"). You have obviously thought about what the license decision will mean to you. In my view, only those who have done that mental work should determine what license you (collectively, now) choose. For those of you have done that I hope you will be able (or have been able) to persuade any stragglers to properly weigh these considerations. I'm glad we agree that this is an important issue. -B... From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Wed Mar 28 16:41:38 2001 Return-Path: Received: from easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.26]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id QAA23384 for ; Wed, 28 Mar 2001 16:41:38 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id QAA14967 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Wed, 28 Mar 2001 16:41:38 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id QAA14938 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Wed, 28 Mar 2001 16:41:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from potsdam.edu (potsdam.edu [137.143.110.101]) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with SMTP id QAA14858 for ; Wed, 28 Mar 2001 16:41:35 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 20797 invoked by alias); 28 Mar 2001 21:41:40 -0000 Received: (qmail 20685 invoked by uid 0); 28 Mar 2001 21:41:32 -0000 Received: from comp10574.potsdam.edu (HELO mail.potsdam.edu) (137.143.111.133) by potsdam.edu with SMTP; 28 Mar 2001 21:41:32 -0000 Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 16:41:23 -0500 From: Matthew Keller To: "Bruce A. Burdick, Jr." Cc: netatalk-admins@umich.edu, netatalk-devel@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [Netatalk-devel] Re: Another reason to go GPL Message-ID: <20010328164123.C2675@comp10574.potsdam.edu> References: <20010328120100.I2675@comp10574.potsdam.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: ; from bucky@interaccess.com on Wed, Mar 28, 2001 at 14:58:31 -0500 X-Mailer: Balsa 1.1.2 Lines: 52 On 2001.03.28 14:58:31 -0500 "Bruce A. Burdick, Jr." wrote: > My fault. Bad choice of words. I misinterpreted you: I thought you were > implying that the discussion had raged and ended on devel list. No problem - My only statement regarding the lists was that I didn't want to have to re-state everything we just spent a month or two discussing on the Netatalk-devel list. ALWAYS happy to hear new comments, opinions, and engage in productive, rational discussions. > Your points have been well-taken. And as you are a principal player in > netatalk's development, you _must_ have much more say than I (a > gregarious user of netatalk), and _your_ desires must be reflected in > the license you all choose. Let's reword "a principal player" to "hopefully a future principle player". I have a lot of code I'd like to see in Netatalk - some of it wholesale stolen from Samba, some of it that I've written previously and could/have already convinced the money-people that "own" it to allow me to release if Netatalk GPL's - But I quite honestly have nothing but bugfixes in the present tree. My time and energies are directed elsewhere at this time. > I was also concerned, given the comments of others, > that the GPL was going to be adopted in Grand Lemming Style (i.e. because > "everyone else is doing it"). Yes, I will freely admit that this is always a concern - I have clients who want to jump in and GPL all of their code and I have to sit down with them and slow things down: Educate them as to the ramifications, etc. - We also have Netatalk constituents who want to GPL the code for the wrong reasons (or no reason at all, other than "getting locking from Samba" (which is only one of many benefits of GPLing this project). > I'm glad we agree that this is an important issue. As am I! I am working very hard at ensuring that no one gets left in the dust over any switch we make (unless they are simply too arrogant to even HAVE GPL'd code/binaries on their system because of irrational distate - And yes, sadly enough, these people do exist), and also working EQUALLY hard to make sure that not only do we switch - if we switch - for the "right reasons", but that everyone understands what they are (whether they agree with them or not. ;) -- Matthew Keller Enterprise System Analyst Computing & Technology Services Information Services Division State University of NY at Potsdam http://mattwork.potsdam.edu/ From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Wed Mar 28 18:52:41 2001 Return-Path: Received: from easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.26]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id SAA27642 for ; Wed, 28 Mar 2001 18:52:41 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id SAA13907 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Wed, 28 Mar 2001 18:52:41 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id SAA13895 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Wed, 28 Mar 2001 18:52:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtpout.mac.com (smtpout.mac.com [204.179.120.88]) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id SAA13864 for ; Wed, 28 Mar 2001 18:52:38 -0500 (EST) Received: by smtpout.mac.com; Wed, 28 Mar 2001 15:51:53 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <200103282351.PAA16397@smtpout.mac.com> Received: from asmtp01.mac.com ([10.13.10.65]) by smtp-relay01.mac.com (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with ESMTP id GAXMAH00.EKG for ; Wed, 28 Mar 2001 15:51:53 -0800 Received: from localhost ([213.97.106.73]) by asmtp01.mac.com (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with ESMTP id GAXMAG00.R11; Wed, 28 Mar 2001 15:51:52 -0800 Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 01:51:46 +0200 From: Jason Quigley Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Mac OS X and netatalk... Cc: Marcus Radich , To: Steven Karel X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.387) In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v387) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Steven! Where do we get the source for this beast? Many thanks, Jason. On Wednesday, March 28, 2001, at 07:08 pm, Steven Karel wrote: > 1. Just wanted to concur with Marcus that > netatalk-1.4b2+asun2.1.4-pre37b From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Wed Mar 28 19:03:07 2001 Return-Path: Received: from easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.26]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id TAA27914 for ; Wed, 28 Mar 2001 19:03:07 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id TAA22283 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Wed, 28 Mar 2001 19:03:07 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id TAA22271 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Wed, 28 Mar 2001 19:03:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from chmls05.mediaone.net (chmls05.mediaone.net [24.147.1.143]) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id TAA22253 for ; Wed, 28 Mar 2001 19:03:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from brandeis.edu (h00a04b0c2aa5.ne.mediaone.net [24.218.255.161]) by chmls05.mediaone.net (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id f2T033x19804; Wed, 28 Mar 2001 19:03:03 -0500 (EST) Sender: karelsf@chmls05.mediaone.net Message-ID: <3AC27BD2.56279624@brandeis.edu> Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 19:03:30 -0500 From: Steven Karel Reply-To: karelsf@brandeis.edu Organization: Brandeis University X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.2 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Netatalk-Admins@umich.edu CC: Jason Quigley Subject: Re: Mac OS X and netatalk... References: <200103282351.PAA14003@smtpout.mac.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ftp://ftp.cobaltnet.com/pub/users/asun/testing/ This (the correct location of asun's stuff on Cobalt's FTP server) belongs in the FAQ. cheers, steven Jason Quigley wrote: > > Hi Steven! > > Where do we get the source for this beast? > > Many thanks, > Jason. > > On Wednesday, March 28, 2001, at 07:08 pm, Steven Karel wrote: > > > 1. Just wanted to concur with Marcus that > > netatalk-1.4b2+asun2.1.4-pre37b From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Wed Mar 28 19:09:35 2001 Return-Path: Received: from easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.26]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id TAA28213 for ; Wed, 28 Mar 2001 19:09:35 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id TAA27001 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Wed, 28 Mar 2001 19:09:35 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id TAA26995 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Wed, 28 Mar 2001 19:09:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from mta1-rme.xtra.co.nz (mta1-rme.xtra.co.nz [203.96.92.1]) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id TAA26979 for ; Wed, 28 Mar 2001 19:09:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from [192.168.1.112] ([210.54.213.206]) by mta1-rme.xtra.co.nz with ESMTP id <20010329001154.JZSY4907721.mta1-rme.xtra.co.nz@[192.168.1.112]>; Thu, 29 Mar 2001 12:11:54 +1200 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: darena6@pop3.xtra.co.nz Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 12:09:23 +1200 To: Steven Karel From: Marcus Radich Subject: Re: Mac OS X and netatalk... Cc: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" OK, I originally found that asun2.1.3 was wicked for serving quark dox, but when I updated to 214, I started having file locking problems with quark (typical). Also seems to happen with codewarrior(noted by a friend). So after reading through asun's notes, I found a section which refers to the "old style" of byte locking. Adding the DEF= line and recompiling works perfectly. I have over 20 servers in production proving that! Go to: ftp://ftp.cobaltnet.com/pub/users/asun/testing/ if you need it. I'm currently running MacOS X 4L5 (10.0.1), which BTW is quite a bit snappier than 4K78 (10.0.0), and connecting to these servers shows no issues. Confirmed and tested! (Also, for those "Mac OS X is too slow" people. Get 10.0.1 when it comes out (soon), and get Plus for X. It allows you to change Genie to scale and other less-CPU-intensive things. Look on versiontracker for a link to this) I still use 1.4b2+asun214-37b because it works. I think I will start experimenting with 1.5 soon. mrad01 At 12:08 PM -0500 28/3/2001, Steven Karel wrote: >1. Just wanted to concur with Marcus that netatalk-1.4b2+asun2.1.4-pre37b >works fine with the appleshare client in OS X 10.0,.whereas the public >beta failed horribly . Not all versions of netatalk are that well behaved, >however. I haven't tested exhaustively, but I do know that 37b works on at >least 4 of our servers (RH 6.2/RH 7.0). Also, the old version 1.4b2-2.1.3 >seems to work as well. > >2. Setting -DUSE_FLOCK_LOCKS doesn't seem to be necessary for this >purpose, although it may help with file locking for other reasons. Marcus, >if you could be so kind, can you explain for us again what problems it >solves, and where exactly you recommend setting it? (I added >-DUSE_FLOCK_LOCKS in the sys/linux/Makefile DEFS= line) > >README.ASUN says: > > > byte locks should now work. if you want to enable the old way > of doing things, add -DUSE_FLOCK_LOCKS. > > > >thanks, > >stevne > > On Wed, 28 >Mar 2001, Marcus Radich wrote: > >> >> BTW, netatalk 1.4b2+asun 214 -37b works very well with Mac OS X as >> long as you add the DEFS= -DFLOCKS thingy to the sys/Linux/Makefile >> before you compile. I haven't tried 1.5. You can only connect via IP >> (great!) and transferring files large and small has worked for me >> since 4K46 >> >> mrad01 >> -- ======================================================== "Always ask the question, never assume the answer." Marcus Radich 1999 ======================================================== From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Thu Mar 29 07:24:44 2001 Return-Path: Received: from kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.25]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id HAA13105 for ; Thu, 29 Mar 2001 07:24:44 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id HAA29825 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Thu, 29 Mar 2001 07:24:44 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id HAA29823 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Thu, 29 Mar 2001 07:24:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtpout.mac.com (smtpout.mac.com [204.179.120.89]) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id HAA29818 for ; Thu, 29 Mar 2001 07:24:42 -0500 (EST) Received: by smtpout.mac.com; Thu, 29 Mar 2001 04:18:15 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <200103291218.EAA10730@smtpout.mac.com> Received: from asmtp01.mac.com ([10.13.10.65]) by smtp-relay01.mac.com (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with ESMTP id GAYKUF00.6IQ for ; Thu, 29 Mar 2001 04:18:15 -0800 Received: from localhost ([213.97.106.73]) by asmtp01.mac.com (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with ESMTP id GAYKUE00.12B for ; Thu, 29 Mar 2001 04:18:14 -0800 Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 14:18:08 +0200 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.387) From: Jason Quigley To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v387) In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: Mac OS X and netatalk... Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi everybody! I got the version that Marcus suggested. I have a problem compiling it though. I get an error with the TCP wrappers support for a lib called nsl. I searched the web and it was suggested that this lib may not be needed on my system (FreeBSD). Is this the case? I compiled without it and got the server up and running. It shows up under 9.0.4's chooser and 10.0.0 seems to think it's there as I get the following error when attempting a connection: Mar 29 14:01:38 vulcan afpd[93813]: uam_load(uams_guest.so): failed to load. Mar 29 14:01:38 vulcan afpd[93813]: uam_load(uams_clrtxt.so): failed to load. Mar 29 14:01:38 vulcan afpd[93813]: uam_load(uams_dhx.so): failed to load. Everything seemed to compile okay. I had to tweak the Makefile a little for FreeBSD, i.e. use /usr/ instead of /usr for the OpenSSL libraries. I am stumped now. Any suggestions? Many thanks, Jason. On Thursday, March 29, 2001, at 02:09 am, Marcus Radich wrote: > OK, I originally found that asun2.1.3 was wicked for serving quark dox, > but when I updated to 214, I started having file locking problems with > quark (typical). Also seems to happen with codewarrior(noted by a > friend). > So after reading through asun's notes, I found a section which refers > to the "old style" of byte locking. Adding the DEF= line and > recompiling works perfectly. I have over 20 servers in production > proving that! > > Go to: ftp://ftp.cobaltnet.com/pub/users/asun/testing/ if you need it. > > I still use 1.4b2+asun214-37b because it works. I think I will start > experimenting with 1.5 soon. > > mrad01 > > From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Thu Mar 29 10:25:41 2001 Return-Path: Received: from kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.25]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id KAA17448 for ; Thu, 29 Mar 2001 10:25:40 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id KAA15134 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Thu, 29 Mar 2001 10:25:40 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id KAA15076 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Thu, 29 Mar 2001 10:25:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from carson.bmpsystems.com (chello212017086074.14.vie.surfer.at [212.17.86.74]) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id KAA14975 for ; Thu, 29 Mar 2001 10:25:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from bmpsystems.com (ponderosa.bmpsystems.com [192.168.217.132]) by carson.bmpsystems.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id RAA15956 for ; Thu, 29 Mar 2001 17:25:31 +0200 Message-ID: <3AC353EA.BE8432E3@bmpsystems.com> Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 17:25:30 +0200 From: "Bernard M. Piller" Reply-To: bernard@bmpsystems.com Organization: bmp System Support - keep your systems running X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: de-AT,en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: netatalk-admins@umich.edu Subject: Sherlock from Mac OS 9 slow Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi, I have a RedHat 6.2 Server running and while the server itself is very fast, Sherlock is extremly slow when doing searches from Mac OS 9 clients. The server volumes are large, with about 50GB of data on every drive. I know there where problems with netatalk not supporting the FPCatSearch function which Sherlock uses. Is this fixed in some version of netatalk out there on the net or does someone know another solution to this problem? Bernard -- www.bmpsystems.com +43 664 336 9196 From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Thu Mar 29 10:39:39 2001 Return-Path: Received: from kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.25]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id KAA17834 for ; Thu, 29 Mar 2001 10:39:39 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id KAA00556 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Thu, 29 Mar 2001 10:39:39 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id KAA00544 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Thu, 29 Mar 2001 10:39:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from austin-jump.vircio.com ([216.30.106.234]) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with SMTP id KAA00456 for ; Thu, 29 Mar 2001 10:39:35 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 30791 invoked by uid 104); 29 Mar 2001 15:39:32 -0000 Received: from cwg-dated-170d36df2dbfca64@deepeddy.com by austin-jump.vircio.com with qmail-scanner-0.90 (uvscan: v4.1.20/v4127. . 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Processed in 0.230947 secs); 29/03/2001 09:39:32 Received: from deepeddy.vircio.com ([10.1.2.1]) (envelope-sender ) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 29 Mar 2001 15:39:32 -0000 Received: (qmail 11906 invoked by alias); 29 Mar 2001 15:39:30 -0000 From: "Chris Garrigues" Received: (qmail 11831 invoked from network); 29 Mar 2001 15:39:29 -0000 Received: from deepeddy.vircio.com (HELO deepeddy.com) ([10.1.2.1]) (envelope-sender ) by deepeddy.vircio.com (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 29 Mar 2001 15:39:29 -0000 X-Mailer: exmh version 2.2_20000822 06/23/2000 with nmh-1.0.4 To: netatalk-admins@umich.edu Subject: Access priviledges in pre5 X-Url: http://www.DeepEddy.Com/~cwg X-Image-Url: http://www.DeepEddy.Com/~cwg/chris.gif Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="==_Exmh_-1116590128P"; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 09:39:28 -0600 Message-ID: <11828.985880368@deepeddy.com> Mail-Reply-To: cwg-dated-170d36df2dbfca64@DeepEddy.Com --==_Exmh_-1116590128P Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Does the change suggested in http://sourceforge.net/forum/forum.php?thread_id=87239&forum_id=26981 solve this problem? -- Chris Garrigues http://www.DeepEddy.Com/~cwg/ virCIO http://www.virCIO.Com 4314 Avenue C Austin, TX 78751-3709 +1 512 374 0500 My email address is an experiment in SPAM elimination. For an explanation of what we're doing, see http://www.DeepEddy.Com/tms.html Nobody ever got fired for buying Microsoft, but they could get fired for relying on Microsoft. --==_Exmh_-1116590128P Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.4 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Exmh version 2.2_20000822 06/23/2000 iD8DBQE6w1cwK9b4h5R0IUIRAkiWAJoDtO6FXHlga0x1+mFax+v5v0Rw5wCfbVx/ W8m0SrbpmsQl+DCOg93Y/c0= =NTZJ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --==_Exmh_-1116590128P-- From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Thu Mar 29 11:12:44 2001 Return-Path: Received: from funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.27]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id LAA18651 for ; Thu, 29 Mar 2001 11:12:43 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id LAA02707 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Thu, 29 Mar 2001 11:12:37 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id LAA02630 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Thu, 29 Mar 2001 11:12:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.euc.de (mail.euc.de [195.63.193.18]) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id LAA02567 for ; Thu, 29 Mar 2001 11:12:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from euc.de (euc-punktum.euc.de [195.63.193.116]) by mail.euc.de (8.9.3/8.9.3/SuSE Linux 8.9.3-0.1) with ESMTP id SAA04887 for ; Thu, 29 Mar 2001 18:08:26 +0200 Message-ID: <3AC35DFB.347EC063@euc.de> Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 18:08:27 +0200 From: Mac Conin Organization: EUC Online Service GmbH X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "netatalk-admins@umich.edu" Subject: clients freezing while copying Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu id LAA18651 something strange her... my try-out of netatalk (version 1.4.99-5 from the Suse 7.1 distr. on an intel c667) seemed for the moment ok. Now that I'm testing stability with copying large amounts of files (~7.000 files with a total of approx. 200 MB) strange things are coming up. the first 500-600 files are going through as expected. After that the process comes more and more to a halt. It ends up with the clinet freezing (or nearly because the client is so busy trying to copy). When I'm killing the afpd on the server the clients' behaviour is normal again. Restarting the afpd and copying smallamounts of data is ok until I try to copy again larger numers of files Yes, I'm only using TCP - no ddp. I don't think its the network itself (the hardware) because the rst of the servers are working fine. Any help would be appreciated (I dont' wanna install another windoze...). -- --schnipp-- mit freundlichen grüssen ----------------------------------------------------------- Mac Conin EUC Online Service GmbH From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Thu Mar 29 11:19:12 2001 Return-Path: Received: from kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.25]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id LAA18960 for ; Thu, 29 Mar 2001 11:19:12 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id LAA14113 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Thu, 29 Mar 2001 11:19:12 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id LAA14091 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Thu, 29 Mar 2001 11:19:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from amministrazione.Hyphen.it (smtp.graph-os.it [194.185.169.158]) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id LAA14036 for ; Thu, 29 Mar 2001 11:19:09 -0500 (EST) Received: by AMMINISTRAZIONE with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Thu, 29 Mar 2001 18:25:19 +0200 Message-ID: <974B0191A4C6D31192D10090279CCC7B321B19@AMMINISTRAZIONE> From: Scodeller Marco To: "'netatalk-admins@umich.edu'" Subject: Problem with more then one netatalk server Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 18:25:15 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > Hello, > we have problem in using netatalk in the moment that there is more then > one netatalk server on the same network. > What happens is that in the chooser of the macintosh you can see and > connect only one of them. > How is it possible to solve this problem? > Regards. > > Scodeller Marco > HYPHEN- GROUP > HYPHEN- ITALIA * GRAPH-OS * ANY.COM * KEY ACCESS > Via A. de Gasperi, 17 > 37013 Caprino Vr.se Verona - Italy > Phone +39 045 7242446 > Fax +39 045 7242629 > http://www.hyphen-italia.com > E-mail: scodeller.m@hyphen-italia.com > > From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Thu Mar 29 11:47:51 2001 Return-Path: Received: from funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.27]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id LAA19606 for ; Thu, 29 Mar 2001 11:47:51 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id LAA16063 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Thu, 29 Mar 2001 11:47:44 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id LAA16034 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Thu, 29 Mar 2001 11:47:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from beta.tricity.wsu.edu (beta.tricity.wsu.edu [192.31.216.9]) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id LAA15999 for ; Thu, 29 Mar 2001 11:47:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (nightstalker.tricity.wsu.edu [192.31.216.23]) by beta.tricity.wsu.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA27105 for ; Thu, 29 Mar 2001 08:47:42 -0800 Message-Id: <200103291647.IAA27105@beta.tricity.wsu.edu> Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 08:47:41 -0800 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v387) From: Richard Eisenman To: Netatalk List X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.387) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Mac OS X and netatalk... I've gone through several distributions of netatalk (14b2+asun214.0, 1.5pre5) under Linux 6.2 and still have random problems copying files from OS X to the netatalk server. The error reads: "The operation cannot be completed because one or more required items could not be found." (Error code -43)." This error comes only with random files, not consistently, and the files seem to have nothing in common. Still looking for suggestions... Thanks. From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Thu Mar 29 12:43:13 2001 Return-Path: Received: from easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.26]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id MAA21488 for ; Thu, 29 Mar 2001 12:43:13 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id MAA05937 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Thu, 29 Mar 2001 12:43:13 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id MAA05796 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Thu, 29 Mar 2001 12:43:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from rgrjr.dyndns.org (h0050da615e79.ne.mediaone.net [24.218.161.12]) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with SMTP id MAA05548 for ; Thu, 29 Mar 2001 12:43:03 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 25824 invoked by uid 500); 29 Mar 2001 17:42:44 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <15043.29716.365681.813243@h0050da615e79.ne.mediaone.net> Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 12:42:44 -0500 From: Bob Rogers To: Matthew Geier , "Bruce A. Burdick, Jr." Cc: netatalk-admins@umich.edu, netatalk-devel@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: Another reason to go GPL In-Reply-To: <3AC187A0.538D7FB7@arts.usyd.edu.au> References: <3AC187A0.538D7FB7@arts.usyd.edu.au> X-Mailer: VM 6.89 under Emacs 20.7.1 From: Matthew Geier Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 16:41:36 +1000 "Bruce A. Burdick, Jr." wrote: > > A reason not to go GPL: companies will be less likely to assist with > development if they can't release their own version without being > _compelled_ to give away everything they've done on it. > > Perhaps Samba should consider the BSD license. > > GPL: please don't. One of the samba team posted a counter to that in the samba list this morning - GPL stops people from enhancing their own version and withholding it from the community . . . This is not 100% true; as I understand it, you can enhance GPLed code and keep your modifications proprietary as long as they are only used in-house. So only resellers are affected. And even resellers should be reassured by the fact that this restriction can work to their benefit: Their competitors will be able to get the enhancements they sell, but they will also be able to get any enhancements sold by competitors. In the GPL world, resellers couldn't compete on features any more, since everybody would be selling approximately the same thing, but doesn't the real money come from support contracts anyway? And the feature list might actually grow faster under GPL. Of course, this is not a legal opinion, but it is based on having recently studied Open Source licenses for a commercially-funded project now getting underway. We decided to adopt the GNU GPL largely because it prohibits "taking the code private" and potentially usurping the active development stream. And we expect companies to be more willing to publish their local enhancements knowing that the playing field is level. With that said, I should mention that I am talking about a CAD application, so we expect the developers and users to come from IC design shops; we do not expect any resellers. These companies are not in the CAD business, so releasing patches is not going to affect their business, even if it helps their competitors indirectly. And they can still keep their locally-developed stuff private, if that is a concern. I realize that netatalk is in a different situation, since there are already a number of resellers who are part of the community, and changing the license would put new constraints on how they do business. So, I'm rooting for GPL, but realize that it may not be appropriate. My $0.02 (albeit greatly inflated). -- Bob Rogers From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Thu Mar 29 13:12:29 2001 Return-Path: Received: from kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.25]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id NAA22094 for ; Thu, 29 Mar 2001 13:12:29 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id NAA06264 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Thu, 29 Mar 2001 13:12:23 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id NAA05589 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Thu, 29 Mar 2001 13:12:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from esc.standard.k12.ca.us (206-227-4-172.kern.org [206.227.4.172]) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id NAA05103 for ; Thu, 29 Mar 2001 13:11:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from [10.1.1.23] ([10.1.1.23]) by esc.standard.k12.ca.us (8.10.2/8.10.2) with ESMTP id f2TIBSG08327 for ; Thu, 29 Mar 2001 10:11:29 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: jdavis@esc.standard.k12.ca.us (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 10:10:45 -0800 To: Netatalk Admin From: Jeff Davis Subject: Re: File & Record Locking? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Ok, I solved my own problem... It appears that the RPM I had originally installed was compiled using flock-locks. I recompiled from source (1.4.99) without that option and the problem appears to be solved. My understanding is that the flock-locks option is a more conservative, file-wide lock, whereas the byte-range locking (which appears to be the default behavior) is more of a record-level or row-level lock. Can someone let me know if I am understanding this correctly? Which begs the question why was the RPM packaged with flock-locks? Hmmm :-/ TIA, -Jeff >Has anyone else experienced problems getting file and record locking >to play nice? My particular issue involves the codebase library, >but I've seen other posts indicating problems with other database >software. Can anyone shed some light on this for me? I'm currently >using 1.4.99, but am getting ready to try 1.5pre1 > >Thanks very much, > >-Jeff >-- > > >Jefferson K. Davis >Technology & IS Manager >Standard School District >1200 North Chester Ave >Bakersfield, CA 93308 >661-392-2110 -- Jefferson K. Davis Technology & IS Manager Standard School District 1200 North Chester Ave Bakersfield, CA 93308 661-392-2110 From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Thu Mar 29 14:44:02 2001 Return-Path: Received: from easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.26]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id OAA24432 for ; Thu, 29 Mar 2001 14:44:02 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id OAA23055 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Thu, 29 Mar 2001 14:44:02 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id OAA23049 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Thu, 29 Mar 2001 14:44:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from beta.tricity.wsu.edu (beta.tricity.wsu.edu [192.31.216.9]) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id OAA22981 for ; Thu, 29 Mar 2001 14:44:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (nightstalker.tricity.wsu.edu [192.31.216.23]) by beta.tricity.wsu.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA15559 for ; Thu, 29 Mar 2001 11:43:58 -0800 Message-Id: <200103291943.LAA15559@beta.tricity.wsu.edu> Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 11:43:58 -0800 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1522473439-1 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v387) From: Richard Eisenman To: Netatalk List X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.387) Subject: OS X and netatalk redux: --Apple-Mail-1522473439-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii Compiling netatalk-1.4b2+asun2.1.4-pre37b with FLOCKS defined on my RH 6.2 box solves my random file write problem, apparently. Haven't had the chance to check it thoroughly yet. --Apple-Mail-1522473439-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=us-ascii Compiling 0000,0000,DEDEnetatalk-1.4b2+asun2.1.4-pre37b with FLOCKS defined on my RH 6.2 box solves my random file write problem, apparently. Haven't had the chance to check it thoroughly yet. --Apple-Mail-1522473439-1-- From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Thu Mar 29 15:32:59 2001 Return-Path: Received: from easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.26]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id PAA25790 for ; Thu, 29 Mar 2001 15:32:59 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id PAA07587 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Thu, 29 Mar 2001 15:32:59 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id PAA07577 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Thu, 29 Mar 2001 15:32:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.jamesltaylor.com (mail.jamesltaylor.com [205.232.131.2]) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id PAA07551 for ; Thu, 29 Mar 2001 15:32:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from [205.232.131.4] (CAD.jamesltaylor.com [205.232.131.4]) by mail.jamesltaylor.com (8.9.3/8.8.7) with ESMTP id QAA16173 for ; Thu, 29 Mar 2001 16:26:48 -0500 User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 15:32:33 -0500 Subject: Re: Sherlock from Mac OS 9 slow From: Vic Landi To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <3AC353EA.BE8432E3@bmpsystems.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit I've been looking for a solution as well, however I'm afraid there is not one yet. The problem is that the Mac OS uses a db to make the searches faster (a hidden file that makes records on where everything is) So when you do a sherlock search on a netatalk server you actively search through the directory tree, taking a lot of time. Solutions to this have been posed... These include the ext3 file system (if and when it comes out) and rasierfs (this I'm unsure of) However, from what I saw in the public beta of OS X, even that was slower, but not as slow... could it be that apple has devised a way of their own? Vic Landi > From: "Bernard M. Piller" > Organization: bmp System Support - keep your systems running > Reply-To: bernard@bmpsystems.com > Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 17:25:30 +0200 > To: netatalk-admins@umich.edu > Subject: Sherlock from Mac OS 9 slow > Resent-From: netatalk-admins@umich.edu > Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 10:34:45 -0500 (EST) > > Hi, > > I have a RedHat 6.2 Server running and while the server itself is very fast, > Sherlock is extremly slow when doing searches from Mac OS 9 clients. The > server volumes are large, with about 50GB of data on every drive. > > I know there where problems with netatalk not supporting the FPCatSearch > function which Sherlock uses. > > Is this fixed in some version of netatalk out there on the net or does > someone know another solution to this problem? > > Bernard > > -- > www.bmpsystems.com > +43 664 336 9196 From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Thu Mar 29 15:50:33 2001 Return-Path: Received: from funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.27]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id PAA26265 for ; Thu, 29 Mar 2001 15:50:33 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id PAA17093 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Thu, 29 Mar 2001 15:50:26 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id PAA17074 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Thu, 29 Mar 2001 15:50:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from local (customer-host-145.yellowspace.net [213.183.5.145]) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with SMTP id PAA17013 for ; Thu, 29 Mar 2001 15:50:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from [213.183.5.146] ([213.183.5.146] verified) by local (Stalker SMTP Server 1.7) with ESMTP id S.0000013647 for ; Thu, 29 Mar 2001 22:52:18 +0100 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: lopez.on.the.lists@mail.yellowspace.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3AC35DFB.347EC063@euc.de> References: <3AC35DFB.347EC063@euc.de> Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 22:49:03 +0200 To: netatalk-admins@umich.edu From: Lorenzo Perone Subject: Re: clients freezing while copying Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 18:08 Uhr +0200 29.03.2001, Mac Conin wrote: >something strange her... > >my try-out of netatalk (version 1.4.99-5 from the Suse 7.1 distr. on an >intel c667) >seemed for the moment ok. Now that I'm testing stability with copying >large amounts >of files (~7.000 files with a total of approx. 200 MB) strange things >are coming up. >the first 500-600 files are going through as expected. After that the >process comes >more and more to a halt. It ends up with the clinet freezing (or nearly >because the >client is so busy trying to copy). When I'm killing the afpd on the >server the >clients' behaviour is normal again. Restarting the afpd and copying >smallamounts of >data is ok until I try to copy again larger numers of files > >Yes, I'm only using TCP - no ddp. > >I don't think its the network itself (the hardware) because the rst of the >servers are working fine. > >Any help would be appreciated (I dont' wanna install another windoze...). > > Hi there... - Dunno if this can help, but I had a very similar symptom on LinuxPPC with netatalk, and it turned out to be an IDE related problem.: have a look at the kernel messages - in my case, the kernel was telling hdc: dma_intr: status=0x58 { DreiveReady SeekComplete DataRequest } hdc: status timeout: status=0xd0 { Busy } hdc: drive not ready for command ide1: reset: success often preceeded and / or followed by "lost interrupt". When the ide bus got reset, DMA support was switched off too, thus netatalk became much slower as anything else accessing the disk. For some times this ide went unnoticed, until the server began to panic and eventually crashed. And after restart, on that filesystem, we had a MESS and had to reformat it. No way of recovering anything. Actually in my case (Power Macintosh G3 DT/266, Maxtor 40GB on /dev/hdc) I couldn't solve the problem. It seemed to get a lot better with hdparm /dev/hdc -d1 -m16 -k1 (so it kept the setting over resets), but my solution was to remove it from that server and serve that disk over a PC on ide0. Anyway - for god's sake, hdparm is _the_ troubleshooter 4 most of disk-access related performance issues.... ;-) - In another case I had on the same server, the server started getting slower after about 800MB transfer, then freezed at about 1 GB (actually fluctuating. at times, 300MB, at times, 1GB.). Banning the network card of that particular client I was uploading from removed this problem (!!). I understood this when I saw that other clients (B/W G3, G4s, iMacs) were uploading seemlessly and fast. I strongly reccommend to _ban_ any MacSense Fast Ethernet cards from Your network. The same model used to crash ASIP, too. Note: At that time the interrupt problem described above had not been identified, so it could have been part of the cause, but this upload was actually occurring on another fs (/dev/hda). .....regards, :-) Lorenzo From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Thu Mar 29 16:05:21 2001 Return-Path: Received: from funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.27]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id QAA26646 for ; Thu, 29 Mar 2001 16:05:21 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id QAA08706 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Thu, 29 Mar 2001 16:05:14 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id QAA08678 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Thu, 29 Mar 2001 16:05:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from local (customer-host-145.yellowspace.net [213.183.5.145] (may be forged)) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with SMTP id QAA08354 for ; Thu, 29 Mar 2001 16:05:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from [213.183.5.146] ([213.183.5.146] verified) by local (Stalker SMTP Server 1.7) with ESMTP id S.0000013650; Thu, 29 Mar 2001 23:07:17 +0100 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: lopez.on.the.lists@mail.yellowspace.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 23:04:55 +0200 To: Vic Landi From: Lorenzo Perone Subject: Re: Sherlock from Mac OS 9 slow Cc: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 15:32 Uhr -0500 29.03.2001, Vic Landi wrote: >I've been looking for a solution as well, however I'm afraid there is not >one yet. The problem is that the Mac OS uses a db to make the searches >faster (a hidden file that makes records on where everything is) So when >you do a sherlock search on a netatalk server you actively search through >the directory tree, taking a lot of time. Solutions to this have been >posed... These include the ext3 file system (if and when it comes out) and >rasierfs (this I'm unsure of) Hi! I don't understand why a different filesystem should be needed. I mean, _find_ works way faster than sherlock searches on netatalk - wouldn't it be possible to link to find or its library, or use its sources to implement a faster search? I made some tests over a Perl CGI using find (plannig to make a sherlock plug-in with file:// urls), and though slower than sherlock-on-asip, it was very usable for what concerns the speed (on netatalk sherlock is unusable, let's face it - at least on volumes larger than 4GB). Unfortunately, because my netatalk is not yet using codepages, I can't use this CGI yet (url / character conversion issues...). If I get to finish it and it looks usable I can post that cgi here, but I'd prefer somebody could implement something like find-in-netatalk...... :-) Lorenzo >However, from what I saw in the public beta of OS X, even that was slower, >but not as slow... could it be that apple has devised a way of their own? > >Vic Landi > >> From: "Bernard M. Piller" >> Organization: bmp System Support - keep your systems running >> Reply-To: bernard@bmpsystems.com >> Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 17:25:30 +0200 >> To: netatalk-admins@umich.edu >> Subject: Sherlock from Mac OS 9 slow >> Resent-From: netatalk-admins@umich.edu >> Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 10:34:45 -0500 (EST) >> >> Hi, >> >> I have a RedHat 6.2 Server running and while the server itself is very fast, >> Sherlock is extremly slow when doing searches from Mac OS 9 clients. The >> server volumes are large, with about 50GB of data on every drive. >> >> I know there where problems with netatalk not supporting the FPCatSearch >> function which Sherlock uses. >> >> Is this fixed in some version of netatalk out there on the net or does >> someone know another solution to this problem? >> >> Bernard >> >> -- >> www.bmpsystems.com >> +43 664 336 9196 From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Thu Mar 29 16:15:11 2001 Return-Path: Received: from easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.26]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id QAA27198 for ; Thu, 29 Mar 2001 16:15:11 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id QAA12485 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Thu, 29 Mar 2001 16:15:11 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id QAA12456 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Thu, 29 Mar 2001 16:14:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from local (customer-host-145.yellowspace.net [213.183.5.145]) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with SMTP id QAA12370 for ; Thu, 29 Mar 2001 16:14:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from [213.183.5.146] ([213.183.5.146] verified) by local (Stalker SMTP Server 1.7) with ESMTP id S.0000013652 for ; Thu, 29 Mar 2001 23:17:05 +0100 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: lopez.on.the.lists@mail.yellowspace.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <974B0191A4C6D31192D10090279CCC7B321B19@AMMINISTRAZIONE> References: <974B0191A4C6D31192D10090279CCC7B321B19@AMMINISTRAZIONE> Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 23:14:44 +0200 To: netatalk-admins@umich.edu From: Lorenzo Perone Subject: Re: Problem with more then one netatalk server Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 18:25 Uhr +0200 29.03.2001, Scodeller Marco wrote: > > Hello, >> we have problem in using netatalk in the moment that there is more then >> one netatalk server on the same network. >> What happens is that in the chooser of the macintosh you can see and >> connect only one of them. >> How is it possible to solve this problem? >> Regards. >> >> Scodeller Marco >> HYPHEN- GROUP >> HYPHEN- ITALIA * GRAPH-OS * ANY.COM * KEY ACCESS >> Via A. de Gasperi, 17 >> 37013 Caprino Vr.se Verona - Italy >> Phone +39 045 7242446 >> Fax +39 045 7242629 >> http://www.hyphen-italia.com >> E-mail: scodeller.m@hyphen-italia.com >> >> - do the servers have the same hostnames(!)? - or do you have the same share name in all afpd.confs (maybe while copying the files across the servers)? - or do some servers (especially those with more than one NIC) miss the ethX line in atalkd.conf? - is atalkd started on those other machines....? we have 3 netatalks on the same network and i can see all of them. All of them have the eth information stored in atalkd.conf - didn't show up otherwise. .... if you can't get some servers to show up, either because they're on different physical networks or for any other reason, remember you can always 'advertise' those servers from the one that is visible, by adding -ipaddr servers in afpd.conf (it is described clearly in the conf comments) :-) Lorenzo From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Thu Mar 29 16:20:08 2001 Return-Path: Received: from easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.26]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id QAA27334 for ; Thu, 29 Mar 2001 16:20:07 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id QAA20436 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Thu, 29 Mar 2001 16:20:07 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id QAA20412 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Thu, 29 Mar 2001 16:20:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.byte-productions.com (mail.byte-productions.com [12.32.73.213]) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id QAA20355 for ; Thu, 29 Mar 2001 16:20:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from [12.32.73.194] (byte-1.byte-productions.com [12.32.73.194]) by mail.byte-productions.com (8.9.3/8.8.7) with ESMTP id QAA24933 for ; Thu, 29 Mar 2001 16:20:06 -0500 User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 16:20:10 -0500 Subject: Re: Illustrator EPS files From: Tom Barrons To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Just an FYI. I just spoke to a system administrator who does use AppleShare IP Server. He's using version 6.03 of that and he has about 6 artists in their department using Illustrator 9.02 in regular production and they have not experienced this problem. Still don't have conclusive evidence that it's an isssue in Illustator or netatalk. >> From: Tom Barrons >> Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 13:10:11 -0500 >> To: netatalk >> Subject: RE: Illustrator EPS files >> Resent-From: netatalk-admins@umich.edu >> Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 13:19:38 -0500 (EST) >> >> Dan, Actually I don't think my trials indicate the problem is netatalk, it >> might be Illustrator that has the problem. As Alan suggested Adobe may have >> mad a change in version 9 that is the culprit. Since I don't own Apple's >> AppleShare IP Server, I can't test it to verify either case. >> >> I'm going to post my findings to Adobe and then keep an eye on their site to >> see if they patch it cause I too would like this art department to us the >> faster connection. Which technically they can do by saving the file to >> their local workstations and then copying it over the network to the server >> (which I'd rather they did anyhow). >> >> Though If it can be proven to be a netatalk issue it probably should be >> added as a future feature to relieve frustration for network admins, because >> as I can attest to it's hard to break the old bad habbits of an entire art >> department. >> >>> From: "Daniel E. Lautenschleger" >>> Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 10:54:15 -0600 (CST) >>> To: Tom Barrons >>> Cc: >>> Subject: Re: Illustrator EPS files >>> >>> I would add this (ability to save EPS files via AppleShareIP) to the >>> future feature list as using AppleShare IP is much faster than AppleShare >>> itself. >>> >>> Thanks for the info! >>> >>> -Dan >>> >> From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Thu Mar 29 17:19:56 2001 Return-Path: Received: from funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.27]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id RAA29157 for ; Thu, 29 Mar 2001 17:19:56 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id RAA10211 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Thu, 29 Mar 2001 17:19:49 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id RAA10203 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Thu, 29 Mar 2001 17:19:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.jamesltaylor.com (mail.jamesltaylor.com [205.232.131.2]) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id RAA10182 for ; Thu, 29 Mar 2001 17:19:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from [205.232.131.4] (CAD.jamesltaylor.com [205.232.131.4]) by mail.jamesltaylor.com (8.9.3/8.8.7) with ESMTP id SAA16702 for ; Thu, 29 Mar 2001 18:14:08 -0500 User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 17:19:52 -0500 Subject: Re: Sherlock from Mac OS 9 slow From: Vic Landi To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Problem is that _find_ is usually generated every night by cron... The mac does it on the fly... if you wanted to repeat the process, you'd be choking up a lot of time running the update every second... Don't ask me about the file system thing... I'm just relating what I was told the last time when I brought this up... > From: Lorenzo Perone > Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 23:04:55 +0200 > To: Vic Landi > Cc: > Subject: Re: Sherlock from Mac OS 9 slow > Resent-From: netatalk-admins@umich.edu > Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 16:12:35 -0500 (EST) > > At 15:32 Uhr -0500 29.03.2001, Vic Landi wrote: >> I've been looking for a solution as well, however I'm afraid there is not >> one yet. The problem is that the Mac OS uses a db to make the searches >> faster (a hidden file that makes records on where everything is) So when >> you do a sherlock search on a netatalk server you actively search through >> the directory tree, taking a lot of time. Solutions to this have been >> posed... These include the ext3 file system (if and when it comes out) and >> rasierfs (this I'm unsure of) > > > Hi! > > I don't understand why a different filesystem should be needed. > I mean, _find_ works way faster than sherlock searches on netatalk - wouldn't > it be possible to link to find or its library, or use its sources to implement > a faster search? > I made some tests over a Perl CGI using find (plannig to make a sherlock > plug-in with file:// urls), and though slower than sherlock-on-asip, it was > very usable for what concerns the speed (on netatalk sherlock is unusable, > let's face it - at least on volumes larger than 4GB). > Unfortunately, because my netatalk is not yet using codepages, I can't use > this CGI yet (url / character conversion issues...). > If I get to finish it and it looks usable I can post that cgi here, but I'd > prefer somebody could implement something like find-in-netatalk...... > > :-) > > > Lorenzo > > >> However, from what I saw in the public beta of OS X, even that was slower, >> but not as slow... could it be that apple has devised a way of their own? >> >> Vic Landi >> >>> From: "Bernard M. Piller" >>> Organization: bmp System Support - keep your systems running >>> Reply-To: bernard@bmpsystems.com >>> Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 17:25:30 +0200 >>> To: netatalk-admins@umich.edu >>> Subject: Sherlock from Mac OS 9 slow >>> Resent-From: netatalk-admins@umich.edu >>> Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 10:34:45 -0500 (EST) >>> >>> Hi, >>> >>> I have a RedHat 6.2 Server running and while the server itself is very fast, >>> Sherlock is extremly slow when doing searches from Mac OS 9 clients. The >>> server volumes are large, with about 50GB of data on every drive. >>> >>> I know there where problems with netatalk not supporting the FPCatSearch >>> function which Sherlock uses. >>> >>> Is this fixed in some version of netatalk out there on the net or does >>> someone know another solution to this problem? >>> >>> Bernard >>> >>> -- >>> www.bmpsystems.com >>> +43 664 336 9196 From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Thu Mar 29 20:18:29 2001 Return-Path: Received: from funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.27]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id UAA03823 for ; Thu, 29 Mar 2001 20:18:29 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id UAA19265 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Thu, 29 Mar 2001 20:18:22 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id UAA19260 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Thu, 29 Mar 2001 20:18:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from local (customer-host-145.yellowspace.net [213.183.5.145] (may be forged)) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with SMTP id UAA19226 for ; Thu, 29 Mar 2001 20:18:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from [213.183.5.146] ([213.183.5.146] verified) by local (Stalker SMTP Server 1.7) with ESMTP id S.0000013673 for ; Fri, 30 Mar 2001 03:20:39 +0100 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: lopez.on.the.lists@mail.yellowspace.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 03:18:18 +0200 To: netatalk-admins@umich.edu From: Lorenzo Perone Subject: Re: Sherlock from Mac OS 9 slow Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" At 17:19 Uhr -0500 29.03.2001, Vic Landi wrote: >Problem is that _find_ is usually generated every night by cron... The mac >does it on the fly... if you wanted to repeat the process, you'd be choking >up a lot of time running the update every second... You seem to be right. /usr/bin/finding on 60gigs of hds took 10 mins 14 secs.. (G3 DT/ 266) while OS9 on a G4 needs _20 secs_ on the same amount of data. It looks like some kind of index is being made 'on the fly'... But: the same search that took 46 secs with find -iname, took _25_ minutes with netatalk to complete (for 625 result items in 16 Gigs). that can't be true. Find is terribly slow but, still, usable - waiting for one neta-search to complete you get old. It would still be an improvement x30 to implement find's methods... on the other hand, as for alternatives: i think a combination of apache (Options Indexes et al.), htdig and a sherlock-plug-in might do a good job for content-based finding, that could partially ease the pain of not having decent name searches. I still don't know what Sherlock does with a link like file:///folder/file.... he might as well try to open it with a browser and for sure there'll be no 'Open Enclosed Folder' option available. So it might also involve writing a small 'Neta-htdig-Sherlock....' or an app handling a 'special protocol' like netatalk://. In this case one could search with a browser and the link would then reveal (via a special app catching the appropriate event) the file.... yes, it's getting tricky. ;-! Lorenzo >Don't ask me about the file system thing... I'm just relating what I was >told the last time when I brought this up... > >> From: Lorenzo Perone >> Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 23:04:55 +0200 >> To: Vic Landi >> Cc: >> Subject: Re: Sherlock from Mac OS 9 slow >> Resent-From: netatalk-admins@umich.edu >> Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 16:12:35 -0500 (EST) >> >> At 15:32 Uhr -0500 29.03.2001, Vic Landi wrote: >>> I've been looking for a solution as well, however I'm afraid there is not >>> one yet. The problem is that the Mac OS uses a db to make the searches >>> faster (a hidden file that makes records on where everything is) So when >>> you do a sherlock search on a netatalk server you actively search through >>> the directory tree, taking a lot of time. Solutions to this have been >>> posed... These include the ext3 file system (if and when it comes out) and >>> rasierfs (this I'm unsure of) >> >> >> Hi! >> >> I don't understand why a different filesystem should be needed. >> I mean, _find_ works way faster than sherlock searches on netatalk >>- wouldn't >> it be possible to link to find or its library, or use its sources >>to implement >> a faster search? >> I made some tests over a Perl CGI using find (plannig to make a sherlock >> plug-in with file:// urls), and though slower than sherlock-on-asip, it was >> very usable for what concerns the speed (on netatalk sherlock is unusable, >> let's face it - at least on volumes larger than 4GB). >> Unfortunately, because my netatalk is not yet using codepages, I can't use >> this CGI yet (url / character conversion issues...). >> If I get to finish it and it looks usable I can post that cgi here, but I'd >> prefer somebody could implement something like find-in-netatalk...... >> >> :-) >> >> >> Lorenzo >> >> >>> However, from what I saw in the public beta of OS X, even that was slower, >>> but not as slow... could it be that apple has devised a way of their own? >>> >>> Vic Landi >>> >>>> From: "Bernard M. Piller" >>>> Organization: bmp System Support - keep your systems running >>>> Reply-To: bernard@bmpsystems.com >>>> Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 17:25:30 +0200 >>>> To: netatalk-admins@umich.edu >>>> Subject: Sherlock from Mac OS 9 slow >>>> Resent-From: netatalk-admins@umich.edu >>>> Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 10:34:45 -0500 (EST) >>>> >>>> Hi, >>>> >>>> I have a RedHat 6.2 Server running and while the server itself >>>>is very fast, > >>> Sherlock is extremly slow when doing searches from Mac OS 9 clients. The > >>> server volumes are large, with about 50GB of data on every drive. >>>> >>>> I know there where problems with netatalk not supporting the FPCatSearch >>>> function which Sherlock uses. >>>> >>>> Is this fixed in some version of netatalk out there on the net or does >>>> someone know another solution to this problem? >>>> >>>> Bernard >>>> >>>> -- >>>> www.bmpsystems.com >>>> +43 664 336 9196 From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Fri Mar 30 05:08:35 2001 Return-Path: Received: from kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.25]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id FAA14286 for ; Fri, 30 Mar 2001 05:08:34 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id FAA06933 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Fri, 30 Mar 2001 05:08:34 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id FAA06923 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Fri, 30 Mar 2001 05:08:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from postfix2-1.free.fr (postfix2-1.free.fr [213.228.0.9]) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id FAA06909 for ; Fri, 30 Mar 2001 05:08:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from [213.228.51.211] (marseille-1-a7-51-211.dial.proxad.net [213.228.51.211]) by postfix2-1.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 64001C290 for ; Fri, 30 Mar 2001 12:08:30 +0200 (CEST) X-Sender: mjm.jmy@free.fr (Unverified) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 12:08:32 +0200 To: netatalk-admins@umich.edu From: jean-michel meyer Subject: Trouble configuring netbsd mac68k Netatalk Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu id FAA14286 Hello, i use mac68k netbsd for a year now and i enjoy to have a unix box at home for testing Apache perl cgi and mySQL. I run NetBSD1.4.2 on a Quadra660AV 38 MoRam and 1 Go HD connected to my Lan with a 10Bt hub, and 3 mac running macos8.6. The kernel is a Generic installed from the macos installer. Tired to telnet or ftp beetwen a MacOS and a Unix box, i want to play directly with a text file on the NetBSD, actually write with BBEdit a text file residing on the NetBSD box. Is that possible ? I guess i do it every days beetwen two Mac. As long as it seem not to work (i did conpile the Netatalk source, configure the *.conf file, read the online FAQ) properly, the server appear in the MacOS chooser, but i can't connect to the folder. the error i get is : "afpd[221] Can't register AFPD myserver:afpd@" (modifing the setting change the error n° ->212 215 216 217 221 235 237). So my questions are : 1/ can some nice soul correct the setting to share one folder. I did set : /etc/atalkd.conf : mc0 -phase 2 -net 0-65554 -addr 45632.190 #i 'm going to install a second ethernet port on the machine rc.atalk : #commented all lines concerning printer sharing (uncomment them do not solve the problems) /usr/local/atalk/etc/AppleVolumes.system : folder -g mjm kak jmy #etc...did change nothing else. /usr/local/atalk/etc/.default : #no change, i don't want to get any mac folder from NetBSD box. /usr/local/atalk/etc/afpd.conf : #as show in the netatalk faq myserver -port 12000 -address 192.0.1.5 /path/to/folder/AppleVolumes : #empty, just the ~ So what is the mistake ? Any help ? MJM ------------------------------------------------------- Jean-Michel MEYER - Journaliste - Photographe F-13100 Aix-en-Provence mailto://mjm@aix.pacwan.net http://www.azur-press.com ------------------------------------------------------- From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Fri Mar 30 08:44:50 2001 Return-Path: Received: from easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.26]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id IAA17648 for ; Fri, 30 Mar 2001 08:44:50 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id IAA04880 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Fri, 30 Mar 2001 08:44:50 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id IAA04857 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Fri, 30 Mar 2001 08:44:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from postfix2-2.free.fr (postfix2-2.free.fr [213.228.0.140]) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id IAA04813 for ; Fri, 30 Mar 2001 08:44:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from [212.27.61.225] (marseille-1-a7-61-225.dial.proxad.net [212.27.61.225]) by postfix2-2.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id F34A36B81F for ; Fri, 30 Mar 2001 15:44:42 +0200 (CEST) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 15:42:08 +0200 To: netatalk-admins@umich.edu From: jean-michel meyer Subject: Trouble configuring netbsd mac68k Netatalk Forgot my previous message. "Playing" (trying various configurations during two days, should not do that, sure) with the options did solve the problem, which was about option (group, guest, addresse, volume name, to remove). Sorry for the mess. MJM ------------------------------------------------------- Jean-Michel MEYER - Journaliste - Photographe F-13100 Aix-en-Provence mailto://mjm@aix.pacwan.net http://www.azur-press.com ------------------------------------------------------- From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Fri Mar 30 14:03:07 2001 Return-Path: Received: from funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.27]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id OAA25733 for ; Fri, 30 Mar 2001 14:03:06 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id OAA15771 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Fri, 30 Mar 2001 14:02:59 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id OAA15758 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Fri, 30 Mar 2001 14:02:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.euc.de (mail.euc.de [195.63.193.18]) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id OAA15705 for ; Fri, 30 Mar 2001 14:02:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from euc.de (euc-punktum.euc.de [195.63.193.116]) by mail.euc.de (8.9.3/8.9.3/SuSE Linux 8.9.3-0.1) with ESMTP id UAA16324 for ; Fri, 30 Mar 2001 20:58:56 +0200 Message-ID: <3AC4D771.501DB4F@euc.de> Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 20:58:57 +0200 From: Mac Conin Organization: EUC Online Service GmbH X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "netatalk-admins@umich.edu" Subject: setdirowner: chown 16777216/-1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit hmm, running now the netatalk-1.5pre5 and have as I recognized as any others the problem of not copying to the server. /var/log/messages tells an error :setdirowner: chown 16777216/-1 to set the proper rights in the /.Appledouble files. changing the /usr/include/sys/fcntl.h variable O_RDW from 2 to 0666 as mentiond does not help. (see for this on http://sourceforge.net/projects/netatalk/) by the way : is there a stable system running netatalk with a bundle of mac-users hooked up not knowing what linux is? *bg* -- --schnipp-- ----------------------------------------------------------- Mac Conin EUC Online Service GmbH From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Fri Mar 30 14:41:45 2001 Return-Path: Received: from funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.27]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id OAA27062 for ; Fri, 30 Mar 2001 14:41:45 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id OAA14283 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Fri, 30 Mar 2001 14:41:38 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id OAA14256 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Fri, 30 Mar 2001 14:41:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from potsdam.edu (potsdam.edu [137.143.110.101]) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with SMTP id OAA14207 for ; Fri, 30 Mar 2001 14:41:35 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 1928 invoked by alias); 30 Mar 2001 19:41:39 -0000 Received: (qmail 1781 invoked by uid 0); 30 Mar 2001 19:41:26 -0000 Received: from comp10574.potsdam.edu (HELO mail.potsdam.edu) (137.143.111.133) by potsdam.edu with SMTP; 30 Mar 2001 19:41:26 -0000 Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 16:41:23 -0500 From: Matthew Keller To: "Bruce A. Burdick, Jr." Cc: netatalk-admins@umich.edu, netatalk-devel@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [Netatalk-devel] Re: Another reason to go GPL Message-ID: <20010328164123.C2675@comp10574.potsdam.edu> References: <20010328120100.I2675@comp10574.potsdam.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: ; from bucky@interaccess.com on Wed, Mar 28, 2001 at 14:58:31 -0500 X-Mailer: Balsa 1.1.2 Lines: 52 On 2001.03.28 14:58:31 -0500 "Bruce A. Burdick, Jr." wrote: > My fault. Bad choice of words. I misinterpreted you: I thought you were > implying that the discussion had raged and ended on devel list. No problem - My only statement regarding the lists was that I didn't want to have to re-state everything we just spent a month or two discussing on the Netatalk-devel list. ALWAYS happy to hear new comments, opinions, and engage in productive, rational discussions. > Your points have been well-taken. And as you are a principal player in > netatalk's development, you _must_ have much more say than I (a > gregarious user of netatalk), and _your_ desires must be reflected in > the license you all choose. Let's reword "a principal player" to "hopefully a future principle player". I have a lot of code I'd like to see in Netatalk - some of it wholesale stolen from Samba, some of it that I've written previously and could/have already convinced the money-people that "own" it to allow me to release if Netatalk GPL's - But I quite honestly have nothing but bugfixes in the present tree. My time and energies are directed elsewhere at this time. > I was also concerned, given the comments of others, > that the GPL was going to be adopted in Grand Lemming Style (i.e. because > "everyone else is doing it"). Yes, I will freely admit that this is always a concern - I have clients who want to jump in and GPL all of their code and I have to sit down with them and slow things down: Educate them as to the ramifications, etc. - We also have Netatalk constituents who want to GPL the code for the wrong reasons (or no reason at all, other than "getting locking from Samba" (which is only one of many benefits of GPLing this project). > I'm glad we agree that this is an important issue. As am I! I am working very hard at ensuring that no one gets left in the dust over any switch we make (unless they are simply too arrogant to even HAVE GPL'd code/binaries on their system because of irrational distate - And yes, sadly enough, these people do exist), and also working EQUALLY hard to make sure that not only do we switch - if we switch - for the "right reasons", but that everyone understands what they are (whether they agree with them or not. ;) -- Matthew Keller Enterprise System Analyst Computing & Technology Services Information Services Division State University of NY at Potsdam http://mattwork.potsdam.edu/ From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Sat Mar 31 03:47:25 2001 Return-Path: Received: from funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.27]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id DAA16616 for ; Sat, 31 Mar 2001 03:47:25 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id DAA22760 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Sat, 31 Mar 2001 03:47:17 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id DAA22746 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Sat, 31 Mar 2001 03:47:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from local (customer-host-145.yellowspace.net [213.183.5.145]) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with SMTP id DAA22692 for ; Sat, 31 Mar 2001 03:47:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from [213.183.5.146] ([213.183.5.146] verified) by local (Stalker SMTP Server 1.7) with ESMTP id S.0000013861 for ; Sat, 31 Mar 2001 10:49:36 +0100 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: lopez.on.the.lists@mail.yellowspace.net (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2001 10:47:17 +0200 To: Netatalk-Admins@umich.edu From: Lorenzo Perone Subject: Re: Mac OS X and netatalk... Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hi fellow neta-admins, I've been 'going down deep' into the OSX/netatalk adventure ;-) I've tried the -DFLOCKS (adding it to the DEFS line - correct?) thing and pre-asun2.1.4-38b_test. No success, I get -43 and -37 errors _everywhere_ (uploading and downloading) - looks like an .AppleDouble problem? (thought they were related to resources, those errors). But the same dirs used to work perfectly with pre3m (I'll check thisone out, anyway!). With pre-asun2.1.4-37b it got better: Mounts OK, downloads and gives the -43 error only on some files. But then, after throwing one copied folder to the trash, when trying to empty it, I get a message with 'not enough privileges to perform operation'. Weird enough: I got into the terminal, su-rooted (with an enabled root account, via NetInfoManager). This is what I got when I tried to rm the stuff in /Users/lopez/.Trash: override rwx------ lopez/staff for 6100's/Preferences/UMAX/VistaScan/Viewer Files/BRI4.JPG? y rm: 6100's/Preferences/UMAX/VistaScan/Viewer Files/BRI4.JPG: Operation not permitted I tried to chmod 660 all the stuff in there: root# chmod -R 660 * chmod: 6100's//Preferences/UMAX/VistaScan/Viewer Files/Y9.JPG: Operation not permitted sort of weird! How can I get rid of that stuff now?? it could well be that it's the names of that folder I tried with, which contain 'Preferences' and other strange mac chars. Anyway, an ls -la in the undeletable folder items gives: -rwx------ 1 lopez staff 6988 May 27 1998 Y5_4.JPG -rwx------ 1 lopez staff 6940 May 27 1998 Y5_5.JPG .... After testing with other folders, things looked much better, but I still get - unsufficient privileges - an item with the name 'Icon' already exists - some other errors but with other dirs I did not have the trashing-permission problem........ ....at least, I got to mount the volumes on Mac OS X 10.0.0, which I never got to work with netatalk 1.4.99 and sourceforge-successors. I'd be glad if someone has a solution...... anyway, I'm sure as soon as rufustfirefly or asun or anybody else involved will get to reproduce the problems, they'll be solved. Damned...... I'd really like to start using OSX now, despite it being some kind of 'Beta 2'. I tried hard, with all versions of netatalk I could find. I'm not a C programmer, just a web developer, and sysadmin. I compiled mostly on LinuxPPC (cause there I have our most important files). :-( Allright, now I'll reboot into macos9, and since it worked so well with OS9, switch back to 1.5pre3........ Lorenzo p.s. here's a list of my experiments....... if it can be useful to anybody, anyway. I mean, it can be a reference only to those that see matching experiences in at least 2 cases ;) === 1.4b2+asun2.1.3: === Same experience with the following OSes: SuSE Linux 6.3/Intel: SuSE Linux 7.0/Intel SuSE Linux 7.0/PPC LinuxPPC 2000 Q4 - distri standard; - works with OS9, slow. resource, ownership, ID related problems on OS9; - OSX client connects and mounts, but plenty of problems when opening / editing files; === netatalk-pre-asun2.1.4-38b_test === LinuxPPC 2000 Q4 - works with OS9, FAST. seems OK on OS9, but I'd have to make more tests, no time now. - OSX client connects and mounts, but -43 and -37 errors EVERYWHERE, also with files without resources or type/creators; === netatalk-pre-asun2.1.4-37b=== LinuxPPC 2000 Q4 - OS9 not tested yet - OSX client connects and mounts, but -43 and -37 errors when copying, but only on some files. - When putting things of SOME folders to the trash (looks like folder name problems!), can't empty trash 'not enough privileges' - otherwise _very fast_ on OSX, also on many folders and files! === netatalk-1.4.99-0.20001108 === SuSE Linux 6.3/Intel: - works with OS9; fast. alias problems; - OSX clients get disconnected immediately after share choice; LinuxPPC 2000 Q4: - compiled but didn't work: disconnect upon file share choice with OS9. === netatalk-1.5pre3 === SuSE Linux 6.3/Intel: - works with OS9; fast. folder alias problems; - OSX clients get disconnected immediately after share choice; slow sherlock name searches; - best choice for me now (production). SuSE Linux 7.0/Intel - works with OS9; fast. folder alias problems; - OSX clients get disconnected immediately after share choice; slow sherlock name searches; - best choice for me now (production). LinuxPPC 2000 Q4 - configure-related problems (setpgrp...), 'commented' out to get ahead. - works with OS9; fast. folder alias problems; extremely slow sherlock name searches; - OSX clients get disconnected immediately after share choice; - best choice for me now (production). === netatalk-1.5pre4 === LinuxPPC 2000 Q4 - compiled but didn't work: disconnect upon file share choice with OS9 (same problem as with OSX). SuSE Linux 6.3/Intel: - problems compiling === netatalk-1.5pre5 === LinuxPPC 2000 Q4 - configure-related problems (can not check if setpgrp is cross compiling...), 'commented' out some configure lines to get ahead. - suspicious messages when making - install problems: codepages not found? had to get them from an older /etc/atalk file - after a few hours of work, when i came back and netatalk had crashed. - switched back to pre3 ..... :-| p.p.s. I like thisone quite a bit. It' s just about almost everything: >======================================================== > >"Always ask the question, never assume the answer." > Marcus Radich 1999 > >======================================================== assuming is a bad habit...... difficult to give up, in some cases, too...... (it always gives the illusion to be effective - especially in programming issues) ;-) Lorenzo At 12:09 Uhr +1200 29.03.2001, Marcus Radich wrote: >OK, I originally found that asun2.1.3 was wicked for serving quark dox, but when I updated to 214, I started having file locking problems with quark (typical). Also seems to happen with codewarrior(noted by a friend). >So after reading through asun's notes, I found a section which refers to the "old style" of byte locking. Adding the DEF= line and recompiling works perfectly. I have over 20 servers in production proving that! > >Go to: ftp://ftp.cobaltnet.com/pub/users/asun/testing/ if you need it. > >I'm currently running MacOS X 4L5 (10.0.1), which BTW is quite a bit snappier than 4K78 (10.0.0), and connecting to these servers shows no issues. Confirmed and tested! > >(Also, for those "Mac OS X is too slow" people. Get 10.0.1 when it comes out (soon), and get Plus for X. It allows you to change Genie to scale and other less-CPU-intensive things. Look on versiontracker for a link to this) > >I still use 1.4b2+asun214-37b because it works. I think I will start experimenting with 1.5 soon. > >mrad01 > > >At 12:08 PM -0500 28/3/2001, Steven Karel wrote: >>1. Just wanted to concur with Marcus that netatalk-1.4b2+asun2.1.4-pre37b >>works fine with the appleshare client in OS X 10.0,.whereas the public >>beta failed horribly . Not all versions of netatalk are that well behaved, >>however. I haven't tested exhaustively, but I do know that 37b works on at >>least 4 of our servers (RH 6.2/RH 7.0). Also, the old version 1.4b2-2.1.3 >>seems to work as well. >> >>2. Setting -DUSE_FLOCK_LOCKS doesn't seem to be necessary for this >>purpose, although it may help with file locking for other reasons. Marcus, >>if you could be so kind, can you explain for us again what problems it >>solves, and where exactly you recommend setting it? (I added >>-DUSE_FLOCK_LOCKS in the sys/linux/Makefile DEFS= line) >> >>README.ASUN says: >> >> >> byte locks should now work. if you want to enable the old way >> of doing things, add -DUSE_FLOCK_LOCKS. >> >> >> >>thanks, >> >>stevne >> >> On Wed, 28 >>Mar 2001, Marcus Radich wrote: >> >>> >>> BTW, netatalk 1.4b2+asun 214 -37b works very well with Mac OS X as >>> long as you add the DEFS= -DFLOCKS thingy to the sys/Linux/Makefile >>> before you compile. I haven't tried 1.5. You can only connect via IP >>> (great!) and transferring files large and small has worked for me >>> since 4K46 >>> >>> mrad01 >>> > > > >-- >======================================================== > >"Always ask the question, never assume the answer." > Marcus Radich 1999 > >======================================================== From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Sat Mar 31 08:08:00 2001 Return-Path: Received: from kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.25]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id IAA20739 for ; Sat, 31 Mar 2001 08:08:00 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id IAA28731 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Sat, 31 Mar 2001 08:08:00 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id IAA28726 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Sat, 31 Mar 2001 08:08:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.euc.de (mail.euc.de [195.63.193.18]) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id IAA28716 for ; Sat, 31 Mar 2001 08:07:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from euc.de (euc-punktum.euc.de [195.63.193.116]) by mail.euc.de (8.9.3/8.9.3/SuSE Linux 8.9.3-0.1) with ESMTP id PAA19403 for ; Sat, 31 Mar 2001 15:03:49 +0200 Message-ID: <3AC5D5B6.DFDD7BDD@euc.de> Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2001 15:03:46 +0200 From: Mac Conin Organization: EUC Online Service GmbH X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "netatalk-admins@umich.edu" Subject: [Fwd: setdirowner: chown 16777216/-1] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sorry for forwarding my own posting. I tried a litte bit kinda 'non-progamming-hacking' I set the variables in /usr/include/sys/fcntl.h variable O_RDW back to 02 Then I've installed the 1.5pre5 again, changed all the variables in ad_double.c from O_RDW to 0666 and recomplied that. Result is at a first glimpse a working directory with no errors in /var/log/messages. I did not tested the case of multiple users sending under different logins to that shared directory. As I mentioned before I'm no real programmer ;) so maybe that hack will cause some other disturbances. Besides that I still have problems copying greater amounts of files (e.g. a font directory with up to 2.000 small files) to the server. The clients slows after ~300-800 files down to nothing. The server (from the console) seems to be ok and top tells that all processes are idle. killing afpd and restarting sets the cleint back to normal function. There are no warnings or messages of malfunction in the logs. I'm thinking of the servers netcards. Any Idea? --schnipp Mac Conin wrote: > > running now the netatalk-1.5pre5 and have as I recognized > as any others the problem of not copying to the server. > /var/log/messages tells an error :setdirowner: chown 16777216/-1 > to set the proper rights in the /.Appledouble files. > > changing the /usr/include/sys/fcntl.h variable O_RDW from 2 to 0666 as > mentiond does not help. > > by the way : is there a stable system running netatalk with a bundle > of mac-users hooked up not knowing what linux is? *bg* --schnipp-- ----------------------------------------------------------- Mac Conin EUC Online Service GmbH mconin@euc.de D 50676 Koeln http://www.euc.de tel : +49-221-923 27 33 fax : +49-221-239 651 ----------------------------------------------------------- From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Sat Mar 31 12:46:03 2001 Return-Path: Received: from kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.25]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id MAA25286 for ; Sat, 31 Mar 2001 12:46:03 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id MAA27533 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Sat, 31 Mar 2001 12:46:03 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id MAA27521 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Sat, 31 Mar 2001 12:46:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from frank.gwc.org.uk (frank.gwc.org.uk [212.240.16.7]) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id MAA27490 for ; Sat, 31 Mar 2001 12:46:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (ali@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by frank.gwc.org.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA13754; Sat, 31 Mar 2001 18:45:58 +0100 Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2001 18:45:58 +0100 (BST) From: Alistair Riddell To: Mac Conin cc: "netatalk-admins@umich.edu" Subject: Re: setdirowner: chown 16777216/-1 In-Reply-To: <3AC4D771.501DB4F@euc.de> Message-ID: X-foo: bar MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Fri, 30 Mar 2001, Mac Conin wrote: > by the way : is there a stable system running netatalk with a bundle > of mac-users hooked up not knowing what linux is? *bg* Sure, I have hundreds of users running off two netatalk servers. I doubt if any of them know what Linux is... running netatalk 1.5pre5 with libatalk/adouble/ad_open.c patched, on a Slackware linux box, with kernel 2.4.3. hardware is dual PIII 833, 1GB ram, 10kRPM scsi disks and Acenic gigabit ethernet card. I also use netatalk to netboot Apple Macs. Whereas Apple recommend (I think) 20 machines per server using their hardware and MacOS X servre, I have about 150 machines on a single server with no problems at all. Let me know if you want to know how to do this... -- Alistair Riddell - BOFH IT Support Department, George Watson's College, Edinburgh Tel: +44 131 447 7931 Ext 176 Fax: +44 131 452 8594 Microsoft - because god hates us From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Sat Mar 31 15:08:50 2001 Return-Path: Received: from kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.25]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id PAA27829 for ; Sat, 31 Mar 2001 15:08:50 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id PAA03001 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Sat, 31 Mar 2001 15:08:49 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id PAA02997 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Sat, 31 Mar 2001 15:08:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from apollo.cc.macalester.edu (apollo.cc.macalester.edu [141.140.1.2]) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id PAA02981 for ; Sat, 31 Mar 2001 15:08:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from [192.168.1.2] ([141.140.105.33]) by macalester.edu (PMDF V5.2-32 #38670) with ESMTP id <01K1UL4CEYQI000TYP@macalester.edu> for netatalk-admins@umich.edu; Sat, 31 Mar 2001 14:08:37 CDT Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2001 14:08:38 -0600 From: Alon Subject: 31 Character File Name Length Limit To: netatalk-admins@umich.edu Message-id: <2500207841.986047718@[192.168.1.2]> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mulberry/2.0.8 (Win32) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-disposition: inline Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit I just started using NetaTalk on my linux box to serve files to Macintosh clients. Everything went well, until I noticed that all files with more than 31 characters in their name length were not showing up at all on the mac clients. I know macs have a name length limit, but I'd like for the clients to at least see the longer-named files, even if truncated. Is there any way to get NetaTalk to share these long-named files? Having the files just seen by mac clients is acceptable - I don't really care if everything after 31 chars is gone - I just want them seen. Any solution? Thanks, aLoN From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Sat Mar 31 19:46:04 2001 Return-Path: Received: from funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.27]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id TAA03188 for ; Sat, 31 Mar 2001 19:46:04 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id TAA23019 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Sat, 31 Mar 2001 19:45:57 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id TAA23008 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Sat, 31 Mar 2001 19:45:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail1.lig.bellsouth.net (mail1.lig.bellsouth.net [207.203.120.40]) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id TAA22979 for ; Sat, 31 Mar 2001 19:45:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from [216.78.241.141] (host-216-78-241-141.sua.bellsouth.net [216.78.241.141]) by mail1.lig.bellsouth.net (3.3.5alt/0.75.2) with ESMTP id TAA05171 for ; Sat, 31 Mar 2001 19:50:52 -0500 (EST) User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2001 19:45:55 -0500 Subject: subscribe From: Randall Perry To: Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit -- Randy Perry sysTame Mac Consulting/Sales phn 561.589.6449 mobile email help@systame.com From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Sun Apr 1 11:11:00 2001 Return-Path: Received: from kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.25]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id LAA17431 for ; Sun, 1 Apr 2001 11:10:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id LAA19332 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Sun, 1 Apr 2001 11:10:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id LAA19314 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Sun, 1 Apr 2001 11:10:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.euc.de (mail.euc.de [195.63.193.18]) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id LAA19261 for ; Sun, 1 Apr 2001 11:10:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from euc.de (euc-punktum.euc.de [195.63.193.116]) by mail.euc.de (8.9.3/8.9.3/SuSE Linux 8.9.3-0.1) with ESMTP id RAA24785; Sun, 1 Apr 2001 17:06:43 +0200 Message-ID: <3AC74404.4FA45944@euc.de> Date: Sun, 01 Apr 2001 17:06:39 +0200 From: Mac Conin Organization: EUC Online Service GmbH X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Alistair Riddell CC: "netatalk-admins@umich.edu" Subject: Re: setdirowner: chown 16777216/-1 References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu id LAA17431 ok, you mean: +++ ./libatalk/adouble/ad_open.c Tue Mar 13 08:13:38 2001 line 617 ff. if (adflags & ADFLAGS_HF) { if (ad_hfileno(ad) == -1) { ad_p = ad_path( path, adflags ); - admode = ad_mode( ad_p, O_RDWR ); + admode = ad_mode( ad_p, 0666 ); ^^^^ is only needed to be changed? Alistair Riddell wrote: > > On Fri, 30 Mar 2001, Mac Conin wrote: > > > by the way : is there a stable system running netatalk with a bundle > > of mac-users hooked up not knowing what linux is? *bg* > > Sure, I have hundreds of users running off two netatalk servers. I doubt > if any of them know what Linux is... > > running netatalk 1.5pre5 with libatalk/adouble/ad_open.c patched, on a > Slackware linux box, with kernel 2.4.3. hardware is dual PIII 833, 1GB > ram, 10kRPM scsi disks and Acenic gigabit ethernet card. > > I also use netatalk to netboot Apple Macs. Whereas Apple recommend (I > think) 20 machines per server using their hardware and MacOS X servre, I > have about 150 machines on a single server with no problems at all. Let me > know if you want to know how to do this... > > -- > Alistair Riddell - BOFH > IT Support Department, George Watson's College, Edinburgh > Tel: +44 131 447 7931 Ext 176 Fax: +44 131 452 8594 > Microsoft - because god hates us -- --schnipp-- mit freundlichen grüssen ----------------------------------------------------------- Mac Conin EUC Online Service GmbH Geschäftsführer Taubengasse 9 mconin@euc.de D 50676 Koeln http://www.euc.de HRB Köln 32038 tel : +49-221-923 27 33 fax : +49-221-239 651 ----------------------------------------------------------- EUC sponsort Clean up Cologne - eine Iniative der IHK Köln, der Abfallwirtschaftsbetriebe Köln (AWB) und dem Grünflächenamt der Stadt Köln. http://www.clean-up-cologne.de From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Sun Apr 1 11:45:43 2001 Return-Path: Received: from kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.25]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id LAA17998 for ; Sun, 1 Apr 2001 11:45:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id LAA25209 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Sun, 1 Apr 2001 11:45:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id LAA25186 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Sun, 1 Apr 2001 11:45:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from frank.gwc.org.uk (frank.gwc.org.uk [212.240.16.7]) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id LAA25138 for ; Sun, 1 Apr 2001 11:45:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (ali@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by frank.gwc.org.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA06957; Sun, 1 Apr 2001 16:45:40 +0100 Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2001 16:45:39 +0100 (BST) From: Alistair Riddell To: Mac Conin cc: "netatalk-admins@umich.edu" Subject: Re: setdirowner: chown 16777216/-1 In-Reply-To: <3AC74404.4FA45944@euc.de> Message-ID: X-foo: bar MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII that would probably do, but changing "O_RDWR" to "mode" would probably be better. On Sun, 1 Apr 2001, Mac Conin wrote: > ok, you mean: > > +++ ./libatalk/adouble/ad_open.c Tue Mar 13 08:13:38 2001 > line 617 ff. > if (adflags & ADFLAGS_HF) { > if (ad_hfileno(ad) == -1) { > ad_p = ad_path( path, adflags ); > - admode = ad_mode( ad_p, O_RDWR ); > + admode = ad_mode( ad_p, 0666 ); > ^^^^ > > > is only needed to be changed? > > > > Alistair Riddell wrote: > > > > On Fri, 30 Mar 2001, Mac Conin wrote: > > > > > by the way : is there a stable system running netatalk with a bundle > > > of mac-users hooked up not knowing what linux is? *bg* > > > > Sure, I have hundreds of users running off two netatalk servers. I doubt > > if any of them know what Linux is... > > > > running netatalk 1.5pre5 with libatalk/adouble/ad_open.c patched, on a > > Slackware linux box, with kernel 2.4.3. hardware is dual PIII 833, 1GB > > ram, 10kRPM scsi disks and Acenic gigabit ethernet card. > > > > I also use netatalk to netboot Apple Macs. Whereas Apple recommend (I > > think) 20 machines per server using their hardware and MacOS X servre, I > > have about 150 machines on a single server with no problems at all. Let me > > know if you want to know how to do this... > > > > -- > > Alistair Riddell - BOFH > > IT Support Department, George Watson's College, Edinburgh > > Tel: +44 131 447 7931 Ext 176 Fax: +44 131 452 8594 > > Microsoft - because god hates us > > -- Alistair Riddell - BOFH IT Support Department, George Watson's College, Edinburgh Tel: +44 131 447 7931 Ext 176 Fax: +44 131 452 8594 Microsoft - because god hates us From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Sun Apr 1 14:37:12 2001 Return-Path: Received: from easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.26]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id OAA20921 for ; Sun, 1 Apr 2001 14:37:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id OAA28486 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Sun, 1 Apr 2001 14:37:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id OAA28478 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Sun, 1 Apr 2001 14:37:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.euc.de (mail.euc.de [195.63.193.18]) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id OAA28445 for ; Sun, 1 Apr 2001 14:37:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from euc.de (euc-punktum.euc.de [195.63.193.116]) by mail.euc.de (8.9.3/8.9.3/SuSE Linux 8.9.3-0.1) with ESMTP id UAA25714; Sun, 1 Apr 2001 20:32:58 +0200 Message-ID: <3AC7745B.24B79FE0@euc.de> Date: Sun, 01 Apr 2001 20:32:59 +0200 From: Mac Conin Organization: EUC Online Service GmbH X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Alistair Riddell CC: "netatalk-admins@umich.edu" Subject: Re: setdirowner: chown 16777216/-1 References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu id OAA20921 hmm, i did it and now unser nobody is capable copying files to the server, but only new files. Replacing files generates an error (file is already in use). No errors are reported in the logs. Any idea? Alistair Riddell wrote: > > that would probably do, but changing "O_RDWR" to "mode" would probably be > better. > > On Sun, 1 Apr 2001, Mac Conin wrote: > > > ok, you mean: > > > > +++ ./libatalk/adouble/ad_open.c Tue Mar 13 08:13:38 2001 > > line 617 ff. > > if (adflags & ADFLAGS_HF) { > > if (ad_hfileno(ad) == -1) { > > ad_p = ad_path( path, adflags ); > > - admode = ad_mode( ad_p, O_RDWR ); > > + admode = ad_mode( ad_p, 0666 ); > > ^^^^ > > > > > > is only needed to be changed? > > > > > > > > Alistair Riddell wrote: > > > > > > On Fri, 30 Mar 2001, Mac Conin wrote: > > > > > > > by the way : is there a stable system running netatalk with a bundle > > > > of mac-users hooked up not knowing what linux is? *bg* > > > > > > Sure, I have hundreds of users running off two netatalk servers. I doubt > > > if any of them know what Linux is... > > > > > > running netatalk 1.5pre5 with libatalk/adouble/ad_open.c patched, on a > > > Slackware linux box, with kernel 2.4.3. hardware is dual PIII 833, 1GB > > > ram, 10kRPM scsi disks and Acenic gigabit ethernet card. > > > > > > I also use netatalk to netboot Apple Macs. Whereas Apple recommend (I > > > think) 20 machines per server using their hardware and MacOS X servre, I > > > have about 150 machines on a single server with no problems at all. Let me > > > know if you want to know how to do this... > > > > > > -- > > > Alistair Riddell - BOFH > > > IT Support Department, George Watson's College, Edinburgh > > > Tel: +44 131 447 7931 Ext 176 Fax: +44 131 452 8594 > > > Microsoft - because god hates us > > > > > > -- > Alistair Riddell - BOFH > IT Support Department, George Watson's College, Edinburgh > Tel: +44 131 447 7931 Ext 176 Fax: +44 131 452 8594 > Microsoft - because god hates us -- --schnipp-- mit freundlichen grüssen ----------------------------------------------------------- Mac Conin EUC Online Service GmbH Geschäftsführer Taubengasse 9 mconin@euc.de D 50676 Koeln http://www.euc.de HRB Köln 32038 tel : +49-221-923 27 33 fax : +49-221-239 651 ----------------------------------------------------------- EUC sponsort Clean up Cologne - eine Iniative der IHK Köln, der Abfallwirtschaftsbetriebe Köln (AWB) und dem Grünflächenamt der Stadt Köln. http://www.clean-up-cologne.de From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Sun Apr 1 21:26:53 2001 Return-Path: Received: from funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.27]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id VAA27724 for ; Sun, 1 Apr 2001 21:26:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id VAA06518 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Sun, 1 Apr 2001 21:26:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id VAA06497 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Sun, 1 Apr 2001 21:26:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from apollo.cc.macalester.edu (apollo.cc.macalester.edu [141.140.1.2]) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id VAA06447 for ; Sun, 1 Apr 2001 21:26:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [192.168.1.2] ([141.140.105.41]) by macalester.edu (PMDF V5.2-32 #38670) with ESMTP id <01K1WAJ08K3O000OPQ@macalester.edu> for netatalk-admins@umich.edu; Sun, 1 Apr 2001 19:26:40 CDT Date: Sun, 01 Apr 2001 20:26:53 -0500 From: Alon Subject: Re: 31 Character File Name Length Limit To: netatalk-admins@umich.edu Message-id: <2609302403.986156813@[192.168.1.2]> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mulberry/2.0.8 (Win32) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-disposition: inline Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit This is very true. Which is why most OS's don't have length limits anymore (mostly). Unfortunately I still have to deal with an OS that does. I'm hoping the switch to OS X will eventually solve my problem, but for now I'd settle for a comprimise. A simple solution to the truncation problem is to do what Microsoft does: Program Files = progra~1 Programs I Use = progra~2 Programs = progra~3.......etc. It isn't very pretty I know, but it does work. The names might not be particularly obvious, but at least they'd be seen on the Mac side. aLoN > What happens if the file is only unique after 31 chararcters? You end > up with 2 file names the same... > > Name mangling is actually a difficult problem to solve... > > >> I just started using NetaTalk on my linux box to serve files to Macintosh >> clients. Everything went well, until I noticed that all files with more >> than 31 characters in their name length were not showing up at all on the >> mac clients. I know macs have a name length limit, but I'd like for the >> clients to at least see the longer-named files, even if truncated. > From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Sun Apr 1 23:12:11 2001 Return-Path: Received: from easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.26]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id XAA29613 for ; Sun, 1 Apr 2001 23:12:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id XAA11953 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Sun, 1 Apr 2001 23:12:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id XAA11950 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Sun, 1 Apr 2001 23:12:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from plato.arts.usyd.edu.au (plato.arts.usyd.edu.au [129.78.16.1]) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id XAA11900 for ; Sun, 1 Apr 2001 23:12:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from arts.usyd.edu.au (IDENT:matthew@whitestar.arts.usyd.edu.au [129.78.16.20]) by plato.arts.usyd.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA22131; Mon, 2 Apr 2001 13:11:59 +1000 (EST) Sender: matthew@plato.arts.usyd.edu.au Message-ID: <3AC7FE60.FB1EBFAE@arts.usyd.edu.au> Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2001 14:21:52 +1000 From: Matthew Geier Organization: Arts IT Unit, Sydney University X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.2-XFS i686) X-Accept-Language: en, pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Alon CC: netatalk-admins@umich.edu Subject: Re: 31 Character File Name Length Limit References: <2609302403.986156813@[192.168.1.2]> Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/x-pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha1; boundary="------------msD42BA3A43DB7B3736FD56A21" This is a cryptographically signed message in MIME format. --------------msD42BA3A43DB7B3736FD56A21 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Alon wrote: > > This is very true. Which is why most OS's don't have length limits anymore > (mostly). Unfortunately I still have to deal with an OS that does. I'm > hoping the switch to OS X will eventually solve my problem, but for now I'd > settle for a comprimise. A simple solution to the truncation problem is to > do what Microsoft does: > > Program Files = progra~1 > Programs I Use = progra~2 > Programs = progra~3.......etc. > > It isn't very pretty I know, but it does work. The names might not be > particularly obvious, but at least they'd be seen on the Mac side. The Microsoft one is simpler that it looks - it does that name mangle at file creation time. Windows file systems store 2 names. The 8.3 and the 'long' one. It doesn't do it on the fly like Samba does, and NetAtalk needs to do. You have to attempt to get the same 'mangled' name each time. M$ does it once and saves in in the Filesystem. I understood MacOS is suppose to handle it by it self - HFS+ supports longer names, but Finder doesn't. I seem to recall some time back in the dim dark past, NetAtalk sent longer names to Macs, but some Finder versions crashed in response instead of truncating the name. I guess you could find the bit of code that hides the long names, disable it and see how your mac works. Maybee OS9 fixed this problem. Classic under OSX beta seems to handle it gracefully. -- Matthew Geier matthew@arts.usyd.edu.au Arts IT Unit +61 2 9351 4713 Sydney University --------------msD42BA3A43DB7B3736FD56A21 Content-Type: application/x-pkcs7-signature; name="smime.p7s" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="smime.p7s" Content-Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature MIIH4AYJKoZIhvcNAQcCoIIH0TCCB80CAQExCzAJBgUrDgMCGgUAMAsGCSqGSIb3DQEHAaCC BckwggKtMIICFqADAgECAgMC8UswDQYJKoZIhvcNAQEEBQAwgZQxCzAJBgNVBAYTAlpBMRUw EwYDVQQIEwxXZXN0ZXJuIENhcGUxFDASBgNVBAcTC0R1cmJhbnZpbGxlMQ8wDQYDVQQKEwZU aGF3dGUxHTAbBgNVBAsTFENlcnRpZmljYXRlIFNlcnZpY2VzMSgwJgYDVQQDEx9QZXJzb25h bCBGcmVlbWFpbCBSU0EgMTk5OS45LjE2MB4XDTAwMDcyMTAyNDAzNFoXDTAxMDcyMTAyNDAz NFowSjEfMB0GA1UEAxMWVGhhd3RlIEZyZWVtYWlsIE1lbWJlcjEnMCUGCSqGSIb3DQEJARYY bWF0dGhld0BhcnRzLnVzeWQuZWR1LmF1MIGfMA0GCSqGSIb3DQEBAQUAA4GNADCBiQKBgQDR gAKbBhCplgqyhkR0Ykn4XOW0Py1G40orbP+B2KkACTMx4GxhHNg2h3nPiNC/P/9BZETw6NA+ dp/mxtN7XHmvRounnCL+9pjG3yWpw/ONNEpObjRSfujGe/jJvUF2vrAfecI/J5DKQ0/5gZMv 5fqfl4spYSPl+9vc2hKG7uvjgQIDAQABo1YwVDAjBgNVHREEHDAagRhtYXR0aGV3QGFydHMu dXN5ZC5lZHUuYXUwDAYDVR0TAQH/BAIwADAfBgNVHSMEGDAWgBSIq/Fgg2ZV9ORYx0YdwGG9 I9fDjDANBgkqhkiG9w0BAQQFAAOBgQBjjvY9P9hSktFnCJrkQSTKjh9ZBG9a58a0Hi+GvmyD t9e29sRgxHN+Nwtsu2yUs8+xv1BemYzCnri+y91uJsfRTrm4+1oc/TV+lDGWqBud68wf4x29 /xaj1oQ2vWMy1Y64KZSWyxjt+vcU5/nyNF3DGz9XtXlxTI8dntzEWkyq/DCCAxQwggJ9oAMC AQICAQswDQYJKoZIhvcNAQEEBQAwgdExCzAJBgNVBAYTAlpBMRUwEwYDVQQIEwxXZXN0ZXJu IENhcGUxEjAQBgNVBAcTCUNhcGUgVG93bjEaMBgGA1UEChMRVGhhd3RlIENvbnN1bHRpbmcx KDAmBgNVBAsTH0NlcnRpZmljYXRpb24gU2VydmljZXMgRGl2aXNpb24xJDAiBgNVBAMTG1Ro YXd0ZSBQZXJzb25hbCBGcmVlbWFpbCBDQTErMCkGCSqGSIb3DQEJARYccGVyc29uYWwtZnJl ZW1haWxAdGhhd3RlLmNvbTAeFw05OTA5MTYxNDAxNDBaFw0wMTA5MTUxNDAxNDBaMIGUMQsw CQYDVQQGEwJaQTEVMBMGA1UECBMMV2VzdGVybiBDYXBlMRQwEgYDVQQHEwtEdXJiYW52aWxs ZTEPMA0GA1UEChMGVGhhd3RlMR0wGwYDVQQLExRDZXJ0aWZpY2F0ZSBTZXJ2aWNlczEoMCYG A1UEAxMfUGVyc29uYWwgRnJlZW1haWwgUlNBIDE5OTkuOS4xNjCBnzANBgkqhkiG9w0BAQEF AAOBjQAwgYkCgYEAs2lal9TQFgt6tcVd6SGcI3LNEkxL937Px/vKciT0QlKsV5Xje2F6F4Tn /XI5OJS06u1lp5IGXr3gZfYZu5R5dkw+uWhwdYQc9BF0ALwFLE8JAxcxzPRB1HLGpl3iiESw iy7ETfHw1oU+bPOVlHiRfkDpnNGNFVeOwnPlMN5G9U8CAwEAAaM3MDUwEgYDVR0TAQH/BAgw BgEB/wIBADAfBgNVHSMEGDAWgBRyScJzNMZV9At2coF+d/SH58ayDjANBgkqhkiG9w0BAQQF AAOBgQBrxlnpMfrptuyxA9jfcnL+kWBI6sZV3XvwZ47GYXDnbcKlN9idtxcoVgWL3Vx1b8aR kMZsZnET0BB8a5FvhuAhNi3B1+qyCa3PLW3Gg1Kb+7v+nIed/LfpdJLkXJeu/H6syg1vcnpn LGtz9Yb5nfUAbvQdB86dnoJjKe+TCX5V3jGCAd8wggHbAgEBMIGcMIGUMQswCQYDVQQGEwJa QTEVMBMGA1UECBMMV2VzdGVybiBDYXBlMRQwEgYDVQQHEwtEdXJiYW52aWxsZTEPMA0GA1UE ChMGVGhhd3RlMR0wGwYDVQQLExRDZXJ0aWZpY2F0ZSBTZXJ2aWNlczEoMCYGA1UEAxMfUGVy c29uYWwgRnJlZW1haWwgUlNBIDE5OTkuOS4xNgIDAvFLMAkGBSsOAwIaBQCggZkwGAYJKoZI hvcNAQkDMQsGCSqGSIb3DQEHATAcBgkqhkiG9w0BCQUxDxcNMDEwNDAyMDQyMTUzWjAjBgkq hkiG9w0BCQQxFgQUveQWoSMNeCvowtUGM3Y6YBbWfHkwOgYJKoZIhvcNAQkPMS0wKzAKBggq hkiG9w0DBzAOBggqhkiG9w0DAgICAIAwDQYIKoZIhvcNAwICAUAwDQYJKoZIhvcNAQEBBQAE gYAUaI/xtQ17kcbUBYEyL/mnshQTyNsDmqiwbUeMrrMLur3qY3tUq/7WebdcYbfwfwRfFYsd 99ArB2z1cvOP+Sc7xd8I4sg6OYD+hXBlQw1/u82exBLsrrFXnSVduIDsqZpLX1ux4ENQ+/XL DZaNASs7dHwkH6imuJQB83EF5SKj2g== --------------msD42BA3A43DB7B3736FD56A21-- From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Mon Apr 2 04:21:18 2001 Return-Path: Received: from easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.26]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id EAA05404 for ; Mon, 2 Apr 2001 04:21:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id EAA19275 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Mon, 2 Apr 2001 04:21:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id EAA19259 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Mon, 2 Apr 2001 04:21:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from client3.hv-ywh.com (unassigned.alabanza.com [209.239.35.134] (may be forged)) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id EAA19228 for ; Mon, 2 Apr 2001 04:21:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from nat1 (208-59-113-219.c3-0.129-ubr2.lnh-129.md.cable.rcn.com [208.59.113.219]) by client3.hv-ywh.com (8.10.2/8.10.2) with SMTP id f328LG428629 for ; Mon, 2 Apr 2001 04:21:16 -0400 Message-ID: <010c01c0bb4d$dbe50870$0300a8c0@nat1.rcn.com> From: "Nathaniel Pendleton" To: Subject: Newbie Install Help Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2001 04:21:03 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 I am trying to install netatalk on Linux on VA linux 6.2.3 distro and the VA linux powertools rpm for netatalk. http://www.valinux.com/software/vaload/archive/6.2.3/ http://ftp.valinux.com/pub/software/VALinux/released/6.2.3/extras/Powertools /i386/netatalk-1.4b2+asun2.1.3-7.i386.rpm I read this page and was stumped and as VA Linux who RTFM'd me back here. http://www.anders.com/projects/netatalk/ 0) Honestly is netatalk reliable for file serving Mac files for a business? 1.4b2+asun2.1.3-7.i386.rpm? 1.5pre5? netatalk webmin module 0.9? 1) What file system do I use on the netatalk server? ext2 or what? 2) How do I get netatalk started? using VA linux 6.2.3 (redhat 6.2 derivative) dmesg has no "AppleTalk" so I insmod appletalk.o /etc/services has all the correct stuff kpackage installed the valinux 1.4b2 package which has: /usr/doc/netatalk-1.4b2+asun2.1.3/ /etc/atalk/ webmin>system>bootupshutdown lists "atalk" being started, and started at boot made macosdata folder in a folder that samba also uses. chmod smbuser, chgrp smbusers, my default samba file controls. I added to Apple Volumes.default /home/data/macosdata "VACell400 MacOS" restarted atalk in webmin. no luck, now what? -Nathaniel From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Mon Apr 2 10:59:20 2001 Return-Path: Received: from easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.26]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id KAA12556 for ; Mon, 2 Apr 2001 10:59:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id KAA02185 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Mon, 2 Apr 2001 10:59:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id KAA02180 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Mon, 2 Apr 2001 10:59:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay.mail.pipex.net (relay.mail.pipex.net [158.43.128.38]) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with SMTP id KAA02166 for ; Mon, 2 Apr 2001 10:59:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 29473 invoked from network); 2 Apr 2001 14:59:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO netpilotbr.broadley.hopkins.co.uk) (62.189.170.1) by relay.mail.pipex.net with SMTP; 2 Apr 2001 14:59:16 -0000 Received: from 194.159.148.247 (unknown [194.159.148.247]) by netpilotbr.broadley.hopkins.co.uk (Postfix) with ESMTP id D4E7F1A004 for ; Mon, 2 Apr 2001 15:54:58 +0100 (BST) Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2001 15:57:56 +0100 From: Rory Campbell-Lange Subject: Can't start netatalk on Debian To: netatalk-admins@umich.edu X-Priority: 3 Message-ID: <20010402155807-r01010600-542d8867@194.159.148.247> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; Charset=US-ASCII X-Mailer: Mailsmith 1.1.6 (Bluto) Sender: campbell-lange@mail.campbell-lange.net Hi I'm trying to get netatalk running on a VALinux box running Debian. When I run /etc/init.d/netatalk start I get the following errors: socket: Invalid argument atalkd: can't get interfaces, exiting atalkd afpd papd I seem to remember using a gui tool to write the line in atalkd.conf that provided the following on a LinuxPPC box I am using elsewhere: eth0 -phase 2 -net 6 -addr 6.21 -zone "MHP Main Office" However the netatalk docs suggest that this line will be created automatically: "If there is no configuration file, atalkd will attempt to configure all available interfaces and will create a configuration file". However I DO have a config file - it just doesn't have any uncommented lines in it. Is this wrong? A simple "eth0" in atalkd.conf doesn't work. I guess these problems may have something to do with my routing table. I don't have a route for localhost, and I'm not sure if the first entry in the table is sensible. route: Destination GW Mask 194.159.148.140 194.159.148.1 255.255.255.255 194.159.148.0 0.0.0.0 255.255.255.0 0.0.0.0 194.159.148.1 0.0.0.0 I'd be grateful for help. Rory From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Mon Apr 2 11:11:42 2001 Return-Path: Received: from kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.25]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id LAA12845 for ; Mon, 2 Apr 2001 11:11:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id LAA24850 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Mon, 2 Apr 2001 11:11:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id LAA24825 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Mon, 2 Apr 2001 11:11:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.euc.de (mail.euc.de [195.63.193.18]) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id LAA24771 for ; Mon, 2 Apr 2001 11:11:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from euc.de (euc-punktum.euc.de [195.63.193.116]) by mail.euc.de (8.9.3/8.9.3/SuSE Linux 8.9.3-0.1) with ESMTP id RAA02739; Mon, 2 Apr 2001 17:07:21 +0200 Message-ID: <3AC895AB.76D4515D@euc.de> Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2001 17:07:23 +0200 From: Mac Conin Organization: EUC Online Service GmbH X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Rory Campbell-Lange CC: netatalk-admins@umich.edu Subject: Re: Can't start netatalk on Debian References: <20010402155807-r01010600-542d8867@194.159.148.247> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu id LAA12845 Try writing -seed into your atalkd.conf you can start atalkd and afpd manually give atalkd some time to lookup the appletalk net. this can take up to 2 minutes. if your connections are only via tcp forget about atalkd just call afpd from the command line Rory Campbell-Lange wrote: > > Hi > > I'm trying to get netatalk running on a VALinux box running Debian. > > When I run /etc/init.d/netatalk start I get the following errors: > > socket: Invalid argument > atalkd: can't get interfaces, exiting > atalkd afpd papd > > I seem to remember using a gui tool to write the line in atalkd.conf that > provided the following on a LinuxPPC box I am using elsewhere: > > eth0 -phase 2 -net 6 -addr 6.21 -zone "MHP Main Office" > > However the netatalk docs suggest that this line will be created > automatically: "If there is no configuration file, atalkd will attempt to > configure all available interfaces and will create a configuration file". > However I DO have a config file - it just doesn't have any uncommented > lines in it. Is this wrong? > > A simple "eth0" in atalkd.conf doesn't work. > > I guess these problems may have something to do with my routing table. I > don't have a route for localhost, and I'm not sure if the first entry in > the table is sensible. > > route: > Destination GW Mask > 194.159.148.140 194.159.148.1 255.255.255.255 > 194.159.148.0 0.0.0.0 255.255.255.0 > 0.0.0.0 194.159.148.1 0.0.0.0 > > I'd be grateful for help. > > Rory -- --schnipp-- mit freundlichen grüssen ----------------------------------------------------------- Mac Conin EUC Online Service GmbH Geschäftsführer Taubengasse 9 mconin@euc.de D 50676 Koeln http://www.euc.de HRB Köln 32038 tel : +49-221-923 27 33 fax : +49-221-239 651 ----------------------------------------------------------- EUC sponsort Clean up Cologne - eine Iniative der IHK Köln, der Abfallwirtschaftsbetriebe Köln (AWB) und dem Grünflächenamt der Stadt Köln. http://www.clean-up-cologne.de From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Mon Apr 2 12:19:44 2001 Return-Path: Received: from kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.25]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id MAA16009 for ; Mon, 2 Apr 2001 12:19:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id MAA06309 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Mon, 2 Apr 2001 12:19:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id MAA06294 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Mon, 2 Apr 2001 12:19:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.euc.de (mail.euc.de [195.63.193.18]) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id MAA06210 for ; Mon, 2 Apr 2001 12:19:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from euc.de (euc-punktum.euc.de [195.63.193.116]) by mail.euc.de (8.9.3/8.9.3/SuSE Linux 8.9.3-0.1) with ESMTP id SAA03498 for ; Mon, 2 Apr 2001 18:15:25 +0200 Message-ID: <3AC8A59F.553090BB@euc.de> Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2001 18:15:27 +0200 From: Mac Conin Organization: EUC Online Service GmbH X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "netatalk-admins@umich.edu" Subject: compiling netatalk-1.5pre5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit so.. maybe this helps someone installing netatalk-1.5pre5 on suse under kernel 2.2.16 on an (don't laugh) fujitsu siemens C667 as test-server. I tried this: changing in ad_double.c line 616 ff O_RDW to mode as suggested from Alistair Riddel then called ./configure --with-pam --with-flock-locks --enable-suse --enable-pgp-uam ends up in an nearly working system. ;) user nobody is capable of reading/writing/replacing files. other users on the system can login but being killed immediately after that. the /var/log/messages tells only: Apr 2 17:13:34 linux PAM-unix2[12648]: session started for user mconin, service netatalk Apr 2 17:13:34 linux afpd[12648]: login mconin (uid 500, gid 100) Apr 2 17:13:34 linux afpd[12648]: using codepage directory: /etc/atalk/nls/maccode.iso8859-1 Apr 2 17:13:34 linux afpd[12645]: server_child[1] 12648 killed By the way - afpd asks while starting for Apr 2 17:12:03 linux afpd[12641]: uam : Loading (/etc/atalk/uams/uams_dhx.so) Apr 2 17:12:03 linux afpd[12641]: uam: uam not found (status=-1) Is this authentification part of the package? I will keep on checking.... -- --schnipp-- best regards ----------------------------------------------------------- Mac Conin EUC Online Service GmbH mconin@euc.de D 50676 Koeln http://www.euc.de From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Mon Apr 2 19:27:43 2001 Return-Path: Received: from easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.26]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id TAA29640 for ; Mon, 2 Apr 2001 19:27:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id TAA07798 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Mon, 2 Apr 2001 19:27:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id TAA07787 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Mon, 2 Apr 2001 19:27:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from apollo.cc.macalester.edu (apollo.cc.macalester.edu [141.140.1.2]) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id TAA07760 for ; Mon, 2 Apr 2001 19:27:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [192.168.1.2] ([141.140.105.41]) by macalester.edu (PMDF V5.2-32 #38670) with ESMTP id <01K1XKNLNODC000089@macalester.edu> for netatalk-admins@umich.edu; Mon, 2 Apr 2001 17:27:30 CDT Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2001 18:27:48 -0500 From: Alon Subject: Re: 31 Character File Name Length Limit In-reply-to: <3AC7FE60.FB1EBFAE@arts.usyd.edu.au> To: netatalk-admins@umich.edu Message-id: <2688557653.986236068@[192.168.1.2]> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mulberry/2.0.8 (Win32) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-disposition: inline Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit This is a very good point. Mac's truncate Joliet cds on their own, so I guess they could probably handle and truncate long-named network shares...if they were being shown by the server in the first place. Does anybody know offhand where in the code the hiding of long file names is? If I can find the time in the next few weeks I'll have a look, but it'd be nice if someone knew where it was already. aLoN > > I understood MacOS is suppose to handle it by it self - HFS+ supports > longer names, but Finder doesn't. I seem to recall some time back in the > dim dark past, NetAtalk sent longer names to Macs, but some Finder > versions crashed in response instead of truncating the name. > > I guess you could find the bit of code that hides the long names, > disable it and see how your mac works. Maybee OS9 fixed this problem. > Classic under OSX beta seems to handle it gracefully. From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Mon Apr 2 21:19:18 2001 Return-Path: Received: from kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.25]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id VAA04934 for ; Mon, 2 Apr 2001 21:19:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id VAA21066 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Mon, 2 Apr 2001 21:19:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id VAA21022 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Mon, 2 Apr 2001 21:19:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rgrjr.dyndns.org (h0050da615e79.ne.mediaone.net [24.218.161.12]) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with SMTP id VAA20956 for ; Mon, 2 Apr 2001 21:19:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 32064 invoked by uid 500); 3 Apr 2001 01:19:13 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <15049.9489.642184.611550@h0050da615e79.ne.mediaone.net> Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2001 21:19:13 -0400 From: Bob Rogers To: Mac Conin , Rory Campbell-Lange CC: netatalk-admins@umich.edu Subject: Re: Can't start netatalk on Debian In-Reply-To: <3AC895AB.76D4515D@euc.de> References: <20010402155807-r01010600-542d8867@194.159.148.247> <3AC895AB.76D4515D@euc.de> X-Mailer: VM 6.89 under Emacs 20.7.1 From: Mac Conin Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2001 17:07:23 +0200 if your connections are only via tcp forget about atalkd I made this same mistake on this list less than a month ago . . . -- Bob Rogers ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: Bob Rogers To: Cliff Crawford , deltor@snafu.de Subject: Re: very [newbie] Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2001 11:31:34 -0500 From: Cliff Crawford Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2001 08:49:34 -0500 Carsten is correct. afpd implements the file server for both appletalk and tcp, while atalkd implements the AppleTalk networking protocols and has nothing to do with file serving itself. So both need to be running to do AppleShare over appletalk. Oops; sorry, guys. -- Bob From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Tue Apr 3 10:11:59 2001 Return-Path: Received: from easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.26]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id KAA21251 for ; Tue, 3 Apr 2001 10:11:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id KAA07303 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Tue, 3 Apr 2001 10:11:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id KAA07274 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Tue, 3 Apr 2001 10:11:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from frank.gwc.org.uk (frank.gwc.org.uk [212.240.16.7]) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id KAB07222 for ; Tue, 3 Apr 2001 10:11:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (ali@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by frank.gwc.org.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA11312; Tue, 3 Apr 2001 15:11:50 +0100 Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2001 15:11:50 +0100 (BST) From: Alistair Riddell To: Alon cc: netatalk-admins@umich.edu Subject: Re: 31 Character File Name Length Limit In-Reply-To: <2688557653.986236068@[192.168.1.2]> Message-ID: X-foo: bar MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Macs don't truncate Joliet filenames; they don't have the capability to read the Joliet extensions so they use the ISO9660 names which are pretty much DOS 8.3 format. On Mon, 2 Apr 2001, Alon wrote: > This is a very good point. Mac's truncate Joliet cds on their own, so I > guess they could probably handle and truncate long-named network > shares...if they were being shown by the server in the first place. Does > anybody know offhand where in the code the hiding of long file names is? > If I can find the time in the next few weeks I'll have a look, but it'd be > nice if someone knew where it was already. -- Alistair Riddell - BOFH IT Support Department, George Watson's College, Edinburgh Tel: +44 131 447 7931 Ext 176 Fax: +44 131 452 8594 Microsoft - because god hates us From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Tue Apr 3 12:39:09 2001 Return-Path: Received: from kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.25]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id MAA26216 for ; Tue, 3 Apr 2001 12:39:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id MAA20671 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Tue, 3 Apr 2001 12:39:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id MAA20631 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Tue, 3 Apr 2001 12:39:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60]) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id MAA20554 for ; Tue, 3 Apr 2001 12:39:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 208-59-113-219.c3-0.129-ubr2.lnh-129.md.cable.rcn.com ([208.59.113.219] helo=nat1) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.16 #5) id 14kTpf-0003zq-00 for netatalk-admins@umich.edu; Tue, 03 Apr 2001 12:39:03 -0400 Message-ID: <01e401c0bc5c$8e949850$0300a8c0@nat1.rcn.com> From: "Nathaniel Pendleton" To: Subject: Re: Newbie Install Help Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2001 12:38:47 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Still no luck. Netatalk is NOT working. I installed webmin module 0.9 beta to try and solve the config issues. I repointed the files to "/etc/atalk" instead of "/usr/local/atalkd/etc" The hand written share was somehow deleted and every effort to create a new share in webmin fails. Edit interface says "Error - file not found". "Start Apple File Sharing" says /usr/sbin/atalkd failed What is going wrong? -Nathaniel -----Original Message----- From: Nathaniel Pendleton To: netatalk-admins@umich.edu Date: Monday, April 02, 2001 4:31 AM Subject: Newbie Install Help >I am trying to install netatalk on Linux on VA linux 6.2.3 distro >and the VA linux powertools rpm for netatalk. >http://www.valinux.com/software/vaload/archive/6.2.3/ >http://ftp.valinux.com/pub/software/VALinux/released/6.2.3/extras/Powertool s >/i386/netatalk-1.4b2+asun2.1.3-7.i386.rpm > >I read this page and was stumped and as VA Linux who RTFM'd me back here. >http://www.anders.com/projects/netatalk/ > >0) Honestly is netatalk reliable for file serving Mac files for a business? >1.4b2+asun2.1.3-7.i386.rpm? >1.5pre5? >netatalk webmin module 0.9? > >1) What file system do I use on the netatalk server? ext2 or what? > >2) How do I get netatalk started? >using VA linux 6.2.3 (redhat 6.2 derivative) >dmesg has no "AppleTalk" so I insmod appletalk.o >/etc/services has all the correct stuff > >kpackage installed the valinux 1.4b2 package which has: >/usr/doc/netatalk-1.4b2+asun2.1.3/ >/etc/atalk/ > >webmin>system>bootupshutdown lists "atalk" being started, and started at >boot > >made macosdata folder in a folder that samba also uses. >chmod smbuser, chgrp smbusers, my default samba file controls. >I added to Apple Volumes.default >/home/data/macosdata "VACell400 MacOS" >restarted atalk in webmin. > >no luck, now what? > >-Nathaniel > > From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Tue Apr 3 15:04:22 2001 Return-Path: Received: from easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.26]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id PAA29830 for ; Tue, 3 Apr 2001 15:04:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id PAA14221 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Tue, 3 Apr 2001 15:04:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id PAA14205 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Tue, 3 Apr 2001 15:04:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from truth.itfreedom.com (truth.itfreedom.com [206.225.63.176]) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with SMTP id PAA13942 for ; Tue, 3 Apr 2001 15:04:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 24424 invoked from network); 3 Apr 2001 19:04:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO h9k1k2) (192.168.0.46) by truth.itfreedom.com with SMTP; 3 Apr 2001 19:04:07 -0000 From: "Bryan Tholen" To: Subject: Netatalk issues Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2001 14:04:05 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Importance: Normal I have been using DAVE from thursby software with one of my clients running a linux 2.2.17 server with the netatalk-asun2.1.4. It is a small network about 30 users; 25 PCs and 5 Mac clients. I have one of the Mac guys running netatalk for testing and he seems to like it however I have a couple of problems that I need to work out. is there anyway to move the resource.frk information stored by DAVE to .AppleDouble format to maintain the resource fork for all of the files on the server if we switch to Netatalk? This client has about 15gigs worth of image files/quark docs that I dont want to have to transfer to a Mac and back to the server if I can avoid it. I need the resource forks because they contain preview information for image files and are needed for fonts I am using. when copying a folder from the server to a Mac client the hidden folder .AppleDouble is copied along with it. If you change/delete or add a file to the folder and copy it back to the server so of the files disappear or are mangled because of the stale .AppleDouble folder that is copied. Maybe there is an option on the client to aviod hidden files? If not is there anyway to turn off transfer of the .AppleDouble folder down to the client? Is there any option for netatalk to truncate filenames longer than the Mac limit (31 i believe) so they may be viewed on a Mac client from the server? BTW, I have upgraded all my clients with the Quark Express 4.11fixit extension and they seem to be working with out any of the "File is locked" errors we had seen before. Can anyone else confirm that this extension fixes the problem? I am still not convinced and have even contemplated moving back to FLOCKS if the problem pops up again. Thanks for your time. From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Tue Apr 3 15:19:35 2001 Return-Path: Received: from kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.25]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id PAA00703 for ; Tue, 3 Apr 2001 15:19:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id PAA01704 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Tue, 3 Apr 2001 15:19:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id PAA01697 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Tue, 3 Apr 2001 15:19:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mathserv.math.ohio-state.edu (mathserv.math.ohio-state.edu [128.146.111.31]) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id PAA01578 for ; Tue, 3 Apr 2001 15:19:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from math.ohio-state.edu (IDENT:postfix@hooloovoo.math.ohio-state.edu [128.146.111.37]) by mathserv.math.ohio-state.edu (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id f33JJQe20824; Tue, 3 Apr 2001 15:19:27 -0400 Received: by math.ohio-state.edu (Postfix, from userid 2405) id EB600B9E2; Tue, 3 Apr 2001 15:19:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by math.ohio-state.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id B3A2DB6F9; Tue, 3 Apr 2001 15:19:25 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2001 15:19:25 -0400 (EDT) From: Chad Cunningham To: Nathaniel Pendleton Cc: Subject: Re: Newbie Install Help In-Reply-To: <01e401c0bc5c$8e949850$0300a8c0@nat1.rcn.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > >0) Honestly is netatalk reliable for file serving Mac files for a business? > >1.4b2+asun2.1.3-7.i386.rpm? > >1.5pre5? > >netatalk webmin module 0.9? Probably? In my experience 1.4b2+asun is very solid. I've had some problems with the 1.5pre series, the clients tend to get "Server unexpectedly quit" messages. Of course, we have some "experimental" setups... The advantage of the 1.5 series is that they do encrypted password transport, which you probably want depending on your network. > >1) What file system do I use on the netatalk server? ext2 or what? The file system, in terms of performance, should be the last thing your worry about. I'd say whatever you have is fine. We run ours off of UFS, EXT2, and ReiserFs and I can't say it really makes much difference. > >2) How do I get netatalk started? > >using VA linux 6.2.3 (redhat 6.2 derivative) > >dmesg has no "AppleTalk" so I insmod appletalk.o > >/etc/services has all the correct stuff Depending on what RPM you installed, you should have an /etc/rc.d/init.d/atalk. To start it, run /etc/rc.d/init.d/atalk start To start at bootup, run chkconfig --level 345 atalk on You may also need an entry in /etc/modules.conf to load the appletalk module, but I *think* the rpm should set that up, depends on where you got the rpm though... > >no luck, now what? What do you mean by no luck? -- Chad Cunningham ccunning@math.ohio-state.edu "Well, once again my friend, we find that science is a two-headed beast. One head is nice, it gives us aspirin and other modern conveniences,...but the other head of science is bad! Oh beware the other head of science, Arthur, it bites!" From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Tue Apr 3 15:23:18 2001 Return-Path: Received: from kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.25]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id PAA00912 for ; Tue, 3 Apr 2001 15:23:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id PAA07427 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Tue, 3 Apr 2001 15:23:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id PAA07359 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Tue, 3 Apr 2001 15:23:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mathserv.math.ohio-state.edu (mathserv.math.ohio-state.edu [128.146.111.31]) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id PAA07275 for ; Tue, 3 Apr 2001 15:23:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from math.ohio-state.edu (IDENT:postfix@hooloovoo.math.ohio-state.edu [128.146.111.37]) by mathserv.math.ohio-state.edu (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id f33JNBe23529; Tue, 3 Apr 2001 15:23:11 -0400 Received: by math.ohio-state.edu (Postfix, from userid 2405) id 36D28B9E2; Tue, 3 Apr 2001 15:23:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by math.ohio-state.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 32730B9E1; Tue, 3 Apr 2001 15:23:11 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2001 15:23:11 -0400 (EDT) From: Chad Cunningham To: Lorenzo Perone Cc: Subject: Re: Mac OS X and netatalk... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII So, what was the version people said worked fine (arg, no archives?) I haven't had much luck either, the 1.5 series don't cut it and the 1.4b2+asun2.1.3 redhat powertools rpm actually managed to crash the OSX finder repeatedly... I was briefly excited to learn that the finder recognizes NFS mounts in the final release, which is at least a temporary fix, but I have a lot of older files that need to store resource data. On Sat, 31 Mar 2001, Lorenzo Perone wrote: > Hi fellow neta-admins, > > I've been 'going down deep' into the OSX/netatalk adventure ;-) > > I've tried the -DFLOCKS (adding it to the DEFS line - correct?) thing and pre-asun2.1.4-38b_test. > No success, I get -43 and -37 errors _everywhere_ (uploading and downloading) - looks like an .AppleDouble problem? (thought they were related to resources, those errors). > But the same dirs used to work perfectly with pre3m (I'll check thisone out, anyway!). > > With pre-asun2.1.4-37b it got better: > Mounts OK, downloads and gives the -43 error only on some files. > But then, after throwing one copied folder to the trash, when trying to empty it, I get a message with 'not enough privileges to perform operation'. > Weird enough: I got into the terminal, su-rooted (with an enabled root account, via NetInfoManager). > This is what I got when I tried to rm the stuff in /Users/lopez/.Trash: > > override rwx------ lopez/staff for 6100's/Preferences/UMAX/VistaScan/Viewer Files/BRI4.JPG? y > rm: 6100's/Preferences/UMAX/VistaScan/Viewer Files/BRI4.JPG: Operation not permitted > > I tried to chmod 660 all the stuff in there: > > root# chmod -R 660 * > chmod: 6100's//Preferences/UMAX/VistaScan/Viewer Files/Y9.JPG: Operation not permitted > sort of weird! How can I get rid of that stuff now?? > > it could well be that it's the names of that folder I tried with, which contain 'Preferences' and other strange mac chars. Anyway, an ls -la in the undeletable folder items gives: > > -rwx------ 1 lopez staff 6988 May 27 1998 Y5_4.JPG > -rwx------ 1 lopez staff 6940 May 27 1998 Y5_5.JPG > .... > > After testing with other folders, things looked much better, but I still get > - unsufficient privileges > - an item with the name 'Icon' already exists > - some other errors > > but with other dirs I did not have the trashing-permission problem........ > > ....at least, I got to mount the volumes on Mac OS X 10.0.0, which I never got to work with netatalk 1.4.99 and sourceforge-successors. > I'd be glad if someone has a solution...... anyway, I'm sure as soon as rufustfirefly or asun or anybody else involved will get to reproduce the problems, they'll be solved. > Damned...... I'd really like to start using OSX now, despite it being some kind of 'Beta 2'. > I tried hard, with all versions of netatalk I could find. I'm not a C programmer, just a web developer, and sysadmin. > I compiled mostly on LinuxPPC (cause there I have our most important files). > > > :-( > > > > Allright, now I'll reboot into macos9, and since it worked so well with OS9, switch back to 1.5pre3........ > > Lorenzo > > p.s. > > here's a list of my experiments....... if it can be useful to anybody, anyway. I mean, it can be a reference only to those that see matching experiences in at least 2 cases ;) > > === 1.4b2+asun2.1.3: === > > Same experience with the following OSes: > > SuSE Linux 6.3/Intel: > SuSE Linux 7.0/Intel > SuSE Linux 7.0/PPC > LinuxPPC 2000 Q4 > > - distri standard; > - works with OS9, slow. resource, ownership, ID related problems on OS9; > - OSX client connects and mounts, but plenty of problems when opening / editing files; > > === netatalk-pre-asun2.1.4-38b_test === > > LinuxPPC 2000 Q4 > > - works with OS9, FAST. seems OK on OS9, but I'd have to make more tests, no time now. > - OSX client connects and mounts, but -43 and -37 errors EVERYWHERE, also with files without resources or type/creators; > > === netatalk-pre-asun2.1.4-37b=== > > LinuxPPC 2000 Q4 > > - OS9 not tested yet > - OSX client connects and mounts, but -43 and -37 errors when copying, but only on some files. > - When putting things of SOME folders to the trash (looks like folder name problems!), can't empty trash 'not enough privileges' > - otherwise _very fast_ on OSX, also on many folders and files! > > === netatalk-1.4.99-0.20001108 === > > SuSE Linux 6.3/Intel: > - works with OS9; fast. alias problems; > - OSX clients get disconnected immediately after share choice; > > LinuxPPC 2000 Q4: > - compiled but didn't work: disconnect upon file share choice with OS9. > > > === netatalk-1.5pre3 === > > SuSE Linux 6.3/Intel: > - works with OS9; fast. folder alias problems; > - OSX clients get disconnected immediately after share choice; slow sherlock name searches; > - best choice for me now (production). > > SuSE Linux 7.0/Intel > - works with OS9; fast. folder alias problems; > - OSX clients get disconnected immediately after share choice; slow sherlock name searches; > - best choice for me now (production). > > LinuxPPC 2000 Q4 > - configure-related problems (setpgrp...), 'commented' out to get ahead. > - works with OS9; fast. folder alias problems; extremely slow sherlock name searches; > - OSX clients get disconnected immediately after share choice; > - best choice for me now (production). > > === netatalk-1.5pre4 === > > LinuxPPC 2000 Q4 > - compiled but didn't work: disconnect upon file share choice with OS9 (same problem as with OSX). > > SuSE Linux 6.3/Intel: > - problems compiling > > === netatalk-1.5pre5 === > > LinuxPPC 2000 Q4 > - configure-related problems (can not check if setpgrp is cross compiling...), 'commented' out some configure lines to get ahead. > - suspicious messages when making > - install problems: codepages not found? had to get them from an older /etc/atalk file > - after a few hours of work, when i came back and netatalk had crashed. > - switched back to pre3 > > ..... > > :-| > > p.p.s. > > I like thisone quite a bit. It' s just about almost everything: > > >======================================================== > > > >"Always ask the question, never assume the answer." > > Marcus Radich 1999 > > > >======================================================== > > assuming is a bad habit...... > difficult to give up, in some cases, too...... > (it always gives the illusion to be effective - especially in programming issues) > > ;-) > > > Lorenzo > > > > At 12:09 Uhr +1200 29.03.2001, Marcus Radich wrote: > >OK, I originally found that asun2.1.3 was wicked for serving quark dox, but when I updated to 214, I started having file locking problems with quark (typical). Also seems to happen with codewarrior(noted by a friend). > >So after reading through asun's notes, I found a section which refers to the "old style" of byte locking. Adding the DEF= line and recompiling works perfectly. I have over 20 servers in production proving that! > > > >Go to: ftp://ftp.cobaltnet.com/pub/users/asun/testing/ if you need it. > > > >I'm currently running MacOS X 4L5 (10.0.1), which BTW is quite a bit snappier than 4K78 (10.0.0), and connecting to these servers shows no issues. Confirmed and tested! > > > >(Also, for those "Mac OS X is too slow" people. Get 10.0.1 when it comes out (soon), and get Plus for X. It allows you to change Genie to scale and other less-CPU-intensive things. Look on versiontracker for a link to this) > > > >I still use 1.4b2+asun214-37b because it works. I think I will start experimenting with 1.5 soon. > > > >mrad01 > > > > > >At 12:08 PM -0500 28/3/2001, Steven Karel wrote: > >>1. Just wanted to concur with Marcus that netatalk-1.4b2+asun2.1.4-pre37b > >>works fine with the appleshare client in OS X 10.0,.whereas the public > >>beta failed horribly . Not all versions of netatalk are that well behaved, > >>however. I haven't tested exhaustively, but I do know that 37b works on at > >>least 4 of our servers (RH 6.2/RH 7.0). Also, the old version 1.4b2-2.1.3 > >>seems to work as well. > >> > >>2. Setting -DUSE_FLOCK_LOCKS doesn't seem to be necessary for this > >>purpose, although it may help with file locking for other reasons. Marcus, > >>if you could be so kind, can you explain for us again what problems it > >>solves, and where exactly you recommend setting it? (I added > >>-DUSE_FLOCK_LOCKS in the sys/linux/Makefile DEFS= line) > >> > >>README.ASUN says: > >> > >> > >> byte locks should now work. if you want to enable the old way > >> of doing things, add -DUSE_FLOCK_LOCKS. > >> > >> > >> > >>thanks, > >> > >>stevne > >> > >> On Wed, 28 > >>Mar 2001, Marcus Radich wrote: > >> > >>> > >>> BTW, netatalk 1.4b2+asun 214 -37b works very well with Mac OS X as > >>> long as you add the DEFS= -DFLOCKS thingy to the sys/Linux/Makefile > >>> before you compile. I haven't tried 1.5. You can only connect via IP > >>> (great!) and transferring files large and small has worked for me > >>> since 4K46 > >>> > >>> mrad01 > >>> > > > > > > > >-- > >======================================================== > > > >"Always ask the question, never assume the answer." > > Marcus Radich 1999 > > > >======================================================== > -- Chad Cunningham ccunning@math.ohio-state.edu "Well, once again my friend, we find that science is a two-headed beast. One head is nice, it gives us aspirin and other modern conveniences,...but the other head of science is bad! Oh beware the other head of science, Arthur, it bites!" From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Tue Apr 3 19:23:59 2001 Return-Path: Received: from kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.25]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id TAA10463 for ; Tue, 3 Apr 2001 19:23:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id TAA13014 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Tue, 3 Apr 2001 19:23:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id TAA12981 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Tue, 3 Apr 2001 19:23:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vulcan.borgspace.alpha ([213.97.106.73]) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id TAA12884 for ; Tue, 3 Apr 2001 19:23:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (tangy.borgspace.alpha [10.0.0.3]) by vulcan.borgspace.alpha (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id f33NKKn04492; Wed, 4 Apr 2001 01:20:32 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from jason_quigley@hp.com) Message-Id: <200104032320.f33NKKn04492@vulcan.borgspace.alpha> Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2001 01:23:38 +0200 From: "QUIGLEY,JASON (HP-Spain,ex1)" Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Mac OS X and netatalk... Cc: Netatalk-Admins@umich.edu To: Lorenzo Perone X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.387) In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v387) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Lorenzo! A little late perhaps, I have been rebuilding my work system and mail archives (Beta 2 trashed the hard disk type problems!!). Anyway, the option you should be trying is: -DUSE_FLOCK_LOCKS I tried this for myself but didn't get much joy. It's been mentioned that it's the client's fault or the server's fault but I've got my test system running with netatalk-1.4b2+asun2.1.3_1 - just barely. I'm getting the usual permissions crap with directories. Compiling the asun2.1.4 versions is broken under FreeBSD. The pre series on source forge is broken (compiles okay) with 10 - unexpected shutdowns. I'm going to try and run 2 sets of servers - the pre series for 9- machines and the one that barely works for 10+ machines binding to different addresses to see if this is a solution. I think the general impression that I get is that nobody really has a clue what's at fault and as the jocks on source forge don't really care too much about anything other Linux, those of us who like to run stable setups are in for a long wait for a resolution. Does anybody know if Apple is interested in supporting anything other the Mac OS X Server or Appleshare IP? It would be nice to know what changes are going on in the client side, at least. Sorry if I sound pissed off, but I have tried to compile, or have compiled (into the wee hours) every version of netatalk that I could get my hands on and every one has a different set of problems. I think the frustration is starting to get to me!! Cheers, Jason. On Saturday, March 31, 2001, at 10:47 am, Lorenzo Perone wrote: > Hi fellow neta-admins, > > I've been 'going down deep' into the OSX/netatalk adventure ;-) > > I've tried the -DFLOCKS (adding it to the DEFS line - correct?) thing > and pre-asun2.1.4-38b_test. > No success, I get -43 and -37 errors _everywhere_ (uploading and > downloading) - looks like an .AppleDouble problem? (thought they were > related to resources, those errors). > But the same dirs used to work perfectly with pre3m (I'll check thisone > out, anyway!). > > With pre-asun2.1.4-37b it got better: > Mounts OK, downloads and gives the -43 error only on some files. > But then, after throwing one copied folder to the trash, when trying to > empty it, I get a message with 'not enough privileges to perform > operation'. > Weird enough: I got into the terminal, su-rooted (with an enabled root > account, via NetInfoManager). > This is what I got when I tried to rm the stuff in /Users/lopez/.Trash: > > override rwx------ lopez/staff for > 6100's/Preferences/UMAX/VistaScan/Viewer Files/BRI4.JPG? y > rm: 6100's/Preferences/UMAX/VistaScan/Viewer Files/BRI4.JPG: Operation > not permitted > > I tried to chmod 660 all the stuff in there: > > root# chmod -R 660 * > chmod: 6100's//Preferences/UMAX/VistaScan/Viewer Files/Y9.JPG: > Operation not permitted > sort of weird! How can I get rid of that stuff now?? > > it could well be that it's the names of that folder I tried with, which > contain 'Preferences' and other strange mac chars. Anyway, an ls -la in > the undeletable folder items gives: > > -rwx------ 1 lopez staff 6988 May 27 1998 Y5_4.JPG > -rwx------ 1 lopez staff 6940 May 27 1998 Y5_5.JPG > .... > > After testing with other folders, things looked much better, but I > still get > - unsufficient privileges > - an item with the name 'Icon' already exists > - some other errors > > but with other dirs I did not have the trashing-permission > problem........ > > ....at least, I got to mount the volumes on Mac OS X 10.0.0, which I > never got to work with netatalk 1.4.99 and sourceforge-successors. > I'd be glad if someone has a solution...... anyway, I'm sure as soon as > rufustfirefly or asun or anybody else involved will get to reproduce > the problems, they'll be solved. > Damned...... I'd really like to start using OSX now, despite it being > some kind of 'Beta 2'. > I tried hard, with all versions of netatalk I could find. I'm not a C > programmer, just a web developer, and sysadmin. > I compiled mostly on LinuxPPC (cause there I have our most important > files). > > > :-( > > > > Allright, now I'll reboot into macos9, and since it worked so well with > OS9, switch back to 1.5pre3........ > > Lorenzo > > p.s. > > here's a list of my experiments....... if it can be useful to anybody, > anyway. I mean, it can be a reference only to those that see matching > experiences in at least 2 cases ;) > > === 1.4b2+asun2.1.3: === > > Same experience with the following OSes: > > SuSE Linux 6.3/Intel: > SuSE Linux 7.0/Intel > SuSE Linux 7.0/PPC > LinuxPPC 2000 Q4 > > - distri standard; > - works with OS9, slow. resource, ownership, ID related problems on OS9; > - OSX client connects and mounts, but plenty of problems when opening / > editing files; > > === netatalk-pre-asun2.1.4-38b_test === > > LinuxPPC 2000 Q4 > > - works with OS9, FAST. seems OK on OS9, but I'd have to make more > tests, no time now. > - OSX client connects and mounts, but -43 and -37 errors EVERYWHERE, > also with files without resources or type/creators; > > === netatalk-pre-asun2.1.4-37b=== > > LinuxPPC 2000 Q4 > > - OS9 not tested yet > - OSX client connects and mounts, but -43 and -37 errors when copying, > but only on some files. > - When putting things of SOME folders to the trash (looks like folder > name problems!), can't empty trash 'not enough privileges' > - otherwise _very fast_ on OSX, also on many folders and files! > > === netatalk-1.4.99-0.20001108 === > > SuSE Linux 6.3/Intel: > - works with OS9; fast. alias problems; > - OSX clients get disconnected immediately after share choice; > > LinuxPPC 2000 Q4: > - compiled but didn't work: disconnect upon file share choice with OS9. > > > === netatalk-1.5pre3 === > > SuSE Linux 6.3/Intel: > - works with OS9; fast. folder alias problems; > - OSX clients get disconnected immediately after share choice; slow > sherlock name searches; > - best choice for me now (production). > > SuSE Linux 7.0/Intel > - works with OS9; fast. folder alias problems; > - OSX clients get disconnected immediately after share choice; slow > sherlock name searches; > - best choice for me now (production). > > LinuxPPC 2000 Q4 > - configure-related problems (setpgrp...), 'commented' out to get ahead. > - works with OS9; fast. folder alias problems; extremely slow sherlock > name searches; > - OSX clients get disconnected immediately after share choice; > - best choice for me now (production). > > === netatalk-1.5pre4 === > > LinuxPPC 2000 Q4 > - compiled but didn't work: disconnect upon file share choice with OS9 > (same problem as with OSX). > > SuSE Linux 6.3/Intel: > - problems compiling > > === netatalk-1.5pre5 === > > LinuxPPC 2000 Q4 > - configure-related problems (can not check if setpgrp is cross > compiling...), 'commented' out some configure lines to get ahead. > - suspicious messages when making > - install problems: codepages not found? had to get them from an older > /etc/atalk file > - after a few hours of work, when i came back and netatalk had crashed. > - switched back to pre3 > > ..... > > :-| > > p.p.s. > > I like thisone quite a bit. It' s just about almost everything: > >> ======================================================== >> >> "Always ask the question, never assume the answer." >> Marcus Radich 1999 >> >> ======================================================== > > assuming is a bad habit...... > difficult to give up, in some cases, too...... > (it always gives the illusion to be effective - especially in > programming issues) > > ;-) > > > Lorenzo > > > > At 12:09 Uhr +1200 29.03.2001, Marcus Radich wrote: >> OK, I originally found that asun2.1.3 was wicked for serving quark >> dox, but when I updated to 214, I started having file locking problems >> with quark (typical). Also seems to happen with codewarrior(noted by a >> friend). >> So after reading through asun's notes, I found a section which refers >> to the "old style" of byte locking. Adding the DEF= line and >> recompiling works perfectly. I have over 20 servers in production >> proving that! >> >> Go to: ftp://ftp.cobaltnet.com/pub/users/asun/testing/ if you need it. >> >> I'm currently running MacOS X 4L5 (10.0.1), which BTW is quite a bit >> snappier than 4K78 (10.0.0), and connecting to these servers shows no >> issues. Confirmed and tested! >> >> (Also, for those "Mac OS X is too slow" people. Get 10.0.1 when it >> comes out (soon), and get Plus for X. It allows you to change Genie to >> scale and other less-CPU-intensive things. Look on versiontracker for >> a link to this) >> >> I still use 1.4b2+asun214-37b because it works. I think I will start >> experimenting with 1.5 soon. >> >> mrad01 >> >> >> At 12:08 PM -0500 28/3/2001, Steven Karel wrote: >>> 1. Just wanted to concur with Marcus that >>> netatalk-1.4b2+asun2.1.4-pre37b >>> works fine with the appleshare client in OS X 10.0,.whereas the public >>> beta failed horribly . Not all versions of netatalk are that well >>> behaved, >>> however. I haven't tested exhaustively, but I do know that 37b works >>> on at >>> least 4 of our servers (RH 6.2/RH 7.0). Also, the old version >>> 1.4b2-2.1.3 >>> seems to work as well. >>> >>> 2. Setting -DUSE_FLOCK_LOCKS doesn't seem to be necessary for this >>> purpose, although it may help with file locking for other reasons. >>> Marcus, >>> if you could be so kind, can you explain for us again what problems it >>> solves, and where exactly you recommend setting it? (I added >>> -DUSE_FLOCK_LOCKS in the sys/linux/Makefile DEFS= line) >>> >>> README.ASUN says: >>> >>> >>> byte locks should now work. if you want to enable the old way >>> of doing things, add -DUSE_FLOCK_LOCKS. >>> >>> >>> >>> thanks, >>> >>> stevne >>> >>> On Wed, 28 >>> Mar 2001, Marcus Radich wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> BTW, netatalk 1.4b2+asun 214 -37b works very well with Mac OS X as >>>> long as you add the DEFS= -DFLOCKS thingy to the sys/Linux/Makefile >>>> before you compile. I haven't tried 1.5. You can only connect via IP >>>> (great!) and transferring files large and small has worked for me >>>> since 4K46 >>>> >>>> mrad01 >>>> >> >> >> >> -- >> ======================================================== >> >> "Always ask the question, never assume the answer." >> Marcus Radich 1999 >> >> ======================================================== > From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Tue Apr 3 19:26:16 2001 Return-Path: Received: from funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.27]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id TAA10524 for ; Tue, 3 Apr 2001 19:26:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id TAA15470 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Tue, 3 Apr 2001 19:26:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id TAA15448 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Tue, 3 Apr 2001 19:26:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vulcan.borgspace.alpha ([213.97.106.73]) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id TAA15351 for ; Tue, 3 Apr 2001 19:26:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (tangy.borgspace.alpha [10.0.0.3]) by vulcan.borgspace.alpha (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id f33NMln04510; Wed, 4 Apr 2001 01:22:48 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from jasonq@mac.com) Message-Id: <200104032322.f33NMln04510@vulcan.borgspace.alpha> Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2001 01:26:05 +0200 From: Jason Quigley Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Mac OS X and netatalk... Cc: To: Chad Cunningham X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.387) In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v387) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Chad! Don't go the way of NFS if you're going to be mixing client platforms. That's bad karma, in my experience. 10 messes things up for 9 and can't read things that 9 puts on the share. Cheers, Jason. On Tuesday, April 3, 2001, at 09:23 pm, Chad Cunningham wrote: > > So, what was the version people said worked fine (arg, no archives?) > > I haven't had much luck either, the 1.5 series don't cut it and the > 1.4b2+asun2.1.3 redhat powertools rpm actually managed to crash the OSX > finder repeatedly... I was briefly excited to learn that the finder > recognizes NFS mounts in the final release, which is at least a > temporary > fix, but I have a lot of older files that need to store resource data. > > On Sat, 31 Mar 2001, Lorenzo Perone wrote: > >> Hi fellow neta-admins, >> >> I've been 'going down deep' into the OSX/netatalk adventure ;-) >> >> I've tried the -DFLOCKS (adding it to the DEFS line - correct?) thing >> and pre-asun2.1.4-38b_test. >> No success, I get -43 and -37 errors _everywhere_ (uploading and >> downloading) - looks like an .AppleDouble problem? (thought they were >> related to resources, those errors). >> But the same dirs used to work perfectly with pre3m (I'll check >> thisone out, anyway!). >> >> With pre-asun2.1.4-37b it got better: >> Mounts OK, downloads and gives the -43 error only on some files. >> But then, after throwing one copied folder to the trash, when trying >> to empty it, I get a message with 'not enough privileges to perform >> operation'. >> Weird enough: I got into the terminal, su-rooted (with an enabled root >> account, via NetInfoManager). >> This is what I got when I tried to rm the stuff in /Users/lopez/.Trash: >> >> override rwx------ lopez/staff for >> 6100's/Preferences/UMAX/VistaScan/Viewer Files/BRI4.JPG? y >> rm: 6100's/Preferences/UMAX/VistaScan/Viewer Files/BRI4.JPG: Operation >> not permitted >> >> I tried to chmod 660 all the stuff in there: >> >> root# chmod -R 660 * >> chmod: 6100's//Preferences/UMAX/VistaScan/Viewer Files/Y9.JPG: >> Operation not permitted >> sort of weird! How can I get rid of that stuff now?? >> >> it could well be that it's the names of that folder I tried with, >> which contain 'Preferences' and other strange mac chars. Anyway, an ls >> -la in the undeletable folder items gives: >> >> -rwx------ 1 lopez staff 6988 May 27 1998 Y5_4.JPG >> -rwx------ 1 lopez staff 6940 May 27 1998 Y5_5.JPG >> .... >> >> After testing with other folders, things looked much better, but I >> still get >> - unsufficient privileges >> - an item with the name 'Icon' already exists >> - some other errors >> >> but with other dirs I did not have the trashing-permission >> problem........ >> >> ....at least, I got to mount the volumes on Mac OS X 10.0.0, which I >> never got to work with netatalk 1.4.99 and sourceforge-successors. >> I'd be glad if someone has a solution...... anyway, I'm sure as soon >> as rufustfirefly or asun or anybody else involved will get to >> reproduce the problems, they'll be solved. >> Damned...... I'd really like to start using OSX now, despite it being >> some kind of 'Beta 2'. >> I tried hard, with all versions of netatalk I could find. I'm not a C >> programmer, just a web developer, and sysadmin. >> I compiled mostly on LinuxPPC (cause there I have our most important >> files). >> >> >> :-( >> >> >> >> Allright, now I'll reboot into macos9, and since it worked so well >> with OS9, switch back to 1.5pre3........ >> >> Lorenzo >> >> p.s. >> >> here's a list of my experiments....... if it can be useful to anybody, >> anyway. I mean, it can be a reference only to those that see matching >> experiences in at least 2 cases ;) >> >> === 1.4b2+asun2.1.3: === >> >> Same experience with the following OSes: >> >> SuSE Linux 6.3/Intel: >> SuSE Linux 7.0/Intel >> SuSE Linux 7.0/PPC >> LinuxPPC 2000 Q4 >> >> - distri standard; >> - works with OS9, slow. resource, ownership, ID related problems on >> OS9; >> - OSX client connects and mounts, but plenty of problems when >> opening / editing files; >> >> === netatalk-pre-asun2.1.4-38b_test === >> >> LinuxPPC 2000 Q4 >> >> - works with OS9, FAST. seems OK on OS9, but I'd have to make more >> tests, no time now. >> - OSX client connects and mounts, but -43 and -37 errors EVERYWHERE, >> also with files without resources or type/creators; >> >> === netatalk-pre-asun2.1.4-37b=== >> >> LinuxPPC 2000 Q4 >> >> - OS9 not tested yet >> - OSX client connects and mounts, but -43 and -37 errors when copying, >> but only on some files. >> - When putting things of SOME folders to the trash (looks like folder >> name problems!), can't empty trash 'not enough privileges' >> - otherwise _very fast_ on OSX, also on many folders and files! >> >> === netatalk-1.4.99-0.20001108 === >> >> SuSE Linux 6.3/Intel: >> - works with OS9; fast. alias problems; >> - OSX clients get disconnected immediately after share choice; >> >> LinuxPPC 2000 Q4: >> - compiled but didn't work: disconnect upon file share choice with OS9. >> >> >> === netatalk-1.5pre3 === >> >> SuSE Linux 6.3/Intel: >> - works with OS9; fast. folder alias problems; >> - OSX clients get disconnected immediately after share choice; slow >> sherlock name searches; >> - best choice for me now (production). >> >> SuSE Linux 7.0/Intel >> - works with OS9; fast. folder alias problems; >> - OSX clients get disconnected immediately after share choice; slow >> sherlock name searches; >> - best choice for me now (production). >> >> LinuxPPC 2000 Q4 >> - configure-related problems (setpgrp...), 'commented' out to get >> ahead. >> - works with OS9; fast. folder alias problems; extremely slow sherlock >> name searches; >> - OSX clients get disconnected immediately after share choice; >> - best choice for me now (production). >> >> === netatalk-1.5pre4 === >> >> LinuxPPC 2000 Q4 >> - compiled but didn't work: disconnect upon file share choice with OS9 >> (same problem as with OSX). >> >> SuSE Linux 6.3/Intel: >> - problems compiling >> >> === netatalk-1.5pre5 === >> >> LinuxPPC 2000 Q4 >> - configure-related problems (can not check if setpgrp is cross >> compiling...), 'commented' out some configure lines to get ahead. >> - suspicious messages when making >> - install problems: codepages not found? had to get them from an older >> /etc/atalk file >> - after a few hours of work, when i came back and netatalk had crashed. >> - switched back to pre3 >> >> ..... >> >> :-| >> >> p.p.s. >> >> I like thisone quite a bit. It' s just about almost everything: >> >>> ======================================================== >>> >>> "Always ask the question, never assume the answer." >>> Marcus Radich 1999 >>> >>> ======================================================== >> >> assuming is a bad habit...... >> difficult to give up, in some cases, too...... >> (it always gives the illusion to be effective - especially in >> programming issues) >> >> ;-) >> >> >> Lorenzo >> >> >> >> At 12:09 Uhr +1200 29.03.2001, Marcus Radich wrote: >>> OK, I originally found that asun2.1.3 was wicked for serving quark >>> dox, but when I updated to 214, I started having file locking >>> problems with quark (typical). Also seems to happen with >>> codewarrior(noted by a friend). >>> So after reading through asun's notes, I found a section which refers >>> to the "old style" of byte locking. Adding the DEF= line and >>> recompiling works perfectly. I have over 20 servers in production >>> proving that! >>> >>> Go to: ftp://ftp.cobaltnet.com/pub/users/asun/testing/ if you need >>> it. >>> >>> I'm currently running MacOS X 4L5 (10.0.1), which BTW is quite a bit >>> snappier than 4K78 (10.0.0), and connecting to these servers shows no >>> issues. Confirmed and tested! >>> >>> (Also, for those "Mac OS X is too slow" people. Get 10.0.1 when it >>> comes out (soon), and get Plus for X. It allows you to change Genie >>> to scale and other less-CPU-intensive things. Look on versiontracker >>> for a link to this) >>> >>> I still use 1.4b2+asun214-37b because it works. I think I will start >>> experimenting with 1.5 soon. >>> >>> mrad01 >>> >>> >>> At 12:08 PM -0500 28/3/2001, Steven Karel wrote: >>>> 1. Just wanted to concur with Marcus that >>>> netatalk-1.4b2+asun2.1.4-pre37b >>>> works fine with the appleshare client in OS X 10.0,.whereas the >>>> public >>>> beta failed horribly . Not all versions of netatalk are that well >>>> behaved, >>>> however. I haven't tested exhaustively, but I do know that 37b works >>>> on at >>>> least 4 of our servers (RH 6.2/RH 7.0). Also, the old version >>>> 1.4b2-2.1.3 >>>> seems to work as well. >>>> >>>> 2. Setting -DUSE_FLOCK_LOCKS doesn't seem to be necessary for this >>>> purpose, although it may help with file locking for other reasons. >>>> Marcus, >>>> if you could be so kind, can you explain for us again what problems >>>> it >>>> solves, and where exactly you recommend setting it? (I added >>>> -DUSE_FLOCK_LOCKS in the sys/linux/Makefile DEFS= line) >>>> >>>> README.ASUN says: >>>> >>>> >>>> byte locks should now work. if you want to enable the old way >>>> of doing things, add -DUSE_FLOCK_LOCKS. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> thanks, >>>> >>>> stevne >>>> >>>> On Wed, 28 >>>> Mar 2001, Marcus Radich wrote: >>>> >>>>> >>>>> BTW, netatalk 1.4b2+asun 214 -37b works very well with Mac OS X as >>>>> long as you add the DEFS= -DFLOCKS thingy to the sys/Linux/Makefile >>>>> before you compile. I haven't tried 1.5. You can only connect via IP >>>>> (great!) and transferring files large and small has worked for me >>>>> since 4K46 >>>>> >>>>> mrad01 >>>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> ======================================================== >>> >>> "Always ask the question, never assume the answer." >>> Marcus Radich 1999 >>> >>> ======================================================== >> > > -- > > Chad Cunningham > ccunning@math.ohio-state.edu > > "Well, once again my friend, we find that science is a two-headed > beast. One > head is nice, it gives us aspirin and other modern conveniences,...but > the > other head of science is bad! Oh beware the other head of science, > Arthur, it > bites!" > From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Tue Apr 3 21:52:15 2001 Return-Path: Received: from kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.25]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id VAA13306 for ; Tue, 3 Apr 2001 21:52:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id VAA09229 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Tue, 3 Apr 2001 21:52:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id VAA09199 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Tue, 3 Apr 2001 21:52:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from PHSEXCHICI.MGH.HARVARD.EDU (phsexchici.mgh.harvard.edu [132.183.126.51]) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id VAA09151 for ; Tue, 3 Apr 2001 21:52:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: by phsexchici.mgh.harvard.edu with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Tue, 3 Apr 2001 21:52:10 -0400 Message-ID: <8E741FCD9606D411AD1B00508B64502903DF22@phsexch16.mgh.harvard.edu> From: "Temple, Matthew H." To: "'QUIGLEY,JASON (HP-Spain,ex1) '" , "'Lorenzo Perone '" Cc: "'Netatalk-Admins@umich.edu '" Subject: RE: Mac OS X and netatalk... Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2001 21:52:09 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" All, Once upon a time in a land far away, Apple and Digital Equipment actually worked together to port a genuine appletalk stack for VMS/Ultix/Dec Unix. I think Sun was in on this too. Unfortunately, after that product became Pacer software it was bought by a cannibal company and later destroyed. CAP and Netatalk have done quite well up to this point, but a little help/cooperation with/from Apple would be handy. I suppose that since they've got their own Unix product right now, they probably won't be pushing hard to insinuate themselve into the netatalk world. >From their unwillingness to port to Intel, etc., you see how they studiously avoid having a larger market share unless it just can't be avoided. mht -----Original Message----- From: QUIGLEY,JASON (HP-Spain,ex1) To: Lorenzo Perone Cc: Netatalk-Admins@umich.edu Sent: 4/3/01 7:23 PM Subject: Re: Mac OS X and netatalk... Hi Lorenzo! A little late perhaps, I have been rebuilding my work system and mail archives (Beta 2 trashed the hard disk type problems!!). Anyway, the option you should be trying is: -DUSE_FLOCK_LOCKS I tried this for myself but didn't get much joy. It's been mentioned that it's the client's fault or the server's fault but I've got my test system running with netatalk-1.4b2+asun2.1.3_1 - just barely. I'm getting the usual permissions crap with directories. Compiling the asun2.1.4 versions is broken under FreeBSD. The pre series on source forge is broken (compiles okay) with 10 - unexpected shutdowns. I'm going to try and run 2 sets of servers - the pre series for 9- machines and the one that barely works for 10+ machines binding to different addresses to see if this is a solution. I think the general impression that I get is that nobody really has a clue what's at fault and as the jocks on source forge don't really care too much about anything other Linux, those of us who like to run stable setups are in for a long wait for a resolution. Does anybody know if Apple is interested in supporting anything other the Mac OS X Server or Appleshare IP? It would be nice to know what changes are going on in the client side, at least. Sorry if I sound pissed off, but I have tried to compile, or have compiled (into the wee hours) every version of netatalk that I could get my hands on and every one has a different set of problems. I think the frustration is starting to get to me!! Cheers, Jason. On Saturday, March 31, 2001, at 10:47 am, Lorenzo Perone wrote: > Hi fellow neta-admins, > > I've been 'going down deep' into the OSX/netatalk adventure ;-) > > I've tried the -DFLOCKS (adding it to the DEFS line - correct?) thing > and pre-asun2.1.4-38b_test. > No success, I get -43 and -37 errors _everywhere_ (uploading and > downloading) - looks like an .AppleDouble problem? (thought they were > related to resources, those errors). > But the same dirs used to work perfectly with pre3m (I'll check thisone > out, anyway!). > > With pre-asun2.1.4-37b it got better: > Mounts OK, downloads and gives the -43 error only on some files. > But then, after throwing one copied folder to the trash, when trying to > empty it, I get a message with 'not enough privileges to perform > operation'. > Weird enough: I got into the terminal, su-rooted (with an enabled root > account, via NetInfoManager). > This is what I got when I tried to rm the stuff in /Users/lopez/.Trash: > > override rwx------ lopez/staff for > 6100's/Preferences/UMAX/VistaScan/Viewer Files/BRI4.JPG? y > rm: 6100's/Preferences/UMAX/VistaScan/Viewer Files/BRI4.JPG: Operation > not permitted > > I tried to chmod 660 all the stuff in there: > > root# chmod -R 660 * > chmod: 6100's//Preferences/UMAX/VistaScan/Viewer Files/Y9.JPG: > Operation not permitted > sort of weird! How can I get rid of that stuff now?? > > it could well be that it's the names of that folder I tried with, which > contain 'Preferences' and other strange mac chars. Anyway, an ls -la in > the undeletable folder items gives: > > -rwx------ 1 lopez staff 6988 May 27 1998 Y5_4.JPG > -rwx------ 1 lopez staff 6940 May 27 1998 Y5_5.JPG > .... > > After testing with other folders, things looked much better, but I > still get > - unsufficient privileges > - an item with the name 'Icon' already exists > - some other errors > > but with other dirs I did not have the trashing-permission > problem........ > > ....at least, I got to mount the volumes on Mac OS X 10.0.0, which I > never got to work with netatalk 1.4.99 and sourceforge-successors. > I'd be glad if someone has a solution...... anyway, I'm sure as soon as > rufustfirefly or asun or anybody else involved will get to reproduce > the problems, they'll be solved. > Damned...... I'd really like to start using OSX now, despite it being > some kind of 'Beta 2'. > I tried hard, with all versions of netatalk I could find. I'm not a C > programmer, just a web developer, and sysadmin. > I compiled mostly on LinuxPPC (cause there I have our most important > files). > > > :-( > > > > Allright, now I'll reboot into macos9, and since it worked so well with > OS9, switch back to 1.5pre3........ > > Lorenzo > > p.s. > > here's a list of my experiments....... if it can be useful to anybody, > anyway. I mean, it can be a reference only to those that see matching > experiences in at least 2 cases ;) > > === 1.4b2+asun2.1.3: === > > Same experience with the following OSes: > > SuSE Linux 6.3/Intel: > SuSE Linux 7.0/Intel > SuSE Linux 7.0/PPC > LinuxPPC 2000 Q4 > > - distri standard; > - works with OS9, slow. resource, ownership, ID related problems on OS9; > - OSX client connects and mounts, but plenty of problems when opening / > editing files; > > === netatalk-pre-asun2.1.4-38b_test === > > LinuxPPC 2000 Q4 > > - works with OS9, FAST. seems OK on OS9, but I'd have to make more > tests, no time now. > - OSX client connects and mounts, but -43 and -37 errors EVERYWHERE, > also with files without resources or type/creators; > > === netatalk-pre-asun2.1.4-37b=== > > LinuxPPC 2000 Q4 > > - OS9 not tested yet > - OSX client connects and mounts, but -43 and -37 errors when copying, > but only on some files. > - When putting things of SOME folders to the trash (looks like folder > name problems!), can't empty trash 'not enough privileges' > - otherwise _very fast_ on OSX, also on many folders and files! > > === netatalk-1.4.99-0.20001108 === > > SuSE Linux 6.3/Intel: > - works with OS9; fast. alias problems; > - OSX clients get disconnected immediately after share choice; > > LinuxPPC 2000 Q4: > - compiled but didn't work: disconnect upon file share choice with OS9. > > > === netatalk-1.5pre3 === > > SuSE Linux 6.3/Intel: > - works with OS9; fast. folder alias problems; > - OSX clients get disconnected immediately after share choice; slow > sherlock name searches; > - best choice for me now (production). > > SuSE Linux 7.0/Intel > - works with OS9; fast. folder alias problems; > - OSX clients get disconnected immediately after share choice; slow > sherlock name searches; > - best choice for me now (production). > > LinuxPPC 2000 Q4 > - configure-related problems (setpgrp...), 'commented' out to get ahead. > - works with OS9; fast. folder alias problems; extremely slow sherlock > name searches; > - OSX clients get disconnected immediately after share choice; > - best choice for me now (production). > > === netatalk-1.5pre4 === > > LinuxPPC 2000 Q4 > - compiled but didn't work: disconnect upon file share choice with OS9 > (same problem as with OSX). > > SuSE Linux 6.3/Intel: > - problems compiling > > === netatalk-1.5pre5 === > > LinuxPPC 2000 Q4 > - configure-related problems (can not check if setpgrp is cross > compiling...), 'commented' out some configure lines to get ahead. > - suspicious messages when making > - install problems: codepages not found? had to get them from an older > /etc/atalk file > - after a few hours of work, when i came back and netatalk had crashed. > - switched back to pre3 > > ..... > > :-| > > p.p.s. > > I like thisone quite a bit. It' s just about almost everything: > >> ======================================================== >> >> "Always ask the question, never assume the answer." >> Marcus Radich 1999 >> >> ======================================================== > > assuming is a bad habit...... > difficult to give up, in some cases, too...... > (it always gives the illusion to be effective - especially in > programming issues) > > ;-) > > > Lorenzo > > > > At 12:09 Uhr +1200 29.03.2001, Marcus Radich wrote: >> OK, I originally found that asun2.1.3 was wicked for serving quark >> dox, but when I updated to 214, I started having file locking problems >> with quark (typical). Also seems to happen with codewarrior(noted by a >> friend). >> So after reading through asun's notes, I found a section which refers >> to the "old style" of byte locking. Adding the DEF= line and >> recompiling works perfectly. I have over 20 servers in production >> proving that! >> >> Go to: ftp://ftp.cobaltnet.com/pub/users/asun/testing/ if you need it. >> >> I'm currently running MacOS X 4L5 (10.0.1), which BTW is quite a bit >> snappier than 4K78 (10.0.0), and connecting to these servers shows no >> issues. Confirmed and tested! >> >> (Also, for those "Mac OS X is too slow" people. Get 10.0.1 when it >> comes out (soon), and get Plus for X. It allows you to change Genie to >> scale and other less-CPU-intensive things. Look on versiontracker for >> a link to this) >> >> I still use 1.4b2+asun214-37b because it works. I think I will start >> experimenting with 1.5 soon. >> >> mrad01 >> >> >> At 12:08 PM -0500 28/3/2001, Steven Karel wrote: >>> 1. Just wanted to concur with Marcus that >>> netatalk-1.4b2+asun2.1.4-pre37b >>> works fine with the appleshare client in OS X 10.0,.whereas the public >>> beta failed horribly . Not all versions of netatalk are that well >>> behaved, >>> however. I haven't tested exhaustively, but I do know that 37b works >>> on at >>> least 4 of our servers (RH 6.2/RH 7.0). Also, the old version >>> 1.4b2-2.1.3 >>> seems to work as well. >>> >>> 2. Setting -DUSE_FLOCK_LOCKS doesn't seem to be necessary for this >>> purpose, although it may help with file locking for other reasons. >>> Marcus, >>> if you could be so kind, can you explain for us again what problems it >>> solves, and where exactly you recommend setting it? (I added >>> -DUSE_FLOCK_LOCKS in the sys/linux/Makefile DEFS= line) >>> >>> README.ASUN says: >>> >>> >>> byte locks should now work. if you want to enable the old way >>> of doing things, add -DUSE_FLOCK_LOCKS. >>> >>> >>> >>> thanks, >>> >>> stevne >>> >>> On Wed, 28 >>> Mar 2001, Marcus Radich wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> BTW, netatalk 1.4b2+asun 214 -37b works very well with Mac OS X as >>>> long as you add the DEFS= -DFLOCKS thingy to the sys/Linux/Makefile >>>> before you compile. I haven't tried 1.5. You can only connect via IP >>>> (great!) and transferring files large and small has worked for me >>>> since 4K46 >>>> >>>> mrad01 >>>> >> >> >> >> -- >> ======================================================== >> >> "Always ask the question, never assume the answer." >> Marcus Radich 1999 >> >> ======================================================== > From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Wed Apr 4 14:49:56 2001 Return-Path: Received: from easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.26]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id OAA05209 for ; Wed, 4 Apr 2001 14:49:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id OAA16222 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Wed, 4 Apr 2001 14:49:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id OAA16179 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Wed, 4 Apr 2001 14:49:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mathserv.math.ohio-state.edu (mathserv.math.ohio-state.edu [128.146.111.31]) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id OAA16052 for ; Wed, 4 Apr 2001 14:49:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from math.ohio-state.edu (IDENT:postfix@hooloovoo.math.ohio-state.edu [128.146.111.37]) by mathserv.math.ohio-state.edu (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id f34Inme10123; Wed, 4 Apr 2001 14:49:48 -0400 Received: by math.ohio-state.edu (Postfix, from userid 2405) id E1201B9E2; Wed, 4 Apr 2001 14:49:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by math.ohio-state.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9AAAEB9E1; Wed, 4 Apr 2001 14:49:47 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2001 14:49:47 -0400 (EDT) From: Chad Cunningham To: Jason Quigley Cc: Subject: Re: Mac OS X and netatalk... In-Reply-To: <200104032322.f33NMln04510@vulcan.borgspace.alpha> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 4 Apr 2001, Jason Quigley wrote: > Hi Chad! > > Don't go the way of NFS if you're going to be mixing client platforms. > That's bad karma, in my experience. 10 messes things up for 9 and can't > read things that 9 puts on the share. Trust me, I don't *want* to :) But it's currently the only way I have of accessing files on my linux box... I've tried various versions of netatalk with no luck. -- Chad Cunningham ccunning@math.ohio-state.edu "Well, once again my friend, we find that science is a two-headed beast. One head is nice, it gives us aspirin and other modern conveniences,...but the other head of science is bad! Oh beware the other head of science, Arthur, it bites!" From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Wed Apr 4 15:53:18 2001 Return-Path: Received: from easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.26]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id PAA06644 for ; Wed, 4 Apr 2001 15:53:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id PAA21539 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Wed, 4 Apr 2001 15:53:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id PAA21518 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Wed, 4 Apr 2001 15:53:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cmr2.ash.ops.us.uu.net (cmr2.ash.ops.us.uu.net [198.5.241.40]) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id PAA21350 for ; Wed, 4 Apr 2001 15:53:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imr2.ash.ops.us.uu.net by cmr2.ash.ops.us.uu.net with ESMTP (peer crosschecked as: imr2.ash.ops.us.uu.net [153.39.43.15]) id QQkjil10889 for ; Wed, 4 Apr 2001 19:53:10 GMT Received: from [153.39.168.41] by imr2.ash.ops.us.uu.net with ESMTP (peer crosschecked as: macsupport2.corp.us.uu.net [153.39.168.41]) id QQkjil03872 for ; Wed, 4 Apr 2001 19:52:10 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: zer0@mail.mac.com Message-Id: Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2001 15:51:51 -0400 To: netatalk-admins@umich.edu From: David Subject: Netatalk can work with OS X final - the old versions Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" All interested: I've used a few different old versions and they all seem to work. Specifically I am using "netatalk-1.4b2+asun2.1.4-0.i386.rpm" which seemed to be the newest version I could find that actually worked. I used RPMfind.net to locate it. You may know about these old versions, they are missing some fairly useful features such as DHX authentication. To get two-way encrypted passwords, you have to have a .passwd file in each user's home directory that is chmod 0700 and owned by the user. David Shaub From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Wed Apr 4 16:24:22 2001 Return-Path: Received: from easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.26]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id QAA07804 for ; Wed, 4 Apr 2001 16:24:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id QAA08724 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Wed, 4 Apr 2001 16:24:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id QAA08702 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Wed, 4 Apr 2001 16:24:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from duffman (duffman.mgh.harvard.edu [132.183.191.79]) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id QAA08606 for ; Wed, 4 Apr 2001 16:24:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from eli (eli.mgh.harvard.edu [132.183.191.68]) by duffman (Postfix on SuSE eMail Server 2.0) with SMTP id 8C311143730 for ; Wed, 4 Apr 2001 15:22:07 -0400 (EDT) From: Norman tenBroek Reply-To: tenbroek@frodo.mgh.harvard.edu To: Netatalk-Admins@umich.edu Subject: SSH Work around Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2001 16:25:52 -0400 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <01040416255208.18248@eli> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi, Having failed to connect an OSX beta box to our netatalk server running on i386 Redhat 7.0 netatalk-1.5pre3. We downloaded a spiffy little ssh client for OSX which will give a graphical representation of the users home directory. Worked great. http://www.rbrowser.com/RBrowser_main.html Norm -- Norman tenBroek Systems Manager Dept. of Molecular Biology Mass. General Hospital From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Wed Apr 4 18:19:12 2001 Return-Path: Received: from funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.27]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id SAA12962 for ; Wed, 4 Apr 2001 18:19:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id SAA21001 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Wed, 4 Apr 2001 18:19:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id SAA20345 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Wed, 4 Apr 2001 18:19:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from s1.uklinux.net (ns1.uklinux.net [212.1.130.11]) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id SAA19433 for ; Wed, 4 Apr 2001 18:18:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 212.1.149.126 (ppp-2-126.cvx4.telinco.net [212.1.149.126]) by s1.uklinux.net (8.11.2/8.11.1) with ESMTP id f34MI6U13797 for ; Wed, 4 Apr 2001 23:18:07 +0100 Envelope-To: Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2001 21:42:20 +0100 From: Rory Campbell-Lange Subject: Spool HPGL files to network device? To: netatalk-admins@umich.edu X-Priority: 3 Message-ID: <20010404231635-r01010600-d223f1db@212.1.149.126> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; Charset=US-ASCII X-Mailer: Mailsmith 1.1.6 (Bluto) I don't know much at all about Linux printing. Our office has bought a device with 2 serial ports and an IP address. We have attached it to our two HPGL plotters and can print to it over ftp. The device, and "Axis printsender" supports printing over ftp, or spooling from a Linux, Mac or NT box. The device has no spool capacity of its own. A linux program provided with the device will install print drivers. I would like our office's Mac users to be able to put HPGL files in a directory shared using netatalk (I can do that bit!) and from there spool files to the device. I can do a cron/perl script to periodically send files to the "spooler" if someone could tell me what a "spooler" might consist of! Thanks for any help. Rory From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Wed Apr 4 22:08:53 2001 Return-Path: Received: from kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.25]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id WAA20003 for ; Wed, 4 Apr 2001 22:08:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id WAA00886 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Wed, 4 Apr 2001 22:08:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id WAA00865 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Wed, 4 Apr 2001 22:08:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mathserv.math.ohio-state.edu (mathserv.math.ohio-state.edu [128.146.111.31]) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id WAA00793 for ; Wed, 4 Apr 2001 22:08:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from math.ohio-state.edu (math.ohio-state.edu [128.146.111.30]) by mathserv.math.ohio-state.edu (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id f3528ne21195; Wed, 4 Apr 2001 22:08:49 -0400 Received: from localhost (ccunning@localhost) by math.ohio-state.edu (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f3528nO04066; Wed, 4 Apr 2001 22:08:49 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2001 22:08:49 -0400 (EDT) From: Chad Cunningham To: David cc: Subject: Re: Netatalk can work with OS X final - the old versions In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII This *almost* works for me... It connects fine and I can copy files around, but if I try and copy a file to it I get an error that says "The operation cannot be completed because one or more required items could not be found (Error code -43)" It copies ok, but type and creator info isn't working... On Wed, 4 Apr 2001, David wrote: > All interested: > > I've used a few different old versions and they all seem to work. > Specifically I am using "netatalk-1.4b2+asun2.1.4-0.i386.rpm" which > seemed to be the newest version I could find that actually worked. I > used RPMfind.net to locate it. You may know about these old > versions, they are missing some fairly useful features such as DHX > authentication. To get two-way encrypted passwords, you have to have > a .passwd file in each user's home directory that is chmod 0700 and > owned by the user. > > David Shaub > -- Chad Cunningham ccunning@math.ohio-state.edu "Well, once again my friend, we find that science is a two-headed beast. One head is nice, it gives us aspirin and other modern conveniences,...but the other head of science is bad! Oh beware the other head of science, Arthur, it bites!" From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Thu Apr 5 04:05:51 2001 Return-Path: Received: from funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.27]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id EAA27315 for ; Thu, 5 Apr 2001 04:05:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id EAA08008 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Thu, 5 Apr 2001 04:05:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id EAA07981 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Thu, 5 Apr 2001 04:05:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from woj.com (brilliantmovies.com [64.69.72.50]) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id EAA07932 for ; Thu, 5 Apr 2001 04:05:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [10.0.1.35] (00-30-65-2e-60-6b.bconnected.net [209.53.45.201]) by woj.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA04363 for ; Thu, 5 Apr 2001 01:05:48 -0700 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/9.0.1.3108 Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 01:04:01 -0700 Subject: Re: Mac OS X and netatalk... From: Ian Wojtowicz To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200104032320.f33NKKn04492@vulcan.borgspace.alpha> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit > Does anybody know if Apple is interested in supporting anything other > the Mac OS X Server or Appleshare IP? It would be nice to know what > changes are going on in the client side, at least. We need to lobby Apple to become involved in Netatalk development. Just like the Linux version of QuickTime Streaming Server, Apple needs to promote Mac connectivity on other platforms. Use the Mac OS X feedback form to encourage Apple's involvement with Netatalk. http://www.apple.com/macosx/feedback/ ___________________________________________________________________________ ian wojtowicz http://woj.com From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Thu Apr 5 04:40:57 2001 Return-Path: Received: from easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.26]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id EAA27939 for ; Thu, 5 Apr 2001 04:40:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id EAA17918 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Thu, 5 Apr 2001 04:40:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id EAA17897 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Thu, 5 Apr 2001 04:40:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from woj.com (brilliantmovies.com [64.69.72.50]) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id EAA17846 for ; Thu, 5 Apr 2001 04:40:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [10.0.1.35] (00-30-65-2e-60-6b.bconnected.net [209.53.45.201]) by woj.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA04497 for ; Thu, 5 Apr 2001 01:40:54 -0700 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/9.0.1.3108 Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 01:39:07 -0700 Subject: Folder Alias Problem From: Ian Wojtowicz To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200104032320.f33NKKn04492@vulcan.borgspace.alpha> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit I've noticed that using Mac OS alias files that point to netatalk folders can produce very unreliable results (the wrong folder is opened). Has anyone else experienced this? Any ideas for fixes? ___________________________________________________________________________ ian wojtowicz http://woj.com From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Thu Apr 5 07:16:57 2001 Return-Path: Received: from funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.27]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id HAA00659 for ; Thu, 5 Apr 2001 07:16:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id HAA24231 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Thu, 5 Apr 2001 07:16:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id HAA24203 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Thu, 5 Apr 2001 07:16:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailout01.sul.t-online.com (mailout01.sul.t-online.com [194.25.134.80]) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id HAA24140 for ; Thu, 5 Apr 2001 07:16:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fwd02.aul.t-online.de by mailout01.sul.t-online.com with smtp id 14l7l0-0004kH-04; Thu, 05 Apr 2001 13:16:54 +0200 Received: from [192.168.0.33] (07031811601-0001@[217.2.89.237]) by fmrl02.sul.t-online.com with esmtp id 14l7kv-22sQ5oC; Thu, 5 Apr 2001 13:16:49 +0200 Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 12:33:57 +0200 To: Netatalk-Admins@umich.edu From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?J=FCrgen?= Weltzer Subject: Re: Folder Alias Problem Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" ; format="flowed" X-Sender: 07031811601-0001@t-dialin.net Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu id HAA00659 >I've noticed that using Mac OS alias files that point to netatalk folders >can produce very unreliable results (the wrong folder is opened). Has anyone >else experienced this? Any ideas for fixes? No problems with 1.4.pre39 and OS 8.6 or higher -- Mit freundlichen Grüßen Jürgen Weltzer - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Werbeagentur Weltzer Max-Eyth-Straße 8 71065 Sindelfingen Tel. +49 (0) 70.31.81.32.31 Fax +49 (0) 70.31.81.16.01 http://www.w-ww.de/ - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - I never wanted to be average, because when you are average you are just as far from the top as you are from the bottom. (Stan Cottrell) From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Thu Apr 5 08:41:27 2001 Return-Path: Received: from easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.26]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id IAA02082 for ; Thu, 5 Apr 2001 08:41:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id IAA13882 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Thu, 5 Apr 2001 08:41:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id IAA13868 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Thu, 5 Apr 2001 08:41:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.jamesltaylor.com (mail.jamesltaylor.com [205.232.131.2]) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id IAA13812 for ; Thu, 5 Apr 2001 08:41:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [205.232.131.4] (CAD.jamesltaylor.com [205.232.131.4]) by mail.jamesltaylor.com (8.9.3/8.8.7) with ESMTP id JAA20106; Thu, 5 Apr 2001 09:35:22 -0400 User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 08:40:34 -0500 Subject: Re: Netatalk can work with OS X final - the old versions From: Vic Landi To: David , Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit I too use an older version that works OK... netatalk-1.4b2+asun2.1.4-7.i386.rpm > From: David > Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2001 15:51:51 -0400 > To: netatalk-admins@umich.edu > Subject: Netatalk can work with OS X final - the old versions > Resent-From: netatalk-admins@umich.edu > Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2001 15:58:19 -0400 (EDT) > > All interested: > > I've used a few different old versions and they all seem to work. > Specifically I am using "netatalk-1.4b2+asun2.1.4-0.i386.rpm" which > seemed to be the newest version I could find that actually worked. I > used RPMfind.net to locate it. You may know about these old > versions, they are missing some fairly useful features such as DHX > authentication. To get two-way encrypted passwords, you have to have > a .passwd file in each user's home directory that is chmod 0700 and > owned by the user. > > David Shaub From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Thu Apr 5 08:45:28 2001 Return-Path: Received: from easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.26]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id IAA02236 for ; Thu, 5 Apr 2001 08:45:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id IAA20298 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Thu, 5 Apr 2001 08:45:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id IAA20266 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Thu, 5 Apr 2001 08:45:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.jamesltaylor.com (mail.jamesltaylor.com [205.232.131.2]) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id IAA20172 for ; Thu, 5 Apr 2001 08:45:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [205.232.131.4] (CAD.jamesltaylor.com [205.232.131.4]) by mail.jamesltaylor.com (8.9.3/8.8.7) with ESMTP id JAA20125 for ; Thu, 5 Apr 2001 09:39:32 -0400 User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 08:44:45 -0500 Subject: Re: Mac OS X and netatalk... From: Vic Landi To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Also, seeing as Apple has failed to include any compatability with non-IP appletalk in the current version of OSX, it may become beneficial to get netatalk running on OSX. Vic Landi > From: Ian Wojtowicz > Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 01:04:01 -0700 > To: > Subject: Re: Mac OS X and netatalk... > Resent-From: netatalk-admins@umich.edu > Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 04:14:20 -0400 (EDT) > >> Does anybody know if Apple is interested in supporting anything other >> the Mac OS X Server or Appleshare IP? It would be nice to know what >> changes are going on in the client side, at least. > > We need to lobby Apple to become involved in Netatalk development. Just like > the Linux version of QuickTime Streaming Server, Apple needs to promote Mac > connectivity on other platforms. > > Use the Mac OS X feedback form to encourage Apple's involvement with > Netatalk. > > http://www.apple.com/macosx/feedback/ > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > ian wojtowicz http://woj.com From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Thu Apr 5 09:49:58 2001 Return-Path: Received: from funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.27]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id JAA03637 for ; Thu, 5 Apr 2001 09:49:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id JAA28645 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Thu, 5 Apr 2001 09:49:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id JAA28607 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Thu, 5 Apr 2001 09:49:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mathserv.math.ohio-state.edu (mathserv.math.ohio-state.edu [128.146.111.31]) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id JAA24983 for ; Thu, 5 Apr 2001 09:49:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from math.ohio-state.edu (IDENT:postfix@hooloovoo.math.ohio-state.edu [128.146.111.37]) by mathserv.math.ohio-state.edu (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id f35Dlre15862; Thu, 5 Apr 2001 09:47:53 -0400 Received: by math.ohio-state.edu (Postfix, from userid 2405) id EC080B9E5; Thu, 5 Apr 2001 09:47:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by math.ohio-state.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id E496CB6F9; Thu, 5 Apr 2001 09:47:52 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 09:47:52 -0400 (EDT) From: Chad Cunningham To: Vic Landi Cc: Subject: Re: Mac OS X and netatalk... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I seem to remember someone having gotten it running on OSX Server at one time, but I think it was IP only. I would assume if OSX had kernel support for appletalk, then the finder would support it. I could be wrong, but... If not, someone would have to hack together kernel support, which might prove to be a bit of a challenge... On Thu, 5 Apr 2001, Vic Landi wrote: > Also, seeing as Apple has failed to include any compatability with non-IP > appletalk in the current version of OSX, it may become beneficial to get > netatalk running on OSX. -- Chad Cunningham ccunning@math.ohio-state.edu "Well, once again my friend, we find that science is a two-headed beast. One head is nice, it gives us aspirin and other modern conveniences,...but the other head of science is bad! Oh beware the other head of science, Arthur, it bites!" From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Thu Apr 5 16:54:24 2001 Return-Path: Received: from easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.26]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id QAA15218 for ; Thu, 5 Apr 2001 16:54:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id QAA25773 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Thu, 5 Apr 2001 16:54:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id QAA25749 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Thu, 5 Apr 2001 16:54:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail-out2.apple.com (mail-out2.apple.com [17.254.0.51]) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id QAA25622 for ; Thu, 5 Apr 2001 16:54:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from apple.com (A17-129-100-225.apple.com [17.129.100.225]) by mail-out2.apple.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA09012 for ; Thu, 5 Apr 2001 13:54:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from scv2.apple.com (scv2.apple.com) by apple.com (Content Technologies SMTPRS 4.2.1) with ESMTP id ; Thu, 5 Apr 2001 13:54:13 -0700 Received: from kingshammer (kingshammer.apple.com [17.221.40.220]) by scv2.apple.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA13079; Thu, 5 Apr 2001 13:54:12 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200104052054.NAA13079@scv2.apple.com> Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 13:53:58 -0700 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v400) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.400) Subject: Re: Mac OS X and netatalk... Cc: Leland Wallace , "'QUIGLEY,JASON (HP-Spain,ex1) '" , "'Lorenzo Perone '" , "'Netatalk-Admins@umich.edu '" To: "Temple, Matthew H." From: Leland Wallace In-Reply-To: <8E741FCD9606D411AD1B00508B64502903DF22@phsexch16.mgh.harvard.edu> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Folks, No need to be cynical, Apple has been and will keep helping the netatalk project. I and my engineers have been in communication with Adrian, and other folks from the sourceforge effort. I have had no directives from my management to the contrary. At least one of the problems with copying from the Mac OS X client is related to the behavior of the CloseFork call. The other is with advertising a 4Gig (maxint) buffer size in the options negotiation (we fixed our end for GM). One thing that you can be sure of, the Mac OS X client is a complete rewrite and as such the patterns of calls will be different. Hope this helps Leland Wallace AppleShare Client Lead +----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Leland Wallace Working in AppleShare Engineering randall@apple.com but not speaking for Apple Computer Inc. http://www2.inow.com/~randall +----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- On Tuesday, April 3, 2001, at 06:52 PM, Temple, Matthew H. wrote: > All, > > Once upon a time in a land far away, Apple and Digital Equipment > actually > worked together to port a genuine appletalk stack for VMS/Ultix/Dec > Unix. I > think > Sun was in on this too. > Unfortunately, after that product became Pacer software it was bought > by a > cannibal company and later destroyed. CAP and Netatalk have done > quite well > up to this point, but a little help/cooperation with/from Apple would > be handy. > I suppose that since they've got their own Unix product right now, they > probably won't be pushing hard to insinuate themselve into the netatalk > world. > From their unwillingness to port to Intel, etc., you see how they > studiously > avoid having a larger market share unless it just can't be avoided. > > mht > > -----Original Message----- > From: QUIGLEY,JASON (HP-Spain,ex1) > To: Lorenzo Perone > Cc: Netatalk-Admins@umich.edu > Sent: 4/3/01 7:23 PM > Subject: Re: Mac OS X and netatalk... > > Hi Lorenzo! > > A little late perhaps, I have been rebuilding my work system and mail > archives (Beta 2 trashed the hard disk type problems!!). > > Anyway, the option you should be trying is: -DUSE_FLOCK_LOCKS > > I tried this for myself but didn't get much joy. It's been mentioned > that it's the client's fault or the server's fault but I've got my test > system running with netatalk-1.4b2+asun2.1.3_1 - just barely. I'm > getting the usual permissions crap with directories. Compiling the > asun2.1.4 versions is broken under FreeBSD. The pre series on source > forge is broken (compiles okay) with 10 - unexpected shutdowns. I'm > going to try and run 2 sets of servers - the pre series for 9- machines > and the one that barely works for 10+ machines binding to different > addresses to see if this is a solution. > > I think the general impression that I get is that nobody really has a > clue what's at fault and as the jocks on source forge don't really care > too much about anything other Linux, those of us who like to run stable > setups are in for a long wait for a resolution. > > Does anybody know if Apple is interested in supporting anything other > the Mac OS X Server or Appleshare IP? It would be nice to know what > changes are going on in the client side, at least. > > Sorry if I sound pissed off, but I have tried to compile, or have > compiled (into the wee hours) every version of netatalk that I could get > > my hands on and every one has a different set of problems. I think the > frustration is starting to get to me!! > > Cheers, > Jason. > From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Thu Apr 5 18:52:49 2001 Return-Path: Received: from easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.26]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id SAA19549 for ; Thu, 5 Apr 2001 18:52:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id SAA06535 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Thu, 5 Apr 2001 18:52:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id SAA06507 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Thu, 5 Apr 2001 18:52:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from local (customer-host-145.yellowspace.net [213.183.5.145] (may be forged)) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with SMTP id SAA06463 for ; Thu, 5 Apr 2001 18:52:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [213.183.5.146] ([213.183.5.146] verified) by local (Stalker SMTP Server 1.7) with ESMTP id S.0000014956 for ; Fri, 06 Apr 2001 00:55:03 +0200 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: lopez.on.the.lists@mail.yellowspace.net (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <200104032320.f33NKKn04492@vulcan.borgspace.alpha> References: <200104032320.f33NKKn04492@vulcan.borgspace.alpha> Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2001 00:52:45 +0200 To: Netatalk-Admins@umich.edu From: Lorenzo Perone Subject: Re: Mac OS X and netatalk - (did you know... the chooser?) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi all, Did you know that it is possible to mount volumes over the _Classic Chooser_ under OS X??? I mounted """succesfully""" netatalk shares running on SuSE Linux / Intel / 6.4 / netatalk-1.5pre3 then mounted volumes out of SuSE Linux / Intel / 6.3 / netatalk-1.4.99-0.20001108 and guess what, they were appearing correctly in the OS X finder! Playing MP3s from the share on the SuSE Linux / Intel / 6.4 / netatalk-1.5pre3 box worked fine, but trying to copy ended in a -47 error. When trying to copy some files from the SuSE Linux / Intel / 6.3 / netatalk-1.4.99-0.20001108 box, I got the kernel to panic: panic(cpu 8): lockngr: locking against myself backtrace: 0x0008c2f4 ..... (and more addresses) .... kernel modules in backtrace: afpsf_fs(155)@0x8ec7000 Debugger(panic) Waiting for remote debugger connection. Options.... Type ----------------- continue.... “c “ reboot .... “r“ still have to try the -DUSE FLOCK LOCKS (tried -DFLOCKS), but thought this info could be interesting... maybe someone else among you is luckier, and can work in the mean time mounting the shares over Classic chooser (!”!). Huh. I'll try my old mounting AppleScripts - who knows what's gonna happen? Maybe my OSX will start to fly... ;-! Lorenzo From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Thu Apr 5 21:34:04 2001 Return-Path: Received: from kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.25]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id VAA23515 for ; Thu, 5 Apr 2001 21:34:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id VAA15054 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Thu, 5 Apr 2001 21:34:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id VAA15037 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Thu, 5 Apr 2001 21:33:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from local (customer-host-145.yellowspace.net [213.183.5.145] (may be forged)) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with SMTP id VAA14933 for ; Thu, 5 Apr 2001 21:33:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [213.183.5.146] ([213.183.5.146] verified) by local (Stalker SMTP Server 1.7) with ESMTP id S.0000014970 for ; Fri, 06 Apr 2001 03:36:13 +0200 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: lopez.on.the.lists@mail.yellowspace.net (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <200104032320.f33NKKn04492@vulcan.borgspace.alpha> References: <200104032320.f33NKKn04492@vulcan.borgspace.alpha> Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2001 03:33:55 +0200 To: Netatalk-Admins@umich.edu From: Lorenzo Perone Subject: Re: Mac OS X and netatalk... Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hi! At 1:23 Uhr +0200 04.04.2001, QUIGLEY,JASON (HP-Spain,ex1 wrote: > >Anyway, the option you should be trying is: -DUSE_FLOCK_LOCKS I just tried this one. Now I get to connect, but password verification fails with OSX as well as with OS9. Sounds like an old problem I had at the beginning with SuSE 6.x, that is, no shadow support? But I don't know where to adjust this in asun's 2.1.4 pre37 (no configure)... any hint for this one? ... >I tried this for myself but didn't get much joy. It's been mentioned that it's the client's fault or the server's fault but I've got my test system running with netatalk-1.4b2+asun2.1.3_1 - just barely. I'm getting the usual permissions crap with directories. Compiling the asun2.1.4 versions is broken under FreeBSD. The pre series on source forge is broken (compiles okay) with 10 - unexpected shutdowns. I'm going to try and run 2 sets of servers - the pre series for 9- machines and the one that barely works for 10+ machines binding to different addresses to see if this is a solution. > >I think the general impression that I get is that nobody really has a clue what's at fault and as the jocks on source forge don't really care too much about anything other Linux, those of us who like to run stable setups are in for a long wait for a resolution. Yes, this is annoying: on one hand it's true that it's free, so one should not complain, one should go DIY. We can just hope those who are working on it now will fix all the bugs.. or maybe _repackage_ the software in a way that works! I mean, if not a clean rpm, at least clean configuration and makefiles, with all docs that are needed. I have also the impression that there must be some compiles that fail or don't fail depending which netatalk-devel you have on your system. That is, maybe using an older one (but not too old) could make a newer version work on a particular system.... just an assumption.... but I've got quite enough of making assumptions on netatalk ;-( >Does anybody know if Apple is interested in supporting anything other the Mac OS X Server or Appleshare IP? It would be nice to know what changes are going on in the client side, at least. >Sorry if I sound pissed off, but I have tried to compile, or have compiled (into the wee hours) every version of netatalk that I could get my hands on and every one has a different set of problems. I think the frustration is starting to get to me!! .... it's very near here, too.... fortunately under OS9.1 I stil can see al my servers... netatalk is the only thing holding me back from working with OSX. I need those shares, and I need them from the Linux box.... :..-( Lorenzo > >Cheers, >Jason. > >On Saturday, March 31, 2001, at 10:47 am, Lorenzo Perone wrote: > >>Hi fellow neta-admins, >> >>I've been 'going down deep' into the OSX/netatalk adventure ;-) >> >>I've tried the -DFLOCKS (adding it to the DEFS line - correct?) thing and pre-asun2.1.4-38b_test. >>No success, I get -43 and -37 errors _everywhere_ (uploading and downloading) - looks like an .AppleDouble problem? (thought they were related to resources, those errors). >>But the same dirs used to work perfectly with pre3m (I'll check thisone out, anyway!). >> >>With pre-asun2.1.4-37b it got better: >>Mounts OK, downloads and gives the -43 error only on some files. >>But then, after throwing one copied folder to the trash, when trying to empty it, I get a message with 'not enough privileges to perform operation'. >>Weird enough: I got into the terminal, su-rooted (with an enabled root account, via NetInfoManager). >>This is what I got when I tried to rm the stuff in /Users/lopez/.Trash: >> >>override rwx------ lopez/staff for 6100's/Preferences/UMAX/VistaScan/Viewer Files/BRI4.JPG? y >>rm: 6100's/Preferences/UMAX/VistaScan/Viewer Files/BRI4.JPG: Operation not permitted >> >>I tried to chmod 660 all the stuff in there: >> >>root# chmod -R 660 * >>chmod: 6100's//Preferences/UMAX/VistaScan/Viewer Files/Y9.JPG: Operation not permitted >>sort of weird! How can I get rid of that stuff now?? >> >>it could well be that it's the names of that folder I tried with, which contain 'Preferences' and other strange mac chars. Anyway, an ls -la in the undeletable folder items gives: >> >>-rwx------ 1 lopez staff 6988 May 27 1998 Y5_4.JPG >>-rwx------ 1 lopez staff 6940 May 27 1998 Y5_5.JPG >>.... >> >>After testing with other folders, things looked much better, but I still get >>- unsufficient privileges >>- an item with the name 'Icon' already exists >>- some other errors >> >>but with other dirs I did not have the trashing-permission problem........ >> >>....at least, I got to mount the volumes on Mac OS X 10.0.0, which I never got to work with netatalk 1.4.99 and sourceforge-successors. >>I'd be glad if someone has a solution...... anyway, I'm sure as soon as rufustfirefly or asun or anybody else involved will get to reproduce the problems, they'll be solved. >>Damned...... I'd really like to start using OSX now, despite it being some kind of 'Beta 2'. >>I tried hard, with all versions of netatalk I could find. I'm not a C programmer, just a web developer, and sysadmin. >>I compiled mostly on LinuxPPC (cause there I have our most important files). >> >> >>:-( >> >> >> >>Allright, now I'll reboot into macos9, and since it worked so well with OS9, switch back to 1.5pre3........ >> >>Lorenzo >> >>p.s. >> >>here's a list of my experiments....... if it can be useful to anybody, anyway. I mean, it can be a reference only to those that see matching experiences in at least 2 cases ;) >> >>=== 1.4b2+asun2.1.3: === >> >>Same experience with the following OSes: >> >>SuSE Linux 6.3/Intel: >>SuSE Linux 7.0/Intel >>SuSE Linux 7.0/PPC >>LinuxPPC 2000 Q4 >> >>- distri standard; >>- works with OS9, slow. resource, ownership, ID related problems on OS9; >>- OSX client connects and mounts, but plenty of problems when opening / editing files; >> >>=== netatalk-pre-asun2.1.4-38b_test === >> >>LinuxPPC 2000 Q4 >> >>- works with OS9, FAST. seems OK on OS9, but I'd have to make more tests, no time now. >>- OSX client connects and mounts, but -43 and -37 errors EVERYWHERE, also with files without resources or type/creators; >> >>=== netatalk-pre-asun2.1.4-37b=== >> >>LinuxPPC 2000 Q4 >> >>- OS9 not tested yet >>- OSX client connects and mounts, but -43 and -37 errors when copying, but only on some files. >>- When putting things of SOME folders to the trash (looks like folder name problems!), can't empty trash 'not enough privileges' >>- otherwise _very fast_ on OSX, also on many folders and files! >> >>=== netatalk-1.4.99-0.20001108 === >> >>SuSE Linux 6.3/Intel: >>- works with OS9; fast. alias problems; >>- OSX clients get disconnected immediately after share choice; >> >>LinuxPPC 2000 Q4: >>- compiled but didn't work: disconnect upon file share choice with OS9. >> >> >>=== netatalk-1.5pre3 === >> >>SuSE Linux 6.3/Intel: >>- works with OS9; fast. folder alias problems; >>- OSX clients get disconnected immediately after share choice; slow sherlock name searches; >>- best choice for me now (production). >> >>SuSE Linux 7.0/Intel >>- works with OS9; fast. folder alias problems; >>- OSX clients get disconnected immediately after share choice; slow sherlock name searches; >>- best choice for me now (production). >> >>LinuxPPC 2000 Q4 >>- configure-related problems (setpgrp...), 'commented' out to get ahead. >>- works with OS9; fast. folder alias problems; extremely slow sherlock name searches; >>- OSX clients get disconnected immediately after share choice; >>- best choice for me now (production). >> >>=== netatalk-1.5pre4 === >> >>LinuxPPC 2000 Q4 >>- compiled but didn't work: disconnect upon file share choice with OS9 (same problem as with OSX). >> >>SuSE Linux 6.3/Intel: >>- problems compiling >> >>=== netatalk-1.5pre5 === >> >>LinuxPPC 2000 Q4 >>- configure-related problems (can not check if setpgrp is cross compiling...), 'commented' out some configure lines to get ahead. >>- suspicious messages when making >>- install problems: codepages not found? had to get them from an older /etc/atalk file >>- after a few hours of work, when i came back and netatalk had crashed. >>- switched back to pre3 >> >>..... >> >>:-| >> >>p.p.s. >> >>I like thisone quite a bit. It' s just about almost everything: >> >>>======================================================== >>> >>>"Always ask the question, never assume the answer." >>> Marcus Radich 1999 >>> >>>======================================================== >> >>assuming is a bad habit...... >>difficult to give up, in some cases, too...... >>(it always gives the illusion to be effective - especially in programming issues) >> >>;-) >> >> >>Lorenzo >> >> >> >>At 12:09 Uhr +1200 29.03.2001, Marcus Radich wrote: >>>OK, I originally found that asun2.1.3 was wicked for serving quark dox, but when I updated to 214, I started having file locking problems with quark (typical). Also seems to happen with codewarrior(noted by a friend). >>>So after reading through asun's notes, I found a section which refers to the "old style" of byte locking. Adding the DEF= line and recompiling works perfectly. I have over 20 servers in production proving that! >>> >>>Go to: ftp://ftp.cobaltnet.com/pub/users/asun/testing/ if you need it. >>> >>>I'm currently running MacOS X 4L5 (10.0.1), which BTW is quite a bit snappier than 4K78 (10.0.0), and connecting to these servers shows no issues. Confirmed and tested! >>> >>>(Also, for those "Mac OS X is too slow" people. Get 10.0.1 when it comes out (soon), and get Plus for X. It allows you to change Genie to scale and other less-CPU-intensive things. Look on versiontracker for a link to this) >>> >>>I still use 1.4b2+asun214-37b because it works. I think I will start experimenting with 1.5 soon. >>> >>>mrad01 >>> >>> >>>At 12:08 PM -0500 28/3/2001, Steven Karel wrote: >>>>1. Just wanted to concur with Marcus that netatalk-1.4b2+asun2.1.4-pre37b >>>>works fine with the appleshare client in OS X 10.0,.whereas the public >>>>beta failed horribly . Not all versions of netatalk are that well behaved, >>>>however. I haven't tested exhaustively, but I do know that 37b works on at >>>>least 4 of our servers (RH 6.2/RH 7.0). Also, the old version 1.4b2-2.1.3 >>>>seems to work as well. >>>> >>>>2. Setting -DUSE_FLOCK_LOCKS doesn't seem to be necessary for this >>>>purpose, although it may help with file locking for other reasons. Marcus, >>>>if you could be so kind, can you explain for us again what problems it >>>>solves, and where exactly you recommend setting it? (I added >>>>-DUSE_FLOCK_LOCKS in the sys/linux/Makefile DEFS= line) >>>> >>>>README.ASUN says: >>>> >>>> >>>> byte locks should now work. if you want to enable the old way >>>> of doing things, add -DUSE_FLOCK_LOCKS. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>thanks, >>>> >>>>stevne >>>> >>>>On Wed, 28 >>>>Mar 2001, Marcus Radich wrote: >>>> >>>>> >>>>>BTW, netatalk 1.4b2+asun 214 -37b works very well with Mac OS X as >>>>>long as you add the DEFS= -DFLOCKS thingy to the sys/Linux/Makefile >>>>>before you compile. I haven't tried 1.5. You can only connect via IP >>>>>(great!) and transferring files large and small has worked for me >>>>>since 4K46 >>>>> >>>>>mrad01 >>>>> >>> >>> >>> >>>-- >>>======================================================== >>> >>>"Always ask the question, never assume the answer." >>> Marcus Radich 1999 >>> >>>======================================================== From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Thu Apr 5 21:38:42 2001 Return-Path: Received: from easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.26]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id VAA23636 for ; Thu, 5 Apr 2001 21:38:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id VAA25041 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Thu, 5 Apr 2001 21:38:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id VAA25014 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Thu, 5 Apr 2001 21:38:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mx.stanford-jc.or.jp (sirius.stanford-jc.or.jp [210.137.138.5]) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id VAA24958 for ; Thu, 5 Apr 2001 21:38:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pdc ([210.137.138.193]) by mx.stanford-jc.or.jp (8.9.3/3.7W) with SMTP id KAA30040 for ; Fri, 6 Apr 2001 10:38:38 +0900 Message-ID: <002501c0be3a$4d97aba0$c18a89d2@wad.stanfordjc.or.jp> From: "Takashi Nakamura" To: Subject: unsubscribe Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2001 10:38:38 +0900 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-2022-jp" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Thu Apr 5 23:57:55 2001 Return-Path: Received: from kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.25]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id XAA27451 for ; Thu, 5 Apr 2001 23:57:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id XAA25094 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Thu, 5 Apr 2001 23:57:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id XAA25061 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Thu, 5 Apr 2001 23:57:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from potsdam.edu (potsdam.edu [137.143.110.101]) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with SMTP id XAA25029 for ; Thu, 5 Apr 2001 23:57:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 13287 invoked by alias); 6 Apr 2001 03:58:01 -0000 Received: (qmail 13282 invoked by uid 0); 6 Apr 2001 03:58:01 -0000 Received: from comp10574.potsdam.edu (137.143.111.133) by potsdam.edu with SMTP; 6 Apr 2001 03:58:01 -0000 Subject: Re: Mac OS X and netatalk... From: Matthew Keller To: Netatalk-Admins@umich.edu Cc: netatalk-devel@lists.sourceforge.net In-Reply-To: References: <200104032320.f33NKKn04492@vulcan.borgspace.alpha> Content-Type: text/plain X-Mailer: Evolution/0.10+cvs.2001.04.05.08.06 (Preview Release) Date: 05 Apr 2001 23:57:51 -0400 Message-Id: <986529471.1737.2.camel@comp10574.potsdam.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 At 1:23 Uhr +0200 04.04.2001, QUIGLEY,JASON (HP-Spain,ex1 wrote: > I think the general impression that I get is that nobody really has a > clue what's at fault and as the jocks on source forge don't really > care too much about anything other Linux, those of us who like to > run stable setups are in for a long wait for a resolution. Mr Quigley, Perhaps you'd like to volunteer to help submit bugfixes. I don't see any contributions by you at all, yet you have the gall to accuse the "jocks on sourceforge" of anything? The "jocks on sourceforge" use whichever machines they have and know. We've got people using Solaris, FreeBSD, and Linux on 4 architectures that I know of working on the code- Some people are working on MacOSX, HPUX and other platforms too. Instead of contributing to the FUD and poo hooing those who are working to make this product better, perhaps you can contribute. Don't give me any of this "I've submitted patches but they all get rejected" like many of your ilk do - Because I can verify that your name has not come up on a single line of submitted code. I hate politics. More than hating politics I hate people who have platform zealousy issues. If you feel that whichever platform you're using is under-represented among the "jocks on sourceforge", perhaps you could bring yourself down to our/their level and contribute. Not a single "jock on sourceforge" has any grudge against any platform - Sure, we all have preferences - But to insinuate that we/they intentionally ignore or "code against" a certain platform is beyond ludicrous- Not too mention rude. Furthermore, perhaps you noticed a certain three (3) letters in the names of the releases that the "jocks on sourceforge" have made. "PRE". "PRE" means "THIS FUCKING SHIT ISN'T SUPPOSED TO WORK YET BECAUSE WE'RE STILL DEVELOPING IT SO IF YOU DON'T HAVE ANYTHING ***CONSTRUCTIVE*** TO SAY OR CODE TO CONTRIBUTE BACK THE FUCK OFF". *straightening jacket* The code coming out of the **PRE** 1.5 tree is considered alpha quality at best - Somedays a good Beta quality. We all have wishlists. We all would like Netatalk to be *the* AppleShare server on ALL *IXish machines. We would like to have a lot of success, meet 100% of peoples feature requests, and in general have a fun time doing it - And it's getting there. Slowly. So, Mr. Quigley, although your views and opinions are welcome - I'll be the last person to suppress that - I think you should get your facts in line before making inflammatory statements about the people who are trying to make a product you *CONSUME* as good as it can be- People, mind you, who aren't getting paid for this. People who do it so that they can actually CONTRIBUTE to something, instead of COMPLAINING about it. Inflammatory, derogatory statements like yours only hurts production as it disheartens those who work hard on this project. If you aren't a coder - That's cool - Can you write docs? Maybe English isn't your first language so you could translate them into other languages? Perhaps you could use a debugger and send on debugging symbols to make the bug-hunters lives a little easier? Hell, we could all probably use bigger harddrives, more RAM, a couple days of "pay" to take time off from our busy lives and spend the day coding and bug-hunting, maybe an OS X server to give us something to test on. There's a LOT of ways you can help- And you've already found one grevious way to hurt. -- Matthew Keller Enterprise System Analyst Computing & Technology Services Information Services Division State University of NY at Potsdam http://mattwork.potsdam.edu/ From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Fri Apr 6 04:02:30 2001 Return-Path: Received: from easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.26]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id EAA03161 for ; Fri, 6 Apr 2001 04:02:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id EAA24853 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Fri, 6 Apr 2001 04:02:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id EAA24824 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Fri, 6 Apr 2001 04:02:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.euc.de (mail.euc.de [195.63.193.18]) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id EAA24772 for ; Fri, 6 Apr 2001 04:02:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from euc.de (euc-punktum.euc.de [195.63.193.116]) by mail.euc.de (8.9.3/8.9.3/SuSE Linux 8.9.3-0.1) with ESMTP id JAA11276; Fri, 6 Apr 2001 09:58:04 +0200 Message-ID: <3ACD770D.35B52729@euc.de> Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2001 09:58:07 +0200 From: Mac Conin Organization: EUC Online Service GmbH X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Matthew Keller CC: Netatalk-Admins@umich.edu, netatalk-devel@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: Mac OS X and netatalk... References: <200104032320.f33NKKn04492@vulcan.borgspace.alpha> <986529471.1737.2.camel@comp10574.potsdam.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu id EAA03161 Okeydokey, gimme some manuals, I'll try my best translating it to german Matthew Keller wrote: > > At 1:23 Uhr +0200 04.04.2001, QUIGLEY,JASON (HP-Spain,ex1 wrote: ... > as it disheartens those who work hard on this project. If you aren't a > coder - That's cool - Can you write docs? Maybe English isn't your first > language so you could translate them into other languages? ... > -- > > Matthew Keller > Enterprise System Analyst > Computing & Technology Services > Information Services Division > State University of NY at Potsdam > > http://mattwork.potsdam.edu/ -- --schnipp-- mit freundlichen grüssen ----------------------------------------------------------- Mac Conin EUC Online Service GmbH Geschäftsführer Taubengasse 9 mconin@euc.de D 50676 Koeln http://www.euc.de HRB Köln 32038 tel : +49-221-923 27 33 fax : +49-221-239 651 ----------------------------------------------------------- EUC sponsort Clean up Cologne - eine Iniative der IHK Köln, der Abfallwirtschaftsbetriebe Köln (AWB) und dem Grünflächenamt der Stadt Köln. http://www.clean-up-cologne.de From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Fri Apr 6 10:03:57 2001 Return-Path: Received: from kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.25]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id KAA12191 for ; Fri, 6 Apr 2001 10:03:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id KAA00241 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Fri, 6 Apr 2001 10:03:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id KAA00211 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Fri, 6 Apr 2001 10:03:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from potsdam.edu (potsdam.edu [137.143.110.101]) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with SMTP id KAA00135 for ; Fri, 6 Apr 2001 10:03:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 2556 invoked by alias); 6 Apr 2001 14:04:00 -0000 Received: (qmail 2550 invoked by uid 0); 6 Apr 2001 14:03:59 -0000 Received: from comp10574.potsdam.edu (137.143.111.133) by potsdam.edu with SMTP; 6 Apr 2001 14:03:59 -0000 Subject: [Jason Quigley ] Re: Mac OS X and netatalk... From: Matthew Keller To: Netatalk-Admins List , Netatalk-Devel List Content-Type: text/plain X-Mailer: Evolution/0.10+cvs.2001.04.05.08.06 (Preview Release) Date: 06 Apr 2001 10:03:50 -0400 Message-Id: <986565831.3196.1.camel@comp10574.potsdam.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 For those of you interested in a case study on immaturity. What's a "kill file"? Is that like one of those lists people make to sound big and tough and list off everyone they'd like to erase from the planet? *chuckle* Oh I'm on a lot of those- Not since I was in High School, however. -----Forwarded Message----- From: Jason Quigley To: Matthew Keller Subject: Re: Mac OS X and netatalk... What do you think "general impression that *I* get" means? When I talked about people not having a clue, I was commenting on the fact that sometimes the problem is on the server side, other times it's on the client side and with both sides changing so rapidly these days... Also, I wasn't only referring to the developers. I wholeheartedly admit that I don't have a clue what's going on either! From what I have seen, most of the "jocks" (which is used in a complementary form as one would with good pilots - you're a nerd, aren't you, which is why I guess you read it that way) do lean quite a bit towards Linux. I never suggested that any platform was ignored. When you use comments such as "many of your ilk" you are also casting aspersions. Listen to your own preaching. I understand what PRE means. There never has been a release version, though, so don't get uppity with me, especially since I don't see too many contributions from you either. You're in my kill file. Try and get a life you dweeb. Mr. Quigley (That's Sir to you) On Friday, April 6, 2001, at 05:57 am, Matthew Keller wrote: > At 1:23 Uhr +0200 04.04.2001, QUIGLEY,JASON (HP-Spain,ex1 wrote: >> I think the general impression that I get is that nobody really has a >> clue what's at fault and as the jocks on source forge don't really >> care too much about anything other Linux, those of us who like to >> run stable setups are in for a long wait for a resolution. > > Mr Quigley, > > Perhaps you'd like to volunteer to help submit bugfixes. I don't see any > contributions by you at all, yet you have the gall to accuse the "jocks > on sourceforge" of anything? The "jocks on sourceforge" use whichever > machines they have and know. We've got people using Solaris, FreeBSD, > and Linux on 4 architectures that I know of working on the code- Some > people are working on MacOSX, HPUX and other platforms too. Instead of > contributing to the FUD and poo hooing those who are working to make > this product better, perhaps you can contribute. Don't give me any of > this "I've submitted patches but they all get rejected" like many of > your ilk do - Because I can verify that your name has not come up on a > single line of submitted code. > > I hate politics. More than hating politics I hate people who have > platform zealousy issues. If you feel that whichever platform you're > using is under-represented among the "jocks on sourceforge", perhaps you > could bring yourself down to our/their level and contribute. Not a > single "jock on sourceforge" has any grudge against any platform - Sure, > we all have preferences - But to insinuate that we/they intentionally > ignore or "code against" a certain platform is beyond ludicrous- Not too > mention rude. > > Furthermore, perhaps you noticed a certain three (3) letters in the > names of the releases that the "jocks on sourceforge" have made. "PRE". > "PRE" means "THIS FUCKING SHIT ISN'T SUPPOSED TO WORK YET BECAUSE WE'RE > STILL DEVELOPING IT SO IF YOU DON'T HAVE ANYTHING ***CONSTRUCTIVE*** TO > SAY OR CODE TO CONTRIBUTE BACK THE FUCK OFF". *straightening jacket* The > code coming out of the **PRE** 1.5 tree is considered alpha quality at > best - Somedays a good Beta quality. > > We all have wishlists. We all would like Netatalk to be *the* AppleShare > server on ALL *IXish machines. We would like to have a lot of success, > meet 100% of peoples feature requests, and in general have a fun time > doing it - And it's getting there. Slowly. > > So, Mr. Quigley, although your views and opinions are welcome - I'll be > the last person to suppress that - I think you should get your facts in > line before making inflammatory statements about the people who are > trying to make a product you *CONSUME* as good as it can be- People, > mind you, who aren't getting paid for this. People who do it so that > they can actually CONTRIBUTE to something, instead of COMPLAINING about > it. Inflammatory, derogatory statements like yours only hurts production > as it disheartens those who work hard on this project. If you aren't a > coder - That's cool - Can you write docs? Maybe English isn't your first > language so you could translate them into other languages? Perhaps you > could use a debugger and send on debugging symbols to make the > bug-hunters lives a little easier? Hell, we could all probably use > bigger harddrives, more RAM, a couple days of "pay" to take time off > from our busy lives and spend the day coding and bug-hunting, maybe an > OS X server to give us something to test on. There's a LOT of ways you > can help- And you've already found one grevious way to hurt. > > -- > > Matthew Keller > Enterprise System Analyst > Computing & Technology Services > Information Services Division > State University of NY at Potsdam > > http://mattwork.potsdam.edu/ > -- Matthew Keller Enterprise System Analyst Computing & Technology Services Information Services Division State University of NY at Potsdam http://mattwork.potsdam.edu/ From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Fri Apr 6 10:26:46 2001 Return-Path: Received: from easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.26]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id KAA12908 for ; Fri, 6 Apr 2001 10:26:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id KAA02960 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Fri, 6 Apr 2001 10:26:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id KAA02935 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Fri, 6 Apr 2001 10:26:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from potsdam.edu (potsdam.edu [137.143.110.101]) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with SMTP id KAA02754 for ; Fri, 6 Apr 2001 10:26:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 9846 invoked by alias); 6 Apr 2001 14:26:44 -0000 Received: (qmail 9832 invoked by uid 0); 6 Apr 2001 14:26:43 -0000 Received: from comp10574.potsdam.edu (137.143.111.133) by potsdam.edu with SMTP; 6 Apr 2001 14:26:43 -0000 Subject: Re: Mac OS X and netatalk... From: Matthew Keller To: Mac Conin Cc: Netatalk-Admins@umich.edu, netatalk-devel@lists.sourceforge.net In-Reply-To: <3ACD770D.35B52729@euc.de> References: <200104032320.f33NKKn04492@vulcan.borgspace.alpha> <986529471.1737.2.camel@comp10574.potsdam.edu> <3ACD770D.35B52729@euc.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Mailer: Evolution/0.10+cvs.2001.04.05.08.06 (Preview Release) Date: 06 Apr 2001 10:26:34 -0400 Message-Id: <986567195.3195.5.camel@comp10574.potsdam.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 That's the spirit! You can get the distro-included docs off of CVS, if you're interested in those ( http://sourceforge.net/projects/netatalk/ ) - We're also using the SourceForge DocManager (URL below) to give a nice user-friendly feel to it. **EVERYONE** can contribute to that by asking/answering FAQ's, etc. SourceForge accounts are free, and you can email Jeff if you'd like inclusion. Currently there are English and Japanese versions of most of the docs - I'd love to see more languages. http://sourceforge.net/docman/?group_id=8642 Mac- Thanks for the offer, it's much appreciated! On 06 Apr 2001 09:58:07 +0200, Mac Conin wrote: > Okeydokey, > > > gimme some manuals, I'll try my best translating it to german > > > > Matthew Keller wrote: > > > > At 1:23 Uhr +0200 04.04.2001, QUIGLEY,JASON (HP-Spain,ex1 wrote: > ... > > as it disheartens those who work hard on this project. If you aren't a > > coder - That's cool - Can you write docs? Maybe English isn't your first > > language so you could translate them into other languages? > > ... > > > > > -- > > > > Matthew Keller > > Enterprise System Analyst > > Computing & Technology Services > > Information Services Division > > State University of NY at Potsdam > > > > http://mattwork.potsdam.edu/ > > -- > --schnipp-- > > mit freundlichen grüssen > > ----------------------------------------------------------- > Mac Conin EUC Online Service GmbH > Geschäftsführer Taubengasse 9 > mconin@euc.de D 50676 Koeln > http://www.euc.de HRB Köln 32038 > tel : +49-221-923 27 33 fax : +49-221-239 651 > ----------------------------------------------------------- > EUC sponsort Clean up Cologne - eine Iniative der IHK Köln, > der Abfallwirtschaftsbetriebe Köln (AWB) und dem > Grünflächenamt der Stadt Köln. http://www.clean-up-cologne.de > > -- Matthew Keller Enterprise System Analyst Computing & Technology Services Information Services Division State University of NY at Potsdam http://mattwork.potsdam.edu/ From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Fri Apr 6 10:39:11 2001 Return-Path: Received: from kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.25]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id KAA13349 for ; Fri, 6 Apr 2001 10:39:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id KAA16880 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Fri, 6 Apr 2001 10:39:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id KAA16864 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Fri, 6 Apr 2001 10:39:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from univrel.pr.uconn.edu (univrel.pr.uconn.edu [137.99.59.30]) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id KAA16823 for ; Fri, 6 Apr 2001 10:39:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from univrel.pr.uconn.edu (IDENT:root@test.pr.uconn.edu [137.99.59.90]) by univrel.pr.uconn.edu (8.11.2/linuxconf) with ESMTP id f36Ecun22752; Fri, 6 Apr 2001 10:38:56 -0400 Sender: root@univrel.pr.uconn.edu Message-ID: <3ACDD4FE.EAEB034A@univrel.pr.uconn.edu> Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2001 10:38:54 -0400 From: jeff X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.17-21mdksmp i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Matthew Keller , Jason Quigley CC: Netatalk-Admins List , Netatalk-Devel List Subject: Flames References: <986565831.3196.1.camel@comp10574.potsdam.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'm honestly not sure what just went on, because I have a feeling that I missed a few postings, due to upgrading my sendmail yesterday. I would like to state, for the record, that netatalk was not, and will not be, a Linux-centric application. I happen to package netatalk for Linux, as it is the platform that I have the most access to at work and at home. I believe I speak for the entire project when I say that any compiled versions are very welcome, and all efforts will be made to make sure that netatalk builds and runs on as many *BSD/*NIX platforms as possible. If there has been a lack of attention towards a certain problem that has been posted up on sourceforge, please bring it to either Matthew's attention or mine. You can email either of us without blasting the project to a mailing list, no matter how frustrating everything has been. I spent a good three weeks trying to iron out the DHX authentication problem, during which I managed to keep my anger off of the list. But just barely. :) I understand both sides of this argument (from what little I've read), and would ask the following: *) If you have a problem with something not being supported, either submit a patch for it, or email the development list about it. Someone should respond to you. If in a week or two no one has responded, mail either Matt or I. *) If there are platform issues, please make them known. I would like to see netatalk supporting all major *BSD/*NIX platforms by the 1.5 final release. I'd also like to take the time to explain that the pre-releases are released whenever I seem to think that development has produced something stable. I have been known to be very wrong about this, but I'm simply trying to provide something for the community to use and test in the time leading up to 1.5, which will hopefully be rock-solid. If anyone has any comments on this, feel free to email me. Thanks, jeff From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Fri Apr 6 11:42:40 2001 Return-Path: Received: from funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.27]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id LAA15136 for ; Fri, 6 Apr 2001 11:42:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id LAA11352 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Fri, 6 Apr 2001 11:42:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id LAA11342 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Fri, 6 Apr 2001 11:42:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay.mail.pipex.net (relay.mail.pipex.net [158.43.128.38]) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with SMTP id LAA11189 for ; Fri, 6 Apr 2001 11:42:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 1593 invoked from network); 6 Apr 2001 15:42:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO netpilotbr.broadley.hopkins.co.uk) (62.189.170.1) by relay.mail.pipex.net with SMTP; 6 Apr 2001 15:42:17 -0000 Received: from 194.159.148.247 (unknown [194.159.148.247]) by netpilotbr.broadley.hopkins.co.uk (Postfix) with ESMTP id D31F91A003 for ; Fri, 6 Apr 2001 16:40:12 +0100 (BST) Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2001 16:43:12 +0100 From: Rory Campbell-Lange Subject: Case senstivity To: netatalk-admins@umich.edu X-Priority: 3 Message-ID: <20010406164334-r01010600-5a7948e0@194.159.148.247> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; Charset=US-ASCII X-Mailer: Mailsmith 1.1.6 (Bluto) Sender: campbell-lange@mail.campbell-lange.net Hi With lots of help I've got netatalk running over tcp/ip really well. I've run into a problem where our Macintosh CAD programme has stored references to CAD filenames in lowercase while the actual file is in uppercase. These references DONT work with my version of netatalk, which I'm running from an installed module version (not one compiled into the kernel). I've come across some notes about case sensitivity, but don't know how to set this up. Presumably I can recompile the kernel? Thanks for any further help. Rory From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Fri Apr 6 12:13:02 2001 Return-Path: Received: from funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.27]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id MAA16932 for ; Fri, 6 Apr 2001 12:13:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id MAA28984 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Fri, 6 Apr 2001 12:12:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id MAA28946 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Fri, 6 Apr 2001 12:12:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from peterson.umci.com ([204.201.24.5]) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id MAA28844 for ; Fri, 6 Apr 2001 12:12:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: by peterson.umci.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Fri, 6 Apr 2001 09:13:06 -0700 Message-ID: From: Chris Bondelid To: netatalk-admins@umich.edu Subject: RE: Case senstivity Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2001 09:13:02 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" What version of netatalk are you running? Recompiling the kernel won't help you in this case. Only AppleTalk DDP is in the kernel. And that just lets your box speak AppleTalk but does nothing else as far as configuring your AppleShare services. I'm running 1.5pre5. In AppleVolumes.default, there's a "casefold" option that works great for me - "casefold:tolower" The options for casefolding are: # casefold options [syntax: casefold:option]: # tolower -> lowercases names in both directions # toupper -> uppercases names in both directions # xlatelower -> client sees lowercase, server sees uppercase # xlateupper -> client sees uppercase, server sees lowercase Chris SysAdmin University Mechanical From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Fri Apr 6 12:43:17 2001 Return-Path: Received: from kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.25]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id MAA17800 for ; Fri, 6 Apr 2001 12:43:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id MAA04466 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Fri, 6 Apr 2001 12:43:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id MAA04451 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Fri, 6 Apr 2001 12:43:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from max.hkust.se (max.hkust.se [194.18.100.146]) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id MAA04312 for ; Fri, 6 Apr 2001 12:43:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lodbroker.com (fw.assistera.se [213.80.14.162]) (authenticated) by max.hkust.se (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f36Gh4P04095; Fri, 6 Apr 2001 18:43:04 +0200 Sender: stone@max.hkust.se Message-ID: <3ACDF204.C6064231@lodbroker.com> Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2001 18:42:44 +0200 From: Magnus Stenman Organization: Lodbroker X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.17-14 i686) X-Accept-Language: en,sv MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Matthew Keller CC: Netatalk-Admins List , Netatalk-Devel List Subject: Re: [Jason Quigley ] Re: Mac OS X and netatalk... References: <986565831.3196.1.camel@comp10574.potsdam.edu> Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------AF8C1CBFDFB827A2BD8B7993" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------AF8C1CBFDFB827A2BD8B7993 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit It's the file which contains all the addresses of people whose mail gets sorted into the /dev/null mail folder automatically. A good way of getting into kill files is to crosspost off-topic messages... :-) (and answering them) /m Matthew Keller wrote: > > For those of you interested in a case study on immaturity. What's a > "kill file"? Is that like one of those lists people make to sound big > and tough and list off everyone they'd like to erase from the planet? > *chuckle* Oh I'm on a lot of those- Not since I was in High School, > however. > > -----Forwarded Message----- > From: Jason Quigley > To: Matthew Keller > Subject: Re: Mac OS X and netatalk... > > What do you think "general impression that *I* get" means? > > When I talked about people not having a clue, I was commenting on the > fact that sometimes the problem is on the server side, other times it's > on the client side and with both sides changing so rapidly these days... > Also, I wasn't only referring to the developers. I wholeheartedly admit > that I don't have a clue what's going on either! > > From what I have seen, most of the "jocks" (which is used in a > complementary form as one would with good pilots - you're a nerd, aren't > you, which is why I guess you read it that way) do lean quite a bit > towards Linux. I never suggested that any platform was ignored. > > When you use comments such as "many of your ilk" you are also casting > aspersions. Listen to your own preaching. > > I understand what PRE means. There never has been a release version, > though, so don't get uppity with me, especially since I don't see too > many contributions from you either. > > You're in my kill file. Try and get a life you dweeb. > > Mr. Quigley (That's Sir to you) > > On Friday, April 6, 2001, at 05:57 am, Matthew Keller wrote: > > > At 1:23 Uhr +0200 04.04.2001, QUIGLEY,JASON (HP-Spain,ex1 wrote: > >> I think the general impression that I get is that nobody really has a > >> clue what's at fault and as the jocks on source forge don't really > >> care too much about anything other Linux, those of us who like to > >> run stable setups are in for a long wait for a resolution. > > > > Mr Quigley, > > > > Perhaps you'd like to volunteer to help submit bugfixes. I don't see any > > contributions by you at all, yet you have the gall to accuse the "jocks > > on sourceforge" of anything? The "jocks on sourceforge" use whichever > > machines they have and know. We've got people using Solaris, FreeBSD, > > and Linux on 4 architectures that I know of working on the code- Some > > people are working on MacOSX, HPUX and other platforms too. Instead of > > contributing to the FUD and poo hooing those who are working to make > > this product better, perhaps you can contribute. Don't give me any of > > this "I've submitted patches but they all get rejected" like many of > > your ilk do - Because I can verify that your name has not come up on a > > single line of submitted code. > > > > I hate politics. More than hating politics I hate people who have > > platform zealousy issues. If you feel that whichever platform you're > > using is under-represented among the "jocks on sourceforge", perhaps you > > could bring yourself down to our/their level and contribute. Not a > > single "jock on sourceforge" has any grudge against any platform - Sure, > > we all have preferences - But to insinuate that we/they intentionally > > ignore or "code against" a certain platform is beyond ludicrous- Not too > > mention rude. > > > > Furthermore, perhaps you noticed a certain three (3) letters in the > > names of the releases that the "jocks on sourceforge" have made. "PRE". > > "PRE" means "THIS FUCKING SHIT ISN'T SUPPOSED TO WORK YET BECAUSE WE'RE > > STILL DEVELOPING IT SO IF YOU DON'T HAVE ANYTHING ***CONSTRUCTIVE*** TO > > SAY OR CODE TO CONTRIBUTE BACK THE FUCK OFF". *straightening jacket* The > > code coming out of the **PRE** 1.5 tree is considered alpha quality at > > best - Somedays a good Beta quality. > > > > We all have wishlists. We all would like Netatalk to be *the* AppleShare > > server on ALL *IXish machines. We would like to have a lot of success, > > meet 100% of peoples feature requests, and in general have a fun time > > doing it - And it's getting there. Slowly. > > > > So, Mr. Quigley, although your views and opinions are welcome - I'll be > > the last person to suppress that - I think you should get your facts in > > line before making inflammatory statements about the people who are > > trying to make a product you *CONSUME* as good as it can be- People, > > mind you, who aren't getting paid for this. People who do it so that > > they can actually CONTRIBUTE to something, instead of COMPLAINING about > > it. Inflammatory, derogatory statements like yours only hurts production > > as it disheartens those who work hard on this project. If you aren't a > > coder - That's cool - Can you write docs? Maybe English isn't your first > > language so you could translate them into other languages? Perhaps you > > could use a debugger and send on debugging symbols to make the > > bug-hunters lives a little easier? Hell, we could all probably use > > bigger harddrives, more RAM, a couple days of "pay" to take time off > > from our busy lives and spend the day coding and bug-hunting, maybe an > > OS X server to give us something to test on. There's a LOT of ways you > > can help- And you've already found one grevious way to hurt. > > > > -- > > > > Matthew Keller > > Enterprise System Analyst > > Computing & Technology Services > > Information Services Division > > State University of NY at Potsdam > > > > http://mattwork.potsdam.edu/ > > > > -- > > Matthew Keller > Enterprise System Analyst > Computing & Technology Services > Information Services Division > State University of NY at Potsdam > > http://mattwork.potsdam.edu/ --------------AF8C1CBFDFB827A2BD8B7993 Content-Type: text/x-vcard; charset=us-ascii; name="stone.vcf" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: Card for Magnus Stenman Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="stone.vcf" begin:vcard n:Stenman;Magnus x-mozilla-html:FALSE url:http://stenman.org org:Lodbroker adr:;;;;;; version:2.1 email;internet:stone@lodbroker.com title:undef x-mozilla-cpt:;-17096 fn:Magnus Stenman end:vcard --------------AF8C1CBFDFB827A2BD8B7993-- From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Fri Apr 6 12:44:01 2001 Return-Path: Received: from kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.25]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id MAA17827 for ; Fri, 6 Apr 2001 12:44:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id MAA05293 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Fri, 6 Apr 2001 12:44:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id MAA05270 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Fri, 6 Apr 2001 12:44:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ccgate.goldenbooks.com (mail.goldenbooks.com [205.243.222.114]) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id MAA05243 for ; Fri, 6 Apr 2001 12:43:59 -0400 (EDT) From: JSherry@goldenbooks.com Received: from ccMail by ccgate.goldenbooks.com (IMA Internet Exchange 3.11) id 0018427C; Fri, 6 Apr 2001 10:45:52 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2001 12:41:00 -0500 Message-ID: <0018427C.C21126@goldenbooks.com> Subject: Guest Access only, no authentication To: netatalk-admins@umich.edu Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part I'm a linux neophyte. I managed to get netatalk up and running following the infamous Anders instructions. Only guest access is an option. If I disable guest, I get the error that basically says "couldn't find appropriate UAM on your client computer". I've got cleartext enabled. I added -DSHADOWPW and recompiled, still no authentication. I'm running a standard server install of Redhat 7, and added DES, etc. per the instructions, frankly 'cause I found it easier ultimately to add all authentication options than to find all the lines to comment out, when I was compiling. Any tips would be appreciated. Jonathan Sherry Manager of Publishing & Production Systems Golden Books From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Fri Apr 6 12:59:45 2001 Return-Path: Received: from easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.26]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id MAA18151 for ; Fri, 6 Apr 2001 12:59:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id MAA18418 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Fri, 6 Apr 2001 12:59:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id MAA18374 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Fri, 6 Apr 2001 12:59:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from potsdam.edu (potsdam.edu [137.143.110.101]) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with SMTP id MAA18333 for ; Fri, 6 Apr 2001 12:59:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 28081 invoked by alias); 6 Apr 2001 16:59:49 -0000 Received: (qmail 28068 invoked by uid 0); 6 Apr 2001 16:59:48 -0000 Received: from comp10574.potsdam.edu (137.143.111.133) by potsdam.edu with SMTP; 6 Apr 2001 16:59:48 -0000 Subject: Re: Guest Access only, no authentication From: Matthew Keller To: JSherry@goldenbooks.com Cc: netatalk-admins@umich.edu In-Reply-To: <0018427C.C21126@goldenbooks.com> References: <0018427C.C21126@goldenbooks.com> Content-Type: text/plain X-Mailer: Evolution/0.10+cvs.2001.04.06.08.06 (Preview Release) Date: 06 Apr 2001 12:59:40 -0400 Message-Id: <986576380.3486.6.camel@comp10574.potsdam.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 What version of Netatalk? On 06 Apr 2001 12:41:00 -0500, JSherry@goldenbooks.com wrote: > I'm a linux neophyte. I managed to get netatalk up and running following the > infamous Anders instructions. Only guest access is an option. If I disable > guest, I get the error that basically says "couldn't find appropriate UAM on > your client computer". I've got cleartext enabled. I added -DSHADOWPW and > recompiled, still no authentication. > > I'm running a standard server install of Redhat 7, and added DES, etc. per the > instructions, frankly 'cause I found it easier ultimately to add all > authentication options than to find all the lines to comment out, when I was > compiling. > > Any tips would be appreciated. > > Jonathan Sherry > Manager of Publishing & Production Systems > Golden Books > > -- Matthew Keller Enterprise System Analyst Computing & Technology Services Information Services Division State University of NY at Potsdam http://mattwork.potsdam.edu/ From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Fri Apr 6 13:15:34 2001 Return-Path: Received: from kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.25]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id NAA18843 for ; Fri, 6 Apr 2001 13:15:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id NAA13827 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Fri, 6 Apr 2001 13:15:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id NAA13784 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Fri, 6 Apr 2001 13:15:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pete.uri.edu (PETE.URI.EDU [131.128.1.12]) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id NAA12202 for ; Fri, 6 Apr 2001 13:15:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [131.128.89.102] ([131.128.89.102]) by pete.uri.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id NAA30446 for ; Fri, 6 Apr 2001 13:14:17 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2001 13:12:07 -0400 To: netatalk-admins@umich.edu From: cma@uri.edu (Christopher M. Anderson) Subject: Permissions for creating files Hello all, I'm running netatalk 1.5pre5 on a 2.2.17-14smp kernel (redhat 6.2 distribution). I can see the linux box in the chooser, connect via tcp, and open and manipulate existing files. However, whenever I copy a file from the mac to the linux box, or try to save a file from a mac application to the linux box, I get the message: "The item cannot be written because it is locked." Wading through the .AppleDouble directory (permissions 711), existing linux box files have permissions 600 and an empty file by the name of the file I tried to save/copy with permissions 000 (hence the locking?). Similarly, if I try to trash an existing linux file, I am told I do not have permissions. I think there are some clues in my /messages log, but I'm new enough to linux not to know what they mean: at login: Apr 5 23:04:52 bandit afpd[19308]: dhx login: xyz Apr 5 23:04:52 bandit afpd[19308]: uams_dhx_pam.c :PAM: PAM Success -- No such file or directory Apr 5 23:04:52 bandit PAM_pwdb[19308]: (netatalk) session opened for user xyz b y (uid=0) Apr 5 23:04:52 bandit afpd[19308]: uams_dhx_pam.c :PAM: PAM Auth OK!: (null) -- Inappropriate ioctl for device Apr 5 23:04:52 bandit afpd[19308]: login xyz (uid 500, gid 100) Then, when I try to copy a file: Apr 5 23:05:06 bandit afpd[19308]: setdirowner: chown -1/0 .AppleDouble/.Parent : Operation not permitted Am I having an authentication problem when I login through appletalk, and that's preventing me from getting thr right permissions to create files (and if so, how do I fix it), or do I have a something set incorrectly within netatalk? Thanks for any ideas, Chris From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Fri Apr 6 13:18:21 2001 Return-Path: Received: from funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.27]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id NAA18921 for ; Fri, 6 Apr 2001 13:18:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id NAA29344 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Fri, 6 Apr 2001 13:17:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id NAA29318 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Fri, 6 Apr 2001 13:17:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from post.xecu.net (post.xecu.net [216.127.136.211]) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id NAA29287 for ; Fri, 6 Apr 2001 13:17:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pippin.fred.net (gandalf.cust.planetcable.net [24.137.17.39]) by post.xecu.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 41AA649C3 for ; Fri, 6 Apr 2001 13:17:34 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <5.0.2.1.2.20010406125624.01aebbf0@fred.net> X-Sender: pippin@fred.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0.2 Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2001 13:17:19 -0400 To: netatalk-admins@umich.edu From: Walt Subject: Re: Guest Access only, no authentication In-Reply-To: <0018427C.C21126@goldenbooks.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed I've intalled this a couple times, but if you are running RedHat is there a particular reason you can't install from the RPM? I've never gotten anything but clear text passwords to work with the 1.4asun rpm but that build seems to work mostly fine. Walt -~ The world continues to offer glittering prizes to those who have stout hearts and sharp swords. Earl of Birkenhead From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Fri Apr 6 13:27:51 2001 Return-Path: Received: from funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.27]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id NAA19184 for ; Fri, 6 Apr 2001 13:27:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id NAA12733 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Fri, 6 Apr 2001 13:27:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id NAA12672 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Fri, 6 Apr 2001 13:27:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from monterosa.urbanet.ch (monterosa.urbanet.ch [195.202.193.104]) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with SMTP id NAA11460 for ; Fri, 6 Apr 2001 13:27:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 28914 invoked from network); 6 Apr 2001 17:26:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mi-note.media-aera.ch) (195.202.208.116) by monterosa.urbanet.ch with SMTP; 6 Apr 2001 17:26:59 -0000 Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20010406191929.00cb7b80@net1.alma.ch> X-Sender: mi@net1.alma.ch X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2001 19:26:09 +0200 To: From: Milivoj Ivkovic Subject: reject special characters in file names? In-Reply-To: References: < Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Is it possible to configure netatalk to reject certain characters in file/folder names? We have a mixed Windows/Mac environment, and characters like "/", which are OK for Macs and used a lot, cause problems in Windows/Samba. As it is, Netatalk encodes the character so it's ok on Unix ("/" becomes ":2f"), but then the file/folder cannot be accesses from Windows. Thanks! Milivoj From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Fri Apr 6 13:31:32 2001 Return-Path: Received: from funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.27]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id NAA19337 for ; Fri, 6 Apr 2001 13:31:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id NAA16722 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Fri, 6 Apr 2001 13:31:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id NAA16698 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Fri, 6 Apr 2001 13:31:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from trinity.magpage.com (trinity.magpage.com [216.155.0.8]) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id NAA15219 for ; Fri, 6 Apr 2001 13:31:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [216.155.36.73] ([216.155.36.73]) by trinity.magpage.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id f36HUA873081 for ; Fri, 6 Apr 2001 13:30:10 -0400 (EDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: ryannm@mail.magpage.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2001 13:30:09 -0400 To: netatalk-admins@umich.edu From: Ryan McBeth Subject: Re: Permissions for creating files Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Christopher, I had the same problem a few weeks ago. I'm running this on redhat as well. A kind soul sent me 1.5pre3 (although everyone insists that there *was* no pre3). And 1.5pre3 seemed to work. In fact, my whole company is accessing through 1.5pre3. I'll send it to you. Ryan >Hello all, > >I'm running netatalk 1.5pre5 on a 2.2.17-14smp kernel (redhat 6.2 >distribution). I can see the linux box in the chooser, connect via tcp, >and open and manipulate existing files. However, whenever I copy a file >from the mac to the linux box, or try to save a file from a mac application >to the linux box, I get the message: "The item cannot be written >because it is locked." > >Wading through the .AppleDouble directory (permissions 711), existing linux >box files have permissions 600 and an empty file by the name of the file I >tried to save/copy with permissions 000 (hence the locking?). Similarly, >if I try to trash an existing linux file, I am told I do not have >permissions. > >I think there are some clues in my /messages log, but I'm new enough to >linux not to know what they mean: >at login: >Apr 5 23:04:52 bandit afpd[19308]: dhx login: xyz >Apr 5 23:04:52 bandit afpd[19308]: uams_dhx_pam.c :PAM: PAM Success >-- No such >file or directory >Apr 5 23:04:52 bandit PAM_pwdb[19308]: (netatalk) session opened >for user xyz b >y (uid=0) >Apr 5 23:04:52 bandit afpd[19308]: uams_dhx_pam.c :PAM: PAM Auth >OK!: (null) -- > Inappropriate ioctl for device >Apr 5 23:04:52 bandit afpd[19308]: login xyz (uid 500, gid 100) > >Then, when I try to copy a file: > >Apr 5 23:05:06 bandit afpd[19308]: setdirowner: chown -1/0 >.AppleDouble/.Parent >: Operation not permitted > >Am I having an authentication problem when I login through appletalk, and >that's preventing me from getting thr right permissions to create files >(and if so, how do I fix it), or do I have a something set incorrectly >within netatalk? > >Thanks for any ideas, > >Chris __________________________________ Ryan McBeth Systems Administrator, Mobius New Media Voice: (302) 475-9880 x11 FAX: (302) 475-9894 www.mobiusnm.com __________________________________ "The NeXT Computer: The hardware makes it a PC, the software makes it a workstation, the unit sales makes it a mainframe." -Anon. From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Fri Apr 6 13:35:06 2001 Return-Path: Received: from kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.25]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id NAA19423 for ; Fri, 6 Apr 2001 13:35:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id NAA09451 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Fri, 6 Apr 2001 13:35:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id NAA09438 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Fri, 6 Apr 2001 13:35:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from trinity.magpage.com (trinity.magpage.com [216.155.0.8]) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id NAA09403 for ; Fri, 6 Apr 2001 13:35:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [216.155.36.73] ([216.155.36.73]) by trinity.magpage.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id f36HZ3875137 for ; Fri, 6 Apr 2001 13:35:03 -0400 (EDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: ryannm@mail.magpage.com Message-Id: Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2001 13:35:01 -0400 To: netatalk-admins@umich.edu From: Ryan McBeth Subject: Re: Permissions for creating files - CORRECTION! Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" I just wanted to apologize to the group. I went on for about 3 sentences about "pre3" and as it turns out, I'm using netatalk-1.5pre2-4.i386.rpm . Sorry for any confusion. I really should lay off the packet lubricant until the *end* of the day. Ryan __________________________________ Ryan McBeth Systems Administrator, Mobius New Media Voice: (302) 475-9880 x11 FAX: (302) 475-9894 www.mobiusnm.com __________________________________ "The NeXT Computer: The hardware makes it a PC, the software makes it a workstation, the unit sales makes it a mainframe." -Anon. From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Fri Apr 6 13:40:29 2001 Return-Path: Received: from kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.25]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id NAA19610 for ; Fri, 6 Apr 2001 13:40:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id NAA16141 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Fri, 6 Apr 2001 13:40:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id NAA16117 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Fri, 6 Apr 2001 13:40:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from potsdam.edu (potsdam.edu [137.143.110.101]) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with SMTP id NAA16097 for ; Fri, 6 Apr 2001 13:40:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 9325 invoked by alias); 6 Apr 2001 17:40:32 -0000 Received: (qmail 9312 invoked by uid 0); 6 Apr 2001 17:40:31 -0000 Received: from comp10574.potsdam.edu (137.143.111.133) by potsdam.edu with SMTP; 6 Apr 2001 17:40:31 -0000 Subject: Re: Permissions for creating files From: Matthew Keller To: Christopher "M." Anderson Cc: netatalk-admins@umich.edu In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain X-Mailer: Evolution/0.10+cvs.2001.04.06.08.06 (Preview Release) Date: 06 Apr 2001 13:40:24 -0400 Message-Id: <986578824.3486.11.camel@comp10574.potsdam.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 I believe that this was fixed after the release - Try a build from CVS (but also expect to find OTHER things broken ;) On 06 Apr 2001 13:12:07 -0400, Christopher M. Anderson wrote: > Hello all, > > I'm running netatalk 1.5pre5 on a 2.2.17-14smp kernel (redhat 6.2 > distribution). I can see the linux box in the chooser, connect via tcp, > and open and manipulate existing files. However, whenever I copy a file > from the mac to the linux box, or try to save a file from a mac application > to the linux box, I get the message: "The item cannot be written > because it is locked." > > Wading through the .AppleDouble directory (permissions 711), existing linux > box files have permissions 600 and an empty file by the name of the file I > tried to save/copy with permissions 000 (hence the locking?). Similarly, > if I try to trash an existing linux file, I am told I do not have > permissions. > > I think there are some clues in my /messages log, but I'm new enough to > linux not to know what they mean: > at login: > Apr 5 23:04:52 bandit afpd[19308]: dhx login: xyz > Apr 5 23:04:52 bandit afpd[19308]: uams_dhx_pam.c :PAM: PAM Success -- No such > file or directory > Apr 5 23:04:52 bandit PAM_pwdb[19308]: (netatalk) session opened for user xyz b > y (uid=0) > Apr 5 23:04:52 bandit afpd[19308]: uams_dhx_pam.c :PAM: PAM Auth OK!: (null) -- > Inappropriate ioctl for device > Apr 5 23:04:52 bandit afpd[19308]: login xyz (uid 500, gid 100) > > Then, when I try to copy a file: > > Apr 5 23:05:06 bandit afpd[19308]: setdirowner: chown -1/0 .AppleDouble/.Parent > : Operation not permitted > > Am I having an authentication problem when I login through appletalk, and > that's preventing me from getting thr right permissions to create files > (and if so, how do I fix it), or do I have a something set incorrectly > within netatalk? > > Thanks for any ideas, > > Chris > > > -- Matthew Keller Enterprise System Analyst Computing & Technology Services Information Services Division State University of NY at Potsdam http://mattwork.potsdam.edu/ From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Fri Apr 6 14:11:09 2001 Return-Path: Received: from easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.26]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id OAA20549 for ; Fri, 6 Apr 2001 14:11:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id OAA10843 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Fri, 6 Apr 2001 14:11:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id OAA10818 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Fri, 6 Apr 2001 14:11:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dionysus.terrascope.com (www.terrascope.com [63.140.215.162]) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id OAA10781 for ; Fri, 6 Apr 2001 14:11:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from terrascope.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dionysus.terrascope.com (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f36IKCb15651; Fri, 6 Apr 2001 11:20:12 -0700 Sender: walt@dionysus.terrascope.com Message-ID: <3ACE08DC.6811ED11@terrascope.com> Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2001 11:20:12 -0700 From: Walt Reed X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.2 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: JSherry@goldenbooks.com, netatalk-admins@umich.edu Subject: Re: Guest Access only, no authentication References: <0018427C.C21126@goldenbooks.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit are you running os 9? i've had problems with user authentication from 8.6 and earlier. once i moved everyone to os 9 i was able to disable cleartext passwords on the shares. i'm running 1.5pre3 on redhat 7.0 boxes. you might try adding "-uamlist uams_clrtxt.so" to your afpd.conf if you are using one of the 1.5preX (just to get a login, then you can config for crypto later). if you are suddenly able to log in, you know it's a uams issue. then you can either update the mac os if you need to, or figure out what's going on with pam. i also liked the other walt's advice on using an rpm. i've had good experience with mine. w JSherry@goldenbooks.com wrote: > I'm a linux neophyte. I managed to get netatalk up and running following the > infamous Anders instructions. Only guest access is an option. If I disable > guest, I get the error that basically says "couldn't find appropriate UAM on > your client computer". I've got cleartext enabled. I added -DSHADOWPW and > recompiled, still no authentication. > > I'm running a standard server install of Redhat 7, and added DES, etc. per the > instructions, frankly 'cause I found it easier ultimately to add all > authentication options than to find all the lines to comment out, when I was > compiling. > > Any tips would be appreciated. > > Jonathan Sherry > Manager of Publishing & Production Systems > Golden Books From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Fri Apr 6 14:29:18 2001 Return-Path: Received: from kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.25]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id OAA21337 for ; Fri, 6 Apr 2001 14:29:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id OAA25278 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Fri, 6 Apr 2001 14:29:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id OAA25259 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Fri, 6 Apr 2001 14:29:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ccgate.goldenbooks.com (mail.goldenbooks.com [205.243.222.114]) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id OAA25203 for ; Fri, 6 Apr 2001 14:29:15 -0400 (EDT) From: JSherry@goldenbooks.com Received: from ccMail by ccgate.goldenbooks.com (IMA Internet Exchange 3.11) id 0018445C; Fri, 6 Apr 2001 12:31:22 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2001 14:22:00 -0500 Message-ID: <0018445C.C21126@goldenbooks.com> Subject: RE: Guest Access only, no authentication To: Matthew Keller Cc: netatalk-admins@umich.edu Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part 1.4b2+asun2.1.3 -----Original Message----- From: Matthew Keller at Internet-RAC Sent: Friday, April 06, 2001 1:07 PM To: Sherry, Jonathan Cc: netatalk-admins@umich.edu at Internet-RAC Subject: RE: Guest Access only, no authentication What version of Netatalk? On 06 Apr 2001 12:41:00 -0500, JSherry@goldenbooks.com wrote: > I'm a linux neophyte. I managed to get netatalk up and running following the > infamous Anders instructions. Only guest access is an option. If I disable > guest, I get the error that basically says "couldn't find appropriate UAM on > your client computer". I've got cleartext enabled. I added -DSHADOWPW and > recompiled, still no authentication. > > I'm running a standard server install of Redhat 7, and added DES, etc. per the > instructions, frankly 'cause I found it easier ultimately to add all > authentication options than to find all the lines to comment out, when I was > compiling. > > Any tips would be appreciated. > > Jonathan Sherry > Manager of Publishing & Production Systems > Golden Books > > -- Matthew Keller Enterprise System Analyst Computing & Technology Services Information Services Division State University of NY at Potsdam http://mattwork.potsdam.edu/ From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Fri Apr 6 14:57:52 2001 Return-Path: Received: from kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.25]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id OAA22329 for ; Fri, 6 Apr 2001 14:57:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id OAA05712 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Fri, 6 Apr 2001 14:57:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id OAA05693 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Fri, 6 Apr 2001 14:57:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ccgate.goldenbooks.com (mail.goldenbooks.com [205.243.222.114]) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id OAA05508 for ; Fri, 6 Apr 2001 14:57:48 -0400 (EDT) From: JSherry@goldenbooks.com Received: from ccMail by ccgate.goldenbooks.com (IMA Internet Exchange 3.11) id 001844F8; Fri, 6 Apr 2001 12:59:49 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2001 14:46:00 -0500 Message-ID: <001844F8.C21126@goldenbooks.com> Subject: RE: Guest Access only, no authentication To: netatalk-admins@umich.edu Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part my login attempts were from OS 9.1. Cleartext would be fine. I disabled guest by specifying only uams_clrtxt.so in my uamlist. Of course I tried adding other non-guest UAMS to the list, even though I'm not certain the Mac OS supports them. Which UAM are your users currently authenticating with? Guess I'd better try the RPM. :) -----Original Message----- From: Walt Reed at Internet-RAC Sent: Friday, April 06, 2001 11:20 AM To: Sherry, Jonathan; netatalk-admins@umich.edu at Internet-RAC Subject: RE: Guest Access only, no authentication are you running os 9? i've had problems with user authentication from 8.6 and earlier. once i moved everyone to os 9 i was able to disable cleartext passwords on the shares. i'm running 1.5pre3 on redhat 7.0 boxes. you might try adding "-uamlist uams_clrtxt.so" to your afpd.conf if you are using one of the 1.5preX (just to get a login, then you can config for crypto later). if you are suddenly able to log in, you know it's a uams issue. then you can either update the mac os if you need to, or figure out what's going on with pam. i also liked the other walt's advice on using an rpm. i've had good experience with mine. w JSherry@goldenbooks.com wrote: > I'm a linux neophyte. I managed to get netatalk up and running following the > infamous Anders instructions. Only guest access is an option. If I disable > guest, I get the error that basically says "couldn't find appropriate UAM on > your client computer". I've got cleartext enabled. I added -DSHADOWPW and > recompiled, still no authentication. > > I'm running a standard server install of Redhat 7, and added DES, etc. per the > instructions, frankly 'cause I found it easier ultimately to add all > authentication options than to find all the lines to comment out, when I was > compiling. > > Any tips would be appreciated. > > Jonathan Sherry > Manager of Publishing & Production Systems > Golden Books From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Fri Apr 6 15:25:25 2001 Return-Path: Received: from easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.26]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id PAA23315 for ; Fri, 6 Apr 2001 15:25:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id PAA10020 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Fri, 6 Apr 2001 15:25:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id PAA10000 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Fri, 6 Apr 2001 15:25:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from post.xecu.net (post.xecu.net [216.127.136.211]) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id PAA09845 for ; Fri, 6 Apr 2001 15:25:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pippin.fred.net (gandalf.cust.planetcable.net [24.137.17.39]) by post.xecu.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7DCF847B1 for ; Fri, 6 Apr 2001 15:25:12 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <5.0.2.1.2.20010406151320.01af6ab0@fred.net> X-Sender: pippin@fred.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0.2 Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2001 15:24:54 -0400 To: netatalk-admins@umich.edu From: Walt Subject: RE: Guest Access only, no authentication In-Reply-To: <001844F8.C21126@goldenbooks.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed In Mac OS versions prior to 9, I think you have to install the Mac AppleShare Client 3.8.6 update to get better passwords... I am a lousy one to give advice, however, since I keep having permissions errors with every install of Netatalk since I attempted 1.5pre5 including a patched version that I installed from source. *Sigh* Oddly enough, even when I uninstalled it and switched back to 1.4+asun, my Mac client still uses a somewhat invalid permission scheme (Creates files 666 instead of 775) and it seems to have problems saving from certain applications. Patiently awaiting next release and wishing I knew C. :-) Walt -~ It is easy to build a philosophy. It doesn't have to run. Charles Kettering From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Fri Apr 6 15:28:47 2001 Return-Path: Received: from funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.27]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id PAA23409 for ; Fri, 6 Apr 2001 15:28:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id PAA06597 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Fri, 6 Apr 2001 15:28:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id PAA05240 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Fri, 6 Apr 2001 15:28:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dionysus.terrascope.com (www.terrascope.com [63.140.215.162]) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id PAA04383 for ; Fri, 6 Apr 2001 15:27:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from terrascope.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dionysus.terrascope.com (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f36JaOb15809; Fri, 6 Apr 2001 12:36:24 -0700 Sender: walt@dionysus.terrascope.com Message-ID: <3ACE1AB7.702559E6@terrascope.com> Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2001 12:36:24 -0700 From: Walt Reed X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.2 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: JSherry@goldenbooks.com, "netatalk-admins@umich.edu" Subject: Re: Guest Access only, no authentication References: <001844F8.C21126@goldenbooks.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit here's my /etc/atalk/afpd.conf: Daphne -address 192.168.xxx.xxx -transall -uamslist uams_dhx.so -nosavepasswd it works, but like i said only w/ os 9 or later. w JSherry@goldenbooks.com wrote: > my login attempts were from OS 9.1. Cleartext would be fine. I disabled guest by > specifying only uams_clrtxt.so in my uamlist. Of course I tried adding other > non-guest UAMS to the list, even though I'm not certain the Mac OS supports > them. Which UAM are your users currently authenticating with? > > Guess I'd better try the RPM. :) > > -----Original Message----- > From: Walt Reed at Internet-RAC > Sent: Friday, April 06, 2001 11:20 AM > To: Sherry, Jonathan; netatalk-admins@umich.edu at Internet-RAC > Subject: RE: Guest Access only, no authentication > > are you running os 9? i've had problems with user authentication from 8.6 and > earlier. once i moved everyone to os 9 i was able to disable cleartext > passwords > on the shares. i'm running 1.5pre3 on redhat 7.0 boxes. you might try adding > "-uamlist uams_clrtxt.so" to your afpd.conf if you are using one of the 1.5preX > (just to get a login, then you can config for crypto later). if you are > suddenly > able to log in, you know it's a uams issue. then you can either update the mac > os if you need to, or figure out what's going on with pam. > > i also liked the other walt's advice on using an rpm. i've had good experience > with mine. > > w > > JSherry@goldenbooks.com wrote: > > > I'm a linux neophyte. I managed to get netatalk up and running following the > > infamous Anders instructions. Only guest access is an option. If I disable > > guest, I get the error that basically says "couldn't find appropriate UAM on > > your client computer". I've got cleartext enabled. I added -DSHADOWPW and > > recompiled, still no authentication. > > > > I'm running a standard server install of Redhat 7, and added DES, etc. per the > > instructions, frankly 'cause I found it easier ultimately to add all > > authentication options than to find all the lines to comment out, when I was > > compiling. > > > > Any tips would be appreciated. > > > > Jonathan Sherry > > Manager of Publishing & Production Systems > > Golden Books From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Sat Apr 7 08:02:52 2001 Return-Path: Received: from kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.25]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id IAA21315 for ; Sat, 7 Apr 2001 08:02:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id IAA12460 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Sat, 7 Apr 2001 08:02:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id IAA12441 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Sat, 7 Apr 2001 08:02:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from frank.gwc.org.uk (frank.gwc.org.uk [212.240.16.7]) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id IAA12392 for ; Sat, 7 Apr 2001 08:02:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (ali@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by frank.gwc.org.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA15602; Sat, 7 Apr 2001 13:02:44 +0100 Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2001 13:02:44 +0100 (BST) From: Alistair Riddell To: "Christopher M. Anderson" cc: netatalk-admins@umich.edu Subject: Re: Permissions for creating files In-Reply-To: Message-ID: X-foo: bar MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII You want to look at the patch in the current CVS tree to libatalk/adouble/ad_open.c which changes O_RDWR to mode. That ought to fix your problem. On Fri, 6 Apr 2001, Christopher M. Anderson wrote: > Hello all, > > I'm running netatalk 1.5pre5 on a 2.2.17-14smp kernel (redhat 6.2 > distribution). I can see the linux box in the chooser, connect via tcp, > and open and manipulate existing files. However, whenever I copy a file > from the mac to the linux box, or try to save a file from a mac application > to the linux box, I get the message: "The item cannot be written > because it is locked." > > Wading through the .AppleDouble directory (permissions 711), existing linux > box files have permissions 600 and an empty file by the name of the file I > tried to save/copy with permissions 000 (hence the locking?). Similarly, > if I try to trash an existing linux file, I am told I do not have > permissions. > > I think there are some clues in my /messages log, but I'm new enough to > linux not to know what they mean: > at login: > Apr 5 23:04:52 bandit afpd[19308]: dhx login: xyz > Apr 5 23:04:52 bandit afpd[19308]: uams_dhx_pam.c :PAM: PAM Success -- No such > file or directory > Apr 5 23:04:52 bandit PAM_pwdb[19308]: (netatalk) session opened for user xyz b > y (uid=0) > Apr 5 23:04:52 bandit afpd[19308]: uams_dhx_pam.c :PAM: PAM Auth OK!: (null) -- > Inappropriate ioctl for device > Apr 5 23:04:52 bandit afpd[19308]: login xyz (uid 500, gid 100) > > Then, when I try to copy a file: > > Apr 5 23:05:06 bandit afpd[19308]: setdirowner: chown -1/0 .AppleDouble/.Parent > : Operation not permitted > > Am I having an authentication problem when I login through appletalk, and > that's preventing me from getting thr right permissions to create files > (and if so, how do I fix it), or do I have a something set incorrectly > within netatalk? > > Thanks for any ideas, > > Chris > > -- Alistair Riddell - BOFH IT Support Department, George Watson's College, Edinburgh Tel: +44 131 447 7931 Ext 176 Fax: +44 131 452 8594 Microsoft - because god hates us From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Sat Apr 7 13:35:20 2001 Return-Path: Received: from funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.27]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id NAA28630 for ; Sat, 7 Apr 2001 13:35:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id NAA13269 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Sat, 7 Apr 2001 13:35:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id NAA13242 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Sat, 7 Apr 2001 13:35:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.euc.de (mail.euc.de [195.63.193.18]) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id NAA13183 for ; Sat, 7 Apr 2001 13:35:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from euc.de (euc-punktum.euc.de [195.63.193.116]) by mail.euc.de (8.9.3/8.9.3/SuSE Linux 8.9.3-0.1) with ESMTP id TAA22132 for ; Sat, 7 Apr 2001 19:30:49 +0200 Message-ID: <3ACF4ECB.2479835A@euc.de> Date: Sat, 07 Apr 2001 19:30:53 +0200 From: Mac Conin Organization: EUC Online Service GmbH X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "netatalk-admins@umich.edu" Subject: one step further Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit HEY! after fiddling with everything here and there... installing netatalk-1.5pre5 on suse distribution Kernel 2.2.16 I've copied the sources to the linux-server then patched the ad_open.c file as mentioned before, then ./configure --enable-suse --with-shadow --with-pam --with-flock-locks resulting in a version, where only guest can log in, but having no problems with file permissions. Then I edited the /etc/pam.d/netatalk file to: auth required /lib/security/pam_unix.so account required /lib/security/pam_unix.so #password required /lib/security/pam_cracklib.so #password required /lib/security/pam_pwdb.so shadow use_authtok session required /lib/security/pam_unix.so because I noticed that the requested files for authorisation are not installed from the package. After that, it seems to work :) The .Applevolumes file for a client looks like: /usr/local/files "test-Server" allow:@users codepage:maccode.iso8859-1 options:usedots This is generating the appropriate umlauts as seen from the console of the server. So this should work also in conjunction with samba :) Wow I can kick now the idea of a Windump-Server into trash. What a relief. One thing the messages reporting is: ... Apr 7 18:21:06 linux afpd[28129]: main: atp_open: Cannot assign requested address .. (which one ??) .. Apr 7 18:21:06 linux afpd[28129]: ASIP started on 192.168.0.99:548(0) (1.5pre5) Apr 7 18:21:06 linux afpd[28129]: uam : Loading (/etc/atalk/uams/uams_guest.so) Apr 7 18:21:06 linux afpd[28129]: uam: uams_guest.so loaded Apr 7 18:21:06 linux afpd[28129]: uam : Loading (/etc/atalk/uams/uams_clrtxt.so Apr 7 18:21:06 linux afpd[28129]: uam: uams_clrtxt.so loaded Apr 7 18:21:06 linux afpd[28129]: uam : Loading (/etc/atalk/uams/uams_dhx.so) Apr 7 18:21:06 linux afpd[28129]: uam: uam not found (status=-1) ... (seems that this file is missing in the package?) Apr 7 18:21:06 linux afpd[28129]: uam: "Cleartxt Passwrd" available Apr 7 18:21:06 linux afpd[28129]: uam: "No User Authent" available I will now do a little testing.. jubel -- --schnipp-- ----------------------------------------------------------- Mac Conin EUC Online Service GmbH Taubengasse 9 mconin@euc.de D 50676 Koeln http://www.euc.de tel : +49-221-923 27 33 fax : +49-221-239 651 ----------------------------------------------------------- From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Sat Apr 7 15:01:23 2001 Return-Path: Received: from easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.26]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id PAA00319 for ; Sat, 7 Apr 2001 15:01:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id PAA13962 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Sat, 7 Apr 2001 15:01:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id PAA13921 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Sat, 7 Apr 2001 15:01:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from daisy.mattinen.org (daisy.mattinen.org [207.228.54.35]) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id PAA13862 for ; Sat, 7 Apr 2001 15:01:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [192.168.0.12] (nat-gw.mattinen.org [207.228.54.34]) by daisy.mattinen.org (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f37J1FP17998 for ; Sat, 7 Apr 2001 12:01:15 -0700 User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Sat, 07 Apr 2001 12:01:15 -0700 Subject: MacOS X Can't Connect From: "Seth D. Mattinen" To: Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit My MacOS X (release) and Netatalk server don't seem to want to play together. I am running netatalk-1.5pre3-1mdk, which I realize is now at pre5. The MacOS X machine is at work, the Netatalk server is at home, I'm at home right now... I'll probably run up through the release tree and see if any versions of netatalk newer that what I'm running improve anything. Okay. Now, here's the problem. MacOS X can apparently talk netatalk and successfully authenticate. However, upon selecting the volume to mount, I instantly get the "Server has unexpectedly closed the connection" error on X. Syslog has this to say about the exchange (note timestamps): Apr 6 16:14:10 daisy afpd[13248]: ASIP session:548(1) from 207.228.xx.xx:49371(2) Apr 6 16:14:10 daisy afpd[13248]: dhx login: sethm Apr 6 16:14:10 daisy PAM_pwdb[13248]: (netatalk) session opened for user sethm by (uid=0) Apr 6 16:14:10 daisy afpd[13248]: login sethm (uid 500, gid 100) Apr 6 16:14:18 daisy afpd[13248]: dsi_stream_read(0): No such process Apr 6 16:14:18 daisy PAM_pwdb[13248]: (netatalk) session closed for user sethm Apr 6 16:14:18 daisy afpd[13248]: 0.56KB read, 8.65KB written Apr 6 16:14:18 daisy afpd[13248]: Connection terminated Apr 6 16:14:18 daisy afpd[707]: server_child[1] 13248 exited 1 I'm guessing the problem happens where "dsi_stream_read(0): No such process" appears in the logs, which is (again, guessing) where it tries to mount the volume. The two are connected only by the internet; this issue is not present when the same machine from the same IP is booted under MacOS 9. Has anyone else come across what I'm seeing here? Ideas? Comments? -- Seth D. Mattinen sethm@roller.reno.nv.us http://roller.reno.nv.us/ PGP Key: http://seth.mattinen.org/pgp.php Think twice, type once. From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Sat Apr 7 18:18:36 2001 Return-Path: Received: from kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.25]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id SAA05191 for ; Sat, 7 Apr 2001 18:18:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id SAA10395 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Sat, 7 Apr 2001 18:18:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id SAA10378 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Sat, 7 Apr 2001 18:18:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from apollo.cc.macalester.edu (apollo.cc.macalester.edu [141.140.1.2]) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id SAA10352 for ; Sat, 7 Apr 2001 18:18:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [192.168.1.2] ([141.140.105.39]) by macalester.edu (PMDF V5.2-32 #38670) with ESMTP id <01K24JRUS0DI0004KO@macalester.edu> for netatalk-admins@umich.edu; Sat, 7 Apr 2001 17:18:14 CDT Date: Sat, 07 Apr 2001 17:18:37 -0500 From: Alon Subject: Filename Length Trickery To: netatalk-admins@umich.edu Message-id: <3116406356.986663917@[192.168.1.2]> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mulberry/2.0.8 (Win32) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-disposition: inline Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit As some of you might remember, I've been trying to get Mac clients to see files on my server that have lengths greater than 31 chars. After taking a brief look at the source code, I changed globals.h: #define MACFILELEN 31 to globals.h: #define MACFILELEN 120 which successfully makes Netatalk show the longer-named files to the Mac clients. However, it could of course never be that easy, and I now get the error "The document "xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx" could not be opened, because an error of type -37 occurred." whenever I try to read long-named files from a client (OS 9.04 in this case). I assume the problem has something to do with name-length translation between the client and the server....somewhere along the line the name must be getting truncated, which is why the file cannot be found. Now, is there any way I can get this setup to work?, or should I just give up all hope now :) The Finder can obviously handle displaying names of length greater than 31, but it is not able to read them properly. I (wrongfully) assumed that the Mac client would truncate to 31 chars on its own, if it ever saw long-named files. Is this something that is fixed in OS 9.1 ? Is this something that can be fixed with some more code hacking perhaps? At this point I'm inclined to write a shell script that'll go thru my list of long-named files and place short-named symlinks to them in another directory....which I would then share with the Mac clients. It's really ugly and a pain-in-the-ass, but it's the best idea I have right now. Anybody got any ideas ? aLoN From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Sun Apr 8 00:58:33 2001 Return-Path: Received: from funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.27]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id AAA18998 for ; Sun, 8 Apr 2001 00:58:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id AAA04263 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Sun, 8 Apr 2001 00:58:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id AAA04244 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Sun, 8 Apr 2001 00:58:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from zevils.com (ool-18b85c87.dyn.optonline.net [24.184.92.135]) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id AAA04188 for ; Sun, 8 Apr 2001 00:58:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] ident=dukenukm) by zevils.com with esmtp (Exim 3.22 #1 (Debian)) id 14m7HS-0004rH-00 for ; Sun, 08 Apr 2001 00:58:30 -0400 Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2001 00:58:30 -0400 (EDT) From: Flint Million X-Sender: To: Subject: multiple AFP servers? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hello... I have been experimenting with the idea of running multiple AFP servers on one copy of netatalk. I've edited the afpd.conf file to include all the servers I want to run. Here is the problem: I can change the DEFAULT and SYSTEM AppleVolumes files, but not the AppleVolumes file for each user. For example, say I wanted two servers: one for home directory access and another for access to a Samba-enabled directory - SEPARATE from the homedir. One might be called "Linux AFP" and the other called "Windows-compatible Shared"... Can I tell netatlk to use different USER.applevolumes files as well as different default ones? For instance, I want the default AFP server to use ~/.AppleVolumes and the secondary server to use ~/.AppleVolumes.samba Also, can I restrict certain users from using the secondary server? Say I have two users: user1 and user2, and user1 should be able to access both servers, but user2 should only be able to access the first server; if he tries to access the secondary server, his password is rejected. Flint Million dukenukm@zevils.com From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Sun Apr 8 10:00:26 2001 Return-Path: Received: from easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.26]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id KAA03195 for ; Sun, 8 Apr 2001 10:00:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id KAA29912 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Sun, 8 Apr 2001 10:00:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id KAA29887 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Sun, 8 Apr 2001 10:00:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.euc.de (mail.euc.de [195.63.193.18]) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id KAA29829 for ; Sun, 8 Apr 2001 10:00:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from euc.de (euc-punktum.euc.de [195.63.193.116]) by mail.euc.de (8.9.3/8.9.3/SuSE Linux 8.9.3-0.1) with ESMTP id PAA25408; Sun, 8 Apr 2001 15:55:55 +0200 Message-ID: <3AD06DED.BBA9CDFF@euc.de> Date: Sun, 08 Apr 2001 15:55:59 +0200 From: Mac Conin Organization: EUC Online Service GmbH X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Flint Million CC: netatalk-admins@umich.edu Subject: Re: multiple AFP servers? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu id KAA03195 Hmm. Flint Million wrote: > > Hello... > I have been experimenting with the idea of running multiple AFP servers on > one copy of netatalk. I've edited the afpd.conf file to include all the > servers I want to run. Here is the problem: I can change the DEFAULT and > SYSTEM AppleVolumes files, but not the AppleVolumes file for each user. > For example, say I wanted two servers: one for home directory access and > another for access to a Samba-enabled directory - SEPARATE from the > homedir. One might be called "Linux AFP" and the other called > "Windows-compatible Shared"... > > Can I tell netatlk to use different USER.applevolumes files as > well as different default ones? Yes, you can. first place in the users home directory the volumes you want them to see. Then you can edit the /etc/atalk/Applevolumes.default to show a global volume if you call afpd -u (home directory .Applevolumes first) this should fit. Also you can tell any volume options like allow:@users deny:user2 For instance, I want the default AFP > server to use ~/.AppleVolumes and the secondary server to use > ~/.AppleVolumes.samba > > Also, can I restrict certain users from using the secondary server? Say I > have two users: user1 and user2, and user1 should be able to access both > servers, but user2 should only be able to access the first server; if he > tries to access the secondary server, his password is rejected. > > Flint Million > dukenukm@zevils.com -- --schnipp-- best regards ----------------------------------------------------------- Mac Conin EUC Online Service GmbH mconin@euc.de http://www.euc.de tel : +49-221-923 27 33 fax : +49-221-239 651 ----------------------------------------------------------- EUC sponsort Clean up Cologne - eine Iniative der IHK Köln, der Abfallwirtschaftsbetriebe Köln (AWB) und dem Grünflächenamt der Stadt Köln. http://www.clean-up-cologne.de From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Mon Apr 9 07:17:10 2001 Return-Path: Received: from funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.27]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id HAA07383 for ; Mon, 9 Apr 2001 07:17:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id HAA12693 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Mon, 9 Apr 2001 07:17:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id HAA12685 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Mon, 9 Apr 2001 07:17:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from trinity.magpage.com (trinity.magpage.com [216.155.0.8]) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id HAA12648 for ; Mon, 9 Apr 2001 07:17:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [216.155.36.73] ([216.155.36.73]) by trinity.magpage.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id f39BH7j20835 for ; Mon, 9 Apr 2001 07:17:07 -0400 (EDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: ryannm@mail.magpage.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3116406356.986663917@[192.168.1.2]> References: <3116406356.986663917@[192.168.1.2]> Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2001 07:17:08 -0400 To: netatalk-admins@umich.edu From: Ryan McBeth Subject: Re: Filename Length Trickery Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Alon, In all honesty, one of the best ways to fix this problem involves no programming at all. Use Social engineering. Let your employees know, through their employee handbook, or their initial training, that you can't make filenames greater than 31 characters. Believe it or not, this approach can work. Ryan >As some of you might remember, I've been trying to get Mac clients >to see files on my server that have lengths greater than 31 chars. >After taking a brief look at the source code, I changed > >globals.h: #define MACFILELEN 31 >to >globals.h: #define MACFILELEN 120 > >which successfully makes Netatalk show the longer-named files to the >Mac clients. However, it could of course never be that easy, and I >now get the error > >"The document "xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx" could not be opened, >because an error of type -37 occurred." > >whenever I try to read long-named files from a client (OS 9.04 in >this case). I assume the problem has something to do with >name-length translation between the client and the >server....somewhere along the line the name must be getting >truncated, which is why the file cannot be found. > >Now, is there any way I can get this setup to work?, or should I >just give up all hope now :) The Finder can obviously handle >displaying names of length greater than 31, but it is not able to >read them properly. I (wrongfully) assumed that the Mac client >would truncate to 31 chars on its own, if it ever saw long-named >files. Is this something that is fixed in OS 9.1 ? Is this >something that can be fixed with some more code hacking perhaps? > >At this point I'm inclined to write a shell script that'll go thru >my list of long-named files and place short-named symlinks to them >in another directory....which I would then share with the Mac >clients. It's really ugly and a pain-in-the-ass, but it's the best >idea I have right now. > >Anybody got any ideas ? > >aLoN __________________________________ Ryan McBeth Systems Administrator, Mobius New Media Voice: (302) 475-9880 x11 FAX: (302) 475-9894 www.mobiusnm.com __________________________________ "The NeXT Computer: The hardware makes it a PC, the software makes it a workstation, the unit sales makes it a mainframe." -Anon. From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Mon Apr 9 09:33:51 2001 Return-Path: Received: from funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.27]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id JAA11745 for ; Mon, 9 Apr 2001 09:33:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id JAA20979 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Mon, 9 Apr 2001 09:33:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id JAA20948 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Mon, 9 Apr 2001 09:33:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from iremia.univ-reunion.fr (iremia.univ-reunion.fr [194.199.73.10]) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id JAA20830 for ; Mon, 9 Apr 2001 09:33:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from univ-reunion.fr (clapas [194.199.73.34]) by iremia.univ-reunion.fr (8.9.1a/jtpda-5.3.1/jlo(98)) with ESMTP id RAA02839 for ; Mon, 9 Apr 2001 17:33:40 +0400 (GMT+4) Sender: Gerard.Gachelin@univ-reunion.fr Message-ID: <3AD1B987.274BED90@univ-reunion.fr> Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2001 17:30:47 +0400 From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?G=E9rard?= Gachelin Organization: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Universit=E9?= de la =?iso-8859-1?Q?R=E9union?= X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (X11; U; SunOS 5.8 sun4u) X-Accept-Language: fr, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: netatalk-admins@umich.edu Subject: problem installing netatalk under Solaris 8 Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/x-pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha1; boundary="------------ms8729D59149F4A331D67600CF" This is a cryptographically signed message in MIME format. --------------ms8729D59149F4A331D67600CF Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello, I am installing netatalk 1.4b2+asun2.1.4 on an Enterprise 250 (ultrasparc) running Solaris 8. Compilation was working fine. But during make kinstall, the installer sends this message : add_drv -m '* 0666 root sys' ddp devfsadm: driver failed to attach: ddp Warning: Driver (ddp) successfully added to system but failed to attach sync;sync;sync And there is no /dev/ddp created. 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Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Can anyone tell me what I have to do for the files that my mac creates to have correct permissions? I am running the 1.4b2+asun build and this part of it has always worked in the past but now after upgrading to and then downgrading from 1.5pre5 permissions are 664 instead of 775 or 774, which is causing some real annoying problems. Thanks! I've really been through a lot trying to get this back the way it was... Walt -~ Sometimes truth comes riding into history on the back of error. Reinhold Niebuhr From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Mon Apr 9 13:43:38 2001 Return-Path: Received: from easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.26]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id NAA22210 for ; Mon, 9 Apr 2001 13:43:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id NAA19905 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Mon, 9 Apr 2001 13:43:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id NAA19887 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Mon, 9 Apr 2001 13:43:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from truth.itfreedom.com (truth.itfreedom.com [206.225.63.176]) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with SMTP id NAA19804 for ; Mon, 9 Apr 2001 13:43:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 26146 invoked from network); 9 Apr 2001 17:43:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO h9k1k2) (192.168.0.46) by truth.itfreedom.com with SMTP; 9 Apr 2001 17:43:32 -0000 From: "Bryan Tholen" To: "Netatalk" Subject: FW: Netatalk issues Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2001 12:43:30 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Dont know if anyone read this the first time I sent it. Basically I need to figure out a way to migrate from DAVE resouce.frk to netatalk .AppleDouble with out recopying 15gigs of Quark/Illustrator files. The fixit4.11 extension to Quark makes it behave "better" but I still get the occasional "File is Locked" error and have to reboot. what is the compile time flag to use the old FLOCK scheme? This seems to have better results. Anyone having any problems using this besides the obvious locking issues between samba/netatalk? Also, has anyone run into the problem copying folder from the server to a client and back again I descibed below? It seems that the .AppleDouble folder should be replace or rebuild when copying the folder back to the server to avoid such problems. Thanks for your time and any info you can give me on these issues. Bryan -----Original Message----- From: Bryan Tholen [mailto:bryan@itfreedom.com] Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2001 2:04 PM To: netatalk-admins@umich.edu Subject: Netatalk issues I have been using DAVE from thursby software with one of my clients running a linux 2.2.17 server with the netatalk-asun2.1.4. It is a small network about 30 users; 25 PCs and 5 Mac clients. I have one of the Mac guys running netatalk for testing and he seems to like it however I have a couple of problems that I need to work out. is there anyway to move the resource.frk information stored by DAVE to .AppleDouble format to maintain the resource fork for all of the files on the server if we switch to Netatalk? This client has about 15gigs worth of image files/quark docs that I dont want to have to transfer to a Mac and back to the server if I can avoid it. I need the resource forks because they contain preview information for image files and are needed for fonts I am using. when copying a folder from the server to a Mac client the hidden folder .AppleDouble is copied along with it. If you change/delete or add a file to the folder and copy it back to the server so of the files disappear or are mangled because of the stale .AppleDouble folder that is copied. Maybe there is an option on the client to aviod hidden files? If not is there anyway to turn off transfer of the .AppleDouble folder down to the client? Is there any option for netatalk to truncate filenames longer than the Mac limit (31 i believe) so they may be viewed on a Mac client from the server? BTW, I have upgraded all my clients with the Quark Express 4.11fixit extension and they seem to be working with out any of the "File is locked" errors we had seen before. Can anyone else confirm that this extension fixes the problem? I am still not convinced and have even contemplated moving back to FLOCKS if the problem pops up again. Thanks for your time. From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Mon Apr 9 15:02:28 2001 Return-Path: Received: from kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.25]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id PAA25652 for ; Mon, 9 Apr 2001 15:02:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id PAA16347 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Mon, 9 Apr 2001 15:02:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id PAA16248 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Mon, 9 Apr 2001 15:02:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cacophonix.circlesquared.com ([193.133.196.154]) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id PAA15969 for ; Mon, 9 Apr 2001 15:02:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dogmatix.circlesquared.com (circlesquared.com) [193.133.196.147] by cacophonix.circlesquared.com with esmtp (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 14mgvL-0003vu-00; Mon, 09 Apr 2001 20:02:03 +0100 Sender: peter@circlesquared.com Message-ID: <3AD20730.3F6A8DE8@circlesquared.com> Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2001 20:02:08 +0100 From: Peter Risdon X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (X11; U; FreeBSD 4.2-RELEASE i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: netatalk-admins@umich.edu Subject: net range problems. Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I get the following when I try to /usr/local/etc/rc.d/netatalk.sh start on FreeBSD 4.2: netatalkNet (0) not in net-range (65280-65534). bind: Can't assign requested address bind: Can't assign requested address And I can't figure out why. Any help would be greatly appreciated. -- Peter Risdon circle squared 9 The Maltings, Millfield, Cottenham, Cambridge, CB4 8RE UK tel +44 1954 251097 fax +44 1954 252209 While every effort is made to ensure this mail and its attachments are free of viruses and other malicious software, recipients should take their own precautions. This mail is intended for the addressees only. Should you receive it inappropriately, please delete it and inform us by return mail to admin@circlesquared.com Unless otherwise stated, the opinions expressed in this mail are those of its author, and not statements made on behalf of the circle squared. From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Mon Apr 9 15:10:38 2001 Return-Path: Received: from funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.27]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id PAA25912 for ; Mon, 9 Apr 2001 15:10:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id PAA27994 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Mon, 9 Apr 2001 15:10:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id PAA25612 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Mon, 9 Apr 2001 15:10:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.euc.de (mail.euc.de [195.63.193.18]) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id PAA25563 for ; Mon, 9 Apr 2001 15:08:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from euc.de (euc-punktum.euc.de [195.63.193.116]) by mail.euc.de (8.9.3/8.9.3/SuSE Linux 8.9.3-0.1) with ESMTP id VAA03979; Mon, 9 Apr 2001 21:04:06 +0200 Message-ID: <3AD207A7.B6224FFF@euc.de> Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2001 21:03:56 +0200 From: Mac Conin Organization: EUC Online Service GmbH X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Bryan Tholen CC: Netatalk Subject: Re: FW: Netatalk issues References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hmmm Bryan Tholen wrote: > > Dont know if anyone read this the first time I sent it. Basically I need to > figure out a way to migrate from DAVE resouce.frk to netatalk .AppleDouble I don't know much about DAVE, but deleting the .AppleDouble files will cause in a rebuilding when users logging in next time. > extension to Quark makes it behave "better" but I still get the occasional > "File is Locked" error and have to reboot. what is the compile time flag to > use the old FLOCK scheme? This seems to have better results. ./configure --with-flock-locks should work. Anyone having > any problems using this besides the obvious locking issues between > samba/netatalk? Also, has anyone run into the problem copying folder from > the server to a client and back again I descibed below? It seems that the > .AppleDouble folder should be replace or rebuild when copying the folder > back to the server to avoid such problems. no not yet > > Bryan > > > when copying a folder from the server to a Mac client the hidden folder > .AppleDouble is copied along with it. If you change/delete or add a file to > the folder and copy it back to the server so of the files disappear or are > mangled because of the stale .AppleDouble folder that is copied. Maybe there > is an option on the client to aviod hidden files? If not is there anyway to > turn off transfer of the .AppleDouble folder down to the client? > > Is there any option for netatalk to truncate filenames longer than the Mac > limit (31 i believe) so they may be viewed on a Mac client from the server? > > BTW, I have upgraded all my clients with the Quark Express 4.11fixit > extension and they seem to be working with out any of the "File is locked" > errors we had seen before. Can anyone else confirm that this extension fixes > the problem? I am still not convinced and have even contemplated moving back > to FLOCKS if the problem pops up again. > > Thanks for your time. -- --schnipp-- best regards ----------------------------------------------------------- Mac Conin EUC Online Service GmbH mconin@euc.de D 50676 Koeln http://www.euc.de tel : +49-221-923 27 33 fax : +49-221-239 651 ----------------------------------------------------------- From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Mon Apr 9 15:13:44 2001 Return-Path: Received: from kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.25]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id PAA26023 for ; Mon, 9 Apr 2001 15:13:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id PAA03299 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Mon, 9 Apr 2001 15:13:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id PAA02854 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Mon, 9 Apr 2001 15:13:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dionysus.terrascope.com (www.terrascope.com [63.140.215.162]) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id PAA02089 for ; Mon, 9 Apr 2001 15:13:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from terrascope.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dionysus.terrascope.com (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f39JM8b31348; Mon, 9 Apr 2001 12:22:12 -0700 Sender: walt@dionysus.terrascope.com Message-ID: <3AD20BE0.D9462B91@terrascope.com> Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2001 12:22:08 -0700 From: Walt Reed X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.2 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Peter Risdon , netatalk-admins@umich.edu Subject: Re: net range problems. References: <3AD20730.3F6A8DE8@circlesquared.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit what do you have in your atalkd.conf file? it should just have the name of the interface you want netatalk to bind to, i.e. "eth0" on linux, not sure what on bsd. once the interface is in there, netatalk should add the rest when started. w Peter Risdon wrote: > I get the following when I try to > > /usr/local/etc/rc.d/netatalk.sh start > > on FreeBSD 4.2: > > netatalkNet (0) not in net-range (65280-65534). > bind: Can't assign requested address > bind: Can't assign requested address > > And I can't figure out why. Any help would be greatly appreciated. > > -- > Peter Risdon > circle squared > 9 The Maltings, > Millfield, > Cottenham, > Cambridge, > CB4 8RE > UK > tel +44 1954 251097 > fax +44 1954 252209 > > While every effort is made to ensure this mail and its attachments are > free of viruses and other malicious software, recipients should take > their own precautions. > > This mail is intended for the addressees only. Should you receive it > inappropriately, please delete it and inform us by return mail to > admin@circlesquared.com > > Unless otherwise stated, the opinions expressed in this mail are those > of its author, and not statements made on behalf of the circle squared. From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Mon Apr 9 15:19:19 2001 Return-Path: Received: from easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.26]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id PAA26384 for ; Mon, 9 Apr 2001 15:19:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id PAA13683 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Mon, 9 Apr 2001 15:19:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id PAA13670 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Mon, 9 Apr 2001 15:19:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.euc.de (mail.euc.de [195.63.193.18]) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id PAA13451 for ; Mon, 9 Apr 2001 15:19:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from euc.de (euc-punktum.euc.de [195.63.193.116]) by mail.euc.de (8.9.3/8.9.3/SuSE Linux 8.9.3-0.1) with ESMTP id VAA04035; Mon, 9 Apr 2001 21:14:40 +0200 Message-ID: <3AD20A21.7638D8B8@euc.de> Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2001 21:14:30 +0200 From: Mac Conin Organization: EUC Online Service GmbH X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Peter Risdon CC: netatalk-admins@umich.edu Subject: Re: net range problems. References: <3AD20730.3F6A8DE8@circlesquared.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu id PAA26384 hmmm. do you have 2 ethernet cards in your system? if so try running atalkd directly from the console. make sure afpd and atalkd are not running look into the /etc/atalk/atalkd.conf file and add '-seed' to it. e.g. eth0 -seed -phase 2 -net 300-500 -addr 352.96 -zone "others" -zone "admin" wait for atalkd coming up - it could take some time. after atalkd running take a look into the atalkd.conf file and see what addresses atalkd as assinged to itself. Peter Risdon wrote: > > I get the following when I try to > > /usr/local/etc/rc.d/netatalk.sh start > > on FreeBSD 4.2: > > netatalkNet (0) not in net-range (65280-65534). > bind: Can't assign requested address > bind: Can't assign requested address > > And I can't figure out why. Any help would be greatly appreciated. > > -- > Peter Risdon > circle squared > 9 The Maltings, > Millfield, > Cottenham, > Cambridge, > CB4 8RE > UK > tel +44 1954 251097 > fax +44 1954 252209 > > While every effort is made to ensure this mail and its attachments are > free of viruses and other malicious software, recipients should take > their own precautions. > > This mail is intended for the addressees only. Should you receive it > inappropriately, please delete it and inform us by return mail to > admin@circlesquared.com > > Unless otherwise stated, the opinions expressed in this mail are those > of its author, and not statements made on behalf of the circle squared. -- --schnipp-- mit freundlichen grüssen ----------------------------------------------------------- Mac Conin EUC Online Service GmbH Geschäftsführer Taubengasse 9 mconin@euc.de D 50676 Koeln http://www.euc.de HRB Köln 32038 tel : +49-221-923 27 33 fax : +49-221-239 651 ----------------------------------------------------------- EUC sponsort Clean up Cologne - eine Iniative der IHK Köln, der Abfallwirtschaftsbetriebe Köln (AWB) und dem Grünflächenamt der Stadt Köln. http://www.clean-up-cologne.de From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Mon Apr 9 15:45:06 2001 Return-Path: Received: from funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.27]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id PAA27334 for ; Mon, 9 Apr 2001 15:45:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id PAA18057 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Mon, 9 Apr 2001 15:44:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id PAA16932 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Mon, 9 Apr 2001 15:44:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cacophonix.circlesquared.com ([193.133.196.154]) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id PAA15152 for ; Mon, 9 Apr 2001 15:44:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dogmatix.circlesquared.com (circlesquared.com) [193.133.196.147] by cacophonix.circlesquared.com with esmtp (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 14mhYl-000453-00; Mon, 09 Apr 2001 20:42:47 +0100 Sender: peter@circlesquared.com Message-ID: <3AD210BD.122C5029@circlesquared.com> Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2001 20:42:53 +0100 From: Peter Risdon X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (X11; U; FreeBSD 4.2-RELEASE i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Walt Reed CC: netatalk-admins@umich.edu Subject: Re: net range problems. References: <3AD20730.3F6A8DE8@circlesquared.com> <3AD20BE0.D9462B91@terrascope.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thanks very much indeed. Every interface (there are three cards plus an IP4-IP6 tunnel) was in the atalkd.conf file. I commented out the ones I didn't need and it worked. Peter. Walt Reed wrote: > > what do you have in your atalkd.conf file? it should just have the name > of the interface you want netatalk to bind to, i.e. "eth0" on linux, not > sure what on bsd. once the interface is in there, netatalk should add the > rest when started. > > w > -- Peter Risdon circle squared 9 The Maltings, Millfield, Cottenham, Cambridge, CB4 8RE UK tel +44 1954 251097 fax +44 1954 252209 While every effort is made to ensure this mail and its attachments are free of viruses and other malicious software, recipients should take their own precautions. This mail is intended for the addressees only. Should you receive it inappropriately, please delete it and inform us by return mail to admin@circlesquared.com Unless otherwise stated, the opinions expressed in this mail are those of its author, and not statements made on behalf of the circle squared. From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Mon Apr 9 16:37:52 2001 Return-Path: Received: from funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.27]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id QAA00572 for ; Mon, 9 Apr 2001 16:37:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id QAA12645 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Mon, 9 Apr 2001 16:37:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id QAA12621 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Mon, 9 Apr 2001 16:37:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from zevils.com (ool-18b85c87.dyn.optonline.net [24.184.92.135]) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id QAA11962 for ; Mon, 9 Apr 2001 16:37:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] ident=dukenukm) by zevils.com with esmtp (Exim 3.22 #1 (Debian)) id 14miPf-0006yZ-00 for ; Mon, 09 Apr 2001 16:37:28 -0400 Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2001 16:37:27 -0400 (EDT) From: Flint Million X-Sender: To: Subject: sharing a mounted HFS volume Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Is there any possible way to share a volume mounted with the Linux implementation of the HFS filesystem? example: I've mounted a Mac-formatted zip disk on /mnt/zip, and it contains files like .finderinfo and .resource. Can these be easily mapped to netatalk-compatible sharing names? I do need write access to the Mac volume, for both data and resource forks. From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Mon Apr 9 19:52:06 2001 Return-Path: Received: from kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.25]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id TAA07779 for ; Mon, 9 Apr 2001 19:52:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id TAA09435 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Mon, 9 Apr 2001 19:52:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id TAA09409 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Mon, 9 Apr 2001 19:52:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from potsdam.edu (potsdam.edu [137.143.110.101]) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with SMTP id TAA09351 for ; Mon, 9 Apr 2001 19:52:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 12199 invoked by alias); 9 Apr 2001 23:52:11 -0000 Received: (qmail 12189 invoked by uid 0); 9 Apr 2001 23:52:10 -0000 Received: from comp10574.potsdam.edu (137.143.111.133) by potsdam.edu with SMTP; 9 Apr 2001 23:52:10 -0000 Subject: Re: sharing a mounted HFS volume From: Matthew Keller To: Flint Million Cc: netatalk-admins@umich.edu In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain X-Mailer: Evolution/0.10+cvs.2001.04.09.08.06 (Preview Release) Date: 09 Apr 2001 19:52:06 -0400 Message-Id: <986860326.13541.14.camel@comp10574.potsdam.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Yup works fine. If the media/mount is read/only, you won't have proper resource forks, which will seriously mess up the presentation of files in Mac file lists, but will work just fine (cosmetic mostly). Also, don't expect to just "double-click" on a data file and have the Mac correctly ascertain what kind of file it is- YMMV. On 09 Apr 2001 16:37:27 -0400, Flint Million wrote: > Is there any possible way to share a volume mounted with the Linux > implementation of the HFS filesystem? example: I've mounted a > Mac-formatted zip disk on /mnt/zip, and it contains files like .finderinfo > and .resource. Can these be easily mapped to netatalk-compatible sharing > names? I do need write access to the Mac volume, for both data and > resource forks. -- Matthew Keller Enterprise System Analyst Computing & Technology Services Information Services Division State University of NY at Potsdam http://mattwork.potsdam.edu/ From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Mon Apr 9 21:48:59 2001 Return-Path: Received: from easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.26]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id VAA11343 for ; Mon, 9 Apr 2001 21:48:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id VAA11522 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Mon, 9 Apr 2001 21:48:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id VAA11500 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Mon, 9 Apr 2001 21:48:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smart.visp-europe.psi.com (smart.visp-europe.psi.com [212.222.105.5]) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id VAA11451 for ; Mon, 9 Apr 2001 21:48:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ns11-n67-106.de.inter.net ([213.73.67.106] helo=athlet.deltaman.de) by smart.visp-europe.psi.com with esmtp (Exim 3.22 #1) id 14mnH5-0005Bv-00 for netatalk-admins@umich.edu; Tue, 10 Apr 2001 03:48:55 +0200 Received: from athlet (root@athlet.deltaman.de [192.168.1.1]) by athlet.deltaman.de (8.9.3/8.9.3/SuSE Linux 8.9.3-0.1) with SMTP id DAA14496 for ; Tue, 10 Apr 2001 03:48:17 +0200 From: Carsten Neumann Reply-To: deltor@snafu.de To: netatalk-admins@umich.edu Subject: Re: sharing a mounted HFS volume Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 03:00:55 +0200 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.0.28] Content-Type: text/plain References: <986860326.13541.14.camel@comp10574.potsdam.edu> In-Reply-To: <986860326.13541.14.camel@comp10574.potsdam.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <01041003481705.15849@athlet> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu id VAA11343 On Tue, 10 Apr 2001, Matthew Keller wrote: > Yup works fine. If the media/mount is read/only, you won't have proper > resource forks, which will seriously mess up the presentation of files > in Mac file lists, but will work just fine (cosmetic mostly). Also, > don't expect to just "double-click" on a data file and have the Mac > correctly ascertain what kind of file it is- YMMV. So what you say is "no, it doesn't"! Well function does mean for me having the finderinfo and resource fork properly translated, that applications can be executed and are not just simple files having a 0 bytes data fork and no resource fork. Also because of the missing finderinfo you will don't know the type/creator of files. Some applications refuse to open a file if it has not the appropriate creator/type. That makes most of the files and all applications useless. Or did I miss a netatalk feature to translate the files in the .finderinfo/.resource dirs into AppleDouble data which netatalk uses? I also don't know any mount option so that you will get .AppleDouble dirs instead of .finderinfo/.resource dirs. > > On 09 Apr 2001 16:37:27 -0400, Flint Million wrote: > > Is there any possible way to share a volume mounted with the Linux > > implementation of the HFS filesystem? example: I've mounted a > > Mac-formatted zip disk on /mnt/zip, and it contains files like .finderinfo > > and .resource. Can these be easily mapped to netatalk-compatible sharing > > names? I do need write access to the Mac volume, for both data and > > resource forks. For me it would be great to have a feature that I can read HFS CD-ROMs mounted on my Linux CD juke-box. Sometimes a program to convert between these two representations would suffice. Though it will waste disk-space and time. Does anyone know of such a feature or if there is work in progress that netatalk can properly handle HFS volumes? Thanks and kind regards Carsten From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Mon Apr 9 22:26:36 2001 Return-Path: Received: from kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.25]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id WAA12253 for ; Mon, 9 Apr 2001 22:26:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id WAA11754 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Mon, 9 Apr 2001 22:26:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id WAA11732 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Mon, 9 Apr 2001 22:26:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from potsdam.edu (potsdam.edu [137.143.110.101]) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with SMTP id WAA11679 for ; Mon, 9 Apr 2001 22:26:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 25436 invoked by alias); 10 Apr 2001 02:26:39 -0000 Received: (qmail 25426 invoked by uid 0); 10 Apr 2001 02:26:38 -0000 Received: from comp10574.potsdam.edu (137.143.111.133) by potsdam.edu with SMTP; 10 Apr 2001 02:26:38 -0000 Subject: Re: sharing a mounted HFS volume From: Matthew Keller To: deltor@snafu.de Cc: netatalk-admins@umich.edu In-Reply-To: <01041003481705.15849@athlet> References: <986860326.13541.14.camel@comp10574.potsdam.edu> <01041003481705.15849@athlet> Content-Type: text/plain X-Mailer: Evolution/0.10+cvs.2001.04.09.08.06 (Preview Release) Date: 09 Apr 2001 22:26:35 -0400 Message-Id: <986869595.13541.18.camel@comp10574.potsdam.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 On 10 Apr 2001 03:00:55 +0200, Carsten Neumann wrote: > So what you say is "no, it doesn't"! *sigh* Flint asked "Is there any possible way to share a volume mounted with the Linux implementation of the HFS filesystem?" The answer to that question *IS* "Yup works fine". Sure if you want resource fork functionality you'll be at a loss (as I mentioned). > Well function does mean for me having the finderinfo and resource fork > properly translated Aha! So you're judging my statement as wrong because of your definition of "function". Well so be it. We can quibble semantics all day long. > For me it would be great to have a feature that I can read HFS CD-ROMs mounted on my Linux > CD juke-box. > Sometimes a program to convert between these two representations would suffice. > Though it will waste disk-space and time. Someone posted a kludge to one of these lists eons ago.. I think it was linux-atalk@netspace.org, but I can't remember. > Does anyone know of such a feature or if there is work in progress that netatalk can properly > handle HFS volumes? To my knowledge, there is not such plan within the current contributors to the Netatalk source. This functionality DOES exist in proprietary extensions of Netatalk used by 3rd parties who don't like to share because the current licensing doesn't make them share. -- Matthew Keller Enterprise System Analyst Computing & Technology Services Information Services Division State University of NY at Potsdam http://mattwork.potsdam.edu/ From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Mon Apr 9 22:38:43 2001 Return-Path: Received: from easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.26]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id WAA12556 for ; Mon, 9 Apr 2001 22:38:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id WAA15732 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Mon, 9 Apr 2001 22:38:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id WAA15712 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Mon, 9 Apr 2001 22:38:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from email.wm.edu (mars.wm.edu [128.239.10.11]) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id WAA15553 for ; Mon, 9 Apr 2001 22:38:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from unix1 (unix1.wm.edu [128.239.10.21]) by email.wm.edu (2.1.2/8.9.1/Execmail 2.1) with ESMTP id WAA24559; Mon, 9 Apr 2001 22:38:18 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2001 22:37:47 -0400 (EDT) From: Rob Lineweaver To: Carsten Neumann cc: netatalk-admins@umich.edu Subject: Re: sharing a mounted HFS volume In-Reply-To: <01041003481705.15849@athlet> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > > Does anyone know of such a feature or if there is work in progress that netatalk can properly > handle HFS volumes? > I found this message in the archives: http://www.umich.edu/~rsug/netatalk/archive/admins/1999/1890.html It is dated several years ago so I don't know if it is still applicable. It speaks of an option that one specifies when mounting the HFS volume to enable netatalk to recognize the resource forks. I cannot find this option documented in mount's man page. I have seen syntax variously as mount -o fork=netatalk and mount -o afpd and do not know which is correct. I have never tried this myself. Surely someone in this forum knows something about this, though. At least I can tell you that at one time there was a solution to the problem you are facing. good luck, Rob Lineweaver :) From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Tue Apr 10 01:46:09 2001 Return-Path: Received: from funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.27]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id BAA17650 for ; Tue, 10 Apr 2001 01:46:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id BAA23693 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Tue, 10 Apr 2001 01:46:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id BAA23676 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Tue, 10 Apr 2001 01:46:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from iremia.univ-reunion.fr (iremia.univ-reunion.fr [194.199.73.10]) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id BAA23577 for ; Tue, 10 Apr 2001 01:45:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from univ-reunion.fr (clapas [194.199.73.34]) by iremia.univ-reunion.fr (8.9.1a/jtpda-5.3.1/jlo(98)) with ESMTP id JAA18684 ; Tue, 10 Apr 2001 09:45:59 +0400 (GMT+4) Sender: Gerard.Gachelin@univ-reunion.fr Message-ID: <3AD29D6A.4C52F80B@univ-reunion.fr> Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 09:43:06 +0400 From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?G=E9rard?= Gachelin Organization: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Universit=E9?= de la =?iso-8859-1?Q?R=E9union?= X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (X11; U; SunOS 5.8 sun4u) X-Accept-Language: fr, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: =?iso-8859-1?Q?G=E9rard?= Gachelin CC: netatalk-admins@umich.edu Subject: Re: problem installing netatalk under Solaris 8 References: <3AD1B987.274BED90@univ-reunion.fr> Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/x-pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha1; boundary="------------ms50CDD724F072CCE5B2B151ED" This is a cryptographically signed message in MIME format. --------------ms50CDD724F072CCE5B2B151ED Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable G=E9rard Gachelin wrote: > = > Hello, > = > I am installing netatalk 1.4b2+asun2.1.4 on an Enterprise 250 > (ultrasparc) running Solaris 8. > = > Compilation was working fine. > = > But during make kinstall, the installer sends this message : > = > add_drv -m '* 0666 root sys' ddp > devfsadm: driver failed to attach: ddp > Warning: Driver (ddp) successfully added to system but failed to attach= > sync;sync;sync > = > And there is no /dev/ddp created. > = It seems that gcc (v 2.95.2) is unable to create a 64 bit kernel. However, in README.SOLARIS, they give some indications to compile using this version of gcc. And I haven't the Sun C compiler. 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Tue, 10 Apr 2001 06:12:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id GAA07862 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Tue, 10 Apr 2001 06:12:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id GAA07844 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Tue, 10 Apr 2001 06:12:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from nernst.chem.gla.ac.uk (nernst.chem.gla.ac.uk [130.209.221.174]) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id GAA07806 for ; Tue, 10 Apr 2001 06:12:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cha.chem.gla.ac.uk ([130.209.220.103] ident=jonp) by nernst.chem.gla.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.02 #2) id 14mv8J-0000YO-00; Tue, 10 Apr 2001 11:12:23 +0100 Received: from localhost (jonp@localhost) by cha.chem.gla.ac.uk (8.8.7/feedernode) with ESMTP id LAA13884; Tue, 10 Apr 2001 11:11:31 +0100 (BST) X-Authentication-Warning: cha.chem.gla.ac.uk: jonp owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 11:11:31 +0100 (BST) From: Jonathan Paisley To: Carsten Neumann cc: Subject: Re: sharing a mounted HFS volume In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 9 Apr 2001, Rob Lineweaver wrote: I've managed to get HFS cdroms under linux (2.2.17) to work fine. # mount -t hfs /dev/cdrom /mnt/hfscd -o ro,afpd You'll need to adjust the volume name in AppleVolumes as appropriate. Here's a script that does that (I've got /mnt/hfscd in my fstab as above): [not the neatest of scripts but it seems to work] #!/bin/sh #offset 85 is start of volume name if mount /mnt/hfscd; then VOL=`cat /mnt/hfscd/.AppleDouble/.Parent | cut -b 87-106 | tr -d '\0'` cat > $HOME/.AppleVolumes < > > > Does anyone know of such a feature or if there is work in progress that netatalk can properly > > handle HFS volumes? > > > > I found this message in the archives: > http://www.umich.edu/~rsug/netatalk/archive/admins/1999/1890.html > It is dated several years ago so I don't know if it is still applicable. > > It speaks of an option that one specifies when mounting the HFS volume to > enable netatalk to recognize the resource forks. I cannot find this > option documented in mount's man page. I have seen syntax variously as > mount -o fork=netatalk > and > mount -o afpd > and do not know which is correct. I have never tried this myself. Surely > someone in this forum knows something about this, though. At least I can > tell you that at one time there was a solution to the problem you are > facing. > > good luck, > > Rob Lineweaver > :) > > -- Jonathan Paisley jonp@chem.gla.ac.uk From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Tue Apr 10 12:42:22 2001 Return-Path: Received: from kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.25]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id MAA09307 for ; Tue, 10 Apr 2001 12:42:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id MAA17945 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Tue, 10 Apr 2001 12:42:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id MAA17922 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Tue, 10 Apr 2001 12:42:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.euc.de (mail.euc.de [195.63.193.18]) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id MAA17882 for ; Tue, 10 Apr 2001 12:42:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from euc.de (euc-punktum.euc.de [195.63.193.116]) by mail.euc.de (8.9.3/8.9.3/SuSE Linux 8.9.3-0.1) with ESMTP id SAA13407 for ; Tue, 10 Apr 2001 18:37:50 +0200 Message-ID: <3AD336E0.BD0538FF@euc.de> Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 18:37:51 +0200 From: Mac Conin Organization: EUC Online Service GmbH X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "netatalk-admins@umich.edu" Subject: simple question Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu id MAA09307 Hi I would like to set up a volume shared by more than one client. How do I have to setup the confs that each client gets his own trashcan for that specific volume? I've fiddled around with the users .AppleVolumes and Applevolumes.default but ther must be something more :) -- --schnipp-- best regards ----------------------------------------------------------- Mac Conin EUC Online Service GmbH mconin@euc.de D 50676 Koeln http://www.euc.de tel : +49-221-923 27 33 fax : +49-221-239 651 ----------------------------------------------------------- EUC sponsort Clean up Cologne - eine Iniative der IHK Köln From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Tue Apr 10 19:36:13 2001 Return-Path: Received: from funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.27]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id TAA07966 for ; Tue, 10 Apr 2001 19:36:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id TAA14137 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Tue, 10 Apr 2001 19:36:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id TAA14115 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Tue, 10 Apr 2001 19:36:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smart.visp-europe.psi.com (smart.visp-europe.psi.com [212.222.105.5]) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id TAA14065 for ; Tue, 10 Apr 2001 19:36:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ns11-n67-086.de.inter.net ([213.73.67.86] helo=athlet.deltaman.de) by smart.visp-europe.psi.com with esmtp (Exim 3.22 #1) id 14n7g9-0001gg-00 for netatalk-admins@umich.edu; Wed, 11 Apr 2001 01:36:10 +0200 Received: from athlet (root@athlet.deltaman.de [192.168.1.1]) by athlet.deltaman.de (8.9.3/8.9.3/SuSE Linux 8.9.3-0.1) with SMTP id BAA30581 for ; Wed, 11 Apr 2001 01:34:02 +0200 From: Carsten Neumann Reply-To: deltor@snafu.de To: netatalk-admins@umich.edu Subject: Re: sharing a mounted HFS volume Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 22:16:16 +0200 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.0.28] Content-Type: text/plain References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <01041101340207.15849@athlet> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu id TAA07966 On Tue, 10 Apr 2001, Jonathan Paisley wrote: > On Mon, 9 Apr 2001, Rob Lineweaver wrote: > > I've managed to get HFS cdroms under linux (2.2.17) to work fine. > > # mount -t hfs /dev/cdrom /mnt/hfscd -o ro,afpd > > You'll need to adjust the volume name in AppleVolumes as appropriate. > Here's a script that does that (I've got /mnt/hfscd in my fstab as above): > [not the neatest of scripts but it seems to work] > > #!/bin/sh > > #offset 85 is start of volume name > > if mount /mnt/hfscd; then > > VOL=`cat /mnt/hfscd/.AppleDouble/.Parent | cut -b 87-106 | tr -d '\0'` > > cat > $HOME/.AppleVolumes < /mnt/hfscd "$VOL" > EOT > > fi > > Beware that with some versions of netatalk, afpd will die when accessing > files on such a filesystem. I'm using pre5 (with permissions patch) and > it's fine. Thanks a lot! The afpd option works. But then I stumpled into that "afpd death" at AppleShare mount attempt. (I was using 1.4b2+asun2.1.3.) So after downloading the 1.5pre5 sources, configuring (with --with-shadow option!), compiling and installing I could successfully mount the CD on my Mac. Regarding your script: I found the volume name not at offset 85 or 87 but at 218! I'm still using kernel 2.2.13 (SuSE 6.3). Thanks and kind regards Carsten From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Tue Apr 10 23:58:21 2001 Return-Path: Received: from easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.26]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id XAA16597 for ; Tue, 10 Apr 2001 23:58:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id XAA26629 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Tue, 10 Apr 2001 23:58:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id XAA26602 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Tue, 10 Apr 2001 23:58:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from iremia.univ-reunion.fr (iremia.univ-reunion.fr [194.199.73.10]) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id XAA26292 for ; Tue, 10 Apr 2001 23:58:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from univ-reunion.fr (clapas [194.199.73.34]) by iremia.univ-reunion.fr (8.9.1a/jtpda-5.3.1/jlo(98)) with ESMTP id HAA25404 for ; Wed, 11 Apr 2001 07:58:03 +0400 (GMT+4) Sender: Gerard.Gachelin@univ-reunion.fr Message-ID: <3AD3D59B.43CBDA12@univ-reunion.fr> Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 07:55:07 +0400 From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?G=E9rard?= Gachelin Organization: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Universit=E9?= de la =?iso-8859-1?Q?R=E9union?= X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (X11; U; SunOS 5.8 sun4u) X-Accept-Language: fr, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: netatalk-admins@umich.edu Subject: problem starting afpd Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/x-pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha1; boundary="------------msE5E7C8DE8787B9123AEF3A47" This is a cryptographically signed message in MIME format. --------------msE5E7C8DE8787B9123AEF3A47 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello, I just installed netatalk 1.4b2+asun2.1.4 on an Ultrasparc server running Solaris 8 (compilation with the Sun C compiler). When afpd starts, it sends the following message in /var/adm/messages : Apr 11 07:54:15 helios afpd[610]: [ID 272954 daemon.error] uam_load(uams_dhx.so): failed to load: ld.so.1: /usr/local/netatalk/sbin/afpd: fatal: relocation error: file /usr/local/netatalk/etc/uams/uams_dhx.so: symbol __eprintf: referenced symbol not found Thanks for any help. -- = G=E9rard GACHELIN e-mail : gg@univ-reunion.fr = Universit=E9 de la R=E9union T=E9l: 0262 93 82 72 = 15, Avenue Ren=E9 Cassin - BP 7151 Fax: 0262 93 82 60 97715 Saint-Denis MESSAG-CEDEX 9 --------------msE5E7C8DE8787B9123AEF3A47 Content-Type: application/x-pkcs7-signature; name="smime.p7s" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="smime.p7s" Content-Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature MIIH9gYJKoZIhvcNAQcCoIIH5zCCB+MCAQExCzAJBgUrDgMCGgUAMAsGCSqGSIb3DQEHAaCC BckwggKYMIICAaADAgECAgMEPf0wDQYJKoZIhvcNAQEEBQAwgZIxCzAJBgNVBAYTAlpBMRUw EwYDVQQIEwxXZXN0ZXJuIENhcGUxEjAQBgNVBAcTCUNhcGUgVG93bjEPMA0GA1UEChMGVGhh d3RlMR0wGwYDVQQLExRDZXJ0aWZpY2F0ZSBTZXJ2aWNlczEoMCYGA1UEAxMfUGVyc29uYWwg RnJlZW1haWwgUlNBIDIwMDAuOC4zMDAeFw0wMTAyMjIxMjM5NTFaFw0wMjAyMjIxMjM5NTFa MFExHzAdBgNVBAMTFlRoYXd0ZSBGcmVlbWFpbCBNZW1iZXIxLjAsBgkqhkiG9w0BCQEWH0dl cmFyZC5HYWNoZWxpbkB1bml2LXJldW5pb24uZnIwgZ8wDQYJKoZIhvcNAQEBBQADgY0AMIGJ AoGBAKuc1nbYFt+3JumY3IgjqjBubtfEJq7hUlc3AvT4YgvUZLGM8d1NZFA4NOW99XHogNGX KtlITgGE1oxjAy/BNe3UX6H6xfahVcbytouwXnsLMewVYIdXETQ6X0Eqf5Zu82ro7d0xs2GH SvYxFHGj5eD4AXmMxRqLBIRXmnTsvS8RAgMBAAGjPDA6MCoGA1UdEQQjMCGBH0dlcmFyZC5H YWNoZWxpbkB1bml2LXJldW5pb24uZnIwDAYDVR0TAQH/BAIwADANBgkqhkiG9w0BAQQFAAOB gQDSfIFuEQit8eZQl93dX81Km6EfQMd8sioWp7hRAa+YT6MWUSG0cqSZ3q4fwc2/ueDaMG1m KEsrQM9amwYR8489ioDxXYO0rumLWwDn+NdeGq6lpfzPLXIaLeAC9/vfudn6yrSc8EzYBhoL NluhVukL0r8tHbYSRsg2ssnEZrOE0jCCAykwggKSoAMCAQICAQwwDQYJKoZIhvcNAQEEBQAw gdExCzAJBgNVBAYTAlpBMRUwEwYDVQQIEwxXZXN0ZXJuIENhcGUxEjAQBgNVBAcTCUNhcGUg VG93bjEaMBgGA1UEChMRVGhhd3RlIENvbnN1bHRpbmcxKDAmBgNVBAsTH0NlcnRpZmljYXRp b24gU2VydmljZXMgRGl2aXNpb24xJDAiBgNVBAMTG1RoYXd0ZSBQZXJzb25hbCBGcmVlbWFp bCBDQTErMCkGCSqGSIb3DQEJARYccGVyc29uYWwtZnJlZW1haWxAdGhhd3RlLmNvbTAeFw0w MDA4MzAwMDAwMDBaFw0wMjA4MjkyMzU5NTlaMIGSMQswCQYDVQQGEwJaQTEVMBMGA1UECBMM V2VzdGVybiBDYXBlMRIwEAYDVQQHEwlDYXBlIFRvd24xDzANBgNVBAoTBlRoYXd0ZTEdMBsG A1UECxMUQ2VydGlmaWNhdGUgU2VydmljZXMxKDAmBgNVBAMTH1BlcnNvbmFsIEZyZWVtYWls IFJTQSAyMDAwLjguMzAwgZ8wDQYJKoZIhvcNAQEBBQADgY0AMIGJAoGBAN4zMqZjxwklRT7S bngnZ4HF2ogZgpcO40QpimM1Km1wPPrcrvfudG8wvDOQf/k0caCjbZjxw0+iZdsN+kvx1t1h pfmFzVWaNRqdknWoJ67Ycvm6AvbXsJHeHOmr4BgDqHxDQlBRh4M88Dm0m1SKE4f/s5udSWYA LQmJ7JRr6aFpAgMBAAGjTjBMMCkGA1UdEQQiMCCkHjAcMRowGAYDVQQDExFQcml2YXRlTGFi ZWwxLTI5NzASBgNVHRMBAf8ECDAGAQH/AgEAMAsGA1UdDwQEAwIBBjANBgkqhkiG9w0BAQQF AAOBgQBzG28mZYv/FTRLWWKK7US+ScfoDbuPuQ1qJipihB+4h2N0HG23zxpTkUvhzeY42e1Q 9DpsNJKs5pKcbsEjAcIJp+9LrnLdBmf1UG8uWLi2C8FQV7XsHNfvF7bViJu3ooga7TlbOX00 /LaWGCVNavSdxcORL6mWuAU8Uvzd6WIDSDGCAfUwggHxAgEBMIGaMIGSMQswCQYDVQQGEwJa QTEVMBMGA1UECBMMV2VzdGVybiBDYXBlMRIwEAYDVQQHEwlDYXBlIFRvd24xDzANBgNVBAoT BlRoYXd0ZTEdMBsGA1UECxMUQ2VydGlmaWNhdGUgU2VydmljZXMxKDAmBgNVBAMTH1BlcnNv bmFsIEZyZWVtYWlsIFJTQSAyMDAwLjguMzACAwQ9/TAJBgUrDgMCGgUAoIGxMBgGCSqGSIb3 DQEJAzELBgkqhkiG9w0BBwEwHAYJKoZIhvcNAQkFMQ8XDTAxMDQxMTAzNTUwN1owIwYJKoZI hvcNAQkEMRYEFCfv56o2/NIVRFqWgIHFmFTY/wzpMFIGCSqGSIb3DQEJDzFFMEMwCgYIKoZI hvcNAwcwDgYIKoZIhvcNAwICAgCAMAcGBSsOAwIHMA0GCCqGSIb3DQMCAgFAMA0GCCqGSIb3 DQMCAgEoMA0GCSqGSIb3DQEBAQUABIGAX/yTFeqdG62pPduNLyd/0kcsSCu+wF87mo7MD3R+ KpDQNwiD/ecuBHPd4H+W8dPkJMzM33Mz6C3j0O33jVlPpPFaQzKlrLLXjVaM+Jo/2ZU0QJoC cEzHu/e/QflC/ECRetK4c4eMHr8ypnw2sZascFIlPBvc6w8rLX0coIn7k+A= --------------msE5E7C8DE8787B9123AEF3A47-- From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Wed Apr 11 05:37:38 2001 Return-Path: Received: from funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.27]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id FAA24662 for ; Wed, 11 Apr 2001 05:37:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id FAA09767 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Wed, 11 Apr 2001 05:37:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id FAA09741 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Wed, 11 Apr 2001 05:37:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from local (customer-host-145.yellowspace.net [213.183.5.145]) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with SMTP id FAA09677 for ; Wed, 11 Apr 2001 05:37:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [213.183.5.146] ([213.183.5.146] verified) by local (Stalker SMTP Server 1.7) with ESMTP id S.0000015828 for ; Wed, 11 Apr 2001 11:39:53 +0200 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: lopez.on.the.lists@mail.yellowspace.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <3116406356.986663917@[192.168.1.2]> Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 11:37:35 +0200 To: netatalk-admins@umich.edu From: Lorenzo Perone Subject: Re: Filename Length Trickery Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 7:17 Uhr -0400 09.04.2001, Ryan McBeth wrote: > Alon, > > In all honesty, one of the best ways to fix this problem involves no programming at all. > Use Social engineering. > > Let your employees know, through their employee handbook, or their initial training, that you can't make filenames greater than 31 characters. > > Believe it or not, this approach can work. > > Ryan Did You try this patch on Your customers as well? ;;-) Lorenzo From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Wed Apr 11 05:43:28 2001 Return-Path: Received: from funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.27]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id FAA24771 for ; Wed, 11 Apr 2001 05:43:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id FAA21150 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Wed, 11 Apr 2001 05:43:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id FAA21127 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Wed, 11 Apr 2001 05:43:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from local (customer-host-145.yellowspace.net [213.183.5.145] (may be forged)) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with SMTP id FAA21070 for ; Wed, 11 Apr 2001 05:43:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [213.183.5.146] ([213.183.5.146] verified) by local (Stalker SMTP Server 1.7) with ESMTP id S.0000015832 for ; Wed, 11 Apr 2001 11:45:44 +0200 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: lopez.on.the.lists@mail.yellowspace.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <5.0.2.1.2.20010409114219.00a5ad20@fred.net> References: <5.0.2.1.2.20010409114219.00a5ad20@fred.net> Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 11:43:26 +0200 To: netatalk-admins@umich.edu From: Lorenzo Perone Subject: Re: permissions, eh? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 12:06 Uhr -0400 09.04.2001, Walt wrote: >Can anyone tell me what I have to do >for the files that my mac creates to >have correct permissions? I am running >the 1.4b2+asun build and this part of it >has always worked in the past but now >after upgrading to and then downgrading >from 1.5pre5 permissions are 664 >instead of 775 or 774, which is causing >some real annoying problems. I've only had some problems with directories in the past - but what about chmod 2771 for dirs (which makes the group stick to the files and dirs created inside a folder), and chmod 660 for files? I had also to set the umask in each user's shell profile (i set it to 117). At my site it works fine - occasionally I have to run a script to resume the rights - since Netatalk has no setting like samba's ... Are your mac clients writing software for Your UX? Why do you need them 2 be executable? :-) Lorenzo From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Wed Apr 11 06:11:24 2001 Return-Path: Received: from easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.26]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id GAA25338 for ; Wed, 11 Apr 2001 06:11:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id GAA27894 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Wed, 11 Apr 2001 06:11:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id GAA27868 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Wed, 11 Apr 2001 06:11:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dns2.northox.ac.uk (dns2.northox.ac.uk [195.194.168.132]) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id GAA27812 for ; Wed, 11 Apr 2001 06:11:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.northox.ac.uk (mail.northox.ac.uk [195.194.168.139]) by dns2.northox.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3/SuSE Linux 8.9.3-0.1) with ESMTP id KAA29991 for ; Wed, 11 Apr 2001 10:11:05 GMT Received: from BANBURY1/SpoolDir by mail.northox.ac.uk (Mercury 1.48); 11 Apr 01 11:07:20 +0000 Received: from SpoolDir by BANBURY1 (Mercury 1.48); 11 Apr 01 11:06:39 +0000 Received: from [192.168.3.51] (192.168.3.51) by mail.northox.ac.uk (Mercury 1.48) with ESMTP; 11 Apr 01 11:06:30 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: tallett@192.168.1.2 Message-Id: Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 11:10:10 +0100 To: netatalk umich From: trevor allett Subject: is it possible (new to list) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="============_-1225138681==_ma============" --============_-1225138681==_ma============ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" ...Hi, I just need to know if i am barking up the wrong tree or not, i have a server running SuSE Linux 7 with Netatalk, everything works well and there are no problems, so far so good. What i want to do is have access to two shares (on the same server), one that is my own personal area and one which is the "MacAdmin" area that other members of IT Support have access to, so far i have managed this by using the "AppleVolumes"-file-in-the-home-directory-of-each-user trick and this works if i then create a group that only I and "MacAdmin" belong to and the permissions on each of our home directories are; drwxrws--- . the only problem is that the Network Trash Folder keeps appearing as a drop box with a regularity that i haven't been able to pin down yet, it seems to be some thing to do with who owns the Network Trash Folder on the others volume, if you see what I mean. any way thanks for listening, -- ============================== Trevor Allett IT Support unit North Oxfordshire College, Banbury, Oxfordshire. 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...Hi,
I just need to know if i am barking up the wrong tree or not,

i have a server running SuSE Linux 7 with Netatalk, everything works well and there are no problems,

so far so good.

What i want to do is have access to two shares (on the same server), one that is my own personal area and one which is the "MacAdmin" area that other members of IT Support have access to, so far i have managed this by using the "AppleVolumes"-file-in-the-home-directory-of-each-user trick and this works if i then create a group that only I and "MacAdmin" belong to and the permissions on each of our home directories are; drwxrws--- . the only problem is that the Network Trash Folder keeps appearing as a drop box with a regularity that i haven't been able to pin down yet, it seems to be some thing to do with who owns  the Network Trash Folder on the others volume, if you see what I mean.

any way thanks for listening,
--
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Banbury,
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--============_-1225138681==_ma============-- From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Wed Apr 11 10:31:40 2001 Return-Path: Received: from kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.25]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id KAA02654 for ; Wed, 11 Apr 2001 10:31:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id KAA15137 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Wed, 11 Apr 2001 10:31:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id KAA15118 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Wed, 11 Apr 2001 10:31:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from nernst.chem.gla.ac.uk (nernst.chem.gla.ac.uk [130.209.221.174]) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id KAA15061 for ; Wed, 11 Apr 2001 10:31:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from london.chem.gla.ac.uk ([130.209.221.166] ident=jonp) by nernst.chem.gla.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.02 #2) id 14nLeh-00040E-00; Wed, 11 Apr 2001 15:31:35 +0100 Received: from localhost (jonp@localhost) by london.chem.gla.ac.uk (8.8.7/feedernode) with ESMTP id PAA03307; Wed, 11 Apr 2001 15:31:29 +0100 (BST) X-Authentication-Warning: london.chem.gla.ac.uk: jonp owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 15:31:29 +0100 (BST) From: Jonathan Paisley To: Carsten Neumann cc: Subject: Re: sharing a mounted HFS volume In-Reply-To: <01041101340207.15849@athlet> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 10 Apr 2001, Carsten Neumann wrote: > The afpd option works. But then I stumpled into that "afpd death" at > AppleShare mount attempt. (I was using 1.4b2+asun2.1.3.) So after > downloading the 1.5pre5 sources, configuring (with --with-shadow > option!), compiling and installing I could successfully mount the CD > on my Mac. Great! I remember that this thing used to work with 1.4b2+asun2.1.3 but then stopped. I suppose the HFS filesystem module was perhaps changed between now and then. > Regarding your script: > I found the volume name not at offset 85 or 87 but at 218! > I'm still using kernel 2.2.13 (SuSE 6.3). Hmmn. Maybe the AppleDouble format has changed a little in the HFS filesystem driver. I must admit that I haven't actually used that script since 1.4b2+asun2.1.3 stopped working :) And now you mention it, I also notice that I didn't keep the comments up to date particularly well! Glad you got it working! > On Tue, 10 Apr 2001, Jonathan Paisley wrote: > > On Mon, 9 Apr 2001, Rob Lineweaver wrote: > > > > I've managed to get HFS cdroms under linux (2.2.17) to work fine. > > > > # mount -t hfs /dev/cdrom /mnt/hfscd -o ro,afpd > > > > You'll need to adjust the volume name in AppleVolumes as appropriate. > > Here's a script that does that (I've got /mnt/hfscd in my fstab as above): > > [not the neatest of scripts but it seems to work] > > > > #!/bin/sh > > > > #offset 85 is start of volume name > > > > if mount /mnt/hfscd; then > > > > VOL=`cat /mnt/hfscd/.AppleDouble/.Parent | cut -b 87-106 | tr -d '\0'` > > > > cat > $HOME/.AppleVolumes < > /mnt/hfscd "$VOL" > > EOT > > > > fi > > > > Beware that with some versions of netatalk, afpd will die when accessing > > files on such a filesystem. I'm using pre5 (with permissions patch) and > > it's fine. > -- Jonathan Paisley jonp@chem.gla.ac.uk From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Wed Apr 11 11:00:29 2001 Return-Path: Received: from kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.25]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id LAA03799 for ; Wed, 11 Apr 2001 11:00:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id LAA00135 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Wed, 11 Apr 2001 11:00:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id LAA00085 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Wed, 11 Apr 2001 11:00:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cmr2.ash.ops.us.uu.net (cmr2.ash.ops.us.uu.net [198.5.241.40]) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id LAA29774 for ; Wed, 11 Apr 2001 11:00:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imr3.ash.ops.us.uu.net by cmr2.ash.ops.us.uu.net with ESMTP (peer crosschecked as: imr3.ash.ops.us.uu.net [153.39.43.47]) id QQkkho03054 for ; Wed, 11 Apr 2001 15:00:10 GMT Received: from [153.39.168.155] by imr3.ash.ops.us.uu.net with ESMTP (peer crosschecked as: ippool168-155.corp.us.uu.net [153.39.168.155]) id QQkkhn15646 for ; Wed, 11 Apr 2001 14:59:19 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: zer0@mail.mac.com Message-Id: Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 10:58:53 -0400 To: netatalk-admins@umich.edu From: David Subject: Error message + files disappearing Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" I've noticed folders disappearing recently on on the my netatalk servers. I looked at /var/log/messages and found some errors like this: Apr 11 10:44:01 macsupport afpd[771]: WARNING: DID conflict for 'Nostalgia' and 'Eudora Folder'. Are these the same file? Apr 11 10:44:32 macsupport last message repeated 5 times Apr 11 10:44:57 macsupport last message repeated 6 times Some of the behavior I noticed. Somehow the 'Nostalgia' folder just showed up in place of 'Eudora folder'. Meanwhile the folder is called 'Eudora Folder' in Unix... Eventually the folders disappeared and its "parent" folder went with it. Then other folders further up the hierarchy begin to disappear...this is bad. I don't have any clue what a DID conflict is but it seems to be a huge problem. Other folders that don't seem to have an associated DID conflict are going away as well. Luckily this is a temporary storage location and not a production box with lots of users! If anyone has some ideas I would love to here all about them. Thanks, David Shaub. From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Wed Apr 11 11:57:51 2001 Return-Path: Received: from easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.26]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id LAA05834 for ; Wed, 11 Apr 2001 11:57:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id LAA17790 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Wed, 11 Apr 2001 11:57:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id LAA17728 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Wed, 11 Apr 2001 11:57:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from potsdam.edu (potsdam.edu [137.143.110.101]) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with SMTP id LAA17538 for ; Wed, 11 Apr 2001 11:57:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 3815 invoked by alias); 11 Apr 2001 15:57:47 -0000 Received: (qmail 3803 invoked by uid 0); 11 Apr 2001 15:57:46 -0000 Received: from comp10574.potsdam.edu (137.143.111.133) by potsdam.edu with SMTP; 11 Apr 2001 15:57:46 -0000 Subject: Re: Error message + files disappearing From: Matthew Keller To: David Cc: netatalk-admins@umich.edu In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain X-Mailer: Evolution/0.10+cvs.2001.04.11.08.00 (Preview Release) Date: 11 Apr 2001 11:57:38 -0400 Message-Id: <987004658.3108.1.camel@comp10574.potsdam.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 What version of Netatalk? On 11 Apr 2001 10:58:53 -0400, David wrote: > I've noticed folders disappearing recently on on the my netatalk > servers. I looked at /var/log/messages and found some errors like > this: > > Apr 11 10:44:01 macsupport afpd[771]: WARNING: DID conflict for > 'Nostalgia' and 'Eudora Folder'. Are these the same file? > Apr 11 10:44:32 macsupport last message repeated 5 times > Apr 11 10:44:57 macsupport last message repeated 6 times > > Some of the behavior I noticed. Somehow the 'Nostalgia' folder just > showed up in place of 'Eudora folder'. Meanwhile the folder is > called 'Eudora Folder' in Unix... Eventually the folders disappeared > and its "parent" folder went with it. Then other folders further up > the hierarchy begin to disappear...this is bad. I don't have any > clue what a DID conflict is but it seems to be a huge problem. Other > folders that don't seem to have an associated DID conflict are going > away as well. Luckily this is a temporary storage location and not a > production box with lots of users! > > If anyone has some ideas I would love to here all about them. > > Thanks, > > David Shaub. > > -- Matthew Keller Enterprise System Analyst Computing & Technology Services Information Services Division State University of NY at Potsdam http://mattwork.potsdam.edu/ From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Wed Apr 11 13:58:51 2001 Return-Path: Received: from kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.25]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id NAA10170 for ; Wed, 11 Apr 2001 13:58:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id NAA05909 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Wed, 11 Apr 2001 13:58:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id NAA05895 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Wed, 11 Apr 2001 13:58:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from htcengineers.com (adsl-63-198-196-215.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [63.198.196.215]) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id NAA05864 for ; Wed, 11 Apr 2001 13:58:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from htc2 (htc2 [192.168.1.2]) by htcengineers.com (8.11.1/8.11.1) with SMTP id f3BDw3H00850 for ; Wed, 11 Apr 2001 09:58:12 -0400 Reply-To: From: "Waleed Alrawi" To: Subject: FW: files and disks locks!! Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 11:03:26 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 -----Original Message----- From: Bill Brehm [mailto:wwb@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu] Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2001 10:07 AM To: walrawi@htcengineers.com Subject: Re: files and disks locks!! netatalk@umich.edu is to report bugs reports for an old version of netatalk. Try sending your question to netatalk-admins@umich.edu. > From: "Waleed Alrawi" > To: > Greetings > > > I have spend around 32hrs trying to make this work, and counting. > > I have the following situation i am running netatalk 1.5pre2-4.i386.rpm on > 2.2.17-14smp( I have tried other rpms) kernel (rh6.2). on the apple side I > am running a Mac compatible using Mac OS 7.6 200MHz and 64Meg ram. Again, I > can see the Linux box in the chooser However, I cannot write to the Linux > box. I get the following error: The item cannot be written because it is > locked or the disk is full or locked.". any ideas or suggestions I have > spent many hours trying to figure this one out. > Oh by the way it does crate an empty file on the linux box. > > Thanks From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Wed Apr 11 18:14:22 2001 Return-Path: Received: from funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.27]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id SAA23802 for ; Wed, 11 Apr 2001 18:14:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id SAA28804 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Wed, 11 Apr 2001 18:14:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id SAA28785 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Wed, 11 Apr 2001 18:14:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from server2.bluemer.de (pD9006DB6.dip.t-dialin.net [217.0.109.182]) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id SAA28737 for ; Wed, 11 Apr 2001 18:14:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bluemer.de (bert2.bluemer.de [192.168.20.3]) by server2.bluemer.de (8.9.3/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA07795 for ; Thu, 12 Apr 2001 00:13:57 +0200 Message-ID: <3AD4D724.CF1BBCD1@bluemer.de> Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 00:13:56 +0200 From: Bert =?iso-8859-1?Q?Bl=FCmer?= X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [de]C-CCK-MCD QXW03200 (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: de,en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Netatalk Subject: Problem: maccode.iso8859-1 with netatalk 1.5 References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi there, Since i am using netatalk 1.5 (out-of-the-box with SuSE 7.1) i have a problem regarding the use of a codepage. If i declare in AppleVolumes. default the following /data/mac Testvolume codepage:maccode.iso8859-1 the codepage is not used. The files are written to the Linux-Filesystem in the ':' -manner, disregarding if this codepage option is set or not. I have checked the synthax several times, but i cant find any errors. I have tried /data/mac Testvolume options:mswindows too, same Problem. Syslog does not complain about a missing file or nls-directory or something. A look in the binary of afpd shows that the nlspath was O.K. at compile time; there can be found '/etc/atalk/nls/', so i think afpd searches at the right place. The files in /etc/atalk/nls are world-readable. Any hints would save my day. Thx + Regards, Bert -- Bert Blümer Am Vogelsfeldchen 16 D-51373 Leverkusen +49 214 4000851 +49 214 4000852 From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Wed Apr 11 18:18:16 2001 Return-Path: Received: from easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.26]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id SAA24081 for ; Wed, 11 Apr 2001 18:18:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id SAA10959 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Wed, 11 Apr 2001 18:18:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id SAA10933 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Wed, 11 Apr 2001 18:18:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from htcengineers.com (adsl-63-198-196-215.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [63.198.196.215]) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id SAA10874 for ; Wed, 11 Apr 2001 18:18:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from htc2 (htc2 [192.168.1.2]) by htcengineers.com (8.11.1/8.11.1) with SMTP id f3BIHaH01026 for ; Wed, 11 Apr 2001 14:17:36 -0400 Reply-To: From: "Waleed Alrawi" To: Subject: netatalk problem Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 15:23:06 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0015_01C0C29B.4EBF8E70" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0015_01C0C29B.4EBF8E70 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Greetings I have spend around 32hrs trying to make this work, and counting. I have the following situation i am running netatalk 1.5pre2-4.i386.rpm on 2.2.17-14smp( I have tried other rpms) kernel (rh6.2). on the apple side I am running a Mac compatible using Mac OS 7.6 200MHz and 64Meg ram. Again, I can see the Linux box in the chooser However, I cannot write to the Linux box. I get the following error: The item cannot be written because it is locked or the disk is full or locked.". any ideas or suggestions I have spent many hours trying to figure this one out. Oh by the way it does crate an empty file on the linux box. Please respond to me directly or cc me since I am not on the mailing list. the following is a partial list of my messages: " Apr 11 14:48:43 faa atalkd[1292]: restart (1.5pre5) Apr 11 14:48:44 faa atalkd[1292]: zip_getnetinfo for eth0 Apr 11 14:49:03 faa last message repeated 2 times Apr 11 14:49:13 faa atalkd[1292]: config for no router Apr 11 14:49:14 faa atalkd[1292]: ready 0/0/0 Apr 11 14:49:14 faa atalk: atalkd startup succeeded Apr 11 14:49:26 faa papd[1303]: restart (1.5pre5) Apr 11 14:49:26 faa atalk: papd startup succeeded Apr 11 14:49:27 faa atalk: timelord startup succeeded Apr 11 14:49:27 faa atalk: afpd startup succeeded Apr 11 14:49:33 faa timelord[1312]: faa:TimeLord started Apr 11 14:49:33 faa afpd[1321]: faa:AFPServer@* started on 65280.174:252 (1.5pre5) Apr 11 14:49:33 faa afpd[1321]: ASIP started on 192.168.1.50:548(1) (1.5pre5) Apr 11 14:49:33 faa afpd[1321]: uam: uams_guest.so loaded Apr 11 14:49:33 faa afpd[1321]: uam: uams_clrtxt.so loaded Apr 11 14:49:33 faa afpd[1321]: uam: uams_dhx.so loaded Apr 11 14:49:33 faa afpd[1321]: uam: "DHCAST128" available Apr 11 14:49:33 faa afpd[1321]: uam: "Cleartxt Passwrd" available Apr 11 14:49:33 faa afpd[1321]: uam: "No User Authent" available Apr 11 14:53:28 faa afpd[1326]: session from 65280.1:243 on 65280.174:253 Apr 11 14:53:28 faa afpd[1326]: cleartext login: walrawi Apr 11 14:53:28 faa PAM_pwdb[1326]: (netatalk) session opened for user walrawi by (uid=0) Apr 11 14:53:28 faa afpd[1326]: login walrawi (uid 500, gid 500) Apr 11 15:00:41 faa afpd[1326]: setdirowner: chown -1/0 .AppleDouble/.Parent: Operation not permitted Thanks for your healp ------=_NextPart_000_0015_01C0C29B.4EBF8E70 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Greetings


I have spend around 32hrs trying = to make=20 this work, and counting.

I have the following situation i am = running=20 netatalk 1.5pre2-4.i386.rpm on
2.2.17-14smp( I have tried other rpms) = kernel=20 (rh6.2). on the apple side I
am running a Mac compatible using Mac OS = 7.6=20 200MHz and 64Meg ram. Again, I
can see the Linux box in the chooser = However,=20 I cannot write to the Linux
box. I get the following error: The item = cannot=20 be written because it is
locked or the disk is full or locked.". any = ideas or=20 suggestions I have
spent many hours trying to figure this one = out.
Oh by=20 the way it does crate an empty file on the linux box.

Please respond to me directly or cc me since I am not = on the=20 mailing list.


the following is a partial list = of my=20 messages:
"
Apr 11 14:48:43 faa = atalkd[1292]: restart=20 (1.5pre5)
Apr 11 14:48:44 faa atalkd[1292]: zip_getnetinfo for = eth0
Apr 11=20 14:49:03 faa last message repeated 2 times
Apr 11 14:49:13 faa = atalkd[1292]:=20 config for no router
Apr 11 14:49:14 faa atalkd[1292]: ready = 0/0/0
Apr 11=20 14:49:14 faa atalk: atalkd startup succeeded
Apr 11 14:49:26 faa = papd[1303]:=20 restart (1.5pre5)
Apr 11 14:49:26 faa atalk: papd startup = succeeded
Apr 11=20 14:49:27 faa atalk: timelord startup succeeded
Apr 11 14:49:27 faa = atalk:=20 afpd startup succeeded
Apr 11 14:49:33 faa timelord[1312]: = faa:TimeLord=20 started
Apr 11 14:49:33 faa afpd[1321]: faa:AFPServer@* started on=20 65280.174:252 (1.5pre5)
Apr 11 14:49:33 faa afpd[1321]: ASIP started = on=20 192.168.1.50:548(1) (1.5pre5)
Apr 11 14:49:33 faa afpd[1321]: uam:=20 uams_guest.so loaded
Apr 11 14:49:33 faa afpd[1321]: uam: = uams_clrtxt.so=20 loaded
Apr 11 14:49:33 faa afpd[1321]: uam: uams_dhx.so loaded
Apr = 11=20 14:49:33 faa afpd[1321]: uam: "DHCAST128" available
Apr 11 14:49:33 = faa=20 afpd[1321]: uam: "Cleartxt Passwrd" available
Apr 11 14:49:33 faa = afpd[1321]:=20 uam: "No User Authent" available
Apr 11 14:53:28 faa afpd[1326]: = session from=20 65280.1:243 on 65280.174:253
Apr 11 14:53:28 faa afpd[1326]: = cleartext login:=20 walrawi
Apr 11 14:53:28 faa PAM_pwdb[1326]: (netatalk) session opened = for=20 user walrawi by (uid=3D0)
Apr 11 14:53:28 faa afpd[1326]: login = walrawi (uid=20 500, gid 500)
Apr 11 15:00:41 faa afpd[1326]: setdirowner: chown -1/0 = .AppleDouble/.Parent: Operation not = permitted




Thanks=20 for your healp

------=_NextPart_000_0015_01C0C29B.4EBF8E70-- From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Wed Apr 11 18:59:33 2001 Return-Path: Received: from kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.25]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id SAA25489 for ; Wed, 11 Apr 2001 18:59:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id SAA13038 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Wed, 11 Apr 2001 18:59:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id SAA12992 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Wed, 11 Apr 2001 18:59:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from galaxy.tbird.com (galaxy.tbird.com [199.72.122.9]) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id SAA12929 for ; Wed, 11 Apr 2001 18:59:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from eagle.tbird.com (eagle.tbird.com [199.72.122.7]) by galaxy.tbird.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) with SMTP id SAA11758; Wed, 11 Apr 2001 18:57:15 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200104112257.SAA11758@galaxy.tbird.com> Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 18:59:10 -0400 (EDT) From: rnf Reply-To: rnf Subject: Re: problem starting afpd To: Gerard.Gachelin@univ-reunion.fr, netatalk-admins@umich.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-MD5: 0IlHQytDs7XT0ebDNWw8/Q== X-Mailer: dtmail 1.3.0 @(#)CDE Version 1.4 SunOS 5.8 sun4m sparc > Hello, > > I just installed netatalk 1.4b2+asun2.1.4 on an Ultrasparc server > running Solaris 8 (compilation with the Sun C compiler). > > When afpd starts, it sends the following message in /var/adm/messages : > > Apr 11 07:54:15 helios afpd[610]: [ID 272954 daemon.error] > uam_load(uams_dhx.so): failed to load: ld.so.1: > /usr/local/netatalk/sbin/afpd: fatal: relocation error: file > /usr/local/netatalk/etc/uams/uams_dhx.so: symbol __eprintf: referenced > symbol not found > > Thanks for any help. Hi, I had a similar problem because I had installed Solaris 8 without some of the library support that loading a "development system" gives you. You may be able to go back and install the compatibility libraries and development support stuff nd make it work. I don't know why this isn't caught at compile time with netatalk. I guess it just assumes the libraries are there. I also had a system that had another AppleTalk package on it that was removed before netatalk was installed. It didn't work either, probably because the de-install of the pld package didn't remove everything. A symptom of this was that the netstat command didn't work either. I had to reinstall Solaris to fix that one. Hope this helps, Rick From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Wed Apr 11 22:18:17 2001 Return-Path: Received: from funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.27]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id WAA01304 for ; Wed, 11 Apr 2001 22:18:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id WAA16503 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Wed, 11 Apr 2001 22:18:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id WAA16462 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Wed, 11 Apr 2001 22:18:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smart.visp-europe.psi.com (smart.visp-europe.psi.com [212.222.105.5]) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id WAA16406 for ; Wed, 11 Apr 2001 22:18:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ns08-n66-175.de.inter.net ([213.73.66.175] helo=athlet.deltaman.de) by smart.visp-europe.psi.com with esmtp (Exim 3.22 #1) id 14nWgX-0002Sk-00 for netatalk-admins@umich.edu; Thu, 12 Apr 2001 04:18:13 +0200 Received: from athlet (root@athlet.deltaman.de [192.168.1.1]) by athlet.deltaman.de (8.9.3/8.9.3/SuSE Linux 8.9.3-0.1) with SMTP id EAA02846 for ; Thu, 12 Apr 2001 04:17:03 +0200 From: Carsten Neumann Reply-To: deltor@snafu.de To: netatalk-admins@umich.edu Subject: Cannot print any longer Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 03:53:50 +0200 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.0.28] Content-Type: text/plain MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <01041204170300.00584@athlet> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu id WAA01304 Hi all, I just installed netatalk 1.5pre5. Afpd and papd seem to work well for me, but I cannot print any more to my AppleTalk printer. I was using 1.4b2+asun2.1.3 before and printing worked fine. Now I have a serious PAP problem. An interactive pap dialog showed the following: athlet:~ # pap -p Lasie Trying 65280.226:202 ... status: waiting; source: AppleTalk ... status: waiting; source: AppleTalk status: busy; source: AppleTalk ... status: busy; source: AppleTalk status: idle Connected to Lasie:LaserWriter@*. Bad status response! athlet:~ # Downgrading to 1.4b2+asun2.1.3 verified that I still can print with the old netatalk software. But I need the new one because of the afpd death when AppleSharing HFS CDs. Thanks in advance, regards Carsten From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Thu Apr 12 05:27:45 2001 Return-Path: Received: from kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.25]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id FAA12628 for ; Thu, 12 Apr 2001 05:27:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id FAA13420 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Thu, 12 Apr 2001 05:27:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id FAA13409 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Thu, 12 Apr 2001 05:27:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from nernst.chem.gla.ac.uk (nernst.chem.gla.ac.uk [130.209.221.174]) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id FAA13383 for ; Thu, 12 Apr 2001 05:27:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from london.chem.gla.ac.uk ([130.209.221.166] ident=jonp) by nernst.chem.gla.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.02 #2) id 14ndO9-0002Pq-00; Thu, 12 Apr 2001 10:27:41 +0100 Received: from localhost (jonp@localhost) by london.chem.gla.ac.uk (8.8.7/feedernode) with ESMTP id KAA06665; Thu, 12 Apr 2001 10:27:36 +0100 (BST) X-Authentication-Warning: london.chem.gla.ac.uk: jonp owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 10:27:36 +0100 (BST) From: Jonathan Paisley To: Carsten Neumann cc: Subject: Re: Cannot print any longer In-Reply-To: <01041204170300.00584@athlet> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII You might be able to use the old papd binary in conjunction with the new afpd. That would solve the problem in the interim. I'm not sure how papd interacts with atalkd, and how stable that interface has been over the recent versions. If it's ok, then things should still run. If you're not interested in AFP over DDP, then you could always use the atalkd for the old distribution too (then afpd will only use TCP/IP) if there is such a problem. On Thu, 12 Apr 2001, Carsten Neumann wrote: > I just installed netatalk 1.5pre5. > Afpd and papd seem to work well for me, but I cannot print any more > to my AppleTalk printer. > I was using 1.4b2+asun2.1.3 before and printing worked fine. > Now I have a serious PAP problem. > An interactive pap dialog showed the following: > > > athlet:~ # pap -p Lasie > Trying 65280.226:202 ... > status: waiting; source: AppleTalk > ... > status: waiting; source: AppleTalk > status: busy; source: AppleTalk > ... > status: busy; source: AppleTalk > status: idle > Connected to Lasie:LaserWriter@*. > Bad status response! > athlet:~ # > > > Downgrading to 1.4b2+asun2.1.3 verified that I still can > print with the old netatalk software. > But I need the new one because of the afpd death when AppleSharing > HFS CDs. > > Thanks in advance, regards > > Carsten > > -- Jonathan Paisley jonp@chem.gla.ac.uk From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Thu Apr 12 06:24:50 2001 Return-Path: Received: from easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.26]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id GAA14053 for ; Thu, 12 Apr 2001 06:24:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id GAA10900 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Thu, 12 Apr 2001 06:24:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id GAA10891 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Thu, 12 Apr 2001 06:24:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60]) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id GAA10855 for ; Thu, 12 Apr 2001 06:24:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 208-59-113-219.c3-0.129-ubr2.lnh-129.md.cable.rcn.com ([208.59.113.219] helo=nat1) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.16 #5) id 14neHP-0007kq-00 for netatalk-admins@umich.edu; Thu, 12 Apr 2001 06:24:47 -0400 Message-ID: <01a601c0c33a$b3e73f10$0300a8c0@nat1.rcn.com> From: "Nathaniel Pendleton" To: Subject: Fixing many broken resource forks quickly Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 06:24:05 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 I have a bunch of broken resource forks from Mac files (e.g. hqx, sit, bin) downloaded on a PC and PC/Mac interchangeable files (mp3, jpg, gif, doc). How do I fix them? I can edit each one with res edit, but what a drag. Is there a tool for fixing a bunch of files at once? A free tool? If not, is there a software developer that could fix this? 1. Search for all files with type "TEXT" creator "LMAN" and suggest fixing them. 2. Search for files with PC dot3 endings and no fork and fixing them. pdf, jpg, mp3, gif, tif, doc, hqx, sit, and bin -Nathaniel From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Thu Apr 12 08:46:48 2001 Return-Path: Received: from easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.26]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id IAA17453 for ; Thu, 12 Apr 2001 08:46:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id IAA13683 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Thu, 12 Apr 2001 08:46:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id IAA13658 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Thu, 12 Apr 2001 08:46:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from potsdam.edu (potsdam.edu [137.143.110.101]) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with SMTP id IAA13555 for ; Thu, 12 Apr 2001 08:46:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 26271 invoked by alias); 12 Apr 2001 12:46:51 -0000 Received: (qmail 26258 invoked by uid 0); 12 Apr 2001 12:46:50 -0000 Received: from comp10574.potsdam.edu (137.143.111.133) by potsdam.edu with SMTP; 12 Apr 2001 12:46:50 -0000 Subject: Re: Fixing many broken resource forks quickly From: Matthew Keller To: Netatalk-Admins List Cc: LINUX-ATALK@NETSPACE.ORG In-Reply-To: <019c01c0c33a$6b3dddf0$0300a8c0@nat1.rcn.com> References: <019c01c0c33a$6b3dddf0$0300a8c0@nat1.rcn.com> Content-Type: text/plain X-Mailer: Evolution/0.10+cvs.2001.04.11.08.00 (Preview Release) Date: 12 Apr 2001 08:46:42 -0400 Message-Id: <987079602.3108.12.camel@comp10574.potsdam.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 One could say that *adding* resource forks is actually breaking them, not fixing them. ;) But that aside, you could upload them to a Netatalk server with a properly configured AppleVolumes.system, which will magically DISPLAY the files as if they had the proper type/creator information. (it doesn't actually CHANGE the t/c, AFAIK). On 12 Apr 2001 06:22:03 -0400, Nathaniel Pendleton wrote: > I have a bunch of broken resource forks > from Mac files (e.g. hqx, sit, bin) downloaded on a PC > and PC/Mac interchangeable files (mp3, jpg, gif, doc). > > How do I fix them? > > I can edit each one with res edit, but what a drag. > Is there a tool for fixing a bunch of files at once? A free tool? > > If not, is there a software developer that could fix this? > 1. Search for all files with type "TEXT" creator "LMAN" > and suggest fixing them. > 2. Search for files with PC dot3 endings and no fork and fixing them. > pdf, jpg, mp3, gif, tif, doc, hqx, sit, and bin > > -Nathaniel > -- Matthew Keller Enterprise System Analyst Computing & Technology Services Information Services Division State University of NY at Potsdam http://mattwork.potsdam.edu/ From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Thu Apr 12 10:03:25 2001 Return-Path: Received: from easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.26]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id KAA19763 for ; Thu, 12 Apr 2001 10:03:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id KAA18894 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Thu, 12 Apr 2001 10:03:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id KAA18874 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Thu, 12 Apr 2001 10:03:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from postoffice.mail.cornell.edu (postoffice.mail.cornell.edu [132.236.56.7]) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id KAA18702 for ; Thu, 12 Apr 2001 10:03:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [128.84.239.190] (harrier.ee.cornell.edu [128.84.239.190]) by postoffice.mail.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA04976; Thu, 12 Apr 2001 10:02:40 -0400 (EDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: rz10@postoffice.mail.cornell.edu Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <01a601c0c33a$b3e73f10$0300a8c0@nat1.rcn.com> References: <01a601c0c33a$b3e73f10$0300a8c0@nat1.rcn.com> Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 10:01:45 -0400 To: "Nathaniel Pendleton" , From: Ray Zimmerman Subject: Re: Fixing many broken resource forks quickly Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" At 6:24 AM -0400 4/12/01, Nathaniel Pendleton wrote: >I have a bunch of broken resource forks >from Mac files (e.g. hqx, sit, bin) downloaded on a PC >and PC/Mac interchangeable files (mp3, jpg, gif, doc). > >How do I fix them? > >I can edit each one with res edit, but what a drag. >Is there a tool for fixing a bunch of files at once? A free tool? > >If not, is there a software developer that could fix this? >1. Search for all files with type "TEXT" creator "LMAN" >and suggest fixing them. >2. Search for files with PC dot3 endings and no fork and fixing them. >pdf, jpg, mp3, gif, tif, doc, hqx, sit, and bin > >-Nathaniel What do you mean by broken resource forks? If you mean files with the wrong type and creator, my favorite tools are FileTyper and Typer. With Typer you can easily set up a mapping of file extensions to file TYPE/CREATOR pairs and then batch process them all at one shot. FileTyper is even more flexible in what it can do, but not as convenient for some things. Oh ... btw, they're both Mac programs (check www.versiontracker.com) ... Typer is free and FileTyper is shareware ($5 last I knew). Ray From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Thu Apr 12 14:14:11 2001 Return-Path: Received: from kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.25]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id OAA08079 for ; Thu, 12 Apr 2001 14:14:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id OAA22183 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Thu, 12 Apr 2001 14:14:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id OAA22175 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Thu, 12 Apr 2001 14:14:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from keam1 (keam1.vcc.bc.ca [142.30.247.21]) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with SMTP id OAA22137 for ; Thu, 12 Apr 2001 14:14:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from VCC-Message_Server by keam1 with Novell_GroupWise; Thu, 12 Apr 2001 11:14:29 -0700 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 5.5.4.1 Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 11:14:00 -0700 From: "Bryn Hughes" To: Subject: Re: URGENT -- Strange troubles with "atalk" on Linux... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu id OAA08079 This is a very well known problem. It affects Quark with all sorts of servers... I've seen it on Novell, WinNT, even AppleShare IP servers. The fact that it only happens with Quark gives you a clue as to where the problem is... Bryn >>> Rainer Hantsch - 4/12/01 8:28 AM >>> Dear Gentlemen, some months ago I installed at two of my customers LINUX servers. These servers basically work very fine, but there is one particular problem and I have absolutely no further idea about how to fix it. Therefore I PLEASE you to help. -- Thanks in advance. Systems: -------- Both companies run SuSE Linux 6.4 (kernel 2.2.17 || kernel 2.2.14). Meanwhile both of them run a special version of atalkd and afpd which is used from a friend since a lot of time and fixes many connection troubles which occure with the originally included atalk-version. So everything is fine with all macintosh applications, EXCEPT QUARK XPRESS. I contacted Quark Inc., and they already KNOW this problem, but they cannot reliabily reproduce it. So they have it on the to-do list, but currently they have no fix for it. Problem: -------- While all other programs have no problems with working on/with files on the SuSE server, XPRESS permanently has difficulties. It can i.e. open files from the server, but you cannot save them after editing. Also, "save as" does not work! The problem grows, because it is also very problematic to print jobs if they are stored on the server. As emergency workaround, they currently copy all required files to the local disk on the Macs before editing and store them back after doing the work (or forget to do that and cause hereby "data chaos")... Interesting is that one of the companies also has a helios machine, where no such problems exist, so I guess that XPRESS does something or uses some features which are supported by helios, but not by atalkd/afpd. My questions: ------------- o Do you already know this problem? o Do you have a version of appletalk which is trouble-free? o Do you know at least a better workaround than working local? Please, be so kind and HELP. Both companies are strongly handicaped because of this nasty problem and are currently not very happy therefore. Thanks in advance for your soon answer, Ing. Rainer Hantsch \\|// Ing. Rainer HANTSCH - Hardware + Software (o o) Your Partner - Your Supplier - Your Friend! --oOOo-(_)-oOOo-------------------------------------------------- Ing. Rainer HANTSCH | e-Mail: office@hantsch.co.at Khunngasse 21/20 | www : http://www.hantsch.co.at A-1030 Vienna | Tel. : ++43 - 1 - 7988538 0 ---------------------| Fax : ++43 - 1 - 7988538 18 ** AUSTRIA ** | Mobile: ++43 - 663 - 9194382 ----------------------------------------------------------------- From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Thu Apr 12 14:30:27 2001 Return-Path: Received: from funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.27]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id OAA09071 for ; Thu, 12 Apr 2001 14:30:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id OAA28477 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Thu, 12 Apr 2001 14:30:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id OAA28447 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Thu, 12 Apr 2001 14:30:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from neuman.interaccess.com (from.interaccess.com [207.208.131.20]) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id OAA28351 for ; Thu, 12 Apr 2001 14:30:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [192.168.1.118] (a10.240.208.207.ded25.interaccess.com [207.208.240.10]) by neuman.interaccess.com (8.10.2/8.10.2) with ESMTP id f3CIUMp23088 for ; Thu, 12 Apr 2001 13:30:22 -0500 (CDT) User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 13:30:22 -0500 Subject: 1.5pre6 From: "Bruce A. Burdick, Jr." To: Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit I just spotted this on Freshmeat.net. Anyone installed this yet? http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=8642 I'm hoping to clear some time this weekend! Thanks to the development team for pressing on! -B... From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Thu Apr 12 14:38:01 2001 Return-Path: Received: from funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.27]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id OAA09774 for ; Thu, 12 Apr 2001 14:38:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id OAA10039 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Thu, 12 Apr 2001 14:37:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id OAA09999 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Thu, 12 Apr 2001 14:37:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.euc.de (mail.euc.de [195.63.193.18]) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id OAA09929 for ; Thu, 12 Apr 2001 14:37:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from euc.de (euc-punktum.euc.de [195.63.193.116]) by mail.euc.de (8.9.3/8.9.3/SuSE Linux 8.9.3-0.1) with ESMTP id UAA02740; Thu, 12 Apr 2001 20:33:20 +0200 Message-ID: <3AD5F4F3.85F1E6F2@euc.de> Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 20:33:26 +0200 From: Mac Conin Organization: EUC Online Service GmbH X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Bruce A. Burdick, Jr." CC: netatalk-admins@umich.edu Subject: Re: 1.5pre6 References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu id OAA09774 I've installed it on Suse kernel 2.2.16 and it seems to work with the following backdraw (but maybe it while I#m not THE guru) .. ./configure --enable-suse --with-shadow --with-pam --with-flock-locks resulting in a version, where only guest can log in, but having no problems with file permissions. Then I edited the /etc/pam.d/netatalk file to: auth required /lib/security/pam_unix.so account required /lib/security/pam_unix.so #password required /lib/security/pam_cracklib.so #password required /lib/security/pam_pwdb.so shadow use_authtok session required /lib/security/pam_unix.so .. for the first tries - it seems to work "Bruce A. Burdick, Jr." wrote: > > I just spotted this on Freshmeat.net. Anyone installed this yet? > > http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=8642 > > I'm hoping to clear some time this weekend! > > Thanks to the development team for pressing on! > > -B... -- --schnipp-- mit freundlichen grüssen ----------------------------------------------------------- Mac Conin EUC Online Service GmbH Geschäftsführer Taubengasse 9 mconin@euc.de D 50676 Koeln http://www.euc.de HRB Köln 32038 tel : +49-221-923 27 33 fax : +49-221-239 651 ----------------------------------------------------------- EUC sponsort Clean up Cologne - eine Iniative der IHK Köln, der Abfallwirtschaftsbetriebe Köln (AWB) und dem Grünflächenamt der Stadt Köln. http://www.clean-up-cologne.de From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Thu Apr 12 15:35:45 2001 Return-Path: Received: from kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.25]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id PAA12853 for ; Thu, 12 Apr 2001 15:35:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id PAA23779 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Thu, 12 Apr 2001 15:35:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id PAA23755 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Thu, 12 Apr 2001 15:35:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smart.visp-europe.psi.com (smart.visp-europe.psi.com [212.222.105.5]) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id PAA23718 for ; Thu, 12 Apr 2001 15:35:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ns08-n66-154.de.inter.net ([213.73.66.154] helo=athlet.deltaman.de) by smart.visp-europe.psi.com with esmtp (Exim 3.22 #1) id 14nmsX-0001rC-00 for netatalk-admins@umich.edu; Thu, 12 Apr 2001 21:35:41 +0200 Received: from athlet (root@athlet.deltaman.de [192.168.1.1]) by athlet.deltaman.de (8.9.3/8.9.3/SuSE Linux 8.9.3-0.1) with SMTP id VAA25442 for ; Thu, 12 Apr 2001 21:34:32 +0200 From: Carsten Neumann Reply-To: deltor@snafu.de To: netatalk-admins@umich.edu Subject: Re: Cannot print any longer Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 19:13:25 +0200 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.0.28] Content-Type: text/plain References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <01041221343101.00584@athlet> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu id PAA12853 On Thu, 12 Apr 2001, Jonathan Paisley wrote: > You might be able to use the old papd binary in conjunction with the new > afpd. That would solve the problem in the interim. > No, not really. ;-) I (mostly) don't want to print onto a spooler of my linux box, but via the famous program "pap" from my linux box to an AppleTalk printer. And the new papd seems to work, data from my Mac arrived on my linux box. It's just the other way ... :-( > I'm not sure how papd interacts with atalkd, and how stable that interface > has been over the recent versions. If it's ok, then things should still > run. If you're not interested in AFP over DDP, then you could always use > the atalkd for the old distribution too (then afpd will only use TCP/IP) > if there is such a problem. > I do use DDP exclusively, running MacOS 7.6.1 on my IIfx (no AppleTalk via IP!). 7.6.1 is the latest - and last - for that machine. So, no way! > On Thu, 12 Apr 2001, Carsten Neumann wrote: > > > I just installed netatalk 1.5pre5. > > Afpd and papd seem to work well for me, but I cannot print any more > > to my AppleTalk printer. > > I was using 1.4b2+asun2.1.3 before and printing worked fine. > > Now I have a serious PAP problem. > > An interactive pap dialog showed the following: > > > > > > athlet:~ # pap -p Lasie > > Trying 65280.226:202 ... > > status: waiting; source: AppleTalk > > ... > > status: waiting; source: AppleTalk > > status: busy; source: AppleTalk > > ... > > status: busy; source: AppleTalk > > status: idle > > Connected to Lasie:LaserWriter@*. > > Bad status response! > > athlet:~ # > > > > > > Downgrading to 1.4b2+asun2.1.3 verified that I still can > > print with the old netatalk software. > > But I need the new one because of the afpd death when AppleSharing > > HFS CDs. > > > > Thanks in advance, regards > > > > Carsten Thank you for your reply Carsten From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Thu Apr 12 16:07:37 2001 Return-Path: Received: from kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.25]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id QAA13762 for ; Thu, 12 Apr 2001 16:07:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id QAA04237 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Thu, 12 Apr 2001 16:07:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id QAA04230 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Thu, 12 Apr 2001 16:07:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from nernst.chem.gla.ac.uk (nernst.chem.gla.ac.uk [130.209.221.174]) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id QAA04204 for ; Thu, 12 Apr 2001 16:07:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from london.chem.gla.ac.uk ([130.209.221.166] ident=jonp) by nernst.chem.gla.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.02 #2) id 14nnNK-0006n3-00; Thu, 12 Apr 2001 21:07:30 +0100 Received: from localhost (jonp@localhost) by london.chem.gla.ac.uk (8.8.7/feedernode) with ESMTP id VAA08879; Thu, 12 Apr 2001 21:07:24 +0100 (BST) X-Authentication-Warning: london.chem.gla.ac.uk: jonp owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 21:07:24 +0100 (BST) From: Jonathan Paisley To: Carsten Neumann cc: Subject: Re: Cannot print any longer In-Reply-To: <01041221343101.00584@athlet> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 12 Apr 2001, Carsten Neumann wrote: > On Thu, 12 Apr 2001, Jonathan Paisley wrote: > > You might be able to use the old papd binary in conjunction with the new > > afpd. That would solve the problem in the interim. > > No, not really. ;-) > I (mostly) don't want to print onto a spooler of my linux box, > but via the famous program "pap" from my linux box to an AppleTalk printer. > And the new papd seems to work, data from my Mac arrived on my linux box. > It's just the other way ... :-( Duh! Silly me. I should have read your original message more thoroughly. Sorry. Would it be foolish of me to ask if you've tried the pap from the old distro with the new one? -- Jonathan Paisley jonp@chem.gla.ac.uk From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Thu Apr 12 16:35:15 2001 Return-Path: Received: from easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.26]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id QAA15106 for ; Thu, 12 Apr 2001 16:35:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id QAA21003 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Thu, 12 Apr 2001 16:35:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id QAA20952 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Thu, 12 Apr 2001 16:35:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smart.visp-europe.psi.com (smart.visp-europe.psi.com [212.222.105.5]) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id QAA20900 for ; Thu, 12 Apr 2001 16:35:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ns01-n71-198.de.inter.net ([213.73.71.198] helo=athlet.deltaman.de) by smart.visp-europe.psi.com with esmtp (Exim 3.22 #1) id 14nno5-00079c-00 for netatalk-admins@umich.edu; Thu, 12 Apr 2001 22:35:09 +0200 Received: from athlet (root@athlet.deltaman.de [192.168.1.1]) by athlet.deltaman.de (8.9.3/8.9.3/SuSE Linux 8.9.3-0.1) with SMTP id WAA25743 for ; Thu, 12 Apr 2001 22:34:10 +0200 From: Carsten Neumann Reply-To: deltor@snafu.de To: netatalk-admins@umich.edu Subject: Re: Cannot print any longer Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 22:27:31 +0200 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.0.28] Content-Type: text/plain References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <01041222341002.00584@athlet> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu id QAA15106 On Thu, 12 Apr 2001, Jonathan Paisley wrote: > On Thu, 12 Apr 2001, Carsten Neumann wrote: > > > On Thu, 12 Apr 2001, Jonathan Paisley wrote: > > > You might be able to use the old papd binary in conjunction with the new > > > afpd. That would solve the problem in the interim. > > > > No, not really. ;-) > > I (mostly) don't want to print onto a spooler of my linux box, > > but via the famous program "pap" from my linux box to an AppleTalk printer. > > And the new papd seems to work, data from my Mac arrived on my linux box. > > It's just the other way ... :-( > > Duh! Silly me. I should have read your original message more thoroughly. > Sorry. > > Would it be foolish of me to ask if you've tried the pap from the old > distro with the new one? No, it wouldn't. ;-) But I tried this, of course. It cannot even lookup the NBP name, and since there is no way to circumvent this lookup it fails before reading the status from the printer. Regards Carsten From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Thu Apr 12 18:24:52 2001 Return-Path: Received: from easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.26]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id SAA18868 for ; Thu, 12 Apr 2001 18:24:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id SAA05758 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Thu, 12 Apr 2001 18:24:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id SAA05737 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Thu, 12 Apr 2001 18:24:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from despair.sowrong.org (syr-24-24-23-149.twcny.rr.com [24.24.23.149]) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id SAA05695 for ; Thu, 12 Apr 2001 18:24:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from cjc26@localhost) by despair.sowrong.org (8.11.0/8.11.0) id f3CMP8l17176; Thu, 12 Apr 2001 18:25:08 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 18:25:08 -0400 From: Cliff Crawford To: Waleed Alrawi Cc: netatalk-admins@umich.edu Subject: Re: netatalk problem Message-ID: <20010412182508.A17132@cornell.edu> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: ; from walrawi@htcengineers.com on Wed, Apr 11, 2001 at 03:23:06PM -0700 * Waleed Alrawi menulis: > > Apr 11 14:53:28 faa afpd[1326]: cleartext login: walrawi > Apr 11 14:53:28 faa PAM_pwdb[1326]: (netatalk) session opened for user > walrawi by (uid=0) > Apr 11 14:53:28 faa afpd[1326]: login walrawi (uid 500, gid 500) > Apr 11 15:00:41 faa afpd[1326]: setdirowner: chown -1/0 > .AppleDouble/.Parent: Operation not permitted It looks like you can't write to the .AppleDouble directory in your home directory. Check the permissions on it. Also, it's a good idea to setgid all your shared directories (i.e. do "chmod g+s" on all of them) so that any new files and folders created in them will be in the same group as the parent directory; this helps prevent permissions problems. -- Cliff Crawford silent butterfly alights upon caps lock key http://www.sowrong.org/ invalid login From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Thu Apr 12 19:48:51 2001 Return-Path: Received: from easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.26]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id TAA20875 for ; Thu, 12 Apr 2001 19:48:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id TAA18856 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Thu, 12 Apr 2001 19:48:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id TAA18833 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Thu, 12 Apr 2001 19:48:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from server2.bluemer.de (pD9006E0A.dip.t-dialin.net [217.0.110.10]) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id TAA18788 for ; Thu, 12 Apr 2001 19:48:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bluemer.de (bert2.bluemer.de [192.168.20.3]) by server2.bluemer.de (8.9.3/8.8.8) with ESMTP id BAA08938 for ; Fri, 13 Apr 2001 01:48:26 +0200 Message-ID: <3AD63ECA.3B248C6C@bluemer.de> Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 01:48:26 +0200 From: Bert =?iso-8859-1?Q?Bl=FCmer?= X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [de]C-CCK-MCD QXW03200 (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: de,en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: netatalk-admins@umich.edu Subject: Re: 1.5pre6 References: <3AD5F4F3.85F1E6F2@euc.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Mac Conin schrieb: > > I've installed it on Suse kernel 2.2.16 and it seems to work with the > following backdraw (but maybe it while I#m not THE guru) > > .. > ./configure --enable-suse --with-shadow --with-pam --with-flock-locks > > resulting in a version, where only guest can log in, but having no problems > with file permissions. > > Then I edited the /etc/pam.d/netatalk file to: > auth required /lib/security/pam_unix.so > account required /lib/security/pam_unix.so > #password required /lib/security/pam_cracklib.so > #password required /lib/security/pam_pwdb.so shadow use_authtok > session required /lib/security/pam_unix.so > > .. > > for the first tries - it seems to work I have compiled 1.5pre6 today, too; comiling worked, but i did no further testing yet. I compiled pre6, because the 1.5pre5 does not compile the 'uams_pam.so' - Module. I have to use pam, can anybody tell me how to compile this with the pre5? -- Grüße, Bert From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Sat Apr 14 06:50:18 2001 Return-Path: Received: from easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.26]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id GAA17458 for ; Sat, 14 Apr 2001 06:50:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id GAA01170 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Sat, 14 Apr 2001 06:50:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id GAA01162 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Sat, 14 Apr 2001 06:50:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.megapump.com (mail.megapump.com [206.102.13.66]) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id GAA01140 for ; Sat, 14 Apr 2001 06:50:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (airport.macmojo.org [206.102.13.77]) by mail.megapump.com (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f3EAowW29889 for ; Sat, 14 Apr 2001 03:50:58 -0700 Message-Id: <200104141050.f3EAowW29889@mail.megapump.com> Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2001 03:50:11 -0700 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.387) From: Brian Hendrickson To: netatalk-admins@umich.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v387) In-Reply-To: <01a601c0c33a$b3e73f10$0300a8c0@nat1.rcn.com> Subject: netatalk 1.5pre6 problem Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit problem: The Mac OS 10.0.1 Finder crashes when mounting a netatalk 1.5 volume, followed by the this error message: Disconnected The file server "RH7_Server" connection has unexpectedly closed down. [date&time] server RedHat 7 x86 netatalk 1.5pre5 or 1.5pre6 RedHat 7 RPM binary distribution clients Mac OS 9.1 or Mac OS 10.0.1 (Build 4L13) test: using the Script Editor I made two "mount volume" Applescripts -- one saved as an OS X applet, the other as a Classic applet. The Applescripts contain the following line: mount volume "afp://user:password@my.ip.add.ress/user/" the OS X script crashes the Finder -- same as "Connect to Server" the Classic script successfully mounts the volume on the Mac OS X desktop, but there are some permissions issues. Make a new folder on the desktop it can be copied to the share. Other files cannot be copied to the share: "The operation cannot be completed because one or more required items could not be found. (Error code -43)" I recompiled 1.5pre5 from source and added -DSHADOWPW and -DFLOCKS with no change If anybody has any ideas about what might be causing these problems I'm interested in pursuing it since I had noticed greatly improved throughput performance in the netatalk 1.5 software, thanks to the coders for their excellent work. Thanks! Brian Hendrickson brian@megapump.com From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Sat Apr 14 11:28:05 2001 Return-Path: Received: from easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.26]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id LAA23004 for ; Sat, 14 Apr 2001 11:28:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id LAA21700 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Sat, 14 Apr 2001 11:28:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id LAA21680 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Sat, 14 Apr 2001 11:28:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from clavin2.unet.brandeis.edu (clavin2.unet.brandeis.edu [129.64.99.33]) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id LAA21656 for ; Sat, 14 Apr 2001 11:28:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from squirrel (squirrel.bio.brandeis.edu [129.64.81.16]) by clavin2.unet.brandeis.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/UNet2.0) with ESMTP id LAA23461 for ; Sat, 14 Apr 2001 11:28:03 -0400 Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2001 11:28:03 -0400 (EDT) From: Steven Karel X-X-Sender: To: Subject: netatalk 2.1.4pre37 with OS X 10.0.1 as a client (kernel panic) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Update for interested parties on behavior of netatalk with OS X as a client after upgrading to 10.0.1 Server side: Linux RH 6.2 / kernel. 2.2.19 / netatalk 2.1.4pre37 I will try 1.5pre6 with OS X sometime soon and report back. Downloading files: Generally as before with 10.0.0. I can connect to the server and download files, at a decent speed. However, if I try to move more than about 1000 files at a time, I get error -43. If I download files in smaller groups they're all fine. Uploading files: Not so good. Sometimes it works, for small batches of files. A couple of times I got "operation not completed, insufficient privileges". On two occasions, I managed to crash OS X with a kernel panic, as follows: panic(cpu 0): File afpfs.kmodproj/afpfs_vfsutils.c, line 831: assertion '(hp->h_meta->h_usecount>=1) && (hp->h_meta_h_usecount<=2)' failed backtrace: 0x0008bdb4 0x0002a100 0x077b0a68 0x077aaeb8 0x077a35f4 0x000be80c 0x000b82ef 0x0009cce4 0x00098f40 0x6d65776f kernel modules in backtrace: afpfs_fs(156)@0x779c000 Debugger(panic) Waiting for remote debugger connection Continue 'c' Reboot 'r' -- Steven Karel, Ph.D. Biology Department, Brandeis Univ, MS 008 415 South St Waltham MA 02454-9110 TEL 781 736 3104 FAX 781 736 3107 From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Sat Apr 14 12:47:19 2001 Return-Path: Received: from funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.27]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id MAA25160 for ; Sat, 14 Apr 2001 12:47:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id MAA19808 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Sat, 14 Apr 2001 12:47:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id MAA19784 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Sat, 14 Apr 2001 12:47:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from potsdam.edu (potsdam.edu [137.143.110.101]) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with SMTP id MAA19745 for ; Sat, 14 Apr 2001 12:47:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 27496 invoked by alias); 14 Apr 2001 16:47:24 -0000 Received: (qmail 27484 invoked by uid 0); 14 Apr 2001 16:47:24 -0000 Received: from comp10574.potsdam.edu (137.143.111.133) by potsdam.edu with SMTP; 14 Apr 2001 16:47:24 -0000 Subject: Re: netatalk 1.5pre6 problem From: Matthew Keller To: Brian Hendrickson Cc: netatalk-admins@umich.edu In-Reply-To: <200104141050.f3EAowW29889@mail.megapump.com> References: <200104141050.f3EAowW29889@mail.megapump.com> Content-Type: text/plain X-Mailer: Evolution/0.10+cvs.2001.04.11.08.00 (Preview Release) Date: 14 Apr 2001 12:47:17 -0400 Message-Id: <987266837.24807.0.camel@comp10574.potsdam.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 On 14 Apr 2001 03:50:11 -0700, Brian Hendrickson wrote: > I recompiled 1.5pre5 from source and added -DSHADOWPW and -DFLOCKS with > no change First off, *PLEASE* *PLEASE* *PLEASE* use the configure switch to change flags such as this. ./configure --with-shadow --with-pam --with-flock-locks etc. Do a ./configure --help to see all of the options. It makes configuring much easier, and also allows the developers to change the way things are configured underneath, while keeping the higher-level configuration the same. This is only an option with the pre1.5 tree- Anyone using 1.4B2(+asun) doesn't have this luxury. Next, all of my testing is done on OS 9.1 and 8.5 as I don't have OS10 running yet (maybe next week). Nearly last, this is the wrong forum for pre1.5 issues. This list is for support for the Umich 1.4B2 version (deprecated) and the associated +asun2.1.3 and +asun2.1.4- And will be used more actively once 1.5 is release-grade, and the "netatalk-admins" in general start moving to 1.5 (and yes, it really does kick serious butt, once the bugs get squished). Although some of us are on this list too, most everyone who's really working with pre1.5 is on netatalk-devel@sourceforge.net ( http://netatalk.sourceforge.net/mailing_lists.php ) - Although it's targetted towards developers, any user-reports for the pre1.5 releases should go here as well to make sure "the masses" see them. I've already been slapped for cross-posting, otherwise I'd just pipe the pre1.5 messages from here over to there. Finally, BIG THANKS to everyone who's downloading the pre1.5 releases and reporting back. The more people out there finding problems and giving intelligent reports about the problems they are having, the faster the bugs will be found and nailed. pre6 is really good on the systems I've tested- The most stable in the 1.5 tree. -- Matthew Keller Enterprise System Analyst Computing & Technology Services Information Services Division State University of NY at Potsdam Potsdam, NY USA http://mattwork.potsdam.edu/ From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Sat Apr 14 14:44:57 2001 Return-Path: Received: from easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.26]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id OAA27692 for ; Sat, 14 Apr 2001 14:44:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id OAA08632 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Sat, 14 Apr 2001 14:44:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id OAA08622 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Sat, 14 Apr 2001 14:44:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail1.21stcentury.net (mail1.21stcentury.net [216.80.19.58]) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with SMTP id OAA08616 for ; Sat, 14 Apr 2001 14:44:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 49842 invoked from network); 14 Apr 2001 18:44:50 -0000 Received: from 24-148-67-26.na.21stcentury.net (HELO ?192.168.1.102?) (24.148.67.26) by mail1.21stcentury.net with SMTP; 14 Apr 2001 18:44:50 -0000 User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.01 (1630) Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2001 13:47:25 -0500 Subject: connection to server From: John Arends To: Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit I'm considering using a netatalk server in a school with 3rd through 5th graders. Right now we have one big novell server that handles library stuff which is all PC, and also has the student files. (all student machines are macs) It isn't working well. I'd like to put up a netatalk server for student files, but I have some issues with how students will connect to it. We don't want them using the chooser, so we have resorted to desktop aliases so far. I have 2 possible solutions, but neither works ideally. #1 A setup like we have now. I create a netatalk volume for /home/ and it has all the users folders in it. The click on their folder and save into it. This is what we have now. Novell's permissions allow folders that the students don't have access to to be invisible. When they open the users folder, the only folder they see in it is their own. With netatalk, folders the kids don't have access to just have the icons showing they can't open them. With close to 500 users this isn't acceptable to have that many folders visible. it will be too slow. Does anyone know a way to make the other users' folders invisible? #2 share the users' home directory(~). This will be similar to apple's idisk where an icon shows up on the desktop with the username and all the files will be in it. The problem with this approach is that I can't use an alias to connect to the server since every user's volume has a different name. I don't want the kids messing with the chooser. Does anyone know of an application or an applescript or something that will allow you to connect to a server and gets its list of volumes? One way I could solve #2 is to name the home directory "Home" rather than the username. The problem with this however is that people will not be able to tell who is logged in since it will always be called home. Therefore I definitely do not want to do this. Comments anyone? I'd be really interested how other people have this set up. From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Sat Apr 14 15:12:03 2001 Return-Path: Received: from funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.27]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id PAA28309 for ; Sat, 14 Apr 2001 15:12:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id PAA07331 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Sat, 14 Apr 2001 15:11:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id PAA07321 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Sat, 14 Apr 2001 15:11:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from c007.snv.cp.net (c007-h013.c007.snv.cp.net [209.228.33.220]) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with SMTP id PAA07269 for ; Sat, 14 Apr 2001 15:11:54 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200104141911.PAA07269@funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu> Received: (cpmta 14072 invoked from network); 14 Apr 2001 12:11:59 -0700 Received: from dsl-64-192-249-121.telocity.com (HELO localhost) (64.192.249.121) by smtp.telocity.com (209.228.33.220) with SMTP; 14 Apr 2001 12:11:59 -0700 X-Sent: 14 Apr 2001 19:11:59 GMT Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2001 15:11:42 -0400 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.387) From: Joseph Annino To: "" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v387) In-Reply-To: Subject: Netatalk problems on MacOS X 10.0.1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I just setup netatalk on a RedHat Linux 7.0 intel box using the rpms in RedHat's contrib ftp server. While I can mount both my home directory and a volume I have in /hom/shared from the OS X finder, I cannot write any files to these areas. Whenever I try to write a file it creates a 0k empty file in the server side, and then the finder gives an error code of -43 or -2. I checked the permissions of these directories and the user and group I log in as can write to them, as some of the FAQs mention. I'm not sure what else to try now. Any help would be great. From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Sun Apr 15 09:48:29 2001 Return-Path: Received: from easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.26]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id JAA21794 for ; Sun, 15 Apr 2001 09:48:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id JAA14902 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Sun, 15 Apr 2001 09:48:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id JAA14894 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Sun, 15 Apr 2001 09:48:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Ceres.digitalgraphics.net (digitalgraphics.net [216.133.71.226]) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id JAA14884 for ; Sun, 15 Apr 2001 09:48:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cx448422-b.wwck1.ri.home.com (cx448422-b.wwck1.ri.home.com [24.18.198.105]) by Ceres.digitalgraphics.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id KAA15971 for ; Sun, 15 Apr 2001 10:12:29 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from leeb@digitalgraphics.net) To: netatalk-admins@umich.edu (Netatalk List) Subject: Printers for Dummies? From: leeb@digitalgraphics.net (Lee Blevins) Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2001 09:48:17 -0400 Message-ID: <1erwgiw.sdiilg1hgocvaM@cx448422-b.wwck1.ri.home.com> Organization: Digital Graphics, Inc. User-Agent: MacSOUP/2.4 (unregistered for 82 days) Could someone point me to a simple step by step for setting up a print spooler for a postscript printer thru netatalk? Example printer would be a HP 4MV. tia From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Sun Apr 15 10:31:43 2001 Return-Path: Received: from kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.25]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id KAA22712 for ; Sun, 15 Apr 2001 10:31:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id KAA20437 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Sun, 15 Apr 2001 10:31:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id KAA20406 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Sun, 15 Apr 2001 10:31:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from texlog2.texas.rr.com ([24.93.35.223]) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id KAA20367 for ; Sun, 15 Apr 2001 10:31:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [10.1.0.4] (cs2872-149.austin.rr.com [24.28.72.149]) by texlog2.texas.rr.com (8.12.0.Beta5/8.12.0.Beta5) with ESMTP id f3FEVfrd002476 for ; Sun, 15 Apr 2001 09:31:41 -0500 (CDT) User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2001 09:31:38 -0500 Subject: netatalk 1.4b2+asun2.1.4 authentication problem From: JollyRoger To: netatalk-admins Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200102130305.WAA29158@funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu> Mime-version: 1.0 Reply-To: jollyroger@boxpo.com Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit I just installed netatalk. I got no errors during compile. But I am getting the following error from Mac clients when trying to login: "The User Authentication Method required by this server can't be found. Please check the AppleShare folder in the Extensions folder and try again" Here is my startup log: Apr 15 22:17:20 obscurity atalkd[11629]: restart (1.4b2+asun2.1.4) Apr 15 22:17:21 obscurity atalkd[11629]: zip_getnetinfo for eth0 Apr 15 22:17:40 obscurity last message repeated 2 times Apr 15 22:17:50 obscurity atalkd[11629]: config for no router Apr 15 22:17:51 obscurity atalkd[11629]: ready 0/0/0 Apr 15 22:17:51 obscurity atalk: atalkd startup succeeded Apr 15 22:18:03 obscurity papd[11640]: restart (1.4b2+asun2.1.4) Apr 15 22:18:03 obscurity papd[11640]: No such printer: lp Apr 15 22:18:03 obscurity papd[11640]: printcap problem: lp Apr 15 22:18:03 obscurity atalk: papd startup succeeded Apr 15 22:18:03 obscurity atalk: afpd startup succeeded Apr 15 22:18:09 obscurity papd[11640]: register obscurity:LaserWriter@* Apr 15 22:18:09 obscurity afpd[11649]: obscurity:AFPServer@* started on 65280.142:130 (1.4b2+asun2.1.4) Apr 15 22:18:09 obscurity afpd[11649]: ASIP started on 10.1.0.3:548(1) (1.4b2+asun2.1.4) When clients try to connect and receive the error message, this is what gets logged: Apr 15 22:20:54 obscurity afpd[11654]: ASIP session:548(1) from 10.1.0.4:49418(2) Apr 15 22:20:54 obscurity afpd[11649]: server_child[1] 11654 done My top-level netatalk Makefile starts out like this: # cat Makefile # Root of installation. Subdirectories will be ${DESTDIR}/etc, # ${DESTDIR}/bin, and ${DESTDIR}/lib. DESTDIR=/usr/local/atalk # for system-level binaries SBINDIR=$(DESTDIR)/sbin # for user-level binaries BINDIR=$(DESTDIR)/bin # for program libraries (*.a) LIBDIR=$(DESTDIR)/lib # for machine-independent resources (pagecount.ps, etc.) RESDIR=$(DESTDIR)/etc # for configuration files (AppleVolumes.system, etc.) ETCDIR=$(DESTDIR)/etc # for include files INCDIR=$(DESTDIR)/include # Root of man pages. Subdirectories will be # ${MANDIR}/man1, ${MANDIR}/man4, and ${MANDIR}/man8. MANDIR=$(DESTDIR)/man #INSTALL_PREFIX= #SBINDIR=${INSTALL_PREFIX}/usr/sbin #BINDIR=${INSTALL_PREFIX}/usr/bin #LIBDIR=${INSTALL_PREFIX}/usr/lib #RESDIR=${INSTALL_PREFIX}/usr/lib/atalk #ETCDIR=${INSTALL_PREFIX}/etc/atalk #INCDIR=${INSTALL_PREFIX}/usr/include #MANDIR=${INSTALL_PREFIX}/usr/man # Location of the Berkeley v2 db library and include files. # NOTE: leave this commented out for now. it's a placeholder for a future # feature. #DB2DIR=/usr/local/BerkeleyDB # Location of the Diffie-Hellman library and include files. Uncomment # this out if you want DHX as an allowable UAM for afpd. Currently, # this is set up expecting libcrypto from the openssl project. As a # result, this option will enable all of the encrypted authentication # methods (including the Randnum Exchange ones). DHX expects cast.h, # dh.h, and bn.h in $CRYPTODIR/include with -lcrypto in # $CRYPTODIR/lib. NOTE: os x server will complain if you use both # randnum exchange and DHX. CRYPTODIR=/usr/local/ssl # Location of the DES library and include files. Uncomment this out if # you want Randnum Exchange and 2-Way Randnum Exchange as allowable # UAMs for afpd. We expect libdes.a in $DESDIR/lib and des.h in # $DESDIR/include. This option will get overridden by CRYPTODIR. #DESDIR=/usr/local # Location of the tcp wrapper library and include files. Comment this out # if you don't want tcp wrapper support. having tcp wrapper support is # highly recommended. TCPWRAPDIR=/usr # Location of PAM support library and include files. Uncomment this if # you want to enable PAM support. PAMDIR=/usr # Location of cracklib support library and include files. This is used # in the password changing routines. Uncomment this out if you want to # enable support. CRACKDIR=/usr # Location of the AFS and Kerberos libraries and include files. Uncomment # and edit these if you want to include AFS or Kerberos support in afpd # or Kerberos support in papd. AFSDIR=/usr/local/afs KRBDIR=/usr/local/kerberos (snip) The authentication modules do indeed exist in #RESDIR/uams/: # ls -al /usr/local/atalk/etc/uams/ total 60 drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 Apr 15 22:14 . drwxr-xr-x 5 root root 4096 Apr 15 22:17 .. lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 11 Apr 15 22:14 uams_clrtxt.so -> uams_pam.so lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 15 Apr 15 22:14 uams_dhx.so -> uams_dhx_pam.so -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 1869 Apr 15 22:14 uams_dhx_pam.so -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 1872 Apr 15 22:14 uams_dhx_passwd.so -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 3361 Apr 15 22:14 uams_guest.so -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 1865 Apr 15 22:14 uams_pam.so -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 3952 Apr 15 22:14 uams_passwd.so -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 32319 Apr 15 22:14 uams_randnum.so And I believe my /usr/local/atalk/etc/afpd.conf file is correct: - -transall -savepassword -setpassword -uampath /usr/local/atalk/etc/uams -uamlist uams_dhx_pam.so,uams_dhx_passwd.so,ua ms_guest.so,uams_pam.so,uams_passwd.so,uams_randnum.so (I tried NOT specifying the -uampath as well - which resulted in no difference in behavior): - -transall -savepassword -setpassword -uamlist uams_dhx_pam.so,uams_dhx_passwd.so,ua ms_guest.so,uams_pam.so,uams_passwd.so,uams_randnum.so For some reason, either (a) the server is unable to find authentication modules requested -or- (b) the Mac client is unable to find an authentication module to match what the server requires (it's hard to tell from the error message!). I'm about out of tricks here. Can someone help me out? JR From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Sun Apr 15 10:37:57 2001 Return-Path: Received: from easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.26]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id KAA22935 for ; Sun, 15 Apr 2001 10:37:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id KAA14225 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Sun, 15 Apr 2001 10:37:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id KAA14203 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Sun, 15 Apr 2001 10:37:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mathserv.math.ohio-state.edu (mathserv.math.ohio-state.edu [128.146.111.31]) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id KAA14168 for ; Sun, 15 Apr 2001 10:37:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from math.ohio-state.edu (math.ohio-state.edu [128.146.111.30]) by mathserv.math.ohio-state.edu (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id f3FEbk029215; Sun, 15 Apr 2001 10:37:46 -0400 Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2001 10:37:46 -0400 (EDT) From: Chad Cunningham To: Lee Blevins cc: Netatalk List Subject: Re: Printers for Dummies? In-Reply-To: <1erwgiw.sdiilg1hgocvaM@cx448422-b.wwck1.ri.home.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII man papd has examples... On Sun, 15 Apr 2001, Lee Blevins wrote: > Could someone point me to a simple step by step for setting up a print > spooler for a postscript printer thru netatalk? > > Example printer would be a HP 4MV. > > tia > -- Chad Cunningham ccunning@math.ohio-state.edu "Well, once again my friend, we find that science is a two-headed beast. One head is nice, it gives us aspirin and other modern conveniences,...but the other head of science is bad! Oh beware the other head of science, Arthur, it bites!" From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Sun Apr 15 10:41:33 2001 Return-Path: Received: from funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.27]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id KAA23041 for ; Sun, 15 Apr 2001 10:41:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id KAA23291 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Sun, 15 Apr 2001 10:41:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id KAA23278 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Sun, 15 Apr 2001 10:41:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mathserv.math.ohio-state.edu (mathserv.math.ohio-state.edu [128.146.111.31]) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id KAA23234 for ; Sun, 15 Apr 2001 10:41:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from math.ohio-state.edu (math.ohio-state.edu [128.146.111.30]) by mathserv.math.ohio-state.edu (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id f3FEfU031084; Sun, 15 Apr 2001 10:41:30 -0400 Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2001 10:41:30 -0400 (EDT) From: Chad Cunningham To: Joseph Annino cc: "" Subject: Re: Netatalk problems on MacOS X 10.0.1 In-Reply-To: <200104141911.PAA07269@funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I believe the answer is: it don't work. I've had the best luck with 1.4b2+asu2.1.4, which seems to work fine except that resource forks don't show up (ok, so it doesn't work fine). For whoever maintains the SourceForge sight, any possibility of putting this in the FAQ? I think this may pop up fairly regularly.... On Sat, 14 Apr 2001, Joseph Annino wrote: > I just setup netatalk on a RedHat Linux 7.0 intel box using the rpms in > RedHat's contrib ftp server. While I can mount both my home directory > and a volume I have in /hom/shared from the OS X finder, I cannot write > any files to these areas. Whenever I try to write a file it creates a > 0k empty file in the server side, and then the finder gives an error > code of -43 or -2. I checked the permissions of these directories and > the user and group I log in as can write to them, as some of the FAQs > mention. I'm not sure what else to try now. Any help would be great. > -- Chad Cunningham ccunning@math.ohio-state.edu "Well, once again my friend, we find that science is a two-headed beast. One head is nice, it gives us aspirin and other modern conveniences,...but the other head of science is bad! Oh beware the other head of science, Arthur, it bites!" From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Sun Apr 15 17:24:07 2001 Return-Path: Received: from kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.25]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id RAA03430 for ; Sun, 15 Apr 2001 17:24:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id RAA18994 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Sun, 15 Apr 2001 17:24:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id RAA18966 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Sun, 15 Apr 2001 17:24:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from potsdam.edu (potsdam.edu [137.143.110.101]) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with SMTP id RAA18890 for ; Sun, 15 Apr 2001 17:24:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 8155 invoked by alias); 15 Apr 2001 21:24:12 -0000 Received: (qmail 8145 invoked by uid 0); 15 Apr 2001 21:24:11 -0000 Received: from comp10574.potsdam.edu (137.143.111.133) by potsdam.edu with SMTP; 15 Apr 2001 21:24:11 -0000 Subject: Re: Netatalk problems on MacOS X 10.0.1 From: Matthew Keller To: Chad Cunningham Cc: Netatalk-Admins@umich.edu In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain X-Mailer: Evolution/0.10+cvs.2001.04.11.08.00 (Preview Release) Date: 15 Apr 2001 17:24:05 -0400 Message-Id: <987369845.13953.1.camel@comp10574.potsdam.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Unofficial $0.02 - Don't use RPM builds from RedHat, they're generally bad. 1.4B2+asun2.1.4 is quite stable when built from source, although it is considered "untested" by the old maintainers (I can say, however, that it's pretty solid for most environments (unless you use Quark ;) The current developers working on 1.5 (currently in a "pre1.5" state) - And more importantly the builds being released off of the SourceForge site - Are the only real "developer supported" releases- There simply aren't enough developers to "deal" with maintaining both code bases- As far as FAQ entries regarding 1.4b2 releases, there isn't anything consistant to put in the FAQ's except a big 240point "YMMV" and "Stay away from ANY builds from distributions (Debian, RedHat and SuSe (possibly others as well) builds tend to be quite buggy, and use non-normal build options). Patches against the 1.4B2 tree are still being looked at for inclusion into 1.5 (if they get to the right place/people), but are more prone to being rejected than patches against the 1.5 code. I recommend any patches be submitted through the SourceForge patch manager (http://sourceforge.net/projects/netatalk/) or to the netatalk-devel list (subscribe off of the aforementioned URL). On 15 Apr 2001 10:41:30 -0400, Chad Cunningham wrote: > > I believe the answer is: it don't work. > > I've had the best luck with 1.4b2+asu2.1.4, which seems to work fine > except that resource forks don't show up (ok, so it doesn't work fine). > > For whoever maintains the SourceForge sight, any possibility of putting > this in the FAQ? I think this may pop up fairly regularly.... > > On Sat, 14 Apr 2001, Joseph Annino wrote: > > > I just setup netatalk on a RedHat Linux 7.0 intel box using the rpms in > > RedHat's contrib ftp server. While I can mount both my home directory > > and a volume I have in /hom/shared from the OS X finder, I cannot write > > any files to these areas. Whenever I try to write a file it creates a > > 0k empty file in the server side, and then the finder gives an error > > code of -43 or -2. I checked the permissions of these directories and > > the user and group I log in as can write to them, as some of the FAQs > > mention. I'm not sure what else to try now. Any help would be great. > > > > -- > > Chad Cunningham > ccunning@math.ohio-state.edu > > "Well, once again my friend, we find that science is a two-headed beast. One > head is nice, it gives us aspirin and other modern conveniences,...but the > other head of science is bad! Oh beware the other head of science, Arthur, it > bites!" > > -- Matthew Keller Enterprise System Analyst Computing & Technology Services Information Services Division State University of NY at Potsdam Potsdam, NY USA http://mattwork.potsdam.edu/ From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Mon Apr 16 06:47:03 2001 Return-Path: Received: from easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.26]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id GAA27283 for ; Mon, 16 Apr 2001 06:47:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id GAA20867 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Mon, 16 Apr 2001 06:47:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id GAA20865 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Mon, 16 Apr 2001 06:47:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sm10.texas.rr.com (sm10.texas.rr.com [24.93.35.222]) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id GAA20854 for ; Mon, 16 Apr 2001 06:47:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [10.1.0.4] (cs2872-149.austin.rr.com [24.28.72.149]) by sm10.texas.rr.com (8.12.0.Beta5/8.12.0.Beta5) with ESMTP id f3GAhOUd032520 for ; Mon, 16 Apr 2001 05:43:24 -0500 User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 05:47:02 -0500 Subject: hello? From: JollyRoger To: netatalk-admins Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200102130305.WAA29158@funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu> Mime-version: 1.0 Reply-To: jollyroger@boxpo.com Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit is this server working anymore? I send messages to the list but do not see them, and get no responses. From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Mon Apr 16 13:26:13 2001 Return-Path: Received: from funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.27]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id NAA10951 for ; Mon, 16 Apr 2001 13:26:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id NAA13188 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Mon, 16 Apr 2001 13:26:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id NAA13175 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Mon, 16 Apr 2001 13:26:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ccgate.goldenbooks.com (mail.goldenbooks.com [205.243.222.114]) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id NAA13150 for ; Mon, 16 Apr 2001 13:26:04 -0400 (EDT) From: JSherry@goldenbooks.com Received: from ccMail by ccgate.goldenbooks.com (IMA Internet Exchange 3.11) id 0018E7C8; Mon, 16 Apr 2001 12:28:19 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 13:20:00 -0400 Message-ID: <0018E7C8.C21126@goldenbooks.com> Subject: Can't write file to share To: netatalk-admins@umich.edu Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Back from vacation, and thanks everyone for your previous help. I installed netatalk-1.4b2+asun2.1.3-22.i386.rpm on Redhat 7instead of compiling, and I'm now able to authenticate. However, like others, I'm getting errors trying to write a file to a netatalk share. I have no problem writing to my home directory, so it seems to be a permissions issue on the other share, which should be accessible to others beside the owner. I can mount the share: /usr/itarchives IT access=@it but I get the message " could not be written because you do not have enough access privileges." The rights appear to be correct: [sherry@nychat1 /usr]$ groups sherry it and drwxrws--x 5 root it 4096 Apr 16 12:16 itarchives I suspect the access setting for a share affects the ability to mount a share not write to it. Also, the "s" privilege is new to me. To paraphrase what someone said about it, giving a group the "s" privilege on a directory should not effect the ability to write a new file to the directory, but should set the permissions on that new file to match the directory, allowing group members to read and write to the file subsequently, right? Anyway, I'd rather run a tried and true version of netatalk than play with the work in progress, so any suggestions short of installing 1.5preX will be appreciated. Thanks, jb From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Mon Apr 16 17:18:46 2001 Return-Path: Received: from easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.26]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id RAA21415 for ; Mon, 16 Apr 2001 17:18:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id RAA10782 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Mon, 16 Apr 2001 17:18:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id RAA10769 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Mon, 16 Apr 2001 17:18:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mercury.prairiegroup.com ([216.80.8.1]) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with SMTP id RAA10733 for ; Mon, 16 Apr 2001 17:18:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from prairiegroup.com (m-mcwhorter.prairiegroup.com [104.47.1.105]) by mercury.prairiegroup.com (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with ESMTP id GBWLLE00.25J for ; Mon, 16 Apr 2001 16:12:50 -0500 Sender: "Martin McWhorter" Message-ID: <3ADB606C.5F72A8EE@prairiegroup.com> Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 16:13:16 -0500 From: Martin McWhorter X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.16-3 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: netatalk-admins@umich.edu Subject: papd trouble Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello, I am having a problem with papd. I can see the printer in MacOS chooser, but can not print to it. Of course this is because when I start papd on RH 6.2 linux it stops shorly after with this message in the /var/log/messages Apr 16 15:50:28 m_mcwhorter papd[7460]: restart (1.4b2+asun2.1.3) Apr 16 15:50:36 m_mcwhorter papd[7460]: can't register lp:LaserWriter@* My /etc/atalk/papd.conf looks like this lp:ps=lp:op=m_mcwhorter:pd=/etc/atalk/9955_65.ppd: and my /etc/printcap looks like this: ##PRINTTOOL3## SMB ljet4 600x600 letter {} LaserJet4 Default {} lp:\ :sd=/var/spool/lpd/lp:\ :mx#0:\ :sh:\ :if=/var/spool/lpd/lp/filter:\ :af=/var/spool/lpd/lp/acct:\ :lp=/dev/null: I have read all the available Documentation and scoured the mail archive... to no avail. Thanks much, Martin -- Martin McWhorter Network Administrator Prairie 708 563 5832 From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Mon Apr 16 21:19:00 2001 Return-Path: Received: from kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.25]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id VAA28561 for ; Mon, 16 Apr 2001 21:19:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id VAA06706 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Mon, 16 Apr 2001 21:19:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id VAA06687 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Mon, 16 Apr 2001 21:18:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from titan.ols.com (titan.ols.com [207.112.223.10]) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id VAA06667 for ; Mon, 16 Apr 2001 21:18:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.ols.com (metro1-d33.ols.com [207.112.223.103]) by titan.ols.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id UAA84267 for ; Mon, 16 Apr 2001 20:17:58 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from bsewell@ols.com) Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 20:18:06 -0500 From: Brandon Sewell To: netatalk-admins@umich.edu Subject: unable to connect Message-ID: <20010416201806.A18224@bess> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Mailer: Balsa 1.0.0 Lines: 4 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu id VAA28561 I can see my file server in the chooser, connect as either a guest or user, but when i select volumes and click ok i get the mesg "The attempted connection to the servers volume has failed. Please contact the servers admin.". I get the same mesg. with guest and user. Any ideas? From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Tue Apr 17 07:13:20 2001 Return-Path: Received: from funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.27]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id HAA11734 for ; Tue, 17 Apr 2001 07:13:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id HAA10488 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Tue, 17 Apr 2001 07:13:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id HAA10470 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Tue, 17 Apr 2001 07:13:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from nernst.chem.gla.ac.uk (nernst.chem.gla.ac.uk [130.209.221.174]) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id HAA10440 for ; Tue, 17 Apr 2001 07:13:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from london.chem.gla.ac.uk ([130.209.221.166] ident=jonp) by nernst.chem.gla.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.02 #2) id 14pTQ4-0005Fc-00; Tue, 17 Apr 2001 12:13:16 +0100 Received: from localhost (jonp@localhost) by london.chem.gla.ac.uk (8.8.7/feedernode) with ESMTP id MAA25829; Tue, 17 Apr 2001 12:13:09 +0100 (BST) X-Authentication-Warning: london.chem.gla.ac.uk: jonp owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2001 12:13:09 +0100 (BST) From: Jonathan Paisley To: Martin McWhorter cc: Subject: Re: papd trouble In-Reply-To: <3ADB606C.5F72A8EE@prairiegroup.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 16 Apr 2001, Martin McWhorter wrote: > I am having a problem with papd. I can see the printer in MacOS chooser, > but can not print to it. > > Of course this is because when I start papd on RH 6.2 linux it stops > shorly after with this message in the /var/log/messages > Apr 16 15:50:28 m_mcwhorter papd[7460]: restart (1.4b2+asun2.1.3) > Apr 16 15:50:36 m_mcwhorter papd[7460]: can't register lp:LaserWriter@* That looks a bit like it can't register the name because it's already registered (i.e. there's already a LaserWriter called lp on the network, or some previous instance of papd died without unregistering). try $ nbpunrgstr lp:Laserwriter I'm not entirely sure what the syntax of that command is (I've not tried this recently), but you should get the idea. -- Jonathan Paisley jonp@chem.gla.ac.uk From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Tue Apr 17 09:48:28 2001 Return-Path: Received: from funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.27]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id JAA16116 for ; Tue, 17 Apr 2001 09:48:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id JAA12383 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Tue, 17 Apr 2001 09:48:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id JAA12362 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Tue, 17 Apr 2001 09:48:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mercury.prairiegroup.com ([216.80.8.1]) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with SMTP id JAA12328 for ; Tue, 17 Apr 2001 09:48:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from prairiegroup.com (m-mcwhorter.prairiegroup.com [104.47.1.105]) by mercury.prairiegroup.com (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with ESMTP id GBXVEZ00.468 for ; Tue, 17 Apr 2001 08:42:35 -0500 Sender: "Martin McWhorter" Message-ID: <3ADC4863.92DFFD68@prairiegroup.com> Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2001 08:42:59 -0500 From: Martin McWhorter X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.16-3 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "netatalk-admins@umich.edu" Subject: Re: papd trouble References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thanks Jonathan, nbpunrgsr lp:LaserWriter or nbpunrgsr lp:LaserWriter@* Returns: Can't unregister lp:LaserWriter@ Obviosly this is part of my problem. I changed the name of the printer in the papd.conf to misptr. Same results. Apr 17 08:35:24 m_mcwhorter papd[29587]: restart (1.4b2+asun2.1.3) Apr 17 08:35:32 m_mcwhorter papd[29587]: can't register misptr:LaserWriter@* [root@m_mcwhorter m_mcwhorter]# nbpunrgstr misptr:LaserWriter Can't unregister misptr:LaserWriter@* Thanks In Advance, Martin Jonathan Paisley wrote: > > On Mon, 16 Apr 2001, Martin McWhorter wrote: > > > I am having a problem with papd. I can see the printer in MacOS chooser, > > but can not print to it. > > > > Of course this is because when I start papd on RH 6.2 linux it stops > > shorly after with this message in the /var/log/messages > > Apr 16 15:50:28 m_mcwhorter papd[7460]: restart (1.4b2+asun2.1.3) > > Apr 16 15:50:36 m_mcwhorter papd[7460]: can't register lp:LaserWriter@* > > That looks a bit like it can't register the name because it's already > registered (i.e. there's already a LaserWriter called lp on the network, > or some previous instance of papd died without unregistering). > > try > > $ nbpunrgstr lp:Laserwriter > > I'm not entirely sure what the syntax of that command is (I've not tried > this recently), but you should get the idea. > > -- > Jonathan Paisley > jonp@chem.gla.ac.uk -- Martin McWhorter Network Administrator Prairie 708 563 5832 From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Tue Apr 17 11:26:09 2001 Return-Path: Received: from funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.27]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id LAA19239 for ; Tue, 17 Apr 2001 11:26:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id LAA19100 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Tue, 17 Apr 2001 11:26:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id LAA19063 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Tue, 17 Apr 2001 11:26:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from apeiba.wanadoo.fr (smtp-rt-2.wanadoo.fr [193.252.19.154]) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id LAA19000 for ; Tue, 17 Apr 2001 11:25:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mahonia.wanadoo.fr (193.252.19.58) by apeiba.wanadoo.fr; 17 Apr 2001 17:26:04 +0200 Received: from wanadoo.fr (193.250.204.148) by mahonia.wanadoo.fr; 17 Apr 2001 17:26:02 +0200 Message-ID: <3ADC6052.9F5B6AA7@wanadoo.fr> Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2001 17:25:07 +0200 From: prominox X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [fr] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: fr MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "netatalk-admins@umich.edu" Subject: unsubscribe Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Tue Apr 17 12:53:33 2001 Return-Path: Received: from kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.25]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id MAA22916 for ; Tue, 17 Apr 2001 12:53:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id MAA10164 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Tue, 17 Apr 2001 12:53:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id MAA10146 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Tue, 17 Apr 2001 12:53:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from clever.visp-europe.psi.com (clever.visp-europe.psi.com [212.222.105.4]) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id MAA10111 for ; Tue, 17 Apr 2001 12:53:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ns01-n71-119.de.inter.net ([213.73.71.119] helo=athlet.deltaman.de) by clever.visp-europe.psi.com with esmtp (Exim 3.22 #1) id 14pYjI-0004jS-00 for netatalk-admins@umich.edu; Tue, 17 Apr 2001 18:53:29 +0200 Received: from athlet (root@athlet.deltaman.de [192.168.1.1]) by athlet.deltaman.de (8.9.3/8.9.3/SuSE Linux 8.9.3-0.1) with SMTP id SAA22020 for ; Tue, 17 Apr 2001 18:51:41 +0200 From: Carsten Neumann Reply-To: deltor@snafu.de To: netatalk-admins@umich.edu Subject: Re: papd trouble Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2001 18:32:01 +0200 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.0.28] Content-Type: text/plain References: <3ADC4863.92DFFD68@prairiegroup.com> In-Reply-To: <3ADC4863.92DFFD68@prairiegroup.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <01041718514000.06278@athlet> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu id MAA22916 On Tue, 17 Apr 2001, Martin McWhorter wrote: > Thanks Jonathan, > > nbpunrgsr lp:LaserWriter > or > nbpunrgsr lp:LaserWriter@* > > Returns: > Can't unregister lp:LaserWriter@ > > Obviosly this is part of my problem. I changed the name of the printer > in the papd.conf to misptr. Same results. > > Apr 17 08:35:24 m_mcwhorter papd[29587]: restart (1.4b2+asun2.1.3) > Apr 17 08:35:32 m_mcwhorter papd[29587]: can't register > misptr:LaserWriter@* > > [root@m_mcwhorter m_mcwhorter]# nbpunrgstr misptr:LaserWriter > Can't unregister misptr:LaserWriter@* > > Thanks In Advance, > Martin What does nbplkup tell? Is there another ":LaserWriter" registered? If yes, has it the same net.node like the server? Can you see other nodes (Macs) at all? If not this is a good hint that netatalk does not properly start up. E.g.: I have to put my interface into promiscuous mode. But then I have to start netatalk TWICE at boot. After the first start I can't see other nodes on my net. BTW: Has somebody encountered the same problem? Does he/she know what goes wrong and how I can solve this more elegant than starting netatalk twice? Best wishes Carsten From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Tue Apr 17 13:34:36 2001 Return-Path: Received: from funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.27]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id NAA24347 for ; Tue, 17 Apr 2001 13:34:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id NAA12254 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Tue, 17 Apr 2001 13:34:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id NAA12230 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Tue, 17 Apr 2001 13:34:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mercury.prairiegroup.com ([216.80.8.1]) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with SMTP id NAA12006 for ; Tue, 17 Apr 2001 13:34:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from prairiegroup.com (m-mcwhorter.prairiegroup.com [104.47.1.105]) by mercury.prairiegroup.com (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with ESMTP id GBY5VN00.R61 for ; Tue, 17 Apr 2001 12:28:35 -0500 Sender: "Martin McWhorter" Message-ID: <3ADC7D5A.AA59E1B0@prairiegroup.com> Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2001 12:28:58 -0500 From: Martin McWhorter X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.16-3 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: netatalk-admins@umich.edu Subject: Re: papd trouble References: <3ADC4863.92DFFD68@prairiegroup.com> <01041718514000.06278@athlet> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > What does nbplkup tell? It shows all the appletalk devices on the network. > Is there another ":LaserWriter" registered? No, There is no lp:LaserWriter or misptr:LaserWriser in the list. > If yes, has it the same net.node like the server? > > Can you see other nodes (Macs) at all? Yes. Macs can connect to my Atalk shares fine. From a Mac I can drag and drop files back and forth the my linux server. > If not this is a good hint that netatalk does not properly start up. > Atalk starts fine [m_mcwhorter@m_mcwhorter temp]$ ps -ax | grep atalk 1330 ? S 0:06 atalkd 11725 pts/2 R 0:00 grep atalk Just not papd. Any ideas? Im stuck. Thanks, Martin From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Tue Apr 17 14:48:18 2001 Return-Path: Received: from easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.26]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id OAA27552 for ; Tue, 17 Apr 2001 14:48:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id OAA03781 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Tue, 17 Apr 2001 14:48:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id OAA03768 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Tue, 17 Apr 2001 14:48:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smart.visp-europe.psi.com (smart.visp-europe.psi.com [212.222.105.5]) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id OAA03737 for ; Tue, 17 Apr 2001 14:48:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ns07-n66-078.de.inter.net ([213.73.66.78] helo=athlet.deltaman.de) by smart.visp-europe.psi.com with esmtp (Exim 3.22 #1) id 14paWM-00018q-00 for netatalk-admins@umich.edu; Tue, 17 Apr 2001 20:48:14 +0200 Received: from athlet (root@athlet.deltaman.de [192.168.1.1]) by athlet.deltaman.de (8.9.3/8.9.3/SuSE Linux 8.9.3-0.1) with SMTP id UAA22398 for ; Tue, 17 Apr 2001 20:47:25 +0200 From: Carsten Neumann Reply-To: deltor@snafu.de To: netatalk-admins@umich.edu Subject: Re: papd trouble Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2001 20:35:27 +0200 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.0.28] Content-Type: text/plain References: <3ADB606C.5F72A8EE@prairiegroup.com> In-Reply-To: <3ADB606C.5F72A8EE@prairiegroup.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <01041720472501.06278@athlet> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu id OAA27552 On Mon, 16 Apr 2001, Martin McWhorter wrote: > Hello, > > I am having a problem with papd. I can see the printer in MacOS chooser, > but can not print to it. > > Of course this is because when I start papd on RH 6.2 linux it stops > shorly after with this message in the /var/log/messages > Apr 16 15:50:28 m_mcwhorter papd[7460]: restart (1.4b2+asun2.1.3) > Apr 16 15:50:36 m_mcwhorter papd[7460]: can't register lp:LaserWriter@* > > My /etc/atalk/papd.conf looks like this > lp:ps=lp:op=m_mcwhorter:pd=/etc/atalk/9955_65.ppd: > Hrrrglllmppphhff! (Some sort of curse! ;-) ) Stupid me! I saw this in your first message, but forgot to verify this. You made a typo in your papd.conf! There is no "ps" attribute. You probably mean "pr=lp:". BTW: If your lpd isn't started when data arrive in your spooler queue you can pipe the data to lpr: "pr=|/usr/bin/lpr -Plp:". The daemon is then started by lpr. HTH Carsten From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Tue Apr 17 15:55:51 2001 Return-Path: Received: from kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.25]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id PAA29653 for ; Tue, 17 Apr 2001 15:55:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id PAA25482 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Tue, 17 Apr 2001 15:55:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id PAA25469 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Tue, 17 Apr 2001 15:55:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fishcalledwanda.dir.itd.umich.edu (fishcalledwanda.dir.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.23]) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id PAA25435 for ; Tue, 17 Apr 2001 15:55:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pathfinder (genisis.pwgroup.ca [142.165.152.48]) by fishcalledwanda.dir.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with SMTP id PAA07754 for ; Tue, 17 Apr 2001 15:55:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from SMTP agent by mail gateway Tue, 17 Apr 2001 14:08:57 -0600 Received: from cossette.dante.ca (192.168.10.1) by pathfinder with MERCUR-SMTP/POP3/IMAP4-Server (v3.30.03 AS-0098315) for ; Tue, 17 Apr 2001 14:06:54 -0600 Received: from SMTP agent by mail gateway Tue, 17 Apr 2001 14:05:44 -0600 Received: from printwest.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by cossette.dante.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 862EA7995; Tue, 17 Apr 2001 13:46:37 -0600 (CST) X-Mailer: exmh version 2.3.1 01/18/2001 (debian 2.3.1-1) with nmh-1.0.4+dev To: LINUX-ATALK@netspace.org, netatalk-admins Subject: Netatalk and raid Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2001 13:46:37 -0600 From: Lance Levsen Message-Id: <20010417194637.862EA7995@cossette.dante.ca> Anyone here using Netatalk and the Linux software raid together? I'm curious if this is a valid setup, and what your setup might be. Cheers, -- Lance Levsen, Product Innovation PWGroup - S'toon. From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Tue Apr 17 16:23:20 2001 Return-Path: Received: from funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.27]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id QAA00457 for ; Tue, 17 Apr 2001 16:23:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id QAA01362 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Tue, 17 Apr 2001 16:23:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id QAA01350 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Tue, 17 Apr 2001 16:23:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bos-gate2.raytheon.com (bos-gate2.raytheon.com [199.46.198.231]) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id QAA01231 for ; Tue, 17 Apr 2001 16:23:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ds02e00.directory.ray.com (ds02e00.rsc.raytheon.com [147.25.130.245]) by bos-gate2.raytheon.com (8.11.0.Beta3/8.11.0.Beta3) with ESMTP id f3HKN8l26823; Tue, 17 Apr 2001 16:23:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rbell.tv.rsc.raytheon.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ds02e00.directory.ray.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA07926; Tue, 17 Apr 2001 16:23:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tv.rsc.raytheon.com (rbell2.tv.rsc.raytheon.com [192.27.39.132]) by rbell.tv.rsc.raytheon.com with ESMTP (8.9.3 (PHNE_18979)/8.7.3) id NAA05930; Tue, 17 Apr 2001 13:23:05 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <3ADCA628.E2EA26A7@tv.rsc.raytheon.com> Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2001 13:23:04 -0700 From: "Robert B. Bell" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Lance Levsen CC: LINUX-ATALK@netspace.org, netatalk-admins Subject: Re: Netatalk and raid References: <20010417194637.862EA7995@cossette.dante.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'm using both. They are unrelated things. NetAtalk uses a disk, but it doesn't care or know if it is a RAID drive or not. Lance Levsen wrote: > > Anyone here using Netatalk and the Linux software raid together? > > I'm curious if this is a valid setup, and what your setup might be. From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Tue Apr 17 17:02:00 2001 Return-Path: Received: from kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.25]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id RAA01938 for ; Tue, 17 Apr 2001 17:02:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id RAA00897 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Tue, 17 Apr 2001 17:02:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id RAA00879 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Tue, 17 Apr 2001 17:01:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from potsdam.edu (potsdam.edu [137.143.110.101]) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with SMTP id RAA00858 for ; Tue, 17 Apr 2001 17:01:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 2964 invoked by alias); 17 Apr 2001 21:02:05 -0000 Received: (qmail 2941 invoked by uid 0); 17 Apr 2001 21:02:04 -0000 Received: from comp10574.potsdam.edu (137.143.111.133) by potsdam.edu with SMTP; 17 Apr 2001 21:02:04 -0000 Subject: Re: Netatalk and raid From: Matthew Keller To: Netatalk-Admins List Cc: linux-atalk@netspace.org In-Reply-To: <20010417194637.862EA7995@cossette.dante.ca> References: <20010417194637.862EA7995@cossette.dante.ca> Content-Type: text/plain X-Mailer: Evolution/0.10+cvs.2001.04.11.08.00 (Preview Release) Date: 17 Apr 2001 17:01:54 -0400 Message-Id: <987541314.779.3.camel@comp10574.potsdam.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 I've tested (and have used in a production environment) Netatalk running on software RAID 0, RAID 1 and RAID 10 (2.2 and 2.4 linux kernels) and hardware RAID 1. It is just as stable as using it on "normal" disks. On 17 Apr 2001 13:46:37 -0600, Lance Levsen wrote: > Anyone here using Netatalk and the Linux software raid together? > > I'm curious if this is a valid setup, and what your setup might be. -- Matthew Keller Enterprise System Analyst Computing & Technology Services Information Services Division State University of NY at Potsdam Potsdam, NY USA http://mattwork.potsdam.edu/ From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Tue Apr 17 17:28:26 2001 Return-Path: Received: from easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.26]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id RAA03050 for ; Tue, 17 Apr 2001 17:28:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id RAA22295 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Tue, 17 Apr 2001 17:28:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id RAA22259 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Tue, 17 Apr 2001 17:28:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fishcalledwanda.dir.itd.umich.edu (fishcalledwanda.dir.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.23]) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id RAA22218 for ; Tue, 17 Apr 2001 17:28:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pathfinder (genisis.pwgroup.ca [142.165.152.48]) by fishcalledwanda.dir.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with SMTP id RAA08290 for ; Tue, 17 Apr 2001 17:28:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from SMTP agent by mail gateway Tue, 17 Apr 2001 15:41:32 -0600 Received: from cossette.dante.ca (192.168.10.1) by pathfinder with MERCUR-SMTP/POP3/IMAP4-Server (v3.30.03 AS-0098315) for ; Tue, 17 Apr 2001 15:41:58 -0600 Received: from SMTP agent by mail gateway Tue, 17 Apr 2001 15:40:51 -0600 Received: from printwest.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by cossette.dante.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id B24297987 for ; Tue, 17 Apr 2001 15:21:47 -0600 (CST) X-Mailer: exmh version 2.3.1 01/18/2001 (debian 2.3.1-1) with nmh-1.0.4+dev To: netatalk-admins Subject: Timestamps Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2001 15:21:47 -0600 From: Lance Levsen Message-Id: <20010417212147.B24297987@cossette.dante.ca> One of the turnkeys we dropped off at a clients has developed a timestamp problem. Quark images that are being served from the Netatalk server all came up as being modified in Quark. The only thing that changed was daylight savings. Does anyone recognize this and is it a Netatalk prb or a Mac problem? Cheers, -- Lance Levsen, Product Innovation PWGroup - S'toon. From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Tue Apr 17 17:29:10 2001 Return-Path: Received: from funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.27]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id RAA03084 for ; Tue, 17 Apr 2001 17:29:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id RAA13878 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Tue, 17 Apr 2001 17:29:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id RAA13858 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Tue, 17 Apr 2001 17:29:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from local (customer-host-145.yellowspace.net [213.183.5.145]) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with SMTP id RAA13805 for ; Tue, 17 Apr 2001 17:28:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [213.183.5.146] ([213.183.5.146] verified) by local (Stalker SMTP Server 1.7) with ESMTP id S.0000066222 for ; Tue, 17 Apr 2001 23:23:58 +0200 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: lopez.on.the.lists@mail.yellowspace.net (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2001 23:36:38 +0200 To: netatalk-admins@umich.edu From: Lorenzo Perone Subject: Re: connection to server Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hi, >#2 share the users' home directory(~). This will be similar to apple's idisk >where an icon shows up on the desktop with the username and all the files >will be in it. The problem with this approach is that I can't use an alias >to connect to the server since every user's volume has a different name. I >don't want the kids messing with the chooser. Does anyone know of an >application or an applescript or something that will allow you to connect to >a server and gets its list of volumes? - If it can be of any interest - I could only get one kind of AppleScript to mount Netatalk volumes fairly reliably (on OS9 as well as on OSX + NetAtalk): try mount volume "ShareNameAsInAppleVolumes.default/user" on server "ServerNameAsInAfpd.ConfConfigurationLine" as user name "username" on error say "oohps!" end try On OSX, and in general with NetAtalk, the password option did not work for me, and to make the above script work, I had first to save the passwords in the KeyChain and allow access, and then call them like that. In some cases it was enough to specify the server without the user name. Note that "on server" seems to require the Server name as it appears in the chooser - even if you have atalkd not running and / or AppleTalk switched off. Are the kids already able to type their names? In that case an AS _could_ look like on run set KidQuestion to display dialog "Please type Your name" default answer "here" buttons {"no","done") if button returned of KidQuestion is "no" then return set KidAnswer to text returned of KidQuestion set KidServer to KidAnswer & " Home" -- (or just KidAnswer) try mount volume KidServer on server "ServerNameAsInAfpd.ConfConfigurationLine" as user KidAnswer on error say "Are You trying to KID me?" end try end run depending on how long and how much you fight with the mount volume command, you might get it to do what you need.... (in this case, the password would still be taken from the KeyChain) :-) Lorenzo At 13:47 Uhr -0500 14.04.2001, John Arends wrote: >I'm considering using a netatalk server in a school with 3rd through 5th >graders. Right now we have one big novell server that handles library stuff >which is all PC, and also has the student files. (all student machines are >macs) It isn't working well. > >I'd like to put up a netatalk server for student files, but I have some >issues with how students will connect to it. We don't want them using the >chooser, so we have resorted to desktop aliases so far. > >I have 2 possible solutions, but neither works ideally. > >#1 A setup like we have now. I create a netatalk volume for /home/ and it >has all the users folders in it. The click on their folder and save into it. >This is what we have now. Novell's permissions allow folders that the >students don't have access to to be invisible. When they open the users >folder, the only folder they see in it is their own. With netatalk, folders >the kids don't have access to just have the icons showing they can't open >them. With close to 500 users this isn't acceptable to have that many >folders visible. it will be too slow. Does anyone know a way to make the >other users' folders invisible? > >#2 share the users' home directory(~). This will be similar to apple's idisk >where an icon shows up on the desktop with the username and all the files >will be in it. The problem with this approach is that I can't use an alias >to connect to the server since every user's volume has a different name. I >don't want the kids messing with the chooser. Does anyone know of an >application or an applescript or something that will allow you to connect to >a server and gets its list of volumes? > > > >One way I could solve #2 is to name the home directory "Home" rather than >the username. The problem with this however is that people will not be able >to tell who is logged in since it will always be called home. Therefore I >definitely do not want to do this. > > >Comments anyone? I'd be really interested how other people have this set up. From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Tue Apr 17 19:00:20 2001 Return-Path: Received: from easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.26]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id TAA05729 for ; Tue, 17 Apr 2001 19:00:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id TAA25110 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Tue, 17 Apr 2001 19:00:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id TAA25093 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Tue, 17 Apr 2001 19:00:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rgrjr.dyndns.org (h0050da615e79.ne.mediaone.net [24.218.161.12]) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with SMTP id TAA25073 for ; Tue, 17 Apr 2001 19:00:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 778 invoked by uid 500); 17 Apr 2001 23:00:14 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <15068.51966.504285.446070@h0050da615e79.ne.mediaone.net> Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2001 19:00:14 -0400 From: Bob Rogers To: Lance Levsen Cc: netatalk-admins Subject: Timestamps In-Reply-To: <20010417212147.B24297987@cossette.dante.ca> References: <20010417212147.B24297987@cossette.dante.ca> X-Mailer: VM 6.89 under Emacs 20.7.1 From: Lance Levsen Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2001 15:21:47 -0600 One of the turnkeys we dropped off at a clients has developed a timestamp problem. Quark images that are being served from the Netatalk server all came up as being modified in Quark. The only thing that changed was daylight savings. Does anyone recognize this and is it a Netatalk prb or a Mac problem? This came up about ten days ago on netatalk-devel@lists.sourceforge.net; the thread subject was "Netatalk file time problems". We figured it was a Mac bug -- netatalk was sending the correct UTC times for files created during standard time, but the Mac was reporting DST for all file dates. -- Bob Rogers From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Wed Apr 18 02:13:14 2001 Return-Path: Received: from kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.25]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id CAA20096 for ; Wed, 18 Apr 2001 02:13:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id CAA09736 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Wed, 18 Apr 2001 02:13:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id CAA09734 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Wed, 18 Apr 2001 02:13:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60]) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id CAA09724 for ; Wed, 18 Apr 2001 02:13:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 208-59-113-219.c3-0.129-ubr2.lnh-129.md.cable.rcn.com ([208.59.113.219] helo=nat1) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.16 #5) id 14plDD-0001q2-00 for netatalk-admins@umich.edu; Wed, 18 Apr 2001 02:13:11 -0400 Message-ID: <00d301c0c7ce$7ea1b090$0300a8c0@nat1.rcn.com> From: "Nathaniel Pendleton" To: Subject: Netatalk data backup with CD-R Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 02:12:06 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Is there a recommended way to backup my MacOS files on my Linux netatalk server? I have SCSI CD-R and a SCSI PCI card to setup on Linux. What file format on the CD-R should / can I use? HFS? can I make an HFS CD-R from linux? to reliably open on MacOS. ext2? can I record all the .AppleDouble and permissions onto an ext2 CD-R? But be forced to linux to recover. ISO9660? can I use the very portable ISO9660 and .AppleDouble? But then how can I reliably reconstitute type/creator and resource fork on a MacOS file stored on ISO9660? OR should I move everything across the network to a MacOS machine with CD-R? That would be really annoying. -Nathaniel From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Wed Apr 18 07:27:24 2001 Return-Path: Received: from funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.27]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id HAA26649 for ; Wed, 18 Apr 2001 07:27:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id HAA12137 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Wed, 18 Apr 2001 07:27:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id HAA12118 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Wed, 18 Apr 2001 07:27:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from yellow.csi.cam.ac.uk (yellow.csi.cam.ac.uk [131.111.8.67]) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id HAA12094 for ; Wed, 18 Apr 2001 07:27:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ih207 (helo=localhost) by yellow.csi.cam.ac.uk with local-esmtp (Exim 3.22 #1) id 14pq7G-00075N-00 for netatalk-admins@umich.edu; Wed, 18 Apr 2001 12:27:22 +0100 Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 12:27:22 +0100 (BST) From: Ian Hitchman X-X-Sender: To: Subject: double click problem Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Dear Netatalk, Please could someone help me. I have a big problem. System redhat 7 netatalk-1.4b2+asun2.1.4-0.i386.rpm + netatalk-1.5pre6-1rh7.i386.rpm. I am not sure if this is a netatalk or network problem. I recently added some disks to a hardware raid 5 array and after copying with rsync user directories back I noticed that I could not open a number of photoshop files on double click from the server. Files drag and drop fine, many double click open intermittently. Files opened through the application can take some time to open on a quiet network, many hang and crash the Mac. I have two similar boxes on the same switch and they appear to be fine except for DID errors. I have copied users to Macs and then back to the server remaking there home directories but to no avail. I get no syslog errors. Has anyone else had this? All the best Ian. From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Wed Apr 18 09:08:27 2001 Return-Path: Received: from funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.27]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id JAA00217 for ; Wed, 18 Apr 2001 09:08:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id JAA04562 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Wed, 18 Apr 2001 09:08:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id JAA04533 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Wed, 18 Apr 2001 09:08:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smart.visp-europe.psi.com (smart.visp-europe.psi.com [212.222.105.5]) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id JAA04490 for ; Wed, 18 Apr 2001 09:08:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ns07-n66-074.de.inter.net ([213.73.66.74] helo=athlet.deltaman.de) by smart.visp-europe.psi.com with esmtp (Exim 3.22 #1) id 14prh1-0004Br-00 for netatalk-admins@umich.edu; Wed, 18 Apr 2001 15:08:23 +0200 Received: from athlet (root@athlet.deltaman.de [192.168.1.1]) by athlet.deltaman.de (8.9.3/8.9.3/SuSE Linux 8.9.3-0.1) with SMTP id PAA25998 for ; Wed, 18 Apr 2001 15:06:25 +0200 From: Carsten Neumann Reply-To: deltor@snafu.de To: netatalk-admins@umich.edu Subject: Re: Netatalk data backup with CD-R Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 14:59:17 +0200 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.0.28] Content-Type: text/plain References: <00d301c0c7ce$7ea1b090$0300a8c0@nat1.rcn.com> In-Reply-To: <00d301c0c7ce$7ea1b090$0300a8c0@nat1.rcn.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <01041815062500.25690@athlet> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu id JAA00217 On Wed, 18 Apr 2001, Nathaniel Pendleton wrote: > Is there a recommended way to backup my MacOS files > on my Linux netatalk server? > > I have SCSI CD-R and a SCSI PCI card to setup on Linux. > > What file format on the CD-R should / can I use? > HFS? can I make an HFS CD-R from linux? to reliably open on MacOS. > ext2? can I record all the .AppleDouble and permissions onto an ext2 CD-R? > But be forced to linux to recover. > ISO9660? can I use the very portable ISO9660 and .AppleDouble? > But then how can I reliably reconstitute type/creator and > resource fork > on a MacOS file stored on ISO9660? > > OR should I move everything across the network to a MacOS machine with CD-R? > That would be really annoying. > > -Nathaniel Look at the mkhybrid(8) man page, there is a --netatalk option. Mkhybrid creates an ISO9660 file system image with HFS extension. You can write this image via e.g. cdrecord(1) onto your cd-r. This will be exactly what you want. HTH, regards Carsten From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Wed Apr 18 14:24:12 2001 Return-Path: Received: from kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.25]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id OAA12909 for ; Wed, 18 Apr 2001 14:24:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id OAA02335 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Wed, 18 Apr 2001 14:24:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id OAA02315 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Wed, 18 Apr 2001 14:24:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay.mail.pipex.net (relay.mail.pipex.net [158.43.128.38]) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with SMTP id OAA02250 for ; Wed, 18 Apr 2001 14:24:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 28074 invoked from network); 18 Apr 2001 18:24:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO netpilotbr.broadley.hopkins.co.uk) (62.189.170.1) by relay.mail.pipex.net with SMTP; 18 Apr 2001 18:24:08 -0000 Received: from 194.159.148.247 (unknown [194.159.148.247]) by netpilotbr.broadley.hopkins.co.uk (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3619A1A002; Wed, 18 Apr 2001 19:22:03 +0100 (BST) Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 18:05:17 +0100 From: Rory Campbell-Lange Subject: Re: Case senstivity To: Matthew Keller Cc: netatalk-admins@umich.edu X-Priority: 3 In-Reply-To: <987600715.779.9.camel@comp10574.potsdam.edu> Message-ID: <20010418192416-r01010600-1c65977a@194.159.148.247> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; Charset=US-ASCII X-Mailer: Mailsmith 1.1.6 (Bluto) Matthew Thanks very much indeed for your response. I've downloaded and installed 1.5pre6. I've got a couple of new problems. Can you help? I've installed on Debian. I had to edit the paths of afpd et al from /usr/sbin to /usr/local/sbin etc. I should have set this path in configure I realise. More problematic is that I don't think the install is seeing my /etc/netatalk configuration files. I reckon this is the case because the server is showing up in the chooser with the Linux box's host name rather than the one in my AppleVolumes.default file. Trying to log onto the server (which does show up in the chooser) I get the following error message when trying to connect to the server: "The UAM method required by this server cannot be found..." Interestingly, if a do a find for "AppleVolumes.default", there is one in my /etc/netatalk folder (made by Debian) and one in the source directory (/config) and one in the source config none directory (/config/NONE/etc/). I don't quite know which one to use! Thanks for any help. Rory On 18/4/01, kellermg@potsdam.edu (Matthew Keller) wrote: > On 18 Apr 2001 02:38:29 +0100, Rory Campbell-Lange wrote: > > The casefold option works on the server for new folders and files > > for both lowercase and uppercase. However if I try to open an > > existing directory there is an error message. Do you know if this is > > something that has sorted out in the 1.5pre5 release? > > This issue (which is rare) was, I believe, fixed in the > 1.4B2+asun2.1.4 - But should definitely be fine in pre1.5. I > recommend, if possible, installing 1.5pre**6** (the latest and very > very stable (almost release grade)) and testing. I'd love feedback. > > > I also find that apple mac client aliases to the server and folders > > on the server don't work. > > Fixed in 1.4B2+asun2.1.4, and works fine in pre1.5. > > > Thanks for your help. I'd be grateful to know if you advise > > upgrading to the 1.5pre5 release and compile this from source. > > Again, 1.5pre6 is the latest release, and fixes a large number of bugs > from 1.5pre5. I can't recommend it for production environments (even > though I'm using it in several. Shhhhh ;) It is very stable. From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Wed Apr 18 14:46:17 2001 Return-Path: Received: from kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.25]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id OAA13719 for ; Wed, 18 Apr 2001 14:46:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id OAA07165 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Wed, 18 Apr 2001 14:46:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id OAA07125 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Wed, 18 Apr 2001 14:46:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from univrel.pr.uconn.edu (univrel.pr.uconn.edu [137.99.59.30]) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id OAA07075 for ; Wed, 18 Apr 2001 14:46:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from univrel.pr.uconn.edu (test.pr.uconn.edu [137.99.59.90]) by univrel.pr.uconn.edu (8.11.2/linuxconf) with ESMTP id f3IIk7n20050; Wed, 18 Apr 2001 14:46:07 -0400 Sender: root@univrel.pr.uconn.edu Message-ID: <3ADDE0D5.60E30CE9@univrel.pr.uconn.edu> Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 14:45:41 -0400 From: jeff X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.17-21mdksmp i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Rory Campbell-Lange CC: Matthew Keller , netatalk-admins@umich.edu Subject: Re: Case senstivity References: <20010418192416-r01010600-1c65977a@194.159.148.247> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Rory Campbell-Lange wrote: -- SNIP -- > More problematic is that I don't think the install is seeing my > /etc/netatalk configuration files. I reckon this is the case because the > server is showing up in the chooser with the Linux box's host name > rather than the one in my AppleVolumes.default file. Change /etc/netatalk/netatalk.conf to use the box's preferred name. Try to avoid spaces. > Trying to log onto the server (which does show up in the chooser) I get > the following error message when trying to connect to the server: > > "The UAM method required by this server cannot be found..." Are the UAMs loading? Check your logs. If they are, it is possible that your AppleShare Client is out of date. Check Apple's website to see what the newest version for your version of MacOS is. > Interestingly, if a do a find for "AppleVolumes.default", there is one > in my /etc/netatalk folder (made by Debian) and one in the source > directory (/config) and one in the source config none directory > (/config/NONE/etc/). > > I don't quite know which one to use! The /etc/netatalk one, I believe. jeff From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Wed Apr 18 17:15:33 2001 Return-Path: Received: from easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.26]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id RAA20455 for ; Wed, 18 Apr 2001 17:15:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id RAA10400 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Wed, 18 Apr 2001 17:15:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id RAA10380 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Wed, 18 Apr 2001 17:15:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from s1.uklinux.net (ns1.uklinux.net [212.1.130.11]) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id RAA09371 for ; Wed, 18 Apr 2001 17:15:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 212.1.149.128 (ppp-2-128.cvx4.telinco.net [212.1.149.128]) by s1.uklinux.net (8.11.2/8.11.1) with ESMTP id f3ILEQn25911; Wed, 18 Apr 2001 22:14:26 +0100 Envelope-To: netatalk-admins@umich.edu Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 22:10:46 +0100 From: Rory Campbell-Lange Subject: Re: Case senstivity To: jeff cc: Matthew Keller , netatalk-admins@umich.edu X-Priority: 3 In-Reply-To: <3ADDE0D5.60E30CE9@univrel.pr.uconn.edu> Message-ID: <20010418221048-r01010600-366de85a@212.1.149.128> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; Charset=US-ASCII X-Mailer: Mailsmith 1.1.6 (Bluto) On 18/4/01, jeff@univrel.pr.uconn.edu (jeff) wrote: > Rory Campbell-Lange wrote: -- SNIP -- > Change /etc/netatalk/netatalk.conf to use the box's preferred > name. Try to avoid spaces. will do. > > "The UAM method required by this server cannot be found..." > Are the UAMs loading? Check your logs. nope! I've moved the uams directory to /etc/uams. I guess I need to qualify this path afpd.conf (sorry - not at my linux box now, this is by memory) to point to /etc/uams/cleartxt.so or whatever. Do you have your uams in the same /etc/netatalk directory? > If they are, it is possible that your AppleShare Client is out of > date. Check Apple's website to see what the newest version for > your version of MacOS is. I'm running OS 9.0.4, but I'll check this anyway. Thanks. > > Interestingly, if a do a find for "AppleVolumes.default", there > > is one in my /etc/netatalk folder (made by Debian) and one in > > the source directory (/config) and one in the source > > config none directory (/config/NONE/etc/). > > > > I don't quite know which one to use! > > The /etc/netatalk one, I believe. Great! I was wondering if the very long directory paths leading to the NONE folders where what I needed. Thanks very much for your help. Regards Rory -- Rory Campbell-Lange The Campbell-Lange Workshop London From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Wed Apr 18 17:26:28 2001 Return-Path: Received: from funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.27]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id RAA20729 for ; Wed, 18 Apr 2001 17:26:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id RAA21661 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Wed, 18 Apr 2001 17:26:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id RAA21651 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Wed, 18 Apr 2001 17:26:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vulcan.borgspace.alpha ([213.97.106.73]) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id RAA21596 for ; Wed, 18 Apr 2001 17:26:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (tangy.borgspace.alpha [10.0.0.3]) by vulcan.borgspace.alpha (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id f3ILMr079063 for ; Wed, 18 Apr 2001 23:22:55 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from jasonq@mac.com) Message-Id: <200104182122.f3ILMr079063@vulcan.borgspace.alpha> Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 23:26:19 +0200 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.387) From: Jason Quigley To: netatalk-admins@umich.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v387) In-Reply-To: <20010418192416-r01010600-1c65977a@194.159.148.247> Subject: OSX: 1.5pre6: FreeBSD 4.2: observation... Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi everyone! I have noticed a something a little odd with this build. When I connect to the server directly through the finder's "Connect To Server" menu option and enter my password, I get a dialogue box saying that the server has unexpectedly disconnected. I got the following message in /var/log/messages: "afpd[79000]: dsi_stream_read(0): Operation not supported" I keep all my music in a shared directory and I have a Keychain entry for the server/share already defined from a previous version of Netatalk. As a little test, I fired up iTunes and started playing some music. The share mounted and the music started playing. I opened the share from the desk top icon and was able to browse the directory without problems. Has anybody else noticed this sort of behaviour? Cheers, Jason. From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Wed Apr 18 17:45:51 2001 Return-Path: Received: from kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.25]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id RAA21356 for ; Wed, 18 Apr 2001 17:45:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id RAA14302 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Wed, 18 Apr 2001 17:45:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id RAA14266 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Wed, 18 Apr 2001 17:45:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from frank.gwc.org.uk (frank.gwc.org.uk [212.240.16.7]) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id RAA14209 for ; Wed, 18 Apr 2001 17:45:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (ali@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by frank.gwc.org.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA07362; Wed, 18 Apr 2001 22:45:38 +0100 Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 22:45:38 +0100 (BST) From: Alistair Riddell To: Lance Levsen cc: LINUX-ATALK@netspace.org, netatalk-admins Subject: Re: Netatalk and raid In-Reply-To: <20010417194637.862EA7995@cossette.dante.ca> Message-ID: X-foo: bar MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I have a netatalk server with a 90GB (5x18GB 10000rpm SCSI160) software raid0 array, with a reiserfs filesystem on it. Works just fine, and its hella lot faster than any crappy ASIP server. On Tue, 17 Apr 2001, Lance Levsen wrote: > > Anyone here using Netatalk and the Linux software raid together? > > I'm curious if this is a valid setup, and what your setup might be. > > Cheers, > -- Alistair Riddell - BOFH IT Support Department, George Watson's College, Edinburgh Tel: +44 131 447 7931 Ext 176 Fax: +44 131 452 8594 Microsoft - because god hates us From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Wed Apr 18 20:02:18 2001 Return-Path: Received: from kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.25]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id UAA25673 for ; Wed, 18 Apr 2001 20:02:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id UAA17578 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Wed, 18 Apr 2001 20:02:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id UAA17556 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Wed, 18 Apr 2001 20:02:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smart.visp-europe.psi.com (smart.visp-europe.psi.com [212.222.105.5]) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id UAA17510 for ; Wed, 18 Apr 2001 20:02:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ns01-n70-120.de.inter.net ([213.73.70.120] helo=athlet.deltaman.de) by smart.visp-europe.psi.com with esmtp (Exim 3.22 #1) id 14q1tm-0003KL-00 for netatalk-admins@umich.edu; Thu, 19 Apr 2001 02:02:14 +0200 Received: from athlet (root@athlet.deltaman.de [192.168.1.1]) by athlet.deltaman.de (8.9.3/8.9.3/SuSE Linux 8.9.3-0.1) with SMTP id CAA02700 for ; Thu, 19 Apr 2001 02:01:20 +0200 From: Carsten Neumann Reply-To: deltor@snafu.de To: netatalk-admins@umich.edu Subject: Folder icon incompatibility problem Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 00:43:31 +0200 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.0.28] Content-Type: text/plain MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <01041902012002.25690@athlet> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu id UAA25673 Hi all, I just encountered a problem with folder icon names regarding HFS and netatalk. What I did: 1. I copied folders with non-standard icons to my netatalk server. 2. I made a CD image of the folder containing those mentioned above: mkhybrid -hfs -a --netatalk -o 3. I mounted that image: mount -t hfs -o loop,ro,afpd 4. I mounted that volume on my Mac. Effect: The non-standard icons are not shown on my mounted image. What I detected: The folder icon names in had the name "Icon^M" (Carriage Return at the end). The forder icon names in had the name "Icon:0d" I think that this is an inconsistent handling by netatalk. Usually special characters are translated to : but not CR! I have 1.5pre5 installed using kernel 2.2.13. Is this problem unknown or wasn't it changed due to compatibility aspects with older netatalk versions? Will this be changed in the future? Last note: I've just checked if the translation is mkhybrid or HFS related. Also original Apple-CDs showed "Icon:0d" names. So mkhybrid is not responsible for the translation. Thanks and kind regards Carsten From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Thu Apr 19 08:42:20 2001 Return-Path: Received: from funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.27]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id IAA13917 for ; Thu, 19 Apr 2001 08:42:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id IAA11439 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Thu, 19 Apr 2001 08:42:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id IAA11418 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Thu, 19 Apr 2001 08:42:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay.mail.pipex.net (relay.mail.pipex.net [158.43.128.38]) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with SMTP id IAA11376 for ; Thu, 19 Apr 2001 08:42:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 16918 invoked from network); 19 Apr 2001 12:42:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO netpilotbr.broadley.hopkins.co.uk) (62.189.170.1) by relay.mail.pipex.net with SMTP; 19 Apr 2001 12:42:16 -0000 Received: from 194.159.148.247 (unknown [194.159.148.247]) by netpilotbr.broadley.hopkins.co.uk (Postfix) with ESMTP id D49011A002 for ; Thu, 19 Apr 2001 13:40:00 +0100 (BST) Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 13:42:03 +0100 From: Rory Campbell-Lange Subject: Install path problem on Debian To: netatalk-admins@umich.edu X-Priority: 3 Message-ID: <20010419134214-r01010600-fd7216d1@194.159.148.247> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; Charset=US-ASCII X-Mailer: Mailsmith 1.1.6 (Bluto) Sender: campbell-lange@mail.campbell-lange.net Hi I'm trying to build 1.5pre6. I've never installed something from source before. I have done the ./configure and make steps, but it is clear that I've installed things to the wrong directories. (See extracts in the daemon log when I try to startup). The binaries are installed to /usr/local/sbin. However all the config files are installed within the source directory itself. Reading the INSTALL and README files suggest that I should state a destination directory for the install in the Makefile. However configure also takes directory paths for the install - I tried ./configure --prefix=/usr --with-config-dir=/etc \ --with-uams-path=/etc/uams but it didn't work. Thanks for ANY help! Rory atalkd[16646]: NONE/etc/atalkd.tmp: No such file or directory atalkd[16646]: ready 0/0/0 afpd[16650]: hopnet2:AFPServer@* started on 6.42:128 (1.5pre6) afpd[16650]: ASIP started on x.x.x.x:548(1) (1.5pre6) afpd[16650]: uam : Loading (NONE/etc/uams/uams_guest.so) afpd[16650]: uam: uam not found (status=-1) afpd[16650]: uam : Loading (NONE/etc/uams/uams_clrtxt.so) afpd[16650]: uam: uam not found (status=-1) afpd[16650]: uam : Loading (NONE/etc/uams/uams_dhx.so) afpd[16650]: uam: uam not found (status=-1) ----- From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Thu Apr 19 08:51:26 2001 Return-Path: Received: from easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.26]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id IAA14183 for ; Thu, 19 Apr 2001 08:51:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id IAA28937 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Thu, 19 Apr 2001 08:51:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id IAA28913 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Thu, 19 Apr 2001 08:51:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dns2.northox.ac.uk (dns2.northox.ac.uk [195.194.168.132]) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id IAA28856 for ; Thu, 19 Apr 2001 08:51:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.northox.ac.uk (mail.northox.ac.uk [195.194.168.139]) by dns2.northox.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3/SuSE Linux 8.9.3-0.1) with ESMTP id MAA15444 for ; Thu, 19 Apr 2001 12:51:07 GMT Received: from BANBURY1/SpoolDir by mail.northox.ac.uk (Mercury 1.48); 19 Apr 01 13:47:16 +0000 Received: from SpoolDir by BANBURY1 (Mercury 1.48); 19 Apr 01 13:46:43 +0000 Received: from [192.168.3.51] (192.168.3.51) by mail.northox.ac.uk (Mercury 1.48) with ESMTP; 19 Apr 01 13:46:28 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: tallett@192.168.1.2 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20010418221048-r01010600-366de85a@212.1.149.128> References: <20010418221048-r01010600-366de85a@212.1.149.128> Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 13:49:44 +0100 To: netatalk-admins@umich.edu From: trevor allett Subject: OS X-Netatalk-thought Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Hi all, now that Apple has OS X, which by all accounts is based on some strain of U*nix and Netatalk provides translation between Apple and linux, would not a more direct approach, now be to NFS "underneath" the OS X GUI? just a thought! -- ============================== Trevor Allett IT Support unit North Oxfordshire College, Banbury, Oxfordshire. 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Such notification notwithstanding, any comments or opinions expressed are those of the originator, not of North Oxfordshire College and School of Art, unless otherwise explicitly stated. ================================================================= From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Thu Apr 19 08:57:43 2001 Return-Path: Received: from kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.25]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id IAA14454 for ; Thu, 19 Apr 2001 08:57:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id IAA06380 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Thu, 19 Apr 2001 08:57:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id IAA06361 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Thu, 19 Apr 2001 08:57:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cacophonix.circlesquared.com ([193.133.196.154]) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id IAA06224 for ; Thu, 19 Apr 2001 08:57:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dogmatix.circlesquared.com (circlesquared.com) [193.133.196.147] by cacophonix.circlesquared.com with esmtp (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 14qDzZ-0004PI-00; Thu, 19 Apr 2001 13:57:01 +0100 Sender: peter@circlesquared.com Message-ID: <3ADEE0A7.239E703B@circlesquared.com> Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 13:57:11 +0100 From: Peter Risdon X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (X11; U; FreeBSD 4.2-RELEASE i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: trevor allett CC: netatalk-admins@umich.edu Subject: Re: OS X-Netatalk-thought References: <20010418221048-r01010600-366de85a@212.1.149.128> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit OSX includes nfs tools. In fact, its approach to networking is very different from OS 9 and below. You're in the UK: see the current edition of MacWorld for more info. trevor allett wrote: > > Hi all, now that Apple has OS X, which by all accounts is based on > some strain of U*nix and Netatalk provides translation between Apple > and linux, would not a more direct approach, now be to NFS > "underneath" the OS X GUI? > > just a thought! > -- > ============================== > Trevor Allett -- Peter Risdon circle squared 9 The Maltings, Millfield, Cottenham, Cambridge, CB4 8RE UK tel +44 1954 251097 fax +44 1954 252209 While every effort is made to ensure this mail and its attachments are free of viruses and other malicious software, recipients should take their own precautions. This mail is intended for the addressees only. 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From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Thu Apr 19 08:58:22 2001 Return-Path: Received: from easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.26]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id IAA14493 for ; Thu, 19 Apr 2001 08:58:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id IAA11580 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Thu, 19 Apr 2001 08:58:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id IAA11558 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Thu, 19 Apr 2001 08:58:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vulcan.borgspace.alpha ([213.97.106.73]) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id IAA11508 for ; Thu, 19 Apr 2001 08:58:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (tangy.borgspace.alpha [10.0.0.3]) by vulcan.borgspace.alpha (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id f3JCsm083466; Thu, 19 Apr 2001 14:54:49 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from jasonq@mac.com) Message-Id: <200104191254.f3JCsm083466@vulcan.borgspace.alpha> Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 14:58:15 +0200 From: Jason Quigley Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Install path problem on Debian Cc: netatalk-admins@umich.edu To: Rory Campbell-Lange X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.387) In-Reply-To: <20010419134214-r01010600-fd7216d1@194.159.148.247> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v387) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Rory! I too had the same or a very similar problem under FreeBSD. It appears that the default configuration directory (--with-config-dir=path path to config files [default=/usr/local/etc]) is being ignored: ... setting configuration files location to NONE/etc <---- Here AUTHORS: not found * FreeBSD specific configuration checking for main in -lcrypto... (cached) yes ... I just configured with --with-config-dir=/usr/local/etc/atalk and everything was fine. Cheers, Jason. On Thursday, April 19, 2001, at 02:42 pm, Rory Campbell-Lange wrote: > Hi > > I'm trying to build 1.5pre6. I've never installed something from source > before. > > I have done the ./configure and make steps, but it is clear that I've > installed things to the wrong directories. (See extracts in the daemon > log when I try to startup). The binaries are installed to > /usr/local/sbin. However all the config files are installed within the > source directory itself. > > Reading the INSTALL and README files suggest that I should state a > destination directory for the install in the Makefile. However configure > also takes directory paths for the install - I tried > > ./configure --prefix=/usr --with-config-dir=/etc \ > --with-uams-path=/etc/uams > > but it didn't work. > > Thanks for ANY help! > Rory > > > atalkd[16646]: NONE/etc/atalkd.tmp: No such file or directory > atalkd[16646]: ready 0/0/0 > afpd[16650]: hopnet2:AFPServer@* started on 6.42:128 (1.5pre6) > afpd[16650]: ASIP started on x.x.x.x:548(1) (1.5pre6) > afpd[16650]: uam : Loading (NONE/etc/uams/uams_guest.so) > afpd[16650]: uam: uam not found (status=-1) > afpd[16650]: uam : Loading (NONE/etc/uams/uams_clrtxt.so) > afpd[16650]: uam: uam not found (status=-1) > afpd[16650]: uam : Loading (NONE/etc/uams/uams_dhx.so) > afpd[16650]: uam: uam not found (status=-1) > > ----- > From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Thu Apr 19 09:22:25 2001 Return-Path: Received: from funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.27]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id JAA15412 for ; Thu, 19 Apr 2001 09:22:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id JAA09906 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Thu, 19 Apr 2001 09:22:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id JAA09867 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Thu, 19 Apr 2001 09:22:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from potsdam.edu (potsdam.edu [137.143.110.101]) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with SMTP id JAA09835 for ; Thu, 19 Apr 2001 09:22:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 25745 invoked by alias); 19 Apr 2001 13:22:28 -0000 Received: (qmail 25728 invoked by uid 0); 19 Apr 2001 13:22:27 -0000 Received: from comp10574.potsdam.edu (137.143.111.133) by potsdam.edu with SMTP; 19 Apr 2001 13:22:27 -0000 Subject: Re: OS X-Netatalk-thought From: Matthew Keller To: trevor allett Cc: netatalk-admins@umich.edu In-Reply-To: References: <20010418221048-r01010600-366de85a@212.1.149.128> Content-Type: text/plain X-Mailer: Evolution/0.10+cvs.2001.04.11.08.00 (Preview Release) Date: 19 Apr 2001 09:22:18 -0400 Message-Id: <987686538.823.11.camel@comp10574.potsdam.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 NFS on OS X is not very good, and doesn't play nice with many other NFS's (Linux, Sun, IRIX, AIX I've tried). I can get mounts on occasion, but throughput is horrible, and OSX seems to have a low-limit on the number of TCP/UDP sockets it has open because it stalls dramatically (causing NFS to have to be restarted) under even "mid-level" loads. On 19 Apr 2001 13:49:44 +0100, trevor allett wrote: > Hi all, now that Apple has OS X, which by all accounts is based on > some strain of U*nix and Netatalk provides translation between Apple > and linux, would not a more direct approach, now be to NFS > "underneath" the OS X GUI? > > just a thought! > -- > ============================== > Trevor Allett > IT Support unit > North Oxfordshire College, > Banbury, > Oxfordshire. United Kingdom. > ======================================= > ============================================ > This message may contain information which is legally privileged > and/or confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, you > are hereby notified that any unauthorised disclosure, copying, > distribution or use of this information is strictly prohibited. > Such notification notwithstanding, any comments or opinions > expressed are those of the originator, not of > North Oxfordshire College and School of Art, > unless otherwise explicitly stated. > ================================================================= > > -- Matthew Keller Enterprise System Analyst Computing & Technology Services Information Services Division State University of NY at Potsdam Potsdam, NY USA http://mattwork.potsdam.edu/ From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Thu Apr 19 09:36:31 2001 Return-Path: Received: from funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.27]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id JAA15894 for ; Thu, 19 Apr 2001 09:36:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id JAA04261 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Thu, 19 Apr 2001 09:36:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id JAA04237 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Thu, 19 Apr 2001 09:36:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dias.kvl.dk (macserver.dias.kvl.dk [130.225.171.85]) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id JAA04023 for ; Thu, 19 Apr 2001 09:36:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [130.226.186.240] (130.226.186.240) by dias.kvl.dk with ESMTP (Eudora Internet Mail Server 2.2.2); Thu, 19 Apr 2001 14:39:46 +0100 X-Sender: p.seiden@mail.dias.kvl.dk Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 15:37:02 +0200 To: netatalk-admins@umich.edu From: Piet Seiden Subject: Mac OS X client and netatalk woes I have som problems getting hold of files on my share when accessing it from OS X. I run netatalk-1.4b2+asun2.1.3 on FreeBSD 4.2 and when I try to copy files from my share I get an error (-45) message telling me that the requested files could not be found (not the exact wording). I can get at files on a Mac OS 9.1 share running on another mac, so I guess it has something to do with netatalk. I've only tried TCP/IP, not native AppleTalk. Upgrading netatalk doesn't seem to be an option as I can't locate a newer version in the ports tree. Anybody else with similar experiences? Piet From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Thu Apr 19 09:46:13 2001 Return-Path: Received: from kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.25]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id JAA16155 for ; Thu, 19 Apr 2001 09:46:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id JAA02537 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Thu, 19 Apr 2001 09:46:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id JAA02513 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Thu, 19 Apr 2001 09:46:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mpcomm1e.mainpost.de ([193.102.192.83]) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id JAA02477 for ; Thu, 19 Apr 2001 09:46:10 -0400 (EDT) From: Michael.Kindermann@mainpost.de Subject: user statistic To: netatalk-admins@umich.edu X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 5.0.4 June 8, 2000 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 15:46:40 +0200 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on MPCOMM01/Comm/Mainpost/DE(Release 5.0.4 |June 8, 2000) at 19.04.2001 15:48:35 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii hello, our server (linux 2.2.10) is running natalk 1.4b2 + asun2.1.4 . is there a possibility get some statistics who is using the server by appletalk. The server is also running samba, so there are alot of computers connected. MfG Michael Kindermann michael.kindermann@mainpost.de Wuerzburg/Germsmany From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Thu Apr 19 09:51:07 2001 Return-Path: Received: from kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.25]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id JAA16289 for ; Thu, 19 Apr 2001 09:51:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id JAA10220 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Thu, 19 Apr 2001 09:51:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id JAA10202 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Thu, 19 Apr 2001 09:51:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay.mail.pipex.net (relay.mail.pipex.net [158.43.128.38]) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with SMTP id JAA10164 for ; Thu, 19 Apr 2001 09:51:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 26080 invoked from network); 19 Apr 2001 13:51:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO netpilotbr.broadley.hopkins.co.uk) (62.189.170.1) by relay.mail.pipex.net with SMTP; 19 Apr 2001 13:51:02 -0000 Received: from 194.159.148.247 (unknown [194.159.148.247]) by netpilotbr.broadley.hopkins.co.uk (Postfix) with ESMTP id D6BD81A003; Thu, 19 Apr 2001 14:48:42 +0100 (BST) Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 14:50:12 +0100 From: Rory Campbell-Lange Subject: Re: Install path problem on Debian To: Jason Quigley Cc: netatalk-admins@umich.edu X-Priority: 3 In-Reply-To: <200104191254.f3JCsm083466@vulcan.borgspace.alpha> Message-ID: <20010419145056-r01010600-66ea8ce8@194.159.148.247> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; Charset=US-ASCII X-Mailer: Mailsmith 1.1.6 (Bluto) On 19/4/01, jasonq@mac.com (Jason Quigley) wrote: > I just configured with --with-config-dir=/usr/local/etc/atalk and > everything was fine. Jason Thanks a ton for your useful info. I've done what you have suggested but it still doesn't work. I wonder if this is because I've got netatalk installed already. The make programme doesn't seem to be deleting this. Thanks again! Rory --------------------- .configure setup: ./configure --prefix=/usr --with-config-dir=/etc \ --with-uams-path=/etc/uams My Makefile includes the following as a result: --------------------- SHELL = /bin/sh srcdir = . top_srcdir = . prefix = /usr exec_prefix = ${prefix} bindir = ${exec_prefix}/bin sbindir = ${exec_prefix}/sbin libexecdir = ${exec_prefix}/libexec datadir = ${prefix}/share sysconfdir = ${prefix}/etc sharedstatedir = ${prefix}/com localstatedir = ${prefix}/var libdir = ${exec_prefix}/lib infodir = ${prefix}/info mandir = ${prefix}/man includedir = ${prefix}/include oldincludedir = /usr/include DESTDIR = pkgdatadir = $(datadir)/netatalk pkglibdir = $(libdir)/netatalk pkgincludedir = $(includedir)/netatalk --------------------- make check reports stuff like make[1]: Entering directory `/home/rory/netatalk_source/netatalk-1.5pre6/config' sed -e s@:UAMS_PATH:@/etc@ \ -e s@:NLS_PATH:@/etc/nls@ \ -e s@:ETCDIR:@/etc@ \ and sed -e s@:SBINDIR:@/usr/sbin@ \ -e s@:BINDIR:@/usr/bin@ \ -e s@:ETCDIR:@/etc@ \ -e s@:LIBDIR:@/usr/lib@ \ AppleVolumes.default.5 sed -e s@:SBINDIR:@/usr/sbin@ \ -e s@:BINDIR:@/usr/bin@ \ -e s@:ETCDIR:@/etc@ \ -e s@:LIBDIR:@/usr/lib@ \ afpd.conf.5 sed -e s@:SBINDIR:@/usr/sbin@ \ -e s@:BINDIR:@/usr/bin@ \ -e s@:ETCDIR:@/etc@ \ -e s@:LIBDIR:@/usr/lib@ \ atalkd.conf.5 sed -e s@:SBINDIR:@/usr/sbin@ \ -e s@:BINDIR:@/usr/bin@ \ -e s@:ETCDIR:@/etc@ \ -e s@:LIBDIR:@/usr/lib@ \ netatalk.conf.5 sed -e s@:SBINDIR:@/usr/sbin@ \ -e s@:BINDIR:@/usr/bin@ \ -e s@:ETCDIR:@/etc@ \ -e s@:LIBDIR:@/usr/lib@ \ papd.conf.5 From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Thu Apr 19 10:03:37 2001 Return-Path: Received: from funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.27]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id KAA16657 for ; Thu, 19 Apr 2001 10:03:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id KAA12167 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Thu, 19 Apr 2001 10:03:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id KAA12152 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Thu, 19 Apr 2001 10:03:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from potsdam.edu (potsdam.edu [137.143.110.101]) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with SMTP id KAA11923 for ; Thu, 19 Apr 2001 10:03:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 10158 invoked by alias); 19 Apr 2001 14:03:30 -0000 Received: (qmail 10125 invoked by uid 0); 19 Apr 2001 14:03:27 -0000 Received: from comp10574.potsdam.edu (137.143.111.133) by potsdam.edu with SMTP; 19 Apr 2001 14:03:27 -0000 Subject: Re: Mac OS X client and netatalk woes From: Matthew Keller To: Piet Seiden Cc: netatalk-admins@umich.edu In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain X-Mailer: Evolution/0.10+cvs.2001.04.11.08.00 (Preview Release) Date: 19 Apr 2001 10:03:19 -0400 Message-Id: <987688999.824.14.camel@comp10574.potsdam.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 The 1.4B2 tree has not been developed since OSX was anywhere near released. I recommend trying 1.5pre6 and reporting problems with that version. On 19 Apr 2001 15:37:02 +0200, Piet Seiden wrote: > I have som problems getting hold of files on my share when accessing it > from OS X. I run netatalk-1.4b2+asun2.1.3 on FreeBSD 4.2 and when I try to > copy files from my share I get an error (-45) message telling me that the > requested files could not be found (not the exact wording). > > I can get at files on a Mac OS 9.1 share running on another mac, so I guess > it has something to do with netatalk. I've only tried TCP/IP, not native > AppleTalk. Upgrading netatalk doesn't seem to be an option as I can't > locate a newer version in the ports tree. > > Anybody else with similar experiences? > > Piet > > > > -- Matthew Keller Enterprise System Analyst Computing & Technology Services Information Services Division State University of NY at Potsdam Potsdam, NY USA http://mattwork.potsdam.edu/ From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Thu Apr 19 10:23:43 2001 Return-Path: Received: from kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.25]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id KAA17380 for ; Thu, 19 Apr 2001 10:23:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id KAA03434 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Thu, 19 Apr 2001 10:23:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id KAA03387 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Thu, 19 Apr 2001 10:23:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lizzard.sbs.de (lizzard.sbs.de [194.138.37.39]) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id KAA03262 for ; Thu, 19 Apr 2001 10:23:40 -0400 (EDT) X-Envelope-Sender-Is: Carsten.Melberg@fth2.siemens.de (at relayer lizzard.sbs.de) Received: from mail.fth.sbs.de (mail.fth.sbs.de [192.129.41.35]) by lizzard.sbs.de (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f3JENaf19691 for ; Thu, 19 Apr 2001 16:23:36 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from fthw9doa.fth2.siemens.de (fthw9doa.os.fth.sbs.de [157.163.133.28]) by mail.fth.sbs.de (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f3JENZw10867 for ; Thu, 19 Apr 2001 16:23:35 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by FTHW9DOA with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Thu, 19 Apr 2001 16:23:36 +0200 Message-ID: <22A6027EB0B5134587370CCC1D09F53730A70F@fthw961a.os.fth.sbs.de> From: Melberg Carsten To: netatalk-admins@umich.edu Subject: AW: Install path problem on Debian Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 16:23:27 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Hi, I run netatalk-1.4b2+asun2.1.3 on Linux 2.2.16 and I have several problems regarding permissions, when copying files form a Mac OS 8.x to a server volume. I have three server volumes that could be mounted from the Mac and it is possible to copy files from the Mac to the volumes but it is impossible to copy file between the volumes - on the Mac side. Althoug sometimes I can copy a file to the server volume directly but not if it is within a directory that is copied to the volume. The Mac always reports Error -50 which is not much meaningful. On the linux box I cannot see any errors. File permissions and such things are correct. Perhaps someone of you can help. Thanks in advance! Best regards / Gruesse Carsten Melberg From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Thu Apr 19 10:35:24 2001 Return-Path: Received: from funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.27]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id KAA17812 for ; Thu, 19 Apr 2001 10:35:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id KAA24333 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Thu, 19 Apr 2001 10:35:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id KAA24305 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Thu, 19 Apr 2001 10:35:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gecko.sbs.de (gecko.sbs.de [194.138.37.40]) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id KAA24273 for ; Thu, 19 Apr 2001 10:35:13 -0400 (EDT) X-Envelope-Sender-Is: Carsten.Melberg@fth2.siemens.de (at relayer gecko.sbs.de) Received: from mail.fth.sbs.de (mail.fth.sbs.de [192.129.41.35]) by gecko.sbs.de (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f3JEZKw10233 for ; Thu, 19 Apr 2001 16:35:20 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from fthw9doa.fth2.siemens.de (fthw9doa.os.fth.sbs.de [157.163.133.28]) by mail.fth.sbs.de (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f3JEZIw15162 for ; Thu, 19 Apr 2001 16:35:19 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by FTHW9DOA with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Thu, 19 Apr 2001 16:35:19 +0200 Message-ID: <22A6027EB0B5134587370CCC1D09F53730A710@fthw961a.os.fth.sbs.de> From: Melberg Carsten To: "'netatalk-admins@umich.edu'" Subject: access problems Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 16:35:10 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Hi, I run netatalk-1.4b2+asun2.1.3 on Linux 2.2.16 and I have several problems regarding server volume access, when copying files form a Mac OS 8.x to a server volume. I have three server volumes that could be mounted from the Mac and it is possible to copy files from the Mac to the volumes but it is impossible to copy file between the volumes - on the Mac side. Althoug sometimes I can copy a file to the server volume directly but not if it is within a directory that is copied to the volume. The Mac always reports Error -50 which is not much meaningful. On the linux box I cannot see any errors. File permissions and such things are correct. Perhaps someone of you can help. Thanks in advance! Best regards / Gruesse Carsten Melberg From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Thu Apr 19 10:38:14 2001 Return-Path: Received: from funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.27]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id KAA17899 for ; Thu, 19 Apr 2001 10:38:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id KAA28213 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Thu, 19 Apr 2001 10:38:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id KAA28193 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Thu, 19 Apr 2001 10:38:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from potsdam.edu (potsdam.edu [137.143.110.101]) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with SMTP id KAA28149 for ; Thu, 19 Apr 2001 10:38:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 23063 invoked by alias); 19 Apr 2001 14:38:17 -0000 Received: (qmail 23014 invoked by uid 0); 19 Apr 2001 14:38:12 -0000 Received: from comp10574.potsdam.edu (137.143.111.133) by potsdam.edu with SMTP; 19 Apr 2001 14:38:12 -0000 Subject: Re: Mac OS X client and netatalk woes From: Matthew Keller To: Piet Seiden Cc: netatalk-admins@umich.edu In-Reply-To: <987688999.824.14.camel@comp10574.potsdam.edu> References: <987688999.824.14.camel@comp10574.potsdam.edu> Content-Type: text/plain X-Mailer: Evolution/0.10+cvs.2001.04.11.08.00 (Preview Release) Date: 19 Apr 2001 10:38:04 -0400 Message-Id: <987691085.823.17.camel@comp10574.potsdam.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Oh yeah, all >1.4 versions are stored on the SourceForge Development site. http://netatalk.sourceforge.net/ On 19 Apr 2001 10:03:19 -0400, Matthew Keller wrote: > > The 1.4B2 tree has not been developed since OSX was anywhere near > released. I recommend trying 1.5pre6 and reporting problems with > that version. > > On 19 Apr 2001 15:37:02 +0200, Piet Seiden wrote: > > I have som problems getting hold of files on my share when accessing it > > from OS X. I run netatalk-1.4b2+asun2.1.3 on FreeBSD 4.2 and when I try to > > copy files from my share I get an error (-45) message telling me that the > > requested files could not be found (not the exact wording). > > > > I can get at files on a Mac OS 9.1 share running on another mac, so I guess > > it has something to do with netatalk. I've only tried TCP/IP, not native > > AppleTalk. Upgrading netatalk doesn't seem to be an option as I can't > > locate a newer version in the ports tree. > > > > Anybody else with similar experiences? > > > > Piet > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Matthew Keller > Enterprise System Analyst > Computing & Technology Services > Information Services Division > State University of NY at Potsdam > Potsdam, NY USA > > http://mattwork.potsdam.edu/ > > -- Matthew Keller Enterprise System Analyst Computing & Technology Services Information Services Division State University of NY at Potsdam Potsdam, NY USA http://mattwork.potsdam.edu/ From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Thu Apr 19 10:54:34 2001 Return-Path: Received: from funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.27]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id KAA18715 for ; Thu, 19 Apr 2001 10:54:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id KAA20630 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Thu, 19 Apr 2001 10:54:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id KAA20618 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Thu, 19 Apr 2001 10:54:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from comm.online-skating.de ([194.25.83.133]) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with SMTP id KAA20457 for ; Thu, 19 Apr 2001 10:54:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 11683 invoked from network); 19 Apr 2001 14:09:17 -0000 Received: from orange.online-skating.de (HELO chris) (194.25.83.130) by comm.online-skating.de with SMTP; 19 Apr 2001 14:09:17 -0000 Message-ID: <014101c0c8e0$aae15ee0$0c11a8c0@NETWORK> From: "Alexander Puff" To: References: <22A6027EB0B5134587370CCC1D09F53730A710@fthw961a.os.fth.sbs.de> Subject: Apple throws whole share into trash bin when signing noff Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 16:54:02 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Hi, I run netatalk-1.4b2+asun2.1.3-130 on a Linux 2.2.16 server within a heterogenous network of Macs and PCs. If a Mac user throws the connection icon of a mounted apple share into the desktop trash to close the connection to the server, the client moves the whole content of the share into the local trash bin of the Mac computer. If the user empties the trash - which occured twice up to now - , the whole content of the share on the server is deleted 8( This event happens on some of our Macs, but on different Mac OSs - so I would say, the netatalk daemon has a problem. Perhaps someone of you can help. Thanks very much in advance! Best regards Alexander. From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Thu Apr 19 11:14:52 2001 Return-Path: Received: from kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.25]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id LAA19614 for ; Thu, 19 Apr 2001 11:14:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id LAA22445 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Thu, 19 Apr 2001 11:14:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id LAA22431 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Thu, 19 Apr 2001 11:14:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from potsdam.edu (potsdam.edu [137.143.110.101]) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with SMTP id LAA22328 for ; Thu, 19 Apr 2001 11:14:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 5686 invoked by alias); 19 Apr 2001 15:14:55 -0000 Received: (qmail 5671 invoked by uid 0); 19 Apr 2001 15:14:54 -0000 Received: from comp10574.potsdam.edu (137.143.111.133) by potsdam.edu with SMTP; 19 Apr 2001 15:14:54 -0000 Subject: Re: Apple throws whole share into trash bin when signing noff From: Matthew Keller To: Alexander Puff Cc: netatalk-admins@umich.edu In-Reply-To: <014101c0c8e0$aae15ee0$0c11a8c0@NETWORK> References: <22A6027EB0B5134587370CCC1D09F53730A710@fthw961a.os.fth.sbs.de> <014101c0c8e0$aae15ee0$0c11a8c0@NETWORK> Content-Type: text/plain X-Mailer: Evolution/0.10+cvs.2001.04.11.08.00 (Preview Release) Date: 19 Apr 2001 11:14:45 -0400 Message-Id: <987693285.825.21.camel@comp10574.potsdam.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 After spending many many hours hammering 1.5pre6, I will unofficially recommend its use for anyone running 1.4B2. As with all software, I recommend installing it on test servers, and serve client who understand that they are being used to test software. I don't think you'll be disappointed. At the very least, I can unofficially say that I believe 1.5pre6 to be leaps and bounds more stable than 1.4B2 when properly installed/configured/compiled/etc. It is, at worst, no less stable. On 19 Apr 2001 16:54:02 +0200, Alexander Puff wrote: > Hi, > > I run netatalk-1.4b2+asun2.1.3-130 on a Linux 2.2.16 server > within a heterogenous network of Macs and PCs. > > If a Mac user throws the connection icon of a mounted apple share > into the desktop trash to close the connection to the server, the > client moves the whole content of the share into the local trash bin > of the Mac computer. > > If the user empties the trash - which occured twice up to now - , > the whole content of the share on the server is deleted 8( > > This event happens on some of our Macs, but on different Mac OSs - > so I would say, the netatalk daemon has a problem. > > Perhaps someone of you can help. > > Thanks very much in advance! > > Best regards > Alexander. > > > > -- Matthew Keller Enterprise System Analyst Computing & Technology Services Information Services Division State University of NY at Potsdam Potsdam, NY USA http://mattwork.potsdam.edu/ From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Thu Apr 19 12:20:29 2001 Return-Path: Received: from funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.27]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id MAA21584 for ; Thu, 19 Apr 2001 12:20:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id MAA16624 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Thu, 19 Apr 2001 12:20:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id MAA16609 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Thu, 19 Apr 2001 12:20:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from helios.soho ([63.160.140.7]) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id MAA16576 for ; Thu, 19 Apr 2001 12:20:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from behemoth.lunar.com (A060-0599.SNFC.splitrock.net [63.253.227.91]) by helios.soho (8.11.3/8.8.7) with ESMTP id f3JGJVH21616; Thu, 19 Apr 2001 12:19:32 -0400 Received: from localhost (localhost [[UNIX: localhost]]) by behemoth.lunar.com (8.11.0/8.11.0) id f3JGJXD08654; Thu, 19 Apr 2001 09:19:33 -0700 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" From: Mike Johnson To: Rory Campbell-Lange , Jason Quigley Subject: Re: Install path problem on Debian Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 09:19:33 -0700 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.2] Cc: netatalk-admins@umich.edu References: <20010419145056-r01010600-66ea8ce8@194.159.148.247> In-Reply-To: <20010419145056-r01010600-66ea8ce8@194.159.148.247> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <01041909193301.00862@behemoth.lunar.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit It sounds like you need to run the configure again. Just cd into the directory and run ./configure, then run "make clean" and "make uninstall". I think you still have stuff on your system that needs to be removed. Then you can run configure and make again (your configure line looks good, but you might want --with-shadow if you're using shadow passwords). - mike johnson On Thursday 19 April 2001 06:50, Rory Campbell-Lange wrote: > On 19/4/01, jasonq@mac.com (Jason Quigley) wrote: > > I just configured with --with-config-dir=/usr/local/etc/atalk and > > everything was fine. > > Jason > > Thanks a ton for your useful info. I've done what you have suggested but > it still doesn't work. > > I wonder if this is because I've got netatalk installed already. The > make programme doesn't seem to be deleting this. > > Thanks again! > Rory > > --------------------- > > .configure setup: > > ./configure --prefix=/usr --with-config-dir=/etc \ > --with-uams-path=/etc/uams > > My Makefile includes the following as a result: > > --------------------- > > SHELL = /bin/sh > > srcdir = . > top_srcdir = . > prefix = /usr > exec_prefix = ${prefix} > > bindir = ${exec_prefix}/bin > sbindir = ${exec_prefix}/sbin > libexecdir = ${exec_prefix}/libexec > datadir = ${prefix}/share > sysconfdir = ${prefix}/etc > sharedstatedir = ${prefix}/com > localstatedir = ${prefix}/var > libdir = ${exec_prefix}/lib > infodir = ${prefix}/info > mandir = ${prefix}/man > includedir = ${prefix}/include > oldincludedir = /usr/include > > DESTDIR = > > pkgdatadir = $(datadir)/netatalk > pkglibdir = $(libdir)/netatalk > pkgincludedir = $(includedir)/netatalk > > --------------------- > > make check > > reports stuff like > > make[1]: Entering directory > `/home/rory/netatalk_source/netatalk-1.5pre6/config' > sed -e s@:UAMS_PATH:@/etc@ \ > -e s@:NLS_PATH:@/etc/nls@ \ > -e s@:ETCDIR:@/etc@ \ > > and > > sed -e s@:SBINDIR:@/usr/sbin@ \ > -e s@:BINDIR:@/usr/bin@ \ > -e s@:ETCDIR:@/etc@ \ > -e s@:LIBDIR:@/usr/lib@ \ > AppleVolumes.default.5 > sed -e s@:SBINDIR:@/usr/sbin@ \ > -e s@:BINDIR:@/usr/bin@ \ > -e s@:ETCDIR:@/etc@ \ > -e s@:LIBDIR:@/usr/lib@ \ > afpd.conf.5 > sed -e s@:SBINDIR:@/usr/sbin@ \ > -e s@:BINDIR:@/usr/bin@ \ > -e s@:ETCDIR:@/etc@ \ > -e s@:LIBDIR:@/usr/lib@ \ > atalkd.conf.5 > sed -e s@:SBINDIR:@/usr/sbin@ \ > -e s@:BINDIR:@/usr/bin@ \ > -e s@:ETCDIR:@/etc@ \ > -e s@:LIBDIR:@/usr/lib@ \ > netatalk.conf.5 > sed -e s@:SBINDIR:@/usr/sbin@ \ > -e s@:BINDIR:@/usr/bin@ \ > -e s@:ETCDIR:@/etc@ \ > -e s@:LIBDIR:@/usr/lib@ \ > papd.conf.5 From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Thu Apr 19 14:24:21 2001 Return-Path: Received: from funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.27]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id OAA25110 for ; Thu, 19 Apr 2001 14:24:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id OAA19289 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Thu, 19 Apr 2001 14:24:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id OAA19272 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Thu, 19 Apr 2001 14:24:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rgrjr.dyndns.org (h0050da615e79.ne.mediaone.net [24.218.161.12]) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with SMTP id OAA19206 for ; Thu, 19 Apr 2001 14:24:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 2638 invoked by uid 500); 19 Apr 2001 18:24:17 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <15071.11601.672591.51829@h0050da615e79.ne.mediaone.net> Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 14:24:17 -0400 From: Bob Rogers To: Mike Johnson , Rory Campbell-Lange , Jason Quigley cc: netatalk-admins@umich.edu Subject: Re: Install path problem on Debian In-Reply-To: <01041909193301.00862@behemoth.lunar.com> References: <20010419145056-r01010600-66ea8ce8@194.159.148.247> <01041909193301.00862@behemoth.lunar.com> X-Mailer: VM 6.89 under Emacs 20.7.1 From: Mike Johnson Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 09:19:33 -0700 It sounds like you need to run the configure again. Just cd into the directory and run ./configure, then run "make clean" and "make uninstall". I usually do "make distclean" before redoing ./configure -- "distclean" is supposed to flush everything created by ./configure, in addition to what "clean" does, so it should be as if you had reloaded the distribution tarball. That way, you can be sure that the new ./configure isn't using any of the old state. -- Bob Rogers From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Fri Apr 20 07:09:00 2001 Return-Path: Received: from funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.27]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id HAA22935 for ; Fri, 20 Apr 2001 07:09:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id HAA17087 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Fri, 20 Apr 2001 07:08:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id HAA17082 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Fri, 20 Apr 2001 07:08:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from yellow.csi.cam.ac.uk (yellow.csi.cam.ac.uk [131.111.8.67]) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id HAA17070 for ; Fri, 20 Apr 2001 07:08:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ih207 (helo=localhost) by yellow.csi.cam.ac.uk with local-esmtp (Exim 3.22 #1) id 14qYmY-0002Oy-00 for netatalk-admins@umich.edu; Fri, 20 Apr 2001 12:08:58 +0100 Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 12:08:58 +0100 (BST) From: Ian Hitchman X-X-Sender: To: Subject: Inappropriate ioctl ? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Dear netatalk-admins, Could anyone tell me what "Inappropriate ioctl for device" and ".AppleDouble/.Parent: Operation not permitted" means on user login? Please point me to some documentation as I am a little worried. All the best. Ian. System Redhat 7.0 2.2.16-22 netatalk-1.5pre6-1rh7.i386.rpm syslod on user login... dhx login: jjc33 Apr 20 09:36:31 ark afpd[7908]: uams_dhx_pam.c :PAM: PAM Success -- Function not implemented Apr 20 09:36:31 ark PAM_pwdb[7908]: (netatalk) session opened for user jjc33 by (uid=0) Apr 20 09:36:31 ark afpd[7908]: uams_dhx_pam.c :PAM: PAM Auth OK!: (null) -- Inappropriate ioctl for device Apr 20 09:36:31 ark afpd[7908]: login jjc33 (uid 579, gid 550) Apr 20 09:36:33 ark afpd[7908]: setdirowner: chown -1/0 .AppleDouble/.Parent: Operation not permitted From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Fri Apr 20 08:14:09 2001 Return-Path: Received: from funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.27]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id IAA24354 for ; Fri, 20 Apr 2001 08:14:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id IAA14125 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Fri, 20 Apr 2001 08:14:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id IAA14116 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Fri, 20 Apr 2001 08:14:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay.mail.pipex.net (relay.mail.pipex.net [158.43.128.38]) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with SMTP id IAA14101 for ; Fri, 20 Apr 2001 08:13:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 4953 invoked from network); 20 Apr 2001 12:04:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO netpilotbr.broadley.hopkins.co.uk) (62.189.170.1) by relay.mail.pipex.net with SMTP; 20 Apr 2001 12:04:30 -0000 Received: from 194.159.148.247 (unknown [194.159.148.247]) by netpilotbr.broadley.hopkins.co.uk (Postfix) with ESMTP id C6CA31A002; Fri, 20 Apr 2001 13:01:22 +0100 (BST) Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 13:03:16 +0100 From: Rory Campbell-Lange Subject: Re: Install path problem on Debian To: Mike Johnson , Jason Quigley Cc: netatalk-admins@umich.edu X-Priority: 3 Message-ID: <20010420130328-r01010600-d68ba628@194.159.148.247> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; Charset=US-ASCII X-Mailer: Mailsmith 1.1.6 (Bluto) Sender: campbell-lange@mail.campbell-lange.net On 19/4/01, ffp_randjohnson@yahoo.com (Mike Johnson) wrote: > It sounds like you need to run the configure again. Just cd into the > directory and run ./configure, then run "make clean" and "make > uninstall". > > I think you still have stuff on your system that needs to be removed. > Then you can run configure and make again (your configure line looks > good, but you might want --with-shadow if you're using shadow > passwords). Hi Mike I really must apologise for taking up everyone's time with this. Thanks for the very clear instructions. The "make uninstall" worked great. The only thing still left are the system init scripts - I hope these are ok to leave. The install is not working now at all. Below are some of the errors reported from make when using the following config line: ./configure --prefix=/usr --with-config-dir=/etc \ --with-uams-path=/etc/uams --with-shadow Am I missing some linker config files, or am I using the wrong version of ld? Or perhaps I need to FIRST make directories such as /etc/uams? Thanks again for any help Rory ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Extracts from make output configure:1333: checking if the linker (/usr/bin/ld) is GNU ld GNU ld version 2.9.5 (with BFD 2.9.5.0.37) ltconfig:959: gcc -o conftest -g -O2 -static conftest.c 1>&5 GNU ld version 2.9.5 (with BFD 2.9.5.0.37) ... configure:2027: checking for main in -labs configure:2042: gcc -o conftest -g -O2 conftest.c -labs 1>&5 /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -labs collect2: ld returned 1 exit status configure: failed program was: #line 2035 "configure" #include "confdefs.h" int main() { main() ; return 0; } configure:2070: checking for main in -laudit configure:2085: gcc -o conftest -g -O2 conftest.c -laudit 1>&5 /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -laudit collect2: ld returned 1 exit status configure: failed program was: #line 2078 "configure" #include "confdefs.h" int main() { main() ; return 0; } configure:2113: checking for main in -lauth configure:2128: gcc -o conftest -g -O2 conftest.c -lauth 1>&5 /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lauth collect2: ld returned 1 exit status configure: failed program was: #line 2121 "configure" #include "confdefs.h" ... configure:4602: checking whether setpgrp takes no argument configure:4630: gcc -o conftest -g -O2 conftest.c -lrpcsvc -lresolv -lnsl -ldl -ldb -lcrypt 1>&5 configure: In function `main': configure:4622: too many arguments to function `setpgrp' configure: failed program was: #line 4610 "configure" #include "confdefs.h" configure:4877: checking for pam_start in -lpam configure:4896: gcc -o conftest -g -O2 conftest.c -lpam -lrpcsvc -lresolv -lnsl -ldl -ldb -lcrypt 1>&5 /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lpam collect2: ld returned 1 exit status configure: failed program was: #line 4885 "configure" #include "confdefs.h" /* Override any gcc2 internal prototype to avoid an error. */ /* We use char because int might match the return type of a gcc2 builtin and then its argument prototype would still apply. */ char pam_start(); int main() { pam_start() ; return 0; } configure:5172: checking for sys/quota.h configure:5182: gcc -E conftest.c >/dev/null 2>conftest.out From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Fri Apr 20 09:27:21 2001 Return-Path: Received: from easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.26]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id JAA27648 for ; Fri, 20 Apr 2001 09:27:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id JAA09667 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Fri, 20 Apr 2001 09:27:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id JAA09642 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Fri, 20 Apr 2001 09:27:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from potsdam.edu (potsdam.edu [137.143.110.101]) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with SMTP id JAA09605 for ; Fri, 20 Apr 2001 09:27:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 2430 invoked by alias); 20 Apr 2001 13:27:26 -0000 Received: (qmail 2416 invoked by uid 0); 20 Apr 2001 13:27:26 -0000 Received: from comp10574.potsdam.edu (137.143.111.133) by potsdam.edu with SMTP; 20 Apr 2001 13:27:26 -0000 Subject: Re: Inappropriate ioctl ? From: Matthew Keller To: Ian Hitchman Cc: netatalk-admins@umich.edu In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain X-Mailer: Evolution/0.10+cvs.2001.04.11.08.00 (Preview Release) Date: 20 Apr 2001 09:27:17 -0400 Message-Id: <987773237.1968.23.camel@comp10574.potsdam.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Which netatalk version? On 20 Apr 2001 12:08:58 +0100, Ian Hitchman wrote: > Dear netatalk-admins, > > Could anyone tell me what "Inappropriate ioctl for device" and > ".AppleDouble/.Parent: Operation not permitted" means on user login? > Please point me to some documentation as I am a little worried. > > All the best. > > Ian. > > > System Redhat 7.0 2.2.16-22 netatalk-1.5pre6-1rh7.i386.rpm > syslod on user login... > > dhx login: jjc33 > Apr 20 09:36:31 ark afpd[7908]: uams_dhx_pam.c :PAM: PAM Success -- > Function not implemented > Apr 20 09:36:31 ark PAM_pwdb[7908]: (netatalk) session opened for user > jjc33 by (uid=0) > Apr 20 09:36:31 ark afpd[7908]: uams_dhx_pam.c :PAM: PAM Auth OK!: (null) > -- Inappropriate ioctl for device > Apr 20 09:36:31 ark afpd[7908]: login jjc33 (uid 579, gid 550) > Apr 20 09:36:33 ark afpd[7908]: setdirowner: chown -1/0 > .AppleDouble/.Parent: Operation not permitted > > > > -- Matthew Keller Enterprise System Analyst Computing & Technology Services Information Services Division State University of NY at Potsdam Potsdam, NY USA http://mattwork.potsdam.edu/ From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Fri Apr 20 10:55:01 2001 Return-Path: Received: from funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.27]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id KAA00531 for ; Fri, 20 Apr 2001 10:55:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id KAA18065 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Fri, 20 Apr 2001 10:54:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id KAA17907 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Fri, 20 Apr 2001 10:54:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from potsdam.edu (potsdam.edu [137.143.110.101]) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with SMTP id KAA17871 for ; Fri, 20 Apr 2001 10:54:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 3392 invoked by alias); 20 Apr 2001 14:54:56 -0000 Received: (qmail 3327 invoked by uid 0); 20 Apr 2001 14:54:49 -0000 Received: from comp10574.potsdam.edu (137.143.111.133) by potsdam.edu with SMTP; 20 Apr 2001 14:54:49 -0000 Subject: Re: Inappropriate ioctl ? From: Matthew Keller To: Ian Hitchman Cc: netatalk-admins@umich.edu In-Reply-To: <987773237.1968.23.camel@comp10574.potsdam.edu> References: <987773237.1968.23.camel@comp10574.potsdam.edu> Content-Type: text/plain X-Mailer: Evolution/0.10+cvs.2001.04.11.08.00 (Preview Release) Date: 20 Apr 2001 10:54:42 -0400 Message-Id: <987778482.10023.3.camel@comp10574.potsdam.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Ok, ok, so I missed the version number below. My bad. It's becoming reflex to ask, as its seldom provided and the first thing needed to know. :) This was a problem with pre5 (and some before), but was fixed with pre6. Did you install pre6 over a previous "pre"? If so, you're probably running a mix of pre6 and preX as the files were put in differnt places for pre6. On 20 Apr 2001 09:27:17 -0400, Matthew Keller wrote: > > Which netatalk version? > > On 20 Apr 2001 12:08:58 +0100, Ian Hitchman wrote: > > Dear netatalk-admins, > > > > Could anyone tell me what "Inappropriate ioctl for device" and > > ".AppleDouble/.Parent: Operation not permitted" means on user login? > > Please point me to some documentation as I am a little worried. > > > > All the best. > > > > Ian. > > > > > > System Redhat 7.0 2.2.16-22 netatalk-1.5pre6-1rh7.i386.rpm > > syslod on user login... > > > > dhx login: jjc33 > > Apr 20 09:36:31 ark afpd[7908]: uams_dhx_pam.c :PAM: PAM Success -- > > Function not implemented > > Apr 20 09:36:31 ark PAM_pwdb[7908]: (netatalk) session opened for user > > jjc33 by (uid=0) > > Apr 20 09:36:31 ark afpd[7908]: uams_dhx_pam.c :PAM: PAM Auth OK!: (null) > > -- Inappropriate ioctl for device > > Apr 20 09:36:31 ark afpd[7908]: login jjc33 (uid 579, gid 550) > > Apr 20 09:36:33 ark afpd[7908]: setdirowner: chown -1/0 > > .AppleDouble/.Parent: Operation not permitted > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Matthew Keller > Enterprise System Analyst > Computing & Technology Services > Information Services Division > State University of NY at Potsdam > Potsdam, NY USA > > http://mattwork.potsdam.edu/ > > -- Matthew Keller Enterprise System Analyst Computing & Technology Services Information Services Division State University of NY at Potsdam Potsdam, NY USA http://mattwork.potsdam.edu/ From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Fri Apr 20 12:14:46 2001 Return-Path: Received: from easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.26]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id MAA02863 for ; Fri, 20 Apr 2001 12:14:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id MAA15334 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Fri, 20 Apr 2001 12:14:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id MAA15314 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Fri, 20 Apr 2001 12:14:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from yellow.csi.cam.ac.uk (yellow.csi.cam.ac.uk [131.111.8.67]) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id MAA15275 for ; Fri, 20 Apr 2001 12:14:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ih207 (helo=localhost) by yellow.csi.cam.ac.uk with local-esmtp (Exim 3.22 #1) id 14qdYP-00044C-00; Fri, 20 Apr 2001 17:14:41 +0100 Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 17:14:41 +0100 (BST) From: Ian Hitchman X-X-Sender: To: Matthew Keller cc: Subject: Re: Inappropriate ioctl ? In-Reply-To: <987778482.10023.3.camel@comp10574.potsdam.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I had netatalk-1.4b2+asun2.1.4-0.i386.rpm running previously. I removed this with rpm -e netatalk-1.4b2+asun2.1.4-0 --allmatches and checked /etc/services for the removal of ddp entries as well removing /etc/atalk rpm.config? or file of similar name. After that I simply rpm -i --test netatalk-1.5pre6-1rh7.i386.rpm with no errors and installed it. I suspect I have not read some documentation but as to what I do not know. Ian. On 20 Apr 2001, Matthew Keller wrote: > > Ok, ok, so I missed the version number below. My bad. It's becoming > reflex to ask, as its seldom provided and the first thing needed to > know. :) > > This was a problem with pre5 (and some before), but was fixed with > pre6. Did you install pre6 over a previous "pre"? If so, you're > probably running a mix of pre6 and preX as the files were put in > differnt places for pre6. > > On 20 Apr 2001 09:27:17 -0400, Matthew Keller wrote: > > > > Which netatalk version? > > > > On 20 Apr 2001 12:08:58 +0100, Ian Hitchman wrote: > > > Dear netatalk-admins, > > > > > > Could anyone tell me what "Inappropriate ioctl for device" and > > > ".AppleDouble/.Parent: Operation not permitted" means on user login? > > > Please point me to some documentation as I am a little worried. > > > > > > All the best. > > > > > > Ian. > > > > > > > > > System Redhat 7.0 2.2.16-22 netatalk-1.5pre6-1rh7.i386.rpm > > > syslod on user login... > > > > > > dhx login: jjc33 > > > Apr 20 09:36:31 ark afpd[7908]: uams_dhx_pam.c :PAM: PAM Success -- > > > Function not implemented > > > Apr 20 09:36:31 ark PAM_pwdb[7908]: (netatalk) session opened for user > > > jjc33 by (uid=0) > > > Apr 20 09:36:31 ark afpd[7908]: uams_dhx_pam.c :PAM: PAM Auth OK!: (null) > > > -- Inappropriate ioctl for device > > > Apr 20 09:36:31 ark afpd[7908]: login jjc33 (uid 579, gid 550) > > > Apr 20 09:36:33 ark afpd[7908]: setdirowner: chown -1/0 > > > .AppleDouble/.Parent: Operation not permitted > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Matthew Keller > > Enterprise System Analyst > > Computing & Technology Services > > Information Services Division > > State University of NY at Potsdam > > Potsdam, NY USA > > > > http://mattwork.potsdam.edu/ > > > > > > -- > > Matthew Keller > Enterprise System Analyst > Computing & Technology Services > Information Services Division > State University of NY at Potsdam > Potsdam, NY USA > > http://mattwork.potsdam.edu/ > > From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Fri Apr 20 12:39:39 2001 Return-Path: Received: from funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.27]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id MAA04038 for ; Fri, 20 Apr 2001 12:39:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id MAA09650 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Fri, 20 Apr 2001 12:39:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id MAA09630 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Fri, 20 Apr 2001 12:39:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from potsdam.edu (potsdam.edu [137.143.110.101]) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with SMTP id MAA09565 for ; Fri, 20 Apr 2001 12:39:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 9378 invoked by alias); 20 Apr 2001 16:39:40 -0000 Received: (qmail 9366 invoked by uid 0); 20 Apr 2001 16:39:39 -0000 Received: from comp10574.potsdam.edu (137.143.111.133) by potsdam.edu with SMTP; 20 Apr 2001 16:39:39 -0000 Subject: Re: Inappropriate ioctl ? From: Matthew Keller To: Ian Hitchman Cc: netatalk-admins@umich.edu In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain X-Mailer: Evolution/0.10+cvs.2001.04.11.08.00 (Preview Release) Date: 20 Apr 2001 12:39:32 -0400 Message-Id: <987784772.10457.3.camel@comp10574.potsdam.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Cool, thanks. Anyone else having this problem with 1.5pre6? I have numerous installs of it now (always compiled from source) and haven't seen this one rear its ugly head since pre5. The problem is that the premissions in .AppleDouble are set wrong. This may be a legacy problem and setting them manually once will fix them (for that folder). Subsequent operations should be ok. On 20 Apr 2001 17:14:41 +0100, Ian Hitchman wrote: > I had netatalk-1.4b2+asun2.1.4-0.i386.rpm running previously. I removed > this with rpm -e netatalk-1.4b2+asun2.1.4-0 --allmatches > and checked /etc/services for the removal of ddp entries as well removing > /etc/atalk rpm.config? or file of similar name. > After that I simply rpm -i --test netatalk-1.5pre6-1rh7.i386.rpm with > no errors and installed it. I suspect I have not read some documentation > but as to what I do not know. -- Matthew Keller Enterprise System Analyst Computing & Technology Services Information Services Division State University of NY at Potsdam Potsdam, NY USA http://mattwork.potsdam.edu/ From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Fri Apr 20 14:19:39 2001 Return-Path: Received: from kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.25]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id OAA07093 for ; Fri, 20 Apr 2001 14:19:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id OAA05319 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Fri, 20 Apr 2001 14:19:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id OAA05303 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Fri, 20 Apr 2001 14:19:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail4.wayne.edu ([141.217.1.82]) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id OAA05263 for ; Fri, 20 Apr 2001 14:19:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from khan (khan.lib.wayne.edu [141.217.84.241]) by mail4.wayne.edu (Pro-8.9.3/Pro-8.9.3) with SMTP id OAA27894 for ; Fri, 20 Apr 2001 14:19:34 -0400 (EDT) From: "Ubaidul Khan" To: Subject: netatalk gives wrong time Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 14:21:24 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Hi I am running netatalk-1.4b2, on a Linux Mandrake 7.1 and 7.2. One of our users connect both of these machines on a regular basis. The user has been complaining that the servers time is wrong. Actually the server time is correct, when the user connected through ftp/telnet. This led me to believe that there is a configuration error that I am making for Netatalk. But I went through the configuration files, and there weren't any time zone settings for netatalk. Please let me know if there is a solution to this problem. <<<<<<<<<<<<<<----->>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ubaidul Khan Senior Systems Administrator Library Systems and Tech. Services Wayne State University 313-577-4008 From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Fri Apr 20 14:40:53 2001 Return-Path: Received: from kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.25]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id OAA07709 for ; Fri, 20 Apr 2001 14:40:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id OAA13794 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Fri, 20 Apr 2001 14:40:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id OAA13769 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Fri, 20 Apr 2001 14:40:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from VL-MS-MR003.sc1.videotron.ca (relais.videotron.ca [24.201.245.36]) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id OAA13737 for ; Fri, 20 Apr 2001 14:40:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from amd.analysco.com ([24.202.17.124]) by VL-MS-MR003.sc1.videotron.ca (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with ESMTP id GC3T6U03.32U for ; Fri, 20 Apr 2001 14:40:06 -0400 Message-Id: <5.0.2.1.2.20010420143426.02402a68@kenobi.iweb-hosting.com> X-Sender: postmaster%analysco.com@kenobi.iweb-hosting.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0.2 Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 14:34:32 -0400 To: netatalk-admins@umich.edu From: Charles Ouimet Subject: Expected transfer rate for Appletalk? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Hi all! Current config: PowerBook G3 with OS 9.0.4 RedHat 6.1 with kernel 2.4.3 and netatalk-1.4b2+asun2.1.3 Both machines have 100 Mbps interfaces. I don't get fast transfers between those 2 machines when I copy stuff over with AppleTalk... What sould I expect as transfer rate between those machine? I know that AppleTalk couldn't be as fast as FTP (same thing for NetBios in Windows' world), but it is *really* slow.... (10 minutes for a 130 Mo file...) There are 3 machines on the same 10/100 switch => no traffic at all. I have the same kind of problem with FTP: When I ftp to my Linux machine using Win2K, I can get 2000-4000Kb/sec... Using Fetch 4.0 from my G3, I just get 50-200 Kb/sec transfers... What can I "tweak" on Mac to go faster? Should I recompile netatalk with special switches? Thanx -C ----------------------------------------- Charles Ouimet charles@analysco.com (514) 577-5614 http://www.analysco.com ----------------------------------------- From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Fri Apr 20 14:42:06 2001 Return-Path: Received: from easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.26]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id OAA07773 for ; Fri, 20 Apr 2001 14:42:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id OAA09531 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Fri, 20 Apr 2001 14:42:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id OAA09508 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Fri, 20 Apr 2001 14:42:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from potsdam.edu (potsdam.edu [137.143.110.101]) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with SMTP id OAA09445 for ; Fri, 20 Apr 2001 14:42:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 20783 invoked by alias); 20 Apr 2001 18:42:11 -0000 Received: (qmail 20772 invoked by uid 0); 20 Apr 2001 18:42:10 -0000 Received: from comp10574.potsdam.edu (137.143.111.133) by potsdam.edu with SMTP; 20 Apr 2001 18:42:10 -0000 Subject: Re: netatalk gives wrong time From: Matthew Keller To: Ubaidul Khan Cc: netatalk-admins@umich.edu In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain X-Mailer: Evolution/0.10+cvs.2001.04.11.08.00 (Preview Release) Date: 20 Apr 2001 14:42:00 -0400 Message-Id: <987792120.1633.2.camel@comp10574.potsdam.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 "servers time is wrong" meaning that the timestamps displayed on files is wrong? On 20 Apr 2001 14:21:24 -0400, Ubaidul Khan wrote: > I am running netatalk-1.4b2, on a Linux Mandrake 7.1 and 7.2. One of our > users connect both of these machines on a regular basis. The user has been > complaining that the servers time is wrong. > > Actually the server time is correct, when the user connected through > ftp/telnet. This led me to believe that there is a configuration error that > I am making for Netatalk. But I went through the configuration files, and > there weren't any time zone settings for netatalk. > > Please let me know if there is a solution to this problem. -- Matthew Keller Enterprise System Analyst Computing & Technology Services Information Services Division State University of NY at Potsdam Potsdam, NY USA http://mattwork.potsdam.edu/ From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Sat Apr 21 00:46:41 2001 Return-Path: Received: from easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.26]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id AAA23250 for ; Sat, 21 Apr 2001 00:46:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id AAA09083 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Sat, 21 Apr 2001 00:46:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id AAA09062 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Sat, 21 Apr 2001 00:46:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from helios.soho ([63.160.140.7]) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id AAA09022 for ; Sat, 21 Apr 2001 00:46:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from behemoth.lunar.com (A060-0353.SNFC.splitrock.net [63.253.226.99]) by helios.soho (8.11.3/8.8.7) with ESMTP id f3L4jv109635; Sat, 21 Apr 2001 00:45:57 -0400 Received: from localhost (localhost [[UNIX: localhost]]) by behemoth.lunar.com (8.11.0/8.11.0) id f3L4jtP07560; Fri, 20 Apr 2001 21:45:55 -0700 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" From: Mike Johnson To: Rory Campbell-Lange Subject: Re: Install path problem on Debian Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 21:45:54 -0700 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.2] Cc: netatalk-admins@umich.edu References: <20010420130328-r01010600-d68ba628@194.159.148.247> In-Reply-To: <20010420130328-r01010600-d68ba628@194.159.148.247> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <01042021455400.00664@behemoth.lunar.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit hmmm.... That's strange. It looks like you might not be running with pam. It said something like "cannot find pam". I don't use debian with netatalk.... so I don't know. Try this: [root@behemoth netatalk]# ldconfig -p | grep pam libpam_misc.so.0 (libc6) => /lib/libpam_misc.so.0 libpam_misc.so (libc6) => /lib/libpam_misc.so libpam.so.0 (libc6) => /lib/libpam.so.0 libpam.so (libc6) => /lib/libpam.so [root@behemoth netatalk]# If the pam libraries aren't listed, you might either have to configure your system to use pam (assuming you want to use it), or find out where they are installed and check /etc/ld.so.conf. hope that helps. - Mike On Friday 20 April 2001 05:03, Rory Campbell-Lange wrote: > On 19/4/01, ffp_randjohnson@yahoo.com (Mike Johnson) wrote: > > It sounds like you need to run the configure again. Just cd into the > > directory and run ./configure, then run "make clean" and "make > > uninstall". > > > > I think you still have stuff on your system that needs to be removed. > > Then you can run configure and make again (your configure line looks > > good, but you might want --with-shadow if you're using shadow > > passwords). > > Hi Mike > > I really must apologise for taking up everyone's time with this. > > Thanks for the very clear instructions. The "make uninstall" worked > great. The only thing still left are the system init scripts - I hope > these are ok to leave. > > The install is not working now at all. > Below are some of the errors reported from make when using the following > config line: > > ./c/configure --prefix=/usr --with-config-dir=/etc \ > --with-uams-path=/etc/uams --with-shadow >onfigure --prefix=/usr --with-config-dir=/etc \ > --with-uams-path=/etc/uams --with-shadow > > Am I missing some linker config files, or am I using the wrong version > of ld? Or perhaps I need to FIRST make directories such as /etc/uams? > > Thanks again for any help > Rory > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Extracts from make output > > configure:1333: checking if the linker (/usr/bin/ld) is GNU ld > GNU ld version 2.9.5 (with BFD 2.9.5.0.37) > > ltconfig:959: gcc -o conftest -g -O2 -static conftest.c 1>&5 > GNU ld version 2.9.5 (with BFD 2.9.5.0.37) > > ... > > configure:2027: checking for main in -labs > configure:2042: gcc -o conftest -g -O2 conftest.c -labs 1>&5 > /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -labs > collect2: ld returned 1 exit status > configure: failed program was: > #line 2035 "configure" > #include "confdefs.h" > > int main() { > main() > ; return 0; } > configure:2070: checking for main in -laudit > configure:2085: gcc -o conftest -g -O2 conftest.c -laudit 1>&5 > /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -laudit > collect2: ld returned 1 exit status > configure: failed program was: > #line 2078 "configure" > #include "confdefs.h" > > int main() { > main() > ; return 0; } > configure:2113: checking for main in -lauth > configure:2128: gcc -o conftest -g -O2 conftest.c -lauth 1>&5 > /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lauth > collect2: ld returned 1 exit status > configure: failed program was: > #line 2121 "configure" > #include "confdefs.h" > > ... > > configure:4602: checking whether setpgrp takes no argument > configure:4630: gcc -o conftest -g -O2 conftest.c -lrpcsvc -lresolv > -lnsl -ldl -ldb -lcrypt 1>&5 > configure: In function `main': > configure:4622: too many arguments to function `setpgrp' > configure: failed program was: > #line 4610 "configure" > #include "confdefs.h" > > configure:4877: checking for pam_start in -lpam > configure:4896: gcc -o conftest -g -O2 conftest.c -lpam -lrpcsvc > -lresolv -lnsl -ldl -ldb -lcrypt 1>&5 > /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lpam > collect2: ld returned 1 exit status > configure: failed program was: > #line 4885 "configure" > #include "confdefs.h" > /* Override any gcc2 internal prototype to avoid an error. */ > /* We use char because int might match the return type of a gcc2 > builtin and then its argument prototype would still apply. */ > char pam_start(); > > int main() { > pam_start() > ; return 0; } > configure:5172: checking for sys/quota.h > configure:5182: gcc -E conftest.c >/dev/null 2>conftest.out From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Sat Apr 21 13:37:32 2001 Return-Path: Received: from kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.25]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id NAA09230 for ; Sat, 21 Apr 2001 13:37:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id NAA18880 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Sat, 21 Apr 2001 13:37:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id NAA18851 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Sat, 21 Apr 2001 13:37:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.euc.de (mail.euc.de [195.63.193.18]) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id NAA18772 for ; Sat, 21 Apr 2001 13:37:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from euc.de (euc-punktum.euc.de [195.63.193.116]) by mail.euc.de (8.9.3/8.9.3/SuSE Linux 8.9.3-0.1) with ESMTP id TAA04672 for ; Sat, 21 Apr 2001 19:32:38 +0200 Message-ID: <3AE1C437.4233BA36@euc.de> Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2001 19:32:39 +0200 From: Mac Conin Organization: EUC Online Service GmbH X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "netatalk-admins@umich.edu" Subject: Shared volume and only one trash Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi, I have 1.5pre6 installed using kernel 2.2.16. I've created a volumes to be used by different users Only one trash is at that time available. If user One drops something everybody else is only be able to delete filese immediately. After user One empties the trash any user can drop files in to the trash. After that the behaviour is like that of user One. I've placed in the homedirectory of the users a symbolic link pointing to that shared volume. That works because now the users home directory trash is used. Any idea? -- ----------------------------------------------------------- Mac Conin EUC Online Service GmbH mconin@euc.de D 50676 Koeln http://www.euc.de From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Sat Apr 21 21:58:47 2001 Return-Path: Received: from kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.25]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id VAA20429 for ; Sat, 21 Apr 2001 21:58:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id VAA26154 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Sat, 21 Apr 2001 21:58:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id VAA26124 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Sat, 21 Apr 2001 21:58:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.id-inc.com ([208.186.174.81]) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id VAA26058 for ; Sat, 21 Apr 2001 21:58:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [192.168.94.68] (192.168.94.68) by mail.id-inc.com with ESMTP (Eudora Internet Mail Server 3.0) for ; Sat, 21 Apr 2001 18:58:56 -0700 User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2001 18:58:51 -0700 Subject: # test-ignore this message From: charlie wood To: Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Sun Apr 22 09:08:08 2001 Return-Path: Received: from kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.25]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id JAA05920 for ; Sun, 22 Apr 2001 09:08:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id JAA22500 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Sun, 22 Apr 2001 09:08:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id JAA22473 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Sun, 22 Apr 2001 09:08:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.euc.de (mail.euc.de [195.63.193.18]) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id JAA22388 for ; Sun, 22 Apr 2001 09:08:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from euc.de (euc-punktum.euc.de [195.63.193.116]) by mail.euc.de (8.9.3/8.9.3/SuSE Linux 8.9.3-0.1) with ESMTP id PAA07441 for ; Sun, 22 Apr 2001 15:03:11 +0200 Message-ID: <3AE2D68F.23938D97@euc.de> Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2001 15:03:11 +0200 From: Mac Conin Organization: EUC Online Service GmbH X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "netatalk-admins@umich.edu" Subject: message-log entries Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hmm, (Hi Mathew : 1.5pre6 installed using kernel 2.2.16 *bg*) i've found the following entries in my messages log Apr 22 14:03:15 linux afpd[10601]: logout mconin Apr 22 14:03:15 linux afpd[10601]: 417576.93KB read, 91574.69KB written Due to a lot of copying to the server I expected ~400 MB written to the server and ~100MB read. Could it be that the two values are mixed up or do they reflect something else than the users file transer? nice weekend ----------------------------------------------------------- Mac Conin EUC Online Service GmbH mconin@euc.de D 50676 Koeln http://www.euc.de tel : +49-221-923 27 33 fax : +49-221-239 651 ----------------------------------------------------------- From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Sun Apr 22 17:02:17 2001 Return-Path: Received: from kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.25]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id RAA17728 for ; Sun, 22 Apr 2001 17:02:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id RAA28482 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Sun, 22 Apr 2001 17:02:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id RAA28453 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Sun, 22 Apr 2001 17:02:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from clever.visp-europe.psi.com (clever.visp-europe.psi.com [212.222.105.4]) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id RAA28392 for ; Sun, 22 Apr 2001 17:02:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ns10-n67-037.de.inter.net ([213.73.67.37] helo=athlet.deltaman.de) by clever.visp-europe.psi.com with esmtp (Exim 3.22 #1) id 14rQzm-0003Fg-00 for netatalk-admins@umich.edu; Sun, 22 Apr 2001 23:02:14 +0200 Received: from athlet (root@athlet.deltaman.de [192.168.1.1]) by athlet.deltaman.de (8.9.3/8.9.3/SuSE Linux 8.9.3-0.1) with SMTP id XAA04041 for ; Sun, 22 Apr 2001 23:01:38 +0200 From: Carsten Neumann Reply-To: deltor@snafu.de To: netatalk-admins@umich.edu Subject: Re: message-log entries Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2001 22:53:30 +0200 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.0.28] Content-Type: text/plain References: <3AE2D68F.23938D97@euc.de> In-Reply-To: <3AE2D68F.23938D97@euc.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <01042223013704.22355@athlet> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu id RAA17728 On Sun, 22 Apr 2001, Mac Conin wrote: > Hmm, > > (Hi Mathew : 1.5pre6 installed using kernel 2.2.16 *bg*) > > i've found the following entries in my messages log > Apr 22 14:03:15 linux afpd[10601]: logout mconin > Apr 22 14:03:15 linux afpd[10601]: 417576.93KB read, 91574.69KB written > > Due to a lot of copying to the server I expected > ~400 MB written to the server and ~100MB read. > > Could it be that the two values are mixed up or > do they reflect something else than the users file transer? May be that's a philosophical question!? :-) But if I WRITE 400 MB as a client to the server I expect server to READ these 400 MB. Otherwise, if I READ 100 MB from this server it must WRITE these 100 MB to me. Kind regards Carsten From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Sun Apr 22 17:35:20 2001 Return-Path: Received: from kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.25]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id RAA18775 for ; Sun, 22 Apr 2001 17:35:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id RAA18197 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Sun, 22 Apr 2001 17:35:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id RAA18175 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Sun, 22 Apr 2001 17:35:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.intekom.com (mid-mail-02.intekom.com [196.25.69.45]) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with SMTP id RAA18115 for ; Sun, 22 Apr 2001 17:35:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 25190 invoked from network); 22 Apr 2001 21:35:13 -0000 Received: from kmp53-01-p206.gt.saix.net (HELO navajo.local) ([155.239.76.206]) (envelope-sender ) by intekom.com (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 22 Apr 2001 21:35:13 -0000 X-vSMTP: intekom.com Received: from apache (apache [192.168.1.2]) by navajo.local (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id XAA08058 for ; Sun, 22 Apr 2001 23:24:35 +0200 Message-ID: <004401c0cb74$2c25e620$0201a8c0@local> From: "Anton Coetzee" To: Subject: Weird problems on Mac side. Norton related? Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2001 23:35:34 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Hi Here's a problem that's been bugging me for a few weeks now: Network consisting of 6 G4 Macs, running 9.0.4 and 100BaseT network. Server is a Linux box running a custom built (based on Slackware) 2.2.16 distro. 2 disk partitions are shared, one is 10 GB, one is 35 GB. They are also shared via SAMBA to a single Windows box. There is no simultaneous use of files. (no file locking problems). I'm using the latest Asun netatalk (as of April 1 or so), built from source. The Macs are scanning workstations, and every day or two large files (> 100 files at 40 or so MB apiece) are moved to the server. Everything works fine for a few days, then the Macs go crazy (randomly) in various ways. One mode of failure: The Macs start creating recursively nested folders of folders on the desktop. Other times they will not copy certain files to the server -- you select a batch of files, and drag to a folder on the server, and it refuses to copy *certain* files. Do the same batch, and it will refuse to copy *different* files. The most prevalent issue, though, seems to be the recursively nested folder thing. I have just found out that the Macs have Norton something-or-other installed. Could this be a problem ?? One other minor issue is that the list view seems incredibly slow. I'm getting superb throughput in file transfers, and viewing a folder in icon view is almost instant, but when I go to list view, it is *incredibly* slow, and you can't smoothly scroll through the list. This may be unavoidable, because we have some folders with ~ 1000 files. Thanx for the help Anton Coetzee (frustrated!!!) From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Sun Apr 22 20:52:27 2001 Return-Path: Received: from kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.25]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id UAA23500 for ; Sun, 22 Apr 2001 20:52:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id UAA12542 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Sun, 22 Apr 2001 20:52:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id UAA12520 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Sun, 22 Apr 2001 20:52:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mx.stanford-jc.or.jp (sirius.stanford-jc.or.jp [210.137.138.7] (may be forged)) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id UAA12443 for ; Sun, 22 Apr 2001 20:52:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pdc ([210.137.138.193]) by mx.stanford-jc.or.jp (8.11.0/3.7W) with SMTP id f3N0qNZ01829 for ; Mon, 23 Apr 2001 09:52:23 +0900 Message-ID: <01f301c0cb8f$a872c6b0$c18a89d2@wad.stanfordjc.or.jp> From: "Takashi Nakamura" To: Subject: unsubscribe Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 09:52:23 +0900 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-2022-jp" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Mon Apr 23 04:44:05 2001 Return-Path: Received: from easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.26]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id EAA04687 for ; Mon, 23 Apr 2001 04:44:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id EAA07046 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Mon, 23 Apr 2001 04:44:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id EAA07025 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Mon, 23 Apr 2001 04:44:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from green.csi.cam.ac.uk (green.csi.cam.ac.uk [131.111.8.57]) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id EAA06960 for ; Mon, 23 Apr 2001 04:44:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ih207 (helo=localhost) by green.csi.cam.ac.uk with local-esmtp (Exim 3.22 #1) id 14rbsy-0003Hu-00; Mon, 23 Apr 2001 09:39:56 +0100 Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 09:39:56 +0100 (BST) From: Ian Hitchman X-X-Sender: To: Matthew Keller cc: Subject: Re: Inappropriate ioctl ? In-Reply-To: <987784772.10457.3.camel@comp10574.potsdam.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Thanks for the response but I am a little confused as to the .AppleDouble permission settings and how I should change them. All permissions appear to be fine as I 'chmod -R 755 home1' the top directory containing all my users and 'chgrp -R staff home1' similarly. All users own there own directories chown -R auser auser. Ian. On 20 Apr 2001, Matthew Keller wrote: > > Cool, thanks. Anyone else having this problem with 1.5pre6? I have > numerous installs of it now (always compiled from source) and > haven't seen this one rear its ugly head since pre5. > > The problem is that the premissions in .AppleDouble are set wrong. > This may be a legacy problem and setting them manually once will fix > them (for that folder). Subsequent operations should be ok. > > On 20 Apr 2001 17:14:41 +0100, Ian Hitchman wrote: > > I had netatalk-1.4b2+asun2.1.4-0.i386.rpm running previously. I removed > > this with rpm -e netatalk-1.4b2+asun2.1.4-0 --allmatches > > and checked /etc/services for the removal of ddp entries as well removing > > /etc/atalk rpm.config? or file of similar name. > > After that I simply rpm -i --test netatalk-1.5pre6-1rh7.i386.rpm with > > no errors and installed it. I suspect I have not read some documentation > > but as to what I do not know. > > > -- > > Matthew Keller > Enterprise System Analyst > Computing & Technology Services > Information Services Division > State University of NY at Potsdam > Potsdam, NY USA > > http://mattwork.potsdam.edu/ > > From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Mon Apr 23 09:33:36 2001 Return-Path: Received: from easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.26]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id JAA12734 for ; Mon, 23 Apr 2001 09:33:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id JAA02224 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Mon, 23 Apr 2001 09:33:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id JAA02203 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Mon, 23 Apr 2001 09:33:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from potsdam.edu (potsdam.edu [137.143.110.101]) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with SMTP id JAA02154 for ; Mon, 23 Apr 2001 09:33:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 1741 invoked by alias); 23 Apr 2001 13:33:38 -0000 Received: (qmail 1282 invoked by uid 0); 23 Apr 2001 13:32:48 -0000 Received: from comp10574.potsdam.edu (137.143.111.133) by potsdam.edu with SMTP; 23 Apr 2001 13:32:48 -0000 Subject: Re: Inappropriate ioctl ? From: Matthew Keller To: Ian Hitchman Cc: netatalk-admins@umich.edu In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain X-Mailer: Evolution/0.10+cvs.2001.04.11.08.00 (Preview Release) Date: 23 Apr 2001 09:32:41 -0400 Message-Id: <988032761.4235.8.camel@comp10574.potsdam.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Generally, when this error shows in the logs, the .AppleDouble (or a file within it) is set to all nothing. Thus, even the owner can't change its permissions. If you're positive that the perms are right (and positive you don't have any legacy Netatalk binaries running around), and still getting this error- That's pretty odd, and I'm at a loss for diagnostics. Anyone else got ideas? On 23 Apr 2001 09:39:56 +0100, Ian Hitchman wrote: > Thanks for the response but I am a little confused as to the .AppleDouble > permission settings and how I should change them. All permissions appear > to be fine as I 'chmod -R 755 home1' the top directory containing all my > users and 'chgrp -R staff home1' similarly. All users own there own > directories chown -R auser auser. > > Ian. > > > On 20 Apr 2001, Matthew Keller wrote: > > > > > Cool, thanks. Anyone else having this problem with 1.5pre6? I have > > numerous installs of it now (always compiled from source) and > > haven't seen this one rear its ugly head since pre5. > > > > The problem is that the premissions in .AppleDouble are set wrong. > > This may be a legacy problem and setting them manually once will fix > > them (for that folder). Subsequent operations should be ok. > > > > On 20 Apr 2001 17:14:41 +0100, Ian Hitchman wrote: > > > I had netatalk-1.4b2+asun2.1.4-0.i386.rpm running previously. I removed > > > this with rpm -e netatalk-1.4b2+asun2.1.4-0 --allmatches > > > and checked /etc/services for the removal of ddp entries as well removing > > > /etc/atalk rpm.config? or file of similar name. > > > After that I simply rpm -i --test netatalk-1.5pre6-1rh7.i386.rpm with > > > no errors and installed it. I suspect I have not read some documentation > > > but as to what I do not know. > > > > > > -- > > > > Matthew Keller > > Enterprise System Analyst > > Computing & Technology Services > > Information Services Division > > State University of NY at Potsdam > > Potsdam, NY USA > > > > http://mattwork.potsdam.edu/ > > > > > > -- Matthew Keller Enterprise System Analyst Computing & Technology Services Information Services Division State University of NY at Potsdam Potsdam, NY USA http://mattwork.potsdam.edu/ From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Mon Apr 23 10:28:39 2001 Return-Path: Received: from easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.26]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id KAA14090 for ; Mon, 23 Apr 2001 10:28:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id KAA13412 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Mon, 23 Apr 2001 10:28:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id KAA13387 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Mon, 23 Apr 2001 10:28:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.euc.de (mail.euc.de [195.63.193.18]) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id KAA13326 for ; Mon, 23 Apr 2001 10:28:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from euc.de (euc-punktum.euc.de [195.63.193.116]) by mail.euc.de (8.9.3/8.9.3/SuSE Linux 8.9.3-0.1) with ESMTP id QAA16756; Mon, 23 Apr 2001 16:23:32 +0200 Message-ID: <3AE43AE6.F4D9100E@euc.de> Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 16:23:33 +0200 From: Mac Conin Organization: EUC Online Service GmbH X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: deltor@snafu.de CC: netatalk-admins@umich.edu Subject: Re: message-log entries References: <3AE2D68F.23938D97@euc.de> <01042223013704.22355@athlet> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu id KAA14090 ok, you win ... *bg* Carsten Neumann wrote: > > On Sun, 22 Apr 2001, Mac Conin wrote: > > Hmm, > > > > (Hi Mathew : 1.5pre6 installed using kernel 2.2.16 *bg*) > > > > i've found the following entries in my messages log > > Apr 22 14:03:15 linux afpd[10601]: logout mconin > > Apr 22 14:03:15 linux afpd[10601]: 417576.93KB read, 91574.69KB written > > > > Due to a lot of copying to the server I expected > > ~400 MB written to the server and ~100MB read. > > > > Could it be that the two values are mixed up or > > do they reflect something else than the users file transer? > > May be that's a philosophical question!? :-) > > But if I WRITE 400 MB as a client to the server > I expect server to READ these 400 MB. > Otherwise, if I READ 100 MB from this server > it must WRITE these 100 MB to me. > > Kind regards > > Carsten -- --schnipp-- mit freundlichen grüssen ----------------------------------------------------------- Mac Conin EUC Online Service GmbH mconin@euc.de D 50676 Koeln http://www.euc.de HRB Köln 32038 tel : +49-221-923 27 33 fax : +49-221-239 651 ----------------------------------------------------------- From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Mon Apr 23 11:22:37 2001 Return-Path: Received: from easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.26]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id LAA16512 for ; Mon, 23 Apr 2001 11:22:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id LAA23363 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Mon, 23 Apr 2001 11:22:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id LAA23343 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Mon, 23 Apr 2001 11:22:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay.mail.pipex.net (relay.mail.pipex.net [158.43.128.38]) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with SMTP id LAA23279 for ; Mon, 23 Apr 2001 11:22:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 18382 invoked from network); 23 Apr 2001 14:56:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO netpilotbr.broadley.hopkins.co.uk) (62.189.170.1) by relay.mail.pipex.net with SMTP; 23 Apr 2001 14:56:38 -0000 Received: from 194.159.148.247 (unknown [194.159.148.247]) by netpilotbr.broadley.hopkins.co.uk (Postfix) with ESMTP id E3A5D1A003 for ; Mon, 23 Apr 2001 15:53:22 +0100 (BST) Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 15:19:39 +0100 From: Rory Campbell-Lange Subject: "Password incorrect" problems To: netatalk-admins@umich.edu X-Priority: 3 Message-ID: <20010423155538-r01010600-19af27f7@194.159.148.247> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; Charset=US-ASCII X-Mailer: Mailsmith 1.1.6 (Bluto) Sender: campbell-lange@mail.campbell-lange.net Thanks for everyone's help getting me onto 1.5pre6. I have eventually got 1.5pre6 installed from deb. I'm having trouble getting errors "sorry your password is incorrect. Please reenter it" when the user treetop tries to log on. I've had the same problem with the other 1.5pre releases I've installed from deb. The 1.4b2+asun release I replaced did not have these problems. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- atalkd.conf: no contents afpd.conf "Penquin" -uamlist uams_clrtxt.so AppleVolumes.default /home/treetop/test "Test" etc/pam.d/netatalk #%PAM-1.0 auth required /lib/security/pam_pwdb.so shadow account required /lib/security/pam_pwdb.so #password required /lib/security/pam_cracklib.so #password required /lib/security/pam_pwdb.so shadow use_authtok session required /lib/security/pam_pwdb.so syslog: 14:24:37 hopnet2 afpd[29078]: Penquin:AFPServer@* started on 6.218:128 (1.5pre6) 14:24:37 hopnet2 afpd[29078]: ASIP started on x.x.x.x:548(2) (1.5pre6) 14:24:37 hopnet2 afpd[29078]: uam : Loading (/etc/netatalk/uams/uams_clrtxt.so) 14:24:37 hopnet2 afpd[29078]: uam: uams_clrtxt.so loaded 14:24:37 hopnet2 afpd[29078]: uam: "Cleartxt Passwrd" available .... 14:53:16 hopnet2 afpd[29140]: ASIP session:548(2) from x.x.x.247:49456(0) 14:53:16 hopnet2 afpd[29140]: cleartext login: treetop 14:53:16 hopnet2 afpd[29140]: 0.08KB read, 0.07KB written 14:53:16 hopnet2 afpd[29078]: server_child[1] 29140 done <--- no note of failed login! From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Mon Apr 23 11:48:58 2001 Return-Path: Received: from funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.27]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id LAA17739 for ; Mon, 23 Apr 2001 11:48:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id LAA22186 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Mon, 23 Apr 2001 11:48:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id LAA22170 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Mon, 23 Apr 2001 11:48:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from potsdam.edu (potsdam.edu [137.143.110.101]) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with SMTP id LAA22100 for ; Mon, 23 Apr 2001 11:48:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 28451 invoked by alias); 23 Apr 2001 15:48:59 -0000 Received: (qmail 28440 invoked by uid 0); 23 Apr 2001 15:48:59 -0000 Received: from comp10574.potsdam.edu (137.143.111.133) by potsdam.edu with SMTP; 23 Apr 2001 15:48:59 -0000 Subject: Re: "Password incorrect" problems From: Matthew Keller To: Rory Campbell-Lange Cc: netatalk-admins@umich.edu, Netatalk-Devel List In-Reply-To: <20010423155538-r01010600-19af27f7@194.159.148.247> References: <20010423155538-r01010600-19af27f7@194.159.148.247> Content-Type: text/plain X-Mailer: Evolution/0.10+cvs.2001.04.11.08.00 (Preview Release) Date: 23 Apr 2001 11:48:52 -0400 Message-Id: <988040932.4234.21.camel@comp10574.potsdam.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 1) You sure the password is correct? ;) 2) If you're using PAM (as it looks like you are) are you sure that netatalk is compiled with --with-pam?.. Hmmm... Looks like you installed from a package. That's why I can't stand packages, you never know what flags were used at compile time. *hurumph* I forget who the .DEB maintainer is - Perhaps he/she can mention a word? Sorry for the cross-post: Trying to nail down a solution. On 23 Apr 2001 15:19:39 +0100, Rory Campbell-Lange wrote: > Thanks for everyone's help getting me onto 1.5pre6. I have eventually > got 1.5pre6 installed from deb. > > I'm having trouble getting errors "sorry your password is incorrect. > Please reenter it" when the user treetop tries to log on. I've had the > same problem with the other 1.5pre releases I've installed from deb. > > The 1.4b2+asun release I replaced did not have these problems. > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > atalkd.conf: > no contents > afpd.conf > "Penquin" -uamlist uams_clrtxt.so > AppleVolumes.default > /home/treetop/test "Test" > > etc/pam.d/netatalk > #%PAM-1.0 > auth required /lib/security/pam_pwdb.so shadow > account required /lib/security/pam_pwdb.so > #password required /lib/security/pam_cracklib.so > #password required /lib/security/pam_pwdb.so shadow use_authtok > session required /lib/security/pam_pwdb.so > > syslog: > > 14:24:37 hopnet2 afpd[29078]: Penquin:AFPServer@* started on 6.218:128 > (1.5pre6) > 14:24:37 hopnet2 afpd[29078]: ASIP started on x.x.x.x:548(2) (1.5pre6) > 14:24:37 hopnet2 afpd[29078]: uam : Loading > (/etc/netatalk/uams/uams_clrtxt.so) > 14:24:37 hopnet2 afpd[29078]: uam: uams_clrtxt.so loaded > 14:24:37 hopnet2 afpd[29078]: uam: "Cleartxt Passwrd" available > > .... > > 14:53:16 hopnet2 afpd[29140]: ASIP session:548(2) from > x.x.x.247:49456(0) > 14:53:16 hopnet2 afpd[29140]: cleartext login: treetop > 14:53:16 hopnet2 afpd[29140]: 0.08KB read, 0.07KB written > 14:53:16 hopnet2 afpd[29078]: server_child[1] 29140 done > <--- no note of failed login! > > -- Matthew Keller Enterprise System Analyst Computing & Technology Services Information Services Division State University of NY at Potsdam Potsdam, NY USA http://mattwork.potsdam.edu/ From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Mon Apr 23 12:07:46 2001 Return-Path: Received: from funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.27]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id MAA18480 for ; Mon, 23 Apr 2001 12:07:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id MAA22232 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Mon, 23 Apr 2001 12:07:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id MAA22225 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Mon, 23 Apr 2001 12:07:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.teleologic.net (17eos170.eosinc.com [12.39.14.170]) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id MAA22168 for ; Mon, 23 Apr 2001 12:07:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mail.teleologic.net (Postfix, from userid 2000) id 7996B2C656; Mon, 23 Apr 2001 11:07:42 -0500 (CDT) Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 11:07:42 -0500 From: Danny Sauer To: Matthew Keller Cc: Rory Campbell-Lange , netatalk-admins@umich.edu, Netatalk-Devel List Subject: Re: "Password incorrect" problems Message-ID: <20010423110742.J7184@newwww.teleologic.net> References: <20010423155538-r01010600-19af27f7@194.159.148.247> <988040932.4234.21.camel@comp10574.potsdam.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.12i In-Reply-To: <988040932.4234.21.camel@comp10574.potsdam.edu>; from kellermg@potsdam.edu on Mon, Apr 23, 2001 at 11:48:52AM -0400 X-Operating-System: Linux 2.4.0-4GB i686 X-Dont-Spam-Me: I might come after you ldd `which afppasswd` | grep pam replace `which afppasswd` with the path to whatever binary you want to look at. --Danny Matthew wrote regarding 'Re: "Password incorrect" problems' on Mon, Apr 23 at 10:56: > > 1) You sure the password is correct? ;) > 2) If you're using PAM (as it looks like you are) are you sure that > netatalk is compiled with --with-pam?.. Hmmm... Looks like you installed > from a package. That's why I can't stand packages, you never know what > flags were used at compile time. *hurumph* > > I forget who the .DEB maintainer is - Perhaps he/she can mention a word? > Sorry for the cross-post: Trying to nail down a solution. > > On 23 Apr 2001 15:19:39 +0100, Rory Campbell-Lange wrote: > > Thanks for everyone's help getting me onto 1.5pre6. I have eventually > > got 1.5pre6 installed from deb. > > > > I'm having trouble getting errors "sorry your password is incorrect. > > Please reenter it" when the user treetop tries to log on. I've had the > > same problem with the other 1.5pre releases I've installed from deb. > > > > The 1.4b2+asun release I replaced did not have these problems. > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > atalkd.conf: > > no contents > > afpd.conf > > "Penquin" -uamlist uams_clrtxt.so > > AppleVolumes.default > > /home/treetop/test "Test" > > > > etc/pam.d/netatalk > > #%PAM-1.0 > > auth required /lib/security/pam_pwdb.so shadow > > account required /lib/security/pam_pwdb.so > > #password required /lib/security/pam_cracklib.so > > #password required /lib/security/pam_pwdb.so shadow use_authtok > > session required /lib/security/pam_pwdb.so > > > > syslog: > > > > 14:24:37 hopnet2 afpd[29078]: Penquin:AFPServer@* started on 6.218:128 > > (1.5pre6) > > 14:24:37 hopnet2 afpd[29078]: ASIP started on x.x.x.x:548(2) (1.5pre6) > > 14:24:37 hopnet2 afpd[29078]: uam : Loading > > (/etc/netatalk/uams/uams_clrtxt.so) > > 14:24:37 hopnet2 afpd[29078]: uam: uams_clrtxt.so loaded > > 14:24:37 hopnet2 afpd[29078]: uam: "Cleartxt Passwrd" available > > > > .... > > > > 14:53:16 hopnet2 afpd[29140]: ASIP session:548(2) from > > x.x.x.247:49456(0) > > 14:53:16 hopnet2 afpd[29140]: cleartext login: treetop > > 14:53:16 hopnet2 afpd[29140]: 0.08KB read, 0.07KB written > > 14:53:16 hopnet2 afpd[29078]: server_child[1] 29140 done > > <--- no note of failed login! > > > > > > -- > > Matthew Keller > Enterprise System Analyst > Computing & Technology Services > Information Services Division > State University of NY at Potsdam > Potsdam, NY USA > > http://mattwork.potsdam.edu/ > From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Mon Apr 23 13:00:53 2001 Return-Path: Received: from funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.27]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id NAA20152 for ; Mon, 23 Apr 2001 13:00:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id NAA13568 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Mon, 23 Apr 2001 13:00:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id NAA13551 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Mon, 23 Apr 2001 13:00:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay.mail.pipex.net (relay.mail.pipex.net [158.43.128.38]) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with SMTP id NAA13508 for ; Mon, 23 Apr 2001 13:00:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 7527 invoked from network); 23 Apr 2001 16:47:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO netpilotbr.broadley.hopkins.co.uk) (62.189.170.1) by relay.mail.pipex.net with SMTP; 23 Apr 2001 16:47:11 -0000 Received: from 194.159.148.247 (unknown [194.159.148.247]) by netpilotbr.broadley.hopkins.co.uk (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D0181A004; Mon, 23 Apr 2001 17:44:15 +0100 (BST) Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 17:46:18 +0100 From: Rory Campbell-Lange Subject: Re: "Password incorrect" problems To: Danny Sauer Cc: netatalk-admins@umich.edu, Matthew Keller X-Priority: 3 In-Reply-To: <20010423110742.J7184@newwww.teleologic.net> Message-ID: <20010423174630-r01010600-91bd02fb@194.159.148.247> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; Charset=US-ASCII X-Mailer: Mailsmith 1.1.6 (Bluto) Thanks for the mails, Danny & Matthew ldd /usr/sbin/afpd | grep pam libpam.so.0 => /lib/libpam.so.0 (0x4012f000) ldd /usr/sbin/afpd | grep pam libpam.so.0 => /lib/libpam.so.0 (0x4012f000) I'll ask Sebastian, the package maintainer, if he can shed some light on the packaging settings. On 23/4/01, kellermg@potsdam.edu (Matthew Keller) wrote: > > 1) You sure the password is correct? ;) > 2) If you're using PAM (as it looks like you are) are you sure that > netatalk is compiled with --with-pam?.. Hmmm... Looks like you > installed from a package. That's why I can't stand packages, you never > know what flags were used at compile time. *hurumph* > > I forget who the .DEB maintainer is - Perhaps he/she can mention a > word? Sorry for the cross-post: Trying to nail down a solution. > > On 23 Apr 2001 15:19:39 +0100, Rory Campbell-Lange wrote: > > Thanks for everyone's help getting me onto 1.5pre6. I have > > eventually got 1.5pre6 installed from deb. > > > > I'm having trouble getting errors "sorry your password is incorrect. > > Please reenter it" when the user treetop tries to log on. I've had > > the same problem with the other 1.5pre releases I've installed from > > deb. > > > > The 1.4b2+asun release I replaced did not have these problems. > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > atalkd.conf: > > no contents > > afpd.conf > > "Penquin" -uamlist uams_clrtxt.so > > AppleVolumes.default > > /home/treetop/test "Test" > > > > etc/pam.d/netatalk > > #%PAM-1.0 > > auth required /lib/security/pam_pwdb.so shadow > > account required /lib/security/pam_pwdb.so > > #password required /lib/security/pam_cracklib.so > > #password required /lib/security/pam_pwdb.so shadow use_authtok > > session required /lib/security/pam_pwdb.so > > > > syslog: > > > > 14:24:37 hopnet2 afpd[29078]: Penquin:AFPServer@* started on > > 6.218:128 > > (1.5pre6) > > 14:24:37 hopnet2 afpd[29078]: ASIP started on x.x.x.x:548(2) > > (1.5pre6) 14:24:37 hopnet2 afpd[29078]: uam : Loading > > (/etc/netatalk/uams/uams_clrtxt.so) > > 14:24:37 hopnet2 afpd[29078]: uam: uams_clrtxt.so loaded > > 14:24:37 hopnet2 afpd[29078]: uam: "Cleartxt Passwrd" available > > > > .... > > > > 14:53:16 hopnet2 afpd[29140]: ASIP session:548(2) from > > x.x.x.247:49456(0) > > 14:53:16 hopnet2 afpd[29140]: cleartext login: treetop > > 14:53:16 hopnet2 afpd[29140]: 0.08KB read, 0.07KB written > > 14:53:16 hopnet2 afpd[29078]: server_child[1] 29140 done > > <--- no note of failed login! From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Mon Apr 23 13:21:46 2001 Return-Path: Received: from kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.25]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id NAA20789 for ; Mon, 23 Apr 2001 13:21:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id NAA12149 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Mon, 23 Apr 2001 13:21:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id NAA12135 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Mon, 23 Apr 2001 13:21:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from potsdam.edu (potsdam.edu [137.143.110.101]) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with SMTP id NAA12092 for ; Mon, 23 Apr 2001 13:21:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 6356 invoked by alias); 23 Apr 2001 17:21:49 -0000 Received: (qmail 6343 invoked by uid 0); 23 Apr 2001 17:21:48 -0000 Received: from comp10574.potsdam.edu (137.143.111.133) by potsdam.edu with SMTP; 23 Apr 2001 17:21:48 -0000 Subject: Re: "Password incorrect" problems From: Matthew Keller To: Rory Campbell-Lange Cc: netatalk-admins@umich.edu In-Reply-To: <20010423174630-r01010600-91bd02fb@194.159.148.247> References: <20010423174630-r01010600-91bd02fb@194.159.148.247> Content-Type: text/plain X-Mailer: Evolution/0.10+cvs.2001.04.11.08.00 (Preview Release) Date: 23 Apr 2001 13:21:43 -0400 Message-Id: <988046503.4235.23.camel@comp10574.potsdam.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 That's enough to confirm that it's compiled with PAM support. *sigh* Anyone else using the .DEB's and either working ok, or not? Anyone on a Debian based system compiling from source and have feedback? On 23 Apr 2001 17:46:18 +0100, Rory Campbell-Lange wrote: > Thanks for the mails, Danny & Matthew > > ldd /usr/sbin/afpd | grep pam > libpam.so.0 => /lib/libpam.so.0 (0x4012f000) > > ldd /usr/sbin/afpd | grep pam > libpam.so.0 => /lib/libpam.so.0 (0x4012f000) > > I'll ask Sebastian, the package maintainer, if he can shed some light on > the packaging settings. > > On 23/4/01, kellermg@potsdam.edu (Matthew Keller) wrote: > > > > > 1) You sure the password is correct? ;) > > 2) If you're using PAM (as it looks like you are) are you sure that > > netatalk is compiled with --with-pam?.. Hmmm... Looks like you > > installed from a package. That's why I can't stand packages, you never > > know what flags were used at compile time. *hurumph* > > > > I forget who the .DEB maintainer is - Perhaps he/she can mention a > > word? Sorry for the cross-post: Trying to nail down a solution. > > > > On 23 Apr 2001 15:19:39 +0100, Rory Campbell-Lange wrote: > > > Thanks for everyone's help getting me onto 1.5pre6. I have > > > eventually got 1.5pre6 installed from deb. > > > > > > I'm having trouble getting errors "sorry your password is incorrect. > > > Please reenter it" when the user treetop tries to log on. I've had > > > the same problem with the other 1.5pre releases I've installed from > > > deb. > > > > > > The 1.4b2+asun release I replaced did not have these problems. > > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > atalkd.conf: > > > no contents > > > afpd.conf > > > "Penquin" -uamlist uams_clrtxt.so > > > AppleVolumes.default > > > /home/treetop/test "Test" > > > > > > etc/pam.d/netatalk > > > #%PAM-1.0 > > > auth required /lib/security/pam_pwdb.so shadow > > > account required /lib/security/pam_pwdb.so > > > #password required /lib/security/pam_cracklib.so > > > #password required /lib/security/pam_pwdb.so shadow > use_authtok > > > session required /lib/security/pam_pwdb.so > > > > > > syslog: > > > > > > 14:24:37 hopnet2 afpd[29078]: Penquin:AFPServer@* started on > > > 6.218:128 > > > (1.5pre6) > > > 14:24:37 hopnet2 afpd[29078]: ASIP started on x.x.x.x:548(2) > > > (1.5pre6) 14:24:37 hopnet2 afpd[29078]: uam : Loading > > > (/etc/netatalk/uams/uams_clrtxt.so) > > > 14:24:37 hopnet2 afpd[29078]: uam: uams_clrtxt.so loaded > > > 14:24:37 hopnet2 afpd[29078]: uam: "Cleartxt Passwrd" available > > > > > > .... > > > > > > 14:53:16 hopnet2 afpd[29140]: ASIP session:548(2) from > > > x.x.x.247:49456(0) > > > 14:53:16 hopnet2 afpd[29140]: cleartext login: treetop > > > 14:53:16 hopnet2 afpd[29140]: 0.08KB read, 0.07KB written > > > 14:53:16 hopnet2 afpd[29078]: server_child[1] 29140 done > > > <--- no note of failed login! > -- Matthew Keller Enterprise System Analyst Computing & Technology Services Information Services Division State University of NY at Potsdam Potsdam, NY USA http://mattwork.potsdam.edu/ From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Mon Apr 23 13:50:01 2001 Return-Path: Received: from funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.27]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id NAA21754 for ; Mon, 23 Apr 2001 13:50:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id NAA25189 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Mon, 23 Apr 2001 13:49:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id NAA25160 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Mon, 23 Apr 2001 13:49:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mhub7.tc.umn.edu (mhub7.tc.umn.edu [160.94.151.218]) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id NAA25101 for ; Mon, 23 Apr 2001 13:49:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from garnet.tc.umn.edu by mhub7.tc.umn.edu with ESMTP for netatalk-admins@umich.edu; Mon, 23 Apr 2001 12:49:22 -0500 Received: from localhost by garnet.tc.umn.edu with ESMTP for netatalk-admins@umich.edu; Mon, 23 Apr 2001 12:49:22 -0500 Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 12:49:22 -0500 (CDT) From: Karen A Swanberg To: netatalk-admins@umich.edu Subject: 1.5pre6 not installing on OpenBSD 2.8 Message-Id: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I've downloaded from sourceforge the 1.5pre6 tarball. After reading the "Install path problems in Debian" thread, I'm using this configure: # ./configure --prefix=/usr/local \ --with-config-dir=/usr/local/etc \ --with-ssl-dir=/usr > install.txt ./configure[5119]: AUTHORS: not found # gmake >> install.txt uam.c: In function `uam_afpserver_option': uam.c:324: warning: assignment makes pointer from integer without a cast file.c:1615: warning: mktemp() possibly used unsafely; consider using mkstemp() magics.c: In function `cm_psadobe': magics.c:111: warning: initialization from incompatible pointer type magics.c:132: [about 30 more similar lines] #gmake install >> install.txt Makefile:374: warning: overriding commands for target `install-strip' Makefile:304: warning: ignoring old commands for target `install-strip' Makefile:382: warning: overriding commands for target `clean-recursive' ... When I reboot the machine, the daemons don't start, but fail silently. More info: in my /var/log/messages: . starting local daemons:. starting appletalk daemons: . . my rc.local: echo -n 'starting appletalk daemons:' echo ' . ' if [ -x :SBINDIR:/atalkd ]; then # :SBINDIR:/atalkd -f /etc/atalk/atalkd.conf; echo -n ' atalkd' :SBINDIR:/atalkd; echo -n ' atalkd' fi if [ -x :BINDIR:/nbprgstr ]; then :BINDIR:/nbprgstr -p 4 `hostname|sed 's/\..*$//'`:Workstation :BINDIR:/nbprgstr -p 4 `hostname|sed 's/\..*$//'`:netatalk echo -n ' nbprgstr' fi if [ -x :SBINDIR:/afpd ]; then # :SBINDIR:/afpd -G; echo -n ' afpd' :SBINDIR:/afpd; echo -n ' afpd' fi [all timelord stuff commented out] dmesg | grep -i Apple doesn't give me anything. My Makefile: SHELL = /bin/sh srcdir = . top_srcdir = . prefix = /usr/local exec_prefix = ${prefix} bindir = ${exec_prefix}/bin ... and in /usr/local/etc/ my afpd.conf at the moment is the default, with everything commented out. My AppleVolumes.default is this: ~ /home/public "Public Fileshare" and my atalkd.conf is this fxp0 this line usually gets populated on the first reboot, but this time is not. I have no idea what this might be (although I just got a sneaking suspicion it's to do with my other unix machines...), anyone have any suggestions on where to turn from here? I've repeatedly run gmake clean, but gmake distclean and gmake uninstall both don't work. I -do- have 1.4b2+asun2.1.3 running successfully on this machine, those binaries are in /usr/local/atalk though, and the config files are somewhere else too. I have that install.txt file to which I logged all of my .configure/gmake/gmake install outputs, if anyone wants it. Any other useful info I can send along? Sincerely, * * Karen Swanberg | Network Admin. | Error: Sector not found-- Dept. of Geology/Geophysics |search behind couch? 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(612) 624-6541 | * * From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Mon Apr 23 14:29:58 2001 Return-Path: Received: from funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.27]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id OAA23115 for ; Mon, 23 Apr 2001 14:29:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id OAA02155 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Mon, 23 Apr 2001 14:29:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id OAA02133 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Mon, 23 Apr 2001 14:29:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from email.wm.edu (mars.wm.edu [128.239.10.11]) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id OAA02035 for ; Mon, 23 Apr 2001 14:29:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wm145-202.resnet.wm.edu (wm145-202.resnet.wm.edu [128.239.202.145]) by email.wm.edu (2.1.2/8.9.1/Execmail 2.1) with ESMTP id OAA08677; Mon, 23 Apr 2001 14:29:14 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: "Password incorrect" problems From: Rob Lineweaver To: Matthew Keller Cc: Rory Campbell-Lange , netatalk-admins@umich.edu In-Reply-To: <988046503.4235.23.camel@comp10574.potsdam.edu> References: <20010423174630-r01010600-91bd02fb@194.159.148.247> <988046503.4235.23.camel@comp10574.potsdam.edu> Content-Type: text/plain X-Mailer: Evolution/0.10 (Preview Release) Date: 23 Apr 2001 14:29:54 -0400 Message-Id: <988050595.728.0.camel@twain> Mime-Version: 1.0 > That's enough to confirm that it's compiled with PAM support. *sigh* > > Anyone else using the .DEB's and either working ok, or not? Anyone > on a Debian based system compiling from source and have feedback? I've had success with 1.5pre6 compiled from source on Debian/m68k unstable. Configured with: ./configure --prefix=/usr/local --with-config-dir=/etc/atalk --with-uams-path=/etc/atalk/uams --with-msg-dir=/etc/atalk/msg --enable-lastdid --with-pam --with-shadow --with-tcp-wrappers --with-ssl I'm not sure if the --with-shadow is necessary or not but it might be something to try (it's probably in the .deb anyway, but I've never used the deb). I would recommend compiling from source with the above (or similar) configuration to see if that fixes it. Also, I'm wondering why the original poster was only allowing cleartext logins. Is there some reason you actively don't want uams_dhx.so? Which appleshare client(s) are you using? good luck, Rob Lineweaver :) > On 23 Apr 2001 17:46:18 +0100, Rory Campbell-Lange wrote: > > Thanks for the mails, Danny & Matthew > > > > ldd /usr/sbin/afpd | grep pam > > libpam.so.0 => /lib/libpam.so.0 (0x4012f000) > > > > ldd /usr/sbin/afpd | grep pam > > libpam.so.0 => /lib/libpam.so.0 (0x4012f000) > > > > I'll ask Sebastian, the package maintainer, if he can shed some light on > > the packaging settings. > > > > On 23/4/01, kellermg@potsdam.edu (Matthew Keller) wrote: > > > > > > > > 1) You sure the password is correct? ;) > > > 2) If you're using PAM (as it looks like you are) are you sure that > > > netatalk is compiled with --with-pam?.. Hmmm... Looks like you > > > installed from a package. That's why I can't stand packages, you never > > > know what flags were used at compile time. *hurumph* > > > > > > I forget who the .DEB maintainer is - Perhaps he/she can mention a > > > word? Sorry for the cross-post: Trying to nail down a solution. > > > > > > On 23 Apr 2001 15:19:39 +0100, Rory Campbell-Lange wrote: > > > > Thanks for everyone's help getting me onto 1.5pre6. I have > > > > eventually got 1.5pre6 installed from deb. > > > > > > > > I'm having trouble getting errors "sorry your password is incorrect. > > > > Please reenter it" when the user treetop tries to log on. I've had > > > > the same problem with the other 1.5pre releases I've installed from > > > > deb. > > > > > > > > The 1.4b2+asun release I replaced did not have these problems. > > > > > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > > > atalkd.conf: > > > > no contents > > > > afpd.conf > > > > "Penquin" -uamlist uams_clrtxt.so > > > > AppleVolumes.default > > > > /home/treetop/test "Test" > > > > > > > > etc/pam.d/netatalk > > > > #%PAM-1.0 > > > > auth required /lib/security/pam_pwdb.so shadow > > > > account required /lib/security/pam_pwdb.so > > > > #password required /lib/security/pam_cracklib.so > > > > #password required /lib/security/pam_pwdb.so shadow > > use_authtok > > > > session required /lib/security/pam_pwdb.so > > > > > > > > syslog: > > > > > > > > 14:24:37 hopnet2 afpd[29078]: Penquin:AFPServer@* started on > > > > 6.218:128 > > > > (1.5pre6) > > > > 14:24:37 hopnet2 afpd[29078]: ASIP started on x.x.x.x:548(2) > > > > (1.5pre6) 14:24:37 hopnet2 afpd[29078]: uam : Loading > > > > (/etc/netatalk/uams/uams_clrtxt.so) > > > > 14:24:37 hopnet2 afpd[29078]: uam: uams_clrtxt.so loaded > > > > 14:24:37 hopnet2 afpd[29078]: uam: "Cleartxt Passwrd" available > > > > > > > > .... > > > > > > > > 14:53:16 hopnet2 afpd[29140]: ASIP session:548(2) from > > > > x.x.x.247:49456(0) > > > > 14:53:16 hopnet2 afpd[29140]: cleartext login: treetop > > > > 14:53:16 hopnet2 afpd[29140]: 0.08KB read, 0.07KB written > > > > 14:53:16 hopnet2 afpd[29078]: server_child[1] 29140 done > > > > <--- no note of failed login! From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Mon Apr 23 14:34:34 2001 Return-Path: Received: from easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.26]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id OAA23301 for ; Mon, 23 Apr 2001 14:34:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id OAA04919 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Mon, 23 Apr 2001 14:34:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id OAA04898 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Mon, 23 Apr 2001 14:34:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from potsdam.edu (potsdam.edu [137.143.110.101]) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with SMTP id OAA04521 for ; Mon, 23 Apr 2001 14:34:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 17426 invoked by alias); 23 Apr 2001 18:34:14 -0000 Received: (qmail 15746 invoked by uid 0); 23 Apr 2001 18:31:45 -0000 Received: from comp10574.potsdam.edu (137.143.111.133) by potsdam.edu with SMTP; 23 Apr 2001 18:31:45 -0000 Subject: Re: 1.5pre6 not installing on OpenBSD 2.8 From: Matthew Keller To: Karen A Swanberg Cc: netatalk-admins@umich.edu In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain X-Mailer: Evolution/0.10+cvs.2001.04.11.08.00 (Preview Release) Date: 23 Apr 2001 14:31:38 -0400 Message-Id: <988050698.4235.25.camel@comp10574.potsdam.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 I have had problems in the past with multiple Netatalk binaries on the same box - Depending on how your "path" is contructed you might be trying to execute the bins you're not anticipating. I would try to execute them manually. All you need is atalkd and afpd (you don't have to fool with nbpregister, etc). A good test is to (as root) just run (with the correct paths): /usr/local/sbin/atalkd; /usr/local/sbin/afpd -c 500 -n "Your Box@Your Zone" -U uams_clrtxt.so And see what beeps. If atalkd dies, its probably a problem binding to libatalk. If afpd dies but atalkd keeps running, its more likely a config error. From the output you've sent, the build seems ok, its the install that looks less-than-yummy. On 23 Apr 2001 12:49:22 -0500, Karen A Swanberg wrote: > > I've downloaded from sourceforge the 1.5pre6 tarball. > > After reading the "Install path problems in Debian" thread, I'm using this > configure: > > # ./configure --prefix=/usr/local \ > --with-config-dir=/usr/local/etc \ > --with-ssl-dir=/usr > install.txt > > ./configure[5119]: AUTHORS: not found > > > # gmake >> install.txt > > uam.c: In function `uam_afpserver_option': > uam.c:324: warning: assignment makes pointer from integer without a cast > file.c:1615: > warning: mktemp() possibly used unsafely; consider using > mkstemp() magics.c: In function `cm_psadobe': magics.c:111: > warning: initialization from incompatible pointer type magics.c:132: > [about 30 more similar lines] > > #gmake install >> install.txt > > Makefile:374: warning: overriding commands for target `install-strip' > Makefile:304: warning: ignoring old commands for target `install-strip' > Makefile:382: warning: overriding commands for target `clean-recursive' > ... > > > When I reboot the machine, the daemons don't start, but fail silently. > > More info: > > in my /var/log/messages: > > . > starting local daemons:. > starting appletalk daemons: . > . > > > my rc.local: > > echo -n 'starting appletalk daemons:' > echo ' . ' > > > if [ -x :SBINDIR:/atalkd ]; then > # :SBINDIR:/atalkd -f /etc/atalk/atalkd.conf; echo -n ' atalkd' > :SBINDIR:/atalkd; echo -n ' atalkd' > fi > > if [ -x :BINDIR:/nbprgstr ]; then > :BINDIR:/nbprgstr -p 4 `hostname|sed 's/\..*$//'`:Workstation > :BINDIR:/nbprgstr -p 4 `hostname|sed 's/\..*$//'`:netatalk > echo -n ' nbprgstr' > fi > > if [ -x :SBINDIR:/afpd ]; then > # :SBINDIR:/afpd -G; echo -n ' afpd' > :SBINDIR:/afpd; echo -n ' afpd' > fi > > > [all timelord stuff commented out] > > dmesg | grep -i Apple doesn't give me anything. > > My Makefile: > > SHELL = /bin/sh > srcdir = . > top_srcdir = . > prefix = /usr/local > exec_prefix = ${prefix} > > bindir = ${exec_prefix}/bin > ... > > > and in /usr/local/etc/ my afpd.conf at the moment is the default, with > everything commented out. My AppleVolumes.default is this: > > ~ > /home/public "Public Fileshare" > > and my atalkd.conf is this > > fxp0 > > this line usually gets populated on the first reboot, but this time is > not. > > > I have no idea what this might be (although I just got a sneaking > suspicion it's to do with my other unix machines...), anyone have any > suggestions on where to turn from here? > > I've repeatedly run > gmake clean, but gmake distclean and gmake uninstall both don't work. > > I -do- have 1.4b2+asun2.1.3 running successfully on this machine, those > binaries are in /usr/local/atalk though, and the config files are > somewhere else too. > > > I have that install.txt file to which I logged all of my > .configure/gmake/gmake install outputs, if anyone wants it. > > Any other useful info I can send along? > > Sincerely, > > * * > Karen Swanberg | > Network Admin. | Error: Sector not found-- > Dept. of Geology/Geophysics |search behind couch? (Y/N) > 206 Pillsbury Hall | > 310 Pillsbury Ave. SE | > University of Mn | Enter any 11-digit prime > Minneapolis, MN 55455 | number to continue... > (612) 624-6541 | > * * > > > > -- Matthew Keller Enterprise System Analyst Computing & Technology Services Information Services Division State University of NY at Potsdam Potsdam, NY USA http://mattwork.potsdam.edu/ From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Mon Apr 23 15:36:16 2001 Return-Path: Received: from funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.27]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id PAA25681 for ; Mon, 23 Apr 2001 15:36:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id PAA26266 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Mon, 23 Apr 2001 15:36:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id PAA26244 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Mon, 23 Apr 2001 15:36:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mhub7.tc.umn.edu (mhub7.tc.umn.edu [160.94.151.218]) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id PAA26102 for ; Mon, 23 Apr 2001 15:36:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from garnet.tc.umn.edu by mhub7.tc.umn.edu with ESMTP for netatalk-admins@umich.edu; Mon, 23 Apr 2001 14:36:04 -0500 Received: from localhost by garnet.tc.umn.edu with ESMTP for netatalk-admins@umich.edu; Mon, 23 Apr 2001 14:36:03 -0500 Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 14:36:03 -0500 (CDT) From: Karen A Swanberg To: netatalk-admins@umich.edu Subject: Re: 1.5pre6 not installing on OpenBSD 2.8-fixed In-Reply-To: <988050698.4235.25.camel@comp10574.potsdam.edu> Message-Id: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII on 04/23/01, Matthew Keller wisely declared: > > I have had problems in the past with multiple Netatalk binaries on > the same box - Depending on how your "path" is contructed you might > be trying to execute the bins you're not anticipating. I would try > to execute them manually. All you need is atalkd and afpd (you don't > have to fool with nbpregister, etc). A good test is to (as root) > just run (with the correct paths): > > /usr/local/sbin/atalkd; /usr/local/sbin/afpd -c 500 -n "Your > Box@Your Zone" -U uams_clrtxt.so This test ran successfully. So going on the multiple binaries theory, I changed all of the lines in my rc.local from if [ -x :SBINDIR:/atalkd ]; then to if [ -x /usr/local/sbin/atalkd ]; then and now everything is running mostly smoothly (yes!) but alas, I must now jump into the permissions thread, as I am still getting the .AppleDouble error on the server. More over there. Tcp_wrappers still isn't working on OpenBSD, but that's been documented at SourceForge, under http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&atid=108642&aid=414406&group_id=8642 and seems to be a build problem I am unable to track down. I'll continue to beat on 1.5pre6 on OpenBSD... Sincerely, * * Karen Swanberg | Network Admin. | Error: Sector not found-- Dept. of Geology/Geophysics |search behind couch? (Y/N) 206 Pillsbury Hall | 310 Pillsbury Ave. SE | University of Mn | Enter any 11-digit prime Minneapolis, MN 55455 | number to continue... (612) 624-6541 | * * From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Mon Apr 23 15:58:22 2001 Return-Path: Received: from kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.25]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id PAA26580 for ; Mon, 23 Apr 2001 15:58:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id PAA29126 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Mon, 23 Apr 2001 15:58:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id PAA29105 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Mon, 23 Apr 2001 15:58:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from potsdam.edu (potsdam.edu [137.143.110.101]) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with SMTP id PAA29058 for ; Mon, 23 Apr 2001 15:58:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 19100 invoked by alias); 23 Apr 2001 19:58:26 -0000 Received: (qmail 19090 invoked by uid 0); 23 Apr 2001 19:58:26 -0000 Received: from comp10574.potsdam.edu (137.143.111.133) by potsdam.edu with SMTP; 23 Apr 2001 19:58:26 -0000 Subject: Re: 1.5pre6 not installing on OpenBSD 2.8-fixed From: Matthew Keller To: Karen A Swanberg Cc: netatalk-admins@umich.edu In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain X-Mailer: Evolution/0.10+cvs.2001.04.11.08.00 (Preview Release) Date: 23 Apr 2001 15:58:20 -0400 Message-Id: <988055900.4233.27.camel@comp10574.potsdam.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 On 23 Apr 2001 14:36:03 -0500, Karen A Swanberg wrote: > and now everything is running mostly smoothly (yes!) but alas, I must now > jump into the permissions thread, as I am still getting the .AppleDouble > error on the server. More over there. Super spiffy that you've got running daemons! Grumbliness that you're having the permissions problem. I had them with other 1.5pre's, but once I manually changed the broken .AppleDoubles and was definitely running on 1.5pre6, everything has been roses since. *sigh* Any further hints you can provide would be most helpful as I can't get pre6 to reproduce this (and BOY have I tried). -- Matthew Keller Enterprise System Analyst Computing & Technology Services Information Services Division State University of NY at Potsdam Potsdam, NY USA http://mattwork.potsdam.edu/ From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Mon Apr 23 16:00:33 2001 Return-Path: Received: from funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.27]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id QAA26644 for ; Mon, 23 Apr 2001 16:00:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id QAA08544 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Mon, 23 Apr 2001 16:00:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id QAA08509 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Mon, 23 Apr 2001 16:00:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from local (customer-host-145.yellowspace.net [213.183.5.145]) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with SMTP id QAA08434 for ; Mon, 23 Apr 2001 16:00:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [213.183.5.146] ([213.183.5.146] verified) by local (Stalker SMTP Server 1.7) with ESMTP id S.0000067337 for ; Mon, 23 Apr 2001 21:55:30 +0200 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: lopez.on.the.lists@mail.yellowspace.net Message-Id: Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 22:07:47 +0200 To: netatalk-admins@umich.edu From: Lorenzo Perone Subject: netatalk-devel package Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hi All, could someone make a point on how crucial it is (or necessary) to use the appropriate netatalk-devel package alongside to netatalk when compiling a new version? This is something fairly undocumented... BTW, I'm having difficulties to install the 1.5p6 devel-rpm on some older boxes which have an older rpm version. Could this be provided as tar as well (OK, I can get them out I guess, on a newer distri or w the apropriate rpm package...)? Thanx, :-) Lorenzo From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Mon Apr 23 16:08:37 2001 Return-Path: Received: from funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.27]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id QAA27147 for ; Mon, 23 Apr 2001 16:08:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id QAA22568 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Mon, 23 Apr 2001 16:08:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id QAA22544 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Mon, 23 Apr 2001 16:08:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Headwaiter.discjuke.com (host.disc-storage.com [207.247.74.82] (may be forged)) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id QAA22501 for ; Mon, 23 Apr 2001 16:08:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Win98St1 (node-64-248-99-178.dslspeed.zyan.com [64.248.99.178]) by Headwaiter.discjuke.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2653.13) id F5QF6FMW; Mon, 23 Apr 2001 13:07:49 -0700 From: "Frances Clark" To: Subject: netatalk on AIX Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 13:13:13 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Importance: Normal Hello, I am new to using netatalk, but I have successfully run netatalk on Redhat 6.2 using the provided pre-compiled binaries in rpms with almost no problems. However, I now need to compile and run netatalk on an AIX system. I was wondering if anyone else has tried this, and if so, with what degree of success? Will netatalk compile for AIX? Thanks in advance for your time, --frances _____________________________ F r a n c e s R. C l a r k Senior Systems Architect Disc, Inc. www.disc-storage.com fclark@disc-storage.com _____________________________ From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Mon Apr 23 16:35:51 2001 Return-Path: Received: from easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.26]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id QAA28744 for ; Mon, 23 Apr 2001 16:35:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id QAA09783 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Mon, 23 Apr 2001 16:35:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id QAA09762 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Mon, 23 Apr 2001 16:35:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from potsdam.edu (potsdam.edu [137.143.110.101]) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with SMTP id QAA09721 for ; Mon, 23 Apr 2001 16:35:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 602 invoked by alias); 23 Apr 2001 20:35:55 -0000 Received: (qmail 592 invoked by uid 0); 23 Apr 2001 20:35:55 -0000 Received: from comp10574.potsdam.edu (137.143.111.133) by potsdam.edu with SMTP; 23 Apr 2001 20:35:55 -0000 Subject: Re: netatalk-devel package From: Matthew Keller To: Lorenzo Perone Cc: netatalk-admins@umich.edu In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain X-Mailer: Evolution/0.10+cvs.2001.04.11.08.00 (Preview Release) Date: 23 Apr 2001 16:35:48 -0400 Message-Id: <988058148.4234.30.camel@comp10574.potsdam.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 On 23 Apr 2001 22:07:47 +0200, Lorenzo Perone wrote: > could someone make a point on how crucial it is (or necessary) to use the > appropriate netatalk-devel package alongside to netatalk when > compiling a new version? This is something fairly undocumented... I actually, never even noticed the -devel packages, and don't know what they do. I strongly recommend compiling from source - I have to stress that. The new autoconf system makes it extremely easy (./configure --help for a list of options) and will increase your stability, while decreasing the number of "it's because you installed from a package" problems. And when you DO have problems, it's much easier to troubleshoot. No offense intended to the packagers - They do a good/necessary job. -- Matthew Keller Enterprise System Analyst Computing & Technology Services Information Services Division State University of NY at Potsdam Potsdam, NY USA http://mattwork.potsdam.edu/ From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Mon Apr 23 16:54:24 2001 Return-Path: Received: from kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.25]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id QAA29282 for ; Mon, 23 Apr 2001 16:54:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id QAA14893 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Mon, 23 Apr 2001 16:54:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id QAA14868 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Mon, 23 Apr 2001 16:54:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from univrel.pr.uconn.edu (univrel.pr.uconn.edu [137.99.59.30]) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id QAA14792 for ; Mon, 23 Apr 2001 16:54:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from univrel.pr.uconn.edu (test.pr.uconn.edu [137.99.59.90]) by univrel.pr.uconn.edu (8.11.2/linuxconf) with ESMTP id f3NKsHn25757; Mon, 23 Apr 2001 16:54:17 -0400 Sender: root@univrel.pr.uconn.edu Message-ID: <3AE49670.9807B636@univrel.pr.uconn.edu> Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 16:54:08 -0400 From: jeff X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.17-21mdksmp i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Matthew Keller CC: Lorenzo Perone , netatalk-admins@umich.edu Subject: Re: netatalk-devel package References: <988058148.4234.30.camel@comp10574.potsdam.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Matthew Keller wrote: > > On 23 Apr 2001 22:07:47 +0200, Lorenzo Perone wrote: > > could someone make a point on how crucial it is (or necessary) to use the > > appropriate netatalk-devel package alongside to netatalk when > > compiling a new version? This is something fairly undocumented... > > I actually, never even noticed the -devel packages, and don't know > what they do. I strongly recommend compiling from source - I have to > stress that. The new autoconf system makes it extremely easy > (./configure --help for a list of options) and will increase your > stability, while decreasing the number of "it's because you > installed from a package" problems. And when you DO have problems, > it's much easier to troubleshoot. No offense intended to the > packagers - They do a good/necessary job. Thanks. The devel package is for people who are creating libatalk-based applications. It's pretty useless for everyone else, though. jeff From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Mon Apr 23 17:10:20 2001 Return-Path: Received: from easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.26]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id RAA29802 for ; Mon, 23 Apr 2001 17:10:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id RAA11963 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Mon, 23 Apr 2001 17:10:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id RAA11933 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Mon, 23 Apr 2001 17:10:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tamaris.wanadoo.fr (smtp-rt-12.wanadoo.fr [193.252.19.60]) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id RAA11893 for ; Mon, 23 Apr 2001 17:10:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from andira.wanadoo.fr (193.252.19.152) by tamaris.wanadoo.fr; 23 Apr 2001 23:10:16 +0200 Received: from jeromep8x2uinv (193.249.191.156) by andira.wanadoo.fr; 23 Apr 2001 23:09:45 +0200 Message-ID: <001c01c0cc3a$9793a8e0$9cbff9c1@jeromep8x2uinv> From: "Jerome Nadal" To: Subject: Help about Caldera eDesktop 2.4 and netatalk Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 23:15:25 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0019_01C0CC4B.46EFAD60" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 C'est un message de format MIME en plusieurs parties. ------=_NextPart_000_0019_01C0CC4B.46EFAD60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, I 'm running Caldera eDesktop 2.4 wich had netatalk asun-1.4b2_2.1.3 = installed. I can start up atalk, I can see my server in the chooser (I've got an = Ibook running under MacOs 8.6 and an Imac under MacOs 9.1), I can't = login as a user but I can connect to the server using guest but then I = don't see any volumes. Any help would be appreciated Jerome ------=_NextPart_000_0019_01C0CC4B.46EFAD60 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi,
I 'm running Caldera eDesktop 2.4 wich = had netatalk=20 asun-1.4b2_2.1.3 installed.
I can start up atalk, I can see my = server in the=20 chooser (I've got an Ibook running under MacOs 8.6 and an Imac under = MacOs=20 9.1),  I can't login as a user but I can connect to the server = using guest=20 but then I don't see any volumes.
 
Any help would be  = appreciated
Jerome
------=_NextPart_000_0019_01C0CC4B.46EFAD60-- From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Mon Apr 23 18:20:52 2001 Return-Path: Received: from funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.27]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id SAA02318 for ; Mon, 23 Apr 2001 18:20:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id SAA16285 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Mon, 23 Apr 2001 18:20:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id SAA16253 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Mon, 23 Apr 2001 18:20:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mhub7.tc.umn.edu (mhub7.tc.umn.edu [160.94.151.218]) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id SAA16152 for ; Mon, 23 Apr 2001 18:20:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from garnet.tc.umn.edu by mhub7.tc.umn.edu with ESMTP for netatalk-admins@umich.edu; Mon, 23 Apr 2001 17:20:41 -0500 Received: from localhost by garnet.tc.umn.edu with ESMTP for netatalk-admins@umich.edu; Mon, 23 Apr 2001 17:20:33 -0500 Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 17:20:33 -0500 (CDT) From: Karen A Swanberg To: netatalk-admins@umich.edu Subject: .AppleDouble tests on OpenBSD (long...) Message-Id: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Ok, I'm doing my best to run a thorough set of tests to figure out when the .AppleDouble permissions tank on OpenBSD. First of all, I only ever get the errors on the server. From the client side, the usage is seamless, Joe MacUser would never know there was a problem. The client is a PowerMac G3, running OS 8.0. I also have access to the same computer model with 8.1 and 8.6, if that will help, and I also have blue G4's running 9.0.4. I choose this one because it was physically closest, and I could see the console on the BSD machine. However, the 9.0.4 machines have SSH, so I can log in and watch /var/log/messages from there as well if necessary. For testing purposes, I created two new test directories: /home2/sticky_no chmod 0777; chown geology;chgrp guest /home2/sticky_yes chmod 1777; chown geology;chgrp guest in order to see if the sticky bit had anything to do with this. These are brand new directories, so no legacy .AppleDouble or .Parent files. I added them to /usr/local/etc/AppleVolumes.default, and sighuped inetd. They're being accessed under the general test account, which in this case is geology/guest (I don't allow the actual guest account). With sticky_no, I log in from the client, create a new directory (sticky-no-2), and copy in a file from the client desktop. No errors. I then dismounted the directory, remounted it, and launched the file (it's a gif opening in Photoshop). No errors. I then threw the file away, and got these errors: Apr 23 16:30:20 epidote afpd[25250]: setdirowner: chown 16777216/-1 .AppleDouble/.Parent: Operation not permitted Apr 23 16:30:20 epidote afpd[25250]: setdirowner: chown 16777216/-1 .AppleDouble: Operation not permitted Apr 23 16:30:20 epidote afpd[25250]: setdirowner: chown 16777216/-1 .: Operation not permitted Apr 23 16:30:20 epidote afpd[25250]: setdirowner: chown -1/0 .AppleDouble/.Parent: Operation not permitted Apr 23 16:30:20 epidote afpd[25250]: setdirowner: chown -1/0 .AppleDouble/.Parent: Operation not permitted I have not yet emptied the trash. epidote# pwd /home2/sticky_no ls -als 1 drwxrwxrwx 6 geology guest 512 Apr 23 16:30 . 1 drwxr-xr-x 8 root wheel 512 Apr 23 16:23 .. 1 drwxrwxrwx 3 geology guest 512 Apr 23 16:29 .AppleDesktop 1 drwxrwxrwx 2 geology guest 512 Apr 23 16:29 .AppleDouble 1 drwx--Srwx 4 geology guest 512 Apr 23 16:30 Network Trash Folder 1 drwxrwsrwx 3 geology guest 512 Apr 23 16:30 sticky-no-2 (note, I did not set the perms on Network Trash Folder, netatalk did, and I don't know why the stickybit is on sticky-no-2. It shouldn't be there. Hm...Didn't notice this until way late, right before I sent this message.) I'll do the same process with /home2/sticky_yes now. Exact same sequence, same errors, with sticky_yes epidote# pwd /home2/sticky_ye 1 drwxrwxrwt 5 geology guest 512 Apr 23 16:56 . 1 drwxr-xr-x 8 root wheel 512 Apr 23 16:23 .. 1 drwxrwxrwx 2 geology guest 512 Apr 23 16:56 .AppleDouble 1 drwx--Srwx 3 geology guest 512 Apr 23 16:56 Network Trash Folder 1 drwxrwsrwx 3 geology guest 512 Apr 23 16:52 sticky-yes-2 ------- I'll see if I can get errors without involking the Trashcan. I'm totally cleaning out /home2/sticky_yes and /home2/sticky_no. I mounted /home2/sticky_no, and created a new subdirectory, sticky-no-2. No errors. I opened up simpletext and created a simple text file. As soon as I tried to save it to sticky-no-2 (even before I hit 'save' but after going into the mounted subdirectroy in the save dialog) I got these errors: Apr 23 16:48:01 epidote afpd[13868]: setdirowner: chown 16777216/-1 .AppleDouble/.Parent: Operation not permitted Apr 23 16:48:01 epidote afpd[13868]: setdirowner: chown 16777216/-1 .AppleDouble: Operation not permitted Apr 23 16:48:01 epidote afpd[13868]: setdirowner: chown 16777216/-1 .: Operation not permitted Apr 23 16:48:01 epidote afpd[13868]: setdirowner: chown -1/0 .AppleDouble/.Parent: Operation not permitted Apr 23 16:48:01 epidote afpd[13868]: setdirowner: chown 16777216/-1 .AppleDouble/.Parent: Operation not permitted Apr 23 16:48:01 epidote afpd[13868]: setdirowner: chown 16777216/-1 .AppleDouble: Operation not permitted Apr 23 16:48:01 epidote afpd[13868]: setdirowner: chown 16777216/-1 .: Operation not permitted Apr 23 16:48:01 epidote afpd[13868]: setdirowner: chown -1/0 .AppleDouble/.Parent: Operation not permitted The exact same thing happens with Stick_yes. ---- So I left the test file, and unmounted sticky_yes. I remounted it, and got one instance of: Apr 23 16:54:11 epidote afpd[22793]: setdirowner: chown -1/0 .AppleDouble/.Parent: Operation not permitted And to make absolutely sure, the errors are occurring exactly when I choose the netatalk-volume in the save-as dialog. I checked again. --- Well, I don't know how useful that is, and as my roof is leaking at home, I'm off to battle the buckets. However, I am more than willing to test this ad nauseum for whomever wants to direct my tests, as I'm just shooting in the dark here, albeit carefully and methodically. If someone would like me to run specific tests, with specific Mac OS's or whathaveyou, I will. Cheers! -Karen * * Karen Swanberg | Network Admin. | Error: Sector not found-- Dept. of Geology/Geophysics |search behind couch? (Y/N) 206 Pillsbury Hall | 310 Pillsbury Ave. SE | University of Mn | Enter any 11-digit prime Minneapolis, MN 55455 | number to continue... (612) 624-6541 | * * From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Mon Apr 23 18:45:22 2001 Return-Path: Received: from kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.25]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id SAA03331 for ; Mon, 23 Apr 2001 18:45:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id SAA05945 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Mon, 23 Apr 2001 18:45:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id SAA05915 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Mon, 23 Apr 2001 18:45:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from potsdam.edu (potsdam.edu [137.143.110.101]) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with SMTP id SAA05853 for ; Mon, 23 Apr 2001 18:45:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 9445 invoked by alias); 23 Apr 2001 22:45:27 -0000 Received: (qmail 9431 invoked by uid 0); 23 Apr 2001 22:45:27 -0000 Received: from comp10574.potsdam.edu (137.143.111.133) by potsdam.edu with SMTP; 23 Apr 2001 22:45:27 -0000 Subject: Re: .AppleDouble tests on OpenBSD (long...) From: Matthew Keller To: Karen A Swanberg Cc: netatalk-admins@umich.edu In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain X-Mailer: Evolution/0.10+cvs.2001.04.11.08.00 (Preview Release) Date: 23 Apr 2001 18:45:16 -0400 Message-Id: <988065916.778.1.camel@comp10574.potsdam.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Good stuff here- Good luck with the buckets! On 23 Apr 2001 17:20:33 -0500, Karen A Swanberg wrote: > > Ok, I'm doing my best to run a thorough set of tests to figure out when > the .AppleDouble permissions tank on OpenBSD. > > First of all, I only ever get the errors on the server. From the client > side, the usage is seamless, Joe MacUser would never know there was a > problem. > > The client is a PowerMac G3, running OS 8.0. I also have access to the > same computer model with 8.1 and 8.6, if that will help, and I also have > blue G4's running 9.0.4. I choose this one because it was physically > closest, and I could see the console on the BSD machine. However, the > 9.0.4 machines have SSH, so I can log in and watch /var/log/messages from > there as well if necessary. > > For testing purposes, I created two new test directories: > > /home2/sticky_no chmod 0777; chown geology;chgrp guest > /home2/sticky_yes chmod 1777; chown geology;chgrp guest > > in order to see if the sticky bit had anything to do with this. These are > brand new directories, so no legacy .AppleDouble or .Parent files. > > I added them to /usr/local/etc/AppleVolumes.default, and sighuped inetd. > > They're being accessed under the general test account, which in this case > is geology/guest (I don't allow the actual guest account). > > With sticky_no, I log in from the client, create a new directory > (sticky-no-2), and copy in a file from the client desktop. No errors. I > then dismounted the directory, remounted it, and launched the file (it's a > gif opening in Photoshop). No errors. I then threw the file away, and got > these errors: > > > Apr 23 16:30:20 epidote afpd[25250]: setdirowner: chown 16777216/-1 > .AppleDouble/.Parent: Operation not permitted > Apr 23 16:30:20 epidote afpd[25250]: setdirowner: chown 16777216/-1 > .AppleDouble: Operation not permitted > Apr 23 16:30:20 epidote afpd[25250]: setdirowner: chown 16777216/-1 > .: Operation not permitted > Apr 23 16:30:20 epidote afpd[25250]: setdirowner: chown -1/0 > .AppleDouble/.Parent: Operation not permitted > Apr 23 16:30:20 epidote afpd[25250]: setdirowner: chown -1/0 > .AppleDouble/.Parent: Operation not permitted > > I have not yet emptied the trash. > > epidote# pwd > /home2/sticky_no > ls -als > 1 drwxrwxrwx 6 geology guest 512 Apr 23 16:30 . > 1 drwxr-xr-x 8 root wheel 512 Apr 23 16:23 .. > 1 drwxrwxrwx 3 geology guest 512 Apr 23 16:29 .AppleDesktop > 1 drwxrwxrwx 2 geology guest 512 Apr 23 16:29 .AppleDouble > 1 drwx--Srwx 4 geology guest 512 Apr 23 16:30 Network Trash Folder > 1 drwxrwsrwx 3 geology guest 512 Apr 23 16:30 sticky-no-2 > > (note, I did not set the perms on Network Trash Folder, netatalk did, and > I don't know why the stickybit is on sticky-no-2. It shouldn't be there. > Hm...Didn't notice this until way late, right before I sent this message.) > > I'll do the same process with /home2/sticky_yes now. > > Exact same sequence, same errors, with sticky_yes > > epidote# pwd > /home2/sticky_ye > > 1 drwxrwxrwt 5 geology guest 512 Apr 23 16:56 . > 1 drwxr-xr-x 8 root wheel 512 Apr 23 16:23 .. > 1 drwxrwxrwx 2 geology guest 512 Apr 23 16:56 .AppleDouble > 1 drwx--Srwx 3 geology guest 512 Apr 23 16:56 Network Trash Folder > 1 drwxrwsrwx 3 geology guest 512 Apr 23 16:52 sticky-yes-2 > > ------- > > I'll see if I can get errors without involking the Trashcan. > > I'm totally cleaning out /home2/sticky_yes and /home2/sticky_no. > > I mounted /home2/sticky_no, and created a new subdirectory, sticky-no-2. > No errors. I opened up simpletext and created a simple text file. As soon > as I tried to save it to sticky-no-2 (even before I hit 'save' but after > going into the mounted subdirectroy in the save dialog) I got these > errors: > > Apr 23 16:48:01 epidote afpd[13868]: setdirowner: chown 16777216/-1 > .AppleDouble/.Parent: Operation not permitted > Apr 23 16:48:01 epidote afpd[13868]: setdirowner: chown 16777216/-1 > .AppleDouble: Operation not permitted > Apr 23 16:48:01 epidote afpd[13868]: setdirowner: chown > 16777216/-1 .: Operation not permitted > Apr 23 16:48:01 epidote afpd[13868]: setdirowner: chown -1/0 > .AppleDouble/.Parent: Operation not permitted > Apr 23 16:48:01 epidote afpd[13868]: setdirowner: chown > 16777216/-1 .AppleDouble/.Parent: Operation not permitted > Apr 23 16:48:01 epidote afpd[13868]: setdirowner: chown 16777216/-1 > .AppleDouble: Operation not permitted > Apr 23 16:48:01 epidote afpd[13868]: setdirowner: chown 16777216/-1 > .: Operation not permitted > Apr 23 16:48:01 epidote afpd[13868]: setdirowner: chown -1/0 > .AppleDouble/.Parent: Operation not permitted > > > The exact same thing happens with Stick_yes. > > > ---- > > So I left the test file, and unmounted sticky_yes. I remounted it, and got > one instance of: > > Apr 23 16:54:11 epidote afpd[22793]: setdirowner: chown -1/0 > .AppleDouble/.Parent: Operation not permitted > > And to make absolutely sure, the errors are occurring exactly when I > choose the netatalk-volume in the save-as dialog. I checked again. > > --- > > Well, I don't know how useful that is, and as my roof is leaking at home, > I'm off to battle the buckets. However, I am more than willing to test > this ad nauseum for whomever wants to direct my tests, as I'm just > shooting in the dark here, albeit carefully and methodically. If someone > would like me to run specific tests, with specific Mac OS's or > whathaveyou, I will. > > Cheers! > > -Karen > > * * > Karen Swanberg | > Network Admin. | Error: Sector not found-- > Dept. of Geology/Geophysics |search behind couch? (Y/N) > 206 Pillsbury Hall | > 310 Pillsbury Ave. SE | > University of Mn | Enter any 11-digit prime > Minneapolis, MN 55455 | number to continue... > (612) 624-6541 | > * * > > > > -- Matthew Keller Enterprise System Analyst Computing & Technology Services Information Services Division State University of NY at Potsdam Potsdam, NY USA http://mattwork.potsdam.edu/ From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Mon Apr 23 19:23:10 2001 Return-Path: Received: from kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.25]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id TAA04139 for ; Mon, 23 Apr 2001 19:23:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id TAA29418 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Mon, 23 Apr 2001 19:23:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id TAA29393 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Mon, 23 Apr 2001 19:23:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from s1.uklinux.net (ns1.uklinux.net [212.1.130.11]) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id TAA29345 for ; Mon, 23 Apr 2001 19:23:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 212.1.136.163 (ppp-1-163.cvx1.telinco.net [212.1.136.163]) by s1.uklinux.net (8.11.2/8.11.1) with ESMTP id f3NNMjg32008; Tue, 24 Apr 2001 00:22:45 +0100 Envelope-To: netatalk-admins@umich.edu Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 00:13:56 +0100 From: Rory Campbell-Lange Subject: Re: "Password incorrect" problems To: Rob Lineweaver cc: Matthew Keller , netatalk-admins@umich.edu, Rory at work X-Priority: 3 In-Reply-To: <988050595.728.0.camel@twain> Message-ID: <20010424001822-r01010600-dc4bcc89@212.1.136.163> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; Charset=US-ASCII X-Mailer: Mailsmith 1.1.6 (Bluto) On 23/4/01, rbline@wm.edu (Rob Lineweaver) wrote: > I've had success with 1.5pre6 compiled from source on Debian/m68k > unstable. Configured with: > > ../configure --prefix=/usr/local --with-config-dir=/etc/atalk > --with-uams-path=/etc/atalk/uams --with-msg-dir=/etc/atalk/msg > --enable-lastdid --with-pam --with-shadow --with-tcp-wrappers > --with-ssl > > I'm not sure if the --with-shadow is necessary or not but it might be > something to try (it's probably in the .deb anyway, but I've never used > the deb). I would recommend compiling from source with the above (or > similar) configuration to see if that fixes it. > > Also, I'm wondering why the original poster was only allowing cleartext > logins. Is there some reason you actively don't want uams_dhx.so? > > Which appleshare client(s) are you using? I've tried OS 9, 9.0.4 and 9.1 clients. No go. I'll try compiling myself tomorrow; thanks for the really useful configure line. Cheers. Rory -- Rory Campbell-Lange The Campbell-Lange Workshop London From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Tue Apr 24 04:43:52 2001 Return-Path: Received: from kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.25]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id EAA17430 for ; Tue, 24 Apr 2001 04:43:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id EAA09783 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Tue, 24 Apr 2001 04:43:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id EAA09757 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Tue, 24 Apr 2001 04:43:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.mathit.co.jp (dns.mathit.co.jp [211.124.215.50]) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id EAA09685 for ; Tue, 24 Apr 2001 04:43:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [192.168.1.102] (mt266.mathit.co.jp [192.168.1.102]) by mail.mathit.co.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3865E9E for ; Tue, 24 Apr 2001 17:43:48 +0900 (JST) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: hitoshi@192.168.1.10 X-Mailer: Macintosh Eudora Version 4.3.2-J Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 17:43:47 +0900 To: netatalk-admins@umich.edu From: MATSUDA Hitoshi Subject: "uam: uam not found" error Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hello, I installed 1.5pre6 into RedHat Linux 6.2. I copied configuration files into /etc/atalk because, "make install" did not make them. Also, I copied uam modules into /etc/atalk/uams manually. pam files copied into /etc/pam.d. When startup, afpd says following messages. Apr 24 17:28:07 ld-s afpd[1256]: uam: uam not found (status=-1) Could you show me what is problem. Thank you, MATSUDA Hitoshi From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Tue Apr 24 09:03:33 2001 Return-Path: Received: from kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.25]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id JAA23118 for ; Tue, 24 Apr 2001 09:03:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id JAA29624 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Tue, 24 Apr 2001 09:03:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id JAA29600 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Tue, 24 Apr 2001 09:03:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from univrel.pr.uconn.edu (univrel.pr.uconn.edu [137.99.59.30]) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id JAA29561 for ; Tue, 24 Apr 2001 09:03:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from univrel.pr.uconn.edu (test.pr.uconn.edu [137.99.59.90]) by univrel.pr.uconn.edu (8.11.2/linuxconf) with ESMTP id f3OD3Hn30058; Tue, 24 Apr 2001 09:03:17 -0400 Sender: root@univrel.pr.uconn.edu Message-ID: <3AE57989.34FEB61@univrel.pr.uconn.edu> Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 09:03:05 -0400 From: jeff X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.17-21mdksmp i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: MATSUDA Hitoshi CC: netatalk-admins@umich.edu Subject: Re: "uam: uam not found" error References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit MATSUDA Hitoshi wrote: > I installed 1.5pre6 into RedHat Linux 6.2. > I copied configuration files into /etc/atalk because, "make install" > did not make them. Also, I copied uam modules into /etc/atalk/uams > manually. pam files copied into /etc/pam.d. > > When startup, afpd says following messages. > > Apr 24 17:28:07 ld-s afpd[1256]: uam: uam not found (status=-1) > > Could you show me what is problem. What do your /etc/atalk/netatalk.conf and /etc/atalk/afpd.conf files look like? (Also, I believe that the RPM is built for Redhat 7, which may be causing some of your problems.) jeff From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Tue Apr 24 13:11:02 2001 Return-Path: Received: from funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.27]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id NAA00674 for ; Tue, 24 Apr 2001 13:11:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id NAA23491 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Tue, 24 Apr 2001 13:10:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id NAA23473 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Tue, 24 Apr 2001 13:10:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.id-inc.com ([208.186.174.81]) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id NAA23426 for ; Tue, 24 Apr 2001 13:10:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [192.168.94.68] (192.168.94.68) by mail.id-inc.com with ESMTP (Eudora Internet Mail Server 3.0) for ; Tue, 24 Apr 2001 10:11:09 -0700 User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 10:11:11 -0700 Subject: Macromedia write problem From: charlie wood To: Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Hi folks. Just found this list. Great info! Thanks to all the contributors! Has anyone run across a creator code problem (and a resulting Error -50, and write failure) when writing Macromedia Director and Flash projector files (not the native .swf and .dir files) from Mac (PPC G4 w/ OS 9.0.4) to a Linux server (Red Hat 6.2 running 1.4b2+asun2.1.1)? I'm about to move this whole operation from Linux to FreeBSD 4.2, and I'd like to get this squared away before I port the whole shop over. Any ideas anyone? Thanks in advance From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Tue Apr 24 14:07:56 2001 Return-Path: Received: from kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.25]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id OAA03085 for ; Tue, 24 Apr 2001 14:07:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id OAA13136 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Tue, 24 Apr 2001 14:07:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id OAA13126 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Tue, 24 Apr 2001 14:07:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from local (customer-host-145.yellowspace.net [213.183.5.145]) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with SMTP id OAA13091 for ; Tue, 24 Apr 2001 14:07:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [213.183.5.146] ([213.183.5.146] verified) by local (Stalker SMTP Server 1.7) with ESMTP id S.0000067535; Tue, 24 Apr 2001 20:02:57 +0200 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: lopez.on.the.lists@mail.yellowspace.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3AE49670.9807B636@univrel.pr.uconn.edu> References: <988058148.4234.30.camel@comp10574.potsdam.edu> <3AE49670.9807B636@univrel.pr.uconn.edu> Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 20:04:32 +0200 To: netatalk-admins@umich.edu From: Lorenzo Perone Subject: Re: netatalk-devel package Cc: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 16:54 Uhr -0400 23.04.2001, jeff wrote: >Matthew Keller wrote: >> > > On 23 Apr 2001 22:07:47 +0200, Lorenzo Perone wrote: >> > could someone make a point on how crucial it is (or necessary) to use the >> > appropriate netatalk-devel package alongside to netatalk when >> > compiling a new version? This is something fairly undocumented... >> >> I actually, never even noticed the -devel packages, and don't know >> what they do. I strongly recommend compiling from source - I have to >> stress that. The new autoconf system makes it extremely easy >> (./configure --help for a list of options) and will increase your >> stability, while decreasing the number of "it's because you >> installed from a package" problems. And when you DO have problems, >> it's much easier to troubleshoot. No offense intended to the >> packagers - They do a good/necessary job. > >Thanks. The devel package is for people who are creating libatalk-based >applications. It's pretty useless for everyone else, though. Thanx, that's all I wanted to know - I'm actually always starting from source... but didn't know if and what to do with the devel-stuff.... :-) Lorenzo From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Tue Apr 24 14:22:51 2001 Return-Path: Received: from kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.25]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id OAA03640 for ; Tue, 24 Apr 2001 14:22:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id OAA06423 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Tue, 24 Apr 2001 14:22:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id OAA06398 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Tue, 24 Apr 2001 14:22:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from local (customer-host-145.yellowspace.net [213.183.5.145]) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with SMTP id OAA06349 for ; Tue, 24 Apr 2001 14:22:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [213.183.5.146] ([213.183.5.146] verified) by local (Stalker SMTP Server 1.7) with ESMTP id S.0000067543 for ; Tue, 24 Apr 2001 20:17:51 +0200 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: lopez.on.the.lists@mail.yellowspace.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <988032761.4235.8.camel@comp10574.potsdam.edu> References: <988032761.4235.8.camel@comp10574.potsdam.edu> Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 20:19:22 +0200 To: netatalk-admins@umich.edu From: Lorenzo Perone Subject: Re: Inappropriate ioctl ? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 9:32 Uhr -0400 23.04.2001, Matthew Keller wrote: > Generally, when this error shows in the logs, the .AppleDouble (or a > file within it) is set to all nothing. Thus, even the owner can't > change its permissions. If you're positive that the perms are right > (and positive you don't have any legacy Netatalk binaries running > around), and still getting this error- That's pretty odd, and I'm at > a loss for diagnostics. > > Anyone else got ideas? Hi, sorry, maybe this is a stupid note, but nobody ever mentioned umask: could the described problems be related somehow to the users' umasks? Are any .profile files executed by afpd after login? Or is there a setting for umasks? Or does afpd use umask somewhere at the beginning? Or any suggestion on that? I mean why should a file be created with no rights with a umask, say, of 117...... (there's a lot I don't know, I know....)? ;-) Lorenzo >On 23 Apr 2001 09:39:56 +0100, Ian Hitchman wrote: >> Thanks for the response but I am a little confused as to the .AppleDouble >> permission settings and how I should change them. All permissions appear >> to be fine as I 'chmod -R 755 home1' the top directory containing all my >> users and 'chgrp -R staff home1' similarly. All users own there own >> directories chown -R auser auser. >> >> Ian. >> >> >> On 20 Apr 2001, Matthew Keller wrote: >> >> > >> > Cool, thanks. Anyone else having this problem with 1.5pre6? I have >> > numerous installs of it now (always compiled from source) and >> > haven't seen this one rear its ugly head since pre5. >> > >> > The problem is that the premissions in .AppleDouble are set wrong. >> > This may be a legacy problem and setting them manually once will fix >> > them (for that folder). Subsequent operations should be ok. >> > >> > On 20 Apr 2001 17:14:41 +0100, Ian Hitchman wrote: >> > > I had netatalk-1.4b2+asun2.1.4-0.i386.rpm running previously. I removed >> > > this with rpm -e netatalk-1.4b2+asun2.1.4-0 --allmatches >> > > and checked /etc/services for the removal of ddp entries as well removing >> > > /etc/atalk rpm.config? or file of similar name. >> > > After that I simply rpm -i --test netatalk-1.5pre6-1rh7.i386.rpm with >> > > no errors and installed it. I suspect I have not read some documentation >> > > but as to what I do not know. >> > >> > >> > -- >> > >> > Matthew Keller >> > Enterprise System Analyst >> > Computing & Technology Services >> > Information Services Division >> > State University of NY at Potsdam >> > Potsdam, NY USA >> > >> > http://mattwork.potsdam.edu/ >> > >> > >> >> > >-- > >Matthew Keller >Enterprise System Analyst >Computing & Technology Services >Information Services Division >State University of NY at Potsdam >Potsdam, NY USA > >http://mattwork.potsdam.edu/ From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Tue Apr 24 15:02:42 2001 Return-Path: Received: from kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.25]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id PAA04747 for ; Tue, 24 Apr 2001 15:02:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id PAA09690 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Tue, 24 Apr 2001 15:02:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id PAA09660 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Tue, 24 Apr 2001 15:02:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from univrel.pr.uconn.edu (univrel.pr.uconn.edu [137.99.59.30]) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id PAA09551 for ; Tue, 24 Apr 2001 15:02:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from univrel.pr.uconn.edu (test.pr.uconn.edu [137.99.59.90]) by univrel.pr.uconn.edu (8.11.2/linuxconf) with ESMTP id f3OJ2Zn01609; Tue, 24 Apr 2001 15:02:35 -0400 Sender: root@univrel.pr.uconn.edu Message-ID: <3AE5CDBF.701FC3FA@univrel.pr.uconn.edu> Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 15:02:23 -0400 From: jeff X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.17-21mdksmp i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: charlie wood CC: netatalk-admins@umich.edu Subject: Re: Macromedia write problem References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit charlie wood wrote: > > Hi folks. Just found this list. Great info! Thanks to all the contributors! > > Has anyone run across a creator code problem (and a resulting Error -50, and > write failure) when writing Macromedia Director and Flash projector files > (not the native .swf and .dir files) from Mac (PPC G4 w/ OS 9.0.4) to a > Linux server (Red Hat 6.2 running 1.4b2+asun2.1.1)? > > I'm about to move this whole operation from Linux to FreeBSD 4.2, and I'd > like to get this squared away before I port the whole shop over. > > Any ideas anyone? Try a newer version of netatalk. 1.4b2+asun2.1.1 is pretty ancient. The latest stable version is 1.5pre6, at http://netatalk.sourceforge.net/ Thanks, jeff From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Tue Apr 24 19:06:25 2001 Return-Path: Received: from kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.25]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id TAA16492 for ; Tue, 24 Apr 2001 19:06:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id TAA17916 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Tue, 24 Apr 2001 19:06:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id TAA17890 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Tue, 24 Apr 2001 19:06:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from howl.lonewolf.com (howl.lonewolf.com [206.181.95.161]) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id TAA17854 for ; Tue, 24 Apr 2001 19:06:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from howl.lonewolf.com (dvk@localhost.lonewolf.com [127.0.0.1]) by howl.lonewolf.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id f3ON6Lk01180 for ; Tue, 24 Apr 2001 19:06:21 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200104242306.f3ON6Lk01180@howl.lonewolf.com> To: netatalk-admins@umich.edu Subject: Bug in build 1.5pre6 on 4.2 BSDI Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 19:06:21 -0400 From: Daniel V Klein I tried to build on BSDI 4.2, and it never made it past the first Makefile. Here's what I got, the error is at the very end. Any clues? The relevant makefile is attached. netatalk-1.5pre6 % ./configure loading cache ./config.cache checking host system type... i386-pc-bsdi4.2 checking target system type... i386-pc-bsdi4.2 checking for a BSD compatible install... (cached) /usr/bin/install -c checking whether build environment is sane... yes checking whether make sets ${MAKE}... (cached) yes checking for working aclocal... missing checking for working autoconf... missing checking for working automake... missing checking for working autoheader... missing checking for working makeinfo... found checking for ranlib... (cached) ranlib checking for gcc... (cached) gcc checking whether the C compiler (gcc ) works... yes checking whether the C compiler (gcc ) is a cross-compiler... no checking whether we are using GNU C... (cached) yes checking whether gcc accepts -g... (cached) yes checking for ld used by GCC... (cached) /usr/bin/ld checking if the linker (/usr/bin/ld) is GNU ld... (cached) yes checking for BSD-compatible nm... (cached) /usr/bin/nm -p checking whether ln -s works... (cached) yes updating cache ./config.cache checking for object suffix... o checking for executable suffix... no checking for gcc option to produce PIC... -fPIC checking if gcc PIC flag -fPIC works... yes checking if gcc supports -c -o file.o... yes checking if gcc supports -c -o file.lo... yes checking if gcc supports -fno-rtti -fno-exceptions ... yes checking if gcc static flag -static works... -static checking if the linker (/usr/bin/ld) is GNU ld... yes checking whether the linker (/usr/bin/ld) supports shared libraries... yes checking command to parse /usr/bin/nm -p output... ok checking how to hardcode library paths into programs... immediate checking for /usr/bin/ld option to reload object files... -r checking dynamic linker characteristics... bsdi4.2 ld.so checking if libtool supports shared libraries... yes *** Warning: the command libtool uses to detect shared libraries, *** /usr/bin/file, produces output that libtool cannot recognize. *** The result is that libtool may fail to recognize shared libraries *** as such. This will affect the creation of libtool libraries that *** depend on shared libraries, but programs linked with such libtool *** libraries will work regardless of this problem. Nevertheless, you *** may want to report the problem to your system manager and/or to *** bug-libtool@gnu.org checking whether to build shared libraries... yes checking whether to build static libraries... yes checking for objdir... .libs creating libtool loading cache ./config.cache checking for gawk... (cached) gawk checking for gcc... (cached) gcc checking whether the C compiler (gcc -g -O2 ) works... yes checking whether the C compiler (gcc -g -O2 ) is a cross-compiler... no checking whether we are using GNU C... (cached) yes checking whether gcc accepts -g... (cached) yes checking for a BSD compatible install... /usr/bin/install -c checking whether ln -s works... (cached) yes checking whether make sets ${MAKE}... (cached) yes checking for object suffix... o checking for executable suffix... no checking for gcc option to produce PIC... -fPIC checking if gcc PIC flag -fPIC works... yes checking if gcc supports -c -o file.o... yes checking if gcc supports -c -o file.lo... yes checking if gcc supports -fno-rtti -fno-exceptions ... yes checking if gcc static flag -static works... -static checking if the linker (/usr/bin/ld) is GNU ld... yes checking whether the linker (/usr/bin/ld) supports shared libraries... yes checking command to parse /usr/bin/nm -p output... ok checking how to hardcode library paths into programs... immediate checking for /usr/bin/ld option to reload object files... -r checking dynamic linker characteristics... bsdi4.2 ld.so checking if libtool supports shared libraries... yes *** Warning: the command libtool uses to detect shared libraries, *** /usr/bin/file, produces output that libtool cannot recognize. *** The result is that libtool may fail to recognize shared libraries *** as such. This will affect the creation of libtool libraries that *** depend on shared libraries, but programs linked with such libtool *** libraries will work regardless of this problem. Nevertheless, you *** may want to report the problem to your system manager and/or to *** bug-libtool@gnu.org checking whether to build shared libraries... yes checking whether to build static libraries... yes checking for objdir... .libs creating libtool loading cache ./config.cache checking for main in -labs... (cached) no checking for main in -laudit... (cached) no checking for main in -lauth... (cached) no checking for main in -lcmd... (cached) no checking for main in -lcom_err... (cached) no checking for main in -lcrypt... (cached) no checking for main in -ld... (cached) no checking for main in -ldb... (cached) no checking for main in -ldl... (cached) yes checking for main in -lkauth... (cached) no checking for main in -lkrb... (cached) yes checking for main in -llwp... (cached) no checking for main in -ln... (cached) no checking for main in -lnsl... (cached) no checking for main in -lprot... (cached) no checking for main in -lresolv... (cached) no checking for main in -lrpcsvc... (cached) yes checking for main in -lrx... (cached) no checking for main in -lrxkad... (cached) no checking for main in -lsocket... (cached) no checking for main in -lsys... (cached) no checking for main in -lubik... (cached) no checking for access... (cached) yes checking for dirent.h that defines DIR... (cached) yes checking for opendir in -ldir... (cached) no checking how to run the C preprocessor... (cached) gcc -E checking for ANSI C header files... (cached) yes checking for sys/wait.h that is POSIX.1 compatible... (cached) yes checking for fcntl.h... (cached) yes checking for limits.h... (cached) yes checking for stdint.h... (cached) no checking for strings.h... (cached) yes checking for sys/fcntl.h... (cached) yes checking for sys/file.h... (cached) yes checking for sys/ioctl.h... (cached) yes checking for sys/time.h... (cached) yes checking for syslog.h... (cached) yes checking for unistd.h... (cached) yes checking for termios.h... (cached) yes checking for sys/termios.h... (cached) yes checking for netdb.h... (cached) yes checking for sgtty.h... (cached) yes checking for sys/cdefs.h... (cached) yes checking for working const... (cached) yes checking for uid_t in sys/types.h... (cached) yes checking for inline... (cached) inline checking for mode_t... (cached) yes checking for off_t... (cached) yes checking for pid_t... (cached) yes checking for size_t... (cached) yes checking for st_rdev in struct stat... (cached) yes checking whether time.h and sys/time.h may both be included... (cached) yes checking whether struct tm is in sys/time.h or time.h... (cached) time.h checking type of array argument to getgroups... (cached) gid_t checking whether gcc needs -traditional... (cached) no checking for 8-bit clean memcmp... (cached) yes checking whether sys/types.h defines makedev... (cached) yes checking for unistd.h... (cached) yes checking for getpagesize... (cached) yes checking for working mmap... (cached) yes checking return type of signal handlers... (cached) void checking whether utime accepts a null argument... (cached) yes checking for wait3 that fills in rusage... (cached) yes checking for getcwd... (cached) yes checking for gethostname... (cached) yes checking for gettimeofday... (cached) yes checking for getusershell... (cached) yes checking for mkdir... (cached) yes checking for rmdir... (cached) yes checking for select... (cached) yes checking for socket... (cached) yes checking for strdup... (cached) yes checking for strstr... (cached) yes checking for strtoul... (cached) yes checking for setpgrp... (cached) yes checking whether setpgrp takes no argument... (cached) no checking for pam_start in -lpam... (cached) no setting configuration files location to NONE/etc ./configure: AUTHORS: permission denied creating ./config.status creating Makefile creating bin/Makefile creating bin/adv1tov2/Makefile creating bin/aecho/Makefile creating bin/afile/Makefile creating bin/afppasswd/Makefile creating bin/getzones/Makefile creating bin/megatron/Makefile creating bin/nbp/Makefile creating bin/pap/Makefile creating bin/psorder/Makefile creating config/Makefile creating contrib/Makefile creating contrib/nu/Makefile creating contrib/printing/Makefile creating contrib/shell_utils/Makefile creating contrib/timelord/Makefile creating distrib/Makefile creating distrib/config/Makefile creating distrib/config/netatalk-config creating distrib/initscripts/Makefile creating distrib/m4/Makefile creating doc/Makefile creating etc/Makefile creating etc/afpd/Makefile creating etc/afpd/nls/Makefile creating etc/atalkd/Makefile creating etc/uams/Makefile creating etc/uams/uams_krb4/Makefile creating etc/papd/Makefile creating etc/psf/Makefile creating include/Makefile creating include/atalk/Makefile creating libatalk/Makefile creating libatalk/adouble/Makefile creating libatalk/asp/Makefile creating libatalk/atp/Makefile creating libatalk/compat/Makefile creating libatalk/dsi/Makefile creating libatalk/nbp/Makefile creating libatalk/netddp/Makefile creating libatalk/util/Makefile creating man/Makefile creating man/man1/Makefile creating man/man3/Makefile creating man/man4/Makefile creating man/man5/Makefile creating man/man8/Makefile creating sys/Makefile creating sys/netatalk/Makefile creating config.h config.h is unchanged netatalk-1.5pre6 % make make all-recursive Making all in libatalk "Makefile", line 317: Need an operator Fatal errors encountered -- cannot continue *** Error code 1 Stop. *** Error code 1 Stop. From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Tue Apr 24 19:40:04 2001 Return-Path: Received: from easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.26]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id TAA17285 for ; Tue, 24 Apr 2001 19:40:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id TAA03708 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Tue, 24 Apr 2001 19:40:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id TAA03694 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Tue, 24 Apr 2001 19:40:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.id-inc.com ([208.186.174.81]) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id TAA03678 for ; Tue, 24 Apr 2001 19:40:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [192.168.94.68] (192.168.94.68) by mail.id-inc.com with ESMTP (Eudora Internet Mail Server 3.0); Tue, 24 Apr 2001 16:40:13 -0700 User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 16:40:14 -0700 Subject: Re: Macromedia write problem From: charlie wood To: jeff CC: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <3AE5CDBF.701FC3FA@univrel.pr.uconn.edu> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit I've had problems building 1.5pre6 in FreeBSD 4.2. Anyone else have any ideas? Anyone actually had this problem? -------original message------- > From: jeff > Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 15:02:23 -0400 > To: charlie wood > Cc: netatalk-admins@umich.edu > Subject: Re: Macromedia write problem > > charlie wood wrote: >> >> Hi folks. Just found this list. Great info! Thanks to all the contributors! >> >> Has anyone run across a creator code problem (and a resulting Error -50, and >> write failure) when writing Macromedia Director and Flash projector files >> (not the native .swf and .dir files) from Mac (PPC G4 w/ OS 9.0.4) to a >> Linux server (Red Hat 6.2 running 1.4b2+asun2.1.1)? >> >> I'm about to move this whole operation from Linux to FreeBSD 4.2, and I'd >> like to get this squared away before I port the whole shop over. >> >> Any ideas anyone? > > Try a newer version of netatalk. 1.4b2+asun2.1.1 is pretty ancient. The > latest stable version is 1.5pre6, at http://netatalk.sourceforge.net/ > > Thanks, > jeff From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Tue Apr 24 19:56:43 2001 Return-Path: Received: from funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.27]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id TAA17641 for ; Tue, 24 Apr 2001 19:56:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id TAA16483 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Tue, 24 Apr 2001 19:56:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id TAA16460 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Tue, 24 Apr 2001 19:56:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from potsdam.edu (potsdam.edu [137.143.110.101]) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with SMTP id TAA16432 for ; Tue, 24 Apr 2001 19:56:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 14520 invoked by alias); 24 Apr 2001 23:56:44 -0000 Received: (qmail 14508 invoked by uid 0); 24 Apr 2001 23:56:44 -0000 Received: from comp10574.potsdam.edu (137.143.111.133) by potsdam.edu with SMTP; 24 Apr 2001 23:56:44 -0000 Subject: Re: Macromedia write problem From: Matthew Keller To: charlie wood Cc: netatalk-admins@umich.edu In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain X-Mailer: Evolution/0.10+cvs.2001.04.11.08.00 (Preview Release) Date: 24 Apr 2001 19:56:35 -0400 Message-Id: <988156595.15273.1.camel@comp10574.potsdam.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 On 24 Apr 2001 10:11:11 -0700, charlie wood wrote: > Red Hat 6.2 running 1.4b2+asun2.1.1)? Upgrade Netatalk. If you want to stay w/in the 1.4B2 tree, then 1.4B2+asun2.1.4 (2.1.3 at the least) is recommened. > I'm about to move this whole operation from Linux to FreeBSD 4.2 I don't know whether to say "I'm sorry" or "best of luck"... ;) -- Matthew Keller Enterprise System Analyst Computing & Technology Services Information Services Division State University of NY at Potsdam Potsdam, NY USA http://mattwork.potsdam.edu/ From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Tue Apr 24 21:03:51 2001 Return-Path: Received: from kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.25]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id VAA20805 for ; Tue, 24 Apr 2001 21:03:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id VAA22831 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Tue, 24 Apr 2001 21:03:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id VAA22815 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Tue, 24 Apr 2001 21:03:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.mathit.co.jp (dns.mathit.co.jp [211.124.215.50]) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id VAA22764 for ; Tue, 24 Apr 2001 21:03:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [192.168.1.102] (mt266.mathit.co.jp [192.168.1.102]) by mail.mathit.co.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id CBB049E for ; Wed, 25 Apr 2001 10:03:47 +0900 (JST) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: hitoshi@192.168.1.10 X-Mailer: Macintosh Eudora Version 4.3.2-J Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3AE57989.34FEB61@univrel.pr.uconn.edu> References: <3AE57989.34FEB61@univrel.pr.uconn.edu> Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 10:03:46 +0900 To: netatalk-admins@umich.edu From: MATSUDA Hitoshi Subject: Re: "uam: uam not found" error Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hello, I found its solution from previous thread. I configured with --with-config-dir=/usr/local/etc/atalk. Then everything was fine. Thank you. MATSUDA Hitoshi At 9:03 AM -0400 01.4.24, jeff wrote: >MATSUDA Hitoshi wrote: >> I installed 1.5pre6 into RedHat Linux 6.2. >> I copied configuration files into /etc/atalk because, "make install" >> did not make them. Also, I copied uam modules into /etc/atalk/uams >> manually. pam files copied into /etc/pam.d. >> >> When startup, afpd says following messages. >> >> Apr 24 17:28:07 ld-s afpd[1256]: uam: uam not found (status=-1) >> >> Could you show me what is problem. > >What do your /etc/atalk/netatalk.conf and /etc/atalk/afpd.conf files >look like? > >(Also, I believe that the RPM is built for Redhat 7, which may be >causing some of your problems.) > >jeff From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Tue Apr 24 22:53:05 2001 Return-Path: Received: from funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.27]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id WAA23675 for ; Tue, 24 Apr 2001 22:53:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id WAA04426 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Tue, 24 Apr 2001 22:52:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id WAA04413 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Tue, 24 Apr 2001 22:52:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from local (customer-host-145.yellowspace.net [213.183.5.145]) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with SMTP id WAA04360 for ; Tue, 24 Apr 2001 22:52:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [213.183.5.146] ([213.183.5.146] verified) by local (Stalker SMTP Server 1.7) with ESMTP id S.0000067601 for ; Wed, 25 Apr 2001 04:48:06 +0200 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: lopez.on.the.lists@mail.yellowspace.net (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <987369845.13953.1.camel@comp10574.potsdam.edu> References: <987369845.13953.1.camel@comp10574.potsdam.edu> Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 04:49:19 +0200 To: Netatalk-Admins@umich.edu From: Lorenzo Perone Subject: netatalk 1.5p6, OS X 10.0.1, OS 9... Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hi, I succesfully got netatalk 1.5pre6 to work with my SuSE 6.3 box, thanks to MacConin for the /etc/pam.d/netatalk trick on SuSE, and to ./configure --with-pam --with-shadow --enable-suse --with-flock-locks --with-config-dir=/etc/atalk. To work, I mean it _looks like_ the best version _working fine_ with OS 9 until now. -[In our case, _fine_ means: fair speed in transfers of thousands of small files and dirs; opening/saving big image files on the server; opening/saving text files; succesful use of GoLive's site features (a hard test, I know...;); use of FileMaker files; with a lower priority, but still important: succesful launching of applications from the server; succesful mounting and use of images (.smis and .imgs and .dimgs). The first are the tests that I usually perform after a new build. Apps and Images follow if the first pass. When I want to be really evil, I also try to open MS Office files on the server ;)]- 1.5p6 passed all tests with OS 9 (still testing for reliability and with more clients, though)... but OSX is still cut out of the sourceforge tree... or did anyone get it to work any 1.5pX reliably? After compiling different versions on different platforms, it came out, in my cases, that: only netatalk 1.4b2+asun2.1.4pre37_test (with -DUSE-FLOCK-LOCKS) gives the impression to work with OSX (few errors, succesful transfers...), but then causes sooner or later Darwin to panic. On the other hand, my OS9 clients keep freezing and caughing with the asun builds.... all sourceforge netatalk versions I tried (and some newer asun builds) rarely caused Darwin to panic, login was possible (some _only_ thanks to the trick of using -loginmesg "something" in afpd.conf), but then they caused OSX to display a lot of Error -43's, sometimes -50, and one time 8021. netatalk 1.5pre6 behaves the same with OSX (-43s), except that with --enable-lastdid did files where transferred partially (even if the error message was displayed in the osx finder). and 1.5pre6 still causes the afpd[xxx]: setdirowner: chown -1/0 .AppleDouble/.Parent: Operation not permitted messages noticed recently... (when used with _OS 9_ - I couldn't get it to happen with an OSX client) One strange thing of these messages: they seem to assume that afpd is running as root, as noticed by M.K. - I've seen this happening only with netatalk1.5pre3 on LinuxPPC 2000 Q4: All afpd processes were running as root, but the users still got their correct access rights to the share folders (note: no admingroup, plain users). I also noticed that that was the only combination of Linux+NetAtalk which transfered very fast also directories with thousands of files and subdirs: > 5MB/sec on a PMac G3 DT/266, while others don't get over 1-2-3 MB/s. Where can this (root/nonroot) be set? Is it set by --enable-redhat (which I used for LPPC)? ...hope this post helps... please keep it going, you're doing a good work on the sourceforge project, I believe - but pleeeease let us netatalkers enjoy OSX soon ... ;) :-| LP From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Tue Apr 24 23:55:05 2001 Return-Path: Received: from funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.27]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id XAA26134 for ; Tue, 24 Apr 2001 23:55:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id XAA00885 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Tue, 24 Apr 2001 23:54:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id XAA00874 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Tue, 24 Apr 2001 23:54:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smart.visp-europe.psi.com (smart.visp-europe.psi.com [212.222.105.5]) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id XAA00844 for ; Tue, 24 Apr 2001 23:54:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ns11-n67-112.de.inter.net ([213.73.67.112] helo=athlet.deltaman.de) by smart.visp-europe.psi.com with esmtp (Exim 3.22 #1) id 14sGOM-0004VO-00 for netatalk-admins@umich.edu; Wed, 25 Apr 2001 05:55:02 +0200 Received: from athlet (root@athlet.deltaman.de [192.168.1.1]) by athlet.deltaman.de (8.9.3/8.9.3/SuSE Linux 8.9.3-0.1) with SMTP id FAA28955 for ; Wed, 25 Apr 2001 05:50:09 +0200 From: Carsten Neumann Reply-To: deltor@snafu.de To: netatalk-admins@umich.edu Subject: Re: Bug in build 1.5pre6 on 4.2 BSDI Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 05:42:00 +0200 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.0.28] Content-Type: text/plain References: <200104242306.f3ON6Lk01180@howl.lonewolf.com> In-Reply-To: <200104242306.f3ON6Lk01180@howl.lonewolf.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <01042505500900.26852@athlet> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu id XAA26134 On Wed, 25 Apr 2001, Daniel V Klein wrote: > I tried to build on BSDI 4.2, and it never made it past the first Makefile. > Here's what I got, the error is at the very end. Any clues? The relevant > makefile is attached. Where was it attached? :-) > netatalk-1.5pre6 % make > make all-recursive > Making all in libatalk > "Makefile", line 317: Need an operator > Fatal errors encountered -- cannot continue > *** Error code 1 > > Stop. > *** Error code 1 > > Stop. What "make" do you use? What I heard is that netatalk definitely needs GNU Make! Try to get a recent version! You probably want to update your libtool, too!? Kind regards Carsten From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Wed Apr 25 01:29:39 2001 Return-Path: Received: from funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.27]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id BAA28429 for ; Wed, 25 Apr 2001 01:29:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id BAA09471 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Wed, 25 Apr 2001 01:29:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id BAA09451 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Wed, 25 Apr 2001 01:29:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from titan.ols.com (titan.ols.com [207.112.223.10]) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id BAA09432 for ; Wed, 25 Apr 2001 01:29:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.ols.com (metro1-d32.ols.com [207.112.223.102]) by titan.ols.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id AAA94389 for ; Wed, 25 Apr 2001 00:27:44 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from bsewell@ols.com) Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 00:28:49 -0500 From: Brandon Sewell To: netatalk-admins@umich.edu Subject: unsubscribe Message-ID: <20010425002849.A12561@bess> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Mailer: Balsa 1.0.0 Lines: 1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu id BAA28429 From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Wed Apr 25 06:33:55 2001 Return-Path: Received: from funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.27]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id GAA05800 for ; Wed, 25 Apr 2001 06:33:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id GAA04637 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Wed, 25 Apr 2001 06:33:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id GAA04629 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Wed, 25 Apr 2001 06:33:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vulcan.borgspace.alpha ([213.97.106.73]) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id GAA04607 for ; Wed, 25 Apr 2001 06:33:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (tangy.borgspace.alpha [10.0.0.3]) by vulcan.borgspace.alpha (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id f3PATFZ51154; Wed, 25 Apr 2001 12:29:16 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from jasonq@mac.com) Message-Id: <200104251029.f3PATFZ51154@vulcan.borgspace.alpha> Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 12:33:38 +0200 From: Jason Quigley Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Macromedia write problem Cc: jeff , To: charlie wood X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.387) In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v387) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit What problems are you getting? On Wednesday, April 25, 2001, at 01:40 am, charlie wood wrote: > I've had problems building 1.5pre6 in FreeBSD 4.2. > Anyone else have any ideas? Anyone actually had this problem? > > > From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Wed Apr 25 06:37:38 2001 Return-Path: Received: from kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.25]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id GAA05865 for ; Wed, 25 Apr 2001 06:37:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id GAA20952 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Wed, 25 Apr 2001 06:37:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id GAA20935 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Wed, 25 Apr 2001 06:37:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vulcan.borgspace.alpha ([213.97.106.73]) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id GAA20890 for ; Wed, 25 Apr 2001 06:37:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (tangy.borgspace.alpha [10.0.0.3]) by vulcan.borgspace.alpha (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id f3PAXCZ51171 for ; Wed, 25 Apr 2001 12:33:12 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from jasonq@mac.com) Message-Id: <200104251033.f3PAXCZ51171@vulcan.borgspace.alpha> Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 12:37:34 +0200 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.387) From: Jason Quigley To: netatalk-admins@umich.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v387) In-Reply-To: <01042505500900.26852@athlet> Subject: Re: Bug in build 1.5pre6 on 4.2 BSDI Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi! You *definitely* need to use gmake on FreeBSD 4.2. I have: libtool-1.3.4_2 Generic shared library support script gcc-2.8.1 Latest and greatest version of the GNU compiler suite autoconf-2.13 Automatically configure source code on many Un*x platforms automake-1.4 GNU Standards-compliant Makefile generator gmake-3.79.1 GNU version of 'make' utility and any dependencies as my build environment. These are all in /usr/ports. Cheers, Jason. On Wednesday, April 25, 2001, at 05:42 am, Carsten Neumann wrote: > On Wed, 25 Apr 2001, Daniel V Klein wrote: >> I tried to build on BSDI 4.2, and it never made it past the first >> Makefile. >> Here's what I got, the error is at the very end. Any clues? The >> relevant >> makefile is attached. > > Where was it attached? :-) > > >> netatalk-1.5pre6 % make >> make all-recursive >> Making all in libatalk >> "Makefile", line 317: Need an operator >> Fatal errors encountered -- cannot continue >> *** Error code 1 >> >> Stop. >> *** Error code 1 >> >> Stop. > > What "make" do you use? > What I heard is that netatalk definitely needs GNU Make! > Try to get a recent version! > > You probably want to update your libtool, too!? > > Kind regards > > Carsten > From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Wed Apr 25 06:47:37 2001 Return-Path: Received: from kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.25]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id GAA06130 for ; Wed, 25 Apr 2001 06:47:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id GAA06064 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Wed, 25 Apr 2001 06:47:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id GAA06046 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Wed, 25 Apr 2001 06:47:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from popmail.space.net (popmail.Space.Net [195.30.0.14]) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with SMTP id GAA06011 for ; Wed, 25 Apr 2001 06:47:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 67001 invoked from network); 25 Apr 2001 10:47:33 -0000 Received: from gw-ea6.easi.de (HELO easi.de) (195.30.34.62) by popmail.space.net with SMTP; 25 Apr 2001 10:47:33 -0000 Received: from [192.168.1.214] (account lutz.michaelsen HELO easi.de) by easi.de (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 3.4.2) with ESMTP id 10777; Wed, 25 Apr 2001 12:53:54 +0200 Sender: lutz@easi.de Message-ID: <3AE6A96A.AB186146@easi.de> Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 12:39:38 +0200 From: Lutz Michaelsen Organization: EASi Engineering GmbH X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.3 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: nfs@lists.sourceforge.net, netatalk-admins@umich.edu Subject: Netatalk on Linux 2.2.18 NFS-Client / IRIX 6.5.3 NFS-Server Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dear All, I have at least on problem with NFS between IRIX and Linux NFS-Server: ----------- O200 - IRIX 6.5.3m (zeus) Octane - IRIX 6.5.10m (zenzi) /etc/exports => /net/home (no options) NFS-Client: ----------- Linux 2.2.18 (SuSE 7.1) /etc/fstab => zeus:/net/home /net/home nfs \ rw,bg,noac,rsize=8192,wsize=8192,udp,nfsvers=2 Linux 2.4.3 (SuSE 7.1) Kernel from www.kernel.org /etc/fstab => zenzi:/net/home /net/home nfs \ rw,bg,noac,rsize=8192,wsize=8192,udp,nfsvers=2 util-linux-2.10q-6 modutils-2.4.1-3 binutils-2.10.0.33-13 glibc-2.2-7 netatalk-1.4.99-5 samba-2.0.7-105 The problem: ------------ On linux some files on the nfs-share '/net/home' can NOT be seen using 'ls *'. With 'ls' I can see all files! This affects also Netatalk running on NFS-Client (linux), which serves the nfs-share '/net/home' to the macs. Files not be seen with 'ls *' can not be seen on macs, too. Samba works really fine on the nfs-share '/net/home'. Any ideas?? Best Regards, Lutz Michaelsen ------------------------------------------------------------- EASi-Engineering GmbH Tel. ++49 (0) 89 / 1407-9872 Pelkovenstr. 81-b Fax ++49 (0) 89 / 1407-9696 D-80992 Muenchen eMail mailto:lutz.michaelsen@easi.de Germany WWW http://www.easi.de From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Wed Apr 25 09:41:56 2001 Return-Path: Received: from easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.26]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id JAA10690 for ; Wed, 25 Apr 2001 09:41:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id JAA25045 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Wed, 25 Apr 2001 09:41:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id JAA25032 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Wed, 25 Apr 2001 09:41:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from latimer.mail.uk.easynet.net (latimer.mail.uk.easynet.net [195.40.1.40]) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id JAA24976 for ; Wed, 25 Apr 2001 09:41:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.network-analysis.ltd.uk (mail.network-analysis.ltd.uk [212.135.212.98]) by latimer.mail.uk.easynet.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 470FC53E51 for ; Wed, 25 Apr 2001 14:41:36 +0100 (BST) Received: by mail.network-analysis.ltd.uk (sendmail 8.11.3) with ESMTP id f3PDfWj26881; Wed, 25 Apr 2001 14:41:35 +0100 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: sw@mail.network-analysis.ltd.uk Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <987369845.13953.1.camel@comp10574.potsdam.edu> X-Mailer: Eudora Pro Organization: Network Analysis Ltd Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 14:41:31 +0100 To: netatalk-admins@umich.edu From: Sak Wathanasin Subject: Re:netatalk 1.5p6, OS X 10.0.1, OS 9... Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" In reply to Lorenzo Perone's message of the 25/04/2001 at 04:49 +0200, >only netatalk 1.4b2+asun2.1.4pre37_test (with -DUSE-FLOCK-LOCKS) >gives the impression to work with OSX (few errors, succesful >transfers...), but then causes sooner or later Darwin to panic. On >the other hand, my OS9 clients keep freezing and caughing with the >asun builds.... Well, I'm running RH7.0 (6.2 previously) and not SUSE but netatalk-1.4b2+asun2.1.4-pre39 runs 24 X 7 with no problems. It eeven works with OSX, though I haven't run that for any sustained period. I have a variety of Mac clients, mostly 9.1 but 8.1 and 7.6 as well. I have my servers mounted at startup and they stay mounted until I shutdown. I don't see any signs of "OS9 clients keep freezing and caughing" here, not because of netatalk anyway: when I poke around with Macsbug, I find that the culprit is usually IE5. -- Sak Wathanasin Network Analysis Limited 178 Wainbody Ave South, Coventry CV3 6BX, UK Internet: sw@network-analysis.ltd.uk Phone: (+44) 24 76 41 99 96 Mobile: (+44) 79 70 75 19 12 Fax: (+44) 24 76 69 06 90 From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Wed Apr 25 09:46:13 2001 Return-Path: Received: from kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.25]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id JAA10794 for ; Wed, 25 Apr 2001 09:46:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id JAA08276 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Wed, 25 Apr 2001 09:46:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id JAA08240 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Wed, 25 Apr 2001 09:46:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from jason05.u.washington.edu (jason05.u.washington.edu [140.142.8.54]) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id JAA08137 for ; Wed, 25 Apr 2001 09:46:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from homer30.u.washington.edu (cent@homer30.u.washington.edu [140.142.8.40]) by jason05.u.washington.edu (8.11.2+UW01.01/8.11.2+UW01.03) with ESMTP id f3PDk6P52246 for ; Wed, 25 Apr 2001 06:46:07 -0700 Received: from localhost (cent@localhost) by homer30.u.washington.edu (8.11.2+UW01.01/8.11.2+UW01.03) with ESMTP id f3PDk6f183040 for ; Wed, 25 Apr 2001 06:46:06 -0700 Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 06:46:06 -0700 (PDT) From: R Cent To: netatalk mailing list Subject: tracking logins Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hi, What is the best way to determine the last time a Mac user has logged into a linux server? Logging in through Netatalk does not record information that the "finger" command can show. Thanks. _____________________________ Bob Cent University of Washington Box 357330 Seattle, WA 98195-7330 mailto: cent@u.washington.edu voice: 206.543.1433 fax: 206.685.0305 _____________________________ From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Wed Apr 25 10:36:05 2001 Return-Path: Received: from easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.26]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id KAA13238 for ; Wed, 25 Apr 2001 10:36:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id KAA10482 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Wed, 25 Apr 2001 10:36:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id KAA10473 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Wed, 25 Apr 2001 10:36:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from despair.sowrong.org (syr-24-24-23-149.twcny.rr.com [24.24.23.149]) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id KAA10459 for ; Wed, 25 Apr 2001 10:36:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from cjc26@localhost) by despair.sowrong.org (8.11.0/8.11.0) id f3PEaxt25203; Wed, 25 Apr 2001 10:36:59 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 10:36:59 -0400 From: Cliff Crawford To: R Cent Cc: netatalk mailing list Subject: Re: tracking logins Message-ID: <20010425103659.D24966@cornell.edu> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: ; from cent@u.washington.edu on Wed, Apr 25, 2001 at 06:46:06AM -0700 * R Cent menulis: > > Hi, > > What is the best way to determine the last time a Mac user has > logged into a linux server? Logging in through Netatalk does > not record information that the "finger" command can show. > Thanks. Each login is recorded in /var/log/messages, and looks something like this: Apr 25 10:04:08 afpd[30447]: ASIP session:548(2) from :49155(0) Apr 25 10:04:08 afpd[30447]: dhx login: Apr 25 10:04:08 PAM_pwdb[30447]: (netatalk) session opened for user by (uid=0) Apr 25 10:04:08 afpd[30447]: login (uid 135, gid 111) (Where is the hostname of the linux server, is who logged in, and is the ip address of the mac they logged in from.) So you could write a perl script or something to grep /var/log/messages for the user in question. -- Cliff Crawford http://www.sowrong.org/ birthday party cheesecake jellybean BOOM From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Wed Apr 25 10:49:02 2001 Return-Path: Received: from kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.25]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id KAA14279 for ; Wed, 25 Apr 2001 10:49:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id KAA24222 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Wed, 25 Apr 2001 10:49:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id KAA24197 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Wed, 25 Apr 2001 10:49:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from jason05.u.washington.edu (jason05.u.washington.edu [140.142.8.54]) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id KAA24149 for ; Wed, 25 Apr 2001 10:49:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from homer30.u.washington.edu (cent@homer30.u.washington.edu [140.142.8.40]) by jason05.u.washington.edu (8.11.2+UW01.01/8.11.2+UW01.03) with ESMTP id f3PEmwP10274; Wed, 25 Apr 2001 07:48:58 -0700 Received: from localhost (cent@localhost) by homer30.u.washington.edu (8.11.2+UW01.01/8.11.2+UW01.03) with ESMTP id f3PEmuA17656; Wed, 25 Apr 2001 07:48:56 -0700 Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 07:48:55 -0700 (PDT) From: R Cent To: Cliff Crawford cc: netatalk mailing list Subject: Re: tracking logins In-Reply-To: <20010425103659.D24966@cornell.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > > What is the best way to determine the last time a Mac user has > > logged into a linux server? Logging in through Netatalk does > > not record information that the "finger" command can show. > > Thanks. > > Each login is recorded in /var/log/messages, and looks something like > this... Cliff, Thanks for the reply. I have examined the /var/log/messages, /var/log/messages1,..../var/log/messages4 on my server. Each contain a week's worth of logins. My server has been up for about 4 months yet I only have five weeks of log-in records. This doesn't help if I want to see if a user hasn't use his account with in several months. Does your system keep /var/log/messages farther back in time? _____________________________ Bob Cent University of Washington Box 357330 Seattle, WA 98195-7330 mailto: cent@u.washington.edu voice: 206.543.1433 fax: 206.685.0305 _____________________________ From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Wed Apr 25 11:11:51 2001 Return-Path: Received: from kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.25]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id LAA15690 for ; Wed, 25 Apr 2001 11:11:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id LAA05143 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Wed, 25 Apr 2001 11:11:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id LAA05124 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Wed, 25 Apr 2001 11:11:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from despair.sowrong.org (syr-24-24-23-149.twcny.rr.com [24.24.23.149]) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id LAA05095 for ; Wed, 25 Apr 2001 11:11:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from cjc26@localhost) by despair.sowrong.org (8.11.0/8.11.0) id f3PFCi225276; Wed, 25 Apr 2001 11:12:44 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 11:12:44 -0400 From: Cliff Crawford To: R Cent Cc: netatalk mailing list Subject: Re: tracking logins Message-ID: <20010425111244.F24966@cornell.edu> References: <20010425103659.D24966@cornell.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: ; from cent@u.washington.edu on Wed, Apr 25, 2001 at 07:48:55AM -0700 * R Cent menulis: > > Thanks for the reply. > > I have examined the /var/log/messages, > /var/log/messages1,..../var/log/messages4 on my server. Each > contain a week's worth of logins. My server has been up for > about 4 months yet I only have five weeks of log-in records. > This doesn't help if I want to see if a user hasn't use his > account with in several months. > > Does your system keep /var/log/messages farther back in time? No, but I haven't needed to go back that far yet :) The logs are rotated by a cron script, so you could just set it to do it monthly instead of weekly. -- Cliff Crawford http://www.sowrong.org/ birthday party cheesecake jellybean BOOM From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Wed Apr 25 11:19:46 2001 Return-Path: Received: from easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.26]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id LAA16152 for ; Wed, 25 Apr 2001 11:19:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id LAA10359 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Wed, 25 Apr 2001 11:19:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id LAA10342 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Wed, 25 Apr 2001 11:19:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mhub5.tc.umn.edu (mhub5.tc.umn.edu [160.94.218.235]) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id LAA10292 for ; Wed, 25 Apr 2001 11:19:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from garnet.tc.umn.edu by mhub5.tc.umn.edu with ESMTP for netatalk-admins@umich.edu; Wed, 25 Apr 2001 10:19:41 -0500 Received: from localhost by garnet.tc.umn.edu with ESMTP; Wed, 25 Apr 2001 10:19:41 -0500 Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 10:19:41 -0500 (CDT) From: Karen A Swanberg To: netatalk-devel@lists.sourceforge.net cc: netatalk-admins@umich.edu Subject: Re: .AppleDouble tests on OpenBSD (long...) In-Reply-To: Message-Id: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > From: andrew morgan > Subject: Re: .AppleDouble tests on OpenBSD (long...) > > > > -----Forwarded Message----- > > From: Karen A Swanberg > > To: netatalk-admins@umich.edu > > Subject: .AppleDouble tests on OpenBSD (long...) > > [chop, chop] > > > Apr 23 16:30:20 epidote afpd[25250]: setdirowner: chown 16777216/-1 > > .: Operation not permitted > > Apr 23 16:30:20 epidote afpd[25250]: setdirowner: chown -1/0 > > .AppleDouble/.Parent: Operation not permitted > > >From my investigations tonight (whew!), these are not really errors. > > Just to clarify what is happening above: > > These are all being triggered by calls to FPSetDirParms from the mac. It > passes a big structure full of permission bits, user and group ids, etc. [regretfully chopped lots of good stuff] > In the current code, when the chown fails, we call syslog at LOG_ERR > level. In the asun2.1.4 code, it called syslog at LOG_DEBUG level. In > both cases, no error was passed to the mac client because really, afpd > should deal with this operation properly or just ignore it. At the > LOG_DEBUG level, most users never saw the "error". > > Somewhere around revision 1.6 of etc/afpd/unix.c, someone changed the > LOG_ERR to LOG_DEBUG, apparently in the throes of adding dropkludge > support. If there was a valid reason for the change, please speak up. > Otherwise, we should change those back to LOG_DEBUG so we don't scare our > users. > > Andy So to clarify for the newbies, this breaks down to "This isn't a problem?" We just need to tell our sysloggers to ignore it? Are the errors catagorized as something like afpd.error or something similar that we can configure our syslogs to ignore? I don't want to miss other errors, or have my console window so full of this information that I miss others. If and when the change is made in the CVS, will someone post here, so I can test that new version? Great to hear that this isn't a problem. I've been drooling to let my users at this fileserver for awhile, and this was the last stumbling block. Don't worry, I'll tell them it's still in testing. Thanks, -Karen * * Karen Swanberg | Network Admin. | Error: Sector not found-- Dept. of Geology/Geophysics |search behind couch? (Y/N) 206 Pillsbury Hall | 310 Pillsbury Ave. SE | Old geeks never die, University of Mn | They just revert Minneapolis, MN 55455 | to cleartext. (612) 624-6541 | * * From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Wed Apr 25 11:20:19 2001 Return-Path: Received: from kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.25]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id LAA16209 for ; Wed, 25 Apr 2001 11:20:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id LAA20749 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Wed, 25 Apr 2001 11:20:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id LAA20720 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Wed, 25 Apr 2001 11:20:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.id-inc.com ([208.186.174.81]) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id LAA20610 for ; Wed, 25 Apr 2001 11:20:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [192.168.94.68] (192.168.94.68) by mail.id-inc.com with ESMTP (Eudora Internet Mail Server 3.0); Wed, 25 Apr 2001 08:20:24 -0700 User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 08:20:25 -0700 Subject: Re: tracking logins From: charlie wood To: R Cent , Cliff Crawford CC: netatalk mailing list Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Something to try to help weed through the log file: grep '[client_IP_address]' /var/log/messages > seek.txt will search the syslog files for the quoted string and burp it all into a file called 'seek.txt', which you can then search more reasonably. you could also try using 'afpd' or 'atalkd' as your string. -------original message------- > From: R Cent > Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 07:48:55 -0700 (PDT) > To: Cliff Crawford > Cc: netatalk mailing list > Subject: Re: tracking logins > Resent-From: netatalk-admins@umich.edu > Resent-Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 10:53:12 -0400 (EDT) > > > Cliff, > > Thanks for the reply. > > I have examined the /var/log/messages, > /var/log/messages1,..../var/log/messages4 on my server. Each > contain a week's worth of logins. My server has been up for > about 4 months yet I only have five weeks of log-in records. > This doesn't help if I want to see if a user hasn't use his > account with in several months. > > Does your system keep /var/log/messages farther back in time? From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Wed Apr 25 11:55:55 2001 Return-Path: Received: from kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.25]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id LAA17811 for ; Wed, 25 Apr 2001 11:55:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id LAA17353 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Wed, 25 Apr 2001 11:55:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id LAA17349 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Wed, 25 Apr 2001 11:55:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.euc.de (mail.euc.de [195.63.193.18]) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id LAA17313 for ; Wed, 25 Apr 2001 11:55:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from euc.de (euc-punktum.euc.de [195.63.193.116]) by mail.euc.de (8.9.3/8.9.3/SuSE Linux 8.9.3-0.1) with ESMTP id RAA05620 for ; Wed, 25 Apr 2001 17:50:47 +0200 Message-ID: <3AE6F259.7B26867D@euc.de> Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 17:50:50 +0200 From: Mac Conin Organization: EUC Online Service GmbH X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "netatalk-admins@umich.edu" Subject: one apple volume and different users Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hmm, Does that work? one apple volume and several users accessing this volume. how do I get differnt trashs for each user for that volume? at the moment only the first user who put something into the trash is capable of using the trash. each following action from other users causing the error (something like that): 'you can't put files into the trash. You can delete the files directlly' this drives me nuts best regards ----------------------------------------------------------- Mac Conin EUC Online Service GmbH mconin@euc.de D 50676 Koeln http://www.euc.de tel : +49-221-923 27 33 fax : +49-221-239 651 ----------------------------------------------------------- From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Wed Apr 25 12:07:10 2001 Return-Path: Received: from funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.27]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id MAA18198 for ; Wed, 25 Apr 2001 12:07:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id MAA04532 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Wed, 25 Apr 2001 12:07:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id MAA04505 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Wed, 25 Apr 2001 12:07:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bowman.scf.orst.edu (bowman.SCF.ORST.EDU [128.193.161.87]) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id MAA04378 for ; Wed, 25 Apr 2001 12:06:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (morgan@localhost) by bowman.scf.orst.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA24276; Wed, 25 Apr 2001 09:07:02 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: bowman.scf.orst.edu: morgan owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 09:07:01 -0700 (PDT) From: andrew morgan X-Sender: To: Karen A Swanberg cc: , Subject: Re: [Netatalk-devel] Re: .AppleDouble tests on OpenBSD (long...) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 25 Apr 2001, Karen A Swanberg wrote: > So to clarify for the newbies, this breaks down to "This isn't a > problem?" We just need to tell our sysloggers to ignore it? Are the errors > catagorized as something like afpd.error or something similar that we can > configure our syslogs to ignore? I don't want to miss other errors, or > have my console window so full of this information that I miss others. If > and when the change is made in the CVS, will someone post here, so I can > test that new version? > > Great to hear that this isn't a problem. I've been drooling to let my > users at this fileserver for awhile, and this was the last stumbling > block. Don't worry, I'll tell them it's still in testing. I've made the change in CVS since nobody squawked about it. Give it a whirl. Andy From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Wed Apr 25 12:16:13 2001 Return-Path: Received: from easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.26]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id MAA18564 for ; Wed, 25 Apr 2001 12:16:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id MAA00120 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Wed, 25 Apr 2001 12:16:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id MAA00109 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Wed, 25 Apr 2001 12:16:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.id-inc.com ([208.186.174.81]) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id MAA00081 for ; Wed, 25 Apr 2001 12:16:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [192.168.94.68] (192.168.94.68) by mail.id-inc.com with ESMTP (Eudora Internet Mail Server 3.0); Wed, 25 Apr 2001 09:16:21 -0700 User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 09:16:22 -0700 Subject: Re: one apple volume and different users From: charlie wood To: Mac Conin , "netatalk-admins@umich.edu" Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <3AE6F259.7B26867D@euc.de> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit I had a similar problem. Fixed it thusly: chmod 2775 /home/Projects/Network Trash Folder where /home/Projects/ is the path to the server volume. eh? _____________________________ Charlie Wood ID, Incorporated 1620 SW Taylor St Suite 100 Portland, OR 97205 {v} 503-223-7737 {f} 503-223-2719 {e} charlie@id-inc.com {w} http://www.id-inc.com -------original message------- > From: Mac Conin > Organization: EUC Online Service GmbH > Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 17:50:50 +0200 > To: "netatalk-admins@umich.edu" > Subject: one apple volume and different users > Resent-From: netatalk-admins@umich.edu > Resent-Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 12:00:56 -0400 (EDT) > > Hmm, > > > Does that work? > > one apple volume and several users accessing this volume. > how do I get differnt trashs for each user for that volume? > > at the moment only the first user who put something into the > trash is capable of using the trash. each following action > from other users causing the error (something like that): > 'you can't put files into the trash. You can delete the files directlly' > > this drives me nuts > > best regards > ----------------------------------------------------------- > Mac Conin EUC Online Service GmbH > mconin@euc.de D 50676 Koeln > http://www.euc.de > tel : +49-221-923 27 33 fax : +49-221-239 651 > ----------------------------------------------------------- > From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Wed Apr 25 13:00:21 2001 Return-Path: Received: from funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.27]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id NAA19988 for ; Wed, 25 Apr 2001 13:00:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id NAA28177 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Wed, 25 Apr 2001 13:00:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id NAA28164 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Wed, 25 Apr 2001 13:00:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.euc.de (mail.euc.de [195.63.193.18]) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id NAA28122 for ; Wed, 25 Apr 2001 13:00:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from euc.de (euc-punktum.euc.de [195.63.193.116]) by mail.euc.de (8.9.3/8.9.3/SuSE Linux 8.9.3-0.1) with ESMTP id SAA06117; Wed, 25 Apr 2001 18:55:17 +0200 Message-ID: <3AE70177.3117DA50@euc.de> Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 18:55:19 +0200 From: Mac Conin Organization: EUC Online Service GmbH X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: charlie wood CC: "netatalk-admins@umich.edu" Subject: Re: one apple volume and different users References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu id NAA19988 nope afpd creates a directory Trash Can #2 and only this. It doesn' matter how I set the rights (I guess). shouldn't be there other directories ą la Trash Can #5 or whatever? If it's a permission problem who sould be the owner of the Network Trash Folder? charlie wood wrote: > > I had a similar problem. > Fixed it thusly: > chmod 2775 /home/Projects/Network Trash Folder > > where /home/Projects/ is the path to the server volume. > > eh? > > > > _____________________________ > Charlie Wood > ID, Incorporated > 1620 SW Taylor St Suite 100 > Portland, OR 97205 > {v} 503-223-7737 {f} 503-223-2719 > {e} charlie@id-inc.com {w} http://www.id-inc.com > > -------original message------- > > > From: Mac Conin > > Organization: EUC Online Service GmbH > > Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 17:50:50 +0200 > > To: "netatalk-admins@umich.edu" > > Subject: one apple volume and different users > > Resent-From: netatalk-admins@umich.edu > > Resent-Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 12:00:56 -0400 (EDT) > > > > Hmm, > > > > > > Does that work? > > > > one apple volume and several users accessing this volume. > > how do I get differnt trashs for each user for that volume? > > > > at the moment only the first user who put something into the > > trash is capable of using the trash. each following action > > from other users causing the error (something like that): > > 'you can't put files into the trash. You can delete the files directlly' > > > > this drives me nuts -- --schnipp-- mit freundlichen grüssen ----------------------------------------------------------- Mac Conin EUC Online Service GmbH mconin@euc.de D 50676 Koeln http://www.euc.de tel : +49-221-923 27 33 fax : +49-221-239 651 ----------------------------------------------------------- From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Wed Apr 25 14:09:28 2001 Return-Path: Received: from kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.25]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id OAA22465 for ; Wed, 25 Apr 2001 14:09:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id OAA27457 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Wed, 25 Apr 2001 14:09:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id OAA27431 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Wed, 25 Apr 2001 14:09:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rgrjr.dyndns.org (h0050da615e79.ne.mediaone.net [24.218.161.12]) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with SMTP id OAA27361 for ; Wed, 25 Apr 2001 14:09:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 9093 invoked by uid 500); 25 Apr 2001 18:09:15 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <15079.4811.728409.337032@h0050da615e79.ne.mediaone.net> Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 14:09:15 -0400 From: Bob Rogers To: Jason Quigley Cc: netatalk-admins@umich.edu Subject: Re: Bug in build 1.5pre6 on 4.2 BSDI In-Reply-To: <200104251033.f3PAXCZ51171@vulcan.borgspace.alpha> References: <01042505500900.26852@athlet> <200104251033.f3PAXCZ51171@vulcan.borgspace.alpha> X-Mailer: VM 6.89 under Emacs 20.7.1 From: Jason Quigley Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 12:37:34 +0200 Hi! You *definitely* need to use gmake on FreeBSD 4.2. I have: libtool-1.3.4_2 Generic shared library support script gcc-2.8.1 Latest and greatest version of the GNU compiler suite autoconf-2.13 Automatically configure source code on many Un*x platforms automake-1.4 GNU Standards-compliant Makefile generator gmake-3.79.1 GNU version of 'make' utility and any dependencies as my build environment. These are all in /usr/ports. Cheers, Jason. I seem to recall that the only absolute requirement to install netatalk is GNU make (and maybe gcc). The others (plus m4) should only be needed for development. True? -- Bob Rogers From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Wed Apr 25 14:51:09 2001 Return-Path: Received: from kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.25]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id OAA24800 for ; Wed, 25 Apr 2001 14:51:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id OAA05291 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Wed, 25 Apr 2001 14:51:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id OAA05269 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Wed, 25 Apr 2001 14:51:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mhub7.tc.umn.edu (mhub7.tc.umn.edu [160.94.151.218]) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id OAA05230 for ; Wed, 25 Apr 2001 14:51:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from garnet.tc.umn.edu by mhub7.tc.umn.edu with ESMTP for netatalk-admins@umich.edu; Wed, 25 Apr 2001 13:51:06 -0500 Received: from localhost by garnet.tc.umn.edu with ESMTP for netatalk-admins@umich.edu; Wed, 25 Apr 2001 13:51:06 -0500 Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 13:51:06 -0500 (CDT) From: Karen A Swanberg To: netatalk-admins@umich.edu Subject: newbie CVS question Message-Id: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I've CVS'ed the current tree (the changelog includes the .AppleDouble and tcp_wrappers changes), but my local cvs tree doesn't contain the configure executable. Did I mess up my CVS configuration, or am I missing something pretty basic, here? This time I just used $ cvs update, so perhaps my initial checkout of the tree was done incorrectly? $ cvs login (Logging in to anonymous@cvs.netatalk.sourceforge.net) CVS Password: $ cvs update or $ cvs get netatalk don't do it either. I don't see the config file on the sourceforge "browse cvs tree" page either. This will be my first real (as opposed to playing) usage of cvs, so if I'm missing something really basic, I apologize. I keep the tarball version of 1.5pre6 in a different location, so I can swap between them. Sincerely, -Karen * * Karen Swanberg | Network Admin. | Error: Sector not found-- Dept. of Geology/Geophysics |search behind couch? (Y/N) 206 Pillsbury Hall | 310 Pillsbury Ave. SE | Old geeks never die, University of Mn | They just revert Minneapolis, MN 55455 | to cleartext. (612) 624-6541 | * * From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Wed Apr 25 15:04:17 2001 Return-Path: Received: from easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.26]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id PAA25395 for ; Wed, 25 Apr 2001 15:04:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id PAA15959 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Wed, 25 Apr 2001 15:04:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id PAA15940 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Wed, 25 Apr 2001 15:04:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from univrel.pr.uconn.edu (univrel.pr.uconn.edu [137.99.59.30]) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id PAA15910 for ; Wed, 25 Apr 2001 15:04:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from univrel.pr.uconn.edu (test.pr.uconn.edu [137.99.59.90]) by univrel.pr.uconn.edu (8.11.2/linuxconf) with ESMTP id f3PJ4Dn10595; Wed, 25 Apr 2001 15:04:13 -0400 Sender: root@univrel.pr.uconn.edu Message-ID: <3AE71F9F.C7BE2AA5@univrel.pr.uconn.edu> Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 15:03:59 -0400 From: jeff X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.17-21mdksmp i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Karen A Swanberg CC: netatalk-admins@umich.edu Subject: Re: newbie CVS question References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Karen A Swanberg wrote: > > I've CVS'ed the current tree (the changelog includes the .AppleDouble and > tcp_wrappers changes), but my local cvs tree doesn't contain the configure > executable. Did I mess up my CVS configuration, or am I missing something > pretty basic, here? This time I just used $ cvs update, so perhaps my > initial checkout of the tree was done incorrectly? > > $ cvs login > (Logging in to anonymous@cvs.netatalk.sourceforge.net) > CVS Password: > $ cvs update > or > $ cvs get netatalk > > don't do it either. > > I don't see the config file on the sourceforge "browse cvs tree" page > either. > > This will be my first real (as opposed to playing) usage of cvs, so if I'm > missing something really basic, I apologize. > > I keep the tarball version of 1.5pre6 in a different location, so I can > swap between them. Run the ./autogen.sh script to generate ./configure. jeff From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Wed Apr 25 15:09:42 2001 Return-Path: Received: from kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.25]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id PAA25965 for ; Wed, 25 Apr 2001 15:09:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id PAA07335 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Wed, 25 Apr 2001 15:09:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id PAA07321 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Wed, 25 Apr 2001 15:09:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rgrjr.dyndns.org (h0050da615e79.ne.mediaone.net [24.218.161.12]) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with SMTP id PAA07283 for ; Wed, 25 Apr 2001 15:09:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 9149 invoked by uid 500); 25 Apr 2001 19:09:33 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="pYjZ5ywy3E" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <15079.8429.327689.101282@h0050da615e79.ne.mediaone.net> Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 15:09:33 -0400 From: Bob Rogers To: Karen A Swanberg Cc: netatalk-admins@umich.edu Subject: newbie CVS question In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: VM 6.89 under Emacs 20.7.1 --pYjZ5ywy3E Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Description: message body text Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Karen A Swanberg Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 13:51:06 -0500 (CDT) I've CVS'ed the current tree (the changelog includes the .AppleDouble and tcp_wrappers changes), but my local cvs tree doesn't contain the configure executable. Did I mess up my CVS configuration, or am I missing something pretty basic, here? This time I just used $ cvs update, so perhaps my initial checkout of the tree was done incorrectly? So *you* need the stuff mentioned by Jason Quigley (see attached). Once you have it all installed, do the following to build the ./configure script: aclocal autoheader automake --add-missing autoconf (And yes, this is basic, but I only just learned it myself. ;-} Corrections welcome, of course.) -- Bob Rogers --pYjZ5ywy3E Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Description: forwarded message Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Return-Path: Delivered-To: rogers-netatalk@rgrjr.dyndns.org Received: (qmail 9109 invoked from network); 25 Apr 2001 18:15:03 -0000 Received: from terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (141.213.231.10) by h0050da615e79.ne.mediaone.net with SMTP; 25 Apr 2001 18:15:03 -0000 Received: (from slist@localhost) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) id OAA22478; Wed, 25 Apr 2001 14:09:29 -0400 (EDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <15079.4811.728409.337032@h0050da615e79.ne.mediaone.net> In-Reply-To: <200104251033.f3PAXCZ51171@vulcan.borgspace.alpha> References: <01042505500900.26852@athlet> <200104251033.f3PAXCZ51171@vulcan.borgspace.alpha> X-Mailer: VM 6.89 under Emacs 20.7.1 X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4460 X-Loop: netatalk-admins@umich.edu Precedence: list Resent-Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 14:09:29 -0400 (EDT) Resent-Message-ID: <6c6PQC.A.JfF.ZLx56@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu> Resent-From: netatalk-admins@umich.edu Resent-Sender: netatalk-admins-request@umich.edu From: Bob Rogers To: Jason Quigley Cc: netatalk-admins@umich.edu Subject: Re: Bug in build 1.5pre6 on 4.2 BSDI Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 14:09:15 -0400 From: Jason Quigley Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 12:37:34 +0200 Hi! You *definitely* need to use gmake on FreeBSD 4.2. I have: libtool-1.3.4_2 Generic shared library support script gcc-2.8.1 Latest and greatest version of the GNU compiler suite autoconf-2.13 Automatically configure source code on many Un*x platforms automake-1.4 GNU Standards-compliant Makefile generator gmake-3.79.1 GNU version of 'make' utility and any dependencies as my build environment. These are all in /usr/ports. Cheers, Jason. I seem to recall that the only absolute requirement to install netatalk is GNU make (and maybe gcc). The others (plus m4) should only be needed for development. True? -- Bob Rogers --pYjZ5ywy3E-- From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Wed Apr 25 16:13:33 2001 Return-Path: Received: from kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.25]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id QAA28129 for ; Wed, 25 Apr 2001 16:13:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id QAA26355 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Wed, 25 Apr 2001 16:13:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id QAA26329 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Wed, 25 Apr 2001 16:13:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.euc.de (mail.euc.de [195.63.193.18]) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id QAA26278 for ; Wed, 25 Apr 2001 16:13:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from euc.de (euc-punktum.euc.de [195.63.193.116]) by mail.euc.de (8.9.3/8.9.3/SuSE Linux 8.9.3-0.1) with ESMTP id WAA07187; Wed, 25 Apr 2001 22:08:28 +0200 Message-ID: <3AE72EBF.92E8D882@euc.de> Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 22:08:30 +0200 From: Mac Conin Organization: EUC Online Service GmbH X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: charlie wood , "netatalk-admins@umich.edu" Subject: Re: one apple volume and different users References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu id QAA28129 ok it looks now like drwxrwsrwx 19 mconin users 4096 Apr 25 20:51 . drwxrwxrwx 21 mconin users 4096 Apr 25 00:00 .. drwxrwsr-x 23 other2 users 4096 Apr 21 16:13 .AppleDesktop drwxrwsr-x 2 other users 4096 Apr 25 20:51 .AppleDouble drwxrwsr-x 4 mconin users 4096 Mär 7 08:16 directory drwxrwsr-x 4 mconin users 4096 Apr 25 20:50 Network Trash Folder and within the Trash folder drwxrwsr-x 4 mconin users 4096 Apr 25 20:50 . drwxrwsrwx 19 mconin users 4096 Apr 25 20:51 .. drwxrwsr-x 2 mconin users 4096 Apr 25 20:39 .AppleDouble drwxrwsr-x 3 mconin users 4096 Apr 25 20:51 Trash Can #2 -rw-rw-r-- 1 other users 0 Apr 25 20:39 Trash Can Usage Map for my first testings it _seems_ that now different users can place files into the trash. but also it _seems_ that every user is capable of taking files out of the bin (the trash). I don't think this is really worth to mention while the files are already shared - but anyway.. I can live with that. If we wouldn't work with Xpress (and its mechanism of stamping im ages as modified), I would prefer to place a symbolic link in each users home directory pointing to the share, giv'em an own .AppleVolumes definition and everythings would be fine. As a programmer it couldn't be much hassle to generate a 'Trash Can#user' while the user enters the volume. charlie wood wrote: > > The Network Trash Folder (on my server) is created at the root level of the > shared volume, and everyone has permissions to do what is needed to anything > inside the shared volume directory. > > More clearly: > > My shared volume is: > > /home/Projects/ > > here's an ls -la of that folder (for security, the actual project names have > been renamed to "Project A): > > drwxr-xr-x 19 root users 4096 Apr 18 11:19 . > drwxr-xr-x 12 root root 4096 Apr 9 16:24 .. > drwxrwsr-x 16 cameronm users 4096 Mar 29 16:14 Project A > drwxrwsr-x 7 allisonb users 4096 Jan 25 11:11 Project A > drwxrwsr-x 8 charlie users 4096 Jan 11 11:01 Project A > drwxrwsr-x 13 sharic users 4096 Apr 23 11:43 Project A > drwxrwsr-x 3 charlie users 4096 Feb 13 14:38 Project A > drwxrwsr-x 10 allisonb users 4096 Apr 9 09:16 Project A > drwxrwsr-x 6 jen users 4096 Apr 23 14:16 Project A > drwxrwsr-x 5 allisonb users 4096 Apr 18 10:30 Project A > drwxrwsr-x 9 allisonb users 4096 Apr 24 13:29 Project A > drwxrwsr-x 3 allisonb users 4096 Mar 30 13:17 Project A > drwxrwsr-x 3 allisonb users 4096 Mar 30 13:17 Project A > drwxrwsr-x 5 allisonb users 4096 Apr 23 14:32 Project A > drwxrwsr-x 3 allisonb users 4096 Apr 19 11:52 Project A > drwxrwsr-x 6 allisonb users 4096 Apr 23 13:28 Network Trash Folder > drwxrwsr-x 6 allisonb users 4096 Apr 10 22:50 Project A > drwxrwsr-x 3 allisonb users 4096 Nov 14 16:43 > TheVolumeSettingsFolder > drwxrwsr-x 4 allisonb users 4096 Apr 12 12:25 Project A > > Notice the permissions settings for everything. The user bit is on, because > the permissions for the parent directory (/home/Projects/) also has the same > permission setting. Therefore everything inside it gets the same permissions > as the parent, thereby eliminating the need to monkey with individual > permissions all the time. As long as a user is in the group, they can do > whatever they want in the folder. This includes the Trash Folder, and the > Volume Settings folder. Both of the latter are important for individual Mac > users, and the way that they can interact with the files. > > I have not run across the multiple trash cans on my server so perhaps I'm > not answering your specific question very well :-) > > What version of netatalk are you using? Perhaps what is being called Trash > Can #2 is, in fact the same directory as Network Trash Folder. Try the > permissions experiment I just mentioned as see if that works. > > > > -------original message------- > > > From: Mac Conin > > Organization: EUC Online Service GmbH > > Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 18:55:19 +0200 > > To: charlie wood > > Cc: "netatalk-admins@umich.edu" > > Subject: Re: one apple volume and different users > > Resent-From: netatalk-admins@umich.edu > > Resent-Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 13:01:56 -0400 (EDT) > > > > nope > > > > afpd creates a directory Trash Can #2 and only this. > > It doesn' matter how I set the rights (I guess). > > > > shouldn't be there other directories ą la Trash Can #5 or whatever? > > > > If it's a permission problem who sould be the owner of the Network Trash > > Folder? > > > > > > charlie wood wrote: > >> > >> I had a similar problem. > >> Fixed it thusly: > >> chmod 2775 /home/Projects/Network Trash Folder > >> > >> where /home/Projects/ is the path to the server volume. > >> > >> eh? > >> > >> > >> > >> _____________________________ > >> Charlie Wood > >> ID, Incorporated > >> 1620 SW Taylor St Suite 100 > >> Portland, OR 97205 > >> {v} 503-223-7737 {f} 503-223-2719 > >> {e} charlie@id-inc.com {w} http://www.id-inc.com > >> > >> -------original message------- > >> > >>> From: Mac Conin > >>> Organization: EUC Online Service GmbH > >>> Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 17:50:50 +0200 > >>> To: "netatalk-admins@umich.edu" > >>> Subject: one apple volume and different users > >>> Resent-From: netatalk-admins@umich.edu > >>> Resent-Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 12:00:56 -0400 (EDT) > >>> > >>> Hmm, > >>> > >>> > >>> Does that work? > >>> > >>> one apple volume and several users accessing this volume. > >>> how do I get differnt trashs for each user for that volume? > >>> > >>> at the moment only the first user who put something into the > >>> trash is capable of using the trash. each following action > >>> from other users causing the error (something like that): > >>> 'you can't put files into the trash. You can delete the files directlly' > >>> > >>> this drives me nuts > > > > -- > > --schnipp-- > > > > mit freundlichen grüssen > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------- > > Mac Conin EUC Online Service GmbH > > mconin@euc.de D 50676 Koeln > > http://www.euc.de > > tel : +49-221-923 27 33 fax : +49-221-239 651 > > ----------------------------------------------------------- > > -- --schnipp-- mit freundlichen grüssen ----------------------------------------------------------- Mac Conin EUC Online Service GmbH Geschäftsführer Taubengasse 9 mconin@euc.de D 50676 Koeln http://www.euc.de HRB Köln 32038 tel : +49-221-923 27 33 fax : +49-221-239 651 ----------------------------------------------------------- EUC sponsort Clean up Cologne - eine Iniative der IHK Köln, der Abfallwirtschaftsbetriebe Köln (AWB) und dem Grünflächenamt der Stadt Köln. http://www.clean-up-cologne.de From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Wed Apr 25 18:18:40 2001 Return-Path: Received: from kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.25]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id SAA03274 for ; Wed, 25 Apr 2001 18:18:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id SAA27630 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Wed, 25 Apr 2001 18:18:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id SAA27610 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Wed, 25 Apr 2001 18:18:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mhub7.tc.umn.edu (mhub7.tc.umn.edu [160.94.151.218]) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id SAA27575 for ; Wed, 25 Apr 2001 18:18:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from garnet.tc.umn.edu by mhub7.tc.umn.edu with ESMTP for netatalk-admins@umich.edu; Wed, 25 Apr 2001 17:18:37 -0500 Received: from localhost by garnet.tc.umn.edu with ESMTP for netatalk-admins@umich.edu; Wed, 25 Apr 2001 17:18:36 -0500 Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 17:18:36 -0500 (CDT) From: Karen A Swanberg To: netatalk-admins@umich.edu Subject: Re: newbie CVS question In-Reply-To: <15079.8429.327689.101282@h0050da615e79.ne.mediaone.net> Message-Id: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII on 04/25/01, Bob Rogers wisely declared: > > So *you* need the stuff mentioned by Jason Quigley (see attached). Once > you have it all installed, do the following to build the ./configure > script: > > aclocal > autoheader > automake --add-missing > autoconf > > (And yes, this is basic, but I only just learned it myself. ;-} > Corrections welcome, of course.) Thanks for the pointers. However, this isn't working with my config. Errors everywhere, due to differing directory structures, I believe (I'm on OpenBSD 2.8). I already have all of the tools mentioned above and in INSTALL.txt for developers. Is there someone who would be willing to help me through this off-list? Or should I move it to netatalk-dev? If I get up and running as a legit tester, I promise to write documentation. Seriously. -Karen * * Karen Swanberg | Network Admin. | Error: Sector not found-- Dept. of Geology/Geophysics |search behind couch? (Y/N) 206 Pillsbury Hall | 310 Pillsbury Ave. SE | Old geeks never die, University of Mn | They just revert Minneapolis, MN 55455 | to cleartext. (612) 624-6541 | * * From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Thu Apr 26 11:20:18 2001 Return-Path: Received: from kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.25]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id LAA04965 for ; Thu, 26 Apr 2001 11:20:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id LAA19899 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Thu, 26 Apr 2001 11:20:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id LAA19878 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Thu, 26 Apr 2001 11:20:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from local (customer-host-145.yellowspace.net [213.183.5.145]) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with SMTP id LAA19802 for ; Thu, 26 Apr 2001 11:20:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [213.183.5.146] ([213.183.5.146] verified) by local (Stalker SMTP Server 1.7) with ESMTP id S.0000067917; Thu, 26 Apr 2001 17:15:21 +0200 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: lopez.on.the.lists@mail.yellowspace.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <987369845.13953.1.camel@comp10574.potsdam.edu> Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 17:16:51 +0200 To: Sak Wathanasin From: Lorenzo Perone Subject: Re:netatalk 1.5p6, OS X 10.0.1, OS 9... Cc: netatalk-admins@umich.edu Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 14:41 Uhr +0100 25.04.2001, Sak Wathanasin wrote: >In reply to Lorenzo Perone's message of the 25/04/2001 at 04:49 +0200, > >>only netatalk 1.4b2+asun2.1.4pre37_test (with -DUSE-FLOCK-LOCKS) gives the impression to work with OSX (few errors, succesful transfers...), but then causes sooner or later Darwin to panic. On the other hand, my OS9 clients keep freezing and caughing with the asun builds.... > >Well, I'm running RH7.0 (6.2 previously) and not SUSE but netatalk-1.4b2+asun2.1.4-pre39 runs 24 X 7 with no problems. It eeven works with OSX, though I haven't run that for any sustained period. I have a variety of Mac clients, mostly 9.1 but 8.1 and 7.6 as well. I have my servers mounted at startup and they stay mounted until I shutdown. I don't see any signs of "OS9 clients keep freezing and caughing" here, not because of netatalk anyway: when I poke around with Macsbug, I find that the culprit is usually IE5. Good hint, thanx (IE). How to do without it, anyway....(?)... M$ seems to like to make the macs look even more unstable than they would be without all those M$ extensions and apps... Dunno, but by 'caughing' I mean problems in the 'realworld use'. i.e. opening, saving, moving... especially writing to volumes. Would You try pre39 from OSX for some more time (like editing a file in pshop, saving, copying a big file tree to the server and back)? I could trigger the panic on 10.0.1/pre37/SuSE6.3 quite reliably by alt-dragging (ie duplicating) files on the server itself (into a different dir). Note - we have 2771 on those dirs and 0660 on files (if that can be relevant somehow). I'm not saying that the 1.5 tree doesn't have any problems (and I've been swearing at this tree _much_ more than at asuns when confing & compiling), but it feels like it's getting smoother, and it looks quite a bit faster with the 'new did'. BUT I'd immediately try post-pre37s if someone could confirm that there is really a way to make it work with OSX without panics (again: sometimes it takes some time b4 they happen...) BTW: I've seen OSX going lightning fast over netatalk+asun2.1.4-pre37test - especially in things like folder listings. Rescanning a site in golive is a charm.... Unfortunately only in the short moments before darwin panics... (which it seems to do most when writing, rather than reading) :..-( :-) Lorenzo From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Thu Apr 26 15:25:12 2001 Return-Path: Received: from easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.26]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id PAA14047 for ; Thu, 26 Apr 2001 15:25:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id PAA04818 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Thu, 26 Apr 2001 15:25:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id PAA04798 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Thu, 26 Apr 2001 15:25:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailoff.mtu.edu (mailoff.mtu.edu [141.219.70.111]) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id PAA04758 for ; Thu, 26 Apr 2001 15:25:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.mtu.edu (campus4.mtu.edu [141.219.70.7]) by mailoff.mtu.edu (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id f3QJP9X28340 for ; Thu, 26 Apr 2001 15:25:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from twix.mm.mtu.edu (twix.mm.mtu.edu [141.219.66.37]) by mail.mtu.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA07070 for ; Thu, 26 Apr 2001 15:25:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from valkyrie.mm.mtu.edu (valkyrie.mm.mtu.edu [141.219.66.67]) by twix.mm.mtu.edu (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3/mturelay-2.0b) with ESMTP id PAA12192 for ; Thu, 26 Apr 2001 15:25:02 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 15:23:19 -0400 (EDT) From: "Dave (Grizz) Glaser" X-Sender: dsglaser@valkyrie.mm.mtu.edu To: netatalk-admins@umich.edu Subject: Netatalk FrameMaker Problems Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I have been running netatalk on a Solaris 6 Ultra 5 box. (version netatalk-1.4b2+asun2.1.3) It was running fine, but we were having the standard Error -50 problems. We upgraded our NFS server and have been having some problems: Now Netatalk is on a Solaris 8 Ultra 60 box. The version is netatalk-1.4b2+asun2.1.4. Since I have installed it, we have been having problems with Frame Maker. If you open a document and try to save it, an error saying that "Some document specific settings could not be saved. All changes were saved. US English Interface." Also, if you close the program and it tries to save you get the same message as well as one saying the someone else may be modifying the file (no one is). It then will not let you log off unless you click 'Don't save'. Frame seems to be the only program causing problems. I believe it has something to do with locking files. (the .lck is made, but I don't beieve it is working correctly). Has anyone seen this problem? Dave David S. Glaser AKA Grizz | M&M Systems Administrator | Forget virus scanning. Its all about "re- U201 M&ME Building | education". Preferably in a parking lot with Houghton, MI 49931 | a tire iron. - BOFH dsglaser@mtu.edu | From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Thu Apr 26 15:43:46 2001 Return-Path: Received: from kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.25]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id PAA14660 for ; Thu, 26 Apr 2001 15:43:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id PAA25271 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Thu, 26 Apr 2001 15:43:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id PAA25257 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Thu, 26 Apr 2001 15:43:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from potsdam.edu (potsdam.edu [137.143.110.101]) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with SMTP id PAA25201 for ; Thu, 26 Apr 2001 15:43:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 6059 invoked by alias); 26 Apr 2001 19:43:41 -0000 Received: (qmail 6044 invoked by uid 0); 26 Apr 2001 19:43:40 -0000 Received: from comp10574.potsdam.edu (137.143.111.133) by potsdam.edu with SMTP; 26 Apr 2001 19:43:40 -0000 Subject: Re: Netatalk FrameMaker Problems From: Matthew Keller To: Dave "\(Grizz\)" Glaser Cc: netatalk-admins@umich.edu In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain X-Mailer: Evolution/0.10 (Preview Release) Date: 26 Apr 2001 15:43:30 -0400 Message-Id: <988314210.851.3.camel@comp10574.potsdam.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 If these files reside accross an NFS boundry from the Netatalk server, you may have to disable NFS locking. On 26 Apr 2001 15:23:19 -0400, Dave (Grizz) Glaser wrote: > I have been running netatalk on a Solaris 6 Ultra 5 box. (version netatalk-1.4b2+asun2.1.3) It was running fine, but we were having the standard Error -50 problems. We upgraded our NFS server and have been having some problems: > > Now Netatalk is on a Solaris 8 Ultra 60 box. The version is netatalk-1.4b2+asun2.1.4. Since I have installed it, we have been having problems with Frame Maker. If you open a document and try to save it, an error saying that "Some document specific settings could not be saved. All changes were saved. US English Interface." Also, if you close the program and it tries to save you get the same message as well as one saying the someone else may be modifying the file (no one is). It then will not let you log off unless you click 'Don't save'. Frame seems to be the only program causing problems. > > I believe it has something to do with locking files. (the .lck is made, but I don't beieve it is working correctly). > > Has anyone seen this problem? -- Matthew Keller Enterprise System Analyst Computing & Technology Services Information Services Division State University of NY at Potsdam Potsdam, NY USA http://mattwork.potsdam.edu/ From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Thu Apr 26 15:45:59 2001 Return-Path: Received: from funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.27]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id PAA14718 for ; Thu, 26 Apr 2001 15:45:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id PAA08987 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Thu, 26 Apr 2001 15:45:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id PAA08951 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Thu, 26 Apr 2001 15:45:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailoff.mtu.edu (mailoff.mtu.edu [141.219.70.111]) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id PAA08895 for ; Thu, 26 Apr 2001 15:45:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.mtu.edu (campus4.mtu.edu [141.219.70.7]) by mailoff.mtu.edu (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id f3QJjoX29953; Thu, 26 Apr 2001 15:45:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from twix.mm.mtu.edu (twix.mm.mtu.edu [141.219.66.37]) by mail.mtu.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA14225; Thu, 26 Apr 2001 15:45:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from valkyrie.mm.mtu.edu (valkyrie.mm.mtu.edu [141.219.66.67]) by twix.mm.mtu.edu (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3/mturelay-2.0b) with ESMTP id PAA12695; Thu, 26 Apr 2001 15:45:48 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 15:44:05 -0400 (EDT) From: "Dave (Grizz) Glaser" X-Sender: dsglaser@valkyrie.mm.mtu.edu To: Matthew Keller cc: netatalk-admins@umich.edu Subject: Re: Netatalk FrameMaker Problems In-Reply-To: <988314210.851.3.camel@comp10574.potsdam.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Nope, these files are on the same machine. Dave On 26 Apr 2001, Matthew Keller wrote: > > If these files reside accross an NFS boundry from the Netatalk > server, you may have to disable NFS locking. > > On 26 Apr 2001 15:23:19 -0400, Dave (Grizz) Glaser wrote: > > I have been running netatalk on a Solaris 6 Ultra 5 box. (version netatalk-1.4b2+asun2.1.3) It was running fine, but we were having the standard Error -50 problems. We upgraded our NFS server and have been having some problems: > > > > Now Netatalk is on a Solaris 8 Ultra 60 box. The version is netatalk-1.4b2+asun2.1.4. Since I have installed it, we have been having problems with Frame Maker. If you open a document and try to save it, an error saying that "Some document specific settings could not be saved. All changes were saved. US English Interface." Also, if you close the program and it tries to save you get the same message as well as one saying the someone else may be modifying the file (no one is). It then will not let you log off unless you click 'Don't save'. Frame seems to be the only program causing problems. > > > > I believe it has something to do with locking files. (the .lck is made, but I don't beieve it is working correctly). > > > > Has anyone seen this problem? > > > -- > > Matthew Keller > Enterprise System Analyst > Computing & Technology Services > Information Services Division > State University of NY at Potsdam > Potsdam, NY USA > > http://mattwork.potsdam.edu/ > David S. Glaser AKA Grizz | M&M Systems Administrator | Forget virus scanning. Its all about "re- U201 M&ME Building | education". Preferably in a parking lot with Houghton, MI 49931 | a tire iron. - BOFH dsglaser@mtu.edu | From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Thu Apr 26 18:43:05 2001 Return-Path: Received: from kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.25]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id SAA22350 for ; Thu, 26 Apr 2001 18:43:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id SAA22375 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Thu, 26 Apr 2001 18:43:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id SAA22357 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Thu, 26 Apr 2001 18:43:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from itadmin.com (stgdi6-213-023-028-251.arcor-ip.net [213.23.28.251]) by kingcreole.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id SAA22312 for ; Thu, 26 Apr 2001 18:43:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from marlin.itadmin.com ([192.168.1.1]) by itadmin.com with esmtp (Exim 3.13) id 14suTB-00026O-00; Fri, 27 Apr 2001 00:42:41 +0200 Received: from wahoo ([192.168.1.3]) by marlin.itadmin.com with esmtp (Exim 3.13) id 14suT1-0000qW-00; Fri, 27 Apr 2001 00:42:32 +0200 Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2001 00:42:39 +0200 From: Thorsten Biel To: "Dave (Grizz) Glaser" , netatalk-admins@umich.edu Subject: Re: Netatalk FrameMaker Problems Message-ID: <458420.3197320959@[192.168.1.3]> In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Mulberry/2.0.8 (MacOS) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline yes, here! :) Same version of netatalk, Solaris 8 (64bit), local disk. The clients are running MacOS 9.0.4 or 9.1. The error is sporadic, I can save several documents without any problems. But once I get the error, the only thing that helps is saving the document to the Mac's disk, quitting Frame and using the Finder to copy the document over to the Sun. I haven't been able to correlate any netatalk error messages to the problem. Seeing that I can copy the document over the net via Finder, it must be something Frame-specific. It does seem as if it has something to do with the lock files; sometimes they keep piling up instead of getting deleted by Frame on exit. I'm no netatalk expert, but I'd be willing to help any way I can. -Thorsten --On Thursday, April 26, 2001 15:23 -0400 "Dave (Grizz) Glaser" wrote: > Now Netatalk is on a Solaris 8 Ultra 60 box. The version is > netatalk-1.4b2+asun2.1.4. Since I have installed it, we have been having > problems with Frame Maker. If you open a document and try to save it, an > error saying that "Some document specific settings could not be saved. > All changes were saved. US English Interface." Also, if you close the > program and it tries to save you get the same message as well as one > saying the someone else may be modifying the file (no one is). It then > will not let you log off unless you click 'Don't save'. Frame seems to be > the only program causing problems. > > I believe it has something to do with locking files. (the .lck > is made, but I don't beieve it is working correctly). > > Has anyone seen this problem? > > Dave -- Thorsten Biel T.Biel@ITadmin.com www.ITadmin.com - keep IT under control ITadmin GmbH Waldeckstr. 6 D-74372 Sersheim Germany mobile: +49 171 9516717 Tel. +49 7042 960640 Fax +49 7042 960641 From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Thu Apr 26 19:35:14 2001 Return-Path: Received: from easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.26]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id TAA24858 for ; Thu, 26 Apr 2001 19:35:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id TAA15362 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Thu, 26 Apr 2001 19:35:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id TAA15345 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Thu, 26 Apr 2001 19:35:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from clever.visp-europe.psi.com (clever.visp-europe.psi.com [212.222.105.4]) by easycomeeasygo.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id TAA15310 for ; Thu, 26 Apr 2001 19:35:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ns09-n66-250.de.inter.net ([213.73.66.250] helo=athlet.deltaman.de) by clever.visp-europe.psi.com with esmtp (Exim 3.22 #1) id 14svHy-00036h-00 for netatalk-admins@umich.edu; Fri, 27 Apr 2001 01:35:11 +0200 Received: from athlet (root@athlet.deltaman.de [192.168.1.1]) by athlet.deltaman.de (8.9.3/8.9.3/SuSE Linux 8.9.3-0.1) with SMTP id BAA00561 for ; Fri, 27 Apr 2001 01:33:30 +0200 From: Carsten Neumann Reply-To: deltor@snafu.de To: netatalk-admins@umich.edu Subject: Re: tracking logins Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2001 01:13:42 +0200 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.0.28] Content-Type: text/plain References: <20010425103659.D24966@cornell.edu> <20010425111244.F24966@cornell.edu> In-Reply-To: <20010425111244.F24966@cornell.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <01042701332900.00483@athlet> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu id TAA24858 On Wed, 25 Apr 2001, Cliff Crawford wrote: > * R Cent menulis: > > > > Thanks for the reply. > > > > I have examined the /var/log/messages, > > /var/log/messages1,..../var/log/messages4 on my server. Each > > contain a week's worth of logins. My server has been up for > > about 4 months yet I only have five weeks of log-in records. > > This doesn't help if I want to see if a user hasn't use his > > account with in several months. > > > > Does your system keep /var/log/messages farther back in time? > > No, but I haven't needed to go back that far yet :) The logs are > rotated by a cron script, so you could just set it to do it monthly > instead of weekly. SuSE has an interesting log backup mechanism: In a cron.daily script several log files are checked if they reached a given size. If so they are backed-up to -.gz files. They exist until you delete them. The pathnames, max. sizes, etc. are defined in /etc/logfiles. I kept all logfiles since I installed linux onto my box. So I have all log information for over one year accessible. Kind regards Carsten From netatalk.administrators-errors@umich.edu Fri Apr 27 06:31:04 2001 Return-Path: Received: from funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.27]) by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.0+) with ESMTP id GAA14184 for ; Fri, 27 Apr 2001 06:31:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id GAA11838 for netatalk-admins@terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu; Fri, 27 Apr 2001 06:30:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with X.500 id GAA11829 for netatalk.administrators-members@umich.edu; Fri, 27 Apr 2001 06:30:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sj.com (dipsy.sj.com [62.96.248.15]) by funinacapulco.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.1u) with ESMTP id GAA11787 for ; Fri, 27 Apr 2001 06:30:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [172.16.172.241] ([172.16.172.241] verified) by sj.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 3.3.2) with ESMTP id 4311784 for netatalk-admins@umich.edu; Fri, 27 Apr 2001 12:31:00 +0200 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: rose@mailhost.i.sj.com Message-Id: Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2001 12:30:59 +0200 To: netatalk-admins From: Axel Rose Subject: 8bit chars, no refresh Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by terminator.rsug.itd.umich.edu id GAA14184 Hello, I posted two support requests on sourceforge but got no responses until now. May I repeat them here on the mailing list: -1- no Finder refresh after Unix move after moving a file by a Unix script to a shared volume it will not become visible if the volume is already opened in the Finder. If otoh I close cmd-w the volume and reopen the moved file is visible immediately. scenario: pap print lpd is configured with :if=